Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Namaskar Ronald, I'd cracked many 5 mukhis from Nepal in the past and found most of them had 'chambers' or 'quarters'. When those chambers are probed, the seeds become visible, usually 3 big and 2 small, sometimes 4 big and 1 tiny. Its like pot luck. I think along the same lines as you about the colored varna varieties being dyed seeds. Just saw your 2 new pics. The 2 mukhi Ganesh bead is a fine specimen and your Garbh Gauri is also great. sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef wrote: > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed for > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses also > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > verify if fake or authentic. > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe green > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen naturally, > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible pulp. > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe fruits > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > from human tampering and profit motivation. > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some profit > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > Posted 2 more pics. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 tpmods, I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider when choosing a location. For growing info here is a link - http://toptropicals.com/html/toptropicals/plant_wk/elaeocarpus.htm http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/elaeocarpus_ganitrus.htm When I have time I will post more pics. Ronald sacred-objects , " tpmods " <tpmods wrote: > > Ronald > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > and regards > sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > for > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > also > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > verify if fake or authentic. > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > green > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > naturally, > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > pulp. > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > fruits > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > profit > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > sacred-objects , " kerryhermes " <kerryhermes@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > of > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > course > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > kind, > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > more > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > it has > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > an 8 > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > more > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > pic, > > > what > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > know > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > spiraled, > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " kerryhermes " > <kerryhermes@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > out > > > conch > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > mouth > > > part > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > peeling-off > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > multifaceted > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > spiraled > > > like a > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > have > > > another > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > defined. I > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Ronald Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious,I live near sea shore and progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. best regards fm tpmods--- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: rnldef <rnldef Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM tpmods,I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which areproducing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. Ionly recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) forfruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifoliusis also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, Idon't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to considerwhen choosing a location.For growing info here is a link -http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htmhttp://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htmWhen I have time I will post more pics.Ronaldsacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods wrote:>> Ronald> I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > and regards> sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> >> > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open> > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > for> > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > also> > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > verify if fake or authentic. > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > green> > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > naturally,> > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > pulp.> > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > fruits> > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free> > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > profit> > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" <kerryhermes@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > of > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > course > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > kind, > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > more > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > it has > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > an 8 > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > more> > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > pic, > > > what> > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > know> > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > spiraled,> > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > out > > > conch > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > mouth > > > part > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > peeling-off > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > multifaceted> > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha> > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > spiraled > > > like a> > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > have > > > another> > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > defined. I> > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 tpmods, I planted mine in the forest so they were on there own without any maintenance. These are vigorous and fast growing trees so they may not need a lot of care, except for the usual like protection from winds, night beetles, etc. when young. A thick layer of composted leaf mulch underneath also helps retain moisture which attracts earthworms. You'd be better off contacting a local nursery or Hinduism Today for this kind of info, maybe they could send you E. angustifolius seeds as well. I could also possibly send some seeds but I don't know when, how much it would cost or what the Customs regulations are for my and your country (export / import permits,etc). Maybe rsbj66 has that kind of info. I have tried importing seeds from India and it is not worth the trouble. sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > Ronald > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious,I live near sea shore and progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > best regards fm tpmods > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM tpmods, > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > when choosing a location. > For growing info here is a link - > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > When I have time I will post more pics. > Ronald > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > Ronald > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > and regards > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > for > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > also > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > green > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > naturally, > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > pulp. > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > fruits > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > profit > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " <kerryhermes@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > of > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > course > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > kind, > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > more > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > it has > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > an 8 > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > more > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > pic, > > > > what > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > know > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > spiraled, > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > out > > > > conch > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > mouth > > > > part > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > peeling-off > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > multifaceted > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > spiraled > > > > like a > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > have > > > > another > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Dear Ronald Thx so much again for repling to me,I do have seeds from Rudraksha Ratna but they must be of Elaeocarpus ganitrus roxb and not Elaeocarpus angustifolious,Richard can you help me on this please?And Ronald I can see lots and lots of earthwarms in my soil when I dig them so this should be good like what you have written.I have also dropped a mail to hinduism today and waiting for their reply. truly yours TPm--- On Mon, 7/21/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: rnldef <rnldef Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:09 PM tpmods,I planted mine in the forest so they were on there own without anymaintenance. These are vigorous and fast growing trees so they may notneed a lot of care, except for the usual like protection from winds,night beetles, etc. when young. A thick layer of composted leaf mulchunderneath also helps retain moisture which attracts earthworms.You'd be better off contacting a local nursery or Hinduism Today forthis kind of info, maybe they could send you E. angustifolius seeds aswell. I could also possibly send some seeds but I don't know when, howmuch it would cost or what the Customs regulations are for my and yourcountry (export / import permits,etc) . Maybe rsbj66 has that kind ofinfo. I have tried importing seeds from India and it is not worth thetrouble.sacred-objects, tp mods <tpmods wrote:>> Ronald> Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in mydatabase,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea fromwhere I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore andprogress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half adozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how manytimes and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again.> best regards fm tpmods> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote:> > rnldef <rnldef> Re: Rudraksha mystery> sacred-objects> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM> > > > > > > tpmods,> I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are> producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I> only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for> fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius> is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I> don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider> when choosing a location.> For growing info here is a link -> http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm> http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm> When I have time I will post more pics.> Ronald> > sacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods@> wrote:> >> > Ronald> > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > and regards> > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open> > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > for> > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > also> > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > green> > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > naturally,> > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > pulp.> > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > fruits> > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free> > > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > profit> > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes"<kerryhermes@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > of > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > course > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > kind, > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > more > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > it has > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > an 8 > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . com, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > more> > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > pic, > > > > what> > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > know> > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > spiraled,> > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > out > > > > conch > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > mouth > > > > part > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > peeling-off > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > multifaceted> > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha> > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > spiraled > > > > like a> > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > have > > > > another> > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > defined. I> > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 ---Namaste!!! I'm no expert. Sriman Kamal Sita Narayan, father of Smt Neetaji, is the leading authority that I know of. Please consult them. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > Dear Ronald > Thx so much again for repling to me,I do have seeds from Rudraksha Ratna but they must be of Elaeocarpus ganitrus roxb and not Elaeocarpus angustifolious,Richard can you help me on this please?And Ronald I can see lots and lots of earthwarms in my soil when I dig them so this should be good like what you have written.I have also dropped a mail to hinduism today and waiting for their reply. > truly yours > TPm > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:09 PM tpmods, > I planted mine in the forest so they were on there own without any > maintenance. These are vigorous and fast growing trees so they may not > need a lot of care, except for the usual like protection from winds, > night beetles, etc. when young. A thick layer of composted leaf mulch > underneath also helps retain moisture which attracts earthworms. > You'd be better off contacting a local nursery or Hinduism Today for > this kind of info, maybe they could send you E. angustifolius seeds as > well. I could also possibly send some seeds but I don't know when, how > much it would cost or what the Customs regulations are for my and your > country (export / import permits,etc) . Maybe rsbj66 has that kind of > info. I have tried importing seeds from India and it is not worth the > trouble. > > sacred-objects, tp mods <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > Ronald > > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my > database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from > where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and > progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a > dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many > times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > > best regards fm tpmods > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > rnldef <rnldef@> > > Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tpmods, > > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > > when choosing a location. > > For growing info here is a link - > > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > > When I have time I will post more pics. > > Ronald > > > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > > > Ronald > > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > > and regards > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > > for > > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > > also > > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > > green > > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > > naturally, > > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > > pulp. > > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > > fruits > > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > > profit > > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > > of > > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > > course > > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > > kind, > > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > > it has > > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > > an 8 > > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > > pic, > > > > > what > > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > > know > > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > > spiraled, > > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > > out > > > > > conch > > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > > mouth > > > > > part > > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > > peeling-off > > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > > multifaceted > > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > > spiraled > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > > have > > > > > another > > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Sriman, Sri Chandrashekar Padke is also an expert member you can ask. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > Dear Ronald > Thx so much again for repling to me,I do have seeds from Rudraksha Ratna but they must be of Elaeocarpus ganitrus roxb and not Elaeocarpus angustifolious,Richard can you help me on this please?And Ronald I can see lots and lots of earthwarms in my soil when I dig them so this should be good like what you have written.I have also dropped a mail to hinduism today and waiting for their reply. > truly yours > TPm > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:09 PM tpmods, > I planted mine in the forest so they were on there own without any > maintenance. These are vigorous and fast growing trees so they may not > need a lot of care, except for the usual like protection from winds, > night beetles, etc. when young. A thick layer of composted leaf mulch > underneath also helps retain moisture which attracts earthworms. > You'd be better off contacting a local nursery or Hinduism Today for > this kind of info, maybe they could send you E. angustifolius seeds as > well. I could also possibly send some seeds but I don't know when, how > much it would cost or what the Customs regulations are for my and your > country (export / import permits,etc) . Maybe rsbj66 has that kind of > info. I have tried importing seeds from India and it is not worth the > trouble. > > sacred-objects, tp mods <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > Ronald > > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my > database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from > where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and > progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a > dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many > times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > > best regards fm tpmods > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > rnldef <rnldef@> > > Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tpmods, > > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > > when choosing a location. > > For growing info here is a link - > > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > > When I have time I will post more pics. > > Ronald > > > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > > > Ronald > > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > > and regards > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > > for > > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > > also > > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > > green > > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > > naturally, > > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > > pulp. > > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > > fruits > > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > > profit > > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > > of > > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > > course > > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > > kind, > > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > > it has > > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > > an 8 > > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > > pic, > > > > > what > > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > > know > > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > > spiraled, > > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > > out > > > > > conch > > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > > mouth > > > > > part > > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > > peeling-off > > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > > multifaceted > > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > > spiraled > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > > have > > > > > another > > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends, Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or more species under a species which is scientifically described in research papers earlier than other species, if botanical characters of such species are matching. New species is only made if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for Botanical Nomenclature'. It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden, Kew, Surrey, England. I am suggesting the following link: Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus angustifolius Blume: ...www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?14940 - 26k - Cached - Similar pagesMore results from www.ars-grin.gov » List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link : Synonyms: (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb.(previously associated with 2 accessions) (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell.(previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct.(previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn. Thanking you and with best wishes, Chandrashekhar Phadke--- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods wrote: tp mods <tpmodsRe: Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM Ronald Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. best regards fm tpmods--- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote: rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objectsSaturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM tpmods,I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which areproducing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. Ionly recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) forfruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifoliusis also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, Idon't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to considerwhen choosing a location.For growing info here is a link -http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htmhttp://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htmWhen I have time I will post more pics.Ronaldsacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods wrote:>> Ronald> I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > and regards> sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> >> > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open> > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > for> > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > also> > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > verify if fake or authentic. > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > green> > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > naturally,> > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > pulp.> > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > fruits> > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free> > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > profit> > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" <kerryhermes@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > of > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > course > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > kind, > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > more > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > it has > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > an 8 > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > more> > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > pic, > > > what> > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > know> > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > spiraled,> > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > out > > > conch > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > mouth > > > part > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > peeling-off > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > multifaceted> > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha> > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > spiraled > > > like a> > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > have > > > another> > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > defined. I> > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Thanks very much dear Chandrashekhar Phadkeji for giving us your valued guidelines on this subject.--- On Wed, 7/23/08, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke wrote: chandrashekhar phadke <chphadkeRe: Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:00 AM Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends, Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or more species under a species which is scientifically described in research papers earlier than other species, if botanical characters of such species are matching. New species is only made if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for Botanical Nomenclature' . It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden, Kew, Surrey, England. I am suggesting the following link: Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus angustifolius Blume: ...www.ars-grin. gov/cgi-bin/ npgs/html/ taxon.pl? 14940 - 26k - Cached - Similar pagesMore results from www.ars-grin. gov » List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link : Synonyms: (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb.(previously associated with 2 accessions) (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell.(previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct.(previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn. Thanking you and with best wishes, Chandrashekhar Phadke--- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods > wrote: tp mods <tpmods >Re: Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objectsSunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM Ronald Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. best regards fm tpmods--- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote: rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objectsSaturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM tpmods,I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which areproducing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. Ionly recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) forfruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifoliusis also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, Idon't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to considerwhen choosing a location.For growing info here is a link -http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htmhttp://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htmWhen I have time I will post more pics.Ronaldsacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods wrote:>> Ronald> I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > and regards> sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> >> > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open> > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > for> > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > also> > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > verify if fake or authentic. > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > green> > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > naturally,> > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > pulp.> > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > fruits> > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free> > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > profit> > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" <kerryhermes@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > of > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > course > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > kind, > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > more > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > it has > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > an 8 > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > more> > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > pic, > > > what> > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > know> > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > spiraled,> > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > out > > > conch > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > mouth > > > part > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > peeling-off > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > multifaceted> > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha> > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > spiraled > > > like a> > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > have > > > another> > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > defined. I> > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Namaskar readers, I am not claiming to be an authority and could be wrong, but I hold that E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus) are different species, and have posted a pic of both seeds for comparison in Photos - Rudaksha Offerings. Although the trees look alike, there is a lot of variation in seed shape and fruit taste amongst E. angustifolius trees, but E. ganitrus seeds are consistent in shape and taste among different trees of same species. Of the two, E. ganitrus fruits taste a lot better, are easier to clean and produce more multifaceted seeds. Not all E. angustifolius fruits are palatable and are usually more difficult to clean. That is why I recommended E. ganitrus for cultivation, based on my own experience and also on identification from the arboretum here, regardless of what the British gardens say. E. serratus (Ceylon Olive) is also worth cultivating, it produces mostly 3 faceted elongated seeds with edible green fruits. But variety is the spice of life. Ronald sacred-objects , chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke wrote: > > Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends, >  > Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or more species under a species which is scientifically described in research papers earlier than other species, if botanical characters of such species are matching. New species is only made if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or  flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for Botanical Nomenclature'. >  > It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. >  > I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden, Kew, Surrey, England. >  > I am suggesting the following link: >  >  Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN > > > > > Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus angustifolius Blume: ... > www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?14940 - 26k - Cached - Similar pages > More results from www.ars-grin.gov » >  > List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link : >  > Synonyms: > > > (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. > (previously associated with 2 accessions) > (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell. > (previously associated with 1 accession) > (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct. > (previously associated with 1 accession) > (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn. > > Thanking you and with best wishes, >  > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > tp mods <tpmods > Re: Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM > > > > > Ronald > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > best regards fm tpmods > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > > > > > tpmods, > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > when choosing a location. > For growing info here is a link - > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > When I have time I will post more pics. > Ronald > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > Ronald > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > and regards > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > for > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > also > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > green > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > naturally, > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > pulp. > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > fruits > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > profit > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " <kerryhermes@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > of > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > course > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > kind, > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > more > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > it has > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > an 8 > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > more > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > pic, > > > > what > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > know > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > spiraled, > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > out > > > > conch > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > mouth > > > > part > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > peeling-off > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > multifaceted > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > spiraled > > > > like a > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > have > > > > another > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Dear Ronald Let's continue this discussion further,I saw your photo collection and the one described as "Unknown Rudraksha Species"look like Jawa type beads to me on first look,let experts like Mr.Phadkeji comment on this. On your observation btwn E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus),although I have NOT visited any Rudraksha forest of my own but from seeing photos I feel that both types LOOK certainly different,I have seen snapshots of Rudraksha trees from Nepal and they are E.Ganitrus but they looks shallow with more branches on the main trunk where the one grow in Hawaii Forest are huge trees with main trunk going up to a whoping level of 60-80 meters and this surely look a different than E.Ganitrus(must be like what you have said is E.Angustifolius),let's contine this discussion untill we get clear idea between the two..Phadkeji we are waiting for your comments on this.--- On Thu, 7/24/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: rnldef <rnldef Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 3:26 AM Namaskar readers,I am not claiming to be an authority and could be wrong, but I holdthat E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus) aredifferent species, and have posted a pic of both seeds for comparisonin Photos - Rudaksha Offerings. Although the trees look alike, thereis a lot of variation in seed shape and fruit taste amongst E.angustifolius trees, but E. ganitrus seeds are consistent in shape andtaste among different trees of same species. Of the two, E. ganitrusfruits taste a lot better, are easier to clean and produce moremultifaceted seeds. Not all E. angustifolius fruits are palatable andare usually more difficult to clean. That is why I recommended E.ganitrus for cultivation, based on my own experience and also onidentification from the arboretum here, regardless of what the Britishgardens say. E. serratus (Ceylon Olive) is also worth cultivating, itproduces mostly 3 faceted elongated seeds with edible green fruits.But variety is the spice of life.Ronaldsacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke<chphadke@.. .> wrote: > > Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends,>  > Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpusganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and alsoGanitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two ormore species under a species which is scientifically described inresearch papers earlier than other species, if botanicalcharacters of such species are matching. New species is only madeif there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code forBotanical Nomenclature' . >  > It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifoliusis same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruitslook different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha andnot about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. >  > I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden,Kew, Surrey, England. >  > I am suggesting the following link:>  >  Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN > > > > > Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associatedwith 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpusangustifolius Blume: ...> www.ars-grin. gov/cgi-bin/ npgs/html/ taxon.pl? 14940 - 26k - Cached -Similar pages> More results from www.ars-grin. gov »>  > List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link :>  > Synonyms:> > > (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb.> (previously associated with 2 accessions) > (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell.> (previously associated with 1 accession) > (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct.> (previously associated with 1 accession) > (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn.> > Thanking you and with best wishes,>  > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods wrote:> > tp mods <tpmods> Re: Re: Rudraksha mystery> sacred-objects> Date: Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald> Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in mydatabase,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea fromwhere I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore andprogress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half adozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how manytimes and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again.> best regards fm tpmods> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote:> > rnldef <rnldef >> Re: Rudraksha mystery> sacred-objects> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM> > > > > tpmods,> I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are> producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I> only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for> fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius> is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I> don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider> when choosing a location.> For growing info here is a link -> http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm> http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm> When I have time I will post more pics.> Ronald> > sacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods@> wrote:> >> > Ronald> > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > and regards> > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open> > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > for> > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > also> > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > green> > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > naturally,> > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > pulp.> > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > fruits> > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free> > > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > profit> > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes"<kerryhermes@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > of > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > course > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > kind, > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > more > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > it has > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > an 8 > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . com, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > more> > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > pic, > > > > what> > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > know> > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > spiraled,> > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > out > > > > conch > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > mouth > > > > part > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > peeling-off > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > multifaceted> > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha> > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > spiraled > > > > like a> > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > have > > > > another> > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > defined. I> > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, onhttp://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thanks tp mods, I have tentatively identified the unknown species as E. persicaefolius from New Caladonia, it probably also grows in other places like Java as you mentioned. Even though the leaves of this tree are smaller than those of both E. angustifolius and E. ganitrus, with the fruits being about the same size as E. ganitrus but different in taste (more astringent) and the seeds obviously different (as in photo 15 mukhi 1), it is listed as a synonym of E. angustifolius on one web site but I question it's accuracy - http://www2.bishopmuseum.org/HBS/botany/cultivatedplants/?pg=search & str=Elaeocar\ pus%20grandis & fld= & lngID=-1059423675 Also the University of Hawaii amongst others, lists E. ganitrus as a synonym of E. angustifolius. So I called the arboretum here that has these trees to see if they could assist in identification, if and when they reply I will forward that info. This is new information to me as I always thought these were two different species. http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/forestry/Data/Species_Pages/Page_D-E.html If you need clearer more detailed pictures they will have to be emailed. sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > Dear Ronald > Let's continue this discussion further,I saw your photo collection and the one described as " Unknown Rudraksha Species " look like Jawa type beads to me on first look,let experts like Mr.Phadkeji comment on this. > On your observation btwn E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus),although I have NOT visited any Rudraksha forest of my own but from seeing photos I feel that both types LOOK certainly different,I have seen snapshots of Rudraksha trees from Nepal and they are E.Ganitrus but they looks shallow with more branches on the main trunk where the one grow in Hawaii Forest are huge trees with main trunk going up to a whoping level of 60-80 meters and this surely look a different than E.Ganitrus(must be like what you have said is E.Angustifolius),let's contine this discussion untill we get clear idea between the two..Phadkeji we are waiting for your comments on this. > > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Thursday, July 24, 2008, 3:26 AM Namaskar readers, > I am not claiming to be an authority and could be wrong, but I hold > that E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus) are > different species, and have posted a pic of both seeds for comparison > in Photos - Rudaksha Offerings. Although the trees look alike, there > is a lot of variation in seed shape and fruit taste amongst E. > angustifolius trees, but E. ganitrus seeds are consistent in shape and > taste among different trees of same species. Of the two, E. ganitrus > fruits taste a lot better, are easier to clean and produce more > multifaceted seeds. Not all E. angustifolius fruits are palatable and > are usually more difficult to clean. That is why I recommended E. > ganitrus for cultivation, based on my own experience and also on > identification from the arboretum here, regardless of what the British > gardens say. E. serratus (Ceylon Olive) is also worth cultivating, it > produces mostly 3 faceted elongated seeds with edible green fruits. > But variety is the spice of life. > Ronald > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends, > >  > > Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus > ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also > Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or > more species under a species which is scientifically described in > research papers earlier than other species, if botanical > characters of such species are matching. New species is only made > if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or >  flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for > Botanical Nomenclature' . > >  > > It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius > is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits > look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and > not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. > >  > > I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden, > Kew, Surrey, England. > >  > > I am suggesting the following link: > >  > >  Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN > > > > > > > > > > Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated > with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus > angustifolius Blume: ... > > www.ars-grin. gov/cgi-bin/ npgs/html/ taxon.pl? 14940 - 26k - Cached - > Similar pages > > More results from www.ars-grin. gov » > >  > > List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link : > >  > > Synonyms: > > > > > > (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. > > (previously associated with 2 accessions) > > (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell. > > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct. > > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn. > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > >  > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > tp mods <tpmods@> > > Re: Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald > > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my > database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from > where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and > progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a > dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many > times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > > best regards fm tpmods > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote: > > > > rnldef <rnldef > > > Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > tpmods, > > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > > when choosing a location. > > For growing info here is a link - > > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > > When I have time I will post more pics. > > Ronald > > > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > > > Ronald > > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > > and regards > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > > for > > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > > also > > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > > green > > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > > naturally, > > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > > pulp. > > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > > fruits > > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > > profit > > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > > of > > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > > course > > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > > kind, > > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > > it has > > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > > an 8 > > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > > pic, > > > > > what > > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > > know > > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > > spiraled, > > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > > out > > > > > conch > > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > > mouth > > > > > part > > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > > peeling-off > > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > > multifaceted > > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > > spiraled > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > > have > > > > > another > > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 The Rudraksha mystery and Power of Rudraksha There is another commonly available equipment " Photon multiplier " to measure light emitted from Rudrakshas. The multipliers can measure the very small quantities of light in absolute dark room and record measurements bio-photons (bio= of life or living + photon= light) The possibilities are exponentially emourous. Technically, to verify the genuiness of, Or how much the Energisation of biological substance(s) is/are energised by the mantra chants and hence the effective efficicy. (as touted) can be assessed). Its a common human health measurement equipment among New Aquarius Age practioners as all human beings emitted light too in different state of health and in different state of conciousness. There is also the VRIC Imaging methods. Cheers sacred-objects , " kerryhermes " <kerryhermes wrote: > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds of > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of course > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a kind, > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 more > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say it has > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its an 8 > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > collector beads. > > > sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 more > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side pic, > what > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I know > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > spiraled, > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > sacred-objects , " kerryhermes " <kerryhermes@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned out > conch > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The mouth > part > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the peeling- off > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this multifaceted > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is spiraled > like a > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I have > another > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > defined. I > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 tp mods / readers referring to post #5403 Regarding this previous thread, I contacted the local arboretum that has these trees for help in identification, it seems from the caretaker's reply they don't know either - " I wouldn't presume to make any judgments on these seeds with my present state of knowledge. I know what I know from the literature and the web, and both confuse the hell out of me. We don't send these seeds out, but if we do in the future, it will be with the caveat that we really don't know what we're talking about. " So the jury is out and it would take some more research to find an answer. I recommended cultivating the smaller smoother seeds for the reasons I have already given. Richard prabhu, I recently posted in Photos-Trees two verses from my copy of Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu about Amla, Peepul, Tulasi etc. I think you should delete it because the quality is not readable. If you want I can try to repost another copy that may be legible. I have not seen any advice to wear Rudraksha in any Gaudiya Vashnava literature, is that intentional? Referring to your much earlier posting #163 (10/10/05) about the lack of Brahma worship in India, there are Puranic legends explaining why, that perhaps you already know of. If I send my birth details can you recommend which stones should be worn and avoided? Ronald sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote: > > Dear Ronald > Let's continue this discussion further,I saw your photo collection and the one described as " Unknown Rudraksha Species " look like Jawa type beads to me on first look,let experts like Mr.Phadkeji comment on this. > On your observation btwn E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus),although I have NOT visited any Rudraksha forest of my own but from seeing photos I feel that both types LOOK certainly different,I have seen snapshots of Rudraksha trees from Nepal and they are E.Ganitrus but they looks shallow with more branches on the main trunk where the one grow in Hawaii Forest are huge trees with main trunk going up to a whoping level of 60-80 meters and this surely look a different than E.Ganitrus(must be like what you have said is E.Angustifolius),let's contine this discussion untill we get clear idea between the two..Phadkeji we are waiting for your comments on this. > > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: > > rnldef <rnldef > Re: Rudraksha mystery > sacred-objects > Thursday, July 24, 2008, 3:26 AM Namaskar readers, > I am not claiming to be an authority and could be wrong, but I hold > that E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus) are > different species, and have posted a pic of both seeds for comparison > in Photos - Rudaksha Offerings. Although the trees look alike, there > is a lot of variation in seed shape and fruit taste amongst E. > angustifolius trees, but E. ganitrus seeds are consistent in shape and > taste among different trees of same species. Of the two, E. ganitrus > fruits taste a lot better, are easier to clean and produce more > multifaceted seeds. Not all E. angustifolius fruits are palatable and > are usually more difficult to clean. That is why I recommended E. > ganitrus for cultivation, based on my own experience and also on > identification from the arboretum here, regardless of what the British > gardens say. E. serratus (Ceylon Olive) is also worth cultivating, it > produces mostly 3 faceted elongated seeds with edible green fruits. > But variety is the spice of life. > Ronald > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends, > >  > > Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus > ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also > Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or > more species under a species which is scientifically described in > research papers earlier than other species, if botanical > characters of such species are matching. New species is only made > if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or >  flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for > Botanical Nomenclature' . > >  > > It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius > is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits > look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and > not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. > >  > > I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden, > Kew, Surrey, England. > >  > > I am suggesting the following link: > >  > >  Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN > > > > > > > > > > Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated > with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus > angustifolius Blume: ... > > www.ars-grin. gov/cgi-bin/ npgs/html/ taxon.pl? 14940 - 26k - Cached - > Similar pages > > More results from www.ars-grin. gov » > >  > > List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link : > >  > > Synonyms: > > > > > > (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. > > (previously associated with 2 accessions) > > (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell. > > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct. > > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn. > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > >  > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > tp mods <tpmods@> > > Re: Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald > > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my > database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from > where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and > progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a > dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many > times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again. > > best regards fm tpmods > > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote: > > > > rnldef <rnldef > > > Re: Rudraksha mystery > > sacred-objects > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > tpmods, > > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are > > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I > > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for > > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius > > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I > > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider > > when choosing a location. > > For growing info here is a link - > > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/ elaeocarpus. htm > > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm > > When I have time I will post more pics. > > Ronald > > > > sacred-objects, " tpmods " <tpmods@> wrote: > > > > > > Ronald > > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I have few > > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > > and regards > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in cracking open > > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > > for > > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > > also > > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to > > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > > green > > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > > naturally, > > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > > pulp. > > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > > fruits > > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should be free > > > > from human tampering and profit motivation. > > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already > > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > > profit > > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on > > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure. > > > > Posted 2 more pics. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > > of > > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > > course > > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > > kind, > > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > > it has > > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > > an 8 > > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-ray their > > > > > collector beads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > > pic, > > > > > what > > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > > know > > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > > spiraled, > > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or > > > > > > malformations. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " kerryhermes " > > > <kerryhermes@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > > out > > > > > conch > > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > > mouth > > > > > part > > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > > peeling-off > > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > > multifaceted > > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo album Rudraksha > > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > > spiraled > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > > have > > > > > another > > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > > defined. I > > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Thanks Ronald for your sincere efforts,I appreciate it.My trees are still small say 5 feet but they are growing steadily.--- On Tue, 8/19/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote: rnldef <rnldef Re: Rudraksha mysterysacred-objects Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 2:04 AM tp mods / readersreferring to post #5403Regarding this previous thread, I contacted the local arboretum that hasthese trees for help in identification, it seems from the caretaker'sreply they don't know either -"I wouldn't presume to make any judgments on these seeds with mypresent state of knowledge. I know what I know from the literature andthe web, and both confuse the hell out of me. We don't send theseseeds out, but if we do in the future, it will be with the caveat thatwe really don't know what we're talking about."So the jury is out and it would take some more research to find ananswer. I recommended cultivating the smaller smoother seeds for thereasons I have already given. Richard prabhu,I recently posted in Photos-Trees two verses from my copy of BhaktiRasamrita Sindhu about Amla, Peepul, Tulasi etc. I think you shoulddelete it because the quality is not readable. If you want I can tryto repost another copy that may be legible.I have not seen any advice to wear Rudraksha in any Gaudiya Vashnavaliterature, is that intentional? Referring to your much earlier posting #163 (10/10/05) about the lackof Brahma worship in India, there are Puranic legends explaining why,that perhaps you already know of.If I send my birth details can you recommend which stones should beworn and avoided? Ronaldsacred-objects, tp mods <tpmods wrote:>> Dear Ronald> Let's continue this discussion further,I saw your photo collectionand the one described as "Unknown Rudraksha Species"look like Jawatype beads to me on first look,let experts like Mr.Phadkeji comment onthis.> On your observation btwn E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus(sphericus), although I have NOT visited any Rudraksha forest of my ownbut from seeing photos I feel that both types LOOK certainlydifferent,I have seen snapshots of Rudraksha trees from Nepal and theyare E.Ganitrus but they looks shallow with more branches on the maintrunk where the one grow in Hawaii Forest are huge trees with maintrunk going up to a whoping level of 60-80 meters and this surely looka different than E.Ganitrus(must be like what you have said isE.Angustifolius) ,let's contine this discussion untill we get clearidea between the two..Phadkeji we are waiting for your comments on this.> > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, rnldef <rnldef wrote:> > rnldef <rnldef> Re: Rudraksha mystery> sacred-objects> Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 3:26 AM> > > > > > > Namaskar readers,> I am not claiming to be an authority and could be wrong, but I hold> that E. angustifolius (grandis) and E. ganitrus (sphericus) are> different species, and have posted a pic of both seeds for comparison> in Photos - Rudaksha Offerings. Although the trees look alike, there> is a lot of variation in seed shape and fruit taste amongst E.> angustifolius trees, but E. ganitrus seeds are consistent in shape and> taste among different trees of same species. Of the two, E. ganitrus> fruits taste a lot better, are easier to clean and produce more> multifaceted seeds. Not all E. angustifolius fruits are palatable and> are usually more difficult to clean. That is why I recommended E.> ganitrus for cultivation, based on my own experience and also on> identification from the arboretum here, regardless of what the British> gardens say. E. serratus (Ceylon Olive) is also worth cultivating, it> produces mostly 3 faceted elongated seeds with edible green fruits.> But variety is the spice of life.> Ronald> > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke> <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri. Richard ji and friends,> >  > > Elaeocarpus angustifolius is a new name of the species Elaeocarpus> ganitrus , Elaeocarpus grandis, Elaeocarpus sphaericus and also> Ganitrus sphaerica. Botany taxonomists many times merge the two or> more species under a species which is scientifically described in> research papers earlier than other species, if botanical> characters of such species are matching. New species is only made> if there is some diagnostic difference in the inflorescence and/or>  flower characters. There is a internationally accepted 'Code for> Botanical Nomenclature' . > >  > > It is interesting to note that the species Elaeocarpus angustifolius> is same for both the Nepal and Indonesian rudraksha though the fruits> look different. I am talking about multifacted round rudraksha and> not about the rudraksha species producing flat or oval fruits. > >  > > I collected the above information from the Royal Botanical Garden,> Kew, Surrey, England. > >  > > I am suggesting the following link:> >  > >  Elaeocarpus angustifolius information from NPGS/GRIN > > > > > > > > > > Synonyms:. (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb. (previously associated> with 2 accessions) ... Check other databases for Elaeocarpus> angustifolius Blume: ...> > www.ars-grin. gov/cgi-bin/ npgs/html/ taxon.pl? 14940 - 26k - Cached -> Similar pages> > More results from www.ars-grin. gov »> >  > > List of synonyms of E. angustifolius mentioned in the above link :> >  > > Synonyms:> > > > > > (=) Elaeocarpus ganitrus Roxb.> > (previously associated with 2 accessions) > > (=) Elaeocarpus grandis F. Muell.> > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Elaeocarpus sphaericus auct.> > (previously associated with 1 accession) > > (=) Ganitrus sphaerica Gaertn.> > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> >  > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > --- On Sun, 20/7/08, tp mods <tpmods@> wrote:> > > > tp mods <tpmods@>> > Re: Re: Rudraksha mystery> > sacred-objects> > Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 2:21 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald> > Thanks for replying to me,I have those links already in my> database,I have cultivated Elaeocarpus ganitrus only,no idea from> where I can get Elaeocarpus angustifolious, I live near sea shore and> progress of my Rudraksha tree is good.When you have planted half a> dozen tree kindly let me know how much water you gave to them-how many> times and if any paste control or fertilizer you used.thanks again.> > best regards fm tpmods> > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, rnldef <rnldef > wrote:> > > > rnldef <rnldef >> > Re: Rudraksha mystery> > sacred-objects> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:08 PM> > > > > > > > > > tpmods,> > I've planted about a half dozen trees myself, most of which are> > producing fruit, I even found some multi-faceted seeds from one. I> > only recommend cultivating Elaeocarpus ganitrus (E. sphericus) for> > fruit and seed quality and also smaller sized tree. E. angustifolius> > is also preferred but forest trees here grow to 100+ feet high, I> > don't know how tall wherever you live. Just something to consider> > when choosing a location.> > For growing info here is a link -> > http://toptropicals .com/html/ toptropicals/ plant_wk/elaeocarpus. htm> > http://toptropicals .com/catalog/ uid/elaeocarpus_ ganitrus. htm> > When I have time I will post more pics.> > Ronald> > > > sacred-objects, "tpmods" <tpmods@> wrote:> > >> > > Ronald> > > I saw your photos,really rare bead imo,just help me n advice how > > > much water should I need to apply to Rudraksha tree as you are in > > > Hawaii and must be knowing basics to grow Rudraksha trees.I havefew > > > plants in my garden,any expert's tips like fertilizer etc..?Thanks > > > and regards> > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskar. Regarding the inner seeds, my experience in crackingopen> > > > the common 5 faced type is that rarely if ever there is one seed > > > for> > > > each facet, usually only 2 - 3 seeds of varying sizes (mongooses > > > also> > > > like to eat them). Some people probably x-ray their beads only to> > > > verify if fake or authentic. > > > > The only white (Brahmin) Rudraksha I have seen from are unripe > > > green> > > > fruits with hard inedible pulp. If allowed to fully ripen > > > naturally,> > > > the seeds turn light brown with deep blue fruit and soft edible > > > pulp.> > > > I assume the colored varna varieties are dyed seeds from unripe > > > fruits> > > > therefore of rajasic nature. To be purely sattvic it should befree> > > > from human tampering and profit motivation.> > > > I never buy or sell any Rudraksha, I am happy with what I already> > > > have. I hope my contributing to this forum will not give some > > > profit> > > > minded persons the big idea of going to Hawaii to cash in on> > > > Rudraksha, I can only wish them failure.> > > > Posted 2 more pics.> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes"> <kerryhermes@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskaram Ronald. Just saw the pic of the mouth part. Reminds > > > of > > > > > Ganesh rudraksha that bears a trunk-like feature although of > > > course > > > > > your bead is not the same as that. Your bead is really one of a > > > kind, > > > > > the first I've heard about having 8 lines outside and 3 or 4 > > > more > > > > > inside a whorl. Sounds quite like a collector's item. Lets say > > > it has > > > > > 8 lines and you can determine 8 seeds inside the bead, then its > > > an 8 > > > > > mukhi rudraksh. If you find more seeds inside, then perhaps the > > > > > mukhis would go higher. Guess this is why some folks x-raytheir > > > > > collector beads.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@>wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar kerryhermes. This has 8 complete mukhis with 3 or 4 > > > more> > > > > > lines inside the whorl. I just posted the mouth or stem side > > > pic, > > > > > what> > > > > > you saw is the tail side. There is no chipping or breakage, I > > > know> > > > > > because I cleaned and ate the fresh fruit. It is definitely > > > > > spiraled,> > > > > > also all multifaceted beads could be considered mutations or> > > > > > malformations. Ronald> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "kerryhermes" > > > <kerryhermes@ >> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Could be a malformed Three or Four mukhi bead that turned > > > out > > > > > conch > > > > > > > shape. Would be good bead for the mantra Om Hari Hara. The > > > mouth > > > > > part > > > > > > > looks over-stripped (some parts chipped off) from the > > > peeling-off > > > > > > > process. Would you have a photo of the tail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Can any of the knowledgeable readers identify this > > > multifaceted> > > > > > > > Rudraksha seed from Hawaii (posted in Photo albumRudraksha> > > > > > > > Offerings)? I nicknamed it Shankh Mukhi because it is > > > spiraled > > > > > like a> > > > > > > > Laxmi conch, but shankh is not an emblem of Lord Shiva. I > > > have > > > > > another> > > > > > > > specimen spiraling the other way, but it is not as well > > > > > defined. I> > > > > > > > have not seen this type described anywhere. Ronald> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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