Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 SrimAtre namaH You admit that a) you are not an expert and b) you have limited experience - yet you assert with so much confidence :-)) 1) You say " few have the capacity *as she should be worshipped* " - is there only one way! And will a mother ignore a sincere praise or offering from her child. Even a mother of this world gets excited will go gaga when her little child just learning to speak call her out with love - even by any name. Here you are taking about avyAja karuNa muuRtiH (992). There are so many references to her boundless compassion. Any one who desires to worship her has the capacity to worship. 2) " all and sundry " - all are her children! - with a little bit of training and proper guidance almost anyone can be made eligible. Even according to the text itself it is open for all varNa-s, all ashraama-s and both genders. It has much broader scope than even other vaidIka karma-s. She is also called abaalagopaviditaa (994). Thanks. Ravi Pb Krishnamurthy wrote: > Namasthe All > I am not an expert on these topics. > But from my limited experience I say with confidence Sri Vidya is not for all and sundry but only for a selected few who have the capacity to worship her as she should be worshipped > Om Shri Mathre Namah > PBK > > --- On Wed, 6/24/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote: > > > rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha > Re: Re: meru > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 8:44 AM > > > Dear Shri Shankaranarayanji > > No one except the Guru can judge whether a person has attained " moksha " . Actually, the? question should be; is mokhsa something, or some state of mind which can be attained?? > > It is not my contention that you provoke or insist everyone to follow ShriVidya. Although it would have been? a happier world if every one had the capability to follow ShriVidya. > > Your statement that Shri Vidya is for the masses, is what struck me as incorrect. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Ravi, What you say is true, about anyone desirous of worshiping Her can worship Her.?There is no doubt here.??Each person can worship Her as per his / her capacity.? But in the case of Shri Vidya, where there are specific mantras and japa, and dos and donts,?etc etc. training and guidance is essential.? You have yourself mentioned that with proper guidance and training a lay person can be made capable.? But the lay person in the first place must have?inclination and capacity to be trained..? Shri Vidya?in its fullest sense needs a very high degree of " adhikaritvam " on the part of the student. How many can claim to have this?high degree?capacity?? You cant?give out mantras of this?type to any tom dick and harry at the drop of a hat.? ??Just as you need to pass several standards in school to reach the??graduation level , so also, ??a student needs to pass through various levels of sadhana to attain to a level where Shri Vidya is easily imbibed.? So, training and guidance is essential through a competant Guru, and also very important is the competance,? capacity?and seriousness of the? student.? ? Just? a?simple mode of? worship?needs a little training.?But Shri Vidya is not that simple and just simple training and guidance will not help. With prayers to the Lotus Feet of the Mother,?that She may?enlighten us. Regards? Rohit? ________________________________ MSR <abhayambika Thursday, 25 June, 2009 4:34:38 AM Re: Re: meru SrimAtre namaH You admit that a) you are not an expert and b) you have limited experience - yet you assert with so much confidence :-)) 1) You say " few have the capacity *as she should be worshipped* " - is there only one way! And will a mother ignore a sincere praise or offering from her child. Even a mother of this world gets excited will go gaga when her little child just learning to speak call her out with love - even by any name. Here you are taking about avyAja karuNa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Ravi Thanks for your mesg. So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go ahead or not. SHE anyway will not mind. srI harI Gopi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 To which sampradaya you belong? There are different ways of pAtrAsAdhana depending upon the achara of guru parampara. Without consulting the guru, what is the procedure of visesha arghya, sAmAna arghya, bindu tarpana, types of patra prayoga. Any mistake in pAtra sadhana, would incur the wrath of yoginis. I don't understand why people take chances in tantra prayoga. Dear gopi, this is my last post to you, as a friend & well wisher. Though mother is avyaja karunamurti, she can be appeased with some other means like stotra of saundaryalahari but no games with merus and srividya tantra. all the best to you... , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: > > Dear Ravi > > Thanks for your mesg. > > So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go ahead or not. SHE anyway will not mind. > > srI harI > Gopi > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Hello Mr Gopi, Nothing Doing Navavaranapuja with out Guru's go head. You can go head provided if you have mantra siddhi (That you can only know or your guru can know), that everything depends your go head on risk or mother's grace. How can one? attempt to do navarana puja without guur's concenrn. if some guru does not permitting to go head mean s, you have not reached that state . ? with regards Kameswara --- On Thu, 25/6/09, Gopi <antarurjas wrote: Gopi <antarurjas Re: Re: meru Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 11:09 AM Dear Ravi ? Thanks for your mesg. ? So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go ahead or not. SHE anyway will not mind. ? srI harI Gopi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here in the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja. This is what I have understood from most of the other postings: 1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for that. 2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.) 3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want. The authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " . These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not. I am not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer from the often read comments in this forum. What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be critical is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that. Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram? srI harI Gopi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear gopi, This is not anger but anguish. You belong to the parampara of brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal of chandavolu. Please donot forget this!! You parama guru shri dendukuri Mallikarjuna Somayaji, who is known to me, is the disciple of Shri Sastrigal of Chandavolu. please donot forget this!! Having been comming from such sampradaya, how can you take the sastra in your hands and twist it as per your own convenience? Sri sastrigal of chandavolu, an epitome of srividya sampradaya and anushtana, was verily the parabhattarika himself. It is my sincere request that please live upto his expectations!!! That's it. regs, sriram , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: > > Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here in the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja. > > This is what I have understood from most of the other postings: > 1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for that. > 2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.) > 3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want. The authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " . > > These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not. I am not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer from the often read comments in this forum. > > What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be critical is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that. > > Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram? > > srI harI > Gopi > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Sriram You have taken the names of such guru's. It is in their grace that even the little that I know about the navAvarNa pooja is possible. I had written to your personal mail, but thot will atleast place this in the forum. Dear all, while every guru paramparA has been saying about the dos and donts of srividyA upAsana and the pooja to meru, it was my anguish and intrigue in trying to understand that extreme variations from the sampradAya were " allowed to happen " in various names. Some very senior members of this forum, who in the past had talked of strict adherance to the sampradAya, have been making comments in the recent past of " its ok to do this/ that etc. " My expression of " ok let me start the navAvarNA " was an expression on this anguish. Looks like following sampradhAya including its restrictions ( as compared to, " I feel it is ok. I expereince it in me to do it differently and I think that is proper " ), is actually a choice of a sAdhakA, than a requirement. sampradayeshwaryai namaha gurumaNdala rUpiNyai namaha srI harI Gopi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Shri Gopi, Shriram's anguish is shared by me also.? Even if he is a loner in this group, he speaks what is mentioned in the shastra and?one should strive not to cross the word of the shastra. Ones own experience can be resorted to only if the shastra is silent on a particular topic. Even then the pramana in this case will be the words and actions of eminent persons before ones own experience.? By all means?worship the Mother in the way and means comfortable to you.??Just any simple form of puja is ok?, but?not for the ShriChakra.? Going by your Guruparampara, you should be the first to uphold its?sanctity.?? Regards Rohit ________________________________ sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Thursday, 25 June, 2009 4:30:53 PM Re: meru Dear gopi, This is not anger but anguish. You belong to the parampara of brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal of chandavolu. Please donot forget this!! You parama guru shri dendukuri Mallikarjuna Somayaji, who is known to me, is the disciple of Shri Sastrigal of Chandavolu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 my 2 cents after going through the articles on meru.... If some one says that we have a shortcut route from chennai central to airport through a swarangam which does not take more than 45 minutes, though that route is never used from years and many warned that there are dangerous creatures in the route like snakes, scorpions poisonous spiders etc..do we opt that route..ofcourse everyone prefers the best and safest route to the destination. may b we prefer to go by taxi,bus or local train even if its time consuming as it is safest by all means. likewise..srividya upasana or meru chakra puja without proper guru's guidance and utmost care is same like going thru the swarangam path without any torch(guru guidance). Instead lets go thru satvik/ safest aradhana like sandhya vandanam(gayatri japam/mantrAnushthAnam) , lalita sahasranamam, trisathi..kadgamala parayana everyday. these are very much equivalent to srividya/meru puja., Jayostu lalite Gopala K Talluri When you are DOWN to nothing.... Mother is UP to something! Faith sees the invisible, believes the incredible and receives the impossible! Thank Mother for our physical AND our spiritual nourishment. --- On Thu, 25/6/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote: rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha Re: Re: meru Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 1:12 PM Dear Shri Gopi, Shriram's anguish is shared by me also.? Even if he is a loner in this group, he speaks what is mentioned in the shastra and?one should strive not to cross the word of the shastra. Ones own experience can be resorted to only if the shastra is silent on a particular topic. Even then the pramana in this case will be the words and actions of eminent persons before ones own experience.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 namaste Gopi, It is quite unfair to the whole group by such a broad brush. There are over 700+ members and only a handful of us write often. There are many many silent members. Even if you go by frequency, in the last few months it was Satish and Sriram posted often - my understanding based on their posts is they both stand by orthopraxy. Our goal is state to the requirements based on texts and leave it at that. We do not want to judge or criticize if someone is not following it. For example, see the FAQ in files area on lalitaa sahasranaama and trishatii. If you and Sriram have dynamics outside the list - it would be nice if you both can keep it outside. There is no reason for getting personal on publicly archived forum such as this. SrimAtre namaH With best wishes, Ravi Gopi wrote: > Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here in the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja. > > This is what I have understood from most of the other postings: > 1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for that. > 2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.) > 3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want. The authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " . > > These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not. I am not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer from the often read comments in this forum. > > What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be critical is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that. > > Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram? > > srI harI > Gopi > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 1, 2009 namasthe Ravi, I understand your point. I was only basing my responses on the comments received in the forum. You probably want me to understand the " para " and " pashyanthi " parts of the forum or the intent of the comments made by the members, instead of the reacting to the stated " vaikari " aspects. Will try doing this in future. I did write to Sriram explaining why I was saying what I was saying, as I really didnt want to prolong the angle that the discussion was taking, but also re-wrote the same mesg to the forum. Sure, will continue to keep personal discussions out of the forum. Thanks for the mesg. sri hari Gopi ________________________________ MSR <abhayambika Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 2:47:44 Re: Re: meru namaste Gopi, It is quite unfair to the whole group by such a broad brush. There are over 700+ members and only a handful of us write often. There are many many silent members. Even if you go by frequency, in the last few months it was Satish and Sriram posted often - my understanding based on their posts is they both stand by orthopraxy. Our goal is state to the requirements based on texts and leave it at that. We do not want to judge or criticize if someone is not following it. For example, see the FAQ in files area on lalitaa sahasranaama and trishatii. If you and Sriram have dynamics outside the list - it would be nice if you both can keep it outside. There is no reason for getting personal on publicly archived forum such as this. SrimAtre namaH With best wishes, Ravi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
