Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear friends following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by motilalbanarsidas. ============quote============ vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the benefit of the world. pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the limits of decency. there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. women are at the root of all sins. they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for erring, they do not wait. this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of their husbands. even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles and dwarfs. they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with solicitations of lust. if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by their husbands. women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to an intelligent man. fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like water dripping from a leather bag. women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love purused by them with other men. women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of detachment do you wish to hear. =============unquote========= the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are interested in liberation and detachment from women. members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a pativrata. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Dear Pandit Arjun, Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment. Specially women-libers It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa. I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be attached to men is equally the cause of bondage. But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke vairagya in men. Glad to hear from you... Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > motilalbanarsidas. > > ============quote============ > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > benefit of the world. > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > limits of decency. > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > women are at the root of all sins. > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > erring, they do not wait. > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > their husbands. > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > and dwarfs. > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > solicitations of lust. > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > their husbands. > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > an intelligent man. > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > water dripping from a leather bag. > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > purused by them with other men. > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > detachment do you wish to hear. > =============unquote========= > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > pativrata. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 dear brother richard thanks for understanding the objective of this narration positively as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who seek liberation and detachment from women. for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore this story as a subject from the school of liberation. women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a woman, that too an apsara. the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have several principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we dont change the holy books. since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation need to know this. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24 and not 29 as typed inadvertently. sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment. Specially women-libers > > It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa. > > I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be attached to men is equally the cause of bondage. > > But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke vairagya in men. > > Glad to hear from you... > > Best wishes, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > ============quote============ > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the > > benefit of the world. > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the > > limits of decency. > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > women are at the root of all sins. > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for > > erring, they do not wait. > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of > > their husbands. > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles > > and dwarfs. > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > solicitations of lust. > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > their husbands. > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned. > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to > > an intelligent man. > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > purused by them with other men. > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > =============unquote========= > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas. > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a > > pativrata. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Jai Panditji!!! I agree with you. Any spiritual-minded woman (like crown-jewel, Mira) will not be offended because they do not mis-identify the soul with the body. But the women " Feminists " would hate it. In this regard there is a funny joke: Question: Why do Sumo wrestlers shave their legs? Answer: So they won't be mistaken as a feminist! Hahaha!!! Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear brother richard > > thanks for understanding the objective of this narration positively > as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who > seek liberation and detachment from women. > > for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore > this story as a subject from the school of liberation. > > women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a woman, > that too an apsara. > > the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have several > principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men > and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we dont > change the holy books. > > since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely > conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation need > to know this. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24 > and not 29 as typed inadvertently. > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment. > Specially women-libers > > > > It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in > the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It > seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa. > > > > I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by > vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will > stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they > must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we > cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be > attached to men is equally the cause of bondage. > > > > But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke > vairagya in men. > > > > Glad to hear from you... > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > from > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > by > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women > are > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for > the > > > benefit of the world. > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within > the > > > limits of decency. > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > great > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > for > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > approach > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid > of > > > their husbands. > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > women > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, > imbeciles > > > and dwarfs. > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > > solicitations of lust. > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > in > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > > their husbands. > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > afraid > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > imprisoned. > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > to > > > an intelligent man. > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > is > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > is > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > man > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > perfumed > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > like > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > loves > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > > purused by them with other men. > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > by > > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > narrating > > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > puranas. > > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who > are > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > pativratas > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > a > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > a > > > pativrata. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 dear brother richard am really happy to note that this group members have taken this story from the puranas positively. once sulman rushdie wrote a book satanic verses in which he reproduced few verses from the holy quran which remain the same and found in all qurans published in any language anywhere in the world even today. natives from developed countries thought with their developed minds and searched for these verses as to whether they exist in the book he is referring or not. once they found these references, they lived peacefully. but in some underdeveloped and developing countries, people took objection and even banned that book. in this regard it is worth emulating from christians who rever the holy book bible in toto albeit its old testament contains some codes which look primitive and outdated for modern men. similarly our puranas too may contain some outdated codes which we shall not object to. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Jai Panditji!!! > > I agree with you. Any spiritual-minded woman (like crown-jewel, Mira) will not be offended because they do not mis-identify the soul with the body. But the women " Feminists " would hate it. In this regard there is a funny joke: > > Question: Why do Sumo wrestlers shave their legs? > Answer: So they won't be mistaken as a feminist! > > Hahaha!!! > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: > > > > dear brother richard > > > > thanks for understanding the objective of this narration positively > > as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who > > seek liberation and detachment from women. > > > > for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore > > this story as a subject from the school of liberation. > > > > women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a woman, > > that too an apsara. > > > > the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have several > > principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men > > and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we dont > > change the holy books. > > > > since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely > > conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation need > > to know this. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24 > > and not 29 as typed inadvertently. > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment. > > Specially women-libers > > > > > > It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in > > the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It > > seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa. > > > > > > I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by > > vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will > > stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they > > must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we > > cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be > > attached to men is equally the cause of bondage. > > > > > > But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke > > vairagya in men. > > > > > > Glad to hear from you... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " > > from > > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in > > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published > > by > > > > motilalbanarsidas. > > > > > > > > ============quote============ > > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was > > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is, > > > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women > > are > > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment > > > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire > > > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the > > > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an > > > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was > > > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel > > > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for > > the > > > > benefit of the world. > > > > > > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says: > > > > > > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women > > > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within > > the > > > > limits of decency. > > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women. > > > > women are at the root of all sins. > > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of > > great > > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities > > for > > > > erring, they do not wait. > > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to > > > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness. > > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who > > approach > > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service. > > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional > > > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is > > > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid > > of > > > > their husbands. > > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious > > women > > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and > > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously. > > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked > > > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, > > imbeciles > > > > and dwarfs. > > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons. > > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with > > > > solicitations of lust. > > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge > > in > > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by > > > > their husbands. > > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are > > afraid > > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or > > imprisoned. > > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are > > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even > > to > > > > an intelligent man. > > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean > > is > > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death > > is > > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not > > > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with. > > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a > > man > > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions. > > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body > > perfumed > > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude > > like > > > > water dripping from a leather bag. > > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love, > > > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well. > > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple > > loves > > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love > > > > purused by them with other men. > > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together > > > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the > > > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire. > > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were > > > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always. > > > > > > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned > > by > > > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of > > > > detachment do you wish to hear. > > > > =============unquote========= > > > > > > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates > > > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada > > narrating > > > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other > > puranas. > > > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who > > are > > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women. > > > > > > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where > > pativratas > > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that > > a > > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of > > a > > > > pativrata. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 one must substitute the word men . i find this just as Richard has stated written to support med to become celibate and seek moksh. However this goes even beyond womens lib this is also a serious green light for many of the horrific crimes against women down through the centuries and in present time . I find it offensive both spiritually and rather serious. women have suffered for centuries in india. both as hindu and muslem. no, i find the utterly unnaceptable. It is the fault of the incarnation of a soul tha thas gone into a mans body . I as a woman in this life have chosen to be celibate unless married. and have always such not because of the sickening behaviour and character of men but because of spiritual principles. men have the same capability neh?????? or is their lust so great they need this kind of scripture written? women covered to the ankles their feet cut their sexual organs cut on and on and in .very uncool ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 yes pandit i believe that to be true from richards side. we must also see that it is the man who is equally with desire for bondage that is the nature of man as well. sincerely, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 yes i agree if you are seeking liberation then women are an impediment to that growth however that book was written in such a tone that at that time the understanding of how people feel with reactions to those words may have been limited. therefore with the ever changing rotations of the great planets jupiter and saturn we must understand that those words are harsh and don't help in propagating spiritual growth or liberatoin unless one interprets them properly in this age. in other words the statements are harsh and should be modified and made gentler because it is bound to cause aggravation to those who don't understand what it is trying to accomplish. sincerely, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Haha!!! Somehow I KNEW we would hear from dear Anne regarding this matter. I would like to add in her support that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu told his monk disciples that " to see the wooden form of a women " would cause fall down from celebacy. So obviously we cannot blame the lifeless wooden form of a women. It's absurd. And it places the entire blame on the men. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , anne thakur <annethakur wrote: > > one must substitute the word men . i find this just > as Richard has stated written to support med to > become celibate and seek moksh. However > this goes even beyond womens lib > this is also a serious green light for many of the > horrific crimes against women down through the > centuries and in present time . I find it offensive > both spiritually and rather serious. women have > suffered for centuries in india. both as hindu and > muslem. no, i find the utterly unnaceptable. It is the > fault of the incarnation of a soul tha thas gone > into a mans body . I as a woman in this life have > chosen to be celibate unless married. and have always > such not because of the sickening behaviour and > character of men but because of spiritual principles. > men have the same capability neh?????? or is their > lust so great they need this kind of scripture > written? women covered to the ankles their feet cut > their sexual organs cut on and on and in .very uncool > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/ category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 BACK to subject of demonizing women, HERE is a quote from Manusmriti: " yatra naryastu pujyate ramante tatra devatah// " --- " Where women are honored, there the gods revel! " And who dares argure with Manusmriti. THat is a VERY bona fide Shasta that quote should be the mantra instilled in men again in india again' there needs to b a resurgence of the divine shakti of all female principle in india . frankly everywhere moksh sophia dalle nyc www.sophiadalle.com ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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