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I'm totally confused. Whats all this about touching between the shoulder

blades and bending your fingers back and touching the tops of your hands? I

can do both and have always just thought I was double jointed. What else

could this mean. I went to the Marfan's Syndrom link but no page I clicked

on would come up. So now I am really concerned and wonder what may be wrong.

What exactly is Marfan's Syndrom?

 

Arizona

 

> Yes, I can put my hands between my shoulder blades very easily. I do

> remember someone saying that was odd. I can also bend my fingers WAY back,

> almost touching the backs of my hands. Thanks for the link! My PE was

> really bad, way worse than the one shown. I had one inch from sternum to

> spine...

> Sindea

> driving Geoff nuts since 1994...

>

 

 

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Sindea,

Thanks for the clarification. I do have many of the symptoms but not

all. I am short and not thin so I guess I have nothing to worry about.

Arizona

>

> Sorry to confuse you. The bending of fingers really far and such has to do

> with the connective tissue relationship... below is the info I found...

> It took the death of an Olympian to spotlight what was then a little-known

> disease: Marfan's Syndrome. A three-time All-American and college standout,

> Flo Hyman was the most influential women's volleyball player. In 1980, when

> the U. S. boycotted the games, she was a spokeswoman for athletes and met

> with Jimmy Carter. At the 1984 games in Los Angeles, the 31-year-old

> athlete was the oldest female competing, and the 6-foot, 5-inch Hyman led

> her team to a silver medal. She turned pro and played in Japan; but in

> 1986, as she took her seat on the bench during a routine rotation and

> cheered her teammates, she collapsed and died at the age of 33. The disease

> also claimed the lives of two University of Maryland basketball players,

> Owen Brown and Chris Patton, who died on the court. Roger Scott Blumenthal

> M.D., director of the Henry Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Heart

> disease at the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, explains what Marfan's

> Syndrome is, and why it is so dangerous.

>

> InteliHealth: What is Marfan's Syndrome?

> Dr. Blumenthal: It's an abnormality involving connective tissue. People

> with Marfan's Syndrome are more likely to develop enlargement of the aorta,

> the main blood vessel leading from the heart to the rest of the body. It's

> a genetic abnormality, and it's a dominant trait; if either of two parents

> has it, then it's highly likely the child will have it. It occurs in one

> out of every 10,000 people, and it occurs equally among males and females.

> Approximately 5 percent of cases are new mutations, that is, they show up

> in individuals with no family history of Marfan's. Several basketball

> players have had it; and Flo Hyman, the Olympic volleyball player, died

> from it.

>

> IH: What are the symptoms?

> Dr. Blumenthal: The individuals who have it are quite tall and thin. They

> may have deformities of the chest. They have long, spindly fingers, and

> they may have a high arched palate. They have flat feet without an arch,

> and they have flexible joints. They may have scoliosis - their backbone may

> zigzag a bit. It affects the eye, and individuals with Marfan's may develop

> retinal detachment or corneal flattening. Sometimes people who don't know

> they have Marfan's Syndrome first see their doctor because they are

> experiencing difficulty with their vision; and that can lead to a referral

> to a cardiologist for an echocardiogram. Cardiovascular complications occur

> in 30 to 60 percent of the cases. Often Marfan's is associated with mitral

> valve prolapse. The symptoms and signs can be subtle, or they may be more

> pronounced. Physicians will hear a click or a murmur when they listen to a

> heart. An echocardiogram is used to measure the aorta for signs of

> enlargement.

>

> IH: Does it make them better athletes, or are they just tall?

> Dr. Blumenthal: They're often just very tall - but height is an advantage

> in basketball and volleyball. People who have it range from average height

> to seven feet tall.

>

> IH: Why is it so dangerous?

> Dr. Blumenthal: If the aorta continues to enlarge and thin, it can be

> life-threatening. The aorta can tear, and the aortic valve also can develop

> leakiness. One study of 72 patients found that the average age of death was

> 32. That's why when you hear about prominent athletes who die suddenly,

> they often have Marfan's Syndrome.

>

> IH: Can it be treated?

> Dr. Blumenthal: One treatment strategy is to use beta blockers. You also

> can do an aortic valve replacement. It's a matter of judgment about when to

> do surgery to replace the aortic valve. It's important to give genetic

> counseling to individuals, too, since the offspring have a 50 percent

> chance of having it.

>

> IH: If you know you have it, is it safe to play sports?

> Dr. Blumenthal: That's always a big question. Some doctors will allow a

> youngster to play sports as long as the aorta is below a certain size, and

> they watch it with echocardiograms. But if it enlarges, then they restrict

> physical activity. Whenever the aorta starts to dilate or get bigger, then

> doctors recommend no sports. Exercise may tend to stretch the aorta even

> more.

>

> IH: Is this something that the Olympic doctors know about?

> Dr. Blumenthal: Doctors are very aware of it and look for signs of Marfan's

> Syndrome. A number of college basketball programs now have physicals that

> include echocardiograms.

>

> IH: I've heard that Abe Lincoln might have had this? Do you think that's

> true?

> Dr. Blumenthal: There's a long list of people who suspect that. There's no

> way to know for sure, but he certainly was taller than the average person

> of his day, and the physical descriptions of him fit the characteristics of

> Marfan's syndrome.

>

> Copyright The Johns Hopkins University, 1998. All rights reserved. This

> interview is not intended to provide advice on personal medical matters,

> nor is it intended to be a substitute for consultation with a physician.

>

 

 

Arizona Hughes

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http://members.aol.com/artistdesigner/Arizona_Hughes/Page_1x.html

 

 

 

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Well, I had my dr's appt today. Although she gave me some things to worry

about, I felt it was a good visit. All my blood work was normal and very good so

far. She was highly impressed with my HDL counts she says. She is running extra

tests to check all my hormone levels and for candida antibodies. She found a

cyst under my tongue which she says is rare, and I am getting it checked out.

She thinks it is probably just a cyst, but wants to be sure.

 

Well, she says I have many of the marker's for Marfan's syndrome, so I go for an

exhocardiogram next week. Do you all know anything about it? I had my pectus

excavatum fixed 8 yrs ago, have the heart irregularities (those anxiety attack

feelings), have long skinny fingers, am pretty tall and somehwat thin, have a

wandering eye... I guess these are all markers and it is hereditary. Does

anyone have any knowledge in this at all? Thanks!

Sindea

driving Geoff nuts since 1994...

 

family site:

http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html

Business sites:

www.sindea.net

http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html

 

 

 

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" sindea.horste " wrote:

 

> Well, she says I have many of the marker's for Marfan's syndrome, so I go for

an exhocardiogram next week. Do you all know anything about it? I had my

pectus excavatum fixed 8 yrs ago, have the heart irregularities (those anxiety

attack feelings), have long skinny fingers, am pretty tall and somehwat thin,

have a wandering eye... I guess these are all markers and it is hereditary.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this at all? Thanks!

 

Hmm...I've heard of vitamin K deficiency being mentioned with connective tissue

disorders. Can you put your hands up behind your back? (another sign of

connective tissue disorder <g>) (I have a mild vitamin K deficiency -- I can

put my hands up behind my shoulder blades, and didn't know this wasn't normal

btw, and the skin on my belly was very stretched out from pregnancy,

unfortunately... :/ )

 

See this lady's site for info:

http://www.mindspring.com/~sandysimmons/links.html#pectus

 

Mindy

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Yes, I can put my hands between my shoulder blades very easily. I do remember

someone saying that was odd. I can also bend my fingers WAY back, almost

touching the backs of my hands. Thanks for the link! My PE was really bad, way

worse than the one shown. I had one inch from sternum to spine...

Sindea

driving Geoff nuts since 1994...

 

family site:

http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html

Business sites:

www.sindea.net

http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html

 

Hmm...I've heard of vitamin K deficiency being mentioned with connective

tissue disorders. Can you put your hands up behind your back? (another sign of

connective tissue disorder <g>) (I have a mild vitamin K deficiency -- I can

put my hands up behind my shoulder blades, and didn't know this wasn't normal

btw, and the skin on my belly was very stretched out from pregnancy,

unfortunately... :/ )

 

See this lady's site for info:

http://www.mindspring.com/~sandysimmons/links.html#pectus

 

Mindy

 

 

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Sorry to confuse you. The bending of fingers really far and such has to do with

the connective tissue relationship... below is the info I found...

It took the death of an Olympian to spotlight what was then a little-known

disease: Marfan's Syndrome. A three-time All-American and college standout, Flo

Hyman was the most influential women's volleyball player. In 1980, when the U.

S. boycotted the games, she was a spokeswoman for athletes and met with Jimmy

Carter. At the 1984 games in Los Angeles, the 31-year-old athlete was the oldest

female competing, and the 6-foot, 5-inch Hyman led her team to a silver medal.

She turned pro and played in Japan; but in 1986, as she took her seat on the

bench during a routine rotation and cheered her teammates, she collapsed and

died at the age of 33. The disease also claimed the lives of two University of

Maryland basketball players, Owen Brown and Chris Patton, who died on the court.

Roger Scott Blumenthal M.D., director of the Henry Ciccarone Center for the

Prevention of Heart disease at the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, explains

what Marfan's Syndrome is, and why it is so dangerous.

 

InteliHealth: What is Marfan's Syndrome?

Dr. Blumenthal: It's an abnormality involving connective tissue. People with

Marfan's Syndrome are more likely to develop enlargement of the aorta, the main

blood vessel leading from the heart to the rest of the body. It's a genetic

abnormality, and it's a dominant trait; if either of two parents has it, then

it's highly likely the child will have it. It occurs in one out of every 10,000

people, and it occurs equally among males and females. Approximately 5 percent

of cases are new mutations, that is, they show up in individuals with no family

history of Marfan's. Several basketball players have had it; and Flo Hyman, the

Olympic volleyball player, died from it.

 

IH: What are the symptoms?

Dr. Blumenthal: The individuals who have it are quite tall and thin. They may

have deformities of the chest. They have long, spindly fingers, and they may

have a high arched palate. They have flat feet without an arch, and they have

flexible joints. They may have scoliosis - their backbone may zigzag a bit. It

affects the eye, and individuals with Marfan's may develop retinal detachment or

corneal flattening. Sometimes people who don't know they have Marfan's Syndrome

first see their doctor because they are experiencing difficulty with their

vision; and that can lead to a referral to a cardiologist for an echocardiogram.

Cardiovascular complications occur in 30 to 60 percent of the cases. Often

Marfan's is associated with mitral valve prolapse. The symptoms and signs can be

subtle, or they may be more pronounced. Physicians will hear a click or a murmur

when they listen to a heart. An echocardiogram is used to measure the aorta for

signs of enlargement.

 

IH: Does it make them better athletes, or are they just tall?

Dr. Blumenthal: They're often just very tall - but height is an advantage in

basketball and volleyball. People who have it range from average height to seven

feet tall.

 

IH: Why is it so dangerous?

Dr. Blumenthal: If the aorta continues to enlarge and thin, it can be

life-threatening. The aorta can tear, and the aortic valve also can develop

leakiness. One study of 72 patients found that the average age of death was 32.

That's why when you hear about prominent athletes who die suddenly, they often

have Marfan's Syndrome.

 

IH: Can it be treated?

Dr. Blumenthal: One treatment strategy is to use beta blockers. You also can do

an aortic valve replacement. It's a matter of judgment about when to do surgery

to replace the aortic valve. It's important to give genetic counseling to

individuals, too, since the offspring have a 50 percent chance of having it.

 

IH: If you know you have it, is it safe to play sports?

Dr. Blumenthal: That's always a big question. Some doctors will allow a

youngster to play sports as long as the aorta is below a certain size, and they

watch it with echocardiograms. But if it enlarges, then they restrict physical

activity. Whenever the aorta starts to dilate or get bigger, then doctors

recommend no sports. Exercise may tend to stretch the aorta even more.

 

IH: Is this something that the Olympic doctors know about?

Dr. Blumenthal: Doctors are very aware of it and look for signs of Marfan's

Syndrome. A number of college basketball programs now have physicals that

include echocardiograms.

 

IH: I've heard that Abe Lincoln might have had this? Do you think that's true?

Dr. Blumenthal: There's a long list of people who suspect that. There's no way

to know for sure, but he certainly was taller than the average person of his

day, and the physical descriptions of him fit the characteristics of Marfan's

syndrome.

 

Copyright The Johns Hopkins University, 1998. All rights reserved. This

interview is not intended to provide advice on personal medical matters, nor is

it intended to be a substitute for consultation with a physician.

 

 

Sindea

driving Geoff nuts since 1994...

 

family site:

http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html

Business sites:

www.sindea.net

http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html

 

I'm totally confused. Whats all this about touching between the shoulder

blades and bending your fingers back and touching the tops of your hands? I

can do both and have always just thought I was double jointed. What else

could this mean. I went to the Marfan's Syndrom link but no page I clicked

on would come up. So now I am really concerned and wonder what may be wrong.

What exactly is Marfan's Syndrom?

 

Arizona

 

 

 

 

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Glad I could help! It is a combination of things for me- the extreme pectus

excavatum, being tall and thin (really skinny before kids), flexible fingers,

wandering eye, mitral valve prolapse... Just found this though (makes me feel

better, <g>):

Unlike most genetic anomalies, Marfan's does not adversely affect intelligence.

On the contrary, people with this anomaly are often bright and charismatic.

Abraham Lincoln, Rachmaninoff, Niccolo Paganini, and Mary Queen of Scots are

among those thought to have had Marfan's Syndrome

Sindea

driving Geoff nuts since 1994...

 

family site:

http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html

Business sites:

www.sindea.net

http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html

 

 

Sindea,

Thanks for the clarification. I do have many of the symptoms but not

all. I am short and not thin so I guess I have nothing to worry about.

Arizona

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for that site. I do have those symptoms and have wondered for years

why my joints and hip and skin were always so tender....all my life they have

been that way. I will continue to research it though before I bring it up to

my doctor, who by now, thinks I am a nut case.

Arizona

 

> There's also Ehlers-Danos syndrome, which also has the flexible

> fingers/joints thing, but not necessarily tall & skinny...

> http://www.ednf.org for more info (personally I think it may be related to

> liver problems on account of not being able to process the skin & joint

> vitamins (E, A,

> K, D) but I dunno!!!)

>

> Mindy

 

 

Arizona Hughes

Please stop by and visit my Website listed below

http://members.aol.com/artistdesigner/Arizona_Hughes/Page_1x.html

 

 

 

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" sindea.horste " wrote:

 

> Glad I could help! It is a combination of things for me- the extreme pectus

excavatum, being tall and thin (really skinny before kids), flexible fingers,

wandering eye, mitral valve prolapse... Just found this though (makes me feel

better, <g>):

 

There's also Ehlers-Danos syndrome, which also has the flexible fingers/joints

thing, but not necessarily tall & skinny... http://www.ednf.org for more info

(personally I think it may be related to liver problems on account of not being

able to process the skin & joint vitamins (E, A,

K, D) but I dunno!!!)

 

Mindy

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