prostate cancer

October 8, 2003

Sammy elucitated:

>>I'd normally clip the thread but the dominant WM interpretation of PC is a

complex subject : because it is so wrong, and in so much need of

correction, everything needs to be made quite explicit. Therefore, readers

may find it useful to access a single post rather than have to weave their

way back through several previous posts in a vain attempt to knit things

together.

Ann demurs:

excuse my cheekiness re abbreviating past msgs. I do understand that

approach to recapturing the snakey thread and having it in one place. Yes

text is precious, but minute in the byte of things these days. Okay then.

Sammy:

Clipping the thread is important when there is not much focus and the

subject drifts. Even more important is the judicious use of Subject line

changes to reflect changes in a thread. I often wonder if it is realised the

Subject line may be changed to match what is said in the message. There is

no sense in clinging on to a redundant Subject line any more than there is

tagging on an irrelevant thread.

Ann:

>>>hear hear

As for bandwidth being gobbled up, well really there is no comparison

between a few kilobytes in a text message and the massive files being used

elsewhere on the Internet.

A couple of comments below.

Sammy.

<snip> :-D

Yes we do joke about testosterone poisoning.

** I've just done a Google search and it seems to be quite the in-phrase

although I have never come across it before. You New Yorkers are obviously

way ahead of us Brits on some things.

>>>Me: ..naturlich.

> Maybe the key is wnl, within normal limits.

** The limits are something that change depending on the company one keeps.

That is the whole point of the PC thread - WM treatment is essentially a

misguided take on the purpose of androgen in the male, and the useless

application of an outdated treatment protocol. My challenge to TCM is to

come up with something better than castration in the treatment of

symptomatic PC characteristic of the western manifestation of this disease:

high PSA, low testosterone, high estrogen, painful prostate and BPH, Ki

deficiency syndrome including dysuria and lower back pain, blood in semen,

erectile dysfunction. Metastatic disease in the pelvis, lymph nodes and

lumbar vertebrae.

>>>well, that's why i'm reading all this.

> And liver clearance of hormones being a key issue for men, as well as

women, i should think.

** Agreed, and for both sexes it is important the liver is clearing estrogen

because of its strong link with carcinogenesis and its interference with T

levels. So, snakes aside, it is *estrogen poisoning* you need to watch out

for not testosterone poisoning.

>>>Right, we've been around the bend re estro, but are you saying that there

can never be too much testo? Just curious. (You mean i should have accepted

my friend Jeremy's offer that dark damp night in Amsterdam when he offered

to share one of his injections with me?)

<snip>

>curious in new york,

** About what ?

>>>the color of the moon in Hong Kong.

October 8, 2003

Let's see now ..

<snip>

> (You mean i should have accepted my friend Jeremy's offer that dark damp

night in Amsterdam when he offered to share one of his injections with me?)

** I'd say steer clear of offers like this under all circumstances. Even if

it was genuine testosterone, not contaminated with synthetics or worse

someone else's blood, the very idea of externally & artificially

supplementing testosterone is anathema to me and I hope to TCM in general.

** Reason being is that the supplement will make the HPG homeostatic link

'lazy', the gonads will shrink and when the supplement is withdrawn the

natural testosterone level will plummet. Since low T (not high) is

statistically linked with PC, this is probably the scenario that gives rise

to the association between T shots and PC onset. T shots are contraindicated

on the packaging for men with a prostate condition because of this confusion

in WM.

** I have no knowledge of women and T & not sure how it links in with TCM.

Maybe you can explain ??

Sammy.

October 9, 2003

Sammy,

This is quite good that you put this issue up for clarification and ongoing

consideration. You probably know that many HIV men are given testosterone

injections when it becomes low, either from the dz or from the drugs taken.

As for its TCM relation to women, i can think of not much more than we might

suppose. Women's decline of T with age seems to me to represent an aspect of

Kidney Yang diminishment. I am certainly not of the opinion that taking T in

any form is a solution for any particular pattern. But do you have an

opinion on use of DHEA?

Ann