Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 parvasudhar2065 , " harimalla " <harimalla wrote: Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, Namaskar! Since your name is Ram mohan anantha, I think you should understand this issue very well.In my view Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan or Krishna represents Bhakti yoga.When one becomes Ram, as you are, he is already of the status of Jesus at least in essence or qualitatively. But before going into details of evolution, as a precautionary measure,let me repeat what I had written before.This evolution into Ram is only after we correct our calendar which gives us the sense of correct time, as I have mentioned as below: <Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far.> Let me summarise the issue this time, so we understand what is Ram, what is Sita and what is Ayodhya.In Raja yoga they draw chakras seven in numbers and they repesent these, with symbols of lotuses or chakras seven in numbers at various locations along the spine to the top of the head.The sixth chakra shown at the forehead is known as Agya chakra.This is represented as a triangle with two petals of lotus one on each side of the triangle.Inside the triangle the 'Aum' symbol is written. The two petals on the outside of the triangle, are said to be 'para'dristi(steller vision) and 'apara' dristi (non steller or solar vision).Here the triangle is Ayodhya with the three sides representing the three queens of Dasaratha.The Aum symbol inside the triangle is Sita Ram in the triangle of Ayodhya.When we write Aum you will remember we first write the three lines meeting at one point. Then we write Chandra bindu. The three crooked lines meeting at one point is Sita or trigunatmak prakriti i.e. mother Nautre with the three qualities.Then Chandra bindu is Ram chandra.Thus the Aum written within the triangle, represents Sita Ram ruling in Ayodhya. Now coming to Jesus,if you have read of the description of the crucifixion of Jesus, you will remember, after Jesus was crucified on the cross with the three top sides, his body was taken to a cave.From this cave he is said to have risen on the third day which was a Sunday.The cave can be considered as the triangle,when he rises form the cave it is the moon or crescent separating from the earth or dead body and carrying the body along with it.After forty days he is said to have ascended to heaven, this ascension can be considered to be dissolving into the bindu or space or the nirakar universal spirit. In the Ramayan, this is known as victory of Ram or Vijya dasami which is also celebrated till the full moon day. Thus dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji,if you do sadhana of yoga, specially Karma yoga or the yoga of Duty, you can evolve in to the state of Ram or Jesus and join with the father in heaven, the universal spirit, we call as Brahmah. We then become Him. Tat Twam Asi.Thou art That.Thus our religion aspires to make us Jesus and Ram, even if it takes several lives to achieve it. Let me conclude that the fourteen years of Banabaas of Ram is only the time analysis of our vedic calendar system. Thus if we do not correct our calendar, we perhaps cannot achieve the victory of Ram.So let us study where our vedic calendar has gone wrong and try to put it back where it is supposed to be.We can perhaps discuss this in the next mail, if you so desire.Thank you, sincerely yours, Hari Malla parvasudhar2065 , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote: > > , ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@> wrote: > > very interesting post Shri Harimalla. > Can you kindly explain, how can one evolve into a Christ ? > And you talk about Krishna and quote him saying that everything leads to him. > Have you studied Gita? If so, in 18 chapters of Gita, can you be kind enoughto tell us which other book talks at length, the way Gita  talks  and what are all the comparisons with other theologies?  Since you havebeen one doing a comaparitive study of religions, it might be easy? > cheers > > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote: > > harimalla@ <harimalla@> > Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Gopal Narayan, > > What you say is also true.Lord Krishna says all paths leads to Him. As long as humans are trying to go to him and not away from him, they are all equal in his eyes, may not be so in our eyes. > > For example, although hinduism is so elaboarate and liberal,I find they are not as moral as the judeo-christians, in the practical sense. > > Thus something we have, something else they have.Our philosophy is definitely higher,but in practice we may not be as perfect. It may also depends on the indvidual person rather than the religion itself. > > > > One thing I would like to point out is how we are backward in practice. > > Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far. They, the Christians, set it right in a simpler way four hundred years back by pope Gregory by correcting ten days in their calendar.Our system is more complicated due to coordination of the seasonal, solar and the lunar dates, thus we have not been able to settle it even after two hundred years of discussions. But our philosophy still remains uncontested. The ultimate goal of our religion is not to make a simple moral christian, but to evolve into Christ himself,by the by, life after life.Thus also this is a more difficult task. > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > all religion r not equal. > > > > > > u cant equate judeo-christianity/ islam to hinduism which is liberal. > > > > > > > > > they make false claim that only their path is true and all > > > otehrs may burn in imaginary hell,for not following their > > > exclusive path. > > > > > > pls visit foll sites to know truth : > > > > > > > > > pls spread this knowledge to all. > > > > > > www.islam-watch. org > > > > > > > > > www.faithfreedom. org > > > > > > > > > www.evilbible. com > > > > > > > > > www.nobeliefs. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shakti > > > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear joanelyia, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > Yes all religions are equal,but we also have some religions which are more > > > > developed in analysis of spiritual experiences, in the sense the concept are > > > > more developed or refined and others are more premitive.Having made some > > > > attempts at religous studies,I think so. > > > > For example,we have ten incarnations, das avatar in which God incarnates as > > > > various stages including Ram, krishna, Buddha and Kalki.The concept of only > > > > Jesus saving every body, will be modified as time passes.He is, in my view, > > > > of the stage of Ram only.Ram's remaining in the cave of Sugriva in the > > > > thirteenth year of his banabas is the stage of crucifixion, coming out of the > > > > cave is of the stage of resurection and his victory is of the stage of > > > > ascension of Jesus.Thus in my view resurrection is the separation of the > > > > spirit from the body and ascension is actually dissolution into space or > > > > mokshya.The second coming of Jesus in the new Jerusalem is something like > > > > the stage of Kalki in the golden age.This is also known as millenium as > > > > describd by apostle John.In this he has also mentioned about Gog Megog which > > > > in Kalki purana is described as Kok Bikok.they should mean the same. > > > > Regards, > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com<om_namah_shivaya_ group%40gro ups.com>, > > > > " joanelyia " <joanelyia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > I came ac11111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111ross > > > > the following Newsweek article and wanted to share: > > > > > > > > > > By Lisa Miller | NEWSWEEK > > > > > Published Aug 15, 2009 > > > > > From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded > > > > by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to > > > > identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American > > > > history). Of course, we are not a Hindu†" or Muslim, or Jewish, or > > > > Wiccan†" nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a > > > > fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that > > > > conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less > > > > like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each > > > > other, and eternity. > > > > > > > > > > The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: " Truth is One, > > > > but the sages speak of it by many names. " A Hindu believes there are many > > > > paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a > > > > third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, > > > > conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn > > > > in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus > > > > said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father > > > > except through me. " > > > > > > > > > > Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, > > > > 65 percent of us believe that " many religions can lead to eternal > > > > life " †" including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to > > > > believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek > > > > spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call > > > > themselves " spiritual, not religious, " according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up > > > > from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston > > > > University, has long framed the American propensity for " the > > > > divine-deli- cafeteria religion " as " very much in the spirit of Hinduism. > > > > You're not picking and choosing from different religions, because they're > > > > all the same, " he says. " It isn't about orthodoxy. It's about whatever > > > > works. If going to yoga works, great†" and if going to Catholic mass works, > > > > great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat > > > > works, that's great, too. " > > > > > > > > > > Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians > > > > traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they > > > > comprise the " self, " and that at the end of time they will be reunited in > > > > the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. > > > > Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the > > > > spirit†" where identity resides†" escapes. In reincarnation, central to > > > > Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So > > > > here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent > > > > of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris > > > > poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we're > > > > burning them†" like Hindus†" after death. More than a third of Americans now > > > > choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, > > > > up from 6 percent in 1975. " I do think the more spiritual role of religion > > > > tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the > > > > Resurrection, " agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at > > > > Harvard. So let us all say " om. " > > > > > > > > > > Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay! > > > > > > > > > > joanelyia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > --- End forwarded message --- > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 hello,I thought I asked a simple question and was hoping to read somethingthat will give some clarity to my mind / thinking process.Sad, but, that what I could read meant nothing to me. I can see a lot of wordsbut it does not communicate anything." Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan represents Bhakti yoga"Do you have any reason, logic or any other information to support your this statement? When one becomes Ram, he becomes Jesus in essenseor qualitatively...:.what does it mean? every sentence we write is expected to convey some thought. But in your case, you have written so much, but for a layman like me, i get "nothing"- no information at all -.would it not be nice to say in simple language what you want to say?cheers--- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:harimalla <harimallaFwd: Re: Re: So Let Us All Say "OM" Date: Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 12:22 PM parvasudhar2065, "harimalla@. .." <harimalla@. ..> wrote: Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, Namaskar! Since your name is Ram mohan anantha, I think you should understand this issue very well.In my view Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan or Krishna represents Bhakti yoga.When one becomes Ram, as you are, he is already of the status of Jesus at least in essence or qualitatively. But before going into details of evolution, as a precautionary measure,let me repeat what I had written before.This evolution into Ram is only after we correct our calendar which gives us the sense of correct time, as I have mentioned as below: <Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far.> Let me summarise the issue this time, so we understand what is Ram, what is Sita and what is Ayodhya.In Raja yoga they draw chakras seven in numbers and they repesent these, with symbols of lotuses or chakras seven in numbers at various locations along the spine to the top of the head.The sixth chakra shown at the forehead is known as Agya chakra.This is represented as a triangle with two petals of lotus one on each side of the triangle.Inside the triangle the 'Aum' symbol is written. The two petals on the outside of the triangle, are said to be 'para'dristi( steller vision) and 'apara' dristi (non steller or solar vision).Here the triangle is Ayodhya with the three sides representing the three queens of Dasaratha.The Aum symbol inside the triangle is Sita Ram in the triangle of Ayodhya.When we write Aum you will remember we first write the three lines meeting at one point. Then we write Chandra bindu. The three crooked lines meeting at one point is Sita or trigunatmak prakriti i.e. mother Nautre with the three qualities.Then Chandra bindu is Ram chandra.Thus the Aum written within the triangle, represents Sita Ram ruling in Ayodhya. Now coming to Jesus,if you have read of the description of the crucifixion of Jesus, you will remember, after Jesus was crucified on the cross with the three top sides, his body was taken to a cave.From this cave he is said to have risen on the third day which was a Sunday.The cave can be considered as the triangle,when he rises form the cave it is the moon or crescent separating from the earth or dead body and carrying the body along with it.After forty days he is said to have ascended to heaven, this ascension can be considered to be dissolving into the bindu or space or the nirakar universal spirit. In the Ramayan, this is known as victory of Ram or Vijya dasami which is also celebrated till the full moon day. Thus dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji,if you do sadhana of yoga, specially Karma yoga or the yoga of Duty, you can evolve in to the state of Ram or Jesus and join with the father in heaven, the universal spirit, we call as Brahmah. We then become Him. Tat Twam Asi.Thou art That.Thus our religion aspires to make us Jesus and Ram, even if it takes several lives to achieve it. Let me conclude that the fourteen years of Banabaas of Ram is only the time analysis of our vedic calendar system. Thus if we do not correct our calendar, we perhaps cannot achieve the victory of Ram.So let us study where our vedic calendar has gone wrong and try to put it back where it is supposed to be.We can perhaps discuss this in the next mail, if you so desire.Thank you, sincerely yours, Hari Malla parvasudhar2065, "harimalla@" <harimalla@> wrote: > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@> wrote: > > very interesting post Shri Harimalla. > Can you kindly explain, how can one evolve into a Christ ? > And you talk about Krishna and quote him saying that everything leads to him. > Have you studied Gita? If so, in 18 chapters of Gita, can you be kind enoughto tell us which other book talks at length, the way Gita  talks  and what are all the comparisons with other theologies?  Since you havebeen one doing a comaparitive study of religions, it might be easy? > cheers > > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote: > > harimalla@ <harimalla@> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say "OM" > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Gopal Narayan, > > What you say is also true.Lord Krishna says all paths leads to Him. As long as humans are trying to go to him and not away from him, they are all equal in his eyes, may not be so in our eyes. > > For example, although hinduism is so elaboarate and liberal,I find they are not as moral as the judeo-christians, in the practical sense. > > Thus something we have, something else they have.Our philosophy is definitely higher,but in practice we may not be as perfect. It may also depends on the indvidual person rather than the religion itself. > > > > One thing I would like to point out is how we are backward in practice. > > Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far. They, the Christians, set it right in a simpler way four hundred years back by pope Gregory by correcting ten days in their calendar.Our system is more complicated due to coordination of the seasonal, solar and the lunar dates, thus we have not been able to settle it even after two hundred years of discussions. But our philosophy still remains uncontested. The ultimate goal of our religion is not to make a simple moral christian, but to evolve into Christ himself,by the by, life after life.Thus also this is a more difficult task. > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > all religion r not equal. > > > > > > u cant equate judeo-christianity/ islam to hinduism which is liberal. > > > > > > > > > they make false claim that only their path is true and all > > > otehrs may burn in imaginary hell,for not following their > > > exclusive path. > > > > > > pls visit foll sites to know truth : > > > > > > > > > pls spread this knowledge to all. > > > > > > www.islam-watch. org > > > > > > > > > www.faithfreedom. org > > > > > > > > > www.evilbible. com > > > > > > > > > www.nobeliefs. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shakti > > > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear joanelyia, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > Yes all religions are equal,but we also have some religions which are more > > > > developed in analysis of spiritual experiences, in the sense the concept are > > > > more developed or refined and others are more premitive.Having made some > > > > attempts at religous studies,I think so. > > > > For example,we have ten incarnations, das avatar in which God incarnates as > > > > various stages including Ram, krishna, Buddha and Kalki.The concept of only > > > > Jesus saving every body, will be modified as time passes.He is, in my view, > > > > of the stage of Ram only.Ram's remaining in the cave of Sugriva in the > > > > thirteenth year of his banabas is the stage of crucifixion, coming out of the > > > > cave is of the stage of resurection and his victory is of the stage of > > > > ascension of Jesus.Thus in my view resurrection is the separation of the > > > > spirit from the body and ascension is actually dissolution into space or > > > > mokshya.The second coming of Jesus in the new Jerusalem is something like > > > > the stage of Kalki in the golden age.This is also known as millenium as > > > > describd by apostle John.In this he has also mentioned about Gog Megog which > > > > in Kalki purana is described as Kok Bikok.they should mean the same. > > > > Regards, > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com<om_namah_ shivaya_ group%40gro ups.com>, > > > > "joanelyia" <joanelyia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > I came ac11111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111ross > > > > the following Newsweek article and wanted to share: > > > > > > > > > > By Lisa Miller | NEWSWEEK > > > > > Published Aug 15, 2009 > > > > > From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded > > > > by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to > > > > identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American > > > > history). Of course, we are not a Hinduâ€"or Muslim, or Jewish, or > > > > Wiccanâ€"nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a > > > > fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that > > > > conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less > > > > like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each > > > > other, and eternity. > > > > > > > > > > The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: "Truth is One, > > > > but the sages speak of it by many names." A Hindu believes there are many > > > > paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a > > > > third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, > > > > conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn > > > > in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus > > > > said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father > > > > except through me." > > > > > > > > > > Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, > > > > 65 percent of us believe that "many religions can lead to eternal > > > > life"â€"including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to > > > > believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek > > > > spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call > > > > themselves "spiritual, not religious," according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up > > > > from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston > > > > University, has long framed the American propensity for "the > > > > divine-deli- cafeteria religion" as "very much in the spirit of Hinduism. > > > > You're not picking and choosing from different religions, because they're > > > > all the same," he says. "It isn't about orthodoxy. It's about whatever > > > > works. If going to yoga works, greatâ€"and if going to Catholic mass works, > > > > great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat > > > > works, that's great, too." > > > > > > > > > > Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians > > > > traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they > > > > comprise the "self," and that at the end of time they will be reunited in > > > > the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. > > > > Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the > > > > spiritâ€"where identity residesâ€"escapes. In reincarnation, central to > > > > Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So > > > > here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent > > > > of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris > > > > poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we're > > > > burning themâ€"like Hindusâ€"after death. More than a third of Americans now > > > > choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, > > > > up from 6 percent in 1975. "I do think the more spiritual role of religion > > > > tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the > > > > Resurrection, " agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at > > > > Harvard. So let us all say "om." > > > > > > > > > > Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay! > > > > > > > > > > joanelyia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > --- End forwarded message --- > --- End forwarded message --- Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Ram mohan anantha paiji, Namaskar! Sorry for jumbling up things.But you had a ambitious question too.How to evolve into a Christ? Yes I wil try to be simple and clear cut now . Thank you for giving your suggestion.I will surely try to do accordingly. Firstly evolution either physical or spiritual is a lengthy process.Thus the best example of evolution is given by our Dasa Avatar concept.I guess you know them, they are Fish,tortoise,wild boar, man lion, dwarf, Ram with the axe,Ram chandra, Krishna,Buddha and Kalki.These are the ten incarnation categorised by Shankaracharya.They are the stages we are supposed to evolve through till we reach the ultimate.After that we safely return to our eternal home or our true Self, which is the identification with the universe.From the above you wil know that it must be taking many manylives to fisih our trip on earth, as a living creature. so much for today.We shall contiue after you give memore hint how i should proceed. thank you, Hari Malla , ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr wrote: > > hello, > > I thought I asked a simple question and was hoping to read something > that will give some clarity to my mind / thinking process. > > Sad, but, that what I could read meant nothing to me. I can see a lot of words > but it does not communicate anything. > > " Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan represents Bhakti yoga " > Do you have any reason, logic or any other information to support your > this statement?  When one becomes Ram, he becomes Jesus in essense > or qualitatively...:. > > what does it mean? > > every sentence we write is expected to convey some thought. But in your > case, you have written so much, but for a layman like me, i get " nothing " > - no information at all -. > > would it not be nice to say in simple language what you want to say? > > cheers > > > > --- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote: > > harimalla <harimalla > Fwd: Re: Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 12:22 PM  > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, > > Namaskar! Since your name is Ram mohan anantha, I think you should understand this issue very well.In my view Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan or Krishna represents Bhakti yoga.When one becomes Ram, as you are, he is already of the status of Jesus at least in essence or qualitatively. > > But before going into details of evolution, as a precautionary measure,let me repeat what I had written before.This evolution into Ram is only after we correct our calendar which gives us the sense of correct time, as I have mentioned as below: > > > > <Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis > > for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for > > nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far.> > > > > Let me summarise the issue this time, so we understand what is Ram, what is Sita and what is Ayodhya.In Raja yoga they draw chakras seven in numbers and they repesent these, with symbols of lotuses or chakras seven in numbers at various locations along the spine to the top of the head.The sixth chakra shown at the forehead is known as Agya chakra.This is represented as a triangle with two petals of lotus one on each side of the triangle.Inside the triangle the 'Aum' symbol is written. The two petals on the outside of the triangle, are said to be 'para'dristi( steller vision) and 'apara' dristi (non steller or solar vision).Here the triangle is Ayodhya with the three sides representing the three queens of Dasaratha.The Aum symbol inside the triangle is Sita Ram in the triangle of Ayodhya.When we write Aum you will remember we first write the three lines meeting at one point. Then we write Chandra bindu. The three crooked lines meeting at one point is > Sita or trigunatmak prakriti i.e. mother Nautre with the three qualities.Then Chandra bindu is Ram chandra.Thus the Aum written within the triangle, represents Sita Ram ruling in Ayodhya. > > Now coming to Jesus,if you have read of the description of the crucifixion of Jesus, you will remember, after Jesus was crucified on the cross with the three top sides, his body was taken to a cave.From this cave he is said to have risen on the third day which was a Sunday.The cave can be considered as the triangle,when he rises form the cave it is the moon or crescent separating from the earth or dead body and carrying the body along with it.After forty days he is said to have ascended to heaven, this ascension can be considered to be dissolving into the bindu or space or the nirakar universal spirit. In the Ramayan, this is known as victory of Ram or Vijya dasami which is also celebrated till the full moon day. > > Thus dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji,if you do sadhana of yoga, specially Karma yoga or the yoga of Duty, you can evolve in to the state of Ram or Jesus and join with the father in heaven, the universal spirit, we call as Brahmah. We then become Him. Tat Twam Asi.Thou art That.Thus our religion aspires to make us Jesus and Ram, even if it takes several lives to achieve it. > > Let me conclude that the fourteen years of Banabaas of Ram is only the time analysis of our vedic calendar system. Thus if we do not correct our calendar, we perhaps cannot achieve the victory of Ram.So let us study where our vedic calendar has gone wrong and try to put it back where it is supposed to be.We can perhaps discuss this in the next mail, if you so desire.Thank you, > > sincerely yours, > > Hari Malla > > > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@> wrote: > > > > > > very interesting post Shri Harimalla. > > > Can you kindly explain, how can one evolve into a Christ ? > > > And you talk about Krishna and quote him saying that everything leads to him. > > > Have you studied Gita? If so, in 18 chapters of Gita, can you be kind enoughto tell us which other book talks at length, the way Gita  talks  and what are all the comparisons with other theologies?  Since you havebeen one doing a comaparitive study of religions, it might be easy? > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > harimalla@ <harimalla@> > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopal Narayan, > > > > > > What you say is also true.Lord Krishna says all paths leads to Him. As long as humans are trying to go to him and not away from him, they are all equal in his eyes, may not be so in our eyes. > > > > > > For example, although hinduism is so elaboarate and liberal,I find they are not as moral as the judeo-christians, in the practical sense. > > > > > > Thus something we have, something else they have.Our philosophy is definitely higher,but in practice we may not be as perfect. It may also depends on the indvidual person rather than the religion itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I would like to point out is how we are backward in practice. > > > > > > Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far. They, the Christians, set it right in a simpler way four hundred years back by pope Gregory by correcting ten days in their calendar.Our system is more complicated due to coordination of the seasonal, solar and the lunar dates, thus we have not been able to settle it even after two hundred years of discussions. But our philosophy still remains uncontested. The ultimate goal of our religion is not to make a simple moral christian, but to evolve into Christ himself,by the by, life after life.Thus also this is a more difficult task. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all religion r not equal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u cant equate judeo-christianity/ islam to hinduism which is liberal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make false claim that only their path is true and all > > > > > > > otehrs may burn in imaginary hell,for not following their > > > > > > > exclusive path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls visit foll sites to know truth : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls spread this knowledge to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.islam-watch. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.faithfreedom. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.evilbible. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nobeliefs. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shakti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear joanelyia, > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > Yes all religions are equal,but we also have some religions which are more > > > > > > > > developed in analysis of spiritual experiences, in the sense the concept are > > > > > > > > more developed or refined and others are more premitive.Having made some > > > > > > > > attempts at religous studies,I think so. > > > > > > > > For example,we have ten incarnations, das avatar in which God incarnates as > > > > > > > > various stages including Ram, krishna, Buddha and Kalki.The concept of only > > > > > > > > Jesus saving every body, will be modified as time passes.He is, in my view, > > > > > > > > of the stage of Ram only.Ram's remaining in the cave of Sugriva in the > > > > > > > > thirteenth year of his banabas is the stage of crucifixion, coming out of the > > > > > > > > cave is of the stage of resurection and his victory is of the stage of > > > > > > > > ascension of Jesus.Thus in my view resurrection is the separation of the > > > > > > > > spirit from the body and ascension is actually dissolution into space or > > > > > > > > mokshya.The second coming of Jesus in the new Jerusalem is something like > > > > > > > > the stage of Kalki in the golden age.This is also known as millenium as > > > > > > > > describd by apostle John.In this he has also mentioned about Gog Megog which > > > > > > > > in Kalki purana is described as Kok Bikok.they should mean the same. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com<om_namah_ shivaya_ group%40gro ups.com>, > > > > > > > > " joanelyia " <joanelyia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came ac11111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111ross > > > > > > > > the following Newsweek article and wanted to share: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Lisa Miller | NEWSWEEK > > > > > > > > > Published Aug 15, 2009 > > > > > > > > > From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded > > > > > > > > by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to > > > > > > > > identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American > > > > > > > > history). Of course, we are not a Hindu†" or Muslim, or Jewish, or > > > > > > > > Wiccan†" nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a > > > > > > > > fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that > > > > > > > > conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less > > > > > > > > like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each > > > > > > > > other, and eternity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: " Truth is One, > > > > > > > > but the sages speak of it by many names. " A Hindu believes there are many > > > > > > > > paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a > > > > > > > > third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, > > > > > > > > conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn > > > > > > > > in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus > > > > > > > > said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father > > > > > > > > except through me. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, > > > > > > > > 65 percent of us believe that " many religions can lead to eternal > > > > > > > > life " †" including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to > > > > > > > > believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek > > > > > > > > spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call > > > > > > > > themselves " spiritual, not religious, " according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up > > > > > > > > from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston > > > > > > > > University, has long framed the American propensity for " the > > > > > > > > divine-deli- cafeteria religion " as " very much in the spirit of Hinduism. > > > > > > > > You're not picking and choosing from different religions, because they're > > > > > > > > all the same, " he says. " It isn't about orthodoxy. It's about whatever > > > > > > > > works. If going to yoga works, great†" and if going to Catholic mass works, > > > > > > > > great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat > > > > > > > > works, that's great, too. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians > > > > > > > > traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they > > > > > > > > comprise the " self, " and that at the end of time they will be reunited in > > > > > > > > the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. > > > > > > > > Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the > > > > > > > > spirit†" where identity resides†" escapes. In reincarnation, central to > > > > > > > > Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So > > > > > > > > here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent > > > > > > > > of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris > > > > > > > > poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we're > > > > > > > > burning them†" like Hindus†" after death. More than a third of Americans now > > > > > > > > choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, > > > > > > > > up from 6 percent in 1975. " I do think the more spiritual role of religion > > > > > > > > tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the > > > > > > > > Resurrection, " agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at > > > > > > > > Harvard. So let us all say " om. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joanelyia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hariji,My question was 'born' out of your post. When I read your post, and when I couldnot understand what you say, I requested you to kindly explain. And I am waitingfor that.what you have written in this post - part 1 of the reply is not confusing to me. waiting for the remaining parts, thru which you explain what you wanted to say.cheers--- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:harimalla <harimallaFwd: Re: Re: So Let Us All Say "OM" Date: Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 9:49 PM Dear Ram mohan anantha paiji, Namaskar! Sorry for jumbling up things.But you had a ambitious question too.How to evolve into a Christ? Yes I wil try to be simple and clear cut now . Thank you for giving your suggestion.I will surely try to do accordingly. Firstly evolution either physical or spiritual is a lengthy process.Thus the best example of evolution is given by our Dasa Avatar concept.I guess you know them, they are Fish,tortoise, wild boar, man lion, dwarf, Ram with the axe,Ram chandra, Krishna,Buddha and Kalki.These are the ten incarnation categorised by Shankaracharya. They are the stages we are supposed to evolve through till we reach the ultimate.After that we safely return to our eternal home or our true Self, which is the identification with the universe.From the above you wil know that it must be taking many manylives to fisih our trip on earth, as a living creature. so much for today.We shall contiue after you give memore hint how i should proceed. thank you, Hari Malla om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@. ..> wrote: > > hello, > > I thought I asked a simple question and was hoping to read something > that will give some clarity to my mind / thinking process. > > Sad, but, that what I could read meant nothing to me. I can see a lot of words > but it does not communicate anything. > > " Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan represents Bhakti yoga" > Do you have any reason, logic or any other information to support your > this statement?  When one becomes Ram, he becomes Jesus in essense > or qualitatively. ..:. > > what does it mean? > > every sentence we write is expected to convey some thought. But in your > case, you have written so much, but for a layman like me, i get "nothing" > - no information at all -. > > would it not be nice to say in simple language what you want to say? > > cheers > > > > --- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..> wrote: > > harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..> > Fwd: Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say "OM" > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 12:22 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, "harimalla@ .." <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, > > Namaskar! Since your name is Ram mohan anantha, I think you should understand this issue very well.In my view Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan or Krishna represents Bhakti yoga.When one becomes Ram, as you are, he is already of the status of Jesus at least in essence or qualitatively. > > But before going into details of evolution, as a precautionary measure,let me repeat what I had written before.This evolution into Ram is only after we correct our calendar which gives us the sense of correct time, as I have mentioned as below: > > > > <Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis > > for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for > > nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far.> > > > > Let me summarise the issue this time, so we understand what is Ram, what is Sita and what is Ayodhya.In Raja yoga they draw chakras seven in numbers and they repesent these, with symbols of lotuses or chakras seven in numbers at various locations along the spine to the top of the head.The sixth chakra shown at the forehead is known as Agya chakra.This is represented as a triangle with two petals of lotus one on each side of the triangle.Inside the triangle the 'Aum' symbol is written. The two petals on the outside of the triangle, are said to be 'para'dristi( steller vision) and 'apara' dristi (non steller or solar vision).Here the triangle is Ayodhya with the three sides representing the three queens of Dasaratha.The Aum symbol inside the triangle is Sita Ram in the triangle of Ayodhya.When we write Aum you will remember we first write the three lines meeting at one point. Then we write Chandra bindu. The three crooked lines meeting at one point is > Sita or trigunatmak prakriti i.e. mother Nautre with the three qualities.Then Chandra bindu is Ram chandra.Thus the Aum written within the triangle, represents Sita Ram ruling in Ayodhya. > > Now coming to Jesus,if you have read of the description of the crucifixion of Jesus, you will remember, after Jesus was crucified on the cross with the three top sides, his body was taken to a cave.From this cave he is said to have risen on the third day which was a Sunday.The cave can be considered as the triangle,when he rises form the cave it is the moon or crescent separating from the earth or dead body and carrying the body along with it.After forty days he is said to have ascended to heaven, this ascension can be considered to be dissolving into the bindu or space or the nirakar universal spirit. In the Ramayan, this is known as victory of Ram or Vijya dasami which is also celebrated till the full moon day. > > Thus dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji,if you do sadhana of yoga, specially Karma yoga or the yoga of Duty, you can evolve in to the state of Ram or Jesus and join with the father in heaven, the universal spirit, we call as Brahmah. We then become Him. Tat Twam Asi.Thou art That.Thus our religion aspires to make us Jesus and Ram, even if it takes several lives to achieve it. > > Let me conclude that the fourteen years of Banabaas of Ram is only the time analysis of our vedic calendar system. Thus if we do not correct our calendar, we perhaps cannot achieve the victory of Ram.So let us study where our vedic calendar has gone wrong and try to put it back where it is supposed to be.We can perhaps discuss this in the next mail, if you so desire.Thank you, > > sincerely yours, > > Hari Malla > > > > parvasudhar2065, "harimalla@" <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@> wrote: > > > > > > very interesting post Shri Harimalla. > > > Can you kindly explain, how can one evolve into a Christ ? > > > And you talk about Krishna and quote him saying that everything leads to him. > > > Have you studied Gita? If so, in 18 chapters of Gita, can you be kind enoughto tell us which other book talks at length, the way Gita  talks  and what are all the comparisons with other theologies?  Since you havebeen one doing a comaparitive study of religions, it might be easy? > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > harimalla@ <harimalla@> > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say "OM" > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopal Narayan, > > > > > > What you say is also true.Lord Krishna says all paths leads to Him. As long as humans are trying to go to him and not away from him, they are all equal in his eyes, may not be so in our eyes. > > > > > > For example, although hinduism is so elaboarate and liberal,I find they are not as moral as the judeo-christians, in the practical sense. > > > > > > Thus something we have, something else they have.Our philosophy is definitely higher,but in practice we may not be as perfect. It may also depends on the indvidual person rather than the religion itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I would like to point out is how we are backward in practice. > > > > > > Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far. They, the Christians, set it right in a simpler way four hundred years back by pope Gregory by correcting ten days in their calendar.Our system is more complicated due to coordination of the seasonal, solar and the lunar dates, thus we have not been able to settle it even after two hundred years of discussions. But our philosophy still remains uncontested. The ultimate goal of our religion is not to make a simple moral christian, but to evolve into Christ himself,by the by, life after life.Thus also this is a more difficult task. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all religion r not equal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u cant equate judeo-christianity/ islam to hinduism which is liberal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make false claim that only their path is true and all > > > > > > > otehrs may burn in imaginary hell,for not following their > > > > > > > exclusive path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls visit foll sites to know truth : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls spread this knowledge to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.islam-watch. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.faithfreedom. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.evilbible. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nobeliefs. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shakti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear joanelyia, > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > Yes all religions are equal,but we also have some religions which are more > > > > > > > > developed in analysis of spiritual experiences, in the sense the concept are > > > > > > > > more developed or refined and others are more premitive.Having made some > > > > > > > > attempts at religous studies,I think so. > > > > > > > > For example,we have ten incarnations, das avatar in which God incarnates as > > > > > > > > various stages including Ram, krishna, Buddha and Kalki.The concept of only > > > > > > > > Jesus saving every body, will be modified as time passes.He is, in my view, > > > > > > > > of the stage of Ram only.Ram's remaining in the cave of Sugriva in the > > > > > > > > thirteenth year of his banabas is the stage of crucifixion, coming out of the > > > > > > > > cave is of the stage of resurection and his victory is of the stage of > > > > > > > > ascension of Jesus.Thus in my view resurrection is the separation of the > > > > > > > > spirit from the body and ascension is actually dissolution into space or > > > > > > > > mokshya.The second coming of Jesus in the new Jerusalem is something like > > > > > > > > the stage of Kalki in the golden age.This is also known as millenium as > > > > > > > > describd by apostle John.In this he has also mentioned about Gog Megog which > > > > > > > > in Kalki purana is described as Kok Bikok.they should mean the same. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com<om_namah_ shivaya_ group%40gro ups.com>, > > > > > > > > "joanelyia" <joanelyia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came ac11111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111ross > > > > > > > > the following Newsweek article and wanted to share: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Lisa Miller | NEWSWEEK > > > > > > > > > Published Aug 15, 2009 > > > > > > > > > From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded > > > > > > > > by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to > > > > > > > > identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American > > > > > > > > history). Of course, we are not a Hinduâ€"or Muslim, or Jewish, or > > > > > > > > Wiccanâ€"nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a > > > > > > > > fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that > > > > > > > > conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less > > > > > > > > like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each > > > > > > > > other, and eternity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: "Truth is One, > > > > > > > > but the sages speak of it by many names." A Hindu believes there are many > > > > > > > > paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a > > > > > > > > third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, > > > > > > > > conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn > > > > > > > > in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus > > > > > > > > said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father > > > > > > > > except through me." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, > > > > > > > > 65 percent of us believe that "many religions can lead to eternal > > > > > > > > life"â€"including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to > > > > > > > > believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek > > > > > > > > spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call > > > > > > > > themselves "spiritual, not religious," according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up > > > > > > > > from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston > > > > > > > > University, has long framed the American propensity for "the > > > > > > > > divine-deli- cafeteria religion" as "very much in the spirit of Hinduism. > > > > > > > > You're not picking and choosing from different religions, because they're > > > > > > > > all the same," he says. "It isn't about orthodoxy. It's about whatever > > > > > > > > works. If going to yoga works, greatâ€"and if going to Catholic mass works, > > > > > > > > great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat > > > > > > > > works, that's great, too." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians > > > > > > > > traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they > > > > > > > > comprise the "self," and that at the end of time they will be reunited in > > > > > > > > the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. > > > > > > > > Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the > > > > > > > > spiritâ€"where identity residesâ€"escapes. In reincarnation, central to > > > > > > > > Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So > > > > > > > > here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent > > > > > > > > of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris > > > > > > > > poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we're > > > > > > > > burning themâ€"like Hindusâ€"after death. More than a third of Americans now > > > > > > > > choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, > > > > > > > > up from 6 percent in 1975. "I do think the more spiritual role of religion > > > > > > > > tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the > > > > > > > > Resurrection, " agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at > > > > > > > > Harvard. 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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, Thank you for saying the first part is understood. Let me say further, that the scale of the ten incarnation is for me the grand scale of measuring, the stage of evolution in which a person is.Thus haveing tried to understandd the meanings of the ten categories,it becomes scientifically clear where a prophet stands.In a simple way I have understood the ten stages as follows, fish as the act of sleeping,tortoise as the act of knowing good and bad,boar as the act of working for the daily bread,Man lion as the act of social work,dwarf as practising humility, parsuram as the act of sipiritual discrimintion,Ram as karma yoga,Krishna as Bhakti yoga, Buddha as gyan yoga and finally Kalki as Raja yoga.The last four categories is identified as Ram, Krishna , Buddha and Kalki respectively and are represantative of the four yugas Treta, dwapar, kali and satya yugas.Thus I said, < Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan represents Bhakti yoga " Do you have any reason, logic or any other information to support your this statement? When one becomes Ram, he becomes Jesus in essense or qualitatively...:.> There are several parallels to conclude that Jesus belonged to the stage of Ram, starting from the serving others as the prime duty or key words of the Christian religious concept.Let us leave this for teh next mail.thank you, Regards, Hari Malla , ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr wrote: > > Hariji, > > My question was 'born' out of your post. When I read your post, and when I could > not understand what you say, I requested you to kindly explain. And I am waiting > for that. > > what you have written in this post - part 1 of the reply is not confusing to me. > > waiting for the remaining parts, thru which you explain what you wanted to say. > > cheers > > > --- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote: > > harimalla <harimalla > Fwd: Re: Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 9:49 PM  > > > > > > Dear Ram mohan anantha paiji, > > Namaskar! Sorry for jumbling up things.But you had a ambitious question too.How to evolve into a Christ? Yes I wil try to be simple and clear cut now . Thank you for giving your suggestion.I will surely try to do accordingly. > > Firstly evolution either physical or spiritual is a lengthy process.Thus the best example of evolution is given by our Dasa Avatar concept.I guess you know them, they are Fish,tortoise, wild boar, man lion, dwarf, Ram with the axe,Ram chandra, > > Krishna,Buddha and Kalki.These are the ten incarnation categorised by Shankaracharya. They are the stages we are supposed to evolve through till we reach the ultimate.After that we safely return to our eternal home or our true Self, which is the identification with the universe.From the above you wil know that it must be taking many manylives to fisih our trip on earth, as a living creature. > > so much for today.We shall contiue after you give memore hint how i should proceed. > > thank you, > > Hari Malla > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > I thought I asked a simple question and was hoping to read something > > > that will give some clarity to my mind / thinking process. > > > > > > Sad, but, that what I could read meant nothing to me. I can see a lot of words > > > but it does not communicate anything. > > > > > > " Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan represents Bhakti yoga " > > > Do you have any reason, logic or any other information to support your > > > this statement?  When one becomes Ram, he becomes Jesus in essense > > > or qualitatively. ..:. > > > > > > what does it mean? > > > > > > every sentence we write is expected to convey some thought. But in your > > > case, you have written so much, but for a layman like me, i get " nothing " > > > - no information at all -. > > > > > > would it not be nice to say in simple language what you want to say? > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 19/8/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> > > > Fwd: Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 12:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji, > > > > > > Namaskar! Since your name is Ram mohan anantha, I think you should understand this issue very well.In my view Ram represents Karma yoga and Mohan or Krishna represents Bhakti yoga.When one becomes Ram, as you are, he is already of the status of Jesus at least in essence or qualitatively. > > > > > > But before going into details of evolution, as a precautionary measure,let me repeat what I had written before.This evolution into Ram is only after we correct our calendar which gives us the sense of correct time, as I have mentioned as below: > > > > > > > > > > > > <Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis > > > > > > for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for > > > > > > nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me summarise the issue this time, so we understand what is Ram, what is Sita and what is Ayodhya.In Raja yoga they draw chakras seven in numbers and they repesent these, with symbols of lotuses or chakras seven in numbers at various locations along the spine to the top of the head.The sixth chakra shown at the forehead is known as Agya chakra.This is represented as a triangle with two petals of lotus one on each side of the triangle.Inside the triangle the 'Aum' symbol is written. The two petals on the outside of the triangle, are said to be 'para'dristi( steller vision) and 'apara' dristi (non steller or solar vision).Here the triangle is Ayodhya with the three sides representing the three queens of Dasaratha.The Aum symbol inside the triangle is Sita Ram in the triangle of Ayodhya.When we write Aum you will remember we first write the three lines meeting at one point. Then we write Chandra bindu. The three crooked lines meeting at one point is > > > Sita or trigunatmak prakriti i.e. mother Nautre with the three qualities.Then Chandra bindu is Ram chandra.Thus the Aum written within the triangle, represents Sita Ram ruling in Ayodhya. > > > > > > Now coming to Jesus,if you have read of the description of the crucifixion of Jesus, you will remember, after Jesus was crucified on the cross with the three top sides, his body was taken to a cave.From this cave he is said to have risen on the third day which was a Sunday.The cave can be considered as the triangle,when he rises form the cave it is the moon or crescent separating from the earth or dead body and carrying the body along with it.After forty days he is said to have ascended to heaven, this ascension can be considered to be dissolving into the bindu or space or the nirakar universal spirit. In the Ramayan, this is known as victory of Ram or Vijya dasami which is also celebrated till the full moon day. > > > > > > Thus dear Ram mohan anantha Paiji,if you do sadhana of yoga, specially Karma yoga or the yoga of Duty, you can evolve in to the state of Ram or Jesus and join with the father in heaven, the universal spirit, we call as Brahmah. We then become Him. Tat Twam Asi.Thou art That.Thus our religion aspires to make us Jesus and Ram, even if it takes several lives to achieve it. > > > > > > Let me conclude that the fourteen years of Banabaas of Ram is only the time analysis of our vedic calendar system. Thus if we do not correct our calendar, we perhaps cannot achieve the victory of Ram.So let us study where our vedic calendar has gone wrong and try to put it back where it is supposed to be.We can perhaps discuss this in the next mail, if you so desire.Thank you, > > > > > > sincerely yours, > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very interesting post Shri Harimalla. > > > > > > > Can you kindly explain, how can one evolve into a Christ ? > > > > > > > And you talk about Krishna and quote him saying that everything leads to him. > > > > > > > Have you studied Gita? If so, in 18 chapters of Gita, can you be kind enoughto tell us which other book talks at length, the way Gita  talks  and what are all the comparisons with other theologies?  Since you havebeen one doing a comaparitive study of religions, it might be easy? > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, harimalla@ <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harimalla@ <harimalla@> > > > > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: So Let Us All Say " OM " > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > > > > > Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopal Narayan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say is also true.Lord Krishna says all paths leads to Him. As long as humans are trying to go to him and not away from him, they are all equal in his eyes, may not be so in our eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, although hinduism is so elaboarate and liberal,I find they are not as moral as the judeo-christians, in the practical sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus something we have, something else they have.Our philosophy is definitely higher,but in practice we may not be as perfect. It may also depends on the indvidual person rather than the religion itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I would like to point out is how we are backward in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take our festivals, they are out of sequence with the seasons set by the rishis for over five hundred years. Discussions to set it right has been going for nearly two hundred years now but we have not suceeded to correct them so far. They, the Christians, set it right in a simpler way four hundred years back by pope Gregory by correcting ten days in their calendar.Our system is more complicated due to coordination of the seasonal, solar and the lunar dates, thus we have not been able to settle it even after two hundred years of discussions. But our philosophy still remains uncontested. The ultimate goal of our religion is not to make a simple moral christian, but to evolve into Christ himself,by the by, life after life.Thus also this is a more difficult task. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all religion r not equal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u cant equate judeo-christianity/ islam to hinduism which is liberal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make false claim that only their path is true and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > otehrs may burn in imaginary hell,for not following their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls visit foll sites to know truth : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls spread this knowledge to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.islam-watch. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.faithfreedom. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.evilbible. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nobeliefs. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shakti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear joanelyia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes all religions are equal,but we also have some religions which are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed in analysis of spiritual experiences, in the sense the concept are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more developed or refined and others are more premitive.Having made some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attempts at religous studies,I think so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example,we have ten incarnations, das avatar in which God incarnates as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various stages including Ram, krishna, Buddha and Kalki.The concept of only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus saving every body, will be modified as time passes.He is, in my view, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the stage of Ram only.Ram's remaining in the cave of Sugriva in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thirteenth year of his banabas is the stage of crucifixion, coming out of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cave is of the stage of resurection and his victory is of the stage of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ascension of Jesus.Thus in my view resurrection is the separation of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirit from the body and ascension is actually dissolution into space or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mokshya.The second coming of Jesus in the new Jerusalem is something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the stage of Kalki in the golden age.This is also known as millenium as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describd by apostle John.In this he has also mentioned about Gog Megog which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Kalki purana is described as Kok Bikok.they should mean the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com<om_namah_ shivaya_ group%40gro ups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " joanelyia " <joanelyia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came ac11111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111111111 1111111111ross > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following Newsweek article and wanted to share: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By Lisa Miller | NEWSWEEK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Published Aug 15, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > history). Of course, we are not a Hindu†" or Muslim, or Jewish, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiccan†" nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other, and eternity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: " Truth is One, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the sages speak of it by many names. " A Hindu believes there are many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except through me. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 65 percent of us believe that " many religions can lead to eternal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life " †" including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves " spiritual, not religious, " according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > University, has long framed the American propensity for " the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine-deli- cafeteria religion " as " very much in the spirit of Hinduism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're not picking and choosing from different religions, because they're > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the same, " he says. " It isn't about orthodoxy. It's about whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works. If going to yoga works, great†" and if going to Catholic mass works, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works, that's great, too. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comprise the " self, " and that at the end of time they will be reunited in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirit†" where identity resides†" escapes. In reincarnation, central to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we're > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burning them†" like Hindus†" after death. More than a third of Americans now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up from 6 percent in 1975. " I do think the more spiritual role of religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resurrection, " agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harvard. So let us all say " om. 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