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November 13, 2007

Hello Panditji, Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you consider Snakes to be wild animals the entire interpretation will be very clear. A very good reason why the lawyer makes good money Well I am not that well versed with laws and definately dropped out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws Paper. Hope you find the below extract interesting and I do welcome your comments on the same. Chapter I ***** (5) "captive animal" means any animal, specified in Schedule I, Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is captured or kept or bred in captivity; ***** Chapter III Section twelve. ********** 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. - Notwithstanding anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall be lawful for the Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit, by an order in writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person, on payment of such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle the holder of such permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be specified therein, any wild animal specified in such permit, for the purpose of,_ (a) education;(24)[(b) scientific research; (bb) scientific Management. Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb), the expression, "Scientific Management" means - translocation of any wild animal to an alternative suitable habitat; or population

management of wildlife without killing or poisoning or destroying any wild animals; *********** Regarding protected species Schedule II part II *********** 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to genus Naja) *********** I dont know if you have google but I do assure you that the Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it very well and do understand Legal Language very well. For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link http://envfor.nic.in/legis/wildlife/wildlife1.html And please do send me some proof of killing and possessing of animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be visited by required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian Elite will not be using influence but a very simple police complaint. Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If killed for self defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal belong to the Govt. Chapter III Section 12 ********** 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in certain cases.– (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other law for the time being in force and subject to the provisions of Chapter IV – (a) the Chief Wildlife Warden may, if he is satisfied that any wild

animal specified in Sch. 1 has become dangerous to human life or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted; (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised officer may, if he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in Sch. II Sch, III or Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to property (including standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or cause such animal to be hunted. (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any wild animal in defence of oneself or of any other person shall not be an offence; Provided that nothing in this sub-section shall exonerate any person who, when such defence becomes

necessary, was committing any act in contravention of any provision of this Act or any rule or order made thereunder. (3) Any wild animal killed or wounded in defence of any person shall be Government property. ********** If the above is not very clear please let me know the next time you kill a wild animal for anything but self defence and we will let a court decide who is right. The Indian Airconditioned Psuedo Elite FYKI claims what they know. And by the way that Sharukh Khan adds example was way too lame He smokes in movies so do you encourage your children to smoke? Please do forgive my tone for I might have been a bit impolite disregarding your age and wisdom and I am way too drunk tonight. best regards, Jay panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendinstead of referring the articles of third parties, i studied the indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its amendments and nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you give me the relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it mentions snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to you.snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at government cost to various international cultural

fairs abroad organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all these are done officially.cobra is the snake which we are discussing in this thread. cobra is a normal snake according to indian wildlife act and its killing for self defence is not banned. trading the skin of only some rare snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is banned but that does not apply surely to cobra which we are discussing.snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out to them after which the government pronounced clearly that snakecharmers belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed by the governemnt.if you still

believe that snakecharming is banned, please mention the relevent clauses from the act and also mention why govenment is promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming, crores of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a snakecharmer would have been banned.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote:>> Sir,> > FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.> > http://www.wildlifesos.org/rprotect/snake_charm.htm> > As for keeping exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a permit from the Wildlife Governing agency. I have had a very dear

friend who now joined the Army but back in college was an active conservationist at one time had many snakes which he had rescued and which he would later release into wild.> > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy for speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet is the Home Sapien > > > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.> > Best,> > Jay> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friends> > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant myths to > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from > trustworthy people like us.> > for example when i posted the photo of a genuine siyar singhi last > year, few people shouted selling banned animals product after which i > produced the relevent portions from the indian

wildlife act excepting > vermin wherein this finds mention. similarly peacock feathers can > also be traded freely as they are not banned.> > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake or snake product. > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned. some snakes like > python are now reared as pets by some elite people. poison extracted > from snakes is purchased and used by various pharmaceutical > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are displayed in > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so selling a > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> >> > another bunkum. There is no

such ban. This is another myth > perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking > about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show the > notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon> > > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 > +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo > included> > > > > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of "Naga mani"? > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-> objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since it has been banned > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the items which are >

Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller to provide > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any other ID? > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even > with normal stones, what to speak of "naga mani." If they can't PROVE > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s, Richard> > --- > In sacred-objects , "Raj" <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >> > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have > > > nagamanis of different types for example these are not transparent > > > so are they fake too?http://i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg http://i7.tinypic.com/71d09p1.jpg > > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them at > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult to > find> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not transparent. I > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass. Y/s, Richard> > > > > > > sacred-objects , "Raj"

<raj_maiil@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me whether > this is a real nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there are lots of fake nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > > that> > > > this is a real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Do > You ?> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 13, 2007

you are right,does nagamani really have the powers or is it mere

imagination and myth?some say that after getting nagamani they got

good fortune and luck in the form of good job and happiness maybe its

just a coincidence or does the mani really have powers?if so why didnt

the snake charmers become rich because they have seen hundreds of

snakes and never found a mani?they always lead a poor life and never

got lucky.maybe only some have nagamani in their destiny only some can

find it...but how can we believe something without seeing it with

naked eyes?...maybe coz its very rare still its sometimes hard to

believe...we have just seen it in indian movies about ichaadari naag

and naagin with nagamani with supernatural powers with no

limitations.still its very mysterious and interesting how i wish we

could find more about it.

sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:

>

> my mother's elder sister has a " Nelmaanikyam " which is a pinkish

ruby shaped like a rice grain. It was in the treasury of a rich

ancient family and it is credited with lots of powers. It was sold to

her husband by an alcoholic in the family for 400 rupees in the 50s.

> The question I asked was if it brings so many boons why was it sold?

> anyway my aunt's husband rose in civil service but was suspended on

trumped up charges - like he did not attend a meeting to set up civil

defence in Kerala (during the 1962 conflict) while he was attending a

similar meeting in Delhi etc. He fought cases but died afterin a

tragic accident and was reinstated after his death. The aunt suffered

a lot because of a shizoid son and daughter.

> Whats the moral of the story?Menon

>

> sacred-objects: panditarjun2004: Tue, 13 Nov 2007

15:51:43 +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani?

photo included

>

> dear friendinstead of referring the articles of third parties, i

studied the indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its

amendments and nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you

give me the relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it

mentions snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to

you.snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at

government cost to various international cultural fairs abroad

organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several

government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all

these are done officially.cobra is the snake which we are discussing

in this thread. cobra is a normal snake according to indian wildlife

act and its killing for self defence is not banned. trading the skin

of only some rare snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is

banned but that does not apply surely to cobra which we are

discussing.snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite

airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of

snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of

snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out to

them after which the government pronounced clearly that snakecharmers

belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed by

the governemnt.if you still believe that snakecharming is banned,

please mention the relevent clauses from the act and also mention why

govenment is promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if

snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming, crores

of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a

snakecharmer would have been banned.with best wishes and

blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com--- In

sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote:>> Sir,>

> FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.> >

http://www.wildlifesos.org/rprotect/snake_charm.htm> > As for keeping

exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a permit from the Wildlife

Governing agency. I have had a very dear friend who now joined the

Army but back in college was an active conservationist at one time had

many snakes which he had rescued and which he would later release into

wild.> > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy

for speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet

is the Home Sapien > > > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.>

> Best,> > Jay> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> dear

friends> > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant

myths to > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from

> trustworthy people like us.> > for example when i posted the photo

of a genuine siyar singhi last > year, few people shouted selling

banned animals product after which i > produced the relevent portions

from the indian wildlife act excepting > vermin wherein this finds

mention. similarly peacock feathers can > also be traded freely as

they are not banned.> > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake

or snake product. > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned.

some snakes like > python are now reared as pets by some elite people.

poison extracted > from snakes is purchased and used by various

pharmaceutical > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are

displayed in > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so

selling a > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.> > with

best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> >

sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:>

>> > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth >

perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking >

about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show the

> notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon> > > > > >

sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 >

+0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo >

included> > > > > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the

existance of " Naga mani " ? > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law?

Wow!!!sacred-> objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>

wrote:>> Hello> > > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since

it has been banned > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that

the items which are > Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards>

Ranganath> > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard

Shaw-Brown > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller

to provide > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any

other ID? > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is

true even > with normal stones, what to speak of " naga mani. " If they

can't PROVE > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s,

Richard> > --- > In sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@>

wrote:> >> > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim

to have > > > nagamanis of different types for example these are not

transparent > > > so are they fake

too?http://i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > >

http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg http://i7.tinypic.com/71d09p1.jpg >

> > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them at

> > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult to

> find> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not

transparent. I > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass.

Y/s, Richard> > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

<raj_maiil@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please

tell me whether > this is a real nagamani-> > > >

http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there are lots of fake

nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > > that> > > > this is a

real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

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November 13, 2007

Real Lakshmi Shank (not whelk) or real Nagamani (not glass) have REAL powers,

according to Shastra. We already have seen that about 95% of Lakshmi Shank

owners are bogus. So I would assume 99% of Nagamani owners are bogus.

We must be lucky in the first place before good karma shows it's shining face.

Even if a Lakshma Shank can bring wealth, yet, getting that shank and that

wealth are all simply prarabdha punya karma fruits. Agna Purnanam calls good

gems an " escort " of good luck, not the cause of it. Karma is karma. And it takes

good karma to get a real Nagamani.

Why snake charmers are not rich. Actually, is Nagamani known for giving riches,

like Kuvera or Smt Lakshmi devi? The snake charmers will get rich if they can

sell a real Nagamani for a crore.

Why don't the astrologers & mystics win the lottery?

Best wishes,

Richard

sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil wrote:

>

> you are right,does nagamani really have the powers or is it mere

> imagination and myth?some say that after getting nagamani they got

> good fortune and luck in the form of good job and happiness maybe its

> just a coincidence or does the mani really have powers?if so why didnt

> the snake charmers become rich because they have seen hundreds of

> snakes and never found a mani?they always lead a poor life and never

> got lucky.maybe only some have nagamani in their destiny only some can

> find it...but how can we believe something without seeing it with

> naked eyes?...maybe coz its very rare still its sometimes hard to

> believe...we have just seen it in indian movies about ichaadari naag

> and naagin with nagamani with supernatural powers with no

> limitations.still its very mysterious and interesting how i wish we

> could find more about it.

> sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:

> >

> > my mother's elder sister has a " Nelmaanikyam " which is a pinkish

> ruby shaped like a rice grain. It was in the treasury of a rich

> ancient family and it is credited with lots of powers. It was sold to

> her husband by an alcoholic in the family for 400 rupees in the 50s.

> > The question I asked was if it brings so many boons why was it sold?

> > anyway my aunt's husband rose in civil service but was suspended on

> trumped up charges - like he did not attend a meeting to set up civil

> defence in Kerala (during the 1962 conflict) while he was attending a

> similar meeting in Delhi etc. He fought cases but died afterin a

> tragic accident and was reinstated after his death. The aunt suffered

> a lot because of a shizoid son and daughter.

> > Whats the moral of the story?Menon

> >

> > sacred-objects@: panditarjun2004@: Tue, 13 Nov 2007

> 15:51:43 +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani?

> photo included

> >

> > dear friendinstead of referring the articles of third parties, i

> studied the indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its

> amendments and nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you

> give me the relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it

> mentions snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to

> you.snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at

> government cost to various international cultural fairs abroad

> organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several

> government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all

> these are done officially.cobra is the snake which we are discussing

> in this thread. cobra is a normal snake according to indian wildlife

> act and its killing for self defence is not banned. trading the skin

> of only some rare snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is

> banned but that does not apply surely to cobra which we are

> discussing.snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite

> airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of

> snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of

> snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out to

> them after which the government pronounced clearly that snakecharmers

> belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed by

> the governemnt.if you still believe that snakecharming is banned,

> please mention the relevent clauses from the act and also mention why

> govenment is promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if

> snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming, crores

> of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a

> snakecharmer would have been banned.with best wishes and

> blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com--- In

> sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote:>> Sir,>

> > FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.> >

> http://www.wildlifesos.org/rprotect/snake_charm.htm> > As for keeping

> exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a permit from the Wildlife

> Governing agency. I have had a very dear friend who now joined the

> Army but back in college was an active conservationist at one time had

> many snakes which he had rescued and which he would later release into

> wild.> > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy

> for speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet

> is the Home Sapien > > > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.>

> > Best,> > Jay> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> dear

> friends> > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant

> myths to > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from

> > trustworthy people like us.> > for example when i posted the photo

> of a genuine siyar singhi last > year, few people shouted selling

> banned animals product after which i > produced the relevent portions

> from the indian wildlife act excepting > vermin wherein this finds

> mention. similarly peacock feathers can > also be traded freely as

> they are not banned.> > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake

> or snake product. > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned.

> some snakes like > python are now reared as pets by some elite people.

> poison extracted > from snakes is purchased and used by various

> pharmaceutical > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are

> displayed in > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so

> selling a > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.> > with

> best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> >

> sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:>

> >> > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth >

> perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking >

> about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show the

> > notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon> > > > > >

> sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 >

> +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo >

> included> > > > > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the

> existance of " Naga mani " ? > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law?

> Wow!!!sacred-> objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>

> wrote:>> Hello> > > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since

> it has been banned > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that

> the items which are > Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards>

> Ranganath> > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard

> Shaw-Brown > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller

> to provide > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any

> other ID? > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is

> true even > with normal stones, what to speak of " naga mani. " If they

> can't PROVE > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s,

> Richard> > --- > In sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@>

> wrote:> >> > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim

> to have > > > nagamanis of different types for example these are not

> transparent > > > so are they fake

> too?http://i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > >

> http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg http://i7.tinypic.com/71d09p1.jpg >

> > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them at

> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult to

> > find> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not

> transparent. I > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass.

> Y/s, Richard> > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> <raj_maiil@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please

> tell me whether > this is a real nagamani-> > > >

> http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there are lots of fake

> nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > > that> > > > this is a

> real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

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November 13, 2007

sir,they say that installing the nagamani in ur house gives u good

fortune...if so why dont the snake charmers install it in their houses

as they have a good chance of finding a mani?then they will get

lucky...i know that nagamani exists but its still a mystery whether it

has the powers as only a few people have it maybe it does

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Real Lakshmi Shank (not whelk) or real Nagamani (not glass) have

REAL powers, according to Shastra. We already have seen that about 95%

of Lakshmi Shank owners are bogus. So I would assume 99% of Nagamani

owners are bogus.

>

> We must be lucky in the first place before good karma shows it's

shining face. Even if a Lakshma Shank can bring wealth, yet, getting

that shank and that wealth are all simply prarabdha punya karma

fruits. Agna Purnanam calls good gems an " escort " of good luck, not

the cause of it. Karma is karma. And it takes good karma to get a real

Nagamani.

>

> Why snake charmers are not rich. Actually, is Nagamani known for

giving riches, like Kuvera or Smt Lakshmi devi? The snake charmers

will get rich if they can sell a real Nagamani for a crore.

>

> Why don't the astrologers & mystics win the lottery?

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@> wrote:

> >

> > you are right,does nagamani really have the powers or is it mere

> > imagination and myth?some say that after getting nagamani they got

> > good fortune and luck in the form of good job and happiness maybe its

> > just a coincidence or does the mani really have powers?if so why didnt

> > the snake charmers become rich because they have seen hundreds of

> > snakes and never found a mani?they always lead a poor life and never

> > got lucky.maybe only some have nagamani in their destiny only some can

> > find it...but how can we believe something without seeing it with

> > naked eyes?...maybe coz its very rare still its sometimes hard to

> > believe...we have just seen it in indian movies about ichaadari naag

> > and naagin with nagamani with supernatural powers with no

> > limitations.still its very mysterious and interesting how i wish we

> > could find more about it.

> > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > my mother's elder sister has a " Nelmaanikyam " which is a pinkish

> > ruby shaped like a rice grain. It was in the treasury of a rich

> > ancient family and it is credited with lots of powers. It was sold to

> > her husband by an alcoholic in the family for 400 rupees in the 50s.

> > > The question I asked was if it brings so many boons why was it sold?

> > > anyway my aunt's husband rose in civil service but was suspended on

> > trumped up charges - like he did not attend a meeting to set up civil

> > defence in Kerala (during the 1962 conflict) while he was attending a

> > similar meeting in Delhi etc. He fought cases but died afterin a

> > tragic accident and was reinstated after his death. The aunt suffered

> > a lot because of a shizoid son and daughter.

> > > Whats the moral of the story?Menon

> > >

> > > sacred-objects@: panditarjun2004@: Tue, 13 Nov 2007

> > 15:51:43 +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani?

> > photo included

> > >

> > > dear friendinstead of referring the articles of third parties, i

> > studied the indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its

> > amendments and nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you

> > give me the relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it

> > mentions snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to

> > you.snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at

> > government cost to various international cultural fairs abroad

> > organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several

> > government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all

> > these are done officially.cobra is the snake which we are discussing

> > in this thread. cobra is a normal snake according to indian wildlife

> > act and its killing for self defence is not banned. trading the skin

> > of only some rare snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is

> > banned but that does not apply surely to cobra which we are

> > discussing.snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite

> > airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of

> > snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of

> > snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out to

> > them after which the government pronounced clearly that snakecharmers

> > belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed by

> > the governemnt.if you still believe that snakecharming is banned,

> > please mention the relevent clauses from the act and also mention why

> > govenment is promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if

> > snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming, crores

> > of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a

> > snakecharmer would have been banned.with best wishes and

> > blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com--- In

> > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote:>> Sir,>

> > > FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.> >

> > http://www.wildlifesos.org/rprotect/snake_charm.htm> > As for keeping

> > exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a permit from the Wildlife

> > Governing agency. I have had a very dear friend who now joined the

> > Army but back in college was an active conservationist at one time had

> > many snakes which he had rescued and which he would later release into

> > wild.> > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy

> > for speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet

> > is the Home Sapien > > > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.>

> > > Best,> > Jay> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> dear

> > friends> > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant

> > myths to > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from

> > > trustworthy people like us.> > for example when i posted the photo

> > of a genuine siyar singhi last > year, few people shouted selling

> > banned animals product after which i > produced the relevent portions

> > from the indian wildlife act excepting > vermin wherein this finds

> > mention. similarly peacock feathers can > also be traded freely as

> > they are not banned.> > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake

> > or snake product. > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned.

> > some snakes like > python are now reared as pets by some elite people.

> > poison extracted > from snakes is purchased and used by various

> > pharmaceutical > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are

> > displayed in > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so

> > selling a > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.> > with

> > best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> >

> > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:>

> > >> > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth >

> > perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking >

> > about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show the

> > > notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon> > > > > >

> > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 >

> > +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo >

> > included> > > > > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the

> > existance of " Naga mani " ? > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law?

> > Wow!!!sacred-> objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>

> > wrote:>> Hello> > > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since

> > it has been banned > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that

> > the items which are > Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards>

> > Ranganath> > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard

> > Shaw-Brown > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller

> > to provide > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any

> > other ID? > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is

> > true even > with normal stones, what to speak of " naga mani. " If they

> > can't PROVE > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s,

> > Richard> > --- > In sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@>

> > wrote:> >> > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim

> > to have > > > nagamanis of different types for example these are not

> > transparent > > > so are they fake

> > too?http://i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > >

> > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg http://i7.tinypic.com/71d09p1.jpg >

> > > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them at

> > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult to

> > > find> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not

> > transparent. I > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass.

> > Y/s, Richard> > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> > <raj_maiil@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please

> > tell me whether > this is a real nagamani-> > > >

> > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there are lots of fake

> > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > > that> > > > this is a

> > real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

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>

November 14, 2007

dear friend

the mails written by me were highlighting how the indian government

itself is hiring snakecharmers and using snakecharmers in their

tourism ministry organised cultural fairs, especially in rajasthan.

the government will not do so if the laws you are understanding are

against it.

however, your language is not good as you are remarking " next time

you kill a snake " which is a way too personal.

please desist from making personal remarks in an offensive posture.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi

wrote:

>

> Hello Panditji,

>

> Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you consider Snakes to

be wild animals the entire interpretation will be very clear. A very

good reason why the lawyer makes good money

>

> Well I am not that well versed with laws and definately dropped

out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws Paper. Hope you find

the below extract interesting and I do welcome your comments on the

same.

>

> Chapter I

>

> *****

> (5) " captive animal " means any animal, specified in Schedule I,

Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is captured or kept or

bred in captivity;

> *****

>

> Chapter III Section twelve.

> **********

> 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. - Notwithstanding

anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall be lawful for the

Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit, by an order in

writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person, on payment of

such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle the holder of such

permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be specified

therein, any wild animal specified in such permit, for the purpose

of,_

> (a) education;(24)[(b) scientific research;

> (bb) scientific Management.

> Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb), the

expression, " Scientific Management " means -

>

> translocation of any wild animal to an alternative suitable

habitat; or

> population management of wildlife without killing or poisoning

or destroying any wild animals;

> ***********

>

> Regarding protected species Schedule II part II

>

> ***********

> 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to genus Naja)

> ***********

>

> I dont know if you have google but I do assure you that the

Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it very well and do

understand Legal Language very well.

>

> For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link

> http://envfor.nic.in/legis/wildlife/wildlife1.html

>

> And please do send me some proof of killing and possessing of

animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be visited by

required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian Elite will not

be using influence but a very simple police complaint.

>

> Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If killed for self

defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal belong to the Govt.

>

> Chapter III Section 12

>

> **********

> 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in certain cases.–

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other law for the time

being in force and subject to the provisions of Chapter IV –

> (a) the Chief Wildlife Warden may, if he is satisfied that

any wild animal specified in Sch. 1 has become dangerous to human

life or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order

in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit any person to

hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted;

> (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised officer may, if

he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in Sch. II Sch, III or

Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to property (including

standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or diseased as to be

beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the reasons

therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or cause such animal

to be hunted.

> (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any wild animal in

defence of oneself or of any other person shall not be an offence;

> Provided that nothing in this sub-section shall exonerate any

person who, when such defence becomes necessary, was committing any

act in contravention of any provision of this Act or any rule or

order made thereunder.

> (3) Any wild animal killed or wounded in defence of any person

shall be Government property.

> **********

>

> If the above is not very clear please let me know the next time

you kill a wild animal for anything but self defence and we will let

a court decide who is right.

>

> The Indian Airconditioned Psuedo Elite FYKI claims what they know.

>

> And by the way that Sharukh Khan adds example was way too lame

He smokes in movies so do you encourage your children to smoke?

>

> Please do forgive my tone for I might have been a bit impolite

disregarding your age and wisdom and I am way too drunk tonight.

>

> best regards,

>

> Jay

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friend

>

> instead of referring the articles of third parties, i studied the

> indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its amendments and

> nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you give me the

> relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it mentions

> snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to you.

>

> snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at

> government cost to various international cultural fairs abroad

> organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several

> government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all

> these are done officially.

>

> cobra is the snake which we are discussing in this thread. cobra is

> a normal snake according to indian wildlife act and its killing for

> self defence is not banned. trading the skin of only some rare

> snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is banned but that

does

> not apply surely to cobra which we are discussing.

>

> snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite

> airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of

> snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of

> snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out

to

> them after which the government pronounced clearly that

snakecharmers

> belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed

> by the governemnt.

>

> if you still believe that snakecharming is banned, please mention

the

> relevent clauses from the act and also mention why govenment is

> promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if

> snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming,

crores

> of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a

> snakecharmer would have been banned.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.

> >

> > http://www.wildlifesos.org/rprotect/snake_charm.htm

> >

> > As for keeping exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a

> permit from the Wildlife Governing agency. I have had a very dear

> friend who now joined the Army but back in college was an active

> conservationist at one time had many snakes which he had rescued

and

> which he would later release into wild.

> >

> > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy for

> speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet

is

> the Home Sapien

> >

> > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Jay

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > dear friends

> >

> > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant myths to

> > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from

> > trustworthy people like us.

> >

> > for example when i posted the photo of a genuine siyar singhi

last

> > year, few people shouted selling banned animals product after

which

> i

> > produced the relevent portions from the indian wildlife act

> excepting

> > vermin wherein this finds mention. similarly peacock feathers can

> > also be traded freely as they are not banned.

> >

> > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake or snake product.

> > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned. some snakes

like

> > python are now reared as pets by some elite people. poison

> extracted

> > from snakes is purchased and used by various pharmaceutical

> > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are displayed in

> > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so selling a

> > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth

> > perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from

> talking

> > about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show

> the

> > notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon

> > >

> > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35

> > +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo

> > included

> > >

> > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of " Naga

> mani " ?

> > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello>

>

> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since it has been

> banned

> > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the items which

are

> > Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath>

> > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller to

> provide

> > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any other

ID?

> > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true

even

> > with normal stones, what to speak of " naga mani. " If they can't

> PROVE

> > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s, Richard>

> --

> -

> > In sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

>

> > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have >

>

> > nagamanis of different types for example these are not

transparent

> >

> > > so are they fake too?http://i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

> > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/71d09p1.jpg

> >

> > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them

> at

> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult

> to

> > find> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-

Brown "

> >

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not

transparent.

> I

> > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass. Y/s, Richard>

>

> >

> > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj " <raj_maiil@>

> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me

> whether

> > this is a real nagamani-> > > >

http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg>

> >

> > > > there are lots of fake nagamanis around...but,someone told me

>

> >

> > that> > > > this is a real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> >

> >>

> > >> > > > > > >

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November 14, 2007

Dear Jay,

I read your mail with some amusement. There are two aspects to human life, morality and legality. Human beings are prone to preach both and practice neither. I believe you are a rare exception to this rule and I congratulate you on that account. I should however mention that the criteria to earn respect and the criteria to integrity is neither morality nor legality.

Every rational discussion should have a purpose. I presume your purpose is to save wildlife, my understanding of the thread is that the purpose of the thread is to understand the existance and effects of a mystical object with scriptural reference. A honest realignment might not be out of place for you to consider. More so in consideration that its not the morality of this group that is suspect as much as your need and affiliation to legality.

In the event that I actually find a Nagamani, I will surely let you know without the worry of a legal problem. Because, for law to be enforced in my humble understanding either a precedent or a proof is required. Considering the legal devices might not have a precedent acquiring a proof will mean incriminating itself in the same mess that it would try to incriminate me. Hence rest assured you will know about it.

As a tail piece, to rephrase your logic, you were drunk. Did you know that drunken driving and slander is illegal? Next time you drink and drive let me know and I will let the authorities know of the same.

Surya.

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004sacred-objects Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:09:08 AM Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

dear friendthe mails written by me were highlighting how the indian government itself is hiring snakecharmers and using snakecharmers in their tourism ministry organised cultural fairs, especially in rajasthan. the government will not do so if the laws you are understanding are against it.however, your language is not good as you are remarking "next time you kill a snake" which is a way too personal.please desist from making personal remarks in an offensive posture.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comsacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@. ..> wrote:>> Hello Panditji,> > Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you consider Snakes to be wild animals the entire

interpretation will be very clear. A very good reason why the lawyer makes good money > > Well I am not that well versed with laws and definately dropped out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws Paper. Hope you find the below extract interesting and I do welcome your comments on the same.> > Chapter I> > *****> (5) "captive animal" means any animal, specified in Schedule I, Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is captured or kept or bred in captivity;> *****> > Chapter III Section twelve. > **********> 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. - Notwithstanding anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall be lawful for the Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit, by an order in writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person, on payment of such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle

the holder of such permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be specified therein, any wild animal specified in such permit, for the purpose of,_> (a) education;(24) [(b) scientific research;> (bb) scientific Management.> Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb), the expression, "Scientific Management" means - > > translocation of any wild animal to an alternative suitable habitat; or > population management of wildlife without killing or poisoning or destroying any wild animals; > ***********> > Regarding protected species Schedule II part II> > ***********> 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to genus Naja)> ***********> > > I dont know if you have google but I do assure you that the Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it very well and do understand Legal Language very

well.> > For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link> http://envfor. nic.in/legis/ wildlife/ wildlife1. html> > And please do send me some proof of killing and possessing of animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be visited by required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian Elite will not be using influence but a very simple police complaint.> > Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If killed for self defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal belong to the Govt.> > Chapter III Section 12> > **********> 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in certain cases.– (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other law for the time being in force and subject to the provisions of Chapter IV –> (a) the Chief Wildlife

Warden may, if he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in Sch. 1 has become dangerous to human life or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted;> (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised officer may, if he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in Sch. II Sch, III or Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to property (including standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or cause such animal to be hunted.> (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any wild animal in defence of oneself or of any other person shall not be an offence;> Provided that nothing in this sub-section shall exonerate any

person who, when such defence becomes necessary, was committing any act in contravention of any provision of this Act or any rule or order made thereunder.> (3) Any wild animal killed or wounded in defence of any person shall be Government property.> **********> > If the above is not very clear please let me know the next time you kill a wild animal for anything but self defence and we will let a court decide who is right. > > The Indian Airconditioned Psuedo Elite FYKI claims what they know.> > And by the way that Sharukh Khan adds example was way too lame He smokes in movies so do you encourage your children to smoke?> > Please do forgive my tone for I might have been a bit impolite disregarding your age and wisdom and I am way too drunk tonight.> > best regards,> > Jay> > > > panditarjun2004

<panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> dear friend> > instead of referring the articles of third parties, i studied the > indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its amendments and > nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if you give me the > relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it mentions > snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful to you.> > snakecharmers have been hired by the government and were sent at > government cost to various international cultural fairs abroad > organised by the indian tourism ministry. even today several > government tourism offices hire snakecharmers at their camps. all > these are done officially.> > cobra is the snake which we are discussing in this thread. cobra is > a normal snake according to indian wildlife act and its killing for > self defence is not banned. trading

the skin of only some rare > snakes which are extinct or rarest in nature is banned but that does > not apply surely to cobra which we are discussing.> > snakecharmers were unnecessarily branded bad by the elite > airconditioned lifestyle animal lovers. last year hundreds of > snakecharmers seized the assembly of orissa and left hundreds of > snakes inside the assembly to highlight the harrassment meted out to > them after which the government pronounced clearly that snakecharmers > belong to an old traditional profession which will not be harrassed > by the governemnt.> > if you still believe that snakecharming is banned, please mention the > relevent clauses from the act and also mention why govenment is > promoting snakecharming in its own fairs even today. if > snakecharming is really banned in india, as you are claiming,

crores > of worth advertisement by pepsi with sharukh khan playing as a > snakecharmer would have been banned.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > wrote:> >> > Sir,> > > > FYKI Snake Charming is banned in India.> > > > http://www.wildlife sos.org/rprotect /snake_charm. htm> > > > As for keeping exotic animals as pets. For snakes you need a > permit from the Wildlife Governing agency. I have had a very dear > friend who now joined the Army but back in college was

an active > conservationist at one time had many snakes which he had rescued and > which he would later release into wild.> > > > I am quite surprised to see how there is a lack of empathy for > speechless animals. By far the most vicious animal on this planet is > the Home Sapien > > > > > > So is making monkeys and bears dance around.> > > > Best,> > > > Jay> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > dear friends> > > > some mischief mongers and jealous amateurs try to plant myths to > > scare the genuine customers from buying sacred objects from > > trustworthy people like us.> > > > for example when i posted the photo of a genuine siyar singhi last > > year, few people shouted selling banned animals product

after which > i > > produced the relevent portions from the indian wildlife act > excepting > > vermin wherein this finds mention. similarly peacock feathers can > > also be traded freely as they are not banned.> > > > there is no ban on killing or trading a snake or snake product. > > snakecharming is a profession which is not banned. some snakes like > > python are now reared as pets by some elite people. poison > extracted > > from snakes is purchased and used by various pharmaceutical > > companies. in some northeastern states, snakes are displayed in > > their restaurants where they are cooked and served. so selling a > > snake or a part of a snake is not banned in india.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> >

> > sacred-objects, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > >> > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth > > perpetrated by the fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from > talking > > about it till after he realises he was defrauded. Can anyone show > the > > notification? and pray, under what law is it banned?Menon> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ : rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 > > +0000 Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo > > included> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of "Naga > mani"?

> > Is Nagamani mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-> > objects@ .com, Ranganath P <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > > > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold in Public, > Since it has been > banned > > by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the items which are > > Sale May not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> > > International Business Partner> Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are glass. Why not get the seller to > provide > > a gem certificate ruling out glass, known stones, or any other ID? > > You cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even > > with normal stones, what to

speak of "naga mani." If they can't > PROVE > > it then they cannot sell it (except to an idiot). Y/s, Richard> > --> - > > In sacred-objects, "Raj" <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >> > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have > > > > nagamanis of different types for example these are not transparent > > > > > so are they fake too?http://i19.tinypic. com/85nyz4n. jpg > > > > http://i2.tinypic. com/6tfnvib. jpg http://i7.tinypic.

com/71d09p1. jpg > > > > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but cant believe them > at > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult > to > > find> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir, real Nagamani is not transparent. > I > > have tested this type. It > > is artificial glass. Y/s, Richard> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Raj" <raj_maiil@> > > wrote:> > >

>> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me > whether > > this is a real nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic. com/85vxpbb. jpg> > > > > > > there are lots of fake nagamanis around...but, someone told me > > > > > that> > > > this is a real nagamani please confirm sir.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> Do > > You ?> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection > > around > http://mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 14, 2007

Dear Panditji,

I did not mean personal offence while i can only thank

you for titling a certain category of people as elite

air conditioned animal lovers.

you claimed that you were well versed with the indian

wild life act 1972 and hence I posted the details

supporting my argument. 'when you kill' was used as

figuratively as 'elite air conditioned animal lover'

and if no offence was meant from your side no offence

was meant from my side.

anyway i did make my point clear with supporting

reference.

best,

Jay

--- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friend

>

> the mails written by me were highlighting how the

> indian government

> itself is hiring snakecharmers and using

> snakecharmers in their

> tourism ministry organised cultural fairs,

> especially in rajasthan.

> the government will not do so if the laws you are

> understanding are

> against it.

>

> however, your language is not good as you are

> remarking " next time

> you kill a snake " which is a way too personal.

>

> please desist from making personal remarks in an

> offensive posture.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> sacred-objects , Jay Munshi

> <jaymunshi

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Panditji,

> >

> > Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you

> consider Snakes to

> be wild animals the entire interpretation will be

> very clear. A very

> good reason why the lawyer makes good money

> >

> > Well I am not that well versed with laws and

> definately dropped

> out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws

> Paper. Hope you find

> the below extract interesting and I do welcome your

> comments on the

> same.

> >

> > Chapter I

> >

> > *****

> > (5) " captive animal " means any animal, specified

> in Schedule I,

> Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is

> captured or kept or

> bred in captivity;

> > *****

> >

> > Chapter III Section twelve.

> > **********

> > 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. -

> Notwithstanding

> anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall

> be lawful for the

> Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit,

> by an order in

> writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person,

> on payment of

> such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle

> the holder of such

> permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be

> specified

> therein, any wild animal specified in such permit,

> for the purpose

> of,_

> > (a) education;(24)[(b) scientific research;

> > (bb) scientific Management.

> > Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb),

> the

> expression, " Scientific Management " means -

> >

> > translocation of any wild animal to an

> alternative suitable

> habitat; or

> > population management of wildlife without

> killing or poisoning

> or destroying any wild animals;

> > ***********

> >

> > Regarding protected species Schedule II part II

> >

> > ***********

> > 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging

> to genus Naja)

> > ***********

> >

> > I dont know if you have google but I do assure

> you that the

> Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it

> very well and do

> understand Legal Language very well.

> >

> > For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link

> >

> http://envfor.nic.in/legis/wildlife/wildlife1.html

> >

> > And please do send me some proof of killing and

> possessing of

> animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be

> visited by

> required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian

> Elite will not

> be using influence but a very simple police

> complaint.

> >

> > Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If

> killed for self

> defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal

> belong to the Govt.

> >

> > Chapter III Section 12

> >

> > **********

> > 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in

> certain cases.

> (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other

> law for the time

> being in force and subject to the provisions of

> Chapter IV

> > (a) the Chief Wildlife Warden may, if he

> is satisfied that

> any wild animal specified in Sch. 1 has become

> dangerous to human

> life or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond

> recovery, by order

> in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit

> any person to

> hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted;

> > (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised

> officer may, if

> he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in

> Sch. II Sch, III or

> Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to

> property (including

> standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or

> diseased as to be

> beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the

> reasons

> therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or

> cause such animal

> to be hunted.

> > (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any

> wild animal in

> defence of oneself or of any other person shall not

> be an offence;

> > Provided that nothing in this sub-section shall

> exonerate any

> person who, when such defence becomes necessary, was

> committing any

> act in contravention of any provision of this Act or

> any rule or

> order made thereunder.

> > (3) Any wild animal killed or wounded in defence

> of any person

> shall be Government property.

> > **********

> >

> > If the above is not very clear please let me

> know the next time

> you kill a wild animal for anything but self defence

> and we will let

> a court decide who is right.

> >

> > The Indian Airconditioned Psuedo Elite FYKI

> claims what they know.

> >

> > And by the way that Sharukh Khan adds example

> was way too lame

> He smokes in movies so do you encourage your

> children to smoke?

> >

> > Please do forgive my tone for I might have been

> a bit impolite

> disregarding your age and wisdom and I am way too

> drunk tonight.

> >

> > best regards,

> >

> > Jay

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > dear friend

> >

> > instead of referring the articles of third

> parties, i studied the

> > indian wildlife protection act 1972 along with its

> amendments and

> > nowhere i find snakecharming banned in india. if

> you give me the

> > relvent chapters or schedules of this act where it

> mentions

> > snakecharming banned in india, i would be grateful

> to you.

>

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November 14, 2007

Dear Surya,

I so far have been a responsible citizen and assure

you that I do not drink and drive. Drunk slander I am

not sure if is illegal but as far as my posting goes I

have not used unparliamentary language. As far as i

know drunk between the keyboard and the computer is

yet to be fined.

My mail was not to seek respect or glory and perhaps

am as vain as any other human in pursuit of a moral

life but I do make an honest attempt so as to not

cause inconvinience to fellowmen.

Thanks for your support to conservation of wildlife.

best regards,

Jay

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> Dear Jay,

> I read your mail with some amusement. There are two

> aspects to human life, morality and legality. Human

> beings are prone to preach both and practice

> neither. I believe you are a rare exception to this

> rule and I congratulate you on that account. I

> should however mention that the criteria to earn

> respect and the criteria to integrity is neither

> morality nor legality.

>

> Every rational discussion should have a purpose. I

> presume your purpose is to save wildlife, my

> understanding of the thread is that the purpose of

> the thread is to understand the existance and

> effects of a mystical object with scriptural

> reference. A honest realignment might not be out of

> place for you to consider. More so in consideration

> that its not the morality of this group that is

> suspect as much as your need and affiliation to

> legality.

>

> In the event that I actually find a Nagamani, I will

> surely let you know without the worry of a legal

> problem. Because, for law to be enforced in my

> humble understanding either a precedent or a proof

> is required. Considering the legal devices might not

> have a precedent acquiring a proof will mean

> incriminating itself in the same mess that it would

> try to incriminate me. Hence rest assured you will

> know about it.

>

> As a tail piece, to rephrase your logic, you were

> drunk. Did you know that drunken driving and slander

> is illegal? Next time you drink and drive let me

> know and I will let the authorities know of the

> same.

>

> Surya.

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> sacred-objects

> Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:09:08 AM

> Re: is this Real Naga

> Mani? photo included

>

> dear friend

>

> the mails written by me were highlighting how the

> indian government

> itself is hiring snakecharmers and using

> snakecharmers in their

> tourism ministry organised cultural fairs,

> especially in rajasthan.

> the government will not do so if the laws you are

> understanding are

> against it.

>

> however, your language is not good as you are

> remarking " next time

> you kill a snake " which is a way too personal.

>

> please desist from making personal remarks in an

> offensive posture.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

> sacred-objects, Jay Munshi

> <jaymunshi@. ..>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Panditji,

> >

> > Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you

> consider Snakes to

> be wild animals the entire interpretation will be

> very clear. A very

> good reason why the lawyer makes good money

> >

> > Well I am not that well versed with laws and

> definately dropped

> out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws

> Paper. Hope you find

> the below extract interesting and I do welcome your

> comments on the

> same.

> >

> > Chapter I

> >

> > *****

> > (5) " captive animal " means any animal, specified

> in Schedule I,

> Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is

> captured or kept or

> bred in captivity;

> > *****

> >

> > Chapter III Section twelve.

> > **********

> > 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. -

> Notwithstanding

> anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall

> be lawful for the

> Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit,

> by an order in

> writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person,

> on payment of

> such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle

> the holder of such

> permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be

> specified

> therein, any wild animal specified in such permit,

> for the purpose

> of,_

> > (a) education;(24) [(b) scientific research;

> > (bb) scientific Management.

> > Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb), the

>

> expression, " Scientific Management " means -

> >

> > translocation of any wild animal to an alternative

> suitable

> habitat; or

> > population management of wildlife without killing

> or poisoning

> or destroying any wild animals;

> > ***********

> >

> > Regarding protected species Schedule II part II

> >

> > ***********

> > 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to

> genus Naja)

> > ***********

> >

> > I dont know if you have google but I do assure you

> that the

> Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it

> very well and do

> understand Legal Language very well.

> >

> > For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link

> > http://envfor. nic.in/legis/ wildlife/ wildlife1.

> html

> >

> > And please do send me some proof of killing and

> possessing of

> animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be

> visited by

> required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian

> Elite will not

> be using influence but a very simple police

> complaint.

> >

> > Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If

> killed for self

> defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal

> belong to the Govt.

> >

> > Chapter III Section 12

> >

> > **********

> > 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in

> certain cases.

> (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other

> law for the time

> being in force and subject to the provisions of

> Chapter IV

> > (a) the Chief Wildlife Warden may, if he is

> satisfied that

> any wild animal specified in Sch. 1 has become

> dangerous to human

> life or is so disabled or diseased as to be beyond

> recovery, by order

> in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit

> any person to

> hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted;

> > (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised

> officer may, if

> he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in

> Sch. II Sch, III or

> Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to

> property (including

> standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or

> diseased as to be

> beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the

> reasons

> therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or

> cause such animal

> to be hunted.

> > (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any

> wild animal in

> defence of oneself or of any other person shall not

> be an offence;

> > Provided that nothing in this sub-section shall

> exonerate any

> person who, when such defence becomes necessary, was

> committing any

>

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You humble me. But I hope you do see the real issues I hide behind my sarcasm. apologies for any offence!

Surya.

Jay Munshi <jaymunshisacred-objects Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:46:15 PMRe: Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

Dear Surya,I so far have been a responsible citizen and assureyou that I do not drink and drive. Drunk slander I amnot sure if is illegal but as far as my posting goes Ihave not used unparliamentary language. As far as iknow drunk between the keyboard and the computer isyet to be fined.My mail was not to seek respect or glory and perhapsam as vain as any other human in pursuit of a morallife but I do make an honest attempt so as to notcause inconvinience to fellowmen.Thanks for your support to conservation of wildlife.best regards, Jay --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ >wrote:> Dear Jay,> I read your mail with some amusement. There are two> aspects to human life, morality and legality. Human> beings are prone to

preach both and practice> neither. I believe you are a rare exception to this> rule and I congratulate you on that account. I> should however mention that the criteria to earn> respect and the criteria to integrity is neither> morality nor legality.> > Every rational discussion should have a purpose. I> presume your purpose is to save wildlife, my> understanding of the thread is that the purpose of> the thread is to understand the existance and> effects of a mystical object with scriptural> reference. A honest realignment might not be out of> place for you to consider. More so in consideration> that its not the morality of this group that is> suspect as much as your need and affiliation to> legality.> > In the event that I actually find a Nagamani, I will> surely let you know without the worry of a legal> problem.

Because, for law to be enforced in my> humble understanding either a precedent or a proof> is required. Considering the legal devices might not> have a precedent acquiring a proof will mean> incriminating itself in the same mess that it would> try to incriminate me. Hence rest assured you will> know about it.> > As a tail piece, to rephrase your logic, you were> drunk. Did you know that drunken driving and slander> is illegal? Next time you drink and drive let me> know and I will let the authorities know of the> same.> > Surya.> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> sacred-objects> Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:09:08 AM> Re: is this Real Naga> Mani? photo included> > dear friend> > the mails written by me were highlighting how the> indian government > itself is hiring snakecharmers and using> snakecharmers in their > tourism ministry organised cultural fairs,> especially in rajasthan. > the government will not do so if the laws you are> understanding are > against it.> > however, your language is not good as you are> remarking "next time > you kill a snake" which is a way too personal.> > please desist from making personal remarks in an> offensive posture.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy

..com> > sacred-objects, Jay Munshi> <jaymunshi@. ..> > wrote:> >> > Hello Panditji,> > > > Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you> consider Snakes to > be wild animals the entire interpretation will be> very clear. A very > good reason why the lawyer makes good money > > > > Well I am not that well versed with laws and> definately dropped > out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws> Paper. Hope you find > the below extract interesting and I do welcome your> comments on the > same.> > > > Chapter I> > > > *****> > (5) "captive animal" means any animal, specified> in Schedule I, > Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is> captured or kept or > bred in captivity;>

> *****> > > > Chapter III Section twelve. > > **********> > 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. -> Notwithstanding > anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall> be lawful for the > Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a permit,> by an order in > writing stating the reasons therefor, to any person,> on payment of > such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle> the holder of such > permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may be> specified > therein, any wild animal specified in such permit,> for the purpose > of,_> > (a) education;(24) [(b) scientific research;> > (bb) scientific Management.> > Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb), the> > expression, "Scientific Management" means - > > > > translocation of any

wild animal to an alternative> suitable > habitat; or > > population management of wildlife without killing> or poisoning > or destroying any wild animals; > > ***********> > > > Regarding protected species Schedule II part II> > > > ***********> > 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to> genus Naja)> > ***********> > > > > > I dont know if you have google but I do assure you> that the > Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it> very well and do > understand Legal Language very well.> > > > For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link> > http://envfor. nic.in/legis/ wildlife/ wildlife1.> html> > > > And please do send me some proof of killing

and> possessing of > animal part and I assure you the gentleman will be> visited by > required officer. Mind you the Airconditioned Indian> Elite will not > be using influence but a very simple police> complaint.> > > > Killing of any wild animal is prohibited. If> killed for self > defence which is lawfull the remains of the animal> belong to the Govt.> > > > Chapter III Section 12> > > > **********> > 11. Hunting of Wild animals to be permitted in> certain cases. > (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other> law for the time > being in force and subject to the provisions of> Chapter IV > > (a) the Chief Wildlife Warden may, if he is> satisfied that > any wild animal specified in Sch. 1 has become> dangerous to human > life or is so

disabled or diseased as to be beyond> recovery, by order > in writing and stating the reasons therefor, permit> any person to > hunt such animal or cause animal to be hunted;> > (b) the Chief Wildlife Warden or the authorised> officer may, if > he is satisfied that any wild animal specified in> Sch. II Sch, III or > Sch. IV has become dangerous to human life or to> property (including > standing crops on any land) or is so disabled or> diseased as to be > beyond recovery, by order in writing and stating the> reasons > therefor, permit any person to hunt such animal or> cause such animal > to be hunted.> > (2) The killing or wounding in good faith of any> wild animal in > defence of oneself or of any other person shall not> be an offence;> > Provided that nothing in this sub-section

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November 15, 2007

Ha ha ha....yes i do ignore your sarcasm. I am a

straight faced straight tongued chap and i take stand

if i believe in something.

best,

Jay

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> You humble me. But I hope you do see the real issues

> I hide behind my sarcasm. apologies for any

> offence!

> Surya.

>

> Jay Munshi <jaymunshi

> sacred-objects

> Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:46:15 PM

> Re: Re: is this Real Naga

> Mani? photo included

>

> Dear Surya,

> I so far have been a responsible citizen and assure

> you that I do not drink and drive. Drunk slander I

> am

> not sure if is illegal but as far as my posting goes

> I

> have not used unparliamentary language. As far as i

> know drunk between the keyboard and the computer is

> yet to be fined.

>

> My mail was not to seek respect or glory and perhaps

> am as vain as any other human in pursuit of a moral

> life but I do make an honest attempt so as to not

> cause inconvinience to fellowmen.

>

> Thanks for your support to conservation of wildlife.

> best regards,

> Jay

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ >

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Jay,

> > I read your mail with some amusement. There are

> two

> > aspects to human life, morality and legality.

> Human

> > beings are prone to preach both and practice

> > neither. I believe you are a rare exception to

> this

> > rule and I congratulate you on that account. I

> > should however mention that the criteria to earn

> > respect and the criteria to integrity is neither

> > morality nor legality.

> >

> > Every rational discussion should have a purpose. I

> > presume your purpose is to save wildlife, my

> > understanding of the thread is that the purpose of

> > the thread is to understand the existance and

> > effects of a mystical object with scriptural

> > reference. A honest realignment might not be out

> of

> > place for you to consider. More so in

> consideration

> > that its not the morality of this group that is

> > suspect as much as your need and affiliation to

> > legality.

> >

> > In the event that I actually find a Nagamani, I

> will

> > surely let you know without the worry of a legal

> > problem. Because, for law to be enforced in my

> > humble understanding either a precedent or a proof

> > is required. Considering the legal devices might

> not

> > have a precedent acquiring a proof will mean

> > incriminating itself in the same mess that it

> would

> > try to incriminate me. Hence rest assured you will

> > know about it.

> >

> > As a tail piece, to rephrase your logic, you were

> > drunk. Did you know that drunken driving and

> slander

> > is illegal? Next time you drink and drive let me

> > know and I will let the authorities know of the

> > same.

> >

> > Surya.

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > sacred-objects

> > Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:09:08 AM

> > Re: is this Real Naga

> > Mani? photo included

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > the mails written by me were highlighting how the

> > indian government

> > itself is hiring snakecharmers and using

> > snakecharmers in their

> > tourism ministry organised cultural fairs,

> > especially in rajasthan.

> > the government will not do so if the laws you are

> > understanding are

> > against it.

> >

> > however, your language is not good as you are

> > remarking " next time

> > you kill a snake " which is a way too personal.

> >

> > please desist from making personal remarks in an

> > offensive posture.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> >

> > sacred-objects, Jay

> Munshi

> > <jaymunshi@. ..>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Panditji,

> > >

> > > Laws are not necessarily inclusive but if you

> > consider Snakes to

> > be wild animals the entire interpretation will be

> > very clear. A very

> > good reason why the lawyer makes good money

> > >

> > > Well I am not that well versed with laws and

> > definately dropped

> > out of ICWAI but I did clear my Corporate Laws

> > Paper. Hope you find

> > the below extract interesting and I do welcome

> your

> > comments on the

> > same.

> > >

> > > Chapter I

> > >

> > > *****

> > > (5) " captive animal " means any animal, specified

> > in Schedule I,

> > Schedule II, Schedule II or Schedule IV, which is

> > captured or kept or

> > bred in captivity;

> > > *****

> > >

> > > Chapter III Section twelve.

> > > **********

> > > 12. Grant of permit for special purposes. -

> > Notwithstanding

> > anything contained elsewhere in this Act, it shall

> > be lawful for the

> > Chief Wild Life Warden, to grant (23)[***] a

> permit,

> > by an order in

> > writing stating the reasons therefor, to any

> person,

> > on payment of

> > such fee as may be prescribed, which shall entitle

> > the holder of such

> > permit to hunt subject to such conditions as may

> be

> > specified

> > therein, any wild animal specified in such permit,

> > for the purpose

> > of,_

> > > (a) education;(24) [(b) scientific research;

> > > (bb) scientific Management.

> > > Explanation - For the purposes of clause (bb),

> the

> >

> > expression, " Scientific Management " means -

> > >

> > > translocation of any wild animal to an

> alternative

> > suitable

> > habitat; or

> > > population management of wildlife without

> killing

> > or poisoning

> > or destroying any wild animals;

> > > ***********

> > >

> > > Regarding protected species Schedule II part II

> > >

> > > ***********

> > > 11. Indian cobras (all sub-species belonging to

> > genus Naja)

> > > ***********

> > >

> > > I dont know if you have google but I do assure

> you

> > that the

> > Indian Air Conditioned Elite do know how to use it

> > very well and do

> > understand Legal Language very well.

> > >

> > > For Your Kind Perusal Please Use The Below Link

> > > http://envfor. nic.in/legis/ wildlife/

> wildlife1.

> > html

>

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