Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Dear All,One of my personal friend and godbrother, Isa Das, was finding it impossible to advance in Iskcon after Prabhupada's passing in 1977. The 11 mletcha Iskcon gurus were still beginners, who refused to seek further advancement from Prabhupada's sadhu friends and godbrothers, (while pretending to be liberated "siddha" purushas), and, as a result, to this day these so-called gurus never progressed even to madhyam-adikari, and basically they still don't know a damn thing about spiritual life. If Isa das wants to take guidance from Prabhupada's trusted sadhu friend, and semi-brother, 80 years old Narayana Maharaj, whom I have known as a really good devotee since 1968, and who always helped Prabhupada, and even put Prabhupada into Samadhi because we were all too stupid to know how it's done. He wrote samadhi mantra on Srila Prabhupada chest, which, by Gaudiya tradition, make him the next acharya. IF that had been the case, then all this 11 bogus gurus, and other nonsense could have been avoided. Now I'm not pushing for Narayana Maharaj, but I'm saying that Isa das, or any of us, can take shiksha from NM and be confident that this leads to advancement.Meanwhile no Iskcon Gurus has a clue about their nitya svarupa or self ID, nor about Nitya lila. They're stunted beginners at best. So, in essence, it's impossible to advance under them.Narayana Maharaj (for example) leads to advancement for those who are interested in advancing. Iskcon has not advanced one inch, spiritually, since 1977. Because there is no advanced leader. So what's best? Remain lost in Iskcon bogus ways, or make real advancement under a dear friend of Srila Prabhupada, who buried HDG for us??... They started with 11 bogus gurus, which was a disaster that could have been averted if Prabhupada would have made a decision about succession. He did not do that, which was a BIG mistake on his part (judging by the results). In stead, Prabhupada left us a legacy of verbal bigotry and hatred against other Sadhus, his own godbrothers, who are not 'his worshipers'. And that's all there IS. Only "Satam'ninda" underlays Iskcon, otherwise it as hollow as a drum.Richard Shaw Brown, PGMusician, Designer, Gemologist & Authorwww.richardshawbrown.com Get your new Email address! Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Nothing moves an inch forward or backward without God's wish Richard ji,I don't know much about these gurus but I have seen Iskconites so stubbern and rigid that they almost lack flexibility,sometime they look like a lost soul in this universe,ShriKrshna lila was full of flexibility if we study carefully but here this factor is absent. There is no inner voice of this sampradaya and the way they act it gives an indication that if someone tries to raise a voice they put him in a corner.There used to be one forum called indiadivine,it closed because of non flexibility issue only,one can help a lost soul(for example myself)but its impossible to help those who sit in a sinking boat and go for a voyage of world in deep sea. I really appreciate your views on Iskcon and sincerely wish that some higher authorities from that sampradaya come and meet you and take your advises,you are among those who were with Sri prabhupada but million $ question is will they come and accept their faults and try to rectify them?Devotees like Sri Isa dasa and Sri Narayana Maharaj are indeed great souls and they must be given space to do their mission,sadly as per your info it is not the case in Iskcon.Feel this as a Lila of ShriKrshna then! In Mahabharata Dhitarashtra never listened to anyone,we know the what happened afterwards. sacred-objects , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > One of my personal friend and godbrother, Isa Das, was finding it impossible to advance in Iskcon after Prabhupada's passing in 1977. The 11 mletcha Iskcon gurus were still beginners, who refused to seek further advancement from Prabhupada's sadhu friends and godbrothers, (while pretending to be liberated " siddha " purushas), and, as a result, to this day these so-called gurus never progressed even to madhyam-adikari, and basically they still don't know a damn thing about spiritual life beyond the basics. > > If Isa das wants to take guidance from Prabhupada's trusted sadhu friend, and semi-brother, 80 years old Narayana Maharaj, whom I have > known as a really good devotee since 1968, and who always helped > Prabhupada, and even put Prabhupada into Samadhi because we were all too > stupid to know how it's done. He wrote samadhi mantra on Srila > Prabhupada chest, which, by Gaudiya tradition, make him the next > acharya. IF that had been the case, then all this 11 bogus gurus, and > other nonsense could have been avoided. Now I'm not pushing for Narayana > Maharaj, but I'm saying that Isa das, or any of us, can take shiksha > from NM and be confident that this leads to advancement. > > Meanwhile > no Iskcon Gurus has a clue about their nitya svarupa or self ID, nor > about Nitya lila. They're stunted beginners at best. So, in essence, it's impossible to advance under them. > > Narayana > Maharaj (for example) leads to advancement for those who are interested in advancing. > Iskcon has not advanced one inch, spiritually, since 1977. Because > there is no advanced leader. So what's best? Remain lost in Iskcon > bogus ways, or make real advancement under a dear friend of Srila > Prabhupada, who buried HDG for us??... They started with 11 bogus > gurus, which was a disaster that could have been averted if Prabhupada > would have made a decision about succession. He did not do that, which > was a BIG mistake on his part (judging by the results). In stead, Prabhupada left us a legacy of verbal bigotry and hatred against other Sadhus, his own godbrothers, who are not 'his worshipers'. And that's all there IS. Only " Satam'ninda " underlays Iskcon, otherwise it as hollow as a drum. > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > New Email names for you! > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. > Hurry before someone else does! > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 The blind leading the "BLINDED"..........!!!!!!!!!!! The cheaters leading the "CHEATED"...........!!!!!!!!!!! THE ENDLESS CYCLE OF SAMSARA............. Where is THE .............LEAD ME FORM DARKNESS TO LIGHT ....................................LEAD ME FROM DEATH TO........!!!!!!!!!!! .....................................Syama.........Leela. "PLEASE FORGAVE MY IGNORANCE"............!!!!!!!!!!!! We all go on SPTIRTUAL QUEST........... Please donot "judge anyone"............!!!!!!! Radhe Radhe...... --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 The Iskcon Dilemma ??"Sacred Objects Group" <sacred-objects >, "Planetary Group" <planetary-gemology >Monday, October 19, 2009, 3:18 PM Dear All,One of my personal friend and godbrother, Isa Das, was finding it impossible to advance in Iskcon after Prabhupada's passing in 1977. The 11 mletcha Iskcon gurus were still beginners, who refused to seek further advancement from Prabhupada's sadhu friends and godbrothers, (while pretending to be liberated "siddha" purushas), and, as a result, to this day these so-called gurus never progressed even to madhyam-adikari, and basically they still don't know a damn thing about spiritual life. If Isa das wants to take guidance from Prabhupada's trusted sadhu friend, and semi-brother, 80 years old Narayana Maharaj, whom I have known as a really good devotee since 1968, and who always helped Prabhupada, and even put Prabhupada into Samadhi because we were all too stupid to know how it's done. He wrote samadhi mantra on Srila Prabhupada chest, which, by Gaudiya tradition, make him the next acharya. IF that had been the case, then all this 11 bogus gurus, and other nonsense could have been avoided. Now I'm not pushing for Narayana Maharaj, but I'm saying that Isa das, or any of us, can take shiksha from NM and be confident that this leads to advancement.Meanwhile no Iskcon Gurus has a clue about their nitya svarupa or self ID, nor about Nitya lila. They're stunted beginners at best. So, in essence, it's impossible to advance under them.Narayana Maharaj (for example) leads to advancement for those who are interested in advancing. Iskcon has not advanced one inch, spiritually, since 1977. Because there is no advanced leader. So what's best? Remain lost in Iskcon bogus ways, or make real advancement under a dear friend of Srila Prabhupada, who buried HDG for us??... They started with 11 bogus gurus, which was a disaster that could have been averted if Prabhupada would have made a decision about succession. He did not do that, which was a BIG mistake on his part (judging by the results). In stead, Prabhupada left us a legacy of verbal bigotry and hatred against other Sadhus, his own godbrothers, who are not 'his worshipers'. And that's all there IS. Only "Satam'ninda" underlays Iskcon, otherwise it as hollow as a drum.Richard Shaw Brown, PGMusician, Designer, Gemologist & Authorwww.richardshawbrow n.com Get your new Email address! Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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