Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dear Sir (Madam?),Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here...Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads.Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems.Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form.My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal.Y/sRichardRe: nagamani"Rick Brown" <rsbj66Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PMFirst of all thank you foranswering my mail,yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about thenagamani .....I am sending you the total things which Iexperienced . Then I checked in internet for some genuine personwho got good knowledge about nagamani.Through the help of google i found about you and yourcompanies,,, blah! Blah! Rick Brown's iPhonewww.richardshawbrown.com New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 dear friends the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > Y/s > Richard > > Re: nagamani > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66 > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > First of all thank you for > answering my mail, > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > experienced . > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > Through the help of google i found about you and your > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > Rick Brown's iPhone > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 The point is that Ruby, Natural Pearl, etc., can be proved by science of Gemology. Lakshmi Shank, etc., can be proved by science of Conchology. BUT, Nagamani cannot be identified. There is no science. No ID. No proof. So gifting or selling are both impossible because no-one knows the truth. I think I saw one, but there is no proof. The ones I've seen for sale are artificial glass - I tested. So where is Nagamani??Y/s,RichardRichard Shaw Brown, PGMusician, Designer, Gemologist & Authorwww.richardshawbrown.com--- On Fri, 10/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 8:04 AM dear friends the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > Y/s > Richard > > Re: nagamani > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66 > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > First of all thank you for > answering my mail, > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > experienced . > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > Through the help of google i found about you and your > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > Rick Brown's iPhone > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I believe that Lord Rama built a bridge to Lanka. I believe that Lord Krishna lifted the Govardhan Hill, but I do NOT believe that man-made artificial glass can form in the organic body of an organic snake. Impossible 100%. The clear ones you see for sale are 100% artificial glass - as certified by a gem lab. NOT Naga Mani. Man-made. It is completely absurd!!! And is the domain of fools OR rascals. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > The point is that Ruby, Natural Pearl, etc., can be proved by science of Gemology. Lakshmi Shank, etc., can be proved by science of Conchology. BUT, Nagamani cannot be identified. There is no science. No ID. No proof. So gifting or selling are both impossible because no-one knows the truth. I think I saw one, but there is no proof. The ones I've seen for sale are artificial glass - I tested. So where is Nagamani?? > > Y/s, > Richard > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author > www.richardshawbrown.com > > --- On Fri, 10/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Nagamani reply > sacred-objects > Friday, 10 July, 2009, 8:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > Y/s > > > Richard > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > answering my mail, > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > experienced . > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email addresses available on > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. > Hurry before someone else does! > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Panditji, Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > Y/s > > Richard > > > > Re: nagamani > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > First of all thank you for > > answering my mail, > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > experienced . > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Richardji, Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. http://www.adoos.in/post/5727911/nagamani_cobra_pearl Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. Regards, -Ishwar sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > Y/s > > > Richard > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > answering my mail, > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > experienced . > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 GOOD STUFF!!! Sure they exist. But without proof even a house cannot be sold or gifted. Your descriptions remind me of late sadhu Kali Baba of Nepal. He had Eka Mukhi Gool dana Rudraksha. One of the tests he told me that if you put into river current it will float and move upstream, against the current. I had the chance to have a good look at the seed when he let me reset it in gold for him. So I went to the Bhagmati river at Pashupatinathji Mandira, I came to the muddy edge of the river, but I could not bring myself to drop the seed into the muddy the river. What if I lost it? Would that mean it was not real? What would you do in such a case? Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. > > http://www.adoos.in/post/5727911/nagamani_cobra_pearl > > Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. > > > When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. > > Regards, > -Ishwar > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > answering my mail, > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 HAAAAAAAA!!!! 9.5 Crores?? TOO CHEAP!!! Here is one for INR 150 Crores, from the ph number(1-877-329-8449) you supplied earlier! http://kolkata.indialist.com/3008366/Jewellery/Precious-Stones/Nagamani--NagaRet\ inamNagamuthu.html sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. > > http://www.adoos.in/post/5727911/nagamani_cobra_pearl > > Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. > > > When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. > > Regards, > -Ishwar > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > answering my mail, > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Friends, Also please REMEMBER the quote " What you pay, is what you get " doesn't fit rite in this case rather it's vice versa " What you pay, is what you LOSE " As Mr.Richard says they are all FAKE and its absolute TRUTH!!! Cheers!!! Keywords: Nagamani / nagaretinam / nagamuthu / Cobra Pearl sacred-objects , " krish667777 " <krish667777 wrote: > > HAAAAAAAA!!!! > > 9.5 Crores?? TOO CHEAP!!! > > Here is one for INR 150 Crores, from the ph number(1-877-329-8449) you supplied earlier! > > http://kolkata.indialist.com/3008366/Jewellery/Precious-Stones/Nagamani--NagaRet\ inamNagamuthu.html > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > Dear Richardji, > > > > Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. > > > > http://www.adoos.in/post/5727911/nagamani_cobra_pearl > > > > Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. > > > > > > When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. > > > > Regards, > > -Ishwar > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 dear richardji firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > Y/s > > > Richard > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > answering my mail, > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > experienced . > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Panditji, If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of " Gemology " . As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like " neti neti " Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known " thing " , like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as " Nagamani " or " no known substance " before a " legal " sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud. It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim. If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them. Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear richardji > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > answering my mail, > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 dear richardji firstly all my mails were hypothetical in nature of making available a nagamani IF it comes. secondly i fully made it clear that any nagamani offered by anyone in the world (including myself at a future date possibly) must be made available to all learnt people like you and others in the forum to see (photographs) and validate the genuinity. since you are categorising nagamani as a gem under gemology, if a gemlab or a gemologist has a way to find out the genuinity of the nagamani without destroying it or damaging it or burning it, then why would any supplier not get it certified by a gemlab. however, kindly share the sceintific mention of nagamani as a STONE (GEM) under gemology and which gemology bible says it. as you rightly said repeatedly that nagamani is one fo the sapta or ashta or nava motis as mentioned in garudapurana, these are all (except cloud) animal products be it elephant pearl, boar pearl, fish pearl, oyester pearl, conch pearl except bamboo pearl which is a tree product. in my limited knowledge all these animal or tree products or pearls will perish if burnt. please educate me if this notion is correct or not. if only nagamani do not get burnt while all other motis mentioned in the same text of garuda purana get burnt, kindly share whether the garuda purana mentions such thing of all these motis burn except nagamani. now from a scientific point of view which i have no knowledge and you are an expert. kindly advise (you or ishwarji) is burning a way to test any other gems under gemology as advised by ishwarji. also for the benefit of laymen, kindly advise under what category of gem this nagamani falls under gemology and whether all other gems under such category are BURNT at 200 or 400 degrees C to test their genuinity. if gemology science has any such test to literally and physically burn all gems under such category, kindly share the relevant portion from the scientific book or any other bible of gemology which suggests the method of burning to find genuinity of a gem. if other gems are not burnt and only nagamani as the first and only gem under gems in the list of n number of gems under gemology with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of " Gemology " . As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like " neti neti " Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known " thing " , like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as " Nagamani " or " no known substance " before a " legal " sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud. > > It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim. > > If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them. > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The description and phone numbers in both links are same, it is same nagamani from snake killed by an eagle and same weight. I think the link you provided is put by some mediator who is trying to make some quick buck by inflating the price. sacred-objects , " krish667777 " <krish667777 wrote: > > HAAAAAAAA!!!! > > 9.5 Crores?? TOO CHEAP!!! > > Here is one for INR 150 Crores, from the ph number(1-877-329-8449) you supplied earlier! > > http://kolkata.indialist.com/3008366/Jewellery/Precious-Stones/Nagamani--NagaRet\ inamNagamuthu.html > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > Dear Richardji, > > > > Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. > > > > http://www.adoos.in/post/5727911/nagamani_cobra_pearl > > > > Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. > > > > > > When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. > > > > Regards, > > -Ishwar > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear All, Is it possible that the Nagamani linked to Biological Transmutation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_transmutation Best Wishes. Tan--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 4:50 AM Dear Panditji,If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of "Gemology". As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like "neti neti" Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known "thing", like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as "Nagamani" or "no known substance" before a "legal" sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud.It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim.If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them.Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:>> dear richardji> > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me.> > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes.> > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon.> > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data.> > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear Panditji,> > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel?> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends> > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object.> > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years.> > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma.> > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do.> > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma.> > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit.> > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir (Madam?),> > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here...> > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads.> > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems.> > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form.> > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal.> > > > > > > > Y/s> > > > Richard> > > > > > > > Re: nagamani> > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@>> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM> > > > > > > > First of all thank you for> > > > answering my mail,> > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the> > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I> > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person> > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani.> > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your> > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone> > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Richardji Neti Neti............ahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!! After ages I heard this word,my Pranams to your Respected Guruji. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 4:50 PM Dear Panditji,If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of "Gemology". As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like "neti neti" Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known "thing", like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as "Nagamani" or "no known substance" before a "legal" sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud.It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim.If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them.Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:>> dear richardji> > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me.> > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes.> > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon.> > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data.> > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear Panditji,> > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel?> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends> > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object.> > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years.> > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma.> > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do.> > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma.> > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit.> > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir (Madam?),> > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here...> > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads.> > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems.> > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form.> > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal.> > > > > > > > Y/s> > > > Richard> > > > > > > > Re: nagamani> > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@>> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM> > > > > > > > First of all thank you for> > > > answering my mail,> > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the> > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I> > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person> > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani.> > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your> > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone> > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear Richardji, The scientific tests I mentioned in previous post were really used as ID to identify the real Nagamani, I also mentioned it is known to only few experts in our group who have seen and owned the nagamanis I don't want to take any specific names here and any ordinary person like me who have only heard about Nagamani is not qualified to comment on real or fake and whether it exist. Below is ID which was actually used to eliminate real ones from fake. 1. Fire torch test of 600 degree Centigrade of burning the NM , 18 minutes burning is sufficient. 2. Equivalent test is burning the NM for 18 minutes with cigrette lighter for 30 minutes One of the above is used as first level acceptance test. I have reproduced these facts only for academic interest and I have no intention to malign anybody. Regards, Ishwar sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of " Gemology " . As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like " neti neti " Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known " thing " , like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as " Nagamani " or " no known substance " before a " legal " sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud. > > It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim. > > If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them. > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > > www.richardshawbrown.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear Panditji,Naga-MANI (gem) is in the gemology chapters of Garuda Puranam. Not every gem is easy to ID. Scratching for hardness is no longer used, and burning was never used in testing. If a gemologist cannot ID a mani, at least he has ruled-out all other possibilities. If it is nothing known then it could be Naga Mani.Y/s,RichardRichard Shaw Brown, PGMusician, Designer, Gemologist & Authorwww.richardshawbrown.com--- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 8:42 AM dear richardji firstly all my mails were hypothetical in nature of making available a nagamani IF it comes. secondly i fully made it clear that any nagamani offered by anyone in the world (including myself at a future date possibly) must be made available to all learnt people like you and others in the forum to see (photographs) and validate the genuinity. since you are categorising nagamani as a gem under gemology, if a gemlab or a gemologist has a way to find out the genuinity of the nagamani without destroying it or damaging it or burning it, then why would any supplier not get it certified by a gemlab. however, kindly share the sceintific mention of nagamani as a STONE (GEM) under gemology and which gemology bible says it. as you rightly said repeatedly that nagamani is one fo the sapta or ashta or nava motis as mentioned in garudapurana, these are all (except cloud) animal products be it elephant pearl, boar pearl, fish pearl, oyester pearl, conch pearl except bamboo pearl which is a tree product. in my limited knowledge all these animal or tree products or pearls will perish if burnt. please educate me if this notion is correct or not. if only nagamani do not get burnt while all other motis mentioned in the same text of garuda purana get burnt, kindly share whether the garuda purana mentions such thing of all these motis burn except nagamani. now from a scientific point of view which i have no knowledge and you are an expert. kindly advise (you or ishwarji) is burning a way to test any other gems under gemology as advised by ishwarji. also for the benefit of laymen, kindly advise under what category of gem this nagamani falls under gemology and whether all other gems under such category are BURNT at 200 or 400 degrees C to test their genuinity. if gemology science has any such test to literally and physically burn all gems under such category, kindly share the relevant portion from the scientific book or any other bible of gemology which suggests the method of burning to find genuinity of a gem. if other gems are not burnt and only nagamani as the first and only gem under gems in the list of n number of gems under gemology with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of "Gemology". As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like "neti neti" Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known "thing", like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as "Nagamani" or "no known substance" before a "legal" sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud. > > It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim. > > If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them. > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Oops!! Actually I used to wrap yellow sapphires in tin foil and heat with a match to check if they were irradiated yellow (which will fade in heat or in time), but that was Sri Lanka 25 years ago. Doing the same with emerald to remove oil-in-cracks test is also no longer practiced by civilized humans. Burning is not in practice these days... Y/s, R- sacred-objects , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Naga-MANI (gem) is in the gemology chapters of Garuda Puranam. Not every gem is easy to ID. Scratching for hardness is no longer used, and burning was never used in testing. If a gemologist cannot ID a mani, at least he has ruled-out all other possibilities. If it is nothing known then it could be Naga Mani. > > Y/s, > Richard > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author > www.richardshawbrown.com > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Nagamani reply > sacred-objects > Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 8:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly all my mails were hypothetical in nature of making available a nagamani IF it comes. > > > > secondly i fully made it clear that any nagamani offered by anyone in the world (including myself at a future date possibly) must be made available to all learnt people like you and others in the forum to see (photographs) and validate the genuinity. > > > > since you are categorising nagamani as a gem under gemology, if a gemlab or a gemologist has a way to find out the genuinity of the nagamani without destroying it or damaging it or burning it, then why would any supplier not get it certified by a gemlab. > > > > however, kindly share the sceintific mention of nagamani as a STONE (GEM) under gemology and which gemology bible says it. as you rightly said repeatedly that nagamani is one fo the sapta or ashta or nava motis as mentioned in garudapurana, these are all (except cloud) animal products be it elephant pearl, boar pearl, fish pearl, oyester pearl, conch pearl except bamboo pearl which is a tree product. in my limited knowledge all these animal or tree products or pearls will perish if burnt. please educate me if this notion is correct or not. if only nagamani do not get burnt while all other motis mentioned in the same text of garuda purana get burnt, kindly share whether the garuda purana mentions such thing of all these motis burn except nagamani. > > > > now from a scientific point of view which i have no knowledge and you are an expert. kindly advise (you or ishwarji) is burning a way to test any other gems under gemology as advised by ishwarji. also for the benefit of laymen, kindly advise under what category of gem this nagamani falls under gemology and whether all other gems under such category are BURNT at 200 or 400 degrees C to test their genuinity. if gemology science has any such test to literally and physically burn all gems under such category, kindly share the relevant portion from the scientific book or any other bible of gemology which suggests the method of burning to find genuinity of a gem. if other gems are not burnt and only nagamani as the first and only gem under gems in the list of n number of gems under gemology > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of " Gemology " . As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like " neti neti " Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known " thing " , like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as " Nagamani " or " no known substance " before a " legal " sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud. > > > > > > It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim. > > > > > > If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > > > > > Y/s, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > > > experienced . > > > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > > > companies,,, blah! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 dearjiin that case what people here say,is that you put a bucket of water and make the water rotate clockwise,and if you put ek mukhi in tha water flowing,it goes in the anticlockwise directionsaome others say they have seen it rise in a bucket of rice, when you place the rudraksha inside,just as a vishnu valampiri shankmany have seen it in a village in mysore,they have put it is said a net around the bucket ,so that when the shank rises within 10 minutes it is in such a force that the rice grains are thrown awaykrisna--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Nagamani replyTo: sacred-objects Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 9:56 PM GOOD STUFF!!! Sure they exist. But without proof even a house cannot be sold or gifted. Your descriptions remind me of late sadhu Kali Baba of Nepal. He had Eka Mukhi Gool dana Rudraksha. One of the tests he told me that if you put into river current it will float and move upstream, against the current. I had the chance to have a good look at the seed when he let me reset it in gold for him. So I went to the Bhagmati river at Pashupatinathji Mandira, I came to the muddy edge of the river, but I could not bring myself to drop the seed into the muddy the river. What if I lost it? Would that mean it was not real? What would you do in such a case? Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects, "ishwar33" <ishwar33@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > Since we are at topic of Nagamani, I thought of pulling out some scientific tests around which are known to few experts in our group. Also below is one link for sale of Nagamani with price quoted Rs 9.5 crores (1.9 Million USD), the real ones are sold for that kind of price or more. > > http://www.adoos. in/post/5727911/ nagamani_ cobra_pearl > > Nagamani can withstanded upto 200 degrees centrigrade of direct naked fire. The reflected heat given off by NM is estimated to be double up to 400 D C, with all most impoosible to hold in hand. So real nagamani cannot be held in hand. > > > When held in diamond reader it shows 1 bar movement ,a gem of natural formation and solidification of venom, similar to red coral or natural amber moves 1 bar. The pearl, glass and synthetc crystals like sphtygam has no movement in diamond reader. > > Regards, > -Ishwar > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@> > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > answering my mail, > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 dear pandijiwhat you said is very menaingfulwe have to follow the scriptures ,as they are the true ancient vision authority and wisdom of a great culture ,which no science has ever negated,otherwiseeven the ancients knew arithmetic progression,as seen in the srirudra,such as ekam,,,.thryam,,,,pancham,,,.saptham,,,, etcalso many samhithas carry theories of science,proved later onlysimilarly ,science has reached a particular level of evolution,proving many thingsit does not mean that is the only truth many natural wonders are there,which science can not explaineg the bermuda triangle,,,,it is a place described in many hindu srcriputres where an agni called Ouwrwa agni is put,which rises to surface at the time of destruction of world and was warned not to pass over that region in samudra as that it pulls down even planes or ohther carriers such as submarineswhat has science found about iteven somebody with an instrument, can not reach within 3--5 kms to that areaMany say that Nagmani exists,and some who have seen it closely, the description of which,i have given earlier.5 years back ,,,,i interviewed a boy of 14 year nearly also ,who went with the team to a forest head,and his description is believable being a boy ,without the possible crookedness of eldersthe one was described as emitting light,nearly 10 feet at night of different coloursit was chilly and electric felt,when taken at handfloated midway of a glass of waterwhen a sound was produced it withdrew the light as if living beings sensethe light emitted clould be cut with hand and would be seen as two portionsit is such a light that emits,,,,,the persons said they spent much money to even see itbut i have not seen anything like thatkrisna--- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:50 AM dear richardji firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > Y/s > > > Richard > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > answering my mail, > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > experienced . > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > > > > > > New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear Sriman, The Vedic (Hindu) shastras, like Srimad Bhagavatam from 5000 years ago describe the " atom " (Anu) and " sub-atomic particle " (Paramanu), both of which were unknown to modern science until recently. Ref... The Vedic Divisions of Time SOURCE:Srimad Bhagavat Maha-purana, Canto III, Chapter XI Translation by Richard S. Brown, GIA, PG Forward It is only recently that the Western scientists discovered the existence of the atom; but the following ancient Sanskrit verses show that the atom or anu was already known to the Asian seers thousands of years back. This information is taken from the Paramahamsa Samhita Bhagavat-puranam: III/XI, which was originally spoken by Sri Sukadeva Goswami 30 years after the start of this current Kali Yuga or exactly 5070 years ago as of 1999 AD. I consider this information to be amazing, especially as it relates to modern scientific discoveries. Remember, the following information dates back to 3070 BC. English Translations Verse 1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: " The smallest particle of material substance, which has not yet combined with any other similar particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit. Verse 2: And the entire manifest material existence, taken as a non-specific whole, and before returning to an unmanifest (dormant) state, is defined as the largest (material) size. Verse 3: We can understand the short and long dimensions of (material) time, as a potency of the Supreme all-pervading transcendental Lord, Who, in the form of the Sun, passes across the small and large dimensions of (material) things. Verse 4: The amount of time it takes the Sun to pass across the smallest particle of matter is called paramanu which is the smallest measure of time, while the period it takes to cross the total expanse of material creation is called the longest measure of time. Verse 5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye] when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which enter a room through a latticed window. Verse 6: Three Trasarenus is called a truti (8/13,500 part of a second), which is a measure of time it takes (the Sun) to travel across three Trasarenus. A combination of one hundred trutis is called a vedha (8/135 part of a second), and three vedas together is known as a lava (8/45 part of a second). Verse 7: A combination of three lavas is called a nimesha or the twinkling of an eye (8/15 part of a second), while three such nimeshas equals a ksana (8/5 part of a second). A combination of five ksanas is known as a kastha (8 seconds), and fifteen kasthas is equal to a laghu (2 minutes). Verse 8: A conglomerate of 15 laghus is called a nadika (30 minutes). Two nadikas equal a muhurta (hour), and six or seven nadikas equal a prahara (approximately 3 hours to 3 and a half hours, depending on long or short days), which is a fourth of a day by human calculation. Verse 9: A nadika can be measured by taking a copper pot weighing six palas (8 tolas=ck dictionary) that can contain about 14 ounces of water and punching a small hole in the bottom using a 10-12 " long golden needle that weighs four mashas (ck dictionary); when the pot is placed in water it takes a nadika of time (about 30 minutes) to fill up (and sink). Verse 10: Oh Vidura, who respect all beings, (the Sage Maitreya continued), for humans, day and night consist of four yamas (6 hour periods), while 15 such days & nights make up the bright or dark fortnight, by rotation. Verse 11: Two of these fortnights (the bright and the dark) equals a masah (one month consisting of 30 days length), and this period is taken as one day and one night of the forefathers (Pitris in heaven). Two of these months equal a ritu or season, while six such months is called an ayana (one full movement of the Sun from North to South or South to North). Verse 12: By the calculation of the demigods in heaven these two ayanas (12 months by human calculation) make up their celestial day and night which is one year for humans. And the full life span for humans is 100 years. sacred-objects , KRISNA <paraman777 wrote: > > dear pandiji > what you said is very menaingful > we have to follow the scriptures ,as they are the true ancient vision authority and wisdom of a great culture ,which no science has ever negated,otherwise > even the ancients knew arithmetic progression,as seen in the srirudra,such as ekam,,,.thryam,,,,pancham,,,.saptham,,,, etc > also many samhithas carry theories of science,proved later only > similarly ,science has reached a particular level of evolution,proving many things > it does not mean that is the only truth > many natural wonders are there,which science can not explain > eg the bermuda triangle,,,,it is a place described in many hindu srcriputres where an agni called Ouwrwa agni is put,which rises to surface at the time of destruction of world and was warned not to pass over that region in samudra as that it pulls down even planes or ohther carriers such as submarines > what has science found about it > even somebody with an instrument, can not reach within 3--5 kms to that area > Many say that Nagmani exists,and some who have seen it closely, the description of which,i have given earlier.5 years back ,,,,i interviewed a boy of 14 year nearly also ,who went with the team to a forest head,and his description is believable being a boy ,without the possible crookedness of elders > the one was described as emitting light,nearly 10 feet at night of different colours > it was chilly and electric felt,when taken at hand > floated midway of a glass of water > when a sound was produced it withdrew the light as if living beings sense > the light emitted clould be cut with hand and would be seen as two portions > it is such a light that emits,,,,,the persons said they spent much money to even see it > but i have not seen anything like that > krisna > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Nagamani reply > sacred-objects > Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 haineti,neti reaches one, to aatma sakshathkaara,i have never heard any method to atmasakshatkaara,or self realisation,appied to material object,such as we can not say i have found a true object by applying the principal thath thwam asii think what richardji gave was a representaion of finding out truth after negating initial or external mis interpretations and untrue appearenceskrisna--- On Sat, 11/7/09, tp mods <tpmods wrote:tp mods <tpmodsRe: Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:39 PM Richardji Neti Neti........ ....ahhhhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaa! ! After ages I heard this word,my Pranams to your Respected Guruji. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > Re: Nagamani replysacred-objectsFriday, July 10, 2009, 4:50 PM Dear Panditji,If we get specific then Naga Mani is one of the Nava (Asta?) Moti mentioned in Puranas. This means they fit under the category of "Gemology". As a long-time gemologist I can tell you the secret is elimination, like "neti neti" Not this, not that. Until you come to final conclusion, having eliminated all other possibilities. If a so-called Naga-mani is found to be some other known "thing", like glass or ivory, then we can rule out Naga Mani. A decision would HAVE to be made by a learned gemologist before any positive ID can be made, and a certificate granted as "Nagamani" or "no known substance" before a "legal" sale can be made. Otherwise a seller risks committing fraud.It is not a matter of faith any more than lakshmi shank is a collectors shell, even among non-religious conchologists. The only Nagamani I ever saw belonged to a rich Muslim.If some one wanted a certificate of ID from me I would take the trouble. If it proves REAL then I get to keep it; if it proves fake then we squirt water on them.Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:>> dear richardji> > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me.> > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes.> > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon.> > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data.> > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear Panditji,> > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel?> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends> > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object.> > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years.> > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma.> > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do.> > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma.> > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit.> > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . com, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir (Madam?),> > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here...> > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads.> > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems.> > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form.> > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal.> > > > > > > > Y/s> > > > Richard> > > > > > > > Re: nagamani> > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@>> > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM> > > > > > > > First of all thank you for> > > > answering my mail,> > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the> > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I> > > > experienced . > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person> > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani.> > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your> > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone> > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/> > > >> > >> >> New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 dear sirseverybody please notice this is wonderful and correct purana descriptiona s given by the great richardjisuch articles rarely appear in the forum,which gives us an insight to the glory of the past bharatha culture,hindu culture mostlyhindu is not a religion,it is a culture of loreas per ancient invention the duration of an year is 365.25 days whereas modern science says it is 365.2422 days,the difference also inferred to have changed with timesuch accuracy they hadthere are even now atomic radiations in the ghats and places of mountains where kurukshetra and ancient wars were fought with brahma asthra,narayana asthra as all these DIVYA ASTHRAS,were atomic weapons,used with the power of Mantrasancient hindus believed,that light as the nature of GOD,is present everywheremodern science has found that even iside atoms there is photon, smallest particle of lightthe subject is very vastpranms jiKrisnakrisna--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 8:05 PM Dear Sriman, The Vedic (Hindu) shastras, like Srimad Bhagavatam from 5000 years ago describe the "atom" (Anu) and "sub-atomic particle" (Paramanu), both of which were unknown to modern science until recently. Ref... The Vedic Divisions of Time SOURCE:Srimad Bhagavat Maha-purana, Canto III, Chapter XI Translation by Richard S. Brown, GIA, PG Forward It is only recently that the Western scientists discovered the existence of the atom; but the following ancient Sanskrit verses show that the atom or anu was already known to the Asian seers thousands of years back. This information is taken from the Paramahamsa Samhita Bhagavat-puranam: III/XI, which was originally spoken by Sri Sukadeva Goswami 30 years after the start of this current Kali Yuga or exactly 5070 years ago as of 1999 AD. I consider this information to be amazing, especially as it relates to modern scientific discoveries. Remember, the following information dates back to 3070 BC. English Translations Verse 1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: "The smallest particle of material substance, which has not yet combined with any other similar particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit. Verse 2: And the entire manifest material existence, taken as a non-specific whole, and before returning to an unmanifest (dormant) state, is defined as the largest (material) size. Verse 3: We can understand the short and long dimensions of (material) time, as a potency of the Supreme all-pervading transcendental Lord, Who, in the form of the Sun, passes across the small and large dimensions of (material) things. Verse 4: The amount of time it takes the Sun to pass across the smallest particle of matter is called paramanu which is the smallest measure of time, while the period it takes to cross the total expanse of material creation is called the longest measure of time. Verse 5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye] when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which enter a room through a latticed window. Verse 6: Three Trasarenus is called a truti (8/13,500 part of a second), which is a measure of time it takes (the Sun) to travel across three Trasarenus. A combination of one hundred trutis is called a vedha (8/135 part of a second), and three vedas together is known as a lava (8/45 part of a second). Verse 7: A combination of three lavas is called a nimesha or the twinkling of an eye (8/15 part of a second), while three such nimeshas equals a ksana (8/5 part of a second). A combination of five ksanas is known as a kastha (8 seconds), and fifteen kasthas is equal to a laghu (2 minutes). Verse 8: A conglomerate of 15 laghus is called a nadika (30 minutes). Two nadikas equal a muhurta (hour), and six or seven nadikas equal a prahara (approximately 3 hours to 3 and a half hours, depending on long or short days), which is a fourth of a day by human calculation. Verse 9: A nadika can be measured by taking a copper pot weighing six palas (8 tolas=ck dictionary) that can contain about 14 ounces of water and punching a small hole in the bottom using a 10-12" long golden needle that weighs four mashas (ck dictionary); when the pot is placed in water it takes a nadika of time (about 30 minutes) to fill up (and sink). Verse 10: Oh Vidura, who respect all beings, (the Sage Maitreya continued), for humans, day and night consist of four yamas (6 hour periods), while 15 such days & nights make up the bright or dark fortnight, by rotation. Verse 11: Two of these fortnights (the bright and the dark) equals a masah (one month consisting of 30 days length), and this period is taken as one day and one night of the forefathers (Pitris in heaven). Two of these months equal a ritu or season, while six such months is called an ayana (one full movement of the Sun from North to South or South to North). Verse 12: By the calculation of the demigods in heaven these two ayanas (12 months by human calculation) make up their celestial day and night which is one year for humans. And the full life span for humans is 100 years. sacred-objects, KRISNA <paraman777@ ...> wrote: > > dear pandiji > what you said is very menaingful > we have to follow the scriptures ,as they are the true ancient vision authority and wisdom of a great culture ,which no science has ever negated,otherwise > even the ancients knew arithmetic progression, as seen in the srirudra,such as ekam,,,.thryam, ,,,pancham, ,,.saptham, ,,, etc > also many samhithas carry theories of science,proved later only > similarly ,science has reached a particular level of evolution,proving many things > it does not mean that is the only truth > many natural wonders are there,which science can not explain > eg the bermuda triangle,,,, it is a place described in many hindu srcriputres where an agni called Ouwrwa agni is put,which rises to surface at the time of destruction of world and was warned not to pass over that region in samudra as that it pulls down even planes or ohther carriers such as submarines > what has science found about it > even somebody with an instrument, can not reach within 3--5 kms to that area > Many say that Nagmani exists,and some who have seen it closely, the description of which,i have given earlier.5 years back ,,,,i interviewed a boy of 14 year nearly also ,who went with the team to a forest head,and his description is believable being a boy ,without the possible crookedness of elders > the one was described as emitting light,nearly 10 feet at night of different colours > it was chilly and electric felt,when taken at hand > floated midway of a glass of water > when a sound was produced it withdrew the light as if living beings sense > the light emitted clould be cut with hand and would be seen as two portions > it is such a light that emits,,,,,the persons said they spent much money to even see it > but i have not seen anything like that > krisna > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > Re: Nagamani reply > sacred-objects > Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 IF NM exists it can be in rain forest where king cobra lives,for example Kerala and Sri Lanka.Remember King Cobra is quite bigger than normal Cobras.--- On Sat, 7/11/09, KRISNA <paraman777 wrote: KRISNA <paraman777Re: Re: Nagamani replysacred-objects Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:27 AM dear pandijiwhat you said is very menaingfulwe have to follow the scriptures ,as they are the true ancient vision authority and wisdom of a great culture ,which no science has ever negated,otherwiseeven the ancients knew arithmetic progression, as seen in the srirudra,such as ekam,,,.thryam, ,,,pancham, ,,.saptham, ,,, etcalso many samhithas carry theories of science,proved later onlysimilarly ,science has reached a particular level of evolution,proving many thingsit does not mean that is the only truth many natural wonders are there,which science can not explaineg the bermuda triangle,,,, it is a place described in many hindu srcriputres where an agni called Ouwrwa agni is put,which rises to surface at the time of destruction of world and was warned not to pass over that region in samudra as that it pulls down even planes or ohther carriers such as submarineswhat has science found about iteven somebody with an instrument, can not reach within 3--5 kms to that areaMany say that Nagmani exists,and some who have seen it closely, the description of which,i have given earlier.5 years back ,,,,i interviewed a boy of 14 year nearly also ,who went with the team to a forest head,and his description is believable being a boy ,without the possible crookedness of eldersthe one was described as emitting light,nearly 10 feet at night of different coloursit was chilly and electric felt,when taken at handfloated midway of a glass of waterwhen a sound was produced it withdrew the light as if living beings sensethe light emitted clould be cut with hand and would be seen as two portionsit is such a light that emits,,,,,the persons said they spent much money to even see itbut i have not seen anything like thatkrisna--- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: Nagamani replysacred-objectsSaturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:50 AM dear richardjifirstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me.to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes.whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon.having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data.as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comsacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Dear Panditji,> > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel?> > Y/s,> Richard> > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> >> > dear friends> > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object.> > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years.> > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma.> > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do.> > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma.> > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit.> > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir (Madam?),> > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here...> > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads.> > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems.> > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form.> > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal.> > > > > > Y/s> > > Richard> > > > > > Re: nagamani> > > "Rick Brown" <rsbj66@>> > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM> > > > > > First of all thank you for> > > answering my mail,> > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the> > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I> > > experienced . > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person> > > who got good knowledge about nagamani.> > > Through the help of google i found about you and your> > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone> > > www.richardshawbrow n.com> > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/> > >> >> New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.Hurry before someone else does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 dear friends after having done initial study of various scriptural references, i understand there are many snake pearls aka nagamanis with different colours. so members please dont fix to an observation that nagamani is only in one colour. following link is a good write up on nagamani. http://www.divinenet.arthost.biz/generic.asp?p=1 & i=151 with best wishes and blessinsg pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , KRISNA <paraman777 wrote: > > dear pandiji > what you said is very menaingful > we have to follow the scriptures ,as they are the true ancient vision authority and wisdom of a great culture ,which no science has ever negated,otherwise > even the ancients knew arithmetic progression,as seen in the srirudra,such as ekam,,,.thryam,,,,pancham,,,.saptham,,,, etc > also many samhithas carry theories of science,proved later only > similarly ,science has reached a particular level of evolution,proving many things > it does not mean that is the only truth > many natural wonders are there,which science can not explain > eg the bermuda triangle,,,,it is a place described in many hindu srcriputres where an agni called Ouwrwa agni is put,which rises to surface at the time of destruction of world and was warned not to pass over that region in samudra as that it pulls down even planes or ohther carriers such as submarines > what has science found about it > even somebody with an instrument, can not reach within 3--5 kms to that area > Many say that Nagmani exists,and some who have seen it closely, the description of which,i have given earlier.5 years back ,,,,i interviewed a boy of 14 year nearly also ,who went with the team to a forest head,and his description is believable being a boy ,without the possible crookedness of elders > the one was described as emitting light,nearly 10 feet at night of different colours > it was chilly and electric felt,when taken at hand > floated midway of a glass of water > when a sound was produced it withdrew the light as if living beings sense > the light emitted clould be cut with hand and would be seen as two portions > it is such a light that emits,,,,,the persons said they spent much money to even see it > but i have not seen anything like that > krisna > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Nagamani reply > sacred-objects > Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 1:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > firstly kindly let me clarify that i was only giving my point of making available something IF it comes to me. > > > > to speak the truth, i have NOT YET laid my hands on a nagamani and hence do not comment. however, god willing, if the nagamani wish to bless someone through me, surely i will get a nagamani soonest and would waste no time in offering it to the discerning customers who have faith and belief. of course the photographs and details would be shared in public for all to see and comment if and when it comes. > > > > whenever you deal in something for the first time, it is always fraught with lack of historic data or experience. four decades ago when some unclear voices were heard on the radio and some images were shown on the tv, the whole world believed curiously that the man has landed on the moon and is speaking from the moon. it is a different thing that even after most modern sophisticated technological innovations later, no second bold attempt was made till date to send another man to the moon. > > > > having said the above, i am not shy of dealing something for the first time just because of no past experience or lack of data. > > > > as regards scepticism and disbelief, there are crores of atheists across the world and who trash a stone as a stone but those who worship a stone as sacred shviling dont try to convince the disbelievers. simply put, any sacred object is meant for the believers. science has a limited role to play. for example if i say the ruling lord of a particular rudrakhsa is so and so, that so and so diety does not sit on the rudrakhsa nor his percieved or assumed image is inscribed over the rudraksha. it is simply the belief as written in the sacred texts and followed only by believers. believers buy and get certain benefits as attributed. > > > > similarly if a nagamani comes to us and the native gets the benefits as inscribed in the garuda purana as narrated by you over a period of time, naturally the native validates it as a nagamani having given what it is supposed to be. anyway i deal purely on faith and belief of what scriptures say and offer to those who believe in scriptures and faith. for those who go only by lab report, they are at liberty to do so and i respect their liberty and freedom. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Some members are directing my attention to clear transparent so-called Nagamani. I tested. Result: Artificial glass. > > > > > > Now, If someone sold you a ruby as ruby, then you tested and it was Artificial Glass! - How would you feel? > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > the conclusive view expessed by richardji that only fools sell a nagamani is true to any normal person who gets hold of a priceless nagamani or lakshmi shankh or any other rarest holy sacred object. > > > > > > > > however, let me adivse the members as to how three types of humans used to get hold of sacred objects and how they used them in the yester years. > > > > > > > > the categorisation is based on the satva, rajas and tamas gunas. brahmins of yester yugas (with satva guna) in general and sages in particular used to do lot of meditations, tapas etc. and they always and at all times pray and seek boons for the wellbeing of the world and nothing for self. i can narrate thousands of stories from puranas where sages got so many holy objects which they gifted to kings to look after the people of the kingdom etc. applying this in present time, if a selfless sage gets such things, he would surely dont keep and give away to a king or a person who donates for the cause of dharma. > > > > > > > > kings, vaishyas and others of yesteryugas (with rajas guna) also used to search, do tapas and get such objects either for their own benefit or for the benefit of their near and dear and they also used to barter or sell for a good deal. present day, this sort of people under tamas guna comprising of businessmen and materially successful people search and get something for their benefit and they dont mind paying a premium like all collectors of sacred objects do. > > > > > > > > rakshasas of yesteryugas (with tamas guna) also used to search, do tapas or take by force such objects and most of the time they use the objects to overpower and cause harm to others. presently this apply to those who use secretive divine course of tantra with some sacred objects to harm others which is adharma. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, members may kindly infer that if a selfless person gets hold of a sacred object which is priceless and produce miracles but he has no use, he would surely gift away or sell to others where this can benefit. > > > > > > > > accordingly, i am a single person who do not need such great material benefits which such priceless objects like nagamani deliver but if i get hold of a nagamani, will surely make it available to a discerning collector and do take a donation. good news is that this group is the first place where i would offer it first if and when i get it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Rick Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir (Madam?), > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your question. Below is what Sri Garuda Purana says about Nagamani. I have seen so many fools and rascals concerning so-called Nagamani. But I have photo and have personally seen real, as described here... > > > > > > > > > > Besides oyster pearls there are seven other types found in conch shells, wild boars' heads, elephant heads, king cobra's heads, bamboo stems, clouds, and fish heads. > > > > > > > > > > Pearls from the cobra's hood are perfectly round, like fish pearls, and they radiate a natural effulgence. By repeated washing, a snake pearl becomes as lustrous as a polished sword blade. Anyone possessing such a naga-mani attains piety, rare good fortune, and eventually becomes illustrious as a leader of men, complete with a great collection of all precious gems. > > > > > > > > > > Upon acquiring such a snake pearl, the owner should have the rite of installation performed y a priest who is learned in religious formalities. After hearing from the owner how the pearl was obtained and conducting the benedictory ritual, the priest should formally install the jewel inside the owner's house. On such an auspicious occasion, the sky becomes filled with dark and heavy rain clouds, thunder, and flashing lightning,such as exhibited at the time of universal dissolution. A man in possession of such a snake pearl will never be troubled by snakes, demonic beings, diseases, or disturbances in any form. > > > > > > > > > > My question is Do you WANT one? Do you HAVE one? The only one I ever saw would not sell for any price. It is priceless. Only a fool would sell away a lucky priceless sacred-object. Selling it means it DOESN'T WORK and/or is BOGUS. So anyone who wants to sell is either a fool or a rascal. > > > > > > > > > > Y/s > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Re: nagamani > > > > > " Rick Brown " <rsbj66@> > > > > > Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > First of all thank you for > > > > > answering my mail, > > > > > yes i accept that i don't have much knowledge about the > > > > > nagamani .....I am sending you the total things which I > > > > > experienced . > > > > > Then I checked in internet for some genuine person > > > > > who got good knowledge about nagamani. > > > > > Through the help of google i found about you and your > > > > > companies,,, blah! Blah! > > > > > > > > > > Rick Brown's iPhone > > > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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