women's nature & Rule of Shastra (?) - IMPORTANT

[Guest guest]

Pandit Arjunji has uncovered some very harsh shastric quotes. And he has given

reference. That is that. But I remember a while back there was a quote saying

anyone wearing Rudraksha without proper installation would go to hell for many

manvantar (near eternity in hell). To me that seemed to " demonize " Rudraksha as

being hellish. So I put a poll asking as follows - Q. If a simple & harmless

fool finds and wears a Rudraksha seed:

 

He will be blessed

He will go to hell

 

That poll was started in 2006. To date there are 39 voters and 100% voted " He

will be blessed " . (Ref. sacred-objects/polls ).

 

So in spite of some radical statements in some Shastra (and there is an OCEAN of

Shastra, some old, some newer, some bona fide, some bogus). That is where we

need " Buddhi " to discriminate truth from fiction. Example is GOLD. Even in the

filthy gutter will be taken and cleaned off by any wise man. Because pure gold

cannot be polluted. So I wonder how the " Eye of Rudra " , Lord Shiva, could

possibly be polluted? I suppose if you smash with a rock it gets offended or

gets made useless or even harmful. But pure gold or pure Rudraksha cannot be

otherwise polluted because they are bits of " Shiva " (Auspicious One). Also

Rudraksha are said to require heaps of good karma to come into contact with a

Rudraksha. So it seems to ONLY be blessed, and blesses anyone where ever it

goes. In any case the voting to date is 100% in favour of Blessed Rudraksha (as

opposed to demoniac seeds that are hellish). So here the voting of the " people "

over rules Shastra. And this is also advised in Shastra. That when shastra and

common sense clash then the people only can rule what is right. That means

Common Sense over-rules Shastra (if the people so decide).

 

As I understand Lord Shiva never sent anyone to Hell; that's Yamaraj.

 

BACK to subject of demonizing women, HERE is a quote from Manusmriti: " yatra

naryastu pujyate ramante tatra devatah// " --- " Where women are honored, there the

gods revel! " And who dares argure with Manusmriti. THat is a VERY bona fide

Shastra. "

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani

wrote:

>

> yes i agree if you are seeking liberation then women are an impediment to

> that growth however that book was written in such a tone that at that time

> the understanding of how people feel with reactions to those words may have

> been limited. therefore with the ever changing rotations of the great

> planets jupiter and saturn we must understand that those words are harsh and

> don't help in propagating spiritual growth or liberatoin unless one

> interprets them properly in this age. in other words the statements are

> harsh and should be modified and made gentler because it is bound to cause

> aggravation to those who don't understand what it is trying to accomplish.

>

> sincerely,

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja Gursahani

> (: 559.474.8576

> ,: rajagursahani

>

[Guest guest]

dear richardji

 

as you observed rightly, one must observe his own buddhi to

understand, accept or reject what is told. if you remember in an

earlier thread, i gave the verse " yukti yuktam vako grahyam baladapi

sukadapi, yukti heenam vakastyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi " .

 

here we were talking about what was written in the puranas by citing

the verse, chapter numbers and book titles etc.

 

in support of a stone and its correlation to a planet, you have

mentioned the relevant verse from garuda purana and similarly i too

mentioned the relevant rudraksha quotes from shivapurana. both of us

were not saying anything from our hat.

 

as regards an unenergised rudraksha giving hell, that is what the

verse in shivapurana said which i mentioned as it is my bounden duty

to let all the rudraksha related verses made public.

 

when you posted a verse from garuda purana where it is said that if a

person wears a flawed gem, he will get ill luck, diseases and even

death. if you put an opinion poll asking your members to vote

whether a person would get death by wearing a flawed gem, hundred

percent voters would say no. be it an unenergised rudraksha quoted

by me from shivapurana or a flawed gem quoted by you from garuda

purana granting hell or death is left to the individual's

understanding as we both merely quoted the verses but not made it a

thumbrule told by individuals me and you respectively.

 

hence whenever we quote something from the books, members have

liberty to discuss the subject and the source but not the individual.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Pandit Arjunji has uncovered some very harsh shastric quotes. And

he has given reference. That is that. But I remember a while back

there was a quote saying anyone wearing Rudraksha without proper

installation would go to hell for many manvantar (near eternity in

hell). To me that seemed to " demonize " Rudraksha as being hellish. So

I put a poll asking as follows - Q. If a simple & harmless fool finds

and wears a Rudraksha seed:

>

> He will be blessed

> He will go to hell

>

> That poll was started in 2006. To date there are 39 voters and 100%

voted " He will be blessed " . (Ref.

sacred-objects/polls ).

>

> So in spite of some radical statements in some Shastra (and there

is an OCEAN of Shastra, some old, some newer, some bona fide, some

bogus). That is where we need " Buddhi " to discriminate truth from

fiction. Example is GOLD. Even in the filthy gutter will be taken and

cleaned off by any wise man. Because pure gold cannot be polluted. So

I wonder how the " Eye of Rudra " , Lord Shiva, could possibly be

polluted? I suppose if you smash with a rock it gets offended or gets

made useless or even harmful. But pure gold or pure Rudraksha cannot

be otherwise polluted because they are bits of " Shiva " (Auspicious

One). Also Rudraksha are said to require heaps of good karma to come

into contact with a Rudraksha. So it seems to ONLY be blessed, and

blesses anyone where ever it goes. In any case the voting to date is

100% in favour of Blessed Rudraksha (as opposed to demoniac seeds

that are hellish). So here the voting of the " people " over rules

Shastra. And this is also advised in Shastra. That when shastra and

common sense clash then the people only can rule what is right. That

means Common Sense over-rules Shastra (if the people so decide).

>

> As I understand Lord Shiva never sent anyone to Hell; that's

Yamaraj.

>

> BACK to subject of demonizing women, HERE is a quote from

Manusmriti: " yatra naryastu pujyate ramante tatra devatah// " ---

" Where women are honored, there the gods revel! " And who dares argure

with Manusmriti. THat is a VERY bona fide Shastra. "

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > yes i agree if you are seeking liberation then women are an

impediment to

> > that growth however that book was written in such a tone that at

that time

> > the understanding of how people feel with reactions to those

words may have

> > been limited. therefore with the ever changing rotations of the

great

> > planets jupiter and saturn we must understand that those words

are harsh and

> > don't help in propagating spiritual growth or liberatoin unless

one

> > interprets them properly in this age. in other words the

statements are

> > harsh and should be modified and made gentler because it is bound

to cause

> > aggravation to those who don't understand what it is trying to

accomplish.

> >

> > sincerely,

> >

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja Gursahani

> > (: 559.474.8576

> > ,: rajagursahani@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit Arjuna,

 

Yes, I agree with you. Shastra is a hard nut to swallow. For example Shastra is

right ON about the sub-atomic particle (paramanu), but right OFF in saying the

Moon is farther away than the Sun. Some things I read in Vedic Shastra (itihaas

puranadi) are so ghastly that it sounds like the Koran.

 

Here's a quick story. 500 years back a Muslim forced a brahmin to drink from his

glass (just to polute him). The brahmana was driven away from his home because

of this. He asked various pandit's how to purify and what he should do. Their

advice (from Shastra) ranged from drowning himself in the TRiveni Or drinking

scalding hot ghee (and dying). He didn't know what to do! So he met Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu and told his tale. Lord Chaitanya said, " Nonsense! You simply go live

in Vraja and chant Hari Nam! "

 

I'm sure you agree too.

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> dear richardji

>

> as you observed rightly, one must observe his own buddhi to

> understand, accept or reject what is told. if you remember in an

> earlier thread, i gave the verse " yukti yuktam vako grahyam baladapi

> sukadapi, yukti heenam vakastyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi " .

>

> here we were talking about what was written in the puranas by citing

> the verse, chapter numbers and book titles etc.

>

> in support of a stone and its correlation to a planet, you have

> mentioned the relevant verse from garuda purana and similarly i too

> mentioned the relevant rudraksha quotes from shivapurana. both of us

> were not saying anything from our hat.

>

> as regards an unenergised rudraksha giving hell, that is what the

> verse in shivapurana said which i mentioned as it is my bounden duty

> to let all the rudraksha related verses made public.

>

> when you posted a verse from garuda purana where it is said that if a

> person wears a flawed gem, he will get ill luck, diseases and even

> death. if you put an opinion poll asking your members to vote

> whether a person would get death by wearing a flawed gem, hundred

> percent voters would say no. be it an unenergised rudraksha quoted

> by me from shivapurana or a flawed gem quoted by you from garuda

> purana granting hell or death is left to the individual's

> understanding as we both merely quoted the verses but not made it a

> thumbrule told by individuals me and you respectively.

>

> hence whenever we quote something from the books, members have

> liberty to discuss the subject and the source but not the individual.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Pandit Arjunji has uncovered some very harsh shastric quotes. And

> he has given reference. That is that. But I remember a while back

> there was a quote saying anyone wearing Rudraksha without proper

> installation would go to hell for many manvantar (near eternity in

> hell). To me that seemed to " demonize " Rudraksha as being hellish. So

> I put a poll asking as follows - Q. If a simple & harmless fool finds

> and wears a Rudraksha seed:

> >

> > He will be blessed

> > He will go to hell

> >

> > That poll was started in 2006. To date there are 39 voters and 100%

> voted " He will be blessed " . (Ref.

> sacred-objects/polls ).

> >

> > So in spite of some radical statements in some Shastra (and there

> is an OCEAN of Shastra, some old, some newer, some bona fide, some

> bogus). That is where we need " Buddhi " to discriminate truth from

> fiction. Example is GOLD. Even in the filthy gutter will be taken and

> cleaned off by any wise man. Because pure gold cannot be polluted. So

> I wonder how the " Eye of Rudra " , Lord Shiva, could possibly be

> polluted? I suppose if you smash with a rock it gets offended or gets

> made useless or even harmful. But pure gold or pure Rudraksha cannot

> be otherwise polluted because they are bits of " Shiva " (Auspicious

> One). Also Rudraksha are said to require heaps of good karma to come

> into contact with a Rudraksha. So it seems to ONLY be blessed, and

> blesses anyone where ever it goes. In any case the voting to date is

> 100% in favour of Blessed Rudraksha (as opposed to demoniac seeds

> that are hellish). So here the voting of the " people " over rules

> Shastra. And this is also advised in Shastra. That when shastra and

> common sense clash then the people only can rule what is right. That

> means Common Sense over-rules Shastra (if the people so decide).

> >

> > As I understand Lord Shiva never sent anyone to Hell; that's

> Yamaraj.

> >

> > BACK to subject of demonizing women, HERE is a quote from

> Manusmriti: " yatra naryastu pujyate ramante tatra devatah// " ---

> " Where women are honored, there the gods revel! " And who dares argure

> with Manusmriti. THat is a VERY bona fide Shastra. "

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Richard

> >

> > sacred-objects , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yes i agree if you are seeking liberation then women are an

> impediment to

> > > that growth however that book was written in such a tone that at

> that time

> > > the understanding of how people feel with reactions to those

> words may have

> > > been limited. therefore with the ever changing rotations of the

> great

> > > planets jupiter and saturn we must understand that those words

> are harsh and

> > > don't help in propagating spiritual growth or liberatoin unless

> one

> > > interprets them properly in this age. in other words the

> statements are

> > > harsh and should be modified and made gentler because it is bound

> to cause

> > > aggravation to those who don't understand what it is trying to

> accomplish.

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja Gursahani

> > > (: 559.474.8576

> > > ,: rajagursahani@

> > >

> >

>