Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 dear friends there are many myths surrounding the mystic nagamani and i too was hearing it as a myth but recently after studying various scripture references and what various people experienced, i understood that there are various types of nagamanis which we can now, for discussion purpose, call stones of a snake or snake stones aka snake gems. colours of nagamanis: scriptures mention that nagamanis are available in various colours and the most spotted ones are yellow, honey, green light green, red and even white. light emission: as regards emission of light, there are some snake stones or gems which emit light at will and some stones that wont emit any light. the legendary nagamani shown in an artistic viewpoint as a big ruby type red gem atop the hood of king cobra is not seen or available anywhere in my knowledge. members are at liberty to share any information if they have on this. most snakecharmers and those who deal in these items say that the growth of light emission is proportionate to the age of the snake and the stone from an younger snake do not possess that much light as that of an old snake gem. so nagamanis which are genuine from snakes but are not old enough or grown enough do not emit enough light yet they are rarest to get. recently i have been fortunate to see a nagamani from a trusted supplier who lives in jungles and it was in honey colour, was solid and was a sort of transparent and was emitting some light though not several feet or meters away. after repeated requests, he agreed to sell it for few lakhs of rupees and am only facilitating his sale to help him. after few tests, i found that it emits light at will especially when it is kept atop a leaf or a flower in dark in nature and not inside house. some members may be looking for a torchlight or batterycell type object which must emit light 24 hours applying physics and science principles. let me clarify and state clearly that this nagamani is being made available purely on the basis of faith and not on the sole criteria of it throwing light like a switched on electric bulb. so members looking for an ever shining round the clock light emiting nagamani, may excuse me as i dont have such. would soon share the photograph of it with the group so that discerning collectors can have it on first come first served basis and the expected price too is only in affordable six digit indian rupees. am not subjecting it to burning test etc., as i feel it holy and rever it with belief to receive the blessings and boons from the nagaraja. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Panditji, I wanted to mention that the Naga Mani I saw looked like a pearl, but in a dark room, or under a table, it glowed brightly... then I asked to take it into the Sun light and in direct Sun light it glowed so strongly that it almost looked blurry or wet. But I touched it and not wet. So it glowed profusely in dark or light conditions. Strange that so many Sacred Objects are obtained and revered by some Muslims (whose ancestors were probobly Hindu or Buddhist). Most of the people I know selling REAL Lakshmi Shank are either Buddhist, Muslim or Christians. Meanwhile 96% of Hindu puja dealers are cheating their dear brothers with bogus American Whelk shells. Anyway, the only real Nagamani I ever saw owned by a Muslim. And it DID glow... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear richardji > > the snake stone i have seen and is being offered is not a glass for sure as i have tested it myself. the supplier says that the toughness and the light and colours keep varying with the age of the snake. > > here below i provide a link of a blogspot where one native is having a white snake stone and that native is not selling and shared only upon request for knowledge. > > http://www.deonandan.com/2008/04/snake-stone-part-deux.html > > the snake stone i got is similar to this but in honey colour and had some yellowish light in it. > > anyway, while dealing in rare objects, we shall not creat boundaries and shall be open to new discoveries. when everyone thought dinosaurs were myth, thanks to steven spielberg, several fossilised dinosaur eggs were discovered from various parts of the world. > > in any case this snake stone does not glow permanently as some claim and shines at will and is not glass and has some light in it. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Namaste! Thanks for the info. Yes! Of course there MUST be real snake stones. I have a petrified one that doesn't glow but I checked with a lab and it was NOT glass or any known material. Others I have checked proved immediately to be artificial glass, so it's fair to say that a simple " neti neti " lab test is in order BEFORE selling this Mani. Because if the buyer gets it checked and it's glass, then your ass is grass (so to speak). The only cobra Ichadhari Nagamani I ever saw was owned by a rich Muslim family in Sri Lanka - NOT for sale. They sent a team to Bangkok to show me the mani.. it looked like a pearl but it glowed strongly in every condition. It was about 7mm round. I asked how much it cost, and they laughed and said thet're come to verify from me, not to sell. I compared to descriptions in Garuda Puranam and it was real in all respects. So I told them, " Yes, it's real! " They said thanks you and I never saw them again. But I got a photograph of it glowing in the dark which I have sent to this group many times. It was in no way transparent or glassy looking. So get the simple test: IF it's glass, or other known item, then it is NOT Nagamani. It's that simple... > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > there are many myths surrounding the mystic nagamani and i too was hearing it as a myth but recently after studying various scripture references and what various people experienced, i understood that there are various types of nagamanis which we can now, for discussion purpose, call stones of a snake or snake stones aka snake gems. > > > > > > colours of nagamanis: > > > scriptures mention that nagamanis are available in various colours and the most spotted ones are yellow, honey, green light green, red and even white. > > > > > > light emission: > > > as regards emission of light, there are some snake stones or gems which emit light at will and some stones that wont emit any light. the legendary nagamani shown in an artistic viewpoint as a big ruby type red gem atop the hood of king cobra is not seen or available anywhere in my knowledge. members are at liberty to share any information if they have on this. most snakecharmers and those who deal in these items say that the growth of light emission is proportionate to the age of the snake and the stone from an younger snake do not possess that much light as that of an old snake gem. so nagamanis which are genuine from snakes but are not old enough or grown enough do not emit enough light yet they are rarest to get. > > > > > > recently i have been fortunate to see a nagamani from a trusted supplier who lives in jungles and it was in honey colour, was solid and was a sort of transparent and was emitting some light though not several feet or meters away. after repeated requests, he agreed to sell it for few lakhs of rupees and am only facilitating his sale to help him. after few tests, i found that it emits light at will especially when it is kept atop a leaf or a flower in dark in nature and not inside house. some members may be looking for a torchlight or batterycell type object which must emit light 24 hours applying physics and science principles. > > > > > > let me clarify and state clearly that this nagamani is being made available purely on the basis of faith and not on the sole criteria of it throwing light like a switched on electric bulb. so members looking for an ever shining round the clock light emiting nagamani, may excuse me as i dont have such. > > > > > > would soon share the photograph of it with the group so that discerning collectors can have it on first come first served basis and the expected price too is only in affordable six digit indian rupees. am not subjecting it to burning test etc., as i feel it holy and rever it with belief to receive the blessings and boons from the nagaraja. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Dear Panditji, I agree with you. All I'm saying, as a Gemologist, is " neti neti " . If it's no OTHER thing, then it must be nagamani. It's like two Sadhus talking. One asks the other, " What are you seeking? " He replied, " I'm looking to find where is Bhagavan! And you? " The other sadhu replied, " I'm looking to find where Bhagavan ISN'T! " - so who is right? Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > namaste richardji > > while your concern in getting only genuine sacred objects is appreciated, i request you to kindly have a open mind in accommodating new things which are in digression to what we or you are dealing. > > for example, one most trusted nepalese wholesale rudraksha supplier from whom almost all retailers have bought rudrakshas is selling a " om " rudraksha. just like you, i too tempted to jump to a conclusion as is written by an expert that any craving or writing on a rudraksha is fake as the rudraksha do not have any such except lines. but he vouched to prove that the " om " inscription is real. initially it took time for me to accept it but later when i saw the omkar parvat near mount kailsh whose peak resembles as if it was cut in the shape of " om " and the snow looks like the ink with which om is written one has to believe that even the om inscription on that rudraksha is natural. just google omkar parvat and you get all its natural wonderful images in full glory. > > similarly collectors were calling it trash and myth when dinosaur eggs were found. > > now when nagamani was seen once by you, you reconcicled that it does exist. you have accepted that there are many other snake stones which are not as famous as the legendary nagamani as shown in an artist view that it is found atop the hood of a snake shining radiantly like that of a worker in a deep underground mine or cave wearing a light atop his helmet. > > so, to come to terms we shall accept the fact that there are other stones form snake which too are reverred and sacred notwithstanding the light part. as per hindu belief, the whole snake is worshipped as such and especially in south india women reverr the snake to get blessings and boons to get a child and a full day naga chaturthi is followed in south while naga panchami is followed in north. > > i vouch for the genuinity of the stone coming from a snake and it looks like amber and natural and is not glass. it has some light within it and it did emit light at night when kept in nature and i have seen it myself. when i took the photo of it at night, it is not coming clearly. so when i took it under bright light in photo studio, the light in it is coming down like a flame which can be seen in the photo. i request members not to jump to conclusions that it is looking like this or that which is like calling which bird or animal is there within an egg just by seeing the egg. in this particular nagamani, i feel it is better to see the object in person to have better feel and idea and interested persons are welcome to see it freely at my place in hyderabad for which they can contact on my email. > > the photo is attached in the section underthe following link which can be viewed by the discerning collectors. > > sacred-objects/photos/album/1189920729/pic/4277791\ 84/view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count=20 & dir=asc > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, Panditji, > > > > The stone pictured in that link looks VERY PHONY. With the snake painted on it by baking. I have seen a lot of so-called snake stone, but testing proved them to be something else. You can't realize Brahman on faith alone, you must apply " neti neti " to rule-out MAYA. > > > > Beware! There are more lies about so-called Sacred Objects than any other items in the world. But YOU know the difference between a REAL Shalagram and bogus one. The black translucent ones are BOGUS and are simply tumbled garnets. > > > > Better rule out illusion completely to reach the truth. Neti neti!! > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > the snake stone i have seen and is being offered is not a glass for sure as i have tested it myself. the supplier says that the toughness and the light and colours keep varying with the age of the snake. > > > > > > here below i provide a link of a blogspot where one native is having a white snake stone and that native is not selling and shared only upon request for knowledge. > > > > > > http://www.deonandan.com/2008/04/snake-stone-part-deux.html > > > > > > the snake stone i got is similar to this but in honey colour and had some yellowish light in it. > > > > > > anyway, while dealing in rare objects, we shall not creat boundaries and shall be open to new discoveries. when everyone thought dinosaurs were myth, thanks to steven spielberg, several fossilised dinosaur eggs were discovered from various parts of the world. > > > > > > in any case this snake stone does not glow permanently as some claim and shines at will and is not glass and has some light in it. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > Namaste! Thanks for the info. Yes! Of course there MUST be real snake stones. I have a petrified one that doesn't glow but I checked with a lab and it was NOT glass or any known material. Others I have checked proved immediately to be artificial glass, so it's fair to say that a simple " neti neti " lab test is in order BEFORE selling this Mani. Because if the buyer gets it checked and it's glass, then your ass is grass (so to speak). The only cobra Ichadhari Nagamani I ever saw was owned by a rich Muslim family in Sri Lanka - NOT for sale. They sent a team to Bangkok to show me the mani.. it looked like a pearl but it glowed strongly in every condition. It was about 7mm round. I asked how much it cost, and they laughed and said thet're come to verify from me, not to sell. I compared to descriptions in Garuda Puranam and it was real in all respects. So I told them, " Yes, it's real! " They said thanks you and I never saw them again. But I got a photograph of it glowing in the dark which I have sent to this group many times. It was in no way transparent or glassy looking. So get the simple test: IF it's glass, or other known item, then it is NOT Nagamani. It's that simple... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths surrounding the mystic nagamani and i too was hearing it as a myth but recently after studying various scripture references and what various people experienced, i understood that there are various types of nagamanis which we can now, for discussion purpose, call stones of a snake or snake stones aka snake gems. > > > > > > > > > > colours of nagamanis: > > > > > scriptures mention that nagamanis are available in various colours and the most spotted ones are yellow, honey, green light green, red and even white. > > > > > > > > > > light emission: > > > > > as regards emission of light, there are some snake stones or gems which emit light at will and some stones that wont emit any light. the legendary nagamani shown in an artistic viewpoint as a big ruby type red gem atop the hood of king cobra is not seen or available anywhere in my knowledge. members are at liberty to share any information if they have on this. most snakecharmers and those who deal in these items say that the growth of light emission is proportionate to the age of the snake and the stone from an younger snake do not possess that much light as that of an old snake gem. so nagamanis which are genuine from snakes but are not old enough or grown enough do not emit enough light yet they are rarest to get. > > > > > > > > > > recently i have been fortunate to see a nagamani from a trusted supplier who lives in jungles and it was in honey colour, was solid and was a sort of transparent and was emitting some light though not several feet or meters away. after repeated requests, he agreed to sell it for few lakhs of rupees and am only facilitating his sale to help him. after few tests, i found that it emits light at will especially when it is kept atop a leaf or a flower in dark in nature and not inside house. some members may be looking for a torchlight or batterycell type object which must emit light 24 hours applying physics and science principles. > > > > > > > > > > let me clarify and state clearly that this nagamani is being made available purely on the basis of faith and not on the sole criteria of it throwing light like a switched on electric bulb. so members looking for an ever shining round the clock light emiting nagamani, may excuse me as i dont have such. > > > > > > > > > > would soon share the photograph of it with the group so that discerning collectors can have it on first come first served basis and the expected price too is only in affordable six digit indian rupees. am not subjecting it to burning test etc., as i feel it holy and rever it with belief to receive the blessings and boons from the nagaraja. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 dear friend the photo was made as natural but the background was kept white by the photographer to make it clean and bright. anyway, i would get a couple of more photos without any background and post them too soonest. with best wihses and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " tpmods " <tpmods wrote: > > Pandit Arjunji > Details of your photo goes as under if possible post original image without using Adobe Photoshop software.I do not doubt you but when we are discussing very sensitive subject like this we should have original image without any software used for modification even for sharpening purpose. > > Make = Canon > Model = Canon EOS 1000D > Orientation = top/left > X Resolution = 72 > Y Resolution = 72 > Resolution Unit = inch > Software = Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows > Date Time = 2009-07-30 17:24:12 > YCbCr Positioning = co-sited > Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 220 > > [Camera] > Exposure Time = 1/160 " > F Number = F32 > Exposure Program = Manual > ISO Speed Ratings = 100 > Exif Version = Version 2.21 > Date Time Original = 2009-07-30 16:59:38 > Date Time Digitized = 2009-07-30 16:59:38 > Components Configuration = YCbcr > Shutter Speed Value = 7.38 TV > Aperture Value = 10 AV > Exposure Bias Value = ±0EV > Metering Mode = Pattern > Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode > Focal Length = 85mm > User Comment = > Subsec Time = 0.3 " > Subsec Time Original = 0.3 " > Subsec Time Digitized = 0.3 " > Flashpix Version = Version 1.0 > Color Space = sRGB > Exif Image Width = 3888 > Exif Image Height = 2592 > Interoperability IFD Pointer = Offset: 956 > Focal Plane X Resolution = 4438.356 > Focal Plane Y Resolution = 4445.969 > Focal Plane Resolution Unit = inch > Custom Rendered = Normal process > Exposure Mode = Manual exposure > White Balance = Manual white balance > Scene Capture Type = Normal > > [interoperability] > Interoperability Index = ExifR98 > Interoperability Version = Version 1.0 > > [Thumbnail Info] > Compression = JPEG Compressed (Thumbnail) > X Resolution = 72 > Y Resolution = 72 > Resolution Unit = inch > JPEG Interchange Format = Offset: 1082 > JPEG Interchange Format Length = Length: 1062 > > [Thumbnail] > Thumbnail = 160 x 107 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 dear richardji let me mince no words in declaring that in india most sacred object facilitators including myself make available new objects which are supposed to contain some powers based on faith and belief and these are not proved. how can a old used worn shoe of a blackhorse fetch a fortune if not faith alone. scince makes it useless and as per the price of old iron scrap, it wont fetch even one rupee. similarly some nails of a old boat too. i never sold gems as mentioned in plaentary gemology nor wish to and hence am not subjected to this tangible provable things. the nagamani is an animal product. while members successfully digressed from the point i was trying to make that one cannot and shall not burn a nagamani, i wish to reiterate that as per hindu belief and as per numerous puranas one who burns snake like king parikshit was subjected to a curse from the snake. hence to those hindu scripture believers i request them not to burn snakes or snake objects. in india we also sell half man half lion images and buyers buy them as lord narasimha. we also sell images and objects of half man half monkey and buyers believe them as representing lord hanuman. so, in india people buy and sell mostly on belief and faith in MYTHOLOGY. i sell an image of lord shiva and a buyer cannot sue me with fraud just because i cannot furnish the proof of the old shiva with his original photo. as regards cash is concerned, all my objects come with a hundred pecent refund guarantee and hence no fraud is involved. rather i am at loss when the native enjoy the benefits and later return the sacred object and take back full money in refund. so i take only that much cash that i can refund and native or buyer is in a win:win situation. the words of fraud, jail etc. are meaningless to me as was evident when few overenthusiastic members threatened me for selling siyar singhi. my service is only to make the buyer or customer happy and if he is not happy with what he got, i make him happy by refunding the money. hope this clarifies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudrkasharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > NOTE: If you sell unknown, unproved (otherwise worthless) item, as rare magical item, the higher the CASH PRICE, the greater the chance of your actually going to jail. > > Buyer Beware / Seller Beware!!! > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > I sell my talismans based to tangible reality for tangible MONEY. I cannot charge CASH for " powers " of Gems or Rudraksha, which is value added. WHY can I not charge for " powers " ? Because I cannot prove. So I can sell my talismans for the retail price of jewelry ONLY, not more. Powers are above money if they are not tangible like MONEY. > > > > I can only sell an unknown item based on 100% faith, for the price of 100% faith. You cannot charge mundane CASH for supra-mundane faith! > > > > If there is no question of hard truth, then there is no question of HARD CASH. CASH=SCIENCE. Science is provable and cash is provable, but faith is PRICELESS, being intangible. > > > > I understand what you mean, but I dare not do what you are doing. Especially as you are not protecting yourself against charge of fraud. And because you charge CASH, so you cannot claim innocence. > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > you are right. paths are many but the destination is one. god is one and forms are many. philosophies are many but truth is one. > > > > > > while providing sacred objects too, the dealing is in two different contrast ways. one is purely on quality methods corroborated by a scientific lab test and the other purely based on faith, belief and trust. the former was introduced to this service segment recently whereas the latter was there in store since ages immemorial. a small image of hanuman that came as a gift to a muslim barrack hussain obama was held with faith and reverance and once he becomes president obama, that image gets more wanted whereas in india it is a common household practice even in the poorest poor families to tie a small image of lord hanuman in a small copper coin to most children and many elders too wear it and worship for lifetime. > > > > > > being a healer which i do not according to science and purely based on faith, i may digress from the scientific methods but i respect all these systems and their functioning. > > > > > > to be specific, nagamani is what is desccribed by a scientist as some gem that emanates light permanently like a switched on bulb and at nights it can be used as an alternative to electric blub to read books and save on power bill. some may even believe that it can be kept in a cricket or football stadium at night whereafter the whole stadium can be seen in light. some respected members even opined that it must be burnt for some ten minutes and it shall remain undamaged. > > > > > > may i advise the members that the entire snake (including stones on or in it) are perishable in fire and many puranas have stories how king parikshit conducted a sarpamedha yagam wherein he killed thousands of snakes whereafter the snake god curses and kill him and from then people are afraid of snakes and their power to curse. the snakes taking ichhadhari shape or form is also seen at that time. > > > > > > hence i rest my case by offering this nagamani in picture as nagamani, a stone from snake, which emits light at will in nature and not give light permanently. by the way, the asking price is not in crores like other nagamanis but is only a couple of lakh indian rupees. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. All I'm saying, as a Gemologist, is " neti neti " . If it's no OTHER thing, then it must be nagamani. It's like two Sadhus talking. One asks the other, " What are you seeking? " He replied, " I'm looking to find where is Bhagavan! And you? " The other sadhu replied, " I'm looking to find where Bhagavan ISN'T! " - so who is right? > > > > > > > > Y/s, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > namaste richardji > > > > > > > > > > while your concern in getting only genuine sacred objects is appreciated, i request you to kindly have a open mind in accommodating new things which are in digression to what we or you are dealing. > > > > > > > > > > for example, one most trusted nepalese wholesale rudraksha supplier from whom almost all retailers have bought rudrakshas is selling a " om " rudraksha. just like you, i too tempted to jump to a conclusion as is written by an expert that any craving or writing on a rudraksha is fake as the rudraksha do not have any such except lines. but he vouched to prove that the " om " inscription is real. initially it took time for me to accept it but later when i saw the omkar parvat near mount kailsh whose peak resembles as if it was cut in the shape of " om " and the snow looks like the ink with which om is written one has to believe that even the om inscription on that rudraksha is natural. just google omkar parvat and you get all its natural wonderful images in full glory. > > > > > > > > > > similarly collectors were calling it trash and myth when dinosaur eggs were found. > > > > > > > > > > now when nagamani was seen once by you, you reconcicled that it does exist. you have accepted that there are many other snake stones which are not as famous as the legendary nagamani as shown in an artist view that it is found atop the hood of a snake shining radiantly like that of a worker in a deep underground mine or cave wearing a light atop his helmet. > > > > > > > > > > so, to come to terms we shall accept the fact that there are other stones form snake which too are reverred and sacred notwithstanding the light part. as per hindu belief, the whole snake is worshipped as such and especially in south india women reverr the snake to get blessings and boons to get a child and a full day naga chaturthi is followed in south while naga panchami is followed in north. > > > > > > > > > > i vouch for the genuinity of the stone coming from a snake and it looks like amber and natural and is not glass. it has some light within it and it did emit light at night when kept in nature and i have seen it myself. when i took the photo of it at night, it is not coming clearly. so when i took it under bright light in photo studio, the light in it is coming down like a flame which can be seen in the photo. i request members not to jump to conclusions that it is looking like this or that which is like calling which bird or animal is there within an egg just by seeing the egg. in this particular nagamani, i feel it is better to see the object in person to have better feel and idea and interested persons are welcome to see it freely at my place in hyderabad for which they can contact on my email. > > > > > > > > > > the photo is attached in the section underthe following link which can be viewed by the discerning collectors. > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects/photos/album/1189920729/pic/4277791\ 84/view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count=20 & dir=asc > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The stone pictured in that link looks VERY PHONY. With the snake painted on it by baking. I have seen a lot of so-called snake stone, but testing proved them to be something else. You can't realize Brahman on faith alone, you must apply " neti neti " to rule-out MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware! There are more lies about so-called Sacred Objects than any other items in the world. But YOU know the difference between a REAL Shalagram and bogus one. The black translucent ones are BOGUS and are simply tumbled garnets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Better rule out illusion completely to reach the truth. Neti neti!! > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snake stone i have seen and is being offered is not a glass for sure as i have tested it myself. the supplier says that the toughness and the light and colours keep varying with the age of the snake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here below i provide a link of a blogspot where one native is having a white snake stone and that native is not selling and shared only upon request for knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deonandan.com/2008/04/snake-stone-part-deux.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snake stone i got is similar to this but in honey colour and had some yellowish light in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, while dealing in rare objects, we shall not creat boundaries and shall be open to new discoveries. when everyone thought dinosaurs were myth, thanks to steven spielberg, several fossilised dinosaur eggs were discovered from various parts of the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in any case this snake stone does not glow permanently as some claim and shines at will and is not glass and has some light in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! Thanks for the info. Yes! Of course there MUST be real snake stones. I have a petrified one that doesn't glow but I checked with a lab and it was NOT glass or any known material. Others I have checked proved immediately to be artificial glass, so it's fair to say that a simple " neti neti " lab test is in order BEFORE selling this Mani. Because if the buyer gets it checked and it's glass, then your ass is grass (so to speak). The only cobra Ichadhari Nagamani I ever saw was owned by a rich Muslim family in Sri Lanka - NOT for sale. They sent a team to Bangkok to show me the mani.. it looked like a pearl but it glowed strongly in every condition. It was about 7mm round. I asked how much it cost, and they laughed and said thet're come to verify from me, not to sell. I compared to descriptions in Garuda Puranam and it was real in all respects. So I told them, " Yes, it's real! " They said thanks you and I never saw them again. But I got a photograph of it glowing in the dark which I have sent to this group many times. It was in no way transparent or glassy looking. So get the simple test: IF it's glass, or other known item, then it is NOT Nagamani. It's that simple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths surrounding the mystic nagamani and i too was hearing it as a myth but recently after studying various scripture references and what various people experienced, i understood that there are various types of nagamanis which we can now, for discussion purpose, call stones of a snake or snake stones aka snake gems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colours of nagamanis: > > > > > > > > > scriptures mention that nagamanis are available in various colours and the most spotted ones are yellow, honey, green light green, red and even white. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light emission: > > > > > > > > > as regards emission of light, there are some snake stones or gems which emit light at will and some stones that wont emit any light. the legendary nagamani shown in an artistic viewpoint as a big ruby type red gem atop the hood of king cobra is not seen or available anywhere in my knowledge. members are at liberty to share any information if they have on this. most snakecharmers and those who deal in these items say that the growth of light emission is proportionate to the age of the snake and the stone from an younger snake do not possess that much light as that of an old snake gem. so nagamanis which are genuine from snakes but are not old enough or grown enough do not emit enough light yet they are rarest to get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently i have been fortunate to see a nagamani from a trusted supplier who lives in jungles and it was in honey colour, was solid and was a sort of transparent and was emitting some light though not several feet or meters away. after repeated requests, he agreed to sell it for few lakhs of rupees and am only facilitating his sale to help him. after few tests, i found that it emits light at will especially when it is kept atop a leaf or a flower in dark in nature and not inside house. some members may be looking for a torchlight or batterycell type object which must emit light 24 hours applying physics and science principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me clarify and state clearly that this nagamani is being made available purely on the basis of faith and not on the sole criteria of it throwing light like a switched on electric bulb. so members looking for an ever shining round the clock light emiting nagamani, may excuse me as i dont have such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would soon share the photograph of it with the group so that discerning collectors can have it on first come first served basis and the expected price too is only in affordable six digit indian rupees. am not subjecting it to burning test etc., as i feel it holy and rever it with belief to receive the blessings and boons from the nagaraja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Dear Panditji, Yes, in your faith business money back is a must in case of mistaken identity. Buyer can get money back, and then speak ill of you for the mistake...so you will lose more than money back. If Nagamani is a stone or other non-organic object then it cannot come from an animal. And if buyer checks with a lab, and finds it is artificial glass or known stone, then he will want money back, then bad mouth your reputation. In this we are talking about NATURAL SACRED OBJECTS, like gems and Rudraksha and Pearls, Shalagram, etc. which can be proved. So proof does have great bearing on price. What if you sell 14 mukhi (for going price of 14 mukhi), but it proves to be 13 mukhi after careful inspection... well, there is huge CASH price difference between 13 and 14 mukhi. And again with Java beads it is much cheaper still. So trading CASH asset for metaphysical object is fine provided item is genuine. We don't have to prove that Rudraksha is " Rudra " but we DO have to prove Rudraksha IS Rudraksha. For example you tested for glass... I'm wondering, " how? " Why not check with a lab to rule out fraud, before taking the risk with your reputation. If you want ruby-red clear shining Nagamani from Indonesia - so rare and sacred - I can get you 10 or 100 or 1000 pieces tomorrow. But a simple lab test already proved the item to be " artificial glass " . If you bought a supposed Nagamani, and it tested as glass, would you feel cheated? Concerning Archa Vigraha, Chitra-murti, or man-made murtis of Devas and Devis they also are sold at limited value based on going rates of these items. You cannot prove a Shiva painting is saksat Bhagavan Shiva, but you CAN prove if it is a real " painting " or just a print. Real painting will be valuable much more than mass market print. And this is easy to prove as well. Same holds true with all man-made sacred items. Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear richardji > > let me mince no words in declaring that in india most sacred object facilitators including myself make available new objects which are supposed to contain some powers based on faith and belief and these are not proved. > > how can a old used worn shoe of a blackhorse fetch a fortune if not faith alone. scince makes it useless and as per the price of old iron scrap, it wont fetch even one rupee. similarly some nails of a old boat too. > > i never sold gems as mentioned in plaentary gemology nor wish to and hence am not subjected to this tangible provable things. > > the nagamani is an animal product. > > while members successfully digressed from the point i was trying to make that one cannot and shall not burn a nagamani, i wish to reiterate that as per hindu belief and as per numerous puranas one who burns snake like king parikshit was subjected to a curse from the snake. hence to those hindu scripture believers i request them not to burn snakes or snake objects. > > in india we also sell half man half lion images and buyers buy them as lord narasimha. we also sell images and objects of half man half monkey and buyers believe them as representing lord hanuman. so, in india people buy and sell mostly on belief and faith in MYTHOLOGY. > > i sell an image of lord shiva and a buyer cannot sue me with fraud just because i cannot furnish the proof of the old shiva with his original photo. > > as regards cash is concerned, all my objects come with a hundred pecent refund guarantee and hence no fraud is involved. rather i am at loss when the native enjoy the benefits and later return the sacred object and take back full money in refund. so i take only that much cash that i can refund and native or buyer is in a win:win situation. the words of fraud, jail etc. are meaningless to me as was evident when few overenthusiastic members threatened me for selling siyar singhi. my service is only to make the buyer or customer happy and if he is not happy with what he got, i make him happy by refunding the money. hope this clarifies. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudrkasharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > NOTE: If you sell unknown, unproved (otherwise worthless) item, as rare magical item, the higher the CASH PRICE, the greater the chance of your actually going to jail. > > > > Buyer Beware / Seller Beware!!! > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > I sell my talismans based to tangible reality for tangible MONEY. I cannot charge CASH for " powers " of Gems or Rudraksha, which is value added. WHY can I not charge for " powers " ? Because I cannot prove. So I can sell my talismans for the retail price of jewelry ONLY, not more. Powers are above money if they are not tangible like MONEY. > > > > > > I can only sell an unknown item based on 100% faith, for the price of 100% faith. You cannot charge mundane CASH for supra-mundane faith! > > > > > > If there is no question of hard truth, then there is no question of HARD CASH. CASH=SCIENCE. Science is provable and cash is provable, but faith is PRICELESS, being intangible. > > > > > > I understand what you mean, but I dare not do what you are doing. Especially as you are not protecting yourself against charge of fraud. And because you charge CASH, so you cannot claim innocence. > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > you are right. paths are many but the destination is one. god is one and forms are many. philosophies are many but truth is one. > > > > > > > > while providing sacred objects too, the dealing is in two different contrast ways. one is purely on quality methods corroborated by a scientific lab test and the other purely based on faith, belief and trust. the former was introduced to this service segment recently whereas the latter was there in store since ages immemorial. a small image of hanuman that came as a gift to a muslim barrack hussain obama was held with faith and reverance and once he becomes president obama, that image gets more wanted whereas in india it is a common household practice even in the poorest poor families to tie a small image of lord hanuman in a small copper coin to most children and many elders too wear it and worship for lifetime. > > > > > > > > being a healer which i do not according to science and purely based on faith, i may digress from the scientific methods but i respect all these systems and their functioning. > > > > > > > > to be specific, nagamani is what is desccribed by a scientist as some gem that emanates light permanently like a switched on bulb and at nights it can be used as an alternative to electric blub to read books and save on power bill. some may even believe that it can be kept in a cricket or football stadium at night whereafter the whole stadium can be seen in light. some respected members even opined that it must be burnt for some ten minutes and it shall remain undamaged. > > > > > > > > may i advise the members that the entire snake (including stones on or in it) are perishable in fire and many puranas have stories how king parikshit conducted a sarpamedha yagam wherein he killed thousands of snakes whereafter the snake god curses and kill him and from then people are afraid of snakes and their power to curse. the snakes taking ichhadhari shape or form is also seen at that time. > > > > > > > > hence i rest my case by offering this nagamani in picture as nagamani, a stone from snake, which emits light at will in nature and not give light permanently. by the way, the asking price is not in crores like other nagamanis but is only a couple of lakh indian rupees. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. All I'm saying, as a Gemologist, is " neti neti " . If it's no OTHER thing, then it must be nagamani. It's like two Sadhus talking. One asks the other, " What are you seeking? " He replied, " I'm looking to find where is Bhagavan! And you? " The other sadhu replied, " I'm looking to find where Bhagavan ISN'T! " - so who is right? > > > > > > > > > > Y/s, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > while your concern in getting only genuine sacred objects is appreciated, i request you to kindly have a open mind in accommodating new things which are in digression to what we or you are dealing. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, one most trusted nepalese wholesale rudraksha supplier from whom almost all retailers have bought rudrakshas is selling a " om " rudraksha. just like you, i too tempted to jump to a conclusion as is written by an expert that any craving or writing on a rudraksha is fake as the rudraksha do not have any such except lines. but he vouched to prove that the " om " inscription is real. initially it took time for me to accept it but later when i saw the omkar parvat near mount kailsh whose peak resembles as if it was cut in the shape of " om " and the snow looks like the ink with which om is written one has to believe that even the om inscription on that rudraksha is natural. just google omkar parvat and you get all its natural wonderful images in full glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > similarly collectors were calling it trash and myth when dinosaur eggs were found. > > > > > > > > > > > > now when nagamani was seen once by you, you reconcicled that it does exist. you have accepted that there are many other snake stones which are not as famous as the legendary nagamani as shown in an artist view that it is found atop the hood of a snake shining radiantly like that of a worker in a deep underground mine or cave wearing a light atop his helmet. > > > > > > > > > > > > so, to come to terms we shall accept the fact that there are other stones form snake which too are reverred and sacred notwithstanding the light part. as per hindu belief, the whole snake is worshipped as such and especially in south india women reverr the snake to get blessings and boons to get a child and a full day naga chaturthi is followed in south while naga panchami is followed in north. > > > > > > > > > > > > i vouch for the genuinity of the stone coming from a snake and it looks like amber and natural and is not glass. it has some light within it and it did emit light at night when kept in nature and i have seen it myself. when i took the photo of it at night, it is not coming clearly. so when i took it under bright light in photo studio, the light in it is coming down like a flame which can be seen in the photo. i request members not to jump to conclusions that it is looking like this or that which is like calling which bird or animal is there within an egg just by seeing the egg. in this particular nagamani, i feel it is better to see the object in person to have better feel and idea and interested persons are welcome to see it freely at my place in hyderabad for which they can contact on my email. > > > > > > > > > > > > the photo is attached in the section underthe following link which can be viewed by the discerning collectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects/photos/album/1189920729/pic/4277791\ 84/view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count=20 & dir=asc > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The stone pictured in that link looks VERY PHONY. With the snake painted on it by baking. I have seen a lot of so-called snake stone, but testing proved them to be something else. You can't realize Brahman on faith alone, you must apply " neti neti " to rule-out MAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware! There are more lies about so-called Sacred Objects than any other items in the world. But YOU know the difference between a REAL Shalagram and bogus one. The black translucent ones are BOGUS and are simply tumbled garnets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better rule out illusion completely to reach the truth. Neti neti!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snake stone i have seen and is being offered is not a glass for sure as i have tested it myself. the supplier says that the toughness and the light and colours keep varying with the age of the snake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here below i provide a link of a blogspot where one native is having a white snake stone and that native is not selling and shared only upon request for knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deonandan.com/2008/04/snake-stone-part-deux.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snake stone i got is similar to this but in honey colour and had some yellowish light in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, while dealing in rare objects, we shall not creat boundaries and shall be open to new discoveries. when everyone thought dinosaurs were myth, thanks to steven spielberg, several fossilised dinosaur eggs were discovered from various parts of the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in any case this snake stone does not glow permanently as some claim and shines at will and is not glass and has some light in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! Thanks for the info. Yes! Of course there MUST be real snake stones. I have a petrified one that doesn't glow but I checked with a lab and it was NOT glass or any known material. Others I have checked proved immediately to be artificial glass, so it's fair to say that a simple " neti neti " lab test is in order BEFORE selling this Mani. Because if the buyer gets it checked and it's glass, then your ass is grass (so to speak). The only cobra Ichadhari Nagamani I ever saw was owned by a rich Muslim family in Sri Lanka - NOT for sale. They sent a team to Bangkok to show me the mani.. it looked like a pearl but it glowed strongly in every condition. It was about 7mm round. I asked how much it cost, and they laughed and said thet're come to verify from me, not to sell. I compared to descriptions in Garuda Puranam and it was real in all respects. So I told them, " Yes, it's real! " They said thanks you and I never saw them again. But I got a photograph of it glowing in the dark which I have sent to this group many times. It was in no way transparent or glassy looking. So get the simple test: IF it's glass, or other known item, then it is NOT Nagamani. It's that simple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are many myths surrounding the mystic nagamani and i too was hearing it as a myth but recently after studying various scripture references and what various people experienced, i understood that there are various types of nagamanis which we can now, for discussion purpose, call stones of a snake or snake stones aka snake gems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > colours of nagamanis: > > > > > > > > > > scriptures mention that nagamanis are available in various colours and the most spotted ones are yellow, honey, green light green, red and even white. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light emission: > > > > > > > > > > as regards emission of light, there are some snake stones or gems which emit light at will and some stones that wont emit any light. the legendary nagamani shown in an artistic viewpoint as a big ruby type red gem atop the hood of king cobra is not seen or available anywhere in my knowledge. members are at liberty to share any information if they have on this. most snakecharmers and those who deal in these items say that the growth of light emission is proportionate to the age of the snake and the stone from an younger snake do not possess that much light as that of an old snake gem. so nagamanis which are genuine from snakes but are not old enough or grown enough do not emit enough light yet they are rarest to get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently i have been fortunate to see a nagamani from a trusted supplier who lives in jungles and it was in honey colour, was solid and was a sort of transparent and was emitting some light though not several feet or meters away. after repeated requests, he agreed to sell it for few lakhs of rupees and am only facilitating his sale to help him. after few tests, i found that it emits light at will especially when it is kept atop a leaf or a flower in dark in nature and not inside house. some members may be looking for a torchlight or batterycell type object which must emit light 24 hours applying physics and science principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me clarify and state clearly that this nagamani is being made available purely on the basis of faith and not on the sole criteria of it throwing light like a switched on electric bulb. so members looking for an ever shining round the clock light emiting nagamani, may excuse me as i dont have such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would soon share the photograph of it with the group so that discerning collectors can have it on first come first served basis and the expected price too is only in affordable six digit indian rupees. am not subjecting it to burning test etc., as i feel it holy and rever it with belief to receive the blessings and boons from the nagaraja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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