Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2009 Dear Rahul It is not that u hv not recieved any response, the fact is u r currently struggling in ur career & u r desperately trying to look for a positive answer from the forum, hence u r making rounds over and again.. Ur rahu maha dasha is currently on and rahu MD does deprive one in stable career & finances. U need to do shanti yagya every yr till 2023 when ur rahu MD gets over and also do the following remedies. Remedies for Rahu · Chant this mantra everyday at least 4 to 5 rounds (1 round = 108) OHM RHAM RAHAVEH NAMAH: or OHM BHRAMM BHREEMM BHRROMM SAHA: RAHAVEH NAMAH: on any chanting bead. If u do not have any chanting bead chant by counting on your fingers. · Fast on every Saturday · Offer mustard oil to Rahu Deity or light a Deepak in mustard oil & keep it below any peeple tree every Saturday. · Avoid all blue & black things like shoes, wallets, belts, cap/hat, and clothes. Do not also accept anything in these two colours also · Do not eat meat or have tobacco & liquor on every Saturday · Every Saturday the first chapatti which is made during the day apply little kheer to it & feed the crows or black cow. · Feed the poor with full meal once every month on any Saturday. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in./search?query=chandra-adityaastroremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies To Subscribe http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ abc xyz <pts1407 vedic astrology Sunday, 21 June, 2009 11:16:42 AM [vedic astrology] (unknown) Dear Sir, My Name is Rahul, Date of Birth- 12-3-1980 Time- 9:50am Place-Delhi Maine pahle bhi aapko mail ki thi, bt no reply, plz reply me, i am very depressed of my life, plz tll me some remedies for better life, i am waiting for ur reply, i hope u wll reply me as soon as possible. thanks Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2009 main koi astrologer nahi hoon bhai main toh khud bohut dukhi hoon i m himani Dear Sir, My Name is Rahul, Date of Birth- 12-3-1980 Time- 9:50am Place-Delhi Maine pahle bhi aapko mail ki thi, bt no reply, plz reply me, i am very depressed of my life, plz tll me some remedies for better life, i am waiting for ur reply, i hope u wll reply me as soon as possible. thanks Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 27, 2009 Mr Prashant Pandey alian thakur Jagmohan Singh alias Anup Khanna has never shown any clear cut evidence from any ancient text and falsely claims that he showed the proofs. On the other hand, I supplied many references from ancient scriptures which he calls " my stories " ! This person was perhaps banned due to his falsehood. ________________________________ Thakur Jagmohan Singh <thakurjagmohansingh VEDIC-ASTROLOGY (AT) (DOT) COM Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:35:51 AM [vedic astrology] (unknown) I HAVE SHOWN FOLLOWING THINGS BY THE MAILS :- 1) OUR CULTURE WAS SEASONAL FROM VEDIC PERIOD 2) WE WERE USING TROPICAL ZODIAC SYSTEM LATER AND PROOFS ARE FROM PURANS 3) I HAVE ALSO SHOWN THAT NKS WERE OF UNEQUAL DIVISIONS 4) I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT SS IS UNTRUE IN LOCATION THE PLANETS AND IT TALSK OF VIBRATIONAL MOTION IN THE NAME OF PRECESSION NOW JUDGE ON YOUR OWN CLAIMS OF JHAA, GOD KNOWS WHY HE IS SAYING THAT SIDEREAL ZODIAC IS VEDIC ZODIAC, IN VEDAS THERE IS TALK OF SEASONS AND WHEN RASHI CAME TO INDIA THEN PURANS TALKED TROPICAL RASHI JHAAA IS ONLY PLAYING WITH HINDU AND HINDU DHARMASHASTRA AND HE IS MAKING FOOL ALL PPL PLEASE READ BOTH DOCUEMTS WHICH I HAVE ATTACHED MY WORK IS OVER AND I PROMISED TO WIND UP THE THINGS NOW I WILL SHOOT NO MAIL AS BEFORE BOTH ATTACHEMENT NOBODY CAN STAND NOW JHAAA SHOULD STOP HARPING THAT ANYBODY IS DESTROYING SIDEREAL CULTURE IT HAS NEVER BEEN OUR VEDIC CULTURE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ADOPT SIDEREAL THEN HE IS PLAYING WITH HINDU DHARMASHASTRA THANKS PS :- I am forwarding to some 10-20 ids to this mail as my membership have been deleted by jealous gutter narayan iyer and pvr because i was winning the discussion, so if anybody cares for truth then pls forward it to VA In the name of God forward this to VA as anti Hindu PVR and Narayan Iyer has played the game with true Hindu culture and deleted me from the VA without any reason as i didnt abuse JHAAA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Dear Leena Why hv u deleted the previous msg & reply. How do I know what hv I written. I reply to 15 to 20 queries free every day, pls do not expect me to trace the archives. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ leena bajaj <leena14_bajaj vedic astrology Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 12:06:09 PM [vedic astrology] (unknown) thanx haresh for ur answer n valuable time spent for me one more query can you pls predict approximate time of the event See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Dear Sir previous messages and ur reply is attached. thanx haresh for ur answer n valuable time spent for me one more query can you pls predict approximate time of the event 8a. regarding foriegn settlement Posted by: " leena14_bajaj " leena14_bajaj leena14_bajaj Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:04 pm (PDT) sirs n mams this native is working as a govt servant,can anybody predict about promotion and foriegn settlement dob 22.11.77 tob 11.50 am pob kota rajasthan india thanx Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8b. Re: regarding foriegn settlement Posted by: " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " haresh1405 haresh1405 Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:47 pm (PDT) Dear Leena I hv always maintained that when any yog is their in any chart thoughts pertaining to the particular yog always come in natives mind. I m certain since u hv asked the foreign yog question thoughts for foreign settlement must hv come in the natives mind. The native has foreign yog & if he works on the same he will certainly get it. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 9a. (no subject) Posted by: " leena bajaj " leena14_bajaj leena14_bajaj Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:36 pm (PDT) thanx haresh for ur answer n valuable time spent for me one more query can you pls predict approximate time of the event See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Dear Leena The event will happen after sept 09. The period between sept & dec 09 is very much favourable HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ leena14_bajaj <leena14_bajaj vedic astrology Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 5:54:03 PM [vedic astrology] Re: (unknown) Dear Sir previous messages and ur reply is attached. thanx haresh for ur answer n valuable time spent for me one more query can you pls predict approximate time of the event 8a. regarding foriegn settlement Posted by: " leena14_bajaj " leena14_bajaj@ .co. in leena14_bajaj Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:04 pm (PDT) sirs n mams this native is working as a govt servant,can anybody predict about promotion and foriegn settlement dob 22.11.77 tob 11..50 am pob kota rajasthan india thanx Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8b. Re: regarding foriegn settlement Posted by: " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " haresh1405 haresh1405 Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:47 pm (PDT) Dear Leena I hv always maintained that when any yog is their in any chart thoughts pertaining to the particular yog always come in natives mind. I m certain since u hv asked the foreign yog question thoughts for foreign settlement must hv come in the natives mind. The native has foreign yog & if he works on the same he will certainly get it. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 9a. (no subject) Posted by: " leena bajaj " leena14_bajaj@ .co. in leena14_bajaj Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:36 pm (PDT) thanx haresh for ur answer n valuable time spent for me one more query can you pls predict approximate time of the event See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Please provide your birth details. Kanvarthy Astro Services Vedic Astrology PractitionerFor professional paid consultancy,mail to kanvarthy.astrologer --- On Tue, 8/25/09, prashant yadav <prasu_yadu123 wrote: prashant yadav <prasu_yadu123 [vedic astrology] (unknown) vedic astrology Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 3:45 AM Rescpected Prakash ji Please Suggest me for my future Prashant recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2009 Compatibility Report HIS HER Name : boy girl Date/Time of Birth : 01 Aug 1977 05:10:00 17 Feb 1978 14:05:00 DST Time Correction : 0:00 0:00 Birth City / Place : PUNE, MAHARASHTRA NAGPUR, MAHARASHTRA Country : INDIA INDIA GMT Zone : +5:30 +5:30 Birth Rashi : Aquarius Gemini Birth Star : Dhanishtha 4 Pada Mrugshirsha 3 Pada Birth Moon : Aquarius 05 deg. 27 ' 10 '' Gemini 01 deg. 20 ' 17 '' Compatibility HIS HER Kutas/Gunas/Points Analysis Varna SHUDRAS SHUDRAS 1 / 1 VARNA is for the degree of mutual spiritual development. Vashya Manava Manava 2 / 2 VASHYA indicates the natural mutual attraction for each other. Dina/Tara 1.5 1.5 3 / 3 DINA/TARA indicates the fortune and luck one brings for other. Yoni Simha Sarpa 2 / 4 YONI indicates the mutual physical affinity. Graha Maitri (of Rashi Lords) Rashi Lord: Saturn Rashi Lord: Mercury 4 / 5 GRAHA MAITRI OF RASHI LORDS is for psychic and deep rooted affection for each other. Gana Rakshas Deva 1 / 6 GANA indicates the temperamental compatibility between the partners. Rashi His Rashi: 11 Her Rashi: 3 0 / 7 RASHI works out the overall mutual happiness partners will enjoy. Nadi Madhya Madhya 0 / 8 NADI finds out the biological and physiological compatibility. Total Kutas/Gunas/Points in this case: 13 / 36 CONCLUSION: Compatibility Poor. Birth Particulars A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . , (consultation fees charged for detailed studies) ________________________________ kusum singh <kusumsingh_2005 vedic astrology Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:21:58 PM [vedic astrology] (unknown) Its about arrange marriage. My sister going for arrange marriage and both boy and girl like each other. .But both families are not agree due to kundalis r not matching.Some jyotishi says if they marry then it will destroy their life completly and will affect families a lot. Here is details: BOY: DOB:1-08-1977 TOB:05:10AM POB:pune,INDIA GIRL: DOB:17-02-1978 TOB:02:05PM POB:nagpur,INDIA I know in this group there are many good astrologers who can guide . Pls give your frank opinion. they can go ahead or even split also. THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE. Regards kusum Find top restaurants in your city only on India Local http://in.local. / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Pathiji, With due respect to you, dont you think the Astakoota matching is almost baseless, with your experience of over 40 years?This comment is certainly made without mocking you or your experience. Thank you, Gaurav. vedic astrology , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > > Compatibility Report > > HIS HER > Name : boy girl > Date/Time of Birth : 01 Aug 1977 05:10:00 17 Feb 1978 14:05:00 > DST Time Correction : 0:00 0:00 > Birth City / Place : PUNE, MAHARASHTRA NAGPUR, MAHARASHTRA > Country : INDIA INDIA > GMT Zone : +5:30 +5:30 > Birth Rashi : Aquarius Gemini > Birth Star : Dhanishtha 4 Pada Mrugshirsha 3 Pada > Birth Moon : Aquarius 05 deg. 27 ' 10 '' Gemini 01 deg. 20 ' 17 '' > > Compatibility > HIS HER Kutas/Gunas/Points Analysis > Varna SHUDRAS SHUDRAS 1 / 1 VARNA is for the degree of mutual spiritual development. > > Vashya Manava Manava 2 / 2 VASHYA indicates the natural mutual attraction for each other. > > Dina/Tara 1.5 1.5 3 / 3 DINA/TARA indicates the fortune and luck one brings for other. > > Yoni Simha Sarpa 2 / 4 YONI indicates the mutual physical affinity. > > Graha Maitri (of Rashi Lords) Rashi Lord: Saturn Rashi Lord: Mercury 4 / 5 GRAHA MAITRI OF RASHI LORDS is for psychic and deep rooted affection for each other. > > Gana Rakshas Deva 1 / 6 GANA indicates the temperamental compatibility between the partners. > > Rashi His Rashi: 11 Her Rashi: 3 0 / 7 RASHI works out the overall mutual happiness partners will enjoy. > > Nadi Madhya Madhya 0 / 8 NADI finds out the biological and physiological compatibility. > > Total Kutas/Gunas/Points in this case: 13 / 36 CONCLUSION: Compatibility Poor. > > > Birth Particulars > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . , > (consultation fees charged for detailed studies) > > > > > ________________________________ > kusum singh <kusumsingh_2005 > vedic astrology > Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:21:58 PM > [vedic astrology] (unknown) > > > > Its about arrange marriage. > My sister going for arrange marriage and both boy and girl like each other. ..But both families are not agree due to kundalis r not matching.Some jyotishi says if they marry then it will destroy their life completly and will affect families a lot. > > Here is details: > > BOY: > DOB:1-08-1977 > TOB:05:10AM > POB:pune,INDIA > > GIRL: > DOB:17-02-1978 > TOB:02:05PM > POB:nagpur,INDIA > > I know in this group there are many good astrologers who can guide . Pls give your frank opinion. they can go ahead or even split also. > THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE. > > Regards > kusum > > Find top restaurants in your city only on India Local http://in.local. / > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2009 Dear respected Gaurav ghosh ji, Kindly refer " Jathaka Chandrika " . Over 2 Lakh astrologers in India make a preliminary 'match' with 'Ashtakuda'. When this being a practice for ages, it is difficult to follow and convince other 'routes' to prospects, however best we agree or disagree to this method. Pathi, ________________________________ gaurav.ghosh <gaurav.ghosh vedic astrology Saturday, September 5, 2009 1:58:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: (unknown) ||Jai Ramakrishna| | Dear Pathiji, With due respect to you, dont you think the Astakoota matching is almost baseless, with your experience of over 40 years?This comment is certainly made without mocking you or your experience. Thank you, Gaurav. vedic astrology, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > > Compatibility Report > > HIS HER > Name : boy girl > Date/Time of Birth : 01 Aug 1977 05:10:00 17 Feb 1978 14:05:00 > DST Time Correction : 0:00 0:00 > Birth City / Place : PUNE, MAHARASHTRA NAGPUR, MAHARASHTRA > Country : INDIA INDIA > GMT Zone : +5:30 +5:30 > Birth Rashi : Aquarius Gemini > Birth Star : Dhanishtha 4 Pada Mrugshirsha 3 Pada > Birth Moon : Aquarius 05 deg. 27 ' 10 '' Gemini 01 deg. 20 ' 17 '' > > Compatibility > HIS HER Kutas/Gunas/ Points Analysis > Varna SHUDRAS SHUDRAS 1 / 1 VARNA is for the degree of mutual spiritual development. > > Vashya Manava Manava 2 / 2 VASHYA indicates the natural mutual attraction for each other. > > Dina/Tara 1.5 1.5 3 / 3 DINA/TARA indicates the fortune and luck one brings for other. > > Yoni Simha Sarpa 2 / 4 YONI indicates the mutual physical affinity. > > Graha Maitri (of Rashi Lords) Rashi Lord: Saturn Rashi Lord: Mercury 4 / 5 GRAHA MAITRI OF RASHI LORDS is for psychic and deep rooted affection for each other. > > Gana Rakshas Deva 1 / 6 GANA indicates the temperamental compatibility between the partners. > > Rashi His Rashi: 11 Her Rashi: 3 0 / 7 RASHI works out the overall mutual happiness partners will enjoy. > > Nadi Madhya Madhya 0 / 8 NADI finds out the biological and physiological compatibility. > > Total Kutas/Gunas/ Points in this case: 13 / 36 CONCLUSION: Compatibility Poor. > > > Birth Particulars > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . , > (consultation fees charged for detailed studies) > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > kusum singh <kusumsingh_ 2005 > vedic astrology > Wednesday, September 2, 2009 6:21:58 PM > [vedic astrology] (unknown) > > > > Its about arrange marriage. > My sister going for arrange marriage and both boy and girl like each other. ..But both families are not agree due to kundalis r not matching.Some jyotishi says if they marry then it will destroy their life completly and will affect families a lot. > > Here is details: > > BOY: > DOB:1-08-1977 > TOB:05:10AM > POB:pune,INDIA > > GIRL: > DOB:17-02-1978 > TOB:02:05PM > POB:nagpur,INDIA > > I know in this group there are many good astrologers who can guide . Pls give your frank opinion. they can go ahead or even split also. > THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE. > > Regards > kusum > > Find top restaurants in your city only on India Local http://in.local. / > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2009 Dear Rohini, On the Makar Sankranti day Lord Surya (Sun) comes to the house " Makara " , the owner of which is his hostile son " Shani (Saturn) " but he (Lord Surya) loves his son. It is a great occasion. No ancient lawmaker whether Manu or any other rishi had ever told that Makar Sankranti is to be observed on the Winter solstice day. In matters of eligious festivals we have to look the religious texts, which as Manu says are in line with the Vedas (and not on the Siddhantic texts). Due to Precession there was a time when the Makar Sankranti did coincide with the Winter Solstice and it does not coincide every year.The people who want it to be changed has failed to give any reference to the original dharmashastras so far. That shows that they have some ulterior motives. Now coming to Lord Rama's birth date there has been some confusion but there was no dispute regarding when His birthday is to be observed every year. One can clearly see from the Balakanda data that Lord Rama was born in the Shukla Navami of the Chaitra month and why should anybody complain. When Lord Rama was born the Sun was in arond 27 degrees in the Mina Rashi and that was a Shukla Navami day. That means the Purnima occurred when the Sun went to around 3 degrees of the Mesha Rashi. For the Purnima to occur the Moon has to be away from the Sun by 180 degrees and was in the Chitra Nakshatra. Thus the month was Purnimanta Chaitra month. Some peoplewant to confuse the issue by talking about ayanamsha corrections etc. which are not applicable in the times of Lord Rama as people directly observed the true locations of the grahas in the sky. Taking Ramanam on one hand and on the other hand trying to create confusion regarding his birth celebrations. Sime people say Mangal, Shani etc, are not there in the Veda but did they tell you that the Surya, Chandra, Rahu / Kertu , the Brihspati etc. grahas are there in Veda. Just because they could not locate the other grahas they just bluff. Do they know what purana says regarding the Vedic name of Shukra? These ignorant people are viciating the atmosphere and want to create trouble for the astrologers. They are lucky as the Hindus are tolerant. I shudder to thonk what would have been their fate if they would have dared to create such issues anywhere else. He calls astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are cheaters at the same time he boasts about his maternal grandfather. He says his maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century and that he used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! and that to the best of his knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! Is Astrology is bunkum and the astrologers are cheaters does it not make his grandfather also a cheater. He also says that according to Manu the astrologer are low class people and then that applies to his grandfather as well. In Hindi there is a saying " Jis thalime------ " and I hope yoi have heard this. He became a member of the astrology forum to criticise astrology and that too without any real basis in stead of helping the cause of astrology.. Ask him to show proof of all that he says and he will ask for time and will never come back. Three years ago I asked him a few questions when wewere in the " Hinducivilization " group and he wanted time, but in these three years he could not reply. In other forums also he did that. I have seen destructive people a few in number and Shri Kaul definitely heads the list. He has no respect for facts. By hook or crook he wants to win but will tell you that he is open to correction. Ask him if in these few decades any of his views changed. None. He is replaying the same old record every now and then and never gave any proof of what he says. There was a scientist (I am not getting his name at this time) in Germany who used to criticise all top notch scientists and at the end he committed suicide because he realised that he had not contribute anything. He spent his life criticizing others. I feel pity for him but still admire him as at least he realised his folly. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani (unknown) Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear Mr. Kaul, I posted a response to your post regarding my agreement and one disagreement with your long post, but it was blocked. We must respect the wisdom etc of the moderation process. Just wanted you to know that I was not being rude towards you by seemingly remaining non-responsive! Apparent vs Real is a beautiful consideration in Jyotish (the padas etc.) RR_ , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohini Ranjan, > Jai Shri Ram! > > < Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to > someone else who is using your identity and name ...> > > " jyotirved " is my email id. My full name is Avtar krishen Kaul. I was born > in Srinagar, Kashmir, and have been living in Delhi for quite some time > now. > > <It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or > do not manage to do!> > > As you must have observed from some of my posts, my main, rather the only, > grouse against " Vedic astrology " is that it has rent us asunder from the > real Vedic culture/ethos by " advising us " either directly or indirectly, to > believe in Stars and non-existent rashi divisions or Mangal, Shani etc. > inanimate planets. On top of it, it has made us forget Udagayana etc. four > cardinal points of the phenomenon of seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve > Vedic months, with the result that we celebrate a non-existent Makar > Sankranti--- some " Vedic astrologers " want us to celebrate Lahiri Makar > Sankranti, others want us to celebrate Ramana Makar Sankranti, still others > a Muladhara Makara Sankranti, and still others Fagan Makar Sankranti and > till others Raivatapaksha Makar Sankranti and so on. Same is the case with > all the other Sankrantis! As on date, our " sankrantis " have been advanced > by 24 days. After a few centuries, they will get advanced by at least one > month and a time may come, when we will celebrate thess so called nirayana > Makar Sankrantis on the day of Dakshinayana! > > This has resulted in all the festivals like navaratras, dipavali, holi, > dashahra etc. etc. and the muhurtas also having become topsy-turvy! These > days we are celebrating Rama-Navmi (the janma tithi of Bhagwan Ram) not in > the month of Madhu, but Madhava! Vasanti Navratras start when the first > month of Vasanta Ritu i.e. Madhu is already over. There are several other > similar anachronisms! > > It may appear from the above para that I am advocating a so called Sayana > Rashichakra for our festivals and fairs. Initially, I had gained an > impression that the Vedas are talking of a so called Sayana zodiac, but in > spite of my best efforts and in spite of my going through all the four > Vedas and the Vedangas assiduously with a tooth comb, I could not find Any > Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis nor Mangal, Shani etc. planets there! > > Even if we concede the point for the sake of argument that some people have > " visualized " Mesha etc. Rashis through their tapasya or parokshya knowledge > in some of the Vedas, it is common knowledge that festivals and fairs and > muhurtas being down to earth geographical phenomena are not calculated > through parokshya knowledge, least of all are horoscopes prepared from any > parokshya knowledge! For that purpose we need data from JPL/NASA, and not > parokshya-walas. Then about parokshya knowledge, nobody is sure whether > he/she visualized the so called Sayana Rashis or the so called nirayana > rashis through their tapasya etc. in the Vedas, because different people > make different types of claims! > > Then again, if the parokshyawalas visualized nirayana rashis, it is again a > moot point as to what their ayanamsha is---Lahiri or Raman or Muladhara etc. > etc.---- and why! > > If we go by the Puranas, it will be clear from a document " BVB6 " , which I am > posting separately that all of them have advocated a so called Sayana > Rashichakra for our festivals and muhurtas and not any Lahiri or Ramana etc. > rashichakra, which means that we are celebrating all the festivals not only > against the Vedic canons but even against the Pauranic lore! All in the > name of " Vedic astrology " ! > > < I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn > jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at > all during your testing. > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience?> > Regarding my personal experiences about jyotisha, my maternal grandfather > was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri > in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century. He used to prepare horoscopes > from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on > Grahalaghava! To the best of my knowledge, none of his predictions ever > failed! > > But that does not mean that Grahalaghava is one of the most accurate > karana-granthas! It is actually the most inaccurate --- as inaccurate as > the Surya Sidhanta---astronom ical work and is the main culprit for spreading > the so called nirayana mayhem in India! > > I have been personally to Brighu Samhita walas in Jullundur and Dasuva in > Punjab; Aruna Samhita-wala in Delhi and have attended quite a few jyotisha > sammelans. The predictions of Brighu and Aruna etc. Samhitas were anything > but correct! It was all a guess work in the name of Maharshi Brighu and > Aruna the charioteer of Surya Bhagwan! So the less said about them the > better! Same was the case about bhavishyavanis of other jyotishis--- to whom > I had been " incognito " Their predictions were fifty-fifty! ! > > I had been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for > several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one > of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, > and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra > Saraswati himself! > > But my predictions having proved correct in no way means that phalita > jyotisha is a science or it is approved by shastras! > > <Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too > many details in your first post to us.> > > I admire the courage of the moderator/owner of this () forum, > who is allowing such " blasphemous " posts to appear in a " jyotihsgroup " . If > you want a complete picture I would suggest you to join > > http://groups. / group/hinducalen dar > > I may mention here that I am just a learner---a student---and do keep on > changing my views, if they are proved to be incongruent with astronomical or > shastraic facts. Posts to that forum are not moderated and whatever > contrarian views are posted there, they are thoroughly evaluated and all > the pros and cons taken into consideration by several members. Till date > nobody has been removed from that forum because his/her views were contrary > to mine or some other member's. On the other hand, very often an additional > point of view was added to the gamut of calendar making because of > contrarian views. > > Jai Shri Ram. > > A K Kaul > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Kaul, > > > > Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to > someone else who is using your identity and name ... > > > > It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do > or do not manage to do! > > > > I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn > jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at > all during your testing. > > > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience? > > > > If, yes, then I would love to hear your personal experiences and perhaps > you can summarize your experience in a post for my and other interested > people's benefit, if you wish. > > > > Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give > too many details in your first post to us. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " jyotirved " jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > Sheri G. Balasumbamanianji, > > > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > < Why could not even a single astrologer predict the correct timing of > > > marriage or declare that there is no marriage for her in this birth. I > > > want an answer from those who run after astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I have stopped running after astrologers since long, but I can > > > venture to answer your question: NO ASTROLOGER HAS BEEN ABLE TO MAKE > > > CORRECT PREDICTION IN THE CASE OF YOUR DAUGHTER BECAUSE YOU MUST HAVE > GIVEN > > > THEM THE CORRECT DATA IN THE FORM OF HER DATE AND TIME OF BIRTH ETC. > > > > > > It may be news to you, but astrologers, whether " Vedic " or " non-Vedic " > or > > > " anti-Vedic " , can make correct predictions only and only from incorrect > > > data! Just see the prowess of the " greatest astrologer of the last two > > > thousand years " viz. Varahamihira! He could write " masterpieces " of > > > astrology like Brihat Jatakam and Brihat Samhita etc. etc. after having > made > > > correct predictions from the most monstrous astronomical work, viz. the > > > Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha! > > > > > > Similarly, you can go through " Notable Horoscopes " by the " greatest > > > astrologer of the twentieth century " viz. Dr. B. V. Raman! All the > hundred > > > or so charts, including that of his own and his " better half " in that > work, > > > are absolutely wrong! But even then he is supposed to have made correct > > > predictions from those very incorrect charts not only for himself and > his > > > spouse, but also for Bhagwan Krishna, Gautama the Budha, Jagadguru > (Aadi) > > > Shankaracharya, Guru Nanak etc. etc. > > > > > > Thus in future, if you want really any correct predictions from " Vedic > > > astrologers " just given them some imaginary data, and they will erect an > > > imaginary horoscope with imaginary rashichakra and imaginary ayanamsha > and > > > imaginary dasha-bhukti etc. etc. and lo and behold, you will get correct > > > predictions! The only condition is that they will not tell you as to > when > > > those predictions will materialize! > > > > > > The net result of all these " correct predictions " has been that we are > > > celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! As such, we > > > really do not need enemies to ruin our dharma since our friendly " Vedic > > > astrologers " are doing that job in a magnificent manner! > > > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > USBrahmins@gro ups.com, G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > I want to share my personal experience with Astrological predictions. I > > > have consulted more than 150 Astrologers located between Kanyakumari to > > > Kashmir over a period of 12-15 years. Almost all of them predicted the > > > time of marriage of my daughter. The time of marriage was different and > > > widely varying from Astrologer. As per the predictions of majority of > > > Astrologers, my daughter should have got married some 11 years back. The > > > dates indicated by the remaining astrologers have also not materialised > and > > > till this date she remains unmarried. Why could not even a single > astrologer > > > predict the correct timing of marriage or declare that there is no > marriage > > > for her in this birth. I want an answer from those who run after > > > astrologers. > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Gmail-Jayashree <ramajaya1@> > > > USBrahmins@gro ups.com > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 1:58:00 AM > > > [uSBrahmins] Answer for the Horoscope queerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2010 Dear Naina Currently u r under rahu maha dasha which will last till jan 2022. Hence u should be prepared have a tough time till that time period. U should also be prepared to expect delay in ur marriage, u may also fall in love which can be a failure, Yes if u tread carefully, have a positive outlook and be prepared for any unforeseen contingencies, u will be able to wade ur way and overcome the depressing state u r going through. Gemstone supports does help natives in overcoming the problems in life, but faith is also required. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Subscribe on this link <http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies> http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to <haresh1405/hareshgnathani haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 Skype id haree14 vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of naina Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:02 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] (unknown) Dear all: I have been going through quite a tough time recently and so i would like to know about my life. when will i get married, how will my partner be like..will i have a good married life. will i have good health? if not what problems? will i have a good future and sucess in my job what gems should i wear ? my details are: dob: 6/6/1986 time of birth: 9.50am place of birth:london my lagna is cancer ( as you take 1 hour out for daylight saving) i would be so grateful for any responses thankyou naina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Namaste Gurujis, Is there any mention in our shastras of Vedic astrology about the use of swastik symbol. Can anybody explian the importance of swastic symbol. Thanks Praveen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2010 Dear Rohini ji Vinay ji has given a nice reading and I appreciate that. He is quite right in his analysis. Also I have noticed how some people are trying some political propaganda against him and that is most ignorant of them. Vinay ji, if you are reading this - Just ignore these kinds of propaganda as your work speaks for itself. Of course I wonder how much of this I can also use for myself ! Best Regards Sanjay rohinicrystal Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:16 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] (unknown) Dear Vinay_jee, I am assuming that you had warned him about all these things long ago, privately or publicly? Peace! Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To Mr Vinay69 : > > Sanjay Ji has svagrihi lords of lagna, dasham, ekaadash, and twelfth, which gave him much money and fame. Svagrihi Jupiter also has fast-friendly 52' aspect on 5th, and svagrihi Saturn has neutral 36' aspect on 5th, which enabled him to master a good deal of traditional knowledge. But according to Kundalee Software, he entered into Mercury Mahaa-dashaa after mid-1998 and Mercury is in 6th. This is one reason of his problems. Another reason is Sun and Venus in 5th : Sun is lord of 6th and Venus of 3rd and 8th , which make them malefics for 5th. Moreover, Venus is in bitter enemy's house in 5th. Third factor is lord of 5th Moon in 12th. > > D24 has excellent Saturn in moolatrikona, sitting in 11th house and aspecting 5th, but Mercury is lord of 3 and 6 and therefore malefic. Hence, when Mercury's mahaadashaa started on 23rd July 1998, his knowledge took a bad turn. > > -Vinay Jha > ========================= ===== > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Four points: > > > > (1) I gave my observations honestly. But, for all you know, my views may or may not be perfect. Other people who also have a lot of experience with him may, for all you know, disagree with me. > > > > (2) It will be very crude and unethical to use our limited knowledge of astrology to justify our views in matters like this. If history makes a judgment on this in future and/or creates a distance between us and these happenings, THEN it may be acceptable to analyze them astrologically. > > > > (3) Sanjay ji is a man with some good knowledge. If he is honest about what is from parampara and what are his ideas and enables intelligent youngsters to do unbiased research (instead of jumping to hasty conclusions, teaching that as parampara knowledge and making it into a cult), he may still make a positive difference. In the beginning, he had honesty and spirit of truth. He was quite honest with me about many things he was unsure of and asked me to investigate (e.g. solar vs soli-lunar months in TP). He changed. But he is basically a good man and wants the knowledge of rishis to triumph in the world, just as I do. I do not like to write anyone off in my book. Everyone has many choices in front of one at all times, whether one sees them or not. I do not control the choices others make and also I do not like to prejudge the choices they may make in future. > > > > (4) I haven't " dissociated " with Sanjay ji. How can one dissociate with someone who gave one some useful knowledge and who inspired one to do an important good karma (giving JHora to the world)? I have merely stated what I honestly believe to be the truth, for the benefit of other students and community. Simply a new event occurred in our " association " . > > > > Arjuna may have fired arrows at Drona or even killed him. But would he say " I dissociated with Drona " ? The association/relationship of a teacher-student is permanent. > > > > * * * > > > > JHora uses yyyy-mm-dd format to stay neutral to Indo-European (dd-mm-yyyy) and American (mm-dd-yyyy) styles and also to be logical (Y > M > D). I will consider adding an option in a future release. But this request is too late for the 7.4 release which is going to happen very soon. The beta version is under testing in the jhora and the official release is only days away. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > , Vinay Kumar <vinay69@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > I think you are true to your heart and mind in whatever you say and > > > practice. I have been following your writings closely and must say you have > > > contributed some genuine original stuff that is a result of your laborious > > > research. Please continue and I see you right there it to the top rung of > > > astrologers in the next decade. > > > > > > Thinking of your dissociation with Sri Sanjay-ji, in your opinion, what > > > astrological factors in his horoscope do you think makes him propound > > > jyotish knowledge that you think is incorrect or corrupted knowledge? I mean > > > when we disucss jyotish, this has to show in the dashas and bukthis or > > > other factors in his horoscope. > > > > > > I have another question regarding JHora. In the Dasas Tab for starting and > > > ending dates is is possible to get dd-mm-yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd format? > > > I tried the preferences tab (related to display) but could not find the > > > option to change this. If this is not available I suggest you include it in > > > your next release, I really prefer to see the Indian date format which I > > > have always been used to. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Vinay > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > Sanjay did not seem to have any knowledge of Parampara. > > > > > > > > There is some genuine uncommon knowledge taught by Sanjay ji. For example, > > > > Tithi Pravesha works very well. Of course, it may be imperfect (e.g. solar > > > > vs soli-lunar issue I mentioned before), but it works quite well. As it is > > > > not found in any books or classics and as there weren't too many people who > > > > used it before he popularized it, it is reasonable to assume that Sanjay ji > > > > did know some secrets. But the quality of his teachings is quite erratic and > > > > non-uniform. I disagree with you regarding Parampara and stand by my reading > > > > of the situation as described in the mail below. > > > > > > > > Namaste Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > that > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > It is interesting that Sri K.N. Rao should be interested in my horoscope. > > > > Please convey my regards to him. > > > > > > > > However, it is not factually correct to say that I " came out " NOW. I first > > > > communicated with Sanjay ji in late 1997 and became his student in spring > > > > 1998. I learnt some good knowledge in the next few years. As Sanjay ji > > > > maintains an air of " there is more to this, but I will teach it later " , you > > > > keep giving him the benefit of doubt. I started noticing inconsistencies in > > > > his knowledge and started questioning him, as soon as 2001-2002. I > > > > maintained intellectual independence in all public exchanges. From 2004, I > > > > gave up on Sanjay ji. I convinced myself that I am dealing with highly > > > > corrupted knowledge that also contains some gems and started independent > > > > research to sort things. My intention was to clean up the mess while > > > > remaining within his organization. During 2005-2006, I nearly gave up > > > > astrology as my mind was drawn towards god. After the seed for the " do homam > > > > yourself " movement was sown in 2006, I was back to astrology seriously. I > > > > vigorously pursued independent astrology research in 2006-2009, without any > > > > expectations and with a much calmer frame of mind. Some of the findings are > > > > shared, some are in the pipeline and some need to be perfected still. > > > > > > > > However, I still did not come clean with my honest opinions on Sanjay ji to > > > > caution other students. My spiritual master asked me to stand for truth > > > > without fear and not tolerate dishonesty. He wisely wondered if fear of > > > > offending teacher and creating confusion in people's mind by rocking the > > > > applecart were the only considerations in my mind or if I was also > > > > sub-consciously concerned about losing something by being truthful and going > > > > against them. He reminded me that we come with nothing and go with nothing > > > > and why should we fear anything or seek anything. He told me to be truthful > > > > and honest and do my dharma sincerely. It slowly sunk in. From 2007-2008, I > > > > started hinting at Sanjay ji's dishonesty and misrepresentations publicly. > > > > > > > > Thus, my " coming out " started long back and has been unfolding slowly. As > > > > far as Jyotish knowledge is concerned, I've been on my own for several years > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > that > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > A journey of 17 years through the long-winded tunnel! But the intelligent > > > > > enigma has dug really deep and collected much wealth to start afresh! I > > > > > appreciate his knowledge and scientific probes which he shares freely, > > > > not > > > > > to mention the great service done through JHora. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to Narsimha ji. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > On 4 March 2010 10:33, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes and my acquaintance with Sanjay is > > > > concerned > > > > > > (when he was working in Delhi at Krishi Bhawan), Sanjay did not seem to > > > > have > > > > > > any knowledge of Parampara. His uncles (both paternal and maternal) did > > > > not > > > > > > even consult him astrologically then. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr%40charter.net>> > > > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic-astrolo\ gy% > > > > 40>; > > > > > > <%40><% > > > > 40>; > > > > > > JyotishWritings <JyotishWritings%40><JyotishWritings% > > > > 40>; > > > > > > jhora <jhora%40> <jhora% > > > > 40> > > > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 11:54:44 PM > > > > > > Too many options in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contradictions seem to be too many. First it was sudasa, > > > > > > > now it is kalachakra dasa. It is far too confusing. Just like > > > > > > > you added options for Chara dasa( K N Rao, Rangacharya method) > > > > > > > etc, i guess you can make it KCD Rath, and KCD Narasimha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sudasa, Sanjay ji kept changing the definition everytime > > > > we > > > > > > met for a conference. First, I assumed he was testing us and wanted us > > > > to > > > > > > figure out what is correct. Later, I concluded that he himself is not > > > > sure. > > > > > > However, my belief is that he received some knowledge in the parampara > > > > > > regarding Sudasa, which did not stick with him perfectly and hence the > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of KCD, I am quite sure Sanjay ji does not have any secrets > > > > > > from parampara. He told me several times that he relied on *me* to > > > > crack the > > > > > > KCD and ashtakavarga puzzles. He was very excited when I revealed the > > > > basic > > > > > > KCD idea to him. I am afraid he simply hijacked what I shared with him > > > > and > > > > > > what I later wrote as a paper in our joint names and running with it > > > > now. > > > > > > The only thing I do not know is by how much exactly he changed what he > > > > > > hijacked and how badly it deviates from Parasara in areas where > > > > Parasara is > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has some good knowledge from parampara, but, having seen him > > > > > > closely, I am afraid he got addicted to the adulation he received from > > > > the > > > > > > community for those secrets. After he ran out of genuine parampara > > > > secrets, > > > > > > I am afraid he started *manufacturing* " parampara secrets " > > > > irresponsibly. If > > > > > > a good researcher disguised his researches as parampara secrets, it > > > > would've > > > > > > been less disastrous. But, unfortunately, Sanjay ji is the worst > > > > researcher > > > > > > I have seen. He has a highly intuitive mind that can think of so many > > > > things > > > > > > and connect them in all kinds of ways. Unfortunately, he jumps to > > > > serious > > > > > > conclusions at the drop of a hat, without any logic or practical > > > > testing. > > > > > > Even in practical testing, he uses such highly flexible and vague logic > > > > that > > > > > > he can justify any result with any astrological factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Somebody who would be really really good at coming up with *ideas* for > > > > > > research is unfortunately presenting those raw ideas by sometimes > > > > explicitly > > > > > > and sometimes implicitly representing them as the wisdom of a glorious > > > > > > parampara. I've seen this closely for a long time. Sanjay ji > > > > revolutionized > > > > > > Jyotish when he came, but he has been corrupting the subject badly for > > > > > > several years now. > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant to say the above in such blunt words for a long time now, but I > > > > > > could not and I kept beating around the bush. Until the day I could not > > > > say > > > > > > it without even a little anger or frustration in my heart, I did not > > > > want to > > > > > > use such blunt language. Thanks to the grace of my spiritual master, I > > > > am > > > > > > today able to say the above without a trace of frustration or anger in > > > > my > > > > > > heart and in the same way I may state routine observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in other options, maybe they need to be separated clearly so as > > > > to > > > > > > avoid confusions for novices like me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora has hundreds of options because we are unsure of so many things. > > > > We > > > > > > are groping in the dark. Of course, some people may be glorifying and > > > > even > > > > > > *selling* that darkness, but that means nothing to me. As a reasonably > > > > > > intelligent and conscientious pursuer of Truth, I do know the > > > > difference > > > > > > between light and darkness. I do know the light we have in the room is > > > > > > slowly growing, but I also know that it is still relatively dark. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers are used to seeing any shapes they want in clouds. What we > > > > need > > > > > > is quantifiable, measurable and objective rules and methods and > > > > impassioned > > > > > > search for truth by people who do not have a conflict of interest. My > > > > > > personal belief is that we will make great progress over the next > > > > decade and > > > > > > there will be more light in the field of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > The seed was sown by Dr B.V. Raman, who wrote many books on astrology > > > > in > > > > > > English and brought the subject to mainstream intelligentsia. Sri K.N. > > > > Rao > > > > > > did yeoman service by taking a stand on ayanamsa and bringing the focus > > > > to > > > > > > divisional charts etc and the seed became a plant. Pt Sanjay Rath took > > > > the > > > > > > focus back to the works of maharshis like Parasara and Jaimini and > > > > brought > > > > > > several restricted parameters into the mainstream. However, as the > > > > plant > > > > > > grew big, a lot of large weeds came up around the plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > The hundreds of options in JHora are partly reflective of the weeds we > > > > > > have. We need to remove weeds and let the plant grow nicely into a > > > > tree. > > > > > > However, it has to be done carefully. It will be a shame if the actual > > > > plant > > > > > > is hurt instead of the weeds. JHora and our understanding of the > > > > knowledge > > > > > > of rishis will continue to evolve for some more years. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Srivastava, > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/ assume. > > > > Page > > > > > > 11 OF > > > > > > > his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar has > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted " dasa sequence " , deha and jeeva for > > > > all > > > > > > savya > > > > > > > and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any > > > > > > scholar.BTW > > > > > > > how you could get this information that he taught this sequence for > > > > > > jyeshta > > > > > > > 4 th pada ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please scroll down to the end of this mail. Sanjay ji's original mail > > > > is > > > > > > enclosed. He wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. > > > > > > <deleted> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... " > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th pada, JHora gives Sg, Sc, Li, ..., Ta, Ar just as > > > > taught > > > > > > by Parasara and yet Sanjay ji faulted JHora and mentioned something > > > > else > > > > > > ( " Pi-Ar-... " ) as the " correct order " . So I am assuming that there is > > > > no > > > > > > typo here and that he is consciously teaching knowledge that violates > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with > > > > > > free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings > > > > are > > > > > > WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, .... > > > > for > > > > > > Jyeshtha 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara > > > > left > > > > > > ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have > > > > enough > > > > > > confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was > > > > different > > > > > > from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He > > > > did > > > > > > not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to > > > > JHora if > > > > > > he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were > > > > willing to > > > > > > buy the CD and listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from > > > > an > > > > > > old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my > > > > house > > > > > > in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada > > > > > > unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result > > > > in > > > > > > dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord > > > > Shiva, > > > > > > who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair > > > > in > > > > > > savya and apasavya chakras! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, > > > > Vi, > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be > > > > " Li, Vi, > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap > > > > (Ge->Cp) > > > > > > not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is > > > > to > > > > > > NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to > > > > > > Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, > > > > Le, Ge, > > > > > > [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, > > > > Aq " . > > > > > > This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces > > > > > > mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva > > > > and > > > > > > Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit > > > > verses) > > > > > > was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle > > > > as > > > > > > people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next > > > > cycle, > > > > > > but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding > > > > antardasas > > > > > > from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one > > > > level > > > > > > down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and > > > > yet > > > > > > elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa > > > > pairs > > > > > > that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure > > > > behind > > > > > > the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he > > > > exclaimed > > > > > > that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very > > > > quickly). He > > > > > > asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC > > > > > > conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the > > > > > > apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to > > > > wait. > > > > > > I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a > > > > paper, but > > > > > > it seems like he changed things later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by > > > > > > Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so > > > > that > > > > > > they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or > > > > dasa-antardasa > > > > > > pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given > > > > by > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa > > > > > > sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be > > > > deduced. > > > > > > You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be > > > > correct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it > > > > > > against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want > > > > to > > > > > > invest their time on those wrong teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to > > > > > > JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and > > > > has > > > > > > no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to > > > > see > > > > > > exactly what he taught. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com <swami. > > > > rcs%40gmail. > > > > > > com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per > > > > these > > > > > > teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by > > > > Guruji. > > > > > > In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RCS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > 40. > > > > > > com> [jhora <jhora% <jhora%25><jhora%25>40. com> ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > 40. > > > > > > > > > > com> ; JyotishWritings < > > > > JyotishWritings%40grou <JyotishWritings%2540grou> > > > > > > ps.com> ; vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% > > > > > > 40. com> ; < > > > > %40 <%2540>. com> > > > > > > > > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a > > > > > > previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was > > > > > > still wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's > > > > > > complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If > > > > you > > > > > > select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations > > > > > > given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, > > > > Cn, > > > > > > Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches > > > > what > > > > > > Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be > > > > > > " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with > > > > > > Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper > > > > at > > > > > > the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our > > > > > > combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with > > > > > > Parasara's teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other > > > > methods, > > > > > > please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th > > > > pada > > > > > > is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the > > > > dasa > > > > > > cycles taught by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora > > > > match > > > > > > the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except > > > > of > > > > > > course the Raghavacharya method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between > > > > various > > > > > > methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in > > > > how > > > > > > dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya > > > > method is > > > > > > the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa > > > > cycles > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine > > > > navamsas > > > > > > starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is > > > > > > chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various > > > > > > nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various > > > > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed > > > > > > sequences listed by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please > > > > note > > > > > > the setting mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% <sohamsa%25><sohamsa%25>40. com> < > > > > > > sohamsa% <sohamsa%25> 40. com> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and > > > > found to > > > > > > my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation > > > > given > > > > > > in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and > > > > don't > > > > > > ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have > > > > > > checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get > > > > your > > > > > > copy from www.vedicsoftware. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we > > > > use > > > > > > full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get > > > > > > Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra > > > > paper/slides I > > > > > > used in London > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > > > om gurave namah Dear Jaya Bharati Regards ~ Sanjay Rath http://srath.cpm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2010 Yes Sanjay_ji -- it is very unfortunate that politics has entered the Temples of Jyotish. Regards, RR_, vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji > Vinay ji has given a nice reading and I appreciate that. He is quite right in his analysis. > Also I have noticed how some people are trying some political propaganda against him and that is most ignorant of them. > Vinay ji, if you are reading this - Just ignore these kinds of propaganda as your work speaks for itself. Of course I wonder how much of this I can also use for myself ! > Best Regards > Sanjay > > > rohinicrystal > Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:16 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] (unknown) > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > I am assuming that you had warned him about all these things long ago, privately or publicly? > > Peace! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > To Mr Vinay69 : > > > > Sanjay Ji has svagrihi lords of lagna, dasham, ekaadash, and twelfth, which gave him much money and fame. Svagrihi Jupiter also has fast-friendly 52' aspect on 5th, and svagrihi Saturn has neutral 36' aspect on 5th, which enabled him to master a good deal of traditional knowledge. But according to Kundalee Software, he entered into Mercury Mahaa-dashaa after mid-1998 and Mercury is in 6th. This is one reason of his problems. Another reason is Sun and Venus in 5th : Sun is lord of 6th and Venus of 3rd and 8th , which make them malefics for 5th. Moreover, Venus is in bitter enemy's house in 5th. Third factor is lord of 5th Moon in 12th. > > > > D24 has excellent Saturn in moolatrikona, sitting in 11th house and aspecting 5th, but Mercury is lord of 3 and 6 and therefore malefic. Hence, when Mercury's mahaadashaa started on 23rd July 1998, his knowledge took a bad turn. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ========================= ===== > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Four points: > > > > > > (1) I gave my observations honestly. But, for all you know, my views may or may not be perfect. Other people who also have a lot of experience with him may, for all you know, disagree with me. > > > > > > (2) It will be very crude and unethical to use our limited knowledge of astrology to justify our views in matters like this. If history makes a judgment on this in future and/or creates a distance between us and these happenings, THEN it may be acceptable to analyze them astrologically. > > > > > > (3) Sanjay ji is a man with some good knowledge. If he is honest about what is from parampara and what are his ideas and enables intelligent youngsters to do unbiased research (instead of jumping to hasty conclusions, teaching that as parampara knowledge and making it into a cult), he may still make a positive difference. In the beginning, he had honesty and spirit of truth. He was quite honest with me about many things he was unsure of and asked me to investigate (e.g. solar vs soli-lunar months in TP). He changed. But he is basically a good man and wants the knowledge of rishis to triumph in the world, just as I do. I do not like to write anyone off in my book. Everyone has many choices in front of one at all times, whether one sees them or not. I do not control the choices others make and also I do not like to prejudge the choices they may make in future. > > > > > > (4) I haven't " dissociated " with Sanjay ji. How can one dissociate with someone who gave one some useful knowledge and who inspired one to do an important good karma (giving JHora to the world)? I have merely stated what I honestly believe to be the truth, for the benefit of other students and community. Simply a new event occurred in our " association " . > > > > > > Arjuna may have fired arrows at Drona or even killed him. But would he say " I dissociated with Drona " ? The association/relationship of a teacher-student is permanent. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > JHora uses yyyy-mm-dd format to stay neutral to Indo-European (dd-mm-yyyy) and American (mm-dd-yyyy) styles and also to be logical (Y > M > D). I will consider adding an option in a future release. But this request is too late for the 7.4 release which is going to happen very soon. The beta version is under testing in the jhora and the official release is only days away. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Spirituality: > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > , Vinay Kumar <vinay69@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > > > I think you are true to your heart and mind in whatever you say and > > > > practice. I have been following your writings closely and must say you have > > > > contributed some genuine original stuff that is a result of your laborious > > > > research. Please continue and I see you right there it to the top rung of > > > > astrologers in the next decade. > > > > > > > > Thinking of your dissociation with Sri Sanjay-ji, in your opinion, what > > > > astrological factors in his horoscope do you think makes him propound > > > > jyotish knowledge that you think is incorrect or corrupted knowledge? I mean > > > > when we disucss jyotish, this has to show in the dashas and bukthis or > > > > other factors in his horoscope. > > > > > > > > I have another question regarding JHora. In the Dasas Tab for starting and > > > > ending dates is is possible to get dd-mm-yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd format? > > > > I tried the preferences tab (related to display) but could not find the > > > > option to change this. If this is not available I suggest you include it in > > > > your next release, I really prefer to see the Indian date format which I > > > > have always been used to. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay did not seem to have any knowledge of Parampara. > > > > > > > > > > There is some genuine uncommon knowledge taught by Sanjay ji. For example, > > > > > Tithi Pravesha works very well. Of course, it may be imperfect (e.g. solar > > > > > vs soli-lunar issue I mentioned before), but it works quite well. As it is > > > > > not found in any books or classics and as there weren't too many people who > > > > > used it before he popularized it, it is reasonable to assume that Sanjay ji > > > > > did know some secrets. But the quality of his teachings is quite erratic and > > > > > non-uniform. I disagree with you regarding Parampara and stand by my reading > > > > > of the situation as described in the mail below. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting that Sri K.N. Rao should be interested in my horoscope. > > > > > Please convey my regards to him. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is not factually correct to say that I " came out " NOW. I first > > > > > communicated with Sanjay ji in late 1997 and became his student in spring > > > > > 1998. I learnt some good knowledge in the next few years. As Sanjay ji > > > > > maintains an air of " there is more to this, but I will teach it later " , you > > > > > keep giving him the benefit of doubt. I started noticing inconsistencies in > > > > > his knowledge and started questioning him, as soon as 2001-2002. I > > > > > maintained intellectual independence in all public exchanges. From 2004, I > > > > > gave up on Sanjay ji. I convinced myself that I am dealing with highly > > > > > corrupted knowledge that also contains some gems and started independent > > > > > research to sort things. My intention was to clean up the mess while > > > > > remaining within his organization. During 2005-2006, I nearly gave up > > > > > astrology as my mind was drawn towards god. After the seed for the " do homam > > > > > yourself " movement was sown in 2006, I was back to astrology seriously. I > > > > > vigorously pursued independent astrology research in 2006-2009, without any > > > > > expectations and with a much calmer frame of mind. Some of the findings are > > > > > shared, some are in the pipeline and some need to be perfected still. > > > > > > > > > > However, I still did not come clean with my honest opinions on Sanjay ji to > > > > > caution other students. My spiritual master asked me to stand for truth > > > > > without fear and not tolerate dishonesty. He wisely wondered if fear of > > > > > offending teacher and creating confusion in people's mind by rocking the > > > > > applecart were the only considerations in my mind or if I was also > > > > > sub-consciously concerned about losing something by being truthful and going > > > > > against them. He reminded me that we come with nothing and go with nothing > > > > > and why should we fear anything or seek anything. He told me to be truthful > > > > > and honest and do my dharma sincerely. It slowly sunk in. From 2007-2008, I > > > > > started hinting at Sanjay ji's dishonesty and misrepresentations publicly. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, my " coming out " started long back and has been unfolding slowly. As > > > > > far as Jyotish knowledge is concerned, I've been on my own for several years > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > A journey of 17 years through the long-winded tunnel! But the intelligent > > > > > > enigma has dug really deep and collected much wealth to start afresh! I > > > > > > appreciate his knowledge and scientific probes which he shares freely, > > > > > not > > > > > > to mention the great service done through JHora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to Narsimha ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 March 2010 10:33, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes and my acquaintance with Sanjay is > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > (when he was working in Delhi at Krishi Bhawan), Sanjay did not seem to > > > > > have > > > > > > > any knowledge of Parampara. His uncles (both paternal and maternal) did > > > > > not > > > > > > > even consult him astrologically then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr%40charter.net>> > > > > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic-astrolo\ gy% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > JyotishWritings <JyotishWritings%40><JyotishWritings% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > jhora <jhora%40> <jhora% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 11:54:44 PM > > > > > > > Too many options in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contradictions seem to be too many. First it was sudasa, > > > > > > > > now it is kalachakra dasa. It is far too confusing. Just like > > > > > > > > you added options for Chara dasa( K N Rao, Rangacharya method) > > > > > > > > etc, i guess you can make it KCD Rath, and KCD Narasimha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sudasa, Sanjay ji kept changing the definition everytime > > > > > we > > > > > > > met for a conference. First, I assumed he was testing us and wanted us > > > > > to > > > > > > > figure out what is correct. Later, I concluded that he himself is not > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > However, my belief is that he received some knowledge in the parampara > > > > > > > regarding Sudasa, which did not stick with him perfectly and hence the > > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of KCD, I am quite sure Sanjay ji does not have any secrets > > > > > > > from parampara. He told me several times that he relied on *me* to > > > > > crack the > > > > > > > KCD and ashtakavarga puzzles. He was very excited when I revealed the > > > > > basic > > > > > > > KCD idea to him. I am afraid he simply hijacked what I shared with him > > > > > and > > > > > > > what I later wrote as a paper in our joint names and running with it > > > > > now. > > > > > > > The only thing I do not know is by how much exactly he changed what he > > > > > > > hijacked and how badly it deviates from Parasara in areas where > > > > > Parasara is > > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has some good knowledge from parampara, but, having seen him > > > > > > > closely, I am afraid he got addicted to the adulation he received from > > > > > the > > > > > > > community for those secrets. After he ran out of genuine parampara > > > > > secrets, > > > > > > > I am afraid he started *manufacturing* " parampara secrets " > > > > > irresponsibly. If > > > > > > > a good researcher disguised his researches as parampara secrets, it > > > > > would've > > > > > > > been less disastrous. But, unfortunately, Sanjay ji is the worst > > > > > researcher > > > > > > > I have seen. He has a highly intuitive mind that can think of so many > > > > > things > > > > > > > and connect them in all kinds of ways. Unfortunately, he jumps to > > > > > serious > > > > > > > conclusions at the drop of a hat, without any logic or practical > > > > > testing. > > > > > > > Even in practical testing, he uses such highly flexible and vague logic > > > > > that > > > > > > > he can justify any result with any astrological factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somebody who would be really really good at coming up with *ideas* for > > > > > > > research is unfortunately presenting those raw ideas by sometimes > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > and sometimes implicitly representing them as the wisdom of a glorious > > > > > > > parampara. I've seen this closely for a long time. Sanjay ji > > > > > revolutionized > > > > > > > Jyotish when he came, but he has been corrupting the subject badly for > > > > > > > several years now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant to say the above in such blunt words for a long time now, but I > > > > > > > could not and I kept beating around the bush. Until the day I could not > > > > > say > > > > > > > it without even a little anger or frustration in my heart, I did not > > > > > want to > > > > > > > use such blunt language. Thanks to the grace of my spiritual master, I > > > > > am > > > > > > > today able to say the above without a trace of frustration or anger in > > > > > my > > > > > > > heart and in the same way I may state routine observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in other options, maybe they need to be separated clearly so as > > > > > to > > > > > > > avoid confusions for novices like me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora has hundreds of options because we are unsure of so many things. > > > > > We > > > > > > > are groping in the dark. Of course, some people may be glorifying and > > > > > even > > > > > > > *selling* that darkness, but that means nothing to me. As a reasonably > > > > > > > intelligent and conscientious pursuer of Truth, I do know the > > > > > difference > > > > > > > between light and darkness. I do know the light we have in the room is > > > > > > > slowly growing, but I also know that it is still relatively dark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers are used to seeing any shapes they want in clouds. What we > > > > > need > > > > > > > is quantifiable, measurable and objective rules and methods and > > > > > impassioned > > > > > > > search for truth by people who do not have a conflict of interest. My > > > > > > > personal belief is that we will make great progress over the next > > > > > decade and > > > > > > > there will be more light in the field of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The seed was sown by Dr B.V. Raman, who wrote many books on astrology > > > > > in > > > > > > > English and brought the subject to mainstream intelligentsia. Sri K.N. > > > > > Rao > > > > > > > did yeoman service by taking a stand on ayanamsa and bringing the focus > > > > > to > > > > > > > divisional charts etc and the seed became a plant. Pt Sanjay Rath took > > > > > the > > > > > > > focus back to the works of maharshis like Parasara and Jaimini and > > > > > brought > > > > > > > several restricted parameters into the mainstream. However, as the > > > > > plant > > > > > > > grew big, a lot of large weeds came up around the plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The hundreds of options in JHora are partly reflective of the weeds we > > > > > > > have. We need to remove weeds and let the plant grow nicely into a > > > > > tree. > > > > > > > However, it has to be done carefully. It will be a shame if the actual > > > > > plant > > > > > > > is hurt instead of the weeds. JHora and our understanding of the > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of rishis will continue to evolve for some more years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Srivastava, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/ assume. > > > > > Page > > > > > > > 11 OF > > > > > > > > his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar has > > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted " dasa sequence " , deha and jeeva for > > > > > all > > > > > > > savya > > > > > > > > and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any > > > > > > > scholar.BTW > > > > > > > > how you could get this information that he taught this sequence for > > > > > > > jyeshta > > > > > > > > 4 th pada ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please scroll down to the end of this mail. Sanjay ji's original mail > > > > > is > > > > > > > enclosed. He wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. > > > > > > > <deleted> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th pada, JHora gives Sg, Sc, Li, ..., Ta, Ar just as > > > > > taught > > > > > > > by Parasara and yet Sanjay ji faulted JHora and mentioned something > > > > > else > > > > > > > ( " Pi-Ar-... " ) as the " correct order " . So I am assuming that there is > > > > > no > > > > > > > typo here and that he is consciously teaching knowledge that violates > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with > > > > > > > free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings > > > > > are > > > > > > > WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... > > > > > for > > > > > > > Jyeshtha 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara > > > > > left > > > > > > > ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have > > > > > enough > > > > > > > confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was > > > > > different > > > > > > > from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He > > > > > did > > > > > > > not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to > > > > > JHora if > > > > > > > he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were > > > > > willing to > > > > > > > buy the CD and listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from > > > > > an > > > > > > > old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my > > > > > house > > > > > > > in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada > > > > > > > unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result > > > > > in > > > > > > > dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord > > > > > Shiva, > > > > > > > who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair > > > > > in > > > > > > > savya and apasavya chakras! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, > > > > > Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be > > > > > " Li, Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap > > > > > (Ge->Cp) > > > > > > > not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is > > > > > to > > > > > > > NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to > > > > > > > Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, > > > > > Le, Ge, > > > > > > > [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, > > > > > Aq " . > > > > > > > This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces > > > > > > > mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva > > > > > and > > > > > > > Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit > > > > > verses) > > > > > > > was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle > > > > > as > > > > > > > people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next > > > > > cycle, > > > > > > > but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding > > > > > antardasas > > > > > > > from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one > > > > > level > > > > > > > down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and > > > > > yet > > > > > > > elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure > > > > > behind > > > > > > > the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he > > > > > exclaimed > > > > > > > that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very > > > > > quickly). He > > > > > > > asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC > > > > > > > conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the > > > > > > > apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to > > > > > wait. > > > > > > > I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a > > > > > paper, but > > > > > > > it seems like he changed things later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by > > > > > > > Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so > > > > > that > > > > > > > they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or > > > > > dasa-antardasa > > > > > > > pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given > > > > > by > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa > > > > > > > sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be > > > > > deduced. > > > > > > > You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be > > > > > correct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it > > > > > > > against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want > > > > > to > > > > > > > invest their time on those wrong teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to > > > > > > > JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and > > > > > has > > > > > > > no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to > > > > > see > > > > > > > exactly what he taught. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com <swami. > > > > > rcs%40gmail. > > > > > > > com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per > > > > > these > > > > > > > teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by > > > > > Guruji. > > > > > > > In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RCS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > com> [jhora <jhora% <jhora%25><jhora%25>40. com> ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > > > > > > com> ; JyotishWritings < > > > > > JyotishWritings%40grou <JyotishWritings%2540grou> > > > > > > > ps.com> ; vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% > > > > > > > 40. com> ; < > > > > > %40 <%2540>. com> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a > > > > > > > previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was > > > > > > > still wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's > > > > > > > complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If > > > > > you > > > > > > > select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations > > > > > > > given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, > > > > > Cn, > > > > > > > Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches > > > > > what > > > > > > > Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be > > > > > > > " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper > > > > > at > > > > > > > the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our > > > > > > > combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other > > > > > methods, > > > > > > > please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th > > > > > pada > > > > > > > is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > cycles taught by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora > > > > > match > > > > > > > the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except > > > > > of > > > > > > > course the Raghavacharya method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between > > > > > various > > > > > > > methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in > > > > > how > > > > > > > dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya > > > > > method is > > > > > > > the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is > > > > > > > chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various > > > > > > > nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various > > > > > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed > > > > > > > sequences listed by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please > > > > > note > > > > > > > the setting mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% <sohamsa%25><sohamsa%25>40. com> < > > > > > > > sohamsa% <sohamsa%25> 40. com> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and > > > > > found to > > > > > > > my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation > > > > > given > > > > > > > in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and > > > > > don't > > > > > > > ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have > > > > > > > checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get > > > > > your > > > > > > > copy from www.vedicsoftware. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we > > > > > use > > > > > > > full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get > > > > > > > Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra > > > > > paper/slides I > > > > > > > used in London > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > Dear > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath.cpm > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 13, 2010 Sanjay Ji, I gave a reading what I believed to be true. I assure you Vimshottari timings given by Kundalee software will match actual events with accurate timing. If you do not mind, you should propitiate Mercury to end the current imbroglio. I do not care for political propaganda because I am above politics. -VJ ================= == vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji > Vinay ji has given a nice reading and I appreciate that. He is quite right in his analysis. > Also I have noticed how some people are trying some political propaganda against him and that is most ignorant of them. > Vinay ji, if you are reading this - Just ignore these kinds of propaganda as your work speaks for itself. Of course I wonder how much of this I can also use for myself ! > Best Regards > Sanjay > > > rohinicrystal > Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:16 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] (unknown) > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > I am assuming that you had warned him about all these things long ago, privately or publicly? > > Peace! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > To Mr Vinay69 : > > > > Sanjay Ji has svagrihi lords of lagna, dasham, ekaadash, and twelfth, which gave him much money and fame. Svagrihi Jupiter also has fast-friendly 52' aspect on 5th, and svagrihi Saturn has neutral 36' aspect on 5th, which enabled him to master a good deal of traditional knowledge. But according to Kundalee Software, he entered into Mercury Mahaa-dashaa after mid-1998 and Mercury is in 6th. This is one reason of his problems. Another reason is Sun and Venus in 5th : Sun is lord of 6th and Venus of 3rd and 8th , which make them malefics for 5th. Moreover, Venus is in bitter enemy's house in 5th. Third factor is lord of 5th Moon in 12th. > > > > D24 has excellent Saturn in moolatrikona, sitting in 11th house and aspecting 5th, but Mercury is lord of 3 and 6 and therefore malefic. Hence, when Mercury's mahaadashaa started on 23rd July 1998, his knowledge took a bad turn. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ========================= ===== > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Four points: > > > > > > (1) I gave my observations honestly. But, for all you know, my views may or may not be perfect. Other people who also have a lot of experience with him may, for all you know, disagree with me. > > > > > > (2) It will be very crude and unethical to use our limited knowledge of astrology to justify our views in matters like this. If history makes a judgment on this in future and/or creates a distance between us and these happenings, THEN it may be acceptable to analyze them astrologically. > > > > > > (3) Sanjay ji is a man with some good knowledge. If he is honest about what is from parampara and what are his ideas and enables intelligent youngsters to do unbiased research (instead of jumping to hasty conclusions, teaching that as parampara knowledge and making it into a cult), he may still make a positive difference. In the beginning, he had honesty and spirit of truth. He was quite honest with me about many things he was unsure of and asked me to investigate (e.g. solar vs soli-lunar months in TP). He changed. But he is basically a good man and wants the knowledge of rishis to triumph in the world, just as I do. I do not like to write anyone off in my book. Everyone has many choices in front of one at all times, whether one sees them or not. I do not control the choices others make and also I do not like to prejudge the choices they may make in future. > > > > > > (4) I haven't " dissociated " with Sanjay ji. How can one dissociate with someone who gave one some useful knowledge and who inspired one to do an important good karma (giving JHora to the world)? I have merely stated what I honestly believe to be the truth, for the benefit of other students and community. Simply a new event occurred in our " association " . > > > > > > Arjuna may have fired arrows at Drona or even killed him. But would he say " I dissociated with Drona " ? The association/relationship of a teacher-student is permanent. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > JHora uses yyyy-mm-dd format to stay neutral to Indo-European (dd-mm-yyyy) and American (mm-dd-yyyy) styles and also to be logical (Y > M > D). I will consider adding an option in a future release. But this request is too late for the 7.4 release which is going to happen very soon. The beta version is under testing in the jhora and the official release is only days away. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Spirituality: > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > , Vinay Kumar <vinay69@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > > > I think you are true to your heart and mind in whatever you say and > > > > practice. I have been following your writings closely and must say you have > > > > contributed some genuine original stuff that is a result of your laborious > > > > research. Please continue and I see you right there it to the top rung of > > > > astrologers in the next decade. > > > > > > > > Thinking of your dissociation with Sri Sanjay-ji, in your opinion, what > > > > astrological factors in his horoscope do you think makes him propound > > > > jyotish knowledge that you think is incorrect or corrupted knowledge? I mean > > > > when we disucss jyotish, this has to show in the dashas and bukthis or > > > > other factors in his horoscope. > > > > > > > > I have another question regarding JHora. In the Dasas Tab for starting and > > > > ending dates is is possible to get dd-mm-yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd format? > > > > I tried the preferences tab (related to display) but could not find the > > > > option to change this. If this is not available I suggest you include it in > > > > your next release, I really prefer to see the Indian date format which I > > > > have always been used to. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay did not seem to have any knowledge of Parampara. > > > > > > > > > > There is some genuine uncommon knowledge taught by Sanjay ji. For example, > > > > > Tithi Pravesha works very well. Of course, it may be imperfect (e.g. solar > > > > > vs soli-lunar issue I mentioned before), but it works quite well. As it is > > > > > not found in any books or classics and as there weren't too many people who > > > > > used it before he popularized it, it is reasonable to assume that Sanjay ji > > > > > did know some secrets. But the quality of his teachings is quite erratic and > > > > > non-uniform. I disagree with you regarding Parampara and stand by my reading > > > > > of the situation as described in the mail below. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting that Sri K.N. Rao should be interested in my horoscope. > > > > > Please convey my regards to him. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is not factually correct to say that I " came out " NOW. I first > > > > > communicated with Sanjay ji in late 1997 and became his student in spring > > > > > 1998. I learnt some good knowledge in the next few years. As Sanjay ji > > > > > maintains an air of " there is more to this, but I will teach it later " , you > > > > > keep giving him the benefit of doubt. I started noticing inconsistencies in > > > > > his knowledge and started questioning him, as soon as 2001-2002. I > > > > > maintained intellectual independence in all public exchanges. From 2004, I > > > > > gave up on Sanjay ji. I convinced myself that I am dealing with highly > > > > > corrupted knowledge that also contains some gems and started independent > > > > > research to sort things. My intention was to clean up the mess while > > > > > remaining within his organization. During 2005-2006, I nearly gave up > > > > > astrology as my mind was drawn towards god. After the seed for the " do homam > > > > > yourself " movement was sown in 2006, I was back to astrology seriously. I > > > > > vigorously pursued independent astrology research in 2006-2009, without any > > > > > expectations and with a much calmer frame of mind. Some of the findings are > > > > > shared, some are in the pipeline and some need to be perfected still. > > > > > > > > > > However, I still did not come clean with my honest opinions on Sanjay ji to > > > > > caution other students. My spiritual master asked me to stand for truth > > > > > without fear and not tolerate dishonesty. He wisely wondered if fear of > > > > > offending teacher and creating confusion in people's mind by rocking the > > > > > applecart were the only considerations in my mind or if I was also > > > > > sub-consciously concerned about losing something by being truthful and going > > > > > against them. He reminded me that we come with nothing and go with nothing > > > > > and why should we fear anything or seek anything. He told me to be truthful > > > > > and honest and do my dharma sincerely. It slowly sunk in. From 2007-2008, I > > > > > started hinting at Sanjay ji's dishonesty and misrepresentations publicly. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, my " coming out " started long back and has been unfolding slowly. As > > > > > far as Jyotish knowledge is concerned, I've been on my own for several years > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > A journey of 17 years through the long-winded tunnel! But the intelligent > > > > > > enigma has dug really deep and collected much wealth to start afresh! I > > > > > > appreciate his knowledge and scientific probes which he shares freely, > > > > > not > > > > > > to mention the great service done through JHora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to Narsimha ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 March 2010 10:33, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes and my acquaintance with Sanjay is > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > (when he was working in Delhi at Krishi Bhawan), Sanjay did not seem to > > > > > have > > > > > > > any knowledge of Parampara. His uncles (both paternal and maternal) did > > > > > not > > > > > > > even consult him astrologically then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr%40charter.net>> > > > > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic\ -astrology% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > JyotishWritings <JyotishWritings%40><JyotishWritings% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > jhora <jhora%40> <jhora% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 11:54:44 PM > > > > > > > Too many options in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contradictions seem to be too many. First it was sudasa, > > > > > > > > now it is kalachakra dasa. It is far too confusing. Just like > > > > > > > > you added options for Chara dasa( K N Rao, Rangacharya method) > > > > > > > > etc, i guess you can make it KCD Rath, and KCD Narasimha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sudasa, Sanjay ji kept changing the definition everytime > > > > > we > > > > > > > met for a conference. First, I assumed he was testing us and wanted us > > > > > to > > > > > > > figure out what is correct. Later, I concluded that he himself is not > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > However, my belief is that he received some knowledge in the parampara > > > > > > > regarding Sudasa, which did not stick with him perfectly and hence the > > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of KCD, I am quite sure Sanjay ji does not have any secrets > > > > > > > from parampara. He told me several times that he relied on *me* to > > > > > crack the > > > > > > > KCD and ashtakavarga puzzles. He was very excited when I revealed the > > > > > basic > > > > > > > KCD idea to him. I am afraid he simply hijacked what I shared with him > > > > > and > > > > > > > what I later wrote as a paper in our joint names and running with it > > > > > now. > > > > > > > The only thing I do not know is by how much exactly he changed what he > > > > > > > hijacked and how badly it deviates from Parasara in areas where > > > > > Parasara is > > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has some good knowledge from parampara, but, having seen him > > > > > > > closely, I am afraid he got addicted to the adulation he received from > > > > > the > > > > > > > community for those secrets. After he ran out of genuine parampara > > > > > secrets, > > > > > > > I am afraid he started *manufacturing* " parampara secrets " > > > > > irresponsibly. If > > > > > > > a good researcher disguised his researches as parampara secrets, it > > > > > would've > > > > > > > been less disastrous. But, unfortunately, Sanjay ji is the worst > > > > > researcher > > > > > > > I have seen. He has a highly intuitive mind that can think of so many > > > > > things > > > > > > > and connect them in all kinds of ways. Unfortunately, he jumps to > > > > > serious > > > > > > > conclusions at the drop of a hat, without any logic or practical > > > > > testing. > > > > > > > Even in practical testing, he uses such highly flexible and vague logic > > > > > that > > > > > > > he can justify any result with any astrological factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somebody who would be really really good at coming up with *ideas* for > > > > > > > research is unfortunately presenting those raw ideas by sometimes > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > and sometimes implicitly representing them as the wisdom of a glorious > > > > > > > parampara. I've seen this closely for a long time. Sanjay ji > > > > > revolutionized > > > > > > > Jyotish when he came, but he has been corrupting the subject badly for > > > > > > > several years now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant to say the above in such blunt words for a long time now, but I > > > > > > > could not and I kept beating around the bush. Until the day I could not > > > > > say > > > > > > > it without even a little anger or frustration in my heart, I did not > > > > > want to > > > > > > > use such blunt language. Thanks to the grace of my spiritual master, I > > > > > am > > > > > > > today able to say the above without a trace of frustration or anger in > > > > > my > > > > > > > heart and in the same way I may state routine observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in other options, maybe they need to be separated clearly so as > > > > > to > > > > > > > avoid confusions for novices like me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora has hundreds of options because we are unsure of so many things. > > > > > We > > > > > > > are groping in the dark. Of course, some people may be glorifying and > > > > > even > > > > > > > *selling* that darkness, but that means nothing to me. As a reasonably > > > > > > > intelligent and conscientious pursuer of Truth, I do know the > > > > > difference > > > > > > > between light and darkness. I do know the light we have in the room is > > > > > > > slowly growing, but I also know that it is still relatively dark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers are used to seeing any shapes they want in clouds. What we > > > > > need > > > > > > > is quantifiable, measurable and objective rules and methods and > > > > > impassioned > > > > > > > search for truth by people who do not have a conflict of interest. My > > > > > > > personal belief is that we will make great progress over the next > > > > > decade and > > > > > > > there will be more light in the field of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The seed was sown by Dr B.V. Raman, who wrote many books on astrology > > > > > in > > > > > > > English and brought the subject to mainstream intelligentsia. Sri K.N. > > > > > Rao > > > > > > > did yeoman service by taking a stand on ayanamsa and bringing the focus > > > > > to > > > > > > > divisional charts etc and the seed became a plant. Pt Sanjay Rath took > > > > > the > > > > > > > focus back to the works of maharshis like Parasara and Jaimini and > > > > > brought > > > > > > > several restricted parameters into the mainstream. However, as the > > > > > plant > > > > > > > grew big, a lot of large weeds came up around the plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The hundreds of options in JHora are partly reflective of the weeds we > > > > > > > have. We need to remove weeds and let the plant grow nicely into a > > > > > tree. > > > > > > > However, it has to be done carefully. It will be a shame if the actual > > > > > plant > > > > > > > is hurt instead of the weeds. JHora and our understanding of the > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of rishis will continue to evolve for some more years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Srivastava, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/ assume. > > > > > Page > > > > > > > 11 OF > > > > > > > > his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar has > > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted " dasa sequence " , deha and jeeva for > > > > > all > > > > > > > savya > > > > > > > > and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any > > > > > > > scholar.BTW > > > > > > > > how you could get this information that he taught this sequence for > > > > > > > jyeshta > > > > > > > > 4 th pada ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please scroll down to the end of this mail. Sanjay ji's original mail > > > > > is > > > > > > > enclosed. He wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. > > > > > > > <deleted> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th pada, JHora gives Sg, Sc, Li, ..., Ta, Ar just as > > > > > taught > > > > > > > by Parasara and yet Sanjay ji faulted JHora and mentioned something > > > > > else > > > > > > > ( " Pi-Ar-... " ) as the " correct order " . So I am assuming that there is > > > > > no > > > > > > > typo here and that he is consciously teaching knowledge that violates > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with > > > > > > > free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings > > > > > are > > > > > > > WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... > > > > > for > > > > > > > Jyeshtha 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara > > > > > left > > > > > > > ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have > > > > > enough > > > > > > > confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was > > > > > different > > > > > > > from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He > > > > > did > > > > > > > not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to > > > > > JHora if > > > > > > > he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were > > > > > willing to > > > > > > > buy the CD and listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from > > > > > an > > > > > > > old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my > > > > > house > > > > > > > in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada > > > > > > > unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result > > > > > in > > > > > > > dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord > > > > > Shiva, > > > > > > > who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair > > > > > in > > > > > > > savya and apasavya chakras! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, > > > > > Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be > > > > > " Li, Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap > > > > > (Ge->Cp) > > > > > > > not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is > > > > > to > > > > > > > NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to > > > > > > > Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, > > > > > Le, Ge, > > > > > > > [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, > > > > > Aq " . > > > > > > > This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces > > > > > > > mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva > > > > > and > > > > > > > Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit > > > > > verses) > > > > > > > was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle > > > > > as > > > > > > > people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next > > > > > cycle, > > > > > > > but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding > > > > > antardasas > > > > > > > from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one > > > > > level > > > > > > > down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and > > > > > yet > > > > > > > elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure > > > > > behind > > > > > > > the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he > > > > > exclaimed > > > > > > > that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very > > > > > quickly). He > > > > > > > asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC > > > > > > > conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the > > > > > > > apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to > > > > > wait. > > > > > > > I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a > > > > > paper, but > > > > > > > it seems like he changed things later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by > > > > > > > Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so > > > > > that > > > > > > > they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or > > > > > dasa-antardasa > > > > > > > pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given > > > > > by > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa > > > > > > > sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be > > > > > deduced. > > > > > > > You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be > > > > > correct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it > > > > > > > against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want > > > > > to > > > > > > > invest their time on those wrong teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to > > > > > > > JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and > > > > > has > > > > > > > no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to > > > > > see > > > > > > > exactly what he taught. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- R C Srivastava swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com <swami. > > > > > rcs%40gmail. > > > > > > > com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per > > > > > these > > > > > > > teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by > > > > > Guruji. > > > > > > > In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RCS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > com> [jhora <jhora% <jhora%25><jhora%25>40. com> ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > > > > > > com> ; JyotishWritings < > > > > > JyotishWritings%40grou <JyotishWritings%2540grou> > > > > > > > ps.com> ; vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% > > > > > > > 40. com> ; < > > > > > %40 <%2540>. com> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a > > > > > > > previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was > > > > > > > still wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's > > > > > > > complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If > > > > > you > > > > > > > select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations > > > > > > > given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, > > > > > Cn, > > > > > > > Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches > > > > > what > > > > > > > Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be > > > > > > > " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper > > > > > at > > > > > > > the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our > > > > > > > combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other > > > > > methods, > > > > > > > please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th > > > > > pada > > > > > > > is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > cycles taught by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora > > > > > match > > > > > > > the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except > > > > > of > > > > > > > course the Raghavacharya method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between > > > > > various > > > > > > > methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in > > > > > how > > > > > > > dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya > > > > > method is > > > > > > > the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is > > > > > > > chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various > > > > > > > nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various > > > > > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed > > > > > > > sequences listed by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please > > > > > note > > > > > > > the setting mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% <sohamsa%25><sohamsa%25>40. com> < > > > > > > > sohamsa% <sohamsa%25> 40. com> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and > > > > > found to > > > > > > > my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation > > > > > given > > > > > > > in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and > > > > > don't > > > > > > > ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have > > > > > > > checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get > > > > > your > > > > > > > copy from www.vedicsoftware. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we > > > > > use > > > > > > > full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get > > > > > > > Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra > > > > > paper/slides I > > > > > > > used in London > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > Dear > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath.cpm > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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