Mother Meera in America

[Guest guest]

, " shakti6 " <jw> wrote:

>

> Devotees and others interested in the Indian saint Mother Meera may

> not know she's currently in the USA and giving darshan in a few large

> cities here. I've just returned from a weekend with her in Los

Angeles.

>

> Since I'm very new here I don't want to introduce myself with what

may seem like a commercial announcement so I'll just refer those

> interested to this web site http://www.mmdarshanamerica.com/ for her

> schedule. Googling " Mother Meera 2007 " will bring up more links and

> information.

>

> My apologies if this information has already been posted.

>

> -Jai

>

 

 

We don't hear very much about Mother Meera here, and I'm happy you

bring this up. Thank you. I'm told once that Mother Meera instruct her

disciple to close down several website dedicated to her. I thought

that is a very noble thing to do. Maybe that is one the reason I

really like her.

 

Thank you once again.

[Guest guest]

I really like her too. In fact, about a month ago I reserved a place

at her New York darshan. My first encounter with her was very low-key

and undramatic, but (in my opinion) ultimately life-changing. I have

nothing in particular to ask or say (her darshans aren't verbal

anyway); I would simply like to lay a flower at her feet. She is the

Real McCoy, as they say. ;-)

 

 

-- In , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote:

>

>

> We don't hear very much about Mother Meera here, and I'm happy you

> bring this up. Thank you. I'm told once that Mother Meera instruct her

> disciple to close down several website dedicated to her. I thought

> that is a very noble thing to do. Maybe that is one the reason I

> really like her.

>

> Thank you once again.

>

 

> , " shakti6 " <jwthomas@> wrote:

> >

> > Devotees and others interested in the Indian saint Mother Meera may

> > not know she's currently in the USA and giving darshan in a few large

> > cities here. I've just returned from a weekend with her in Los

> Angeles.

> >

> > Since I'm very new here I don't want to introduce myself with what

> may seem like a commercial announcement so I'll just refer those

> > interested to this web site http://www.mmdarshanamerica.com/ for her

> > schedule. Googling " Mother Meera 2007 " will bring up more links and

> > information.

> >

> > My apologies if this information has already been posted.

> >

> > -Jai

> >

[Guest guest]

WOW! Cool, she's HERE! in Denver this weekend. I requested a

reservation - let's see if I can still get in! Wow.

 

pr

 

, " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta

wrote:

>

> I really like her too. In fact, about a month ago I reserved a place

> at her New York darshan. My first encounter with her was very low-key

> and undramatic, but (in my opinion) ultimately life-changing. I have

> nothing in particular to ask or say (her darshans aren't verbal

> anyway); I would simply like to lay a flower at her feet. She is the

> Real McCoy, as they say. ;-)

>

>

> -- In , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > We don't hear very much about Mother Meera here, and I'm happy you

> > bring this up. Thank you. I'm told once that Mother Meera instruct

her

> > disciple to close down several website dedicated to her. I thought

> > that is a very noble thing to do. Maybe that is one the reason I

> > really like her.

> >

> > Thank you once again.

> >

>

> > , " shakti6 " <jwthomas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Devotees and others interested in the Indian saint Mother Meera may

> > > not know she's currently in the USA and giving darshan in a few

large

> > > cities here. I've just returned from a weekend with her in Los

> > Angeles.

> > >

> > > Since I'm very new here I don't want to introduce myself with what

> > may seem like a commercial announcement so I'll just refer those

> > > interested to this web site http://www.mmdarshanamerica.com/ for her

> > > schedule. Googling " Mother Meera 2007 " will bring up more links and

> > > information.

> > >

> > > My apologies if this information has already been posted.

> > >

> > > -Jai

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

At 11:05 PM +0000 4/17/07, Devi Bhakta wrote:

>I really like her too. In fact, about a month ago I reserved a place

>at her New York darshan. My first encounter with her was very low-key

>and undramatic, but (in my opinion) ultimately life-changing. I have

>nothing in particular to ask or say (her darshans aren't verbal

>anyway); I would simply like to lay a flower at her feet. She is the

>Real McCoy, as they say. ;-)

 

The important thing to remember is that she's not a guru, not a

teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that flows through her

and is palpable when you approach her for pranam and especially when

you look into her eyes. If you're in tune with her you can get some

small feeling for this even when you just stare at her photographs.

Even if you could ask her a question she'd respond with the most

mundane set of Hindu cliches you could imagine. Her " Answers " are

simply regurgitations of the talking points drilled into her by her

late uncle when she was a pre-teen being groomed for her maiden

appearance before the elders at the Aurobindo ashram. An empty

vessel, really; it's not she but the Power she channels that's the

real thing. If you're open to it the Power will change you more than

you can imagine, or even want. At least those are my conclusions

after being " with " her for nearly twelve years.

 

-Jai

[Guest guest]

, John Thomas <jw>

wrote: The important thing to remember is that she's not a guru, not

a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that flows through her

and is palpable when you approach her for pranam and especially when

you look into her eyes. If you're in tune with her you can get some

small feeling for this even when you just stare at her photographs.

 

An empty vessel, really; it's not she but the Power she channels

that's the real thing. If you're open to it the Power will change

you more than you can imagine, or even want. At least those are my

conclusions after being " with " her for nearly twelve years.

>

> -Jai

 

 

An nobody here will dispute your conclusion. We are not here to say

who is right or wrong.

 

Isnt this the same effect most of us have of our guru? How else can

it be any different. What do you think the guru transmit to the

sishya? Wouldnt this be the same for Amritanandamayi? She never

considers herself as a guru, but its others who flock to her. What

do you think brings those people to her if not because of the power

she channel to all? How can Mother Meera be any different?

 

I think if you do not want to consider her as a guru, its okay but I

think let others decide for themselves. If they would like to

consider her as a guru, she will be their guru. Please do not do

otherwise. That is my opinion.

[Guest guest]

John Thomas made very perceptive comments. Always you find divinity among the

mundane. Mother Meera is a Channel for communion with Divine and should be

recognised as such. There should be no confusion. I hope her simplicity and

innocence will be preserved. This the nature of true Divinity.

 

John Thomas <jw> wrote: At 11:05 PM +0000 4/17/07,

Devi Bhakta wrote:

>I really like her too. In fact, about a month ago I reserved a place

>at her New York darshan. My first encounter with her was very low-key

>and undramatic, but (in my opinion) ultimately life-changing. I have

>nothing in particular to ask or say (her darshans aren't verbal

>anyway); I would simply like to lay a flower at her feet. She is the

>Real McCoy, as they say. ;-)

 

The important thing to remember is that she's not a guru, not a

teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that flows through her

and is palpable when you approach her for pranam and especially when

you look into her eyes. If you're in tune with her you can get some

small feeling for this even when you just stare at her photographs.

Even if you could ask her a question she'd respond with the most

mundane set of Hindu cliches you could imagine. Her " Answers " are

simply regurgitations of the talking points drilled into her by her

late uncle when she was a pre-teen being groomed for her maiden

appearance before the elders at the Aurobindo ashram. An empty

vessel, really; it's not she but the Power she channels that's the

real thing. If you're open to it the Power will change you more than

you can imagine, or even want. At least those are my conclusions

after being " with " her for nearly twelve years.

 

-Jai

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> , John Thomas <jwthomas@>

> wrote: The important thing to remember is that she's not a guru,

not a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that flows through

her and is palpable when you approach her for pranam and especially

when you look into her eyes. If you're in tune with her you can get

some small feeling for this even when you just stare at her

photographs.

>

> An empty vessel, really; it's not she but the Power she channels

> that's the real thing. If you're open to it the Power will change

> you more than you can imagine, or even want. At least those are

my

> conclusions after being " with " her for nearly twelve years.

> >

> > -Jai

 

 

........... another, I think we should stop bickering weather she is

a guru or not a guru, or an empty vessel or some channel that the

power flows etc... She is there in USA, for goodness sake, if you

have this sudden urge to see her and get her blessing, just go!

[Guest guest]

Greetings to all:

 

Regarding the discussion of Mother Meera:

 

*** John Thomas wrote: The important thing to remember is that she's

not a guru, not a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that

flows through her ... An empty vessel, really; it's not she but the

Power she channels that's the real thing. If you're open to it the

Power will change you more than you can imagine, or even want. At

least those are my conclusions after being " with " her for nearly

twelve years. ***

 

Interesting view. My first association with Meera also dates back 12

or 13 years; that's interesting too. Meera's " handlers " always (or

always used too; I am not sure what these new Mother Meera Ashrams

are all about) go out of their way to clarify that she is not a guru.

Broadly speaking I agree she is not a " Guru " in the normally accepted

sense of the word (though the definition of " guru " is something that

informed persons can disagree upon). Still, comparing her to

an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit than is warranted!

 

I view Meera (somewhat like Ammachi, Karunamayi, Sai Baba and others)

as standing in the long tradition of Hindu saints -- in the sense

that most people don't approach them for teachings, per se, but

simply for their proximity or darshan. Like the Sun, these people

flood light upon all in their presence, and raise everyone around

them by their reflected glow. As you note, John, depending upon our

openness or lack of psychological resistance, the amount of " light "

(or Power) we receive can be almost negligible or utterly life-

changing.

 

*** venkat bhasksr wrote: John Thomas made very perceptive comments.

Always you find divinity among the mundane. Mother Meera is a Channel

for communion with Divine and should be recognised as such. There

should be no confusion. I hope her simplicity and innocence will be

preserved. This the nature of true Divinity. ***

 

Certainly, Meera's background is " mundane " in a sense. I believe she

was " discovered " as a teen-age housemaid in a wealthy home, when she

used to have epilepsy-like blackouts from which she's awaken speaking

of various prophecies and visions. The way her gift was

subsequently " packaged " and " marketed " might be objected to, but

frankly no one short of an entrepreneurial talent would have sufficed

to extend her reputation beyond her village or region.

 

Again, though, calling her a " Channel " -- even with a capital C -- is

not much different from calling her a " vessel, " in that it diminishes

the fact that she is also a person, a fully-realized human being with

an extraordinary gift to share with us. That is why I prefer to call

her a saint. All these 30 years later, Meera's " simplicity and

innocence, " as you say, appear to be fully intact. Neither you not I

nor anyone can diminish what Devi has given her; we can only, by

blocking it, diminish ourselves.

 

*** " NMadasamy " wrote: I think we should stop bickering weather she

is a guru or not a guru, or an empty vessel or some channel that the

power flows etc... She is there in USA, for goodness sake, if you

have this sudden urge to see her and get her blessing, just go! ***

 

I like Nora's input best of all. So I'm going! :-D

 

DB

[Guest guest]

Blessings DB,

 

I'm going as well, I have reservations for this weekend here in CO.

 

Namaste

pr

 

 

 

, " Devi Bhakta "

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Greetings to all:

>

> Regarding the discussion of Mother Meera:

>

> *** John Thomas wrote: The important thing to remember is that

she's

> not a guru, not a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that

> flows through her ... An empty vessel, really; it's not she but the

> Power she channels that's the real thing. If you're open to it the

> Power will change you more than you can imagine, or even want. At

> least those are my conclusions after being " with " her for nearly

> twelve years. ***

>

> Interesting view. My first association with Meera also dates back

12

> or 13 years; that's interesting too. Meera's " handlers " always (or

> always used too; I am not sure what these new Mother Meera Ashrams

> are all about) go out of their way to clarify that she is not a

guru.

> Broadly speaking I agree she is not a " Guru " in the normally

accepted

> sense of the word (though the definition of " guru " is something

that

> informed persons can disagree upon). Still, comparing her to

> an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit than is warranted!

>

> I view Meera (somewhat like Ammachi, Karunamayi, Sai Baba and

others)

> as standing in the long tradition of Hindu saints -- in the sense

> that most people don't approach them for teachings, per se, but

> simply for their proximity or darshan. Like the Sun, these people

> flood light upon all in their presence, and raise everyone around

> them by their reflected glow. As you note, John, depending upon our

> openness or lack of psychological resistance, the amount of " light "

> (or Power) we receive can be almost negligible or utterly life-

> changing.

>

> *** venkat bhasksr wrote: John Thomas made very perceptive

comments.

> Always you find divinity among the mundane. Mother Meera is a

Channel

> for communion with Divine and should be recognised as such. There

> should be no confusion. I hope her simplicity and innocence will be

> preserved. This the nature of true Divinity. ***

>

> Certainly, Meera's background is " mundane " in a sense. I believe

she

> was " discovered " as a teen-age housemaid in a wealthy home, when

she

> used to have epilepsy-like blackouts from which she's awaken

speaking

> of various prophecies and visions. The way her gift was

> subsequently " packaged " and " marketed " might be objected to, but

> frankly no one short of an entrepreneurial talent would have

sufficed

> to extend her reputation beyond her village or region.

>

> Again, though, calling her a " Channel " -- even with a capital C --

is

> not much different from calling her a " vessel, " in that it

diminishes

> the fact that she is also a person, a fully-realized human being

with

> an extraordinary gift to share with us. That is why I prefer to

call

> her a saint. All these 30 years later, Meera's " simplicity and

> innocence, " as you say, appear to be fully intact. Neither you not

I

> nor anyone can diminish what Devi has given her; we can only, by

> blocking it, diminish ourselves.

>

> *** " NMadasamy " wrote: I think we should stop bickering weather she

> is a guru or not a guru, or an empty vessel or some channel that

the

> power flows etc... She is there in USA, for goodness sake, if you

> have this sudden urge to see her and get her blessing, just go! ***

>

> I like Nora's input best of all. So I'm going! :-D

>

> DB

>

[Guest guest]

All is primordially merely the rishi

Itself

Nothing more

All is a play of mirrors

Tilted one way or another

Some are clouded

But some are highly polished and bright and pointed

Right at the rishi

Herself

Savitri

 

 

 

On Behalf Of prainbow61

Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:45 AM

 

Re: Mother Meera in America

 

Blessings DB,

 

I'm going as well, I have reservations for this weekend here in CO.

 

Namaste

pr

 

 

 

, " Devi Bhakta "

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Greetings to all:

>

> Regarding the discussion of Mother Meera:

>

> *** John Thomas wrote: The important thing to remember is that

she's

> not a guru, not a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power that

> flows through her ... An empty vessel, really; it's not she but the

> Power she channels that's the real thing. If you're open to it the

> Power will change you more than you can imagine, or even want. At

> least those are my conclusions after being " with " her for nearly

> twelve years. ***

>

> Interesting view. My first association with Meera also dates back

12

> or 13 years; that's interesting too. Meera's " handlers " always (or

> always used too; I am not sure what these new Mother Meera Ashrams

> are all about) go out of their way to clarify that she is not a

guru.

> Broadly speaking I agree she is not a " Guru " in the normally

accepted

> sense of the word (though the definition of " guru " is something

that

> informed persons can disagree upon). Still, comparing her to

> an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit than is warranted!

>

> I view Meera (somewhat like Ammachi, Karunamayi, Sai Baba and

others)

> as standing in the long tradition of Hindu saints -- in the sense

> that most people don't approach them for teachings, per se, but

> simply for their proximity or darshan. Like the Sun, these people

> flood light upon all in their presence, and raise everyone around

> them by their reflected glow. As you note, John, depending upon our

> openness or lack of psychological resistance, the amount of " light "

> (or Power) we receive can be almost negligible or utterly life-

> changing.

>

> *** venkat bhasksr wrote: John Thomas made very perceptive

comments.

> Always you find divinity among the mundane. Mother Meera is a

Channel

> for communion with Divine and should be recognised as such. There

> should be no confusion. I hope her simplicity and innocence will be

> preserved. This the nature of true Divinity. ***

>

> Certainly, Meera's background is " mundane " in a sense. I believe

she

> was " discovered " as a teen-age housemaid in a wealthy home, when

she

> used to have epilepsy-like blackouts from which she's awaken

speaking

> of various prophecies and visions. The way her gift was

> subsequently " packaged " and " marketed " might be objected to, but

> frankly no one short of an entrepreneurial talent would have

sufficed

> to extend her reputation beyond her village or region.

>

> Again, though, calling her a " Channel " -- even with a capital C --

is

> not much different from calling her a " vessel, " in that it

diminishes

> the fact that she is also a person, a fully-realized human being

with

> an extraordinary gift to share with us. That is why I prefer to

call

> her a saint. All these 30 years later, Meera's " simplicity and

> innocence, " as you say, appear to be fully intact. Neither you not

I

> nor anyone can diminish what Devi has given her; we can only, by

> blocking it, diminish ourselves.

>

> *** " NMadasamy " wrote: I think we should stop bickering weather she

> is a guru or not a guru, or an empty vessel or some channel that

the

> power flows etc... She is there in USA, for goodness sake, if you

> have this sudden urge to see her and get her blessing, just go! ***

>

> I like Nora's input best of all. So I'm going! :-D

>

> DB

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta

wrote:

>...comparing her to an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit

>than is warranted!

 

Not to " bicker " with you, but let me reply only to clarify

the statement that you disagree with.

 

The view manifesting through my particular mind is that we're *all*

empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the Divine Mother.

Shakti creates all, animates all, and acts in the world through Her

many vessels in accordance with Her Divine Lila in ways that our very

small minds cannot comprehend. Some She makes fools, others gurus,

others thinkers, others warriors, others agents of destruction, others

peace bringers; and a very few others vessels through whom she reveals

Herself directly and immediately. My experience with Mother Meera

leads me to conclude that she is this latter kind of vessel.

 

I don't claim for a moment that I am " right; " only that this is the

concept that Shakti has manifested through me in response to the

experiences she has given me for her own purposes. All other points

of view about her are equally valid because they are all equally Her

manifestations.

 

Namaste to all who know they are She.

 

-Jai

[Guest guest]

No bickering from me ;-) ... Thanks for the clarification.

 

DB

 

 

, " shakti6 " <jw> wrote:

>

> , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta@>

> wrote:

> >...comparing her to an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit

> >than is warranted!

>

> Not to " bicker " with you, but let me reply only to clarify

> the statement that you disagree with.

>

> The view manifesting through my particular mind is that we're *all*

> empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the Divine Mother.

> Shakti creates all, animates all, and acts in the world through Her

> many vessels in accordance with Her Divine Lila in ways that our

very

> small minds cannot comprehend. Some She makes fools, others gurus,

> others thinkers, others warriors, others agents of destruction,

others

> peace bringers; and a very few others vessels through whom she

reveals

> Herself directly and immediately. My experience with Mother Meera

> leads me to conclude that she is this latter kind of vessel.

>

> I don't claim for a moment that I am " right; " only that this is the

> concept that Shakti has manifested through me in response to the

> experiences she has given me for her own purposes. All other points

> of view about her are equally valid because they are all equally Her

> manifestations.

>

> Namaste to all who know they are She.

>

> -Jai

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that's great. Enjoy the darshan, and I would love to hear your

reaction after it's over.

 

Warmest regards

 

DB

 

, " prainbow61 " <paulie-

rainbow wrote:

>

> Blessings DB,

>

> I'm going as well, I have reservations for this weekend here in CO.

>

> Namaste

> pr

>

>

>

> , " Devi Bhakta "

> <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> >

> > Greetings to all:

> >

> > Regarding the discussion of Mother Meera:

> >

> > *** John Thomas wrote: The important thing to remember is that

> she's

> > not a guru, not a teacher - she's a channel for a great Power

that

> > flows through her ... An empty vessel, really; it's not she but

the

> > Power she channels that's the real thing. If you're open to it

the

> > Power will change you more than you can imagine, or even want.

At

> > least those are my conclusions after being " with " her for nearly

> > twelve years. ***

> >

> > Interesting view. My first association with Meera also dates back

> 12

> > or 13 years; that's interesting too. Meera's " handlers " always

(or

> > always used too; I am not sure what these new Mother Meera

Ashrams

> > are all about) go out of their way to clarify that she is not a

> guru.

> > Broadly speaking I agree she is not a " Guru " in the normally

> accepted

> > sense of the word (though the definition of " guru " is something

> that

> > informed persons can disagree upon). Still, comparing her to

> > an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit than is warranted!

> >

> > I view Meera (somewhat like Ammachi, Karunamayi, Sai Baba and

> others)

> > as standing in the long tradition of Hindu saints -- in the sense

> > that most people don't approach them for teachings, per se, but

> > simply for their proximity or darshan. Like the Sun, these people

> > flood light upon all in their presence, and raise everyone around

> > them by their reflected glow. As you note, John, depending upon

our

> > openness or lack of psychological resistance, the amount

of " light "

> > (or Power) we receive can be almost negligible or utterly life-

> > changing.

> >

> > *** venkat bhasksr wrote: John Thomas made very perceptive

> comments.

> > Always you find divinity among the mundane. Mother Meera is a

> Channel

> > for communion with Divine and should be recognised as such. There

> > should be no confusion. I hope her simplicity and innocence will

be

> > preserved. This the nature of true Divinity. ***

> >

> > Certainly, Meera's background is " mundane " in a sense. I believe

> she

> > was " discovered " as a teen-age housemaid in a wealthy home, when

> she

> > used to have epilepsy-like blackouts from which she's awaken

> speaking

> > of various prophecies and visions. The way her gift was

> > subsequently " packaged " and " marketed " might be objected to, but

> > frankly no one short of an entrepreneurial talent would have

> sufficed

> > to extend her reputation beyond her village or region.

> >

> > Again, though, calling her a " Channel " -- even with a capital C --

 

> is

> > not much different from calling her a " vessel, " in that it

> diminishes

> > the fact that she is also a person, a fully-realized human being

> with

> > an extraordinary gift to share with us. That is why I prefer to

> call

> > her a saint. All these 30 years later, Meera's " simplicity and

> > innocence, " as you say, appear to be fully intact. Neither you

not

> I

> > nor anyone can diminish what Devi has given her; we can only, by

> > blocking it, diminish ourselves.

> >

> > *** " NMadasamy " wrote: I think we should stop bickering weather

she

> > is a guru or not a guru, or an empty vessel or some channel that

> the

> > power flows etc... She is there in USA, for goodness sake, if you

> > have this sudden urge to see her and get her blessing, just go!

***

> >

> > I like Nora's input best of all. So I'm going! :-D

> >

> > DB

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " shakti6 " <jw>

wrote: The view manifesting through my particular mind is that we're

*all* empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the Divine

Mother.

 

 

.... before you could try to received a fresh milk in your empty

vessel, first you must empty and clean it properly. All residual must

be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

[Guest guest]

, " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote:

 

>> , " shakti6 " <jwthomas@>

>> wrote: The view manifesting through my particular mind is that

>>we're *all* empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the

>>Divine Mother.

 

> ... before you could try to received a fresh milk in your empty

> vessel, first you must empty and clean it properly. All residual

>must be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

 

All our " doing " is an illusion. Shakti is and does everything.

 

Shakti does or does not empty and clean Her vessels depending on their

part in Her unknowable purpose. Nothing is tainted because

everything - vessel, milk, residual, taint - is Shakti and has its

place in Shakti's lila. This is the understanding of tantra that

Shakti has given me.

 

Shakti has given you a different understanding than mine in accordance

with her purpose. But accept the fact that neither you nor I have the

slightest inkling of that purpose and therefore can not pass judgement

on or prescribe for anyone else's participation in that purpose.

 

For a perspective far greater than that of either of us:

http://www.bluedove.com/new_repr/descrip/MotOf.html

 

 

-Jai

[Guest guest]

, " shakti6 " <jw>

wrote:

>

> , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy@>

wrote:

>

> >> , " shakti6 " <jwthomas@>

> >> wrote: The view manifesting through my particular mind is that

> >>we're *all* empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the

> >>Divine Mother.

>

> > ... before you could try to received a fresh milk in your empty

> > vessel, first you must empty and clean it properly. All residual

> >must be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

>

> All our " doing " is an illusion. Shakti is and does everything.

>

 

 

.... but we are the shakti. Before you can worship the DEVI you must

be the DEVI. DEVI you and you are DEVI. That is the basis of Tantra

as I understands it. How can our doing be an illusion. So means

Shakti is illusion?

[Guest guest]

, " shakti6 " <jw> wrote:

Shakti has given you a different understanding than mine in accordance

with her purpose. But accept the fact that neither you nor I have the

slightest inkling of that purpose and therefore can not pass judgement

on or prescribe for anyone else's participation in that purpose.

 

 

... and please understanding I am not passing any judgement on you or

anyone. I'm just puzzled as to why you need to even respond to this

message of mine in the first place. I am making a general statement as

I see it. Why this need to justify your understanding of the Shakti?

[Guest guest]

In a sense all this is sort of bullshit since all is merely Kundalini chit

shakti and nothing and I mean nothing else.

 

 

On Behalf Of shakti6

Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 PM

 

Re: Mother Meera in America

 

, " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote:

 

>> , " shakti6 " <jwthomas@>

>> wrote: The view manifesting through my particular mind is that

>>we're *all* empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the

>>Divine Mother.

 

> ... before you could try to received a fresh milk in your empty

> vessel, first you must empty and clean it properly. All residual

>must be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

 

All our " doing " is an illusion. Shakti is and does everything.

 

Shakti does or does not empty and clean Her vessels depending on their

part in Her unknowable purpose. Nothing is tainted because

everything - vessel, milk, residual, taint - is Shakti and has its

place in Shakti's lila. This is the understanding of tantra that

Shakti has given me.

 

Shakti has given you a different understanding than mine in accordance

with her purpose. But accept the fact that neither you nor I have the

slightest inkling of that purpose and therefore can not pass judgement

on or prescribe for anyone else's participation in that purpose.

 

For a perspective far greater than that of either of us:

http://www.bluedove.com/new_repr/descrip/MotOf.html

 

 

-Jai

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste,Jai:

 

Brilliant.

 

SV

 

, " shakti6 " <jw>

wrote:

>

> , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta@>

> wrote:

> >...comparing her to an " empty vessel " gives her rather less credit

> >than is warranted!

>

> Not to " bicker " with you, but let me reply only to clarify

> the statement that you disagree with.

>

> The view manifesting through my particular mind is that we're *all*

> empty vessels animated by the energy of Shakti the Divine Mother.

> Shakti creates all, animates all, and acts in the world through Her

> many vessels in accordance with Her Divine Lila in ways that our

very

> small minds cannot comprehend. Some She makes fools, others gurus,

> others thinkers, others warriors, others agents of destruction,

others

> peace bringers; and a very few others vessels through whom she

reveals

> Herself directly and immediately. My experience with Mother Meera

> leads me to conclude that she is this latter kind of vessel.

>

> I don't claim for a moment that I am " right; " only that this is the

> concept that Shakti has manifested through me in response to the

> experiences she has given me for her own purposes. All other

points

> of view about her are equally valid because they are all equally

Her

> manifestations.

>

> Namaste to all who know they are She.

>

> -Jai

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,My name is Gobinder chopra.I am writing from Las

vegas.I was not fortunate enough to go to Boulder and

have Darshan of Maa Meera this time and she has no

plans to come to Las vegas.Please share if you can of

your experience at the time of Darshan and afterwards

please with the group.Thanks in advance.

 

 

--- shakti6 <jw> wrote:

 

> , " NMadasamy "

> <nmadasamy wrote:

>

> >> , " shakti6 "

> <jwthomas@>

> >> wrote: The view manifesting through my

> particular mind is that

> >>we're *all* empty vessels animated by the energy

> of Shakti the

> >>Divine Mother.

>

> > ... before you could try to received a fresh milk

> in your empty

> > vessel, first you must empty and clean it

> properly. All residual

> >must be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

>

> All our " doing " is an illusion. Shakti is and does

> everything.

>

> Shakti does or does not empty and clean Her vessels

> depending on their

> part in Her unknowable purpose. Nothing is tainted

> because

> everything - vessel, milk, residual, taint - is

> Shakti and has its

> place in Shakti's lila. This is the understanding of

> tantra that

> Shakti has given me.

>

> Shakti has given you a different understanding than

> mine in accordance

> with her purpose. But accept the fact that neither

> you nor I have the

> slightest inkling of that purpose and therefore can

> not pass judgement

> on or prescribe for anyone else's participation in

> that purpose.

>

> For a perspective far greater than that of either of

> us:

> http://www.bluedove.com/new_repr/descrip/MotOf.html

>

>

> -Jai

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Gobinder,

 

I have just gotten back. I'm not sure how to express my experience.

 

I think that our experience has a lot to do with what we bring to the

divine.

 

Since I signed up in such a rush, and really was not familiar with

Mother Meera....well, both it is that my experience was untainted by

expectations, and that my experience was entirely colored by my

relationship to myself and the Goddess.

 

I know I need the Mother in my life whether I show up for Her in a

church gymn or spend time in meditation at home.

 

Although most of the people around me seemed content, or peaceful, or

joyful, a volunteer assured me that there was nothing at all unusual

about tears; that the experience will bring up what ever needs to be

brought up.

 

I am impressed with Mother Meera and I'm very grateful that I took

advantage of the opportunity to show up for this. I am grateful to the

first person who mentioned this on this list. I'm grateful that I've

been checking back in more, and I'm grateful that I checked out the

link, and impulsively signed up.

 

I'm just not sure that I've completely processed this experience yet.

 

I will say that I was suprised to see almost no Indian people there.

Maybe it was the location, maybe something I don't know yet, but it

was a very " middle america " kind of crowd.

 

Also, somethings you just cannot read about, you've got to show up.

 

But Devi is everything and everywhere. I'm sure that you can go to Her

directly and she will provide what you need.

 

BTW, I have been to LV twice and both times took the time to visit a

small shrine in the desert north of the city that has a large statue

of the Egyptian Goddess Sekmet. Is it still there?

 

Jai Ma,

 

pr

 

, Manjit Chopra <manjitc wrote:

>

> Hello,My name is Gobinder chopra.I am writing from Las

> vegas.I was not fortunate enough to go to Boulder and

> have Darshan of Maa Meera this time and she has no

> plans to come to Las vegas.Please share if you can of

> your experience at the time of Darshan and afterwards

> please with the group.Thanks in advance.

>

>

> --- shakti6 <jw> wrote:

>

> > , " NMadasamy "

> > <nmadasamy@> wrote:

> >

> > >> , " shakti6 "

> > <jwthomas@>

> > >> wrote: The view manifesting through my

> > particular mind is that

> > >>we're *all* empty vessels animated by the energy

> > of Shakti the

> > >>Divine Mother.

> >

> > > ... before you could try to received a fresh milk

> > in your empty

> > > vessel, first you must empty and clean it

> > properly. All residual

> > >must be remove or it will taint the fresh milk.

> >

> > All our " doing " is an illusion. Shakti is and does

> > everything.

> >

> > Shakti does or does not empty and clean Her vessels

> > depending on their

> > part in Her unknowable purpose. Nothing is tainted

> > because

> > everything - vessel, milk, residual, taint - is

> > Shakti and has its

> > place in Shakti's lila. This is the understanding of

> > tantra that

> > Shakti has given me.

> >

> > Shakti has given you a different understanding than

> > mine in accordance

> > with her purpose. But accept the fact that neither

> > you nor I have the

> > slightest inkling of that purpose and therefore can

> > not pass judgement

> > on or prescribe for anyone else's participation in

> > that purpose.

> >

> > For a perspective far greater than that of either of

> > us:

> > http://www.bluedove.com/new_repr/descrip/MotOf.html

> >

> >

> > -Jai

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for your reply Pr.I hope next time

i am able to go and Lucky enough to get the

chance.Gobinder

 

--- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:

 

> Namaste Gobinder,

>

> I have just gotten back. I'm not sure how to express

> my experience.

>

> I think that our experience has a lot to do with

> what we bring to the

> divine.

>

> Since I signed up in such a rush, and really was not

> familiar with Mother Meera....well, both it is that my experience

> was untainted by expectations, and that my experience was entirely

> colored by my relationship to myself and the Goddess.

>

> I know I need the Mother in my life whether I show

> up for Her in a

> church gymn or spend time in meditation at home.

>

> Although most of the people around me seemed

> content, or peaceful, or

> joyful, a volunteer assured me that there was

> nothing at all unusual

> about tears; that the experience will bring up what

> ever needs to be

> brought up.

>

> I am impressed with Mother Meera and I'm very

> grateful that I took

> advantage of the opportunity to show up for this. I

> am grateful to the

> first person who mentioned this on this list. I'm

> grateful that I've

> been checking back in more, and I'm grateful that I

> checked out the

> link, and impulsively signed up.

>

> I'm just not sure that I've completely processed

> this experience yet.

>

> I will say that I was suprised to see almost no

> Indian people there.

> Maybe it was the location, maybe something I don't

> know yet, but it

> was a very " middle america " kind of crowd.

>

> Also, somethings you just cannot read about, you've

> got to show up.

>

> But Devi is everything and everywhere. I'm sure that

> you can go to Her

> directly and she will provide what you need.

>

> BTW, I have been to LV twice and both times took the

> time to visit a

> small shrine in the desert north of the city that

> has a large statue

> of the Egyptian Goddess Sekmet. Is it still there?

>

> Jai Ma,

>

> pr