Results with Devipuram Maha Merus?

[Guest guest]

Hello!

 

I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus from the Kumbha

Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a steep Rupees 10,000

and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns away sin like a wad of cotton

consumed by a fire. Even if one does no puja, just keeping it

in the home attracts all good to the home. And if one worships the

Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, there remains no desire

unfulfilled. "

 

I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering

whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the meru

and feel the same way?

 

Wanna be a bhakta of the Devi

[Guest guest]

Hello WBABOTD:

 

For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were

made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who wished

to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus that

had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event.

 

All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As

noted on the Devipuram web site:

 

" The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this event

only is as follows:

 

1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru

2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru

 

There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after this

event. "

 

If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained one of

these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are

complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results

" promised " by Guruji.

 

" I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble.

" And am wondering -- whatever happened???? "

 

What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to the

shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in, refund

or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you simply

fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop?

 

Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to consider.

Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday:

 

" When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH

'miracles' happen. "

 

Or read Nora's from a day earlier:

 

" Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most

important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete

faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will come

your way. "

 

You never know. Maybe they're on to something?

 

DB

 

 

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Hello!

>

> I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus from the

Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a steep Rupees

10,000

> and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns away sin like a wad

of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does no puja, just keeping it

> in the home attracts all good to the home. And if one worships the

> Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, there remains no desire

> unfulfilled. "

>

> I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering

> whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the meru

> and feel the same way?

>

> Wanna be a bhakta of the Devi

>

[Guest guest]

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus

from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a

steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns

away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does

no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the home.

And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion,

there remains no desire unfulfilled. "

>

I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering

whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the

meru

and feel the same way?

 

 

I like to share a story abt the Meru.

 

About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja during

the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event : from

morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift. I

dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I

told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come in

their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So when

we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my

husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru

comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I just

left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my

husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to

Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband

was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching

for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child he

normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can

remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle of

the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the

abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place

before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the child

gone missing.

 

Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place?

 

Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident reinforce

my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or

anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such.

[Guest guest]

, " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> --- In

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

> <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus

> from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a

> steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch

burns

> away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does

> no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the

home.

> And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion,

> there remains no desire unfulfilled. "

> >

> I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am

wondering

> whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the

> meru

> and feel the same way?

>

>

> I like to share a story abt the Meru.

>

> About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja

during

> the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event :

from

> morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift.

I

> dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I

> told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come

in

> their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So

when

> we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my

> husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru

> comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I

just

> left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my

> husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to

> Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband

> was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching

> for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child

he

> normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can

> remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle

of

> the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the

> abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place

> before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the

child

> gone missing.

>

> Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place?

>

> Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident

reinforce

> my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or

> anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such.

>

 

 

Sorry, I like to rephrase this sentence again :

 

..... this incident reinforce my faith in the Meru. All Meru's are

auspicious and should be treated as such, what more if it comes from

Devi temple. Its like DEVI's gift to the family.

[Guest guest]

Hello Devi Bhakta,

 

You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and

I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug

me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall

again.

 

Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that

 

WBABOTD

 

 

, " Devi Bhakta "

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Hello WBABOTD:

>

> For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were

> made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who

wished

> to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus

that

> had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event.

>

> All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As

> noted on the Devipuram web site:

>

> " The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this

event

> only is as follows:

>

> 1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru

> 2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru

>

> There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after

this

> event. "

>

> If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained

one of

> these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are

> complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results

> " promised " by Guruji.

>

> " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble.

> " And am wondering -- whatever happened???? "

>

> What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to

the

> shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in,

refund

> or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you

simply

> fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop?

>

> Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to

consider.

> Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday:

>

> " When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH

> 'miracles' happen. "

>

> Or read Nora's from a day earlier:

>

> " Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most

> important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete

> faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will

come

> your way. "

>

> You never know. Maybe they're on to something?

>

> DB

>

[Guest guest]

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Hello Devi Bhakta,

>

> You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road

and

> I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug

> me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to

fall

> again.

>

> Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that

>

> WBABOTD

 

 

This is what I call a case of a spoilt child. DEVI will only help

those who help themselves.

 

Today I brought my daughter for ice skating after such a long time.

As I sat there and watch her skate around the ring, I could reflect

back the first day she step into the ice skating ring. I was there

initially to teach her the first step, but subsequently I left her

on her own. I did this because I know if I continue to be there, she

will not be progressing on her own. She will be depending on me

always expecting me to hold her hand. So subsequently I would just

stand outside the ring and look at her. She fall look at me, and I

gesture her to " get up! " and try again. And she did. Again she fall

and she gets up on her own because she knows her mommy will not come

rushing for her anymore. And just look at her today : she is skating

on her own, full of confidence and grace. She is so proud of herself.

[Guest guest]

Reminds me of a story I heard/read when I was younger.

 

A man was attending a spiritual lecture. The holyman who was giving the

upanyasam said, " Brahmam is within every living being. Hurting the

other is the same as hurting self. Listen to the words of Brahmam from

within, etc etc. " These words were imprinted on the young man's mind.

 

One day he was walking in the woods. He saw an angry tiger in the

distance. Then he heard a cowherd who had climbed a high tree, after

seeing the tiger. The cowherd yelled, " The tiger is angry, run away. It

will hurt you. "

 

Well, our young man thought to himself, " I'm brahmam, the tiger is

brahmam. The tiger will not hurt me, because if it does, it is hurting

itelf. " He kept on walking towards the tiger, which eventually did what

angry tigers do.

 

He laid there dying, and the tiger had left. At that point, a crowd had

gathered, and the holyman who lectured about " Brahmam " was also there.

The young man looked at the holyman and asked, " You told me everything

is brahmam and brahmam must not hurt brahmam. Why did this happen? "

 

The holyman replied, " What you say about brahmam within each living

being is true. But, you did not obey the words of Brahmam. " The young

man was confused. The holyman replied, " There is Brahmam inside you and

the tiger. But there is also Brahmam inside the cowherd who advised you

to run away. You did not listen to Brahmam. "

 

So, while waiting for Devi to put you back on the bicycle to follow the

path......didn't SHE tell you not to ride the mountain bike on the dirt

path? Did someone tell you that the money sent must be for the mahameru

puja and not for the physical possession of the object?

 

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Hello Devi Bhakta,

>

> You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and

> I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug

> me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall

> again.

>

> Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that

>

> WBABOTD

[Guest guest]

This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I have no

affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya.

 

I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for people who

belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words probably are infallible-

or at least highly regarded. I dont to the teachings of PKS based

paramparas and for me personally, to suggest that a Meru without being

worshipped can give any spiritual effect goes against a lot of scriptural

teachings.

 

I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of devotion and a

symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming amount of variables make

any conclusion highly speculative and subjective (gotta consider the level of

devotion, strength of association and so forth).

 

To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a pile of

triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted something for goodluck I

would have gotten myself a statue of Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his

belly and think to myself how cute the little guy is.

 

Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the train station,

it probably also would have the same claim to fame; maybe it would have been

more effective as you wouldnt worry about the cost and since it has humanoid

form, you'd probably associate with it a lot better.

 

At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to become a symbol

of something we consider great. It requires protocol, as well as a specific form

of association. If you heard that just keeping a Meru and not doing proper

worship to it will give u unique results then what u heard is wrong.

 

Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas and his

previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not because of name or fame

but because of hard work. He has published a lot of interesting material on Shri

Vidya.

[Guest guest]

Dear Kartik:

 

The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is

misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main

thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale.

 

As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious

knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very

technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many

lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a

mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the

experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous

amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction.

 

What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him

controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more

simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would

traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system.

 

Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in

English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They

bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti

mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a

simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to

receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a

small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey.

 

A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will

find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even

bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are

not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says

essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you

should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in

inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium,

temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is

a step ...

 

Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have

" an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I

believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it,

NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one

begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles.

Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a

novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru

may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people

toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in

their life.

 

Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated

to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and

associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as

knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not

laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in

their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls

who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and

understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully

understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been

given for years, or lifetimes, to come.

 

~aim mAtangyai namaH~

 

 

, kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

> This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I

have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya.

>

> I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for

people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words

probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont

to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to

suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual

effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings.

>

> I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of

devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming

amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and

subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of

association and so forth).

>

> To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a

pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted

something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of

Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself

how cute the little guy is.

>

> Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the

train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame;

maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the

cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it

a lot better.

>

> At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to

become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol,

as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just

keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique

results then what u heard is wrong.

>

> Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas

and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not

because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a

lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Wanna_Be:

 

I am not mocking you; I do not even know you. I simply found the

contents of your post to be both patently absurd and disrespectful to

a great Guru and his teachings.

 

Rather than nursing imagined email wounds amd an oversized case of

" buyer's regret, " rather than whining about everything from pushy

salespeople to the mp3 format as obstacles to your sadhana -- it might

be more productive to concentrate on trying to realize the nature and

value of what Guruji tried to give you (as detailed at length in

another of your posts).

 

Challenge your habitual perceptions and viewpoints; try opening to the

experience on offer before you -- and then, perhaps, you'll find

yourself ready to drop the " wanna be " from your name and your attitude

.... and start actually being it.

 

~aim mAtangyai namaH~

 

 

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Hello Devi Bhakta,

>

> You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and

> I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug

> me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall

> again.

>

> Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that

>

> WBABOTD

>

>

> , " Devi Bhakta "

> <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello WBABOTD:

> >

> > For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were

> > made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who

> wished

> > to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus

> that

> > had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event.

> >

> > All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As

> > noted on the Devipuram web site:

> >

> > " The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this

> event

> > only is as follows:

> >

> > 1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru

> > 2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru

> >

> > There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after

> this

> > event. "

> >

> > If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained

> one of

> > these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are

> > complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results

> > " promised " by Guruji.

> >

> > " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble.

> > " And am wondering -- whatever happened???? "

> >

> > What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to

> the

> > shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in,

> refund

> > or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you

> simply

> > fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop?

> >

> > Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to

> consider.

> > Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday:

> >

> > " When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH

> > 'miracles' happen. "

> >

> > Or read Nora's from a day earlier:

> >

> > " Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most

> > important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete

> > faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will

> come

> > your way. "

> >

> > You never know. Maybe they're on to something?

> >

> > DB

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well yeah....someday we will get them in person yes?

 

 

On Behalf Of NMadasamy

Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:11 AM

 

Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus?

 

, " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> --- In

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

> <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus

> from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a

> steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch

burns

> away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does

> no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the

home.

> And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion,

> there remains no desire unfulfilled. "

> >

> I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am

wondering

> whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the

> meru

> and feel the same way?

>

>

> I like to share a story abt the Meru.

>

> About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja

during

> the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event :

from

> morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift.

I

> dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I

> told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come

in

> their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So

when

> we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my

> husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru

> comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I

just

> left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my

> husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to

> Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband

> was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching

> for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child

he

> normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can

> remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle

of

> the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the

> abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place

> before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the

child

> gone missing.

>

> Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place?

>

> Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident

reinforce

> my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or

> anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such.

>

 

 

Sorry, I like to rephrase this sentence again :

 

..... this incident reinforce my faith in the Meru. All Meru's are

auspicious and should be treated as such, what more if it comes from

Devi temple. Its like DEVI's gift to the family.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta

wrote:

 

> As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious

> knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very

> technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many

> lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a

> mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the

> experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous

> amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction.

 

 

I dispute this. But then maybe i am no one.

[Guest guest]

, " mahahradanatha "

<mahahradanatha wrote:

 

 

*** I dispute this. ***

 

Well, naturally! ;-)

 

*** But then maybe i am no one. ***

 

Anything's possible ...

[Guest guest]

I have seen a Sri Yantra work its way into someone's life and can say that

it will treat one as they treat it.

 

 

On Behalf Of Devi Bhakta

Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:40 PM

 

Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus?

 

Dear Kartik:

 

The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is

misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main

thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale.

 

As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious

knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very

technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many

lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a

mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the

experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous

amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction.

 

What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him

controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more

simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would

traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system.

 

Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in

English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They

bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti

mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a

simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to

receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a

small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey.

 

A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will

find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even

bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are

not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says

essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you

should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in

inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium,

temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is

a step ...

 

Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have

" an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I

believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it,

NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one

begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles.

Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a

novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru

may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people

toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in

their life.

 

Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated

to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and

associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as

knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not

laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in

their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls

who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and

understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully

understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been

given for years, or lifetimes, to come.

 

~aim mAtangyai namaH~

 

 

, kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

> This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I

have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya.

>

> I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for

people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words

probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont

to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to

suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual

effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings.

>

> I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of

devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming

amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and

subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of

association and so forth).

>

> To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a

pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted

something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of

Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself

how cute the little guy is.

>

> Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the

train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame;

maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the

cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it

a lot better.

>

> At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to

become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol,

as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just

keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique

results then what u heard is wrong.

>

> Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas

and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not

because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a

lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I do not think anyone is interested in hearing individual opinions on individual

gurus.

We need only discuss sadhana pls.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

Please read again what i dispute.

 

In my opinion, Sri Amritanandanath is no scholar or authority on tantra shastra.

If people do not see what I see, I will not be able to make them understand what

i mean.

 

I believe his revelations are not in accordance with the relevant shastras and

more " new age " in style and punctuation, but

this is only my personal opinion and I think I am entitled to a personal

opinion, even on a list inspired by his work.

 

[NOTE: Indeed it would seem so, Maha. Considering that the bulk of your posts

lately are dedicated to insulting and denigrating this list and its members,

it's not surprising that you're now taking pot shots at Sri Amritanananda and

his work (although I've edited out most of your more mean-spirited comments, so

if you feel like griping about that too, here's your evidence). I think it's

certainly fair to say that your " personal opinions " get more airplay and

tolerance here than they would on any other list you treated similarly. - DB]

 

I am not into politics or have an orthodox bias at all, everybody

who has followed my postings here over the years will hopefully know

that.

 

I believe that Devipuram is tending to become more and more an outlet for

spiritual merchandise of doubtful value. I do not come to a conclusion here and

I will watch that and i hope that my impression proves wrong. But the minute I

see that Devipuram will print Maha Meru T-shirts I will leave this list.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

, --- In

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> Dear mahahradanatha,

>

> You are welcome to your views on Guruji. I met him and spent

> considerable time with him and guruji amma as well as their three

> daughters. They all exude a quiet and powerful energy from years of

> sadhana. They are so approachable, so generous in their love,

> kindness, attention, knowledge... I have only good things to say

> about Guruji and Guruji amma and of course the Devi who has grabbed

> me from the stomach, ever since.

>

> Please keep Guruji and Guruji amma out of all politics. I am

> sure there are any number of people who dislike them because they

> have made loving the Devi so easy.

>

> , " mahahradanatha "

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Devi Bhakta "

> <devi_bhakta@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's

> prodigious

> > > knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them

> very

> > > technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many

> > > lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a

> > > mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the

> > > experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a

> tremendous

> > > amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction.

> >

> >

> > I dispute this. But then maybe i am no one.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast

with the Search weather shortcut.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmmmmmmm, strange.

 

Here you say about being initiated by Sri Amrithanandha. But, you

questioned his prasad!

 

My sincere advise is to leave the Mahameru alone.

 

It is typical to feel ecstasic after visiting a spiritually charged

place like a temple. But, if one has doubts on what they did while in

that place, then there is something more troublesome. Worshipping

Mahameru (or any yantra) might make it even worse.

 

The best option for you, in that case, will be to do the japa (of

diksha mantra) in a temple.

 

BTW no " good " devatha will specifically ask for food of any sorts. If

you get a " Feed " asking for food, stop doing whatever (japa, puja) you

are doing. Seek help.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Devi Bhakta

 

" The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is misunderstood

about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main thing is that all of

this has to be understood on a sliding scale. "

 

I dont understand Amritananda yet alone misunderstand him or his teachings. What

I do have is some concept of what he does and if I had to summarize his

teachings it would just be that the Highest manifestation of Lalita that one can

actualize is Love, independent of ahamkara, and the lahiri of vigyana and ananda

that comes out of this are the manifestations of Narayana and Shiva. I guess

this would be the only similarity between our two paramparas when it comes to

Goddess Lalita.

 

However, how we approach this is tremendously different. I didn't mean to

ridicule your sampradaya nor would I appreciate any from your part. What I had

written and what I am in the process of writing is free from any conscious

prejudice. It would be blatantly sinful of me to have any negative

thoughts/emotions or impressions of anyone who aspires towards Maa.

 

" As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious

knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very technical

and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many lifetimes of accumulated

wisdom and experience, including a mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime

alone. For the experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a

tremendous amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. "

 

I dont care about those things because they dont directly affect me. I

appreciate the fact that he has made Sri Vidya so accessible and is very candid

in his discussions of Sri Vidya. Sure there may be significant differences

between his teachings and other paramparas; incl mine, but that is the beauty of

it - He gives a totally different perspective to contemplate on. You can either

accept it or ignore it, I am in an ambivalent state with it [cherry pick].

 

 

" What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him controversial as

well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more simple, devotional aspects

of Srividya upasana with those who would traditionally be considered unqualified

to receive the full system. Thus you will find that he offers some simple

devotional prayers in English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what

for? They bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti

mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a simple

habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to receive more

sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a small, modest, initial

step on an infinite journey. "

 

I disagree, namasmarana is not small and simple. He is teaching something very

complicated, I think there is a difference between something that is complex and

something that is pompous. The dhyanas he teaches are not simple, anyone who

considers them to be simple are either deluded with their own filthy egos or are

paramhansa lol.

 

" A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will find. Rather

than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even bother; this is way too

complex for you; you are not ready; you are not initiated; you are not

qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is

not reason why you should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made

available in inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium,

temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is a step ...

 

" Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have " an

affiliation with Amritananda' s parampara/sampraday a " -- but I believe the Meru

stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it, NOT when one learns the full

Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one begins to *perceive* it as something more

than a pile of triangles.

 

" Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a novice

might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru may make you

" ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people toward learning to

create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in their life. "

 

EH MISTER, THIS IS WHAT I WAS HINTING AT. You have to a proper understanding of

what the Meru is a symbol of in order to associate with it and manifest bhakti

for Devi through it. As animals it is very difficult for us to associate with

abstract figures without first supplementing the association with some

organically derived information- far more simpler to just look at a picture of

devi or a murti and worship that. The bhakti comes automatically and need not be

conditioned- at least for people who have some concept of Hinduism. Not all

Hindus/Shaktas know what a Meru is, forget any association it has with Devi.

That is what I am saying, you need to supplement who Lalita is, why she is

worshipped in a Meru, what the Meru means, why it has the unique shape that it

does before one can fully accept it as being a symbol of Bhavani. Otherwise yes

it will be a pile of triangles!!!!

 

" Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated to some,

such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and associations " of

full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as knowledgeable and experienced (or

even more so, who knows?) do not laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all

that they have gained in their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to

those souls who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use

and understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully understand the

profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been given for years, or

lifetimes, to come. "

 

There is no such thing as simple devotion, there is devotion and then there is

superficiality. To gain true devotion for Devi you must have some concept of

relativity, Her relativity with you. If you consider her Maa then where does a

Meru fit in? Why worship a Meru, Why worship her Paduga? - this information

NEEDS to be there before one can complete the full associative system between

one's person and Bhavani.

 

I am not suggesting I know anything, I am not a mukta atma yet so imo I know

jack. But truly speaking I didnt like some of the stuff I had read in the

brochure for the Meru, this is why I was just a little cynical initially. It did

not automatically mean I disrespect or dislike Amritananda, obviously people

think differently and there are different calibres of people. Amritananda dared

to dream and he also successfully manifested his dreams of making Devipuram, we

can only ask ourselves if we have accomplished our own personal dreams and

ambitions- there is no ridiculing such a man, there is just manifestation of

inferiority complexes if one does. SO I am not ridiculing him, I am just

disagreeing with some of what I had read in this new website, we are entitled to

disagree, this is the source of flavour in any Parampara.

 

To Summarize without knowing anything about a Meru, without actually approaching

it in a proper way, it will be nothing but just moulded metal. Proper protocol

is only that which the Guru gives, following books is avidya. So for people in

Amritananda's parampara its fine what is says. I am just disagreeing as a person

NOT in his parampara and am just expressing my opinion that at least namasmarana

and stuti of Devi should be done and there should some concept of why Meru is

relevant in her worship. Be it if you are taught the Meru is a symbolical deha

of Devi, a medium to intercede for you to Devi, a vessel to store shakti or a

catalyst to amplify puja....whatever the Guru gives as explanation, it does not

matter... what matters is that there be relevant education.

 

The person who inititally wrote this was disastisfied, so I felt it would be

nice to give an alternate source of information- i.e. the original text which

itself stresses the importance of proper avarana.

 

Jaya Maa!

[Guest guest]

It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute on whether

Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away from shastras.

 

Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is adhering to shastras

when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was

abused for making Gita popular ...

 

Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical and spiritual

wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a particular community. The

layman chanting the name of God was was considered polluting the vedas.

 

The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as spurious and

flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi Herself.

 

Sarvan Khalvidamevaham

 

Nanyadasthi Sanathanam

 

Harishankar

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

I do not think anyone is interested in hearing individual opinions on

individual gurus.

We need only discuss sadhana pls.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

Please read again what i dispute.

 

In my opinion, Sri Amritanandanath is no scholar or authority on tantra shastra.

[Guest guest]

I think I got a lot from both Karthik's and Devi Bhakta's posts.

Just picking up from the respectful way they approached each other's

opinions, I am feeling the power of the Devi on my tongue. I feel

from now, on I need to be careful what I say and what I eat because

the devi is there. So thank you both.

 

The Mahameru is still in front of me and I have spruced up my whole

puja area with lots of pictures of Gods and Goddesses I bought in

India. My puja area feels so full and beautiful.

 

The Mahameru, well, suddenly I feel all the devi names I chant in

the Devi Khadgamala are actually residing in the meru. I have a

whole new respect for my Mahameru.

 

She still hasn't worked magic, but that is ok. For now I feel honored the Devi

has come to reside in my humble home.

 

 

, harishankar harishankar

<bsharishankar wrote:

>

> It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute

on whether Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away

from shastras.

>

> Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is

adhering to shastras when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the

layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was abused for making Gita popular ...

>

> Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical

and spiritual wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a

particular community. The layman chanting the name of God was was

considered polluting the vedas.

>

> The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as

spurious and flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi

Herself.

>

> Sarvan Khalvidamevaham

>

> Nanyadasthi Sanathanam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi DB & Kartik

You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments

appear endless logomachies.

 

I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a

hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who

came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple

diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra

roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati

comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family.

 

Merus and chakras do have their effect.

 

Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial

break.

JR

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Dear

Kartik:

 

The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is

misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main

thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale.

 

As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious

knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very

technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many

lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a

mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the

experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous

amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction.

 

What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him

controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more

simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would

traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system.

 

Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in

English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They

bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti

mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a

simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to

receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a

small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey.

 

A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will

find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even

bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are

not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says

essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you

should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in

inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium,

temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is

a step ...

 

Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have

" an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I

believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it,

NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one

begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles.

Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a

novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru

may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people

toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in

their life.

 

Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated

to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and

associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as

knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not

laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in

their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls

who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and

understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully

understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been

given for years, or lifetimes, to come.

 

~aim mAtangyai namaH~

 

, kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

> This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I

have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya.

>

> I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for

people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words

probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont

to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to

suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual

effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings.

>

> I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of

devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming

amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and

subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of

association and so forth).

>

> To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a

pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted

something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of

Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself

how cute the little guy is.

>

> Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the

train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame;

maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the

cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it

a lot better.

>

> At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to

become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol,

as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just

keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique

results then what u heard is wrong.

>

> Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas

and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not

because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a

lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi JR ...

 

No techno-savvy required -- I agree 100 percent.

 

In my opinion, to *ever* consider the Sri Meru or Sri Chakra merely a

" pile of triangles " is jaw-droppingly naive at best and utterly

self-defeating at worst.

 

Certainly, to laugh at the intrinsic power of the configuration harms

none but the person laughing ... and by " harm " I simply mean that,

through this sophistry, the laugher blocks him- or herself off from

this free-flowing goft of the Divine.

 

~aim mAtangyai namaH~

 

 

 

, Radhakrishnan J

<jayaarshree wrote:

>

> Hi DB & Kartik

> You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your

arguments appear endless logomachies.

>

> I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam

who is a hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra

etc., One german who came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for

measuring bio-energy. Simple diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy

chakras gave out energies and srichakra roughly sketched in pencil

gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati comes of an

accomplished Srividya-upasaka family.

>

> Merus and chakras do have their effect.

>

> Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a

commercial break.

> JR

[Guest guest]

I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various analytical techniques

used in the measure of energy. However, this it the first time I've head of

" bio-energy " . There is free energy, which is easily measured by calorimetry and

then there is radiation which obviously has its own specifics depending on the

type of radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain this, it seems

like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science I am used to.

The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to renewable forms of energy that

can be used for sustainable devlopment [i.e. cow manure, metabolic by products

of living organisms, even photosynthesis is an example of it] there is a generic

term and can be used very loosely and has no real merit in fundamental

scientific theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to get an

understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at best.

 

Merus and Chakras most definetly do have their own effect and the thing is you

are citing a source that actually does understand the significance of what a

Meru is.

 

And DB, I think once again you are ignoring what it is I am trying to express

and concentrating on just isolated statements. I have friends who consider

themselves to be devotees of Devi, they didnt know anything about Maha Vidyas-

Just Kali, Durga and Laxmi... Tara is basically calling it lucky.

You give them a Meru and they wouldnt know what it is- it is only after a proper

understanding how what is symbolises and how it connects you to Devi that it

becomes a vehicle to Bhavani in sadhana. Without Gyana, there can not be any

actualization of Bhakti towards Bhagawati via a Meru.

 

The extent of Gyana probably affects the state and intensity of Bhakti, I mean

just knowing that a Meru is a symbol of Bhagawati is the basic minimum for it to

be incorporated into Puja. I am not talking about high level principles like

mandala of Bhagamalini, MahaVajreshwari and Kameshwari I think. Those things are

progressive conditioning and Gyana but one has to start off with a basic

understanding that a Meru is indeed a symbol and to a degree a sthula

manifestation of Devi- only then can it be appreciated.

 

There is no meaning to a object unless we associate a meaning to it, same can be

said for shaligram which any other non vaishnava/hindu person might just

consider as ammonite fossils, or even narmadeshwara, which is simply a very

fancy wrong. We derive the meaning for these objects and it is that meaning

which is the source of empowerment. Without having that principle knowledge, the

object will have no perceivable power and will not be incorporated in one's

worship.

 

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree

 

Monday, 19 March, 2007 6:16:29 AM

Re: Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus?

 

 

Hi DB & Kartik

 

You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments

appear endless logomachies.

 

I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a

hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who

came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple

diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra

roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati

comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family.

 

Merus and chakras do have their effect.

 

Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial

break.

 

JR

[Guest guest]

Hi Kartik

I told you mine was a commercial break.. just sit back and enjoy it.

 

I like your posts so continue your arguments.

 

JR

 

kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote:

I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various analytical

techniques used in the measure of energy. However, this it the first time I've

head of " bio-energy " . There is free energy, which is easily measured by

calorimetry and then there is radiation which obviously has its own specifics

depending on the type of radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain

this, it seems like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science

I am used to. The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to renewable forms

of energy that can be used for sustainable devlopment [i.e. cow manure,

metabolic by products of living organisms, even photosynthesis is an example of

it] there is a generic term and can be used very loosely and has no real merit

in fundamental scientific theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to

get an understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at

best.

 

Merus and Chakras most definetly do have their own effect and the thing is you

are citing a source that actually does understand the significance of what a

Meru is.

 

And DB, I think once again you are ignoring what it is I am trying to express

and concentrating on just isolated statements. I have friends who consider

themselves to be devotees of Devi, they didnt know anything about Maha Vidyas-

Just Kali, Durga and Laxmi... Tara is basically calling it lucky.

You give them a Meru and they wouldnt know what it is- it is only after a

proper understanding how what is symbolises and how it connects you to Devi that

it becomes a vehicle to Bhavani in sadhana. Without Gyana, there can not be any

actualization of Bhakti towards Bhagawati via a Meru.

 

The extent of Gyana probably affects the state and intensity of Bhakti, I mean

just knowing that a Meru is a symbol of Bhagawati is the basic minimum for it to

be incorporated into Puja. I am not talking about high level principles like

mandala of Bhagamalini, MahaVajreshwari and Kameshwari I think. Those things are

progressive conditioning and Gyana but one has to start off with a basic

understanding that a Meru is indeed a symbol and to a degree a sthula

manifestation of Devi- only then can it be appreciated.

 

There is no meaning to a object unless we associate a meaning to it, same can

be said for shaligram which any other non vaishnava/hindu person might just

consider as ammonite fossils, or even narmadeshwara, which is simply a very

fancy wrong. We derive the meaning for these objects and it is that meaning

which is the source of empowerment. Without having that principle knowledge, the

object will have no perceivable power and will not be incorporated in one's

worship.

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree

Monday, 19 March, 2007 6:16:29 AM

Re: Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus?

 

Hi DB & Kartik

 

You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments

appear endless logomachies.

 

I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a

hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who

came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple

diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra

roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati

comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family.

 

Merus and chakras do have their effect.

 

Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial

break.

 

JR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

 

 

[Guest guest]

This sequence of posts is, in my judgement, a beautiful example of what can

happen when

a person speaks his/her own truth and maintains an open mind to hearing the

truths of

others. Wanna_Be_Bhakta_of_the_Devi was feeling doubt and disappointment about

her

decision to purchase this meru. She spoke honestly about her feelings and

judgements in

this group. I applaud her willingness to say something potentially unpopular.

Even more,

I applaud her willingness to reevaluate her judgements after getting input from

others.

This is how spiritual growth happens, isn't it?

 

Some members, it seems to me, interpreted her initial comments as an attack on

the

reputation of Guru Amritananda Natha, and got defensive. When I get " triggered "

by

someone else, I try to look at what my reaction tells me about myself and my own

insecurities.

 

Speaking of which, I was triggered by certain comments to the effect that " you

have to

have 100% faith, you have to believe, " in order to get results from sadhana. I

think my

reaction stems from periods where I've felt doubts about the efficacy of my

practice, or felt

alienated from Devi, and have berated myself for just not having enough faith --

this

never helps me. What does help me is to talk to Her honestly about what's going

on within

me. Also, I'm mistrustful of any religious tradition that encourages adherents

to suppress

doubts and critical thoughts. As Guru Amritananda himself writes (in a somewhat

different context), " If you say killing a person is bad, then I say killing a

person's mind is

also bad. "

 

 

 

, " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi "

<wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote:

>

> I think I got a lot from both Karthik's and Devi Bhakta's posts.

> Just picking up from the respectful way they approached each other's

> opinions, I am feeling the power of the Devi on my tongue. I feel

> from now, on I need to be careful what I say and what I eat because

> the devi is there. So thank you both.

>

> The Mahameru is still in front of me and I have spruced up my whole

> puja area with lots of pictures of Gods and Goddesses I bought in

> India. My puja area feels so full and beautiful.

>

> The Mahameru, well, suddenly I feel all the devi names I chant in

> the Devi Khadgamala are actually residing in the meru. I have a

> whole new respect for my Mahameru.

>

> She still hasn't worked magic, but that is ok. For now I feel honored the Devi

has come

to reside in my humble home.

>

>

> , harishankar harishankar

> <bsharishankar@> wrote:

> >

> > It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute

> on whether Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away

> from shastras.

> >

> > Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is

> adhering to shastras when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the

> layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was abused for making Gita popular ...

> >

> > Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical

> and spiritual wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a

> particular community. The layman chanting the name of God was was

> considered polluting the vedas.

> >

> > The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as

> spurious and flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi

> Herself.

> >

> > Sarvan Khalvidamevaham

> >

> > Nanyadasthi Sanathanam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

May be this is the " bio-energy " as it was refered to.

 

http://www.transcendencedesign.com/cgi-

bin/shop.pl/SID=1162144552.9436/page=yantra_meru_chakra.html

 

Here is another scientific article (peer reviewed). I do not know

much about the standard of the journal though.

 

http://www.selfreferral.com/sriyantra/References/Kulaichev%

20control.pdf

 

, Radhakrishnan J

<jayaarshree wrote:

>

> Hi Kartik

> I told you mine was a commercial break.. just sit back and enjoy it.

>

> I like your posts so continue your arguments.

>

> JR

>

> kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

> I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various

analytical techniques used in the measure of energy. However, this it

the first time I've head of " bio-energy " . There is free energy,

which is easily measured by calorimetry and then there is radiation

which obviously has its own specifics depending on the type of

radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain this, it seems

like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science I

am used to. The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to

renewable forms of energy that can be used for sustainable devlopment

[i.e. cow manure, metabolic by products of living organisms, even

photosynthesis is an example of it] there is a generic term and can

be used very loosely and has no real merit in fundamental scientific

theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to get an

understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at

best.