Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2008 DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. what is the method of sanyas. what is danda tarpan. what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM OTHER SANYASI. WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS. GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. REGARDS, SRIVIDYANAND NATH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2008 shrI gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear shrI Pradeep: There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram) aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron etc. Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the Atma VichAram discipline SannyAsIs. I would request you to absorb the contents of this book, and examine to yourself why you want to become a sannyAsI. Is it for selfless sacrifice to help others ? or is it just a desire to exchange your current existence for another one ? As far as the actual wearing of Saffron clothes and carrying Danda, Kamandala and skin of tiger or deer, I think you have to actually receive that from another SannyAsI. Thanks. Regards. KR. shri mAtre namaH - PRADEEP Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:15 AM DAND SANYAS DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. what is the method of sanyas. what is danda tarpan. what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM OTHER SANYASI. WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS. GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. REGARDS, SRIVIDYANAND NATH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2008 Dear pradeep, Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari, joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa Tattva everyday. As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till they get the new danda. Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order. Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas, their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00 AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi, Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO DEVATAS. So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja, he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this wonderful acharya. Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like this, it would run in pages. Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA MANTRAS. ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS AND REALISED YATIS. Hope your doubt is cleared. With regards, sriram , " PRADEEP " <srividyanand wrote: > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > what is the method of sanyas. > what is danda tarpan. > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM > OTHER SANYASI. > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS. > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > REGARDS, > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2008 Satarudriya? The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the vedas regards Vishwam sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear pradeep, Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari, joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa Tattva everyday. As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till they get the new danda. Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order. Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas, their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00 AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi, Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO DEVATAS. So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja, he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this wonderful acharya. Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like this, it would run in pages. Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA MANTRAS. ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS AND REALISED YATIS. Hope your doubt is cleared. With regards, sriram @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> wrote: > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > what is the method of sanyas. > what is danda tarpan. > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM > OTHER SANYASI. > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS. > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > REGARDS, > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Dear Kumar-ji, By Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi, do you mean Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi or Kanchi Paramacharyal? AFAIK, there exists a commentary written by the Sringeri Jagadguru on Viveka Chudamani. Sudarshan Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: shrI gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear shrI Pradeep: There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram) aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron etc. Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the Atma VichAram discipline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Dear Sriram-ji, >>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<< I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not neem leaves. Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri Jnanananda Bharathi), says the same thing. Sudarshan Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Dear sudarshan, He maintained thd diet of bitter gourd. Even that too he left and took only handful of neem leaves. Couple of his close disciples who were in Hyderabad told me. One is Shri Mimamsakesari Vireshwara Krishna Dongre who studied mimamsa under the swamigal and other is Shri Gopalakrishna Sastrigal. regs, sriram , sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian wrote: > > Dear Sriram-ji, > > >>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<< > > I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not neem leaves. Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri Jnanananda Bharathi), says the same thing. > > Sudarshan > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 sorry for the typo error. These 2 persons studied under chandrasekhara bharati swamigal. regs, sriram , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear sudarshan, > > He maintained thd diet of bitter gourd. Even that too he left and > took only handful of neem leaves. Couple of his close disciples who > were in Hyderabad told me. One is Shri Mimamsakesari Vireshwara > Krishna Dongre who studied mimamsa under the swamigal and other is > Shri Gopalakrishna Sastrigal. > > regs, > sriram > > , sudarshan balasubramanian > <sudarshanbalasubramanian@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sriram-ji, > > > > >>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<< > > > > I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not > neem leaves. Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri > Jnanananda Bharathi), says the same thing. > > > > Sudarshan > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Sanyasis are entitled to chant Gayathry Mahamantra despite the absence of yagnopavitram. ( From talks of HH Paramarthananda on Sandyopasana) regards Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " --- On Tue, 9/30/08, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy Re: Re: DAND SANYAS Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:12 AM Satarudriya? The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the vedas regards Vishwam sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com> @ .com Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear pradeep, Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari, joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa Tattva everyday. As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till they get the new danda. Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order. Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas, their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00 AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi, Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO DEVATAS. So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja, he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this wonderful acharya. Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like this, it would run in pages. Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA MANTRAS. ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS AND REALISED YATIS. Hope your doubt is cleared. With regards, sriram @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> wrote: > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > what is the method of sanyas. > what is danda tarpan. > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM > OTHER SANYASI. > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS. > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > REGARDS, > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Dear vishwam, Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati dharma hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot follow this rudra patha. MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA. with regards, sriram , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: > > > Satarudriya? > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the vedas > > regards > Vishwam > > > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM > Re: DAND SANYAS > > > Dear pradeep, > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari, > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa > Tattva everyday. > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till > they get the new danda. > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order. > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas, > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00 > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi, > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO > DEVATAS. > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja, > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this > wonderful acharya. > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like > this, it would run in pages. > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA > MANTRAS. > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS > AND REALISED YATIS. > > Hope your doubt is cleared. > > With regards, > sriram > > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> wrote: > > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > > what is the method of sanyas. > > what is danda tarpan. > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT > FROM > > OTHER SANYASI. > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY > KNOWS. > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > > > REGARDS, > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Sri gurubhyo namaha. Namaste Sriramji ''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA. '' When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when speaking of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become arbitary? Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or participate in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other than a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)? regards, G.K.Iyer , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear vishwam, > > Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his > nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati dharma > hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot > follow this rudra patha. > > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI > ANUSHTANA. > > with regards, > sriram > > > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy > <krishvishy@> wrote: > > > > > > Satarudriya? > > > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam > of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam > > > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the > vedas > > > > regards > > Vishwam > > > > > > > > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@> > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM > > Re: DAND SANYAS > > > > > > Dear pradeep, > > > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas > > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book > > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . > > > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared > > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri > > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi > > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana > > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, > sikha > > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come > > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha > > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the > > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. > > > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari, > > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham > > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of > > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of > > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat > > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad > > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya > > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa > > Tattva everyday. > > > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied > > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana > > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of > > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis > > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till > > they get the new danda. > > > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not > > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis > > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI > ORDER > > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are > > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa > > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order. > > > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, > > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. > > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and > > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, > > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than > > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of > > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and > > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these > anushtanas, > > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00 > > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya > > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham > > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya > > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga > > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They > also > > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. > > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi, > > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup > mantra > > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. > > > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF > > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA > > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW > > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY > > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO > > DEVATAS. > > > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas > > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the > > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily > > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. > > > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the > > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. > > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer > > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that > > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's > prarabdha > > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra > Puja, > > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to > > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake > > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he > used > > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this > > wonderful acharya. > > > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell > like > > this, it would run in pages. > > > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY > > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE > > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS > > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY > > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF > > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA > > MANTRAS. > > > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA- HAMSAS > > AND REALISED YATIS. > > > > Hope your doubt is cleared. > > > > With regards, > > sriram > > > > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > > > what is the method of sanyas. > > > what is danda tarpan. > > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT > > FROM > > > OTHER SANYASI. > > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY > > KNOWS. > > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear Shri Sudarshan: It was shri Chandrashekhara Bharati of Shringeri. Thanks for pointing it out. shri mAtre namaH - sudarshan balasubramanian Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:47 PM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear Kumar-ji, By Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi, do you mean Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi or Kanchi Paramacharyal? AFAIK, there exists a commentary written by the Sringeri Jagadguru on Viveka Chudamani. Sudarshan Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: shrI gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear shrI Pradeep: There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram) aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron etc. Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the Atma VichAram discipline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Friends: I am sure there is more to this. On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI principles, wherein there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this). Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed namaskAram to a chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ? I am sure you all know of that story. Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth in various forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in each person and act accordingly ? Thanks and Regards. KR shri mAtre namaH - sriram Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM Re: DAND SANYAS MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Namasthe. The answer is from DM itself , whici says, Devi if SHE wishes can delude even Gynanies Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: Kumar Ramachandran <kramach Re: Re: DAND SANYAS Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:28 PM shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Friends: I am sure there is more to this. On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI principles, wherein there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this). Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed namaskAram to a chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ? I am sure you all know of that story. Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth in various forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in each person and act accordingly ? Thanks and Regards. KR shri mAtre namaH - sriram @ .com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM Re: DAND SANYAS MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA. .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Dear kumar, Namaste. I would like to mention an incident which happened in my gurunatha's life. A very popular swamiji of Andhra (name is withheld to not to hurt the sentiments of some people) is a non-brahmin. He studied vedanta sutras and ramayana from certain guru. He came to Tenali town of Guntur district. My gurunatha alongwith some of the saha sishyas were camping in the house of Brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal. This swamiji has to give discourse in Bhagavati gita in Tenali that evening. During the evening, some of the disciples went to hear the discourse this swamiji. My gurunatha stayed back as he had the panchayatana and sriyantra puja. One gurunatha's friend attend the discourse. After returning back late in night, Shri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal came to know that his disciples went to listen to the discourse of non-dwija yati's gita. Immediately, he shouted at his disciples and scolded them saying that dharma sastra prohibits such act. Saying so, immediately he arranged for prayaschita kanda. Fasted the whole night, next morning, called his disciples and chanted prayaschita mantras. Asked everyone to chant 1000 gayatris and took the promise from these disciples of never to attend the discourses given by non-dwijas. The same was also told to me by my gurunatha who was present there alongwith Shri Chandolu Sastrigal who was the walking god as proclaimed by none other than Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. With regards, sriram , " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > > shri gurubhyo namaH > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > Friends: > > I am sure there is more to this. > > On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI principles, wherein there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this). > > Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed namaskAram to a chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ? > > I am sure you all know of that story. > > Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth in various forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in each person and act accordingly ? > > Thanks and Regards. > KR > > shri mAtre namaH > > > - > sriram > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM > Re: DAND SANYAS > > > > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA. > > . > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Dear mr. iyer, Namaste. Adi sankara drank poison. Will you? These prayaschitas are not for yogis and self-realised saints. It is for us. A non-dwija has the adhikara of veda abhyasa and NOT ADHYAYANA. He has the authority to preach but when an upasaka who is performing the gayatri upasana, the effect is disastrous (as told by Mahaperiyaval). He has to undergo prayaschita kanda as ordained by Mahaperiyaval. There are some mantras which he has to chant (they are with me) and do gayatri japa with fasting. with regards, sriram , " manalianamika " <manalianamika wrote: > > Sri gurubhyo namaha. > > Namaste Sriramji > > ''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI > ANUSHTANA. '' > > When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when speaking > of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not > indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become > arbitary? > Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or participate > in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other than > a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)? > > regards, > > G.K.Iyer > > , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi@> > wrote: > > > > Dear vishwam, > > > > Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his > > nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati > dharma > > hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot > > follow this rudra patha. > > > > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE > > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE > > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI > > ANUSHTANA. > > > > with regards, > > sriram > > > > > > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy > > <krishvishy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Satarudriya? > > > > > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after > tyagam > > of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam > > > > > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant > the > > vedas > > > > > > regards > > > Vishwam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM > > > Re: DAND SANYAS > > > > > > > > > Dear pradeep, > > > > > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking > sanyas > > > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book > > > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . > > > > > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when > compared > > > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform > Gayatri > > > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the > nadi > > > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, > aghamarshana > > > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, > > sikha > > > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to > come > > > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha > > > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the > > > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. > > > > > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, > badari, > > > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham > > > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of > > > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa > of > > > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat > > > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya > Upanishad > > > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana > Traya > > > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa > > > Tattva everyday. > > > > > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and > tied > > > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and > anushtana > > > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana > of > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the > Yatis > > > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till > > > they get the new danda. > > > > > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not > > > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta > vrittis > > > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI > > ORDER > > > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles > are > > > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa > > > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami > Order. > > > > > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita, > > > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. > > > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration > and > > > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata, > > > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than > > > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa > of > > > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and > > > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these > > anushtanas, > > > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at > 4:00 > > > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and > mahavakya > > > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham > > > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya > > > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga > > > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They > > also > > > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. > > > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, > Panchadasi, > > > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup > > mantra > > > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. > > > > > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF > > > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA > > > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS > FOLLOW > > > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY > > > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE > TWO > > > DEVATAS. > > > > > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas > > > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the > > > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily > > > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. > > > > > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having > the > > > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities. > > > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to > suffer > > > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure > that > > > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's > > prarabdha > > > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra > > Puja, > > > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used > to > > > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to > shake > > > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he > > used > > > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this > > > wonderful acharya. > > > > > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell > > like > > > this, it would run in pages. > > > > > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY > > > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE > THESE > > > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS > > > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE > ANY > > > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF > > > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA > > > MANTRAS. > > > > > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA- > HAMSAS > > > AND REALISED YATIS. > > > > > > Hope your doubt is cleared. > > > > > > With regards, > > > sriram > > > > > > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > > > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > > > > what is the method of sanyas. > > > > what is danda tarpan. > > > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > > > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE > DIFFRENT > > > FROM > > > > OTHER SANYASI. > > > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > > > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > > > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > > > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY > BODY > > > KNOWS. > > > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > > > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > > > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Sadguru pAdhukA jayathI. Namaste Sriramji, I see you have singled me out for the triade!But still : Adi sankara drank poison. Will you? I have never claimed to be adi shankara or his equal or anything like that!You're question seems quite pointless, if you take the time to read my question again. I only mentioned that adi shankara observed that even a chandala when speaking of the brahma tattva becomes brahmin.In the same vein as you mention many observations and statements of maha periyaval and your guru etc. If every person wanting to follow the words of the acharya had to drink poison what is there to be proved by it?When you quote adi shankara for saying something is there anything served by me or anyone else asking you if you drank poison or composed the soundaryalalahiri? If the dharma sastras prohibit such an act I assume there must be a reason and I really wanted to know why such an injunction is in place to reconcile that to myself.Failing to provide any sort of reason you mention that such prayachittas are not for yogis and realised souls.All I wanted to know was why my sastras prohibit me from listening to the bashyas etc of non brahmin saints.I reiterate again I have no illusions of being adi shankara or a yogi.I am just a particle of dust at the feet of my guru whose upasana makes the soul cry out to unshakle limitations and reductions of the supreme and rise to a place to be able to see the same devi in everything and everybody. Perhaps some day the grace of my guru will reveal to me the reason behind it. Or perhaps someday I will drink poison and the grace of my Devi,the medicine even to Rudra, will stop it at my throat!Who knows? With regards, om maitryAdhi vAsanA labhyAyai namaha. , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear mr. iyer, > > Namaste. Adi sankara drank poison. Will you? > > These prayaschitas are not for yogis and self-realised saints. It is > for us. A non-dwija has the adhikara of veda abhyasa and NOT > ADHYAYANA. He has the authority to preach but when an upasaka who is > performing the gayatri upasana, the effect is disastrous (as told by > Mahaperiyaval). He has to undergo prayaschita kanda as ordained by > Mahaperiyaval. There are some mantras which he has to chant (they are > with me) and do gayatri japa with fasting. > > with regards, > sriram > > > > , " manalianamika " <manalianamika@> > wrote: > > > > Sri gurubhyo namaha. > > > > Namaste Sriramji > > > > ''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE > > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE > > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI > > ANUSHTANA. '' > > > > When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when > speaking > > of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not > > indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become > > arbitary? > > Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or > participate > > in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other than > > a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)? > > > > regards, > > > > G.K.Iyer > > > > , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear vishwam, > > > > > > Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his > > > nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati > > dharma > > > hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot > > > follow this rudra patha. > > > > > > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA > > > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE > > > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE > > > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI > > > ANUSHTANA. > > > > > > with regards, > > > sriram > > > > > > > > > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy > > > <krishvishy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Satarudriya? > > > > > > > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after > > tyagam > > > of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam > > > > > > > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant > > the > > > vedas > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Vishwam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM > > > > Re: DAND SANYAS > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear pradeep, > > > > > > > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking > > sanyas > > > > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book > > > > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " . > > > > > > > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when > > compared > > > > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform > > Gayatri > > > > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the > > nadi > > > > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, > > aghamarshana > > > > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, > > > sikha > > > > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to > > come > > > > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha > > > > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the > > > > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given. > > > > > > > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, > > badari, > > > > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham > > > > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of > > > > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa > > of > > > > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat > > > > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya > > Upanishad > > > > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana > > Traya > > > > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the > Hamsa > > > > Tattva everyday. > > > > > > > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and > > tied > > > > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and > > anushtana > > > > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the > bhavana > > of > > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the > > Yatis > > > > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana > till > > > > they get the new danda. > > > > > > > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need > not > > > > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta > > vrittis > > > > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI > > > ORDER > > > > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles > > are > > > > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The > sanyasa > > > > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami > > Order. > > > > > > > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the > pita, > > > > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order. > > > > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration > > and > > > > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita > Devata, > > > > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than > > > > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of > japa > > of > > > > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and > > > > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these > > > anushtanas, > > > > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at > > 4:00 > > > > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and > > mahavakya > > > > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham > > > > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya > > > > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga > > > > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They > > > also > > > > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa. > > > > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, > > Panchadasi, > > > > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup > > > mantra > > > > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas. > > > > > > > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF > > > > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA > > > > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS > > FOLLOW > > > > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY > > > > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE > > TWO > > > > DEVATAS. > > > > > > > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 > amnayas > > > > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the > > > > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily > > > > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana. > > > > > > > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having > > the > > > > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their > austerities. > > > > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves > > > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to > > suffer > > > > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure > > that > > > > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's > > > prarabdha > > > > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra > > > Puja, > > > > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he > used > > to > > > > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to > > shake > > > > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he > > > used > > > > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this > > > > wonderful acharya. > > > > > > > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell > > > like > > > > this, it would run in pages. > > > > > > > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY > > > > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE > > THESE > > > > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS > AS > > > > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE > > ANY > > > > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE > OF > > > > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA > > > > MANTRAS. > > > > > > > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA- > > HAMSAS > > > > AND REALISED YATIS. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubt is cleared. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > sriram > > > > > > > > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS, > > > > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS. > > > > > what is the method of sanyas. > > > > > what is danda tarpan. > > > > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI > > > > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE > > DIFFRENT > > > > FROM > > > > > OTHER SANYASI. > > > > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS. > > > > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI. > > > > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS. > > > > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY > > BODY > > > > KNOWS. > > > > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS. > > > > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK. > > > > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS. > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear shriram, sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH We may never know why your Gurunaatha asked his shishyas to perform prAyashchittam after they returned from hearing the discourse of a non-brahmin swamiji. Was it for himself as a sannyAsI or for his Shishyas ? Did your gurunAtha Himself perform any prAyaschittam ? If yes, why ? (because He did not attend the discourse by a non-brahmin swamiji and therefore there would be no reason for him to perform prAyaschittam ) ? If he did not, then how does this incident relate to the question at hand ? Perhaps the reasons for your GurunAthA asking his shishyas to perform prAyaschittam had nothing to do with brahmins or non-brahmins, but rather faith in the Guru and in the Guru paramparA ? I am told that in the Shri Vidya world, there are three types of people - Mriga, Nara and Deva (not Brahmin, Kshatriya etc.), and that all people could be Shri Vidya Upasakas, and that each person should try to move from Mriga state to Nara state and from Nara state to Deva state of existence. I believe that we all already know the answer to this question inwardly. I request each and every one to look inward for the true answers to this question of brahmin, non-brahmin etc. sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH Regards. shri mAtre namaH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2008 dear kumar, My gurunatha did not perform the prayaschita as he did not go to the discourse. The prayaschita was performed for disciples who went to the discourse by Raghavana Narayana Sastrigal. Because all these people prostrated before the sadhu who was non-initiate in gayatri. Moreover, Yati dharma prohibits the sanyasa to kshatriya, vaishya and sudra. If they take the sanyasa they are not yatis but sadhus. Moreover, the Yatis who undergo the mahavakyopadesa have to study the sutra bhasya. The 1st sutra itself says that " athato brahmajignyasa " . By the term " athato " , implies that having undergone the study of purva mimamsa, having performed the karma kanda ordained by Veda, he has to come to study the uttara mimamsa with due initiation into sanyasa. Only such person is called yati. Adi sankara took pains in explaining who is the adhikara to study the surtra bhasya in the 1st sutra itself. Moreover, all the upanishads are the part and parcel of vedas which only yatis have to study having undergone the mahavakya upadesa from amnaya pitas. The smartha dvija grihasta has to listen only to such sanyasis who hail from amnaya parampara of dasanami order. If they prostrate before sadhus, it is the ayu kshina to the householder and to the sadhu. Dharma sastra prohibits this. For further clarification, pl. refer Yati dharma nirnaya published by Pushpagiri Pita. varNAshramavidhAyinyai namah.... with regards, sriram , " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > > shri gurubhyo namaH > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > Dear shriram, > > sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH > > We may never know why your Gurunaatha asked his shishyas to perform prAyashchittam after they returned from hearing the discourse of a non-brahmin swamiji. > > Was it for himself as a sannyAsI or for his Shishyas ? > > Did your gurunAtha Himself perform any prAyaschittam ? > > If yes, why ? (because He did not attend the discourse by a non- brahmin swamiji and therefore there would be no reason for him to perform prAyaschittam ) ? > > If he did not, then how does this incident relate to the question at hand ? > > Perhaps the reasons for your GurunAthA asking his shishyas to perform prAyaschittam had nothing to do with brahmins or non- brahmins, but rather faith in the Guru and in the Guru paramparA ? > > I am told that in the Shri Vidya world, there are three types of people - Mriga, Nara and Deva (not Brahmin, Kshatriya etc.), and that all people could be Shri Vidya Upasakas, and that each person should try to move from Mriga state to Nara state and from Nara state to Deva state of existence. > > I believe that we all already know the answer to this question inwardly. I request each and every one to look inward for the true answers to this question of brahmin, non-brahmin etc. > > sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH > > Regards. > > shri mAtre namaH > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH dear shriram Never mind. I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it for yourself. I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this matter. shivashaktyaikyarUpiNyai namaH regards KR shri mAtre namaH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 Dear kumar, Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial and burning issues. Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah... with best regards, sriram , " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > > shri gurubhyo namaH > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > dear shriram > > Never mind. > > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. > > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. > > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it for yourself. > > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this matter. > > shivashaktyaikyarUpiNyai namaH > > regards > KR > > shri mAtre namaH > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 Dear Sriram/Ganapathy-ji 1. Regarding Gayatri japam --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins; -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri? I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda sadas regards Vishwam sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear kumar, Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial and burning issues. Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah... with best regards, sriram @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach > wrote: > > shri gurubhyo namaH > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > dear shriram > > Never mind. > > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. > > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. > > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it for yourself. > > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this matter. > > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH > > regards > KR > > shri mAtre namaH > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 my bad, I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed from chanting the Vedas, there is an exception made for the Satarudriya " The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that while a sanyasi is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas (barring the Upanishads), he is expected to chant Rudram all the time or at least once a day " --Swamy Paramathananda (http://www.yogamalika.org/SivarathriMusings.html) The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting Vedas to include the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a pain :-) vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeShu vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA | mamatvagarte.atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatIva Vishwam|| vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM Re: Re: DAND SANYAS Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji 1. Regarding Gayatri japam --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins; -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri? I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda sadas regards Vishwam sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com> @ .com Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear kumar, Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial and burning issues. Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah... with best regards, sriram @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach > wrote: > > shri gurubhyo namaH > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > dear shriram > > Never mind. > > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. > > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. > > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it for yourself. > > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this matter. > > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH > > regards > KR > > shri mAtre namaH > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 Dear vishwam, Namaste. The discourses of Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal have been published in 10 volumes (in telugu language). I don't know about other languages. In one of the volumes, Periyavaal mentions the Yati dharma and what the yati has to perform as his nitya ahnika. He had clearly mentioned the satarudriya, Vishnu Sahasranama, Gita as mandatory for the yati. I was just waiting for you to discover these things and by Mother's grace you found it out. Even the gayatri also, the Turiya Gayatri, Mahavakyas (pertaining to corresponding amnaya pita parampara), Hamsa Mantra, Pranava are initiated to Yatis after the turiyasrama svikara. ajnAnadhAntadIpikAyai namah..... with warm regards, sriram , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: > > > my bad, > I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed from chanting the Vedas, there is an exception made for the Satarudriya > > " The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that while a sanyasi is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas (barring the Upanishads), he is expected to chant Rudram all the time or at least once a day " > --Swamy Paramathananda (http://www.yogamalika.org/SivarathriMusings.html) > > The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting Vedas to include the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a pain :-) > > > vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeShu vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA | > mamatvagarte.atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatIva > > Vishwam|| > > > > > > vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy > > Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM > Re: Re: DAND SANYAS > > > Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji > > 1. Regarding Gayatri japam > --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins; > > -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha > > 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas > --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri? > I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda sadas > > regards > Vishwam > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com> > @ .com > Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM > Re: DAND SANYAS > > Dear kumar, > > Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us > not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial > and burning issues. > > Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah... > > with best regards, > sriram > > @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach@ > > wrote: > > > > shri gurubhyo namaH > > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > > > dear shriram > > > > Never mind. > > > > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. > > > > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. > > > > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it > for yourself. > > > > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this > matter. > > > > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH > > > > regards > > KR > > > > shri mAtre namaH > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2008 dear Sriram, Then why does Mahasannidhanam say that Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;? maybe He is referring only to tripada Gayatri? and not turiya Gayatri vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeSh u vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA | mamatvagarte. atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatI va Vishwam|| sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Friday, October 3, 2008 10:39:10 AM Re: DAND SANYAS Dear vishwam, Namaste. The discourses of Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal have been published in 10 volumes (in telugu language). I don't know about other languages. In one of the volumes, Periyavaal mentions the Yati dharma and what the yati has to perform as his nitya ahnika. He had clearly mentioned the satarudriya, Vishnu Sahasranama, Gita as mandatory for the yati. I was just waiting for you to discover these things and by Mother's grace you found it out. Even the gayatri also, the Turiya Gayatri, Mahavakyas (pertaining to corresponding amnaya pita parampara), Hamsa Mantra, Pranava are initiated to Yatis after the turiyasrama svikara. ajnAnadhAntadIpikAy ai namah..... with warm regards, sriram @ .com, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy@ ...> wrote: > > > my bad, > I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed from chanting the Vedas, there is an exception made for the Satarudriya > > " The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that while a sanyasi is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas (barring the Upanishads), he is expected to chant Rudram all the time or at least once a day " > --Swamy Paramathananda (http://www.yogamali ka.org/Sivarathr iMusings. html) > > The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting Vedas to include the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a pain :-) > > > vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeSh u vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA | > mamatvagarte. atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatI va > > Vishwam|| > > > > > > vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy@ ...> > @ .com > Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM > Re: Re: DAND SANYAS > > > Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji > > 1. Regarding Gayatri japam > --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins; > > -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha > > 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas > --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri? > I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda sadas > > regards > Vishwam > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi @ grouply.com> > @ .com > Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM > Re: DAND SANYAS > > Dear kumar, > > Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us > not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial > and burning issues. > > Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah... > > with best regards, > sriram > > @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach@ > > wrote: > > > > shri gurubhyo namaH > > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH > > > > dear shriram > > > > Never mind. > > > > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas. > > > > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them. > > > > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it > for yourself. > > > > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this > matter. > > > > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH > > > > regards > > KR > > > > shri mAtre namaH > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
