Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Jaya Guru Datta One plane crashes,all aboard (200 plus) persons die,a month later another plane crashes all aboard (150 plus) die. One guest speaker at the Conference on Karma & Re-Incarnation noted that " is there such a concept as Group Karma " .Or is it a mere accident,human error,human shortfall ?? Any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Jaya Guru Datta. My understanding is: Karma only brought people together the first place. Some people survive in accidents, while some others suffer even in the best of situations. How karma account is balanced, transacted and maintained is not easy for devAs to know. It is part of IsvarA's mAyA. Only Isvara knows this. That is the reason, sometimes there are clashes between Siva dhUtAs and yama dhUtAs, because they just do their jobs without having the right of maintaining the account. When the transaction gets updated, the trigger works for them to bring the jIvAs to the appropriate place. IsvarA is karma-phala-DhAtA. He gives the results for actions. DevAs are also part of IsvarA's mAyA. Blessed are the jIvAs who follow a sadguru, as sadguru removes the mAya for His/Her devotees. Ravi JAIGURUDATTA [JAIGURUDATTA ] On Behalf Of Ramesh Pragg Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:06 PM JAIGURUDATTA " Group " Karma ? Jaya Guru Datta One plane crashes,all aboard (200 plus) persons die,a month later another plane crashes all aboard (150 plus) die. One guest speaker at the Conference on Karma & Re-Incarnation noted that " is there such a concept as Group Karma " .Or is it a mere accident,human error,human shortfall ?? Any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Jaya Guru Datta. Friends, I don't know if I can commnet without understanding the meaning of the word " karma " . I am trying to understand it from long time. Does it mean " what I/we have done in the past " ? or " what I/we are doing now " ? or " what I/we will do in future " ? or " what is responsbile for *all* the happenings for me/us " ? I am at a confused state. My understanding is 'what had/will/is happened/happen/happening to me is my karma'. That said, does it mean 'if I curse somebody, will I get the same curse? no more no less'? Any detailed explanations on " karma " are most welcome. Thanks, Phani On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Ravi Venkatraman < ravi.venkatraman wrote: > > > Jaya Guru Datta. > > My understanding is: > > Karma only brought people together the first place. Some people survive in > accidents, while some others suffer even in the best of situations. > > How karma account is balanced, transacted and maintained is not easy for > devAs to know. It is part of IsvarA's mAyA. Only Isvara knows this. That is > the reason, sometimes there are clashes between Siva dhUtAs and yama > dhUtAs, > because they just do their jobs without having the right of maintaining the > account. When the transaction gets updated, the trigger works for them to > bring the jIvAs to the appropriate place. > > IsvarA is karma-phala-DhAtA. He gives the results for actions. > > DevAs are also part of IsvarA's mAyA. > > Blessed are the jIvAs who follow a sadguru, as sadguru removes the mAya for > His/Her devotees. > > Ravi > > JAIGURUDATTA <JAIGURUDATTA%40>[ > JAIGURUDATTA <JAIGURUDATTA%40>] On > Behalf Of Ramesh Pragg > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:06 PM > JAIGURUDATTA > " Group " Karma ? > > Jaya Guru Datta > > One plane crashes,all aboard (200 plus) persons die,a month later another > plane crashes all aboard (150 plus) die. > One guest speaker at the Conference on Karma & Re-Incarnation noted that > " is > there such a concept as Group Karma " .Or is it a mere accident,human > error,human shortfall ?? > Any thoughts ? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Jai Guru Datta Phani - With humble pranams to the Lotus Feet of our beloved Appaji, here's my humble attempt - *What is the meaning of Karma & * *What constitutes Karma - actions of this life or actions performed in the past lives?* *What are the three types of Karmas - Sanchita Karma, Praarabdha Karma and Aagami Karma? * There are three faculties (Trikaranas) through which we generally try to express ourselves in this world - Thought, Word and Deed through our Manasa [mind], Vak or Vacha [speech] & Kaya [body] respectively. Every one of these actions that we express through our Mind and Body (Trikaranas) is a karma - whether it is done in this life or in the past lives. Every word or deed/action is a result of a strong thought - whose time has matured to translate into speech/action. Some actions yield fruits instantaneously. Example: Eating removes hunger, Drinking water removes thirst. Some actions take some time to give fruit. A mango seed planted today will not grow immediately and bear fruits. It will take several years. .... and there are some karmas which yield the fruit in subsequent lives. But one thing is certain. Irrespective of when the karma is performed, one has to enjoy its fruit - both good (punya) & bad (papa). If the action performed in a particular life does not bear fruits in the same life, what will happen to it? Where will it go? It will accumulate. This accumulated lump of karma is called as 'sanchita karma'(sanchaya = deposit). Because the human birth comes after several previous births, there will be a sizeable accumulation of sanchita karma. It is not possible to enjoy (or suffer as the case may be) the entire sanchita karma in one life. Therefore, the Almighty sets apart a portion of the sanchita karma for a particular birth. A being comes to the world along with this part. Along with this, the being will also have some independence (FREE WILL) to perform new karmas. That part which comes along with birth is called as 'Praarabdha Karma' (DESTINY). Unexpectedly winning a lottery, meeting with an accident are some of the examples of Praarabdha Karma. After taking out the Praarabdha part from the Sanchita Karma, and adding the new karmas that we continue to accumulate in this lifetime - what remains is called as Aagaami Karma. This part of the karma is responsible for causing future births. With Sadguru's grace and participating in all activities that our compassionate Swamiji initiates us into like Nama Sankeerthana, Charitable activities, Studying the Divine Scriptures, Meditation, Kriya Yoga, Raja yoga, Pujas, Homas, Mantra Japas (to name a few), we can reduce and eliminate all Agami/Sanchita Karmas. This is the ONLY way to get out of the cycles of birth/death. Based on this description, it is generally thought that Praarabdha is inevitable and should be experienced (enjoyed or suffered). It has been likened to an arrow which, once shot from a bow can not be taken back. The intention of this example is to show how strong the Praarabdha Karma is. It does not mean that there is no remedy at all. An eminent warrior can neutralise the arrow with another arrow and can escape from being its target. Similarly, with the help of discrimination, steadfastness and by judiciously observing certain rituals of atonement, one can overcome the effects of Praarabdha Karma. Sadgurus often show the path to their disciples to overcome the effects of Praarabdha Karma. We have all been extremely fortunate to have been initiated into Swamiji's fold for several lives before this lifetime - whether we *know* it or not. Despite that, we continue to indulge ourselves in may materialistic activities (Tamasic and Rajasic) rather than spiritual activities (Satvic). It is ONLY because of His compassion that he continues to track us down - life after life - and guide/protect us and our families *silently*. His ways (leelas) are myriad - but the purpose will be served! This is why Swamiji taught us to sing this prayer (from the Vedic times) at the end of all our Prayers/Pujas - *Kayena vacha manasendriyair va, buddhyatmana va, prakriteh svabhavat Karomi yadyat, sakalam parasmai, narayanayeti samarpayami* *Meaning:* I dedicate to the Supreme LORD Narayana all that I do by means of the *body, words, mind*, the organs of action, the organs of knowledge and by the impulsion of nature. *There is a general question of How can we stop attracting new karmas (knowing we have a huge load of Sanchita Karmas to experience. This has been best explained in the Bhagavad Gita by the Lord Himself!* The secret of getting out of this cycle of life and death is to perform Karmas with detachment, meaning without expectations of the results/fruits as it is said by Bhagawan Sri Krishna himself in the Gita: करà¥à¤®à¤£à¥à¤¯à¥‡ वाधिकारसà¥à¤¤à¥‡ म फलेषॠकदाचना करà¥à¤®à¤«à¤²à¥‡à¤¹à¥à¤¤à¥à¤° à¤à¥à¤°à¤®à¤¾ ते संगोसà¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤•à¤°à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¨à¥€à¥¥ च २, ४ॠIn English transliteration: *karmanye vadhikaras te ma phalesu kadacana ma karma-phala-hetur bhur ma te sangostvakarmani* " You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Never consider yourself the cause of the results of your activities, and never be attached to not doing your duty. " Ch. 2, 47 How lucky are we - to be under the Divine guidance and protection of our beloved Appaji!!! Despite all our wavering minds and intentions, It is ONLY due to His kindness and compassion that we are given many opportunities of service. Any kind of service done to Appaji is not for Him. It is for us to remove our Sanchita Karmas (which have been accumulating like thick webs) over several lifetimes. Only HE can disentangle us from all these impgregnable *webs* of MAYA. Jai Guru Datta, Praveen Nidumolu On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Phani Emani <phani.emani wrote: > > > Jaya Guru Datta. > > Friends, > > I don't know if I can commnet without understanding the meaning of the > word " karma " . I am trying to understand it from long time. > > Does it mean " what I/we have done in the past " ? or " what I/we are doing > now " ? or " what I/we will do in future " ? or " what is responsbile for *all* > the happenings for me/us " ? > > I am at a confused state. My understanding is 'what had/will/is > happened/happen/happening to me is my karma'. That said, does it mean 'if > I curse somebody, will I get the same curse? no more no less'? > > Any detailed explanations on " karma " are most welcome. > > Thanks, > Phani > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Ravi Venkatraman < > ravi.venkatraman <ravi.venkatraman%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > Jaya Guru Datta. > > > > My understanding is: > > > > Karma only brought people together the first place. Some people survive > in > > accidents, while some others suffer even in the best of situations. > > > > How karma account is balanced, transacted and maintained is not easy for > > devAs to know. It is part of IsvarA's mAyA. Only Isvara knows this. That > is > > the reason, sometimes there are clashes between Siva dhUtAs and yama > > dhUtAs, > > because they just do their jobs without having the right of maintaining > the > > account. When the transaction gets updated, the trigger works for them to > > bring the jIvAs to the appropriate place. > > > > IsvarA is karma-phala-DhAtA. He gives the results for actions. > > > > DevAs are also part of IsvarA's mAyA. > > > > Blessed are the jIvAs who follow a sadguru, as sadguru removes the mAya > for > > His/Her devotees. > > > > Ravi > > > > " Group " Karma ? > > > > Jaya Guru Datta > > > > One plane crashes,all aboard (200 plus) persons die,a month later another > > plane crashes all aboard (150 plus) die. > > One guest speaker at the Conference on Karma & Re-Incarnation noted that > > " is > > there such a concept as Group Karma " .Or is it a mere accident,human > > error,human shortfall ?? > > Any thoughts ? > -- > - > Phani Emani > 919945299941 <919945299941%40airtelkk.com> > (pls send plain test msg less than 160 chars) > > Recent Activity > > - 10 > New Members<JAIGURUDATTA/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmamNxMzlh\ BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzOTM0MjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc1OTkxBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3Zt\ YnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyNDYzODM4NjQ-> > > Visit Your Group > <JAIGURUDATTA;_ylc=X3oDMTJlczMwZmMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE\ 0BGdycElkAzIzOTM0MjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc1OTkxBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTI\ 0NjM4Mzg2NA--> > Finance > > It's Now Personal<http://us.ard./SIG=14hkbk7t4/M=493064.12016257.12445664.867457\ 8/D=groups/S=1705075991:NC/Y=/EXP=1246391064/L=/B=LrsTEEPDhF0-/J=1246383864\ 393653/K=wwAMUH66bJXxlns_06n8OA/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd..\ com/evt=50284/*http://finance./personal-finance> > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > > Cat Owners Group<http://us.ard./SIG=14h6o1ib4/M=493064.12016263.12445670.8674578/D\ =groups/S=1705075991:NC/Y=/EXP=1246391064/L=/B=L7sTEEPDhF0-/J=1246383864393\ 653/K=wwAMUH66bJXxlns_06n8OA/A=5522126/R=0/SIG=11kt0eu7c/*http://advision.webeve\ nts./domoreforcats/> > > Connect and share with > > others who love their cats > > > Mom Power<http://us.ard./SIG=14h3mop04/M=493064.12662709.13497510.8674578/D\ =groups/S=1705075991:NC/Y=/EXP=1246391064/L=/B=MLsTEEPDhF0-/J=1246383864393\ 653/K=wwAMUH66bJXxlns_06n8OA/A=5689660/R=0/SIG=11eaa5dke/*http://groups..co\ mmompowergroup/> > > Just for moms > > Join the discussion > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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