: the greatest guru of all times ???

June 25, 2008

Friends...

The GREATEST Guru of ALL TIME is impossible to say until the end of

time is reached and all gurus compared. No one can say who is the most

beautiful women on Earth unless they have seen ALL women on Earth. The

Greatest Guru I ever had was Akinchan Krishna Das Babaji Maharaj who

was Godbrother of my Diksha and Hari Nam Gurus. Babaji Maharaj was the

GREATEST Guru I ever met, and he never had even one disciple,

including me. I tried unsuccessfully to add him to Wikipedia but he

was such a tyagi apart from Maya that there was no reference to him on

all the WWW except what I have put here

http://www.richardshawbrown.com/mysticarticles/Babaji.html

But having to compare him with the likes of Narada Muni, or Vyasadev,

or Markandeya, Parasara, Adi-Shankaracharya, Valmiki, or The Kumaras,

and they are in an exalted position hard to even approach, and he

wasn't as great as them. So what to speak of Sandhipani Muni who was

Guru to Krishna & Balaram, he was Guru to God. Who can be greater?

Meanwhile. ND Srimalee, as a Guru, doesn't even come close. He was a

small fry. I have his thin little books, all simply inconclusive ABCs.

Best wishes,

Richard

sacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777

wrote:

>

> Dear Sophia!

>

> You have to understand that in western countries the subject of guru

has been introduced by " the Beatels " when they came back from India

together with Maharishi (who at the end of his life in Belgium had his

own type of money, no $, no euros), and his TM system of meditation.

In the 70' same thing happend with Osho and his system of teachings,

and then there were Hare Krishna. In the 80' Sai Baba teachings

reached west.

>

> By the end of 70' americans started using 'guru' methods (pure

bullying of people),in such an aggresive way that if you went there on

'so called' menagment lessons, you were all put in one big room, and

the " menagment guru " would humiliate people to such an extent, that if

you decide to leave the room, you would be considered a weak person

and a looser. Are the westerners so souless

> and brainless people that they need somebody to humilitate them in

order to achieve something? Inquisition of catholic church is milk and

honey if you compare it with 70' buissness menagment technique

introduced to the world by americans.

>

> Then by the end of 80' and in the begining of 90', " age of aquarius "

became main spiritual topic together with quartz method of healing.

Now, when we all know that we are not living in the " age of aquarius " ,

and that it was just another spiritual propaganda, so what's next?

Todays menagment lessons, became so popular, that people are paying

ridiculous amounts of money just because they think that they are

going to learn a magic formula for getting rich. There in no a single

atom of spirituality in western way of thinking, since most of them

all want one single thing, and that is MONEY.

>

> I have spent my adult years in living in Amsterdam (I had to run

away from ex Yugoslavia, because they wanted me to go to war and kill

people, for what? for nationalistic pride?), in the most utopic

society on this planet earth, where everything is allowed, all main

religions of the world are accepted by society, ( I'm talking about

Amsterdam, not Holland ). The secret of Amsterdam (even the common

Amsterdamers don't know that) is that they have largest esoteric

library of western grimmoires and sacred books from the renaissance

period. They knew facts about precession of equinoxes, they were aware

of astronomical knowledge, and at the end western people were the

first ones to make a map of the world. The problem of the West is that

even the freemasonry (which is based on kabbalistic dogma) teachings

are based on Holy Bible, and from todays point of view some of their

lectures sound ridiculous, and are out of date. These days, only true

western teachings are ones based on genuine Kabbalah, since it

combines unortodox teachings from all basic religions of the

middle-east. If you understand egyptian religion, you will see that

ALL western religious systems are merest copies of egyptian belief

system. Egyptian Animism was, is and always shall be motherhood of all

spirituality.

>

> My point is that Westerners are too materialistic, while Orientals

are too much supperstitious, from my experience. The other day I was

watching on National Geographic chanell episode about tsunami, and I

remembered that at the time tsunami strike (I was at Sri Lanka in a

beach house 20 meters from the ocean) I wasn't affraid for one second

( I ended up holding a tiny branch of a tree ), and when it ended,

that was the moment when the emotions kicked in. I lost everything, I

mean absolutely everything. Fear is an emotional illusion, and with

our senses we are all emotionally attached to the world we perceive.

The truth is not out there, the truth is hidden inside, in our heart.

>

> A friend of mine was a few years ago in Bangalore, and as you know,

Sai Baba chooses every time one person from the ashram to talk to him

personally. What Sai baba told my friend was " follow your heart " . I

think that I have made my point. What do I personally think about Sai

Baba and his western devotees? It's like selling ice to the eskimos.

But that's just me and my opinion on the topic of the greatest guru of

all times, no strings attached.

>

> best wishes & kind regards Vjenceslav

>

> sacred-objects@ad .comannethakur: Mon, 23

Jun 2008 16:36:37 -0700 Re: : the greatest

guru of all times

>

> nAMASKAREVERYONEWELL, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAYno matter what we

all think of Satya Sai Baba he said one thing once i shall never

forgetand that wasOf all of the many thousands of people that have

come to him to ask for things , this and that, no one ever asks for

LiberationNow that sums it all up I thinkmokshsophia dalle nyc

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June 25, 2008

dear friends

before venturing to judge who is the best among the class, one shall

understand who is a guru.

as described by his holiness shri sankaracharyaji, in sanskrit gu

means ignorance and ru (as in rudra) means destroyer. simply put,

guru is any person who destroys the ignorance of the native. light

alone dispels darkness. for a baby, parents are the gurus. for a

student, teachers are the gurus. for a learnt person, atmajnani or a

selfrealised man is a guru. for a king, sages are the gurus. the

definition or descritpion of guru as searched by the native keeps

changing in proportion to the intellect and ignorance of the native.

the one and only objective of the guru is to guide the native on the

path of knowledge and wisdom and show the native light by sharing his

light of knowledge.

in my definition, guru is a guide to realise the self (god) within.

for those on the path of spirituality, self (god) realisation is the

objective in seeking the guidance of a guru and not guru

realisation. all truly realised learnt gurus are aware of their

roles and do not portray themselves as gods. if the student treat

the guru as god (gurudeva), it is out of the student's gratitude and

by treating so, the guru gives his blessings and grace to the student.

for a person like adi sankara on a spiritual quest, a chandala

(illiterate uneducated person) is a guru and the sankara prostrates

to the feet of chandala and praise him as a guru, gurudeva and god.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Friends...

>

> The GREATEST Guru of ALL TIME is impossible to say until the end of

> time is reached and all gurus compared. No one can say who is the

most

> beautiful women on Earth unless they have seen ALL women on Earth.

The

> Greatest Guru I ever had was Akinchan Krishna Das Babaji Maharaj who

> was Godbrother of my Diksha and Hari Nam Gurus. Babaji Maharaj was

the

> GREATEST Guru I ever met, and he never had even one disciple,

> including me. I tried unsuccessfully to add him to Wikipedia but he

> was such a tyagi apart from Maya that there was no reference to him

on

> all the WWW except what I have put here

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com/mysticarticles/Babaji.html

> But having to compare him with the likes of Narada Muni, or

Vyasadev,

> or Markandeya, Parasara, Adi-Shankaracharya, Valmiki, or The

Kumaras,

> and they are in an exalted position hard to even approach, and he

> wasn't as great as them. So what to speak of Sandhipani Muni who was

> Guru to Krishna & Balaram, he was Guru to God. Who can be greater?

>

> Meanwhile. ND Srimalee, as a Guru, doesn't even come close. He was a

> small fry. I have his thin little books, all simply inconclusive

ABCs.

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sophia!

> >

> > You have to understand that in western countries the subject of

guru

> has been introduced by " the Beatels " when they came back from India

> together with Maharishi (who at the end of his life in Belgium had

his

> own type of money, no $, no euros), and his TM system of meditation.

> In the 70' same thing happend with Osho and his system of teachings,

> and then there were Hare Krishna. In the 80' Sai Baba teachings

> reached west.

> >

> > By the end of 70' americans started using 'guru' methods (pure

> bullying of people),in such an aggresive way that if you went there

on

> 'so called' menagment lessons, you were all put in one big room, and

> the " menagment guru " would humiliate people to such an extent, that

if

> you decide to leave the room, you would be considered a weak person

> and a looser. Are the westerners so souless

> > and brainless people that they need somebody to humilitate them in

> order to achieve something? Inquisition of catholic church is milk

and

> honey if you compare it with 70' buissness menagment technique

> introduced to the world by americans.

> >

> > Then by the end of 80' and in the begining of 90', " age of

aquarius "

> became main spiritual topic together with quartz method of healing.

> Now, when we all know that we are not living in the " age of

aquarius " ,

> and that it was just another spiritual propaganda, so what's next?

> Todays menagment lessons, became so popular, that people are paying

> ridiculous amounts of money just because they think that they are

> going to learn a magic formula for getting rich. There in no a

single

> atom of spirituality in western way of thinking, since most of them

> all want one single thing, and that is MONEY.

> >

> > I have spent my adult years in living in Amsterdam (I had to run

> away from ex Yugoslavia, because they wanted me to go to war and

kill

> people, for what? for nationalistic pride?), in the most utopic

> society on this planet earth, where everything is allowed, all main

> religions of the world are accepted by society, ( I'm talking about

> Amsterdam, not Holland ). The secret of Amsterdam (even the common

> Amsterdamers don't know that) is that they have largest esoteric

> library of western grimmoires and sacred books from the renaissance

> period. They knew facts about precession of equinoxes, they were

aware

> of astronomical knowledge, and at the end western people were the

> first ones to make a map of the world. The problem of the West is

that

> even the freemasonry (which is based on kabbalistic dogma) teachings

> are based on Holy Bible, and from todays point of view some of their

> lectures sound ridiculous, and are out of date. These days, only

true

> western teachings are ones based on genuine Kabbalah, since it

> combines unortodox teachings from all basic religions of the

> middle-east. If you understand egyptian religion, you will see that

> ALL western religious systems are merest copies of egyptian belief

> system. Egyptian Animism was, is and always shall be motherhood of

all

> spirituality.

> >

> > My point is that Westerners are too materialistic, while Orientals

> are too much supperstitious, from my experience. The other day I was

> watching on National Geographic chanell episode about tsunami, and I

> remembered that at the time tsunami strike (I was at Sri Lanka in a

> beach house 20 meters from the ocean) I wasn't affraid for one

second

> ( I ended up holding a tiny branch of a tree ), and when it ended,

> that was the moment when the emotions kicked in. I lost everything,

I

> mean absolutely everything. Fear is an emotional illusion, and with

> our senses we are all emotionally attached to the world we perceive.

> The truth is not out there, the truth is hidden inside, in our

heart.

> >

> > A friend of mine was a few years ago in Bangalore, and as you

know,

> Sai Baba chooses every time one person from the ashram to talk to

him

> personally. What Sai baba told my friend was " follow your heart " .

I

> think that I have made my point. What do I personally think about

Sai

> Baba and his western devotees? It's like selling ice to the eskimos.

> But that's just me and my opinion on the topic of the greatest guru

of

> all times, no strings attached.

> >

> > best wishes & kind regards Vjenceslav

> >

> > sacred-objects@ad .comannethakur@: Mon, 23

> Jun 2008 16:36:37 -0700 Re: : the greatest

> guru of all times

> >

> > nAMASKAREVERYONEWELL, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAYno matter what

we

> all think of Satya Sai Baba he said one thing once i shall never

> forgetand that wasOf all of the many thousands of people that have

> come to him to ask for things , this and that, no one ever asks for

> LiberationNow that sums it all up I thinkmokshsophia dalle nyc

> >

> > _______________

> > Discover the new Windows Vista

> > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista & mkt=en-

US & form=QBRE

> >

>

June 25, 2008

Excellently put.

Look at the studied silence of Vikram the vetal and his side kick. One makes a statement and another supports. Then let the gullible swallow the bait and then they can be drawn in. This is a message that has been posted in many hindu groups simultaneously. This seems to be an orchestrated periodic campaign to catch gullible needy people and extract their money.Menon

sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:15:47 +0000 Re: : the greatest guru of all times ???

Friends...The GREATEST Guru of ALL TIME is impossible to say until the end oftime is reached and all gurus compared. No one can say who is the mostbeautiful women on Earth unless they have seen ALL women on Earth. TheGreatest Guru I ever had was Akinchan Krishna Das Babaji Maharaj whowas Godbrother of my Diksha and Hari Nam Gurus. Babaji Maharaj was theGREATEST Guru I ever met, and he never had even one disciple,including me. I tried unsuccessfully to add him to Wikipedia but hewas such a tyagi apart from Maya that there was no reference to him onall the WWW except what I have put herehttp://www.richardshawbrown.com/mysticarticles/Babaji.htmlBut having to compare him with the likes of Narada Muni, or Vyasadev,or Markandeya, Parasara, Adi-Shankaracharya, Valmiki, or The Kumaras,and they are in an exalted position hard to even approach, and hewasn't as great as them. So what to speak of Sandhipani Muni who wasGuru to Krishna & Balaram, he was Guru to God. Who can be greater?Meanwhile. ND Srimalee, as a Guru, doesn't even come close. He was asmall fry. I have his thin little books, all simply inconclusive ABCs.Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777wrote:>> > Dear Sophia!> > You have to understand that in western countries the subject of guruhas been introduced by "the Beatels" when they came back from Indiatogether with Maharishi (who at the end of his life in Belgium had hisown type of money, no $, no euros), and his TM system of meditation.In the 70' same thing happend with Osho and his system of teachings,and then there were Hare Krishna. In the 80' Sai Baba teachingsreached west. > > By the end of 70' americans started using 'guru' methods (purebullying of people),in such an aggresive way that if you went there on'so called' menagment lessons, you were all put in one big room, andthe "menagment guru" would humiliate people to such an extent, that ifyou decide to leave the room, you would be considered a weak personand a looser. Are the westerners so souless> and brainless people that they need somebody to humilitate them inorder to achieve something? Inquisition of catholic church is milk andhoney if you compare it with 70' buissness menagment techniqueintroduced to the world by americans.> > Then by the end of 80' and in the begining of 90', "age of aquarius"became main spiritual topic together with quartz method of healing.Now, when we all know that we are not living in the "age of aquarius",and that it was just another spiritual propaganda, so what's next?Todays menagment lessons, became so popular, that people are payingridiculous amounts of money just because they think that they aregoing to learn a magic formula for getting rich. There in no a singleatom of spirituality in western way of thinking, since most of themall want one single thing, and that is MONEY.> > I have spent my adult years in living in Amsterdam (I had to runaway from ex Yugoslavia, because they wanted me to go to war and killpeople, for what? for nationalistic pride?), in the most utopicsociety on this planet earth, where everything is allowed, all mainreligions of the world are accepted by society, ( I'm talking aboutAmsterdam, not Holland ). The secret of Amsterdam (even the commonAmsterdamers don't know that) is that they have largest esotericlibrary of western grimmoires and sacred books from the renaissanceperiod. They knew facts about precession of equinoxes, they were awareof astronomical knowledge, and at the end western people were thefirst ones to make a map of the world. The problem of the West is thateven the freemasonry (which is based on kabbalistic dogma) teachingsare based on Holy Bible, and from todays point of view some of theirlectures sound ridiculous, and are out of date. These days, only truewestern teachings are ones based on genuine Kabbalah, since itcombines unortodox teachings from all basic religions of themiddle-east. If you understand egyptian religion, you will see thatALL western religious systems are merest copies of egyptian beliefsystem. Egyptian Animism was, is and always shall be motherhood of allspirituality.> > My point is that Westerners are too materialistic, while Orientalsare too much supperstitious, from my experience. The other day I waswatching on National Geographic chanell episode about tsunami, and Iremembered that at the time tsunami strike (I was at Sri Lanka in abeach house 20 meters from the ocean) I wasn't affraid for one second( I ended up holding a tiny branch of a tree ), and when it ended,that was the moment when the emotions kicked in. I lost everything, Imean absolutely everything. Fear is an emotional illusion, and withour senses we are all emotionally attached to the world we perceive.The truth is not out there, the truth is hidden inside, in our heart.> > A friend of mine was a few years ago in Bangalore, and as you know,Sai Baba chooses every time one person from the ashram to talk to himpersonally. What Sai baba told my friend was " follow your heart ". Ithink that I have made my point. What do I personally think about SaiBaba and his western devotees? It's like selling ice to the eskimos.But that's just me and my opinion on the topic of the greatest guru ofall times, no strings attached.> > best wishes & kind regards Vjenceslav> > > > sacred-objects@ad .comannethakur: Mon, 23Jun 2008 16:36:37 -0700 Re: : the greatestguru of all times> > > > > > nAMASKAREVERYONEWELL, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAYno matter what weall think of Satya Sai Baba he said one thing once i shall neverforgetand that wasOf all of the many thousands of people that havecome to him to ask for things , this and that, no one ever asks forLiberationNow that sums it all up I thinkmokshsophia dalle nyc > > > > > > > ________> Discover the new Windows Vista> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista & mkt=en-US & form=QBRE> Skydrive - Get 5GB online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents online with ease. Try it now!

June 25, 2008

Akincana Krsnadas Babaji Maharaj

" Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Thankyou Richard

I have passed this on to friends in the krsna temple in mumbai

June 25, 2008

Hari Om Anne

Thanks for your email. Sorry to ask, but are you friends at the Chowpatty temple in Mumbai?

Vandana

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