A question

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, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,

>

> I was just wondering to myself why might it be that

> some people spontaneously awaken , and others are

> guided towards shaktipat.

 

@@ Perhaps they were the one giving the Shaktipat in a previous

time. Sometimes it is a matter of being prepared to have and to hold

the Kundalini. People come into this with different preparations,

different karma, different tasks to accomplish. Sometimes these

tasks are fulfilled and they are self-guided to explore these areas.

Sometimes the person giving the Shaktipat is being tested. Many

reasons exist Elektra. @@

 

 

> Why, if someone is destined to awaken their Kundalini

> and being guided, would they not , themselves, self

> activate rather then needing help from another?

 

@@ Well they do. I did. You were exploring Tantra and other

practices before coming here. As far as Shaktipat goes some folks do

not want to put in the time and discipline to bring it into their

life and they feel the Shaktipat will hasten its - the Kundalini -

approach. Sometimes it will. It is better to have the discipline for

future conditions though. @@

 

I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay on

> the K and it said that only certain people can

> activate as it's been precoded in to them.

 

@@ Well it is in everyone. I wont speak to the " precoding " idea but

some are predilected for this experience, some will never know of

it. A ripening of experience is needed. @@

>

> If, to be your own teacher and master is the goal,

> without guru's and such, why would it be best for some

> to recieve Shaktipat?

 

@@ Many problems can occur for those who walk this path alone and

without help. Yes to be your own teacher is the goal. But we are

here to help eachother as well as help ourselves. It is best to

learn from others a solution to that which could cause you harm for

your lack of knowledge or experience. You will always have choice as

to whether you wish to follow the advice or not. You will learn and

perhaps pass that learning on to others enlightening their path.

Shaktipat allows for an activation inside guidance that alone would

not be available. @@

>

> I am just pondering, and interested to here others

> ideas on this.

>

> Much love to all, Elektra x x x

> and you as well Elektra - chrism

>

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We all have our own path. If you want to see the making, than go to

the place between births and have a look around for yourself. You,

dear Elektra, have the ability to go there.

 

BlessU

Sam

 

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,

>

> I was just wondering to myself why might it be that

> some people spontaneously awaken , and others are

> guided towards shaktipat.

> Why, if someone is destined to awaken their Kundalini

> and being guided, would they not , themselves, self

> activate rather then needing help from another?

>

> I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay on

> the K and it said that only certain people can

> activate as it's been precoded in to them.

>

> If, to be your own teacher and master is the goal,

> without guru's and such, why would it be best for some

> to recieve Shaktipat?

>

> I am just pondering, and interested to here others

> ideas on this.

>

> Much love to all, Elektra x x x

>

>

>

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Some people are like wet logs. Others are ready to combust at any

moment under the right circumstance.

 

Kripananda tells the story of a 9-yr old boy who came to the Ashram

with his parents. He immediately was opened and had many siddhi.

There are many other examples recorded of spontaneous and/or guru

facilitated shaktipat.

 

One's readiness to 'receive' might be the cumulative and based on

previous lifetimes of preparation.

 

I know a 5-year old boy who is wide open. He sees visions, dreams,

and can explain God in ways that I didn't even contemplate until I

was 30.

 

Love,

Troy

 

 

 

 

>

> Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,

>

> I was just wondering to myself why might it be that

> some people spontaneously awaken , and others are

> guided towards shaktipat.

> Why, if someone is destined to awaken their Kundalini

> and being guided, would they not , themselves, self

> activate rather then needing help from another?

>

> I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay on

> the K and it said that only certain people can

> activate as it's been precoded in to them.

>

> If, to be your own teacher and master is the goal,

> without guru's and such, why would it be best for some

> to recieve Shaktipat?

>

> I am just pondering, and interested to here others

> ideas on this.

>

> Much love to all, Elektra x x x

>

[Guest guest]

a true teacher

takes what you do not have

and gives you

what is always yours.

 

this is why

the sage

does his work

and slips away

unperceived.

 

real masters are like thieves:

only the ones caught

are known.

the best ones

remain

ever hidden

behind a most

mundane

appearance.

 

yet their blessed presence

though unrecognized

continuously sustains

the world.

[Guest guest]

absolutely beautiful dear Chris and how very true...brought tears to my eyes. Much love to all--Andrea

 

"con infinito amore e luce" - with endless love & light :x

Andrea

 

<> Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 6:38:17 PM Re: a question

 

a true teachertakes what you do not haveand gives youwhat is always yours.this is whythe sagedoes his workand slips awayunperceived.real masters are like thieves:only the ones caughtare known.the best onesremainever hiddenbehind a mostmundaneappearance.yet their blessed presencethough unrecognizedcontinuously sustainsthe world.

[Guest guest]

Beautiful chrism, as always...

 

i was thinking about it and I thought that Shaktipat

with you is so safe and wonderful, that I feel very

blessed. Perhaps to go through spontaneous awakening

can be unneccesarily difficult in this day and age as

we have no knowledge or support systems, and so many

people end up in hospitals etc.

Kundalini found a way to come to those who seek it in

a more contained manner with safeties and such.

I, personally, am very glad to have found it and been

able to study it with a family support network, can't

imagine being alone and without knowledge and suddenly

going through a full activation. I think that those

beings are very brave who spontaneously activate, and

I feel awe and wonder for them.

Shakti knew what was best for me though, she didn't

get it wrong at all

 

And, to Sam, I would love to learn to see the life

change moments , between lifetimes, would be

fascinating. (But maybe a distraction from living in

the present moment of now?)

 

Thankyou all for giving me food for thought,

Love you all, Elektra x x x

 

--- chrism <> wrote:

 

> a true teacher

> takes what you do not have

> and gives you

> what is always yours.

>

> this is why

> the sage

> does his work

> and slips away

> unperceived.

>

> real masters are like thieves:

> only the ones caught

> are known.

> the best ones

> remain

> ever hidden

> behind a most

> mundane

> appearance.

>

> yet their blessed presence

> though unrecognized

> continuously sustains

> the world.

>

 

[Guest guest]

you guys use some words i am unfamiliar with. lol.

such as:

 

siddhi

ashram

shaktipat

wide open (auras?)

 

trying to learn quickly....

theresa

tbm36m <tbm36m Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 5:12:25 PM Re: a question

Some people are like wet logs. Others are ready to combust at any moment under the right circumstance. Kripananda tells the story of a 9-yr old boy who came to the Ashram with his parents. He immediately was opened and had many siddhi. There are many other examples recorded of spontaneous and/or guru facilitated shaktipat.One's readiness to 'receive' might be the cumulative and based on previous lifetimes of preparation. I know a 5-year old boy who is wide open. He sees visions, dreams, and can explain God in ways that I didn't even contemplate until I was 30.Love,Troy>> Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,> > I was just wondering to myself why might it be that> some people spontaneously awaken , and others are> guided towards shaktipat.> Why, if someone is destined to awaken their

Kundalini> and being guided, would they not , themselves, self> activate rather then needing help from another?> > I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay on> the K and it said that only certain people can> activate as it's been precoded in to them.> > If, to be your own teacher and master is the goal,> without guru's and such, why would it be best for some> to recieve Shaktipat?> > I am just pondering, and interested to here others> ideas on this.> > Much love to all, Elektra x x x>

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, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,

>

> I was just wondering to myself why might it be that

> some people spontaneously awaken , and others are

> guided towards shaktipat.

I'm of the mind which considers it the harvest of previous seedings

(i.e. residuum of past [or future] existences), spontaneous awakening

being more a matter of 'rememberance' (in the Socratic sense) of a

particular condition, or temporary recapitulation to it.

unfortunately this recognition tends to then open people to all sorts

of nonsense and abdication of their reasoning faculties. shaktipat to

me is an 'amplified' version of the effect that many of us have upon

those in whom this energy is dormant - in my view it is not so much an

energy 'transfer' as the establishment of a sympathetic resonance.

I'm an amateur electronic musician, thus expressing this in terms you

may better understand from a practical perspective.

 

> Why, if someone is destined to awaken their Kundalini

> and being guided, would they not , themselves, self

> activate rather then needing help from another?

one body vibrating at a specific frequency establishes the conditions

allowing another that responds to that frequency, to in turn vibrate.

it is interesting to note that regardless of the amplitude, the

sympathetic vibration will occur, but higher amplitude will overcome

more inertia or density (which can be beneficent or shake the second

vibrating body apart).

 

> I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay on

> the K and it said that only certain people can

> activate as it's been precoded in to them.

again, here's where I like the 'rememberance' notion, as it tends to

reconcile several dualities which arise when reflecting thoughtfully

on the idea.

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

Thankyou Brian, and to all who responded.

loved your ideas and descriptions

Much love to you,

Elektra x x x

 

 

--- a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote:

 

> --- In

> ,

> Elektra Fire

> <elektra.fire wrote:

> >

> > Hi chrism, and all list lovelies,

> >

> > I was just wondering to myself why might it be

> that

> > some people spontaneously awaken , and others are

> > guided towards shaktipat.

> I'm of the mind which considers it the harvest of

> previous seedings

> (i.e. residuum of past [or future] existences),

> spontaneous awakening

> being more a matter of 'rememberance' (in the

> Socratic sense) of a

> particular condition, or temporary recapitulation to

> it.

> unfortunately this recognition tends to then open

> people to all sorts

> of nonsense and abdication of their reasoning

> faculties. shaktipat to

> me is an 'amplified' version of the effect that many

> of us have upon

> those in whom this energy is dormant - in my view it

> is not so much an

> energy 'transfer' as the establishment of a

> sympathetic resonance.

> I'm an amateur electronic musician, thus expressing

> this in terms you

> may better understand from a practical perspective.

>

> > Why, if someone is destined to awaken their

> Kundalini

> > and being guided, would they not , themselves,

> self

> > activate rather then needing help from another?

> one body vibrating at a specific frequency

> establishes the conditions

> allowing another that responds to that frequency, to

> in turn vibrate.

> it is interesting to note that regardless of the

> amplitude, the

> sympathetic vibration will occur, but higher

> amplitude will overcome

> more inertia or density (which can be beneficent or

> shake the second

> vibrating body apart).

>

> > I guess it comes from a time when I read an essay

> on

> > the K and it said that only certain people can

> > activate as it's been precoded in to them.

> again, here's where I like the 'rememberance'

> notion, as it tends to

> reconcile several dualities which arise when

> reflecting thoughtfully

> on the idea.

>

> -brian

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elektra-

glad you found it helpful, hopefully useful as well. sound should be

held in high regard and used carefully; commercial trance and its

characteristic sounds have some mass-effect but it's like asking a

doctor to perform heart surgery with a claw hammer - some types of

classical music get closer to " it " in my opinion... there are a

handful of 'old' (circa 1999-2002) Hallucinogen and Infected Mushroom

tracks which [to my ears and mind] seemed near to nailing " it " but

next to nothing since 2003 has caught my ear in the same way.

 

-brian

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Thankyou Brian, and to all who responded.

> loved your ideas and descriptions

> Much love to you,

> Elektra x x x

[Guest guest]

Dear Elektra et. al. Your question about 'spontaneous' versus 'cultivated' kundalini awakening (my paraphrasing) is a good one and one that I ask my 'self' about often, as my experience was with the former, totally unbidden, and rather full. Recently I came across a link in the message of someone on another kundalini list, to a very interesting essay that resonated very highly with 'me', kinda of an 'ah hah ... I get that', now I understand better what is happening to/with 'me'. It doesn't answer the question directly about why one may be apparently 'self activated versus relying on the shaktipat of another but it does to my mind invite reflection on the interface between receiving and accepting divine 'grace' and divinely inspired 'personal effort' to awaken either all by oneself, or having sought out or being in receipt of the gift of shakipat from

another, as part of the awakening process ... So here's the link. http://www.livingspiritfoundation.org/kundaliniandholyspirit.htm A part of this article that particularly resonated with me was due to the experience of knowing someone who has gone a long way as an ordained person on the Buddhist path who has achieved 'enlightenment', and perceives themself to be so (and from the perspective of 'Mind' only - they are) but whose heart has not fully opened. I see that person's experience (and living limitation) reflected in the following paragraph. " As previously stated, the Holy Spirit provides the descent of spirit into matter. Without entering into the Christ-stream, one only experiences the first half of the process (the ascent of matter into spirit).

Without the infilling of the Holy Spirit, one is left feeling blank and empty, like living in a shell. This blankness is sometimes referred to in the East as ‘no-self’, which is aptly named because one has left behind the old (egoic) self and does not yet embody the Spirit Self. Without the infilling of Spirit, one is still susceptible to corruption by the lower energies within the Earth’s consciousness." ... the person I know seems limited by their paradigm which does not accept christic imagery or language ... as it implies presumably a continuing duality (I and Thou) of some sort ... e.g. the focus seems to be so much on 'no-self' that any discussion of any other 'higher Self' is simply not countenanced. A classic closed box. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear others' reflections on the essay per the link provided. Metta. Alex

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Martin Buber's " I and Thou " immediately and forcefully leapt to mind

upon skimming your post and its enclosed excerpt. I will read the

full text later and respond w/comments if I have anything to contribute.

 

" I and Thou " - it's been awhile, it is difficult reading but in a

different way than Western philosophy breaks your head with its own

verbose brand of hermeneutics. The simplified version is, it

distinguishes two modes of relation, the " I and It " and " I and Thou " ,

where " I and It " is achieved by seperation (ego from ego), and

communicating across that seperation, while " I and Thou " undoes the

'thing-ification' (my word, not his) of the " It " and addresses that

" It " as though it were in fact " I " (one's very " I " , higher and

seperable from the egoic " I " ), and is a communication of the being

itself, which occurs through what he called " grace " or an act of grace

(remember that 'grace' is a poor word, in the Greek it ( " grace " ) is

'charis', which is a root of charism or chrism, related of course to

charisma, charismatic, etc. This is of course the word used in the

New Testament as well. SOrry for all the parentheses and packed

nature of this communication.

 

cheers,

-brian

 

, Dharma Wayfarer

<dharmawayfarer wrote:

>

> Dear Elektra et. al.

>

> Your question about 'spontaneous' versus 'cultivated' kundalini

awakening (my paraphrasing) is a good one and one that I ask my 'self'

about often, as my experience was with the former, totally unbidden,

and rather full.

>

> Recently I came across a link in the message of someone on another

kundalini list, to a very interesting essay that resonated very highly

with 'me', kinda of an 'ah hah ... I get that', now I understand

better what is happening to/with 'me'.

>

> It doesn't answer the question directly about why one may be

apparently 'self activated versus relying on the shaktipat of another

but it does to my mind invite reflection on the interface between

receiving and accepting divine 'grace' and divinely inspired 'personal

effort' to awaken either all by oneself, or having sought out or being

in receipt of the gift of shakipat from another, as part of the

awakening process ...

>

> So here's the link.

http://www.livingspiritfoundation.org/kundaliniandholyspirit.htm

>

> A part of this article that particularly resonated with me was due

to the experience of knowing someone who has gone a long way as an

ordained person on the Buddhist path who has achieved 'enlightenment',

and perceives themself to be so (and from the perspective of 'Mind'

only - they are) but whose heart has not fully opened. I see that

person's experience (and living limitation) reflected in the following

paragraph.

>

> " As previously stated, the Holy Spirit provides the descent of

spirit into matter. Without entering into the Christ-stream, one only

experiences the first half of the process (the ascent of matter into

spirit). Without the infilling of the Holy Spirit, one is left feeling

blank and empty, like living in a shell. This blankness is sometimes

referred to in the East as `no-self', which is aptly named because one

has left behind the old (egoic) self and does not yet embody the

Spirit Self. Without the infilling of Spirit, one is still susceptible

to corruption by the lower energies within the Earth's consciousness. "

>

> ... the person I know seems limited by their paradigm which does

not accept christic imagery or language ... as it implies presumably a

continuing duality (I and Thou) of some sort ... e.g. the focus seems

to be so much on 'no-self' that any discussion of any other 'higher

Self' is simply not countenanced. A classic closed box.

>

> Anyway, I'd be interested to hear others' reflections on the essay

per the link provided.

>

> Metta.

>

> Alex

>

>

>

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Hi Elektra,

 

I have a hunch that people whose K is not ripe won't get activated,

regardless of how many shaktipats they might receive... Many of those

who seek the company of gurus, however, are probably ready to move to

the next stage. That's why the shaktipat is more likely to work for

them. If the same folks put in the right amount of work, they could

probably get activated on their own, too--maybe in the following

lifetime if not the current one.

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

Hi Sel,

Thats an interesting idea, never thought of that. You

may well be right, that is probably the reason certain

people are guided , they say when the pupil is ready

the teacher will appear.

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

 

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" when the pupil is ready the teacher will appear " is a lot different

than, if I seek out a guru and supplicate myself, I am straightaway on

the road to enlightenment. one thing's for sure, though - if I am

looking for a teacher and broadcast that, someone will appear and take

my money.

:-)

-brian

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Hi Sel,

> Thats an interesting idea, never thought of that. You

> may well be right, that is probably the reason certain

> people are guided , they say when the pupil is ready

> the teacher will appear.

>

> Much love Elektra x x x

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Brian, you could just read Swami Muktananda's book " Where are you

Going " . I got shaktipat from that book basically.

 

, " a_seventh_son "

<a_seventh_son wrote:

>

> " when the pupil is ready the teacher will appear " is a lot different

> than, if I seek out a guru and supplicate myself, I am straightaway on

> the road to enlightenment. one thing's for sure, though - if I am

> looking for a teacher and broadcast that, someone will appear and take

> my money.

> :-)

> -brian

>

> , Elektra Fire

> <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sel,

> > Thats an interesting idea, never thought of that. You

> > may well be right, that is probably the reason certain

> > people are guided , they say when the pupil is ready

> > the teacher will appear.

> >

> > Much love Elektra x x x

> >

> >

> >

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Erich Neumann's " The Origins and History of Consciousness " , second or

third paragraph on page 358. it was a number of years ago. totally

impossible to forget or to see anything the same ever again.

 

-brian

 

, " bondzai "

<bondzai wrote:

>

> Brian, you could just read Swami Muktananda's book " Where are you

> Going " . I got shaktipat from that book basically.

[Guest guest]

Vegetarians do kills life, just not animal life. It is the nature of

being alive that we survive on the destruction of other life - whether

it is killing an animal or tearing a carrot out of the ground.

 

If the reason given below is the reason for vegetarianism, than a

distinction of importance is being made between one type of life and

another. What is the distinction? If God is All, why is one form of

life more important than another?

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " sunderkhalsa108 "

<sunderkhalsa108 wrote:

>

> Sat Nam, Yogis, In the interview with Inderjit Kaur Khalsa, this was

> said: Q Why is a vegetarian diet so important to you?

> A Because we don't kill anything, we don't kill animals...

> Thank you,

>

>

>

> Sunder Kaur

>

[Guest guest]

So does that statement imply that vegetation itself is not 'alive' and

does not 'die' in order that we may consume it? I am a vegetarian. I am

not picking on anyone here. It's just that I've always found responses

like that interesting as fruits and vegetables are living things.

 

 

--

Breathe Deeply,

Melissa D. Haile

Kundalini Yoga Instructor

 

When the spine is flexible, life is flexible.

 

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> Sat Nam, Yogis, In the interview with Inderjit Kaur Khalsa, this was

> said: Q Why is a vegetarian diet so important to you?

> A Because we don't kill anything, we don't kill animals...

> Thank you,

>

>

>

> Sunder Kaur

>

>

[Guest guest]

But I don't think that fruits and vegetables are 'alive' in the

sense that they have souls, the ability to feel pain or 'parents'

like animals do.

 

Just a thought.

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " Melissa | Kundalini Yoga

Instructor " <modernyogini wrote:

>

> So does that statement imply that vegetation itself is not 'alive'

and

> does not 'die' in order that we may consume it? I am a vegetarian.

I am

> not picking on anyone here. It's just that I've always found

responses

> like that interesting as fruits and vegetables are living things.

>

>

> --

> Breathe Deeply,

> Melissa D. Haile

> Kundalini Yoga Instructor

>

> When the spine is flexible, life is flexible.

>

> www.ModernYogini.com

> www.myspace.com/honeybeewellness

>

> > Sat Nam, Yogis, In the interview with Inderjit Kaur Khalsa,

this was

> > said: Q Why is a vegetarian diet so important to you?

> > A Because we don't kill anything, we don't kill animals...

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunder Kaur

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does that make the case for vegetarianism more or less justifiable? And

what about animals that abandon or eat their young? Dharam made an

excellent point in a previous post.

 

--

Breathe Deeply,

Melissa D. Haile

Kundalini Yoga Instructor

 

When the spine is flexible, life is flexible.

 

www.ModernYogini.com

www.myspace.com/honeybeewellness

 

> But I don't think that fruits and vegetables are 'alive' in the

> sense that they have souls, the ability to feel pain or 'parents'

> like animals do.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " Melissa | Kundalini Yoga

> Instructor " <modernyogini wrote:

>>

>> So does that statement imply that vegetation itself is not 'alive'

> and

>> does not 'die' in order that we may consume it? I am a vegetarian.

> I am

>> not picking on anyone here. It's just that I've always found

> responses

>> like that interesting as fruits and vegetables are living things.

>>

>>

>> --

>> Breathe Deeply,

>> Melissa D. Haile

>> Kundalini Yoga Instructor

>>

>> When the spine is flexible, life is flexible.

>>

>> www.ModernYogini.com

>> www.myspace.com/honeybeewellness

>>

>> > Sat Nam, Yogis, In the interview with Inderjit Kaur Khalsa,

> this was

>> > said: Q Why is a vegetarian diet so important to you?

>> > A Because we don't kill anything, we don't kill animals...

>> > Thank you,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Sunder Kaur

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sat Nam. Although as yogi’s we have reverence for

life, that was never the reason Yogi Bhajan gave for being vegetarian. That

was his reason for not killing or abusing others. Jains for example take that

concept to the maximum and often wear masks so as not to inadvertently kill

anything with their breath. When Yogi Bhajan talked about what to eat, he said

to only eat foods that will digest within 24 hours. In fact that is the Yogic

reason to be vegetarian.

With love and prayers, satsimran

[Guest guest]

If you think plants don't have souls or can't feel

pain, read The Secret Life of Plants. Great book!

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The difference between the " 'death " of plants and animals for human

consumption is that a person must end an animals life in order to eat

it. However, when fruit/vegetables are ripe they fall from the

tree/vine/bush or push up out of the ground like carrots. Potatoe

plants actually die above ground when the potatoes are ready to be dug

up and consumed.

 

To eat an animal its life must be taken, when plants are ready to be

eaten they offer up their life.