Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Hi All, Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on Benefits http://www.lef.org/news/nutrition/2001/11/20/pr/0000-1218-dc-mayo-soy-health.htm\ l PR Newswire November 20, 2001 WASHINGTON, Nov 20, 2001 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Researchers don't yet know everything they'd like to know about how nutrition affects your heart, the Mayo Clinic says, but as research continues into the role of soyfoods, the " results appear promising. " In the latest edition of the " Mayo Clinic Heart Book, " physicians and staff at Mayo note that in cultures where soy is the main source of protein, such as the dietary intake of many Asian populations, " rates of cardiovascular disease and some kinds of cancers are low. " Increasing evidence shows that isoflavones, which are found in soy, can play a role in promoting health: " Research shows that eating about an ounce (25 grams) of soy protein a day can reduce three important numbers in your lipid profile by about l0 percent, " the book's authors said. The three " important numbers " are total cholesterol, LDL or " bad " cholesterol, and triglycerides. " Eating soy also may help improve your 'good' HDL cholesterol, " the Mayo Clinic Heart Book recommends. While researchers aren't yet sure exactly how soy may lower cholesterol and triglycerides, the book says, " it's not difficult to substitute soy foods for animal products that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol. " For example, the diet and health statistics of some Asian countries and peoples are well-documented, the Mayo publication said, and " there is enough reliable information available to show a general pattern, " including various soy foods in Asian diets. The Mayo Clinic Heart Book suggests adding " several of these soy products " to daily diets: Soybeans; tempeh and miso, made from fermented soybeans; soy milk, soy flour, tofu, and textured soy protein. Soy sauce isn't recommended, Mayo said, because it doesn't contain healthful amounts of soy and is high in sodium. ======================== Just be sure to get a bit of iodine to balance thyroid activity. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Hi Greg, _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Greg Watson > 11/22/2001 10:54:59 AM > crsociety > Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research > Continues on Benefits > In the latest edition of the " Mayo Clinic Heart Book, " physicians and staff at Mayo note that in cultures > where soy is > the main source of protein, such as the dietary intake of many Asian populations, " rates of > cardiovascular disease and > some kinds of cancers are low. " *****But Japanese incidents of stomach cancer are higher. .. > While researchers aren't yet sure exactly how soy may lower cholesterol and triglycerides, the book > says, " it's not > difficult to substitute soy foods for animal products that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol. " ******They really want to get us away from natural foods and cholesterol is mostly bogus. .. > > The Mayo Clinic Heart Book suggests adding " several of these soy products " to daily diets: Soybeans; > tempeh and miso, > made from fermented soybeans; soy milk, soy flour, tofu, and textured soy protein. ******At least they stress fermented. Not an Okinawan, bubba Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 - " the desert_rat " <ron Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:20 PM Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on Benefits > *****But Japanese incidents of stomach cancer are higher. Cause by eating soy. No. > ******They really want to get us away from natural foods and cholesterol > is mostly bogus. Who are the who want to get you away from eating natural foods? When were veggies and fish not available? > ******At least they stress fermented. Sure, what form do you eat? ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Gettingwell, " Greg Watson " <gowatson@s...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Mayo Clinic: > Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on Benefits Dear Greg, I do believe there are some benefits to eating a limited amount of fermented, natural not genitecal engineeredly, soy. Unfortunatly in the US not too much of this is available to consumers unless they happen to have an oriental population and markets close by and are familiar with these foods. What is sold mainly in the market place here is genetically engineered soy products added to refined foods, as fake foods like fake seafood or burgers, or as a liquid milk. These products I am fearfull of although I have eaten or drank of them in limited quantities in the past. My thyriod started to not function fully, with the resultant low tempurature. I stop taking them in and started taking liberal doses of kelp and Iodine and it has since come up. Did it cause my thyriod problem. I dont know for sure but suspect it did. I do believe that the fermented and unfermented soy are quite different substances although some nutritional information will be similiar as one is made from the other. Most of what I have found of soy in Asia is the fermented type. As to research done on these products, I take it with a grain of salt as so much fo our studies are conducted, paid for and engineered to obtain a preassumed desired result. This tilting the results of studies has become such a problem that the medical journals (supported by the pharmacuetical industry) have started to complain. just my personal observations, FRank Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 - <califpacific Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:42 PM Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on Benefits > Dear Greg, > > I do believe there are some benefits to eating a limited amount of > fermented, natural not genitecal engineeredly, soy. I agree and luckly in OZ the soy we get is GM free. > What is sold mainly in the market place here is genetically engineered > soy products added to refined foods, as fake foods like fake seafood > or burgers, or as a liquid milk. These products I am fearfull of > although I have eaten or drank of them in limited quantities in the > past. My thyriod started to not function fully, with the resultant low > tempurature. I stop taking them in and started taking liberal doses of > kelp and Iodine and it has since come up. Did it cause my thyriod > problem. I dont know for sure but suspect it did. It may have done so, depending on how much soy you consumed. Again in the Asian where soy originated, iodine rich foods are normally eaten with soy. > As to research done on these products, I take it with a grain of salt > as so much fo our studies are conducted, paid for and engineered to > obtain a preassumed desired result. The beauty of PubMed is the research is the original (not modified for popular press), from many nations and many researchers. Don't think anyone could buy them all off. Hi Frank, I understand your point and do have some concerns there myself. However PubMed is the least biased source there is. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Gettingwell, " Greg Watson " <gowatson@s...> wrote: > - > <califpacific> > <Gettingwell> > Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:42 PM > Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on > Benefits > > > The beauty of PubMed is the research is the original (not modified for popular press), from many nations and many > researchers. Don't think anyone could buy them all off. > > Hi Frank, > > I understand your point and do have some concerns there myself. However PubMed is the least biased source there is. > ======================== > Good Health & Long Life, > Greg Watson, gowatson@s... Dear Greg, I dont think they would do anything so crass as to buy anyone off. They do it better than that. They rig the game from the start. Here is one article, there are quite a few others. The pharma makers, the food industry, and others are usually almost always the ones funding the studies to start with. Even if it is done at a university or hospital. Health Matters issue 43 Winter 2000/01 Buying science, selling drugs http://www.healthmatters.org.uk/stories/morgan.html Steve Morgan, Morris Barer and Robert Evans explain how drug companies systematically manipulate scientific research in pursuit of profit. According to standard economic theory the behavior of private firms is driven by the desire to make as much money as possible. For drug companies, which have extraordinarily high fixed costs and low variable costs of production, the route to profitability is through sales. At least part of the selling process in the pharmaceutical industry involves creating and disseminating scientific evidence about the merits of a product. In an ideal world, corporate investment in clinical research would facilitate prescribing decisions based on objective evaluations of scientific evidence on safety, efficacy and cost-effectiveness. Reality, alas, intrudes. Pharmaceutical companies are not educational charities, investing in disinterested product evaluation. Science and objectivity are of interest to a private, for-profit corporation only insofar as they further the drive for profits. In fact, to the discomfort of many economists, economic theory does not rule out destroying scientific information or producing false information as a means of pursuing the profit objective, just as it does not rule out contaminating the environment, using child labor or selling known carcinogens. Consider, for example, the long and sordid history of the tobacco industry. In the pharmaceutical sector, it may be profitable for a firm to promote bias in the creation, evaluation and dissemination of information so as to encourage sales – provided that such behavior is either undetected or carries penalties that are outweighed by its profit potential. The picture that has emerged from the clinical sciences overwhelmingly suggests that such practices are profitable because they routinely occur in the pharmaceutical industry.1 Despite scientific pretences, drug companies have injected various forms of bias into virtually every aspect of the product evaluation process. They begin at the front line, courting practising physicians – most notoriously by proffering gifts: complimentary meals, travel, gifts and entertainment all have a documented impact on prescribing, increasing the use of the sponsor's products regardless of appropriateness.2,3 If gifts and other inducements did not affect prescribing behaviour, economic theory (and common sense) predicts that they would not be offered. Not every physician accepts gifts and not all of those who accept them are influenced. Further, even physicians most likely to believe drug manufacturers' promotional claims will also be influenced by other sources of information. For, along with other potentially competing interests, the physician's primary duty of trust is to the patient. This makes it imperative for drug companies to influence, to whatever extent they profitably can, the ostensibly non-promotional sources of drug-related information. Medical associations have long been a third-party source of drug-related information for prescribers. Prescribing information, cautions, and guidelines disseminated under the auspices of medical associations carry the implicit scientific credibility that such endorsement brings a “so drug companies have invested tremendous resources in marketing activities channelled through medical associations. In the process, drug-makers have allied the medical profession as a whole just as they have allied individual physicians. Through grants, advertising and other sources of financial support, medical associations are heavily reliant on the pharmaceutical industry as a source of funding, placing the associations in an obvious conflict of interest.4-7 Despite the fact that virtually every systematic review of the content and impact of drug advertising confirms that it is of dubious information value,3,4 the financial gains from permitting advertising have proved too strong for associations and their journals to resist. Through medical associations, drug companies fund continuing medical education programmes, consensus conferences, scientific meetings and prescribing guideline development. As economic theory would predict, the result is educational events that systematically favour the sponsor's products.8,9 Not only do firms influence the process by which evidence is disseminated “putting their 'spin' on whatever the findings may be “they also influence how the evidence is created in the first place. If investment in clinical sciences can be orchestrated in a way that generates favourable findings “which, in turn, generate more sales “economic theory predicts that firms will so orchestrate their investments. And indeed, using financial, contractual and legal means, drug manufacturers retain a degree of control over clinical research far greater than most people realize. The most obvious mechanisms through which the evidence can be biased occur in drug trials sponsored by corporations.10 Trial sponsors commonly control the research question, selection of patients, and other means to control the evaluation. Combined, these have documented effects on empirical findings. Clinical trials funded by drug companies are more likely than non-industry funded trials to generate 'scientific evidence' that favours the funding company's product, and the data is more favourably interpreted by those with financial ties to related drug companies.11 Drug companies are also very careful about what aspects of their studies reach the public domain.12,13 Since the clinical data generated by industry-funded drug trials is proprietary, it is seldom open to competitive or public scrutiny. Secrecy, however, is the antithesis of good, transparent science. It not only undermines the external review processes for studies that are 'made public', but it also engenders reporting biases because positive results are more likely to get published and are frequently published multiple times.13-15 The evidence put before the public is far rosier than the actual experiences of test subjects would suggest. Hospitals and universities have too often tacitly acquiesced to such practices by permitting contract-based research on terms inimical to good science and patients' interests.16 It should not be surprising, in a time of declining public funding, that universities and hospitals are willing to accept research contracts with strict disclosure and confidentiality clauses and/or methodological flaws. Pharmaceutical companies are a major source of revenue upon which hospitals and universities increasingly depend. In addition to fees paid on contract for specific studies, drug companies give large corporate grants to public institutions. These for-profit firms do not engage in hand-outs without reasons tied, directly or indirectly, back to the corporate bottom line. Gifts to public institutions from a drug company raises that company's image and serves as a means through which it can influence the decisions of universities and hospitals. Even when drug companies are not the sponsors of research studies, they use lawsuits and other means to influence what is studied and what is reported. Legal threats, regardless of their merit, are increasingly being used as a means by which the drug industry silences recalcitrant researchers.17-21 Lawsuits significantly raise the anticipated costs of conducting and publishing clinical research that yield results 'unfriendly' to the objectives of manufacturers. Even if individual researchers under legal attack win in the courts, they lose considerable time, energy and money, and are put at a disadvantage in research competitions with their peers.17,20 Other researchers note this. It is hard to gauge how much critical research is 'chilled' as a result, but such chilling is a plausible company objective “'punish one to teach a thousand'. Evidence-biased medicineDrug companies have also launched legal actions against those who conduct independent evaluations and publish clinical guidelines. In 1997, Bristol-Myers Squibb sought an injunction to prevent the Canadian Coordinating Office of Health Technology Assessment (CCOHTA) from releasing a summary report on drugs to lower blood cholesterol. They were unsuccessful at trial, and on appeal, and received a judicial rebuke. But they effectively shut down CCOHTA for a year and drained its budget. Meanwhile they preserved their leading market position, generating revenues that undoubtedly more than covered their legal expenses. Increasingly, the industry is simply leaving the academics behind by having drug trials designed, managed and reported by private, for-profit contract research organisations. In 1991, academic centres accounted for 80 per cent of industry-funded clinical trials; in 1998 they accounted for only 40 per cent.22-24 Private research firms picked up the difference. The ostensible reason for this change is that private firms can conduct research more quickly than universities and hospitals. This is clearly of interest to firms who wish to get the maximum number of market days out of their fixed-term patents. But a second advantage of contract research is that the firm can retain complete control over questions, methods, data and publications, without hindrance from academic review processes. While academic researchers and clinicians may still be involved, no individual will have sufficient grasp of the overall project to be able to question methods or see warning signs in data coming in from all participating centres. Professional medical writers frequently write up the results of privately contracted research. The articles are then published under the names of prominent researchers or clinicians paid a fee for reviewing the manuscript and attaching their names. The practice of ghost-written papers published under 'honorary' authorships has become so pervasive, and the belief that this reduces accountability for research is so strong, that some medical journals now require that authors list their contribution to the research.25 Using profit-making organisations to conduct research on behalf of drug companies, and using public relations firms to put media 'spin' on the results and coordinate their publication, completes the process by which the industry has infiltrated every stage of the modern research enterprise. Faced with this infiltration, patient welfare and scientific process are simply overwhelmed by the profit objective of the pharmaceutical companies. Private practitioners have become more-than-willing pawns in this process, often putting their own financial and academic interests ahead of their patients' interests. In the private, contract-based research setting, data gathering is conducted by ordinary practising physicians.22-24 The fees paid for enlisting patients in these studies, together with bonuses for meeting recruitment targets and deadlines, can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.24 In this context the notion of supplier-induced demand takes on a whole new complexion. Inappropriate treatment occurring under heavy financial incentives appears to be a form of 'collateral damage' acceptable to the doctors, contract research organisations and funding drug companies. Contract research for profit is a recent development, but all the other marketing practices described above are decades old. Documentation of attempts to generate biased clinical evidence for marketing purposes dates back decades. As early as the mid-1950s, public commissions of inquiry in Canada, the US and the UK all received testimonies of industry efforts to introduce bias into the prescribing process, not only by the ubiquitous practice of giving gifts and other benefits to prescribing physicians, but through financing articles in journals intended for prescribing doctors, and influencing their content.26-28 Then, as now, drug companies: sponsored drug trials; hand-picked investigators depending on the degree of quality needed (for example, picking young investigators of little or no reputation to study the more dubious drugs); discouraged the publication of unfavourable results; used multiple trials at different centres to raise awareness of a drug before its market launch; and published results multiple times (both before and after the drug's launch) so as to hamper those searching for scientific evidence. As Yale political scientist Ted Marmor has noted, 'Nothing that is regular is stupid.' These practices are profitable. References1. Barer ML, McGrail KM et al (eds) (2000) Tales From the Other Drug Wars: Proceedings from the 12th Annual Health Policy Conference. Centre for Health Services and Policy Research, UBC. www.chspr.ubc.ca [26 September 2000] 2. Wazana A. (2000) Physicians and the pharmaceutical industry: Is a gift ever just a gift? JAMA; 283 (3): 373–280. 3. Lexchin J. (1993) Interactions between physicians and the pharmaceutical industry: what does the literature say? Can Med Assoc J; 149 (10): 1401“1407. 4. Guyatt G. (1994) Academic medicine and the pharmaceutical industry: a cautionary tale. Can Med Assoc J; 150(6): 951-953. 5. Glassman PA et al (1999) Pharmaceutical advertising revenue and physician organizations: how much is too much? Est J Med; 171 (4): 234“238. 6. Mabin DC. (1995) BMJ should declare its own conflict of interest. BMJ;311 : 878. 7. Ubel PA, et al (1995) Acceptance of external funds by physician organizations: issues and policy options. J Gen Intern Med; 10: 624“630. 8. Sheldon TA, Smith GD. (1993) Consensus conferences as drug promotion. The Lancet; 341 (8837): 100 “103. 9. Spingarn RW, Berlin JA, Strom BL. (1996) When pharmaceutical manufacturers' employees present grand rounds, what do residents remember? Acad Med; 71: 86“88. 10. Bero LA, Rennie D. (1996) Influences on the Quality of Public Drug Studies. Int J Technol Assess Health Care; 12 (2): 209-237. 11. Brill-Edwards M. (2000) Canada's Health Protection Branch: Whose Health, What Protection? In Tales From the Other Drug Wars: Proceedings from the 12th Annual Health Policy Conference, Barer ML, McGrail KM et al. (eds.) Centre for Health Services and Policy Research, UBC 2000; www.chspr.ubc.ca [26 September 2000] 12. Wahlbeck K, Adams C. (1999) Beyond conflict of interest: Sponsored drug trials show more-favourable outcomes. BMJ; 318 (7181): 465. 13. Rosenberg SA. (1996) Secrecy in medical research. N Engl J Med; 334 (6): 392“4. 14. Rennie D. (1999) Fair conduct and fair reporting of clinical trials. JAMA; 282 (18): 1766-1768. 15. Johansen HK, Gotxche PC. (1999) Problems in the design and reporting of trials of antifungal agents encountered during meta-analysis. JAMA; 282 (18): 1752“1759. 16. Angell M. (2000) Is academic medicine for sale? N Engl J Med; 342 (20): 1516-1518. 17. Shuchman M. (2000) Consequences of blowing the whistle in medical research. Ann Intern Med; 132 (12): 1013“1014 18. Hemminiki E, Hailey D, Koivusalo M. (1999) The courts “a challenge to health technology assessment. Science; 285 (5425): 203“204. 19. Hailey D. (2000) Scientific harassment by pharmaceutical companies: time to stop. Can Med Assoc J; 162 (2): 212“213. 20. Evans RG. (2000) Uses and abuses of research and the research process. In Barer ML, McGrail KM et al. (eds) Tales From the Other Drug Wars: Proceedings from the 12th Annual Health Policy Conference. Centre for Health Services and Policy Research, UBC 2000; www.chspr.ubc.ca [26 September 2000] 21. Rich P. (1999) Re-evaluating guidelines: clash between researcher and drug company shows need for further clarification of the process. Medical Post; 25 (41): cover, 64. 22. Rettig R. (2000) The industrialization of clinical research. Health Affairs; 19 (2): 129“146. 23. Bodenheimer T. (2000) Uneasy alliance clinical investigators and the pharmaceutical industry. N Engl J Med; 342 (29): 1539. 24. Eichenwald K, Kolata G. (1999) Drug trials hide conflicts for doctors. New York Times; May 16, 1999. 25. Rennie D, Flanagin A, Yank V. (2000) The contribution of authors. JAMA; 284 (1): 89“91. 26. Lang RW. (1974) The Politics of Drugs: A comparative pressure-group study of the Canadian Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association and the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry. England: Saxon House. 27. Temin P. (1980) Taking Your Medicine: Drug Regulation in the United States. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. 28. Restrictive Trade Practices Commission (1963) Report Concerning the Manufacture, Distribution and Sale of Drugs. Ottawa: Queen's Printer. Steve Morgan, Morris Barer and Robert Evans are academics at the <A HREF= " http://www.chspr.ubc.ca/ " >Centre for Health Services and Policy Research</A>, University of British Columbia. Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Frank said: " I dont think they would do anything so crass as to buy anyone off. They do it better than that. They rig the game from the start. Here is one article, there are quite a few others. The pharma makers, the food industry, and others are usually almost always the ones funding the studies to start with. Even if it is done at a university or hospital. " Frank, I appreciate your point and you may very well be correct. However, how do I know that the folks putting out all the negative reports on Soy are not also bought off? In this case by the powerful Meat and Dairy industry. I have seen some of their research and continue to be astounded by how outlandish and incorrect it is. Ken Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Hi Greg, No i don't think the higher rate of stomach cancer is related to soy any more than i attribute their lack of some of the more prevalent western diseases. Who are the they? You Aussies really got to bone up on your conspiracy facts. Our FDA, AMA and one world gov't. movement will get you too. Ahh veggies and fish. I do envy you your access to those. Mine come by truck from a chemicaly fertilized farm to a central warehouse and then to a local warehouse and then to the supermarket shelf. And yes most of the grain fed fish comes from fish farms. Got room for one more down there? I wish i could transplant meself. _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Greg Watson > 11/22/2001 2:15:14 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As > Research Continues on Benefits > > - > " the desert_rat " > To: > Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:20 PM > Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As > Research Continues on > Benefits > > > > *****But Japanese incidents of stomach cancer are higher. > > Cause by eating soy. No. > > > ******They really want to get us away from natural foods and cholesterol > > is mostly bogus. > > Who are the who want to get you away from eating natural foods? When were veggies and fish not > available? > > > ******At least they stress fermented. > > Sure, what form do you eat? > ======================== > Good Health & Long Life, > Greg Watson, gowatson > USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ > PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi > DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe > KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 Hi Greg, They got at least halfway round. > - > > To: > Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:11 PM > Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As > Research Continues on > Benefits > > > Dear Greg, > > I dont think they would do anything so crass as to buy anyone off. > They do it better than that. They rig the game from the start. > > Hi, > > I find that by actually reading 1,000's of papers and having a good scientific / medical background you > can sort the > wheat from the chaff. Highly biased studies stand out like a beacon. > > And you can't get to the whole world. > ======================== _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Quote
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Posted November 22, 2001 - <califpacific Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:11 PM Re: Mayo Clinic: Role of Soy in Promoting Heart Health Is 'Promising' As Research Continues on Benefits Dear Greg, I dont think they would do anything so crass as to buy anyone off. They do it better than that. They rig the game from the start. Hi, I find that by actually reading 1,000's of papers and having a good scientific / medical background you can sort the wheat from the chaff. Highly biased studies stand out like a beacon. And you can't get to the whole world. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote
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