Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2007 Dear Swamin, Om Namo Narayanaya is Narayana Astakshari called as tirumantram Om Namo Satagopaya is Alwar Astakshari called what? please advice, if my question is wrong, i beg a pardon for sending such kind of question. Ramanuja Dasan Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them at in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Dear Sriman Rajan, There is a grammar mistake. It has to be Om nama: SaTakOpAya and NOT namO. Some people even made some "SaTakOpa yantram". This is nothing but ritualizing azwhars and their teachings, and bringing them into our fold rather than following them! dasan Vishnu ---------------------------- Dear Swamin,Om Namo Narayanaya is Narayana Astakshari called astirumantramOm Namo Satagopaya is Alwar Astakshari called what?please advice,if my question is wrong, i beg a pardon for sendingsuch kind of question. Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Dear Sriman Rajan and others,It may be of some interest to note that just about any name of the Lord, Azhwar or Acharya can be " created " if it is started with pranavam, followed by the appropriate form of namaha, and then the name suffixed by " -aya " . But, we should be careful to recognize that none of these can or ever will be greater than the thirumantra. Another important idea that our Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. adiyenMohan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 31, 2007 Dear Swamithere is a small correction adiyen want to add to thisour Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. this goes against the mumukshuppadi. even though the meanings of the thirumanthram are very important, and while doing commentaries our poorvacharyas based thirumanthra for their commentaries. their main object was emperumanmumukshuppadi after explaining thirumanthra prabhavam clearly says it.mamunikal asks in the commentary, if the thirumanthram and its meanings are so great, and are capable of brining peace into life...why we need emperuman????the answer comes out as next suthramVachakatthil kATTil vAchyatthile Untrukaikku adi IswaranE upAyOpEyam entru ninaitthirukkai adiyEnSreekanth Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2007 Dear Sriman Sreekanth, I think Sriman Mohan Sagar also meant the same! Maybe he has to rephrase his words. From thirumantrArtham, we get to know the unquestionable supremacy of emberumAn without any iota of independence on our part. Even if someone does not learn it, one can still understand the supremacy of emberumAn from the pASurams or even seemingly ritualistic sanskrit texts if His grace is there. adiyen ramanuja dasan Vishnu ramanuja , Sreekanth <sreekanth_a wrote: > > Dear Swami > there is a small correction adiyen want to add to this > > our Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. > > this goes against the mumukshuppadi. even though the meanings of the thirumanthram are very important, and while doing commentaries our poorvacharyas based thirumanthra for their commentaries. their main object was emperuman > mumukshuppadi after explaining thirumanthra prabhavam clearly says it. > mamunikal asks in the commentary, if the thirumanthram and its meanings are so great, and are capable of brining peace into life...why we need emperuman???? > the answer comes out as next suthram > Vachakatthil kATTil vAchyatthile Untrukaikku adi IswaranE upAyOpEyam entru ninaitthirukkai > > adiyEn > Sreekanth > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2007 Sreekanth Swamin, I don't think there is a conflict here. If my novice knowledge serves me correctly, the subsequent verse suggests that emperumAn is recognized to be both the upAyam and the upEyam, which is the mantrArtham of thirumantram. If one is focused on mantrapradham, this would suggest that emperumAn serves as the upEyam only, and that the mantram would serve as a path to achieving him. adiyen Mohan ramanuja , Sreekanth <sreekanth_a wrote: > > Dear Swami > there is a small correction adiyen want to add to this > > our Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. > > this goes against the mumukshuppadi. even though the meanings of the thirumanthram are very important, and while doing commentaries our poorvacharyas based thirumanthra for their commentaries. their main object was emperuman > mumukshuppadi after explaining thirumanthra prabhavam clearly says it. > mamunikal asks in the commentary, if the thirumanthram and its meanings are so great, and are capable of brining peace into life...why we need emperuman???? > the answer comes out as next suthram > Vachakatthil kATTil vAchyatthile Untrukaikku adi IswaranE upAyOpEyam entru ninaitthirukkai > > adiyEn > Sreekanth > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 sri: Dear Sreekanth Swamin, Please accept adiyens's pranam. It is wonderful to see posts of this depth. I am sure many devotees with learn from these posts. Please continue this wonderful likhita service. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Sreekanth wrote: > Dear Swami > there is a small correction adiyen want to add to this > > our Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. > > this goes against the mumukshuppadi. even though the meanings of the thirumanthram are very important, and while doing commentaries our poorvacharyas based thirumanthra for their commentaries. their main object was emperuman > mumukshuppadi after explaining thirumanthra prabhavam clearly says it. > mamunikal asks in the commentary, if the thirumanthram and its meanings are so great, and are capable of brining peace into life...why we need emperuman???? > the answer comes out as next suthram > Vachakatthil kATTil vAchyatthile Untrukaikku adi IswaranE upAyOpEyam entru ninaitthirukkai > > adiyEn > Sreekanth > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGYGew2SpSQBooBLQRAqJeAJ9MDt5ytSXHUKIVnQZVE4qLWNtPRgCgtZ37 yKdHgZzbMQjUjy+IsrgOqRE= =wqJg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2007 So many views.. I shall share adiyEn's too. a. Mantra ucchAdanam - just telling the mantram itself triggers so many changes in one's life. Best example is that of vAlmIkI who was made to tell 'marA' repeatedly that eventually turned out to be 'marAmarAmrAma' i.e 'rAma rAma'. This was the beginning of rAmAyaNa kAvyam. Even without knowing the meaning one may chant is the point - clearly, this is for beginners who are inquisitive to know about the lord. b. 'draupadikku pudavai surandadhu tirunAmamirE'. Knowing the meaning, one may use that mantram as a means - this is not wrong. This is for most of the general masses of vaishnavAs who get entangled in bhakti and other mArgams. c. For prapannAs, 'tuyarilIr sollilum nandrAm'. prapannAs do not have to say this for a benefit nor for a reason. They cherish being proud of servant of the lord. They cherish the fact that lord is happy to have servants like them. The mutual exchange of happiness is what is the outcome of this approach. Eventually, when one recites the mantram, at an elevated level, one could see all the above three happening at every instance. Ex: gajEndrA called 'nArAyaNa oh! maNivaNNA nAgaNaiyai vArai en nAridarai nIkkAi'. He did not know the in depth meaning of the lord's name. Here the idea of gajendrAzhwAn was to complete the pushpa kainkaryam and not really being scared of death by the crocodile. The lord came and accepted gajendrA's pushpam while in parallel sudarshanAzhwAr took care of the virOdhi of the kainkaryam - the crocodile. So, whether you know the meaning or not, whether you use it for attaining him or not, the end result is, he takes over you and corrects you with his nirhEtuka krupai Both srIkAnth swAmin's and mohan swAmin's claim get accommodated here I suppose. adiyEn, rAmAnuja dAsan ramanuja , " mohan_r_sagar " <mohan0128 wrote: > > Sreekanth Swamin, > > I don't think there is a conflict here. If my novice knowledge serves > me correctly, the subsequent verse suggests that emperumAn is > recognized to be both the upAyam and the upEyam, which is the > mantrArtham of thirumantram. If one is focused on mantrapradham, this > would suggest that emperumAn serves as the upEyam only, and that the > mantram would serve as a path to achieving him. > > adiyen > Mohan > > > > ramanuja , Sreekanth <sreekanth_a@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami > > there is a small correction adiyen want to add to this > > > > our Acharyas emphasize is that it is not in recitation of the > mantram, or even meditating on the object of the mantram that brings > about spiritual fulfilment. Rather, it is in knowing and applying the > meaning of the mantram that brings peace, solace and meaning to life. > > > > this goes against the mumukshuppadi. even though the meanings of the > thirumanthram are very important, and while doing commentaries our > poorvacharyas based thirumanthra for their commentaries. their main > object was emperuman > > mumukshuppadi after explaining thirumanthra prabhavam clearly says it. > > mamunikal asks in the commentary, if the thirumanthram and its > meanings are so great, and are capable of brining peace into > life...why we need emperuman???? > > the answer comes out as next suthram > > Vachakatthil kATTil vAchyatthile Untrukaikku adi IswaranE > upAyOpEyam entru ninaitthirukkai > > > > adiyEn > > Sreekanth > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Games. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
