Hydrogenation Procedures

[Guest guest]

Hydrogenated Transfats

 

The process of hydrogenation makes terrifying reading:

 

1. Vegetable oil is mixed thoroughly with fine particles of nickel or copper.

2.It is heated to approximately 400 degrees F. and held at that temperature for

six hours.

3. Meanwhile, hydrogen gas is pumped through the mixture at high pressure and

the excited hydrogen atoms penetrate the vegetable oil molecules and chemically

change them into " transfats " (transfatty acids). These are new, complex

substances which are not found in nature, except at low levels in some animal

fats.

4. This mixture must be kept very hot--if it cools down the whole production

line will get clogged.

5. The mixture is then cooled down to form tiny hard plastic-like beads, known

as hydrogenated oil.

6. The beads of hydrogenated oil are mixed with liquid oil and heated up again

to a high temperature. When this cools, you have margarine.

 

(Reproduced with kind permission from " Now You Can say Goodbye to Hydrogenated

Fats (1994), a leaflet supplied by Whole Earth Foods.)

Because these transfats are not natural in such high levels and have a

plastic-like quality, your body has great difficulty in trying to eliminate or

utilize them. Your body is then put under extra pressure simply to deal with a

substance that you do not really need to eat.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/12/01 19:38:00 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

I know this is late but I have been poorly with cough/cold/flu virus again

(2nd time in 3 weeks and cannot shift the cough - any advice please would be

most gratefully received).

 

I found this to be very informative and really quite frightening - I

purchased organic butter earlier this week and will not have anything else

from now on. Thank you so much for the information.

Marianne

 

> Hydrogenated Transfats

>

> The process of hydrogenation makes terrifying reading:

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh Marianne,

It's never too late to switch. Info like this makes your hair

stand on end doesn't it? I was appalled when I first read this in a

natural healing book,(it has been out of print for years now). My

daughterinlaw found me a copy online.

The countries of Germany and Netherlands have outlawed the

substances and banned them from their store shelves. Really wish that

our government agencies were as helpful!! The FDA is far behind their

European counterparts or is special interests playing a part?

Hmmm...just guessing, but seems that they are. Why else would we

still be in the dark about this.

Anyway, I'm sure these fats are a factor in your illness. When I

stopped eating them my heart problems ceased. Well,not overnight, but

the whole case scenario started to improve right about then. We have

to get the word out to all those who are still suffering. You would

not believe how angry I became when I found out. I realized then I

was the victim of false advertising...for about 80% of my diet was

comprised of transfats in retrospect!

Hugs and Best Wishes for your recovery!

JoAnn

 

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joguest

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marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 13/12/01 19:38:00 GMT Standard Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> I know this is late but I have been poorly with cough/cold/flu

virus again

> (2nd time in 3 weeks and cannot shift the cough - any advice please

would be

> most gratefully received).

>

> I found this to be very informative and really quite frightening -

I

> purchased organic butter earlier this week and will not have

anything else

> from now on. Thank you so much for the information.

> Marianne

>

> > Hydrogenated Transfats

> >

> > The process of hydrogenation makes terrifying reading:

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 17/12/01 06:44:18 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

What is really scarey is that I have been purchasing at great expense,

Benecol - because I was told that it would reduce my cholesterol and

improve/reduce my risk of heart problems...........

Marianne

 

> It's never too late to switch. Info like this makes your hair

> stand on end doesn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

And there are millions of people buying those no fat chips that are toxic.

Donna

In a message dated 01/17/12 8:47:23 AM, marianne2406 writes:

 

<<

What is really scarey is that I have been purchasing at great expense,

Benecol - because I was told that it would reduce my cholesterol and

improve/reduce my risk of heart problems...........

Marianne

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 17/12/01 13:48:33 GMT Standard Time, dfnewman

writes:

 

maybe its fortunate that I love the ones that have the most fat

then.............

Marianne

 

> And there are millions of people buying those no fat chips that are toxic.

> Donna

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 17/12/01 15:44:27 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

Dear JoAnn - I thank God that I found out about this group in time - I would

never have had all your/the groups wonderful knowledge to hand and be able to

change my ways before it was too late - thank goodness for kefir is all I can

say - that is how I started on my first group.

 

I now only use butter (mainly organic) and extra virgin olive oil and will

always check to ensure that anything I buy is not made with hydrogenated fat.

It is so bad that they allow these products to keep being produced.

 

I will have to start baking all my own goods again - I used to when the

children were small because it was cheaper and easier than trying to keep

shop purchased goods fresh. I do not like mayonnaise so will not have that

worry.

 

I will be very wary of pizza in future because it is what sets off my

gallstone problem and creates the most horrendous pain - just as well really

isn't it.

 

Marianne

>

> Scarey, yes! Close to five years ago I had a similar experience

> with Promise margarine, which is also espoused as *healthy* by media

> ads. They have taken great strides to advertise Benecol as healthy,

> even including celebrities such as Regis in their ads. Nothing could

> be farther from the truth as you can see by the label for

> hydrogenated on the label denotes the procedure that I mentioned

> earlier. Any thinking individual should note that process is not

> healthy!

> Well, I thank God you found out in time. supplements help but

> these transfats need to be cut out of the diet before the supplements

> can help to any extent.

> That's why I have reverted to making my own baked goods, etc. It

> is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats have

> to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my weakness)

> and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned that

> the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

> Well, pizza also has tons of transfats, we learned that the

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

JoAnn Guest wrote:

 

>

> Because these transfats are not natural in such high levels and have a

plastic-like quality, your body has great difficulty in trying to eliminate or

utilize them. Your body is then put under extra pressure simply to deal with a

substance that you do not really need to eat.

>

 

Unbelievable... And yes, it is truly shocking that they put this in

Benecol. My parents, who are normally very health-conscious, had some Benecol

at their house and I about fell over in shock when I read the label ingredients

and saw that there was hydrogenated oil in it. Question, are there any Medline

abstracts on hydrogenated oils and heart troubles (i.e. medical " proof " ?). Not

saying I don't believe that there is a connection, but I'd like something in my

hand to show to people....

 

Mindy

[Guest guest]

--- Marianne,

Scarey, yes! Close to five years ago I had a similar experience

with Promise margarine, which is also espoused as *healthy* by media

ads. They have taken great strides to advertise Benecol as healthy,

even including celebrities such as Regis in their ads. Nothing could

be farther from the truth as you can see by the label for

hydrogenated on the label denotes the procedure that I mentioned

earlier. Any thinking individual should note that process is not

healthy!

Well, I thank God you found out in time. supplements help but

these transfats need to be cut out of the diet before the supplements

can help to any extent.

That's why I have reverted to making my own baked goods, etc. It

is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats have

to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my weakness)

and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned that

the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

Well, pizza also has tons of transfats, we learned that the hard

way. :-)

 

Cheers, Jo

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

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http://canceranswer.homestead.com/Goodfoods.html

 

 

marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 17/12/01 06:44:18 GMT Standard Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> What is really scarey is that I have been purchasing at great

expense,

> Benecol - because I was told that it would reduce my cholesterol

and

> improve/reduce my risk of heart problems...........

> Marianne

>

> > It's never too late to switch. Info like this makes your hair

> > stand on end doesn't it?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I assume you're referring to Olean? They are worse!

 

dfnewman@a... wrote:

> And there are millions of people buying those no fat chips that are

toxic.

> Donna

> In a message dated 01/17/12 8:47:23 AM, marianne2406@a... writes:

>

> <<

> What is really scarey is that I have been purchasing at great

expense,

> Benecol - because I was told that it would reduce my cholesterol

and

> improve/reduce my risk of heart problems...........

> Marianne

> >>

[Guest guest]

mrsjoguest wrote:

 

> It

> is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats have

> to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my weakness)

> and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned that

> the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

 

Soybean oil? Really? Is that because it's hydrogenated, or...???

 

Mindy, who has seen lots of items listing " soybean oil " as an ingredient...

:/

[Guest guest]

Mindy,

Hmmm...who knows? Besides the manufacturer, that is! :-) We are

being hoodwinked, don't you think? Think of the dollars that are

being paid out in medical bills just b/c of insufficient labeling! I

just know that when I switched to Spectrum Organic Mayo, my heart

starting beating very regularly and very normally again and my chest

pains ceased and my life started to get back to normal again! :-)))))

We both know that Canola is not a healthy choice, so why should

soybean oil be, when the majority of all the soybean oils in the U.S.

are Genetically Modified as are the Soybeans (unless you are careful

to get non-GMO. I hadn't a clue that any transfats were in there and

kept right on with them after dropping the margarines and baked

goods. Little did I know! A friend alerted me concerning the

transfats/GMO soybean oil in grocery store mayo. The least they can

do is provide us with a healthy alternative. Don't see that coing

anytime soon. So I guess my tuna sandwiches will have to be put on

hold for the time being, b/c I don't especially relish Nayonnaise. LOL

 

Hugs, Jo

P.S. You have to even watch the mayo in the health food stores at the

moment. Most of it is made with GMO Canola oil (rapeseed oil)listed

in my previous post in the archives. Very denigrating...can't really

think of anything to describe it. <grin>

Spectrum is the ONLY manufacturer of healthy mayo that I am aware of.

http://www.spectrumnaturals.com

God Bless them in their efforts!!!

 

 

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> mrsjoguest wrote:

>

> > It

> > is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats

have

> > to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my

weakness)

> > and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned

that

> > the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

>

> Soybean oil? Really? Is that because it's hydrogenated, or...???

>

> Mindy, who has seen lots of items listing " soybean oil " as an

ingredient...

> :/

[Guest guest]

Actually, *no*!! if they're hydrogenated... made with shortening or

lard. Kettle chips are better than most, they are phasing out

Genetically engineered ingredients here in the states. Michael

Seasons and Garden of Eatin are quite tasty, totally organic and

yummy! marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 17/12/01 13:48:33 GMT Standard Time,

dfnewman@a...

> writes:

>

> maybe its fortunate that I love the ones that have the most fat

> then.............

> Marianne

>

> > And there are millions of people buying those no fat chips that

are toxic.

> > Donna

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marianne,

Happy to help in any way I can. ;-)

Yes, b/c cholesterol is a factor with the pizza. Wasn't aware that

cholesterol was a factor in gallstones as you said earlier. I can see

how pizza would only makes matters worse. Wouldn't it be nice if

ingredients came in the box? If we only knew what that crust

contained!

Ignorance is bliss?

 

JoAnn

P.S. Amy's Kitchen makes a good organic pizza here in the States.

It is also possible to make your own with E.V.Olive Oil. *S*

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

 

 

marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 17/12/01 15:44:27 GMT Standard Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> Dear JoAnn - I thank God that I found out about this group in time -

I would

> never have had all your/the groups wonderful knowledge to hand and

be able to

> change my ways before it was too late - thank goodness for kefir is

all I can

> say - that is how I started on my first group.

>

> I now only use butter (mainly organic) and extra virgin olive oil

and will

> always check to ensure that anything I buy is not made with

hydrogenated fat.

> It is so bad that they allow these products to keep being produced.

>

> I will have to start baking all my own goods again - I used to when

the

> children were small because it was cheaper and easier than trying

to keep

> shop purchased goods fresh. I do not like mayonnaise so will not

have that

> worry.

>

> I will be very wary of pizza in future because it is what sets off

my

> gallstone problem and creates the most horrendous pain - just as

well really

> isn't it.

>

> Marianne

> >

> > Scarey, yes! Close to five years ago I had a similar

experience

> > with Promise margarine, which is also espoused as *healthy* by

media

> > ads. They have taken great strides to advertise Benecol as

healthy,

> > even including celebrities such as Regis in their ads. Nothing

could

> > be farther from the truth as you can see by the label for

> > hydrogenated on the label denotes the procedure that I mentioned

> > earlier. Any thinking individual should note that process is not

> > healthy!

> > Well, I thank God you found out in time. supplements help but

> > these transfats need to be cut out of the diet before the

supplements

> > can help to any extent.

> > That's why I have reverted to making my own baked goods, etc.

It

> > is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats

have

> > to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my

weakness)

> > and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned

that

> > the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

> > Well, pizza also has tons of transfats, we learned that the

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 17/12/01 22:08:11 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

Kettle chips are the ones that I love the most and the only ones that I eat -

I had to be doing something right whilst being totally wrong.

Marianne

> Actually, *no*!! if they're hydrogenated... made with shortening or

> lard. Kettle chips are better than most, they are phasing out

> Genetically engineered ingredients here in the states. Michael

> Seasons and Garden of Eatin are quite tasty, totally organic and

> yummy! marianne2406@a... wrote:

> > In a message dated 17/12/01 13:48:33 GMT Standard Time,

> dfnewman@a...

> > writes:

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 17/12/01 22:25:14 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

JoAnn - Gallstones are (one of) mainly caused by fat and made up of

cholesterol - every time you eat 'bad fats' you suffer - at least I am

learning by this and never repeat the process so that I am writhing in agony.

In some cases ignorance is pain and not bliss.........

Marianne

 

> Yes, b/c cholesterol is a factor with the pizza. Wasn't aware that

> cholesterol was a factor in gallstones as you said earlier. I can see

> how pizza would only makes matters worse. Wouldn't it be nice if

> ingredients came in the box? If we only knew what that crust

> contained!

> Ignorance is bliss?

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is in fact required by law that all hydrogenated and partially

hydrogenated fats must be labeled as such on ingredient labels.

 

Naturally occurring trans fats (which are in very low concentrations)

do not have to be labeled as such, only their source needs be labeled.

 

The highest amounts of trans fats found in nature are in the fat of

ruminant animals like cows and sheep. Pigs, chickens, etc. have

almost none.

 

Andy

 

Gettingwell, Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> mrsjoguest wrote:

>

> > It

> > is not required by law(AT LEAST HERE IN THE U.S.) that transfats

have

> > to be labeled. Mayonnaise is one of the worst offenders,(my

weakness)

> > and in that instance there is No labeling whatsoever. I learned

that

> > the soybean oil in mayo is harmful by word of mouth and online.

>

> Soybean oil? Really? Is that because it's hydrogenated, or...???

>

> Mindy, who has seen lots of items listing " soybean oil " as an

ingredient...

> :/

[Guest guest]

While mechanically correct, this is not a particularly accurate

description of the chemistry.

 

Hydrogenation changes the unsaturated fats (relatives of flax, borage,

olive, etc. oils) to saturated fats (relatives of tallow and sheep

fat).

 

The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural trans

unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

 

They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a deep

fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from french

fries?

 

Andy

 

 

Gettingwell, JoAnn Guest <joguest@m...> wrote:

> Hydrogenated Transfats

>

> The process of hydrogenation makes terrifying reading:

>

> 1. Vegetable oil is mixed thoroughly with fine particles of nickel

or copper.

> 2.It is heated to approximately 400 degrees F. and held at that

temperature for six hours.

> 3. Meanwhile, hydrogen gas is pumped through the mixture at high

pressure and the excited hydrogen atoms penetrate the vegetable oil

molecules and chemically change them into " transfats " (transfatty

acids). These are new, complex substances which are not found in

nature, except at low levels in some animal fats.

> 4. This mixture must be kept very hot--if it cools down the whole

production line will get clogged.

> 5. The mixture is then cooled down to form tiny hard plastic-like

beads, known as hydrogenated oil.

> 6. The beads of hydrogenated oil are mixed with liquid oil and

heated up again to a high temperature. When this cools, you have

margarine.

>

> (Reproduced with kind permission from " Now You Can say Goodbye to

Hydrogenated Fats (1994), a leaflet supplied by Whole Earth Foods.)

> Because these transfats are not natural in such high levels and

have a plastic-like quality, your body has great difficulty in trying

to eliminate or utilize them. Your body is then put under extra

pressure simply to deal with a substance that you do not really need

to eat.

>

>

>

>

> Organic Farming Quotable Quotes= " A nation that destroys its soils

destroys itself " -----*Franklin D. Roosevelt* " Food is power... are

you in control of yours? " *John Jeavons*, Ecology Action-- " Health is

not a medical issue! " =Theaimcompanies ==

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

>

>

>

>

> Check out Shopping and Auctionsfor all of your holiday

gifts!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mindy,

Yes, I run away from french fries unless they are baked in E.V.

olive oil! :-)Any thinking person should do the same. <grin>

In regards to hydrogenated oils, they are carcinogenic in nature by

reason of the very fact that they are heated to high temps for hours

on end! Anything that is fried, including french fries, regardless of

the types of fats that they are prepared in, is carcinogenic!

Numerous studies have confirmed it. If in doubt, read Udo Erasmus

books. These books are excellent and provide great explanations

regarding fats and oils. For this very reason, Extra-Virgin olive oil

is the only healthy oil. All other oils tend to lower our good

cholesterol levels and contribute to cardiovascular disease and

cancer (to name a few)!!

As for the fact that ANY hydrogenated fats are healthy. Mary Enig

Ph.D absolutely refutes that!! Anyone who has researched these fats

knows otherwise, although the studies have been effectively stifled

by the manufacturers. Little wonder that so many people are suffering

w/o knowledge!

 

Cancer and heart disease are the number one killers in the U.S.

One can trace most of these diseases directly to the dairy cases of

the major grocery chains. Pathetic but SOooooo true!

JoAnn

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

 

 

 

 

Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> andrewhallcutler wrote:

>

> > The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

> > natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

> > changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural

trans

> > unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

> >

>

> How do we know whether french fries are being fried in partially or

totally

> hydrogenated oils?

>

> > They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a

deep

> > fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from

french

> > fries?

>

> Yes!

>

> Mindy

[Guest guest]

andrewhallcutler wrote:

 

> The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

> natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

> changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural trans

> unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

>

 

How do we know whether french fries are being fried in partially or totally

hydrogenated oils?

 

> They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a deep

> fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from french

> fries?

 

Yes!

 

Mindy

[Guest guest]

Mindy,

Have you heard the latest? Several fast food restaurants were sued

recently regarding the oils they were using. It seems the Muslim

religion forbids animal fats, so they will be careful to avoid them

in the future. Hmmm...Wonder what they'll use as an alternative?

 

Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> andrewhallcutler wrote:

>

> > The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

> > natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

> > changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural

trans

> > unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

> >

>

> How do we know whether french fries are being fried in partially or

totally

> hydrogenated oils?

>

> > They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a

deep

> > fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from

french

> > fries?

>

> Yes!

>

> Mindy

[Guest guest]

mrsjoguest wrote:

 

> Mindy,

> Have you heard the latest? Several fast food restaurants were sued

> recently regarding the oils they were using. It seems the Muslim

> religion forbids animal fats, so they will be careful to avoid them

> in the future. Hmmm...Wonder what they'll use as an alternative?

 

Hmm, I had heard of that, but if I remember correctly, Muslims (and Jews) can

eat beef fat but not pork fat. Wait, maybe I'm wrong...maybe they can't eat

beef either. *confused*

 

Mindy

[Guest guest]

Gettingwell, Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> andrewhallcutler wrote:

>

> > The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

> > natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

> > changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural

trans

> > unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

> >

>

> How do we know whether french fries are being fried in partially or

totally

> hydrogenated oils?

 

For practical purposes all hydrogenated oils are partially

hydrogenated, since it is uneconomic to keep them in the reactor long

enough to get the last few percent converted. The ones LABELLED

" partially hydrogenated " are of course worse, but the " fully

hydrogenated " ones aren't really due to technical and economic

limitations.

 

>

> > They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a

deep

> > fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from

french

> > fries?

>

> Yes!

>

> Mindy

[Guest guest]

Gettingwell, " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> wrote:

> Mindy,

> Yes, I run away from french fries unless they are baked in E.V.

> olive oil! :-)Any thinking person should do the same. <grin>

> In regards to hydrogenated oils, they are carcinogenic in nature by

> reason of the very fact that they are heated to high temps for hours

> on end!

 

Actually they are hydrogenated to prevent the chemistry from happening

that makes normal polyunsaturated vegetable oils carcinogenic when

heated this way. The hydrogenation process simply introduces a

different problem.

 

Peanut and olive oils are used for frying because by nature they

aren't very subject to this problem.

 

>Anything that is fried, including french fries, regardless

of

> the types of fats that they are prepared in, is carcinogenic!

> Numerous studies have confirmed it. If in doubt, read Udo Erasmus

> books. These books are excellent and provide great explanations

> regarding fats and oils. For this very reason, Extra-Virgin olive

oil

> is the only healthy oil. All other oils tend to lower our good

> cholesterol levels and contribute to cardiovascular disease and

> cancer (to name a few)!!

> As for the fact that ANY hydrogenated fats are healthy. Mary Enig

> Ph.D absolutely refutes that!! Anyone who has researched these fats

> knows otherwise, although the studies have been effectively stifled

> by the manufacturers. Little wonder that so many people are

suffering

> w/o knowledge!

>

> Cancer and heart disease are the number one killers in the U.S.

> One can trace most of these diseases directly to the dairy cases of

> the major grocery chains. Pathetic but SOooooo true!

 

Does this relate in any way to hydrogenated fats, or is it a separate

issue?

 

> JoAnn

>

> JoAnn Guest

> joguest@m...

> Friendsforhealthnaturally

> http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

>

>

>

>

> Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> > andrewhallcutler wrote:

> >

> > > The fats that get completely hydrogenated are perfectly fine and

> > > natural. it is the ones that don't make it all the way, but are

> > > changed from the natural cis unsaturated form to the unnatural

> trans

> > > unsaturated form that you need to be concerned about.

> > >

> >

> > How do we know whether french fries are being fried in partially

or

> totally

> > hydrogenated oils?

> >

> > > They aren't heating things up here any hotter than they get in a

> deep

> > > fryer. I don't see why that is scary. Do you run away from

> french

> > > fries?

> >

> > Yes!

> >

> > Mindy

[Guest guest]

Muslims may not eat pork products, which includes lard.

 

Jews can do anything they want unless they keep kosher, which is a LOT

more complicated than avoiding lard. Many do choose to avoid pork

products, shellfish, and not eat dairy and meat at the same meal and

leave it at that - doing the easy part of keeping kosher.

 

Hindus cannot have beef products.

 

Many religions can't have any animal products at all.

 

The restaurants get in trouble when someone makes a reasonable but

mistaken assumption about what is in the food based on information the

restaurant provided - I am surprised the restaurant industry hasn't

gotten the message that full disclosure is full protection.

 

Andy

 

 

Gettingwell, Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> mrsjoguest wrote:

>

> > Mindy,

> > Have you heard the latest? Several fast food restaurants were

sued

> > recently regarding the oils they were using. It seems the Muslim

> > religion forbids animal fats, so they will be careful to avoid

them

> > in the future. Hmmm...Wonder what they'll use as an alternative?

>

> Hmm, I had heard of that, but if I remember correctly, Muslims (and

Jews) can

> eat beef fat but not pork fat. Wait, maybe I'm wrong...maybe they

can't eat

> beef either. *confused*

>

> Mindy