Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2009 Sat Nam Roses For God! You did not sign your name so I am addressing this to your email name, which by the way is beautiful. You state you feel alone and can not receive help in choosing specific kriyas and meditations for specific issues without a charge. This has never been my experience in Kundalini Yoga. Do you have a teacher? My teachers in Kundalini Yoga have always been the most generous and gracious guides on this spiritual path. I have witnessed many Kundalini Yoga Teachers (myself included ) that have stayed after classes for countless hours giving advice and sometimes just listening. Yogiji said that 90% of those seeking advice from him were not doing Sadhana. (I am paraphrasing) Many answers arise in the Amrit Vela while doing Sadhana. There are many incredible teachers here on this list serve that will gladly offer spiritual guidance and answer questions, but ultimately everyone must do their own work and seek the answers from within. There is nothing wrong with asking for guidance it is necessary many times but should not be used as a crutch or excuse for not doing the REAL work. Gurmukh used to hand out a paper that her students could write their circumstances and problems on and she would give them a specific kriya or meditation to practice. Not sure if she still does this. If you are not finding the help and support you need with a certain teacher maybe you can find someone else. Blessings, Guru Ravi Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2009 Sat Nam, You are right Guru Ravi Kaur. People on this discussion forum are very helpful and inspirational indeed. It's a great feeling to have some place to address questions and find suggestions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2009 There's also a Yoga Festival in Europe (France) after Summer Solstice each year. Which from what I understand is amazing and similar in many ways of Summer Solstice (3 days tantra, 1500+ people). -FS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2009 Sat Nam folks, I know David Shannahoff well. We were married for 16 years--and I just corrected a typo of 16 tears. Yogiji gave him some meditations for OCD that were not complicated. People in the clinical trial were not great yogis. One that worked well was for people to chant Ong Namo Guru Dev Namo at the first sign of symptons. Pranayams help, the most powerful being the eight-part breath where you inhale through a curled tongue in eight equal parts and exhale and exhale in eight equal parts through the nose (nose-length breaths). Basically OCD is caused by stress, which is curable by K-Yoga Kriyas. The clinical experiment went on for one year with all participants cured (down to episodes of 30 secs or less), after which classes continued and the control group was permitted to participate. To all you beautiful OCDers out there, know that on the other side is bliss! Loving Blessings, Guru Prem Kaur yogagems.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Guru Prem Kaur, Sat Nam, It is a very small world. Maybe I could write to you with a few very pertinent questions in time if and when the need arises. My questions are more embryonic and not definate yet. My questions are more long term and revolve around understanding OCD and other 'disease patterns' yogically, as well as the mind and consciousness. And how KY techniques work on the body, mind and soul. Kindest regards, Sukhnivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Hello,Sat Ganesha Singh writesIn the early days, I recall doing Sa-Ta-Na-Ma for about 5 years…I likely " should " have kept going but I was doing what every meditation was popular for the time period.I'd like to know what you mean by this. It sounds like you think working with that kriya was not good. I would think working with that one for that long is a good thing. Did it not help you in life? ThanksPaula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 """"Basically OCD is caused by stress, which is curable by K-Yoga Kriyas. The clinical experiment went on for one year with all participants cured (down to episodes of 30 secs or less), after which classes continued and the control group was permitted to participate.To all you beautiful OCDers out there, know that on the other side is bliss!Loving Blessings,Guru Prem Kauryogagems.com""""With all due respect OCD is caused by Trauma, that trauma can be physical , emotional, mental and or spiritual Trauma. For one who has OCD it is the minds way of protecting and being in control . The OCD mind believes that as long as every thing is in order & control it will not suffer another trauma, it will not feel the pain of the original trauma It will keep the pain at bay and not have to deal with the emotional pain associated with the Trauma. Heal the Trauma not the OCD , OCD is a symptom of pain that is being avoided. and the need to keep trauma from happening again.By healing the trauma and its pain you are now pulling out the roots not just masking the symptoms.peacenarayanwww.narayanbeauty.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2009 Sat Nam, Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses us with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest soul and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories to become attached to our Divine reality. Loving Blessings, SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa www.yogagems.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Sa-Ta-Na-Ma kriya helped me tremendously. My comment of 5 years and the should, relates to my current strategy of how I pick the length of time/what meditation to do compared to my past strategy. Now, I relate to what it does for me, previous I related to what kriya everyone else was doing. I still explore what everyone else is doing but only in relationship to how it affects my life. Sat Ganesha " participate, share, contribute " Kundalini-Yoga , Paula Lucidi <plucidi wrote: > > Hello, > > Sat Ganesha Singh writes > In the early days, I recall doing Sa-Ta-Na-Ma for about 5 years…I likely > " should " have kept going but I was doing what every meditation was popular > for the time period. > > > I'd like to know what you mean by this. It sounds like you think working > with that kriya was not good. I would think working with that one for that > long is a good thing. Did it not help you in life? > > Thanks > Paula > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Sat Nam, How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . . etc. " I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've been around for awhile and don't buy into the God-thing, might get the idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does cruel things to us " for our own good " . There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this. Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem wrote: > > Sat Nam, > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses us > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest soul > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories to > become attached to our Divine reality. > > Loving Blessings, > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa > www.yogagems.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2009 I was wondering if someone would catch that? Yes that was strange...it brought up memories of my old Catholic days. But she did say " to become attached to our Divine reality " at the end. I would add " where the old paradigm that there is God that teaches by pain dissolves into nothingness. " Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot <no_reply wrote: > > > Sat Nam, > > How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga > forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the > perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . . > etc. " > > I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've > been around for awhile and don't buy into the God-thing, might get the > idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and > that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does > cruel things to us " for our own good " . > > There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this. > > > Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem@> > wrote: > > > > Sat Nam, > > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses > us > > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest > soul > > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories > to > > become attached to our Divine reality. > > > > Loving Blessings, > > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa > > www.yogagems.com > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2009 In this KY path we are taught that G.O.D. is the the Generating, Organizing, AND Destroying ( and simultaneously Delivering) force of the world- All that is and all that we are. I think you misunderstood the context of the original post. It was my understanding that it was coming from that sense of oneness. Why shouldn't the painful stuff be our teachers too- I find that the more painful something is in my life, the more it makes me want to practice ( this amazing yogic technology) and grow. So rather than from a 'punishing God' its all just catalysts to find and dwell in our True Self... Anyhow, thats how I interpret it. From being around a lot of Sikh's in the last few years I can also tell you that the religion is about as far from Catholicism (and guilt..) as you can get....Its all ONE with them... Love, Jamila http://www.alchemyunion.com http://www.eleveneleven.net/ http://blog.eleveneleven.net/ Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana wrote: > > I was wondering if someone would catch that? Yes that was strange...it brought up memories of my old Catholic days. But she did say " to become attached to our Divine reality " at the end. I would add " where the old paradigm that there is God that teaches by pain dissolves into nothingness. " > > Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > > How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga > > forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the > > perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . . > > etc. " > > > > I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've > > been around for awhile and don't buy into the God-thing, might get the > > idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and > > that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does > > cruel things to us " for our own good " . > > > > There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this. > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > > > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses > > us > > > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest > > soul > > > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > > > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories > > to > > > become attached to our Divine reality. > > > > > > Loving Blessings, > > > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa > > > www.yogagems.com > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Sat to your Nam YES I caught this , as it was in reply to my post I thought it best to let someone else catch it and so glad you did . This " new age / yogic " movement has gained as much fanaticisim as any right wing religion , they have become the establishmnet they were fighting against and filled with as much dogma! What do you believe god to be is the real question , if one believes he is punishing and punitive and teaches with a whip then that is what you will get , if you believe he is of love that is what you will expereince. a GREAT read " how to know god " depak all though I am not a huge fan of his and word has it, he has a team of writers it will help you to find out how do you percieve god and how that shapes your world, how you co-create your life with god godess source , bob what ever you chose to call this amazing energy and be with the energy. I was wondering if someone would catch that? Yes that was strange...it brought up memories of my old Catholic days. But she did say " to become attached to our Divine reality " at the end. I would add " where the old paradigm that there is God that teaches by pain dissolves into nothingness. " , Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot <no_reply wrote:, >, > , > Sat Nam, > , > How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga, > forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the > perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . .> etc. " , > , > I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've, > been around for awhile and don't buy into the God- thing, might get the, > idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and, > that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does, > cruel things to us " for our own good " ., > , > There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this., > , > , > Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem@>, > wrote:, > >, > > Sat Nam, > > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's, > > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses, > us, > > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest, > soul, > > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories, > to, > > become attached to our Divine reality., > >, > > Loving Blessings, > > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa, > > www.yogagems.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2009 Jamila...yes of course you are right...pain can be a great catalyst. My own enlightenments came in a very painful way while serving as a UN peace keeper in Bosnia. I saw something that drove me " over the edge " . But there has to be the consideration of pre-enlightenment and post enlightenment. I was teaching kundalini yoga in the middle of a war zone. There was so much pain in Sarajevo you could cut it with a knife. And that propelled me to stay " above " it all by many hours of chanting. After a few weeks I went into what is called " turia " ...I was on, and a positive flow to my environment 24/7. From this place you are the Unitive Force. You are a co-creating wheel with the Universe. Your own " I can " aligns with the " Big I can. " You " create situations " you don't just sit back and accept them. I know " acceptance " is a big hullabaloo these days, but I accept nothing...I change things. When I first met Yogji he told me " kundalini yoga gives one the awareness to Know the effect of any cause that YOU put in motion...BEFORE you put it in motion ( a pretty handy tool) So the question is.....if you are a " creator " why would you create or accept circumstance in your life that create pain in order to grow...when in truth you can grow just as much by pleasure, joy, and fun? I saw this first hand in the Bosnian war. The war didn't change people one bit...when things get crazy and over the top people will cling on tighter to who they are. The only thing i have seen that truly changes people in a permanent way is loving-kindness. So it is not that one can propel themselves by pain into an other level that I had issue with. It was the idea that this is some kind of " cosmic necessity " or as Catholics believe, a preferred way of growth. I say that is an old paradigm...and though we have all used it in the " past " ...it is not necessary for the future. You can learn more by loving-kindness to ourselves, to our neighbors and family, and to our Planet. If there is a lot of painful situations in your life...work harder...chant longer ( I know this was your point from the beginning LOL) but it has to be taken to the place where you are a " Giver' to the environment. You don't get backed into a corner...you push back and conquer. There was horror, and blood shed all around me, but I lived in a Ball of Bliss. And eventually that Ball expanded out and became a force that help stop that war. Khalsa is found on the front lines...pushing the enemy back. ( in this case...the IDEA that pain is a further necessity) You don't have to go to a war to learn these lessons...there is plenty of opportunity in our own neighborhoods. Love back at ya Kirantana Kundalini-Yoga , " Jamila T " <faucetlover wrote: > > In this KY path we are taught that G.O.D. is the the Generating, Organizing, AND Destroying ( and simultaneously Delivering) force of the world- All that is and all that we are. I think you misunderstood the context of the original post. It was my understanding that it was coming from that sense of oneness. Why shouldn't the painful stuff be our teachers too- I find that the more painful something is in my life, the more it makes me want to practice ( this amazing yogic technology) and grow. So rather than from a 'punishing God' its all just catalysts to find and dwell in our True Self... > Anyhow, thats how I interpret it. From being around a lot of Sikh's in the last few years I can also tell you that the religion is about as far from Catholicism (and guilt..) as you can get....Its all ONE with them... > > Love, > Jamila > http://www.alchemyunion.com > http://www.eleveneleven.net/ > http://blog.eleveneleven.net/ > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana@> wrote: > > > > I was wondering if someone would catch that? Yes that was strange...it brought up memories of my old Catholic days. But she did say " to become attached to our Divine reality " at the end. I would add " where the old paradigm that there is God that teaches by pain dissolves into nothingness. " > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > > > > How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga > > > forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the > > > perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . . > > > etc. " > > > > > > I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've > > > been around for awhile and don't buy into the God-thing, might get the > > > idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and > > > that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does > > > cruel things to us " for our own good " . > > > > > > There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this. > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > > > > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses > > > us > > > > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest > > > soul > > > > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > > > > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories > > > to > > > > become attached to our Divine reality. > > > > > > > > Loving Blessings, > > > > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa > > > > www.yogagems.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2009 What was posted reads: " Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses us with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest soul and rise above it. " In other words: The real cause of OCD (and traumas and betrayals) is God. " God " is not the cause of anything that occurs in your life, or that " happens " to you -- you are. " God " is not the cause of anything that occurs in my life, or that " happens " to me -- I am. If I am G.O.D. The language is important because religions teach that God is out there, apart from us, separate from us, acting without us, doing things to us, visiting things on us, blessing us, cursing us, to be appealed to, appeased, placated. Yoga, including Kundalini Yoga, teaches that you and I are God. " He is around you, He is within you, and He is you! Man must accept God as himself. That you cannot accept! " Yogi Bhajan So why not just say, " I am the cause of everything that happens in my life, including the traumas and betrayals. I created these situations and circumstances not necessarily to challenge myself to come from my deepest soul and rise above it, but because in the ignorance of maya, the veil of illusion, I FORGOT that I have a soul, that I am a spirit, and I made choices and decisions out of that ignorance, and now I am seeing the results of my actions manifest. " These are the classic yogic definitions of karma and human existence on the earth plane. Talking about God in the manner refered to in the first parargraph can distance us from responsibility for the state of our lives and keep us from taking action to change it. I understand that these distinctions may be tedious to some and meaningless to others, but I think it's important to know the language and the mindset of a large portion of the population who will come in contact with KY, who are now coming into contact with KY. They were raised in religious environments in which " God " got the blame and the credit for everything. And that is only true IF you know God = you -- " God and me, me and God are one " , as in: there is only, ever, always, one entity -- it's not about two becoming one. There never were two to begin with. Many people have been taught in the context of religion that there is a chasm between G.O.D. and man. I was objecting to the language because it reinforces that idea, and confuses people into thinking that the God of their religious upbringing is the God of KY, and many people are so done with that, they can't even hear what KY really is all about when practitioners and teachers use phrases like that. Food for thought. It will matter to some people. If it doesn't matter to you, please don't take offense that it matters to others. Kundalini-Yoga , " Jamila T " <faucetlover wrote: > > In this KY path we are taught that G.O.D. is the the Generating, Organizing, AND Destroying ( and simultaneously Delivering) force of the world- All that is and all that we are. I think you misunderstood the context of the original post. It was my understanding that it was coming from that sense of oneness. Why shouldn't the painful stuff be our teachers too- I find that the more painful something is in my life, the more it makes me want to practice ( this amazing yogic technology) and grow. So rather than from a 'punishing God' its all just catalysts to find and dwell in our True Self... > Anyhow, thats how I interpret it. From being around a lot of Sikh's in the last few years I can also tell you that the religion is about as far from Catholicism (and guilt..) as you can get....Its all ONE with them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2009 Yourotherleftfoot, Thank you for your clarification. I think we agree on all those points. I am glad to have this discussion as it has opened my awareness a little more to others needs. The word God is so polluted for some people that I do not use it when I teach, as I feel intuitively that for me it is better to reach people with the Grace of this practice, and leave that word out of it... however personally I love the word and have no problem with it---in all its meanings and facets. Sat Nam and G.O.D. bless!!! Love Jamila Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot <no_reply wrote: > > > What was posted reads: > > " Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses us > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest soul > and rise above it. " > > In other words: The real cause of OCD (and traumas and betrayals) is > God. > > " God " is not the cause of anything that occurs in your life, or that > " happens " to you -- you are. > > " God " is not the cause of anything that occurs in my life, or that > " happens " to me -- I am. > > If I am G.O.D. > > The language is important because religions teach that God is out there, > apart from us, separate from us, acting without us, doing things to us, > visiting things on us, blessing us, cursing us, to be appealed to, > appeased, placated. > > Yoga, including Kundalini Yoga, teaches that you and I are God. " He is > around you, He is within you, and He is you! Man must accept God as > himself. That you cannot accept! " Yogi Bhajan > > So why not just say, " I am the cause of everything that happens in my > life, including the traumas and betrayals. I created these situations > and circumstances not necessarily to challenge myself to come from my > deepest soul and rise above it, but because in the ignorance of maya, > the veil of illusion, I FORGOT that I have a soul, that I am a spirit, > and I made choices and decisions out of that ignorance, and now I am > seeing the results of my actions manifest. " > > These are the classic yogic definitions of karma and human existence on > the earth plane. > > Talking about God in the manner refered to in the first parargraph can > distance us from responsibility for the state of our lives and keep us > from taking action to change it. > > I understand that these distinctions may be tedious to some and > meaningless to others, but I think it's important to know the language > and the mindset of a large portion of the population who will come in > contact with KY, who are now coming into contact with KY. They were > raised in religious environments in which " God " got the blame and the > credit for everything. > > And that is only true IF you know God = you -- " God and me, me and God > are one " , as in: there is only, ever, always, one entity -- it's not > about two becoming one. There never were two to begin with. > > Many people have been taught in the context of religion that there is a > chasm between G.O.D. and man. I was objecting to the language because > it reinforces that idea, and confuses people into thinking that the God > of their religious upbringing is the God of KY, and many people are so > done with that, they can't even hear what KY really is all about when > practitioners and teachers use phrases like that. > > Food for thought. It will matter to some people. If it doesn't matter > to you, please don't take offense that it matters to others. > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Jamila T " <faucetlover@> > wrote: > > > > In this KY path we are taught that G.O.D. is the the Generating, > Organizing, AND Destroying ( and simultaneously Delivering) force of the > world- All that is and all that we are. I think you misunderstood the > context of the original post. It was my understanding that it was coming > from that sense of oneness. Why shouldn't the painful stuff be our > teachers too- I find that the more painful something is in my life, the > more it makes me want to practice ( this amazing yogic technology) and > grow. So rather than from a 'punishing God' its all just catalysts to > find and dwell in our True Self... > > Anyhow, thats how I interpret it. From being around a lot of Sikh's in > the last few years I can also tell you that the religion is about as far > from Catholicism (and guilt..) as you can get....Its all ONE with > them... > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2009 Kirantana, Thank you so much for your email. It is eye opening and perspective shifting for me. Like a lot of people, I vacilate between pushing back and being the Giver to sometimes feeling weak and overwhelmed by life...your story is an inspiration and a gift. ....and I am definatly ready to grow more with pleasure, joy and fun! Keep shining Jamila Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana wrote: > > Jamila...yes of course you are right...pain can be a great catalyst. My own enlightenments came in a very painful way while serving as a UN peace keeper in Bosnia. I saw something that drove me " over the edge " . But there has to be the consideration of pre-enlightenment and post enlightenment. I was teaching kundalini yoga in the middle of a war zone. There was so much pain in Sarajevo you could cut it with a knife. And that propelled me to stay " above " it all by many hours of chanting. After a few weeks I went into what is called " turia " ...I was on, and a positive flow to my environment 24/7. From this place you are the Unitive Force. You are a co-creating wheel with the Universe. Your own " I can " aligns with the " Big I can. " You " create situations " you don't just sit back and accept them. I know " acceptance " is a big hullabaloo these days, but I accept nothing...I change things. When I first met Yogji he told me " kundalini yoga gives one the awareness to Know the effect of any cause that YOU put in motion...BEFORE you put it in motion ( a pretty handy tool) So the question is.....if you are a " creator " why would you create or accept circumstance in your life that create pain in order to grow...when in truth you can grow just as much by pleasure, joy, and fun? I saw this first hand in the Bosnian war. The war didn't change people one bit...when things get crazy and over the top people will cling on tighter to who they are. The only thing i have seen that truly changes people in a permanent way is loving-kindness. > So it is not that one can propel themselves by pain into an other level that I had issue with. It was the idea that this is some kind of " cosmic necessity " or as Catholics believe, a preferred way of growth. I say that is an old paradigm...and though we have all used it in the " past " ...it is not necessary for the future. You can learn more by loving-kindness to ourselves, to our neighbors and family, and to our Planet. > If there is a lot of painful situations in your life...work harder...chant longer ( I know this was your point from the beginning LOL) but it has to be taken to the place where you are a " Giver' to the environment. You don't get backed into a corner...you push back and conquer. There was horror, and blood shed all around me, but I lived in a Ball of Bliss. And eventually that Ball expanded out and became a force that help stop that war. Khalsa is found on the front lines...pushing the enemy back. ( in this case...the IDEA that pain is a further necessity) You don't have to go to a war to learn these lessons...there is plenty of opportunity in our own neighborhoods. > Love back at ya Kirantana > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Jamila T " <faucetlover@> wrote: > > > > In this KY path we are taught that G.O.D. is the the Generating, Organizing, AND Destroying ( and simultaneously Delivering) force of the world- All that is and all that we are. I think you misunderstood the context of the original post. It was my understanding that it was coming from that sense of oneness. Why shouldn't the painful stuff be our teachers too- I find that the more painful something is in my life, the more it makes me want to practice ( this amazing yogic technology) and grow. So rather than from a 'punishing God' its all just catalysts to find and dwell in our True Self... > > Anyhow, thats how I interpret it. From being around a lot of Sikh's in the last few years I can also tell you that the religion is about as far from Catholicism (and guilt..) as you can get....Its all ONE with them... > > > > Love, > > Jamila > > http://www.alchemyunion.com > > http://www.eleveneleven.net/ > > http://blog.eleveneleven.net/ > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana@> wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if someone would catch that? Yes that was strange...it brought up memories of my old Catholic days. But she did say " to become attached to our Divine reality " at the end. I would add " where the old paradigm that there is God that teaches by pain dissolves into nothingness. " > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , yourotherleftfoot@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > > > > > > How disappointing to read a statement like the one below on a yoga > > > > forum. I think it should have been qualified to read, " From the > > > > perspective of a religious fundamentalist, God blesses us with . . . > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > I'm concerned that newcomers to this group, and maybe some others who've > > > > been around for awhile and don't buy into the God-thing, might get the > > > > idea that belief in God of necessity has something to do with yoga, and > > > > that the " God " of Kundalini yogis is some perverted taskmaster who does > > > > cruel things to us " for our own good " . > > > > > > > > There is no yoga philosphy that I am aware of that teaches this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , Guruprem Kaur <guruprem@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > > > Re trauma being the cause of OCD, that was a good description of one's > > > > > motivation for such behaviors, but the real cause is God, who blesses > > > > us > > > > > with trauma and betrayals to challenge us to come from our deepest > > > > soul > > > > > and rise above it. Kundalini Yoga kriyas, when done in earnest, > > > > > penetrate our attachments to the trauma and our self-negating stories > > > > to > > > > > become attached to our Divine reality. > > > > > > > > > > Loving Blessings, > > > > > SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa > > > > > www.yogagems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
