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dear friends

 

following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

motilalbanarsidas.

 

============quote============

vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

 

sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the

benefit of the world.

 

pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

 

this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

limits of decency.

there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

women are at the root of all sins.

they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

erring, they do not wait.

this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of

their husbands.

even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

and dwarfs.

they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

solicitations of lust.

if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

their husbands.

women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to

an intelligent man.

fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

water dripping from a leather bag.

women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

purused by them with other men.

women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

 

sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by

a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

detachment do you wish to hear.

=============unquote=========

 

the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

interested in liberation and detachment from women.

 

members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

pativrata.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

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Dear Pandit Arjun,

 

Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment. Specially

women-libers

 

It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in the below verse

it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It seems like the men are

chasing the women and not visa versa.

 

I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by vairagis who

want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will stunt liberation, but that

seems to be the fault of men which they must overcome. It's like if we take a

gun and shoot some one we cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for

women to be attached to men is equally the cause of bondage.

 

But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke vairagya in men.

 

Glad to hear from you...

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature " from

> uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published by

> motilalbanarsidas.

>

> ============quote============

> vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

>

> sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women are

> lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for the

> benefit of the world.

>

> pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

>

> this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within the

> limits of decency.

> there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> women are at the root of all sins.

> they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of great

> comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities for

> erring, they do not wait.

> this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> women love only those persons who solicit their company, who approach

> them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid of

> their husbands.

> even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious women

> who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men, imbeciles

> and dwarfs.

> they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> solicitations of lust.

> if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge in

> abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> their husbands.

> women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are afraid

> of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or imprisoned.

> because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even to

> an intelligent man.

> fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean is

> not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death is

> not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a man

> their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body perfumed

> with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude like

> water dripping from a leather bag.

> women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple loves

> and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> purused by them with other men.

> women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

>

> sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned by

> a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> detachment do you wish to hear.

> =============unquote=========

>

> the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada narrating

> this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other puranas.

> many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who are

> interested in liberation and detachment from women.

>

> members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where pativratas

> brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that a

> pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of a

> pativrata.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

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dear brother richard

 

thanks for understanding the objective of this narration positively

as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who

seek liberation and detachment from women.

 

for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore

this story as a subject from the school of liberation.

 

women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a woman,

that too an apsara.

 

the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have several

principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men

and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we dont

change the holy books.

 

since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely

conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation need

to know this.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24

and not 29 as typed inadvertently.

 

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun,

>

> Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment.

Specially women-libers

>

> It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in

the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It

seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa.

>

> I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by

vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will

stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they

must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we

cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be

attached to men is equally the cause of bondage.

>

> But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke

vairagya in men.

>

> Glad to hear from you...

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@>

> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

from

> > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

by

> > motilalbanarsidas.

> >

> > ============quote============

> > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

are

> > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

the

> > benefit of the world.

> >

> > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> >

> > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

the

> > limits of decency.

> > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > women are at the root of all sins.

> > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

great

> > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

for

> > erring, they do not wait.

> > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

approach

> > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

of

> > their husbands.

> > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

women

> > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

imbeciles

> > and dwarfs.

> > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > solicitations of lust.

> > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

in

> > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> > their husbands.

> > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

afraid

> > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

imprisoned.

> > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

to

> > an intelligent man.

> > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

is

> > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

is

> > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

man

> > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

perfumed

> > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

like

> > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

loves

> > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> > purused by them with other men.

> > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> >

> > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

by

> > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > =============unquote=========

> >

> > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

narrating

> > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

puranas.

> > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

are

> > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

pativratas

> > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

a

> > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

a

> > pativrata.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

>

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Jai Panditji!!!

 

I agree with you. Any spiritual-minded woman (like crown-jewel, Mira) will not

be offended because they do not mis-identify the soul with the body. But the

women " Feminists " would hate it. In this regard there is a funny joke:

 

Question: Why do Sumo wrestlers shave their legs?

Answer: So they won't be mistaken as a feminist!

 

Hahaha!!!

 

Y/s,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> dear brother richard

>

> thanks for understanding the objective of this narration positively

> as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who

> seek liberation and detachment from women.

>

> for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore

> this story as a subject from the school of liberation.

>

> women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a woman,

> that too an apsara.

>

> the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have several

> principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men

> and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we dont

> change the holy books.

>

> since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely

> conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation need

> to know this.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

> ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24

> and not 29 as typed inadvertently.

>

> sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjun,

> >

> > Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment.

> Specially women-libers

> >

> > It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in

> the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more accurate. It

> seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa.

> >

> > I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by

> vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will

> stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they

> must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we

> cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be

> attached to men is equally the cause of bondage.

> >

> > But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke

> vairagya in men.

> >

> > Glad to hear from you...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Richard

> >

> > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's nature "

> from

> > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is available in

> > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554 published

> by

> > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > >

> > > ============quote============

> > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly what was

> > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it is,

> > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment. women

> are

> > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles. attachment

> > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who desire

> > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition, the

> > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage narada was

> > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women for

> the

> > > benefit of the world.

> > >

> > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > >

> > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families, women

> > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand within

> the

> > > limits of decency.

> > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth, of

> great

> > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get opportunities

> for

> > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort to

> > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> approach

> > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands, it is

> > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are afraid

> of

> > > their husbands.

> > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> women

> > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and looked

> > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

> imbeciles

> > > and dwarfs.

> > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women with

> > > solicitations of lust.

> > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to indulge

> in

> > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad by

> > > their husbands.

> > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> afraid

> > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> imprisoned.

> > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please they are

> > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible even

> to

> > > an intelligent man.

> > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the ocean

> is

> > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of death

> is

> > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on seeing a

> man

> > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> perfumed

> > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to exude

> like

> > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they love,

> > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them well.

> > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with simple

> loves

> > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit love

> > > purused by them with other men.

> > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put together

> > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire, the

> > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women were

> > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > >

> > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as mentioned

> by

> > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause of

> > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > =============unquote=========

> > >

> > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma narrates

> > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> narrating

> > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> puranas.

> > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples who

> are

> > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > >

> > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> pativratas

> > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight that

> a

> > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are afraid of

> a

> > > pativrata.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> >

>

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dear brother richard

 

am really happy to note that this group members have taken this story

from the puranas positively.

 

once sulman rushdie wrote a book satanic verses in which he

reproduced few verses from the holy quran which remain the same and

found in all qurans published in any language anywhere in the world

even today. natives from developed countries thought with their

developed minds and searched for these verses as to whether they

exist in the book he is referring or not. once they found these

references, they lived peacefully. but in some underdeveloped and

developing countries, people took objection and even banned that book.

 

in this regard it is worth emulating from christians who rever the

holy book bible in toto albeit its old testament contains some codes

which look primitive and outdated for modern men. similarly our

puranas too may contain some outdated codes which we shall not object

to.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Jai Panditji!!!

>

> I agree with you. Any spiritual-minded woman (like crown-jewel,

Mira) will not be offended because they do not mis-identify the soul

with the body. But the women " Feminists " would hate it. In this

regard there is a funny joke:

>

> Question: Why do Sumo wrestlers shave their legs?

> Answer: So they won't be mistaken as a feminist!

>

> Hahaha!!!

>

> Y/s,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@>

> wrote:

> >

> > dear brother richard

> >

> > thanks for understanding the objective of this narration

positively

> > as it is targeted for a specific audience of sages and saints who

> > seek liberation and detachment from women.

> >

> > for all those men who wish attachment from women, they may ignore

> > this story as a subject from the school of liberation.

> >

> > women do not feel bad about this story as it is narrated by a

woman,

> > that too an apsara.

> >

> > the holy puranas as well as the holy bible old testament have

several

> > principles and codes of conduct which look primitive to modern men

> > and women but just because our lives and habits have changed we

dont

> > change the holy books.

> >

> > since even bhishma has narrated this in mahabhrata, we can safely

> > conclude that only those men who seek detachment and liberation

need

> > to know this.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > ps: there was a typing error in the story which is from chapter 24

> > and not 29 as typed inadvertently.

> >

> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown "

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pandit Arjun,

> > >

> > > Wow! Women might strongly disagree with the below assesment.

> > Specially women-libers

> > >

> > > It's almost like if you switch the word " women " to read " men " in

> > the below verse it might also sound accurate, maybe more

accurate. It

> > seems like the men are chasing the women and not visa versa.

> > >

> > > I understand this is meant to be the viewpoint to be adopted by

> > vairagis who want liberation from Maya. Attachment to women will

> > stunt liberation, but that seems to be the fault of men which they

> > must overcome. It's like if we take a gun and shoot some one we

> > cannot blame the fault is with the gun. Again, for women to be

> > attached to men is equally the cause of bondage.

> > >

> > > But I understand the purpose of the below verse is to invoke

> > vairagya in men.

> > >

> > > Glad to hear from you...

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > following is taken from the 29th chapter titled " women's

nature "

> > from

> > > > uma samhita in shivapurana. this particular story is

available in

> > > > volume 3 of the english shivapurana pages 1551 to 1554

published

> > by

> > > > motilalbanarsidas.

> > > >

> > > > ============quote============

> > > > vyasa says: o sage sanatkumara, please narrate succinctly

what was

> > > > mentioned by pancachuda that women are despicable.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: i shall explain the nature of women as it

is,

> > > > listen to it, merely hearing which results in detachment.

women

> > are

> > > > lightminded. they are at the root of all troubles.

attachment

> > > > towards them shall not be pursued by wakeful persons who

desire

> > > > liberation. in this respect they quote an ancient tradition,

the

> > > > conversation of narada with the unchaste woman pancacuda (an

> > > > apsara). formerly while the intelligent celestial sage

narada was

> > > > wandering in the worlds he saw the beautiful celestial damsel

> > > > pancacuda. naradas askes her to narrate the nature of women

for

> > the

> > > > benefit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > pancacuda (the woman apsara) says:

> > > >

> > > > this is the defect in women. even women of noble families,

women

> > > > with husbands and women endowed with beauty do not stand

within

> > the

> > > > limits of decency.

> > > > there is none more sinning and more sinful than women.

> > > > women are at the root of all sins.

> > > > they might have husbands of good knoweldge, of ample wealth,

of

> > great

> > > > comeliness and pleasing to them. but when they get

opportunities

> > for

> > > > erring, they do not wait.

> > > > this is the evil practice of all of us women, that we resort

to

> > > > sinful men casting off all shame and shyness.

> > > > women love only those persons who solicit their company, who

> > approach

> > > > them intimately and who render them a little bit of service.

> > > > women usually do not observe the limitations of conventional

> > > > decency. if at all they stand by them with their husbands,

it is

> > > > because no man makes advances to them or because they are

afraid

> > of

> > > > their husbands.

> > > > even women of noble families aspire for the life of lascivious

> > women

> > > > who in their prime of youth adorned with lovable ornaments and

> > > > beautiful wearing garments move about frivolously.

> > > > even the women who are honoured well, loved intimately and

looked

> > > > after with care become attached to hunchbacks, blind men,

> > imbeciles

> > > > and dwarfs.

> > > > they become attached to lame and even despicable persons.

> > > > there is none in the world who cannot be approached by women

with

> > > > solicitations of lust.

> > > > if women do not get men of their dalliance they begin to

indulge

> > in

> > > > abnormal sexual activity with one another. they do not stnad

by

> > > > their husbands.

> > > > women become desperate when they do not get men, when they are

> > afraid

> > > > of servants, when they are frightened of being killed or

> > imprisoned.

> > > > because they indulge in sexual intercourse as they please

they are

> > > > fickleminded, of evil deeds and emotionally incomprehensible

even

> > to

> > > > an intelligent man.

> > > > fire is not satiated with the logs of wood it consumes, the

ocean

> > is

> > > > not satiated with the rivers that flow into it. the god of

death

> > is

> > > > not satiated with the living beings he kills and women are not

> > > > satiated with the number of men they cohabit with.

> > > > there is another secret of all women that immediately on

seeing a

> > man

> > > > their vaginal passage begins to exude slimy secretions.

> > > > on seeing a man fresh and clean from his bath with his body

> > perfumed

> > > > with sweet scents, the vaginal passage of women begins to

exude

> > like

> > > > water dripping from a leather bag.

> > > > women do not brook their husbands who may give all that they

love,

> > > > who may honour and console them and who may look after them

well.

> > > > women do not remain satisfied and contented so much with

simple

> > loves

> > > > and pleasures and with ornaments and money as with illicit

love

> > > > purused by them with other men.

> > > > women can be kept equally balanced against all these put

together

> > > > viz. god of death, yama, antaka, patala, the submarine fire,

the

> > > > sharp edge of razor, poison, serpent and fire.

> > > > ever since the five elements, the world, the men and women

were

> > > > created by brahma, the defect lies in women always.

> > > >

> > > > sanatkumara says: o vyasa, thus the nature of women as

mentioned

> > by

> > > > a woman pancacuda has been narrated to you. what other cause

of

> > > > detachment do you wish to hear.

> > > > =============unquote=========

> > > >

> > > > the above story also appears in mahabharata where bhishma

narrates

> > > > this for the reason of detachment from women. sage narada

> > narrating

> > > > this story as a cause of detachment is also found in other

> > puranas.

> > > > many sages and saints narrate this story to their disciples

who

> > are

> > > > interested in liberation and detachment from women.

> > > >

> > > > members may remember a couple of mails earlier by me where

> > pativratas

> > > > brinda and tulasi gave curses to lord vishnu which highlight

that

> > a

> > > > pativrata is so rare and so powerful that even gods are

afraid of

> > a

> > > > pativrata.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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one must substitute the word men . i find this just

as Richard has stated written to support med to

become celibate and seek moksh. However

this goes even beyond womens lib

this is also a serious green light for many of the

horrific crimes against women down through the

centuries and in present time . I find it offensive

both spiritually and rather serious. women have

suffered for centuries in india. both as hindu and

muslem. no, i find the utterly unnaceptable. It is the

fault of the incarnation of a soul tha thas gone

into a mans body . I as a woman in this life have

chosen to be celibate unless married. and have always

such not because of the sickening behaviour and

character of men but because of spiritual principles.

men have the same capability neh?????? or is their

lust so great they need this kind of scripture

written? women covered to the ankles their feet cut

their sexual organs cut on and on and in .very uncool

 

 

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yes pandit i believe that to be true from richards side. we must also see that it is the man who is equally with desire for bondage that is the nature of man as well.

 

sincerely,

 

 

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yes i agree if you are seeking liberation then women are an impediment to that growth however that book was written in such a tone that at that time the understanding of how people feel with reactions to those words may have been limited. therefore with the ever changing rotations of the great planets jupiter and saturn we must understand that those words are harsh and don't help in propagating spiritual growth or liberatoin unless one interprets them properly in this age. in other words the statements are harsh and should be modified and made gentler because it is bound to cause aggravation to those who don't understand what it is trying to accomplish.

 

sincerely,

 

 

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Haha!!! Somehow I KNEW we would hear from dear Anne regarding this matter. I

would like to add in her support that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu told his monk

disciples that " to see the wooden form of a women " would cause fall down from

celebacy. So obviously we cannot blame the lifeless wooden form of a women. It's

absurd. And it places the entire blame on the men.

 

Y/s,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , anne thakur <annethakur wrote:

>

> one must substitute the word men . i find this just

> as Richard has stated written to support med to

> become celibate and seek moksh. However

> this goes even beyond womens lib

> this is also a serious green light for many of the

> horrific crimes against women down through the

> centuries and in present time . I find it offensive

> both spiritually and rather serious. women have

> suffered for centuries in india. both as hindu and

> muslem. no, i find the utterly unnaceptable. It is the

> fault of the incarnation of a soul tha thas gone

> into a mans body . I as a woman in this life have

> chosen to be celibate unless married. and have always

> such not because of the sickening behaviour and

> character of men but because of spiritual principles.

> men have the same capability neh?????? or is their

> lust so great they need this kind of scripture

> written? women covered to the ankles their feet cut

> their sexual organs cut on and on and in .very uncool

>

>

>

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BACK to subject of demonizing women, HERE is a quote

from Manusmriti: " yatra naryastu pujyate ramante tatra

devatah// " --- " Where women are honored, there the gods

revel! " And who dares argure with Manusmriti. THat is

a VERY bona fide Shasta

 

that quote should be the mantra instilled in men again

in india

 

again' there needs to b a resurgence of the divine

shakti

of all female principle in india

. frankly everywhere

 

moksh

sophia dalle

nyc

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