ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

February 4, 2009

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Ajay this was the same thig I explained in previous mails. The only principle I didnt know is when lord of the UL is in the 6th bhava, as Zoran mentions Ganesa worshipp should be done, but then again which mantra and how. I hope Zoki will explain this to us.

Best wishes, SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovicfor articles and consultations visit http://www.jatavedas.com--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia wrote:

Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotiaRe: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTINGsohamsa Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:53 AM

||Om Gurave Namah||

Dear Swee, & jyotishis

What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles for the spouse.

Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there should not be any confusion.

In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord of the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis will create serious doshas.

If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris) also then it should be combined with the donation.

I hope this will clarify the principal.

Best Regards

Ajay Zharotia

ajayzharotia@ gmail.com

On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Swee, Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna, there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11) . If we consider only the paksh in which u are born. Now of the two which to use?.Warm RegardsSanjay p

2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm>

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

Namaste

The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!

I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this conclusion.

love,

Swee

On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

|om|

Dear Zoran, namaste

Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

best regards

Hari

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Bojan and others,Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us. However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out. The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd day, however, adequate food should be

offered as a prasad and eaten before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may come a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not bring insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or not.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. infowww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

February 4, 2009

OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA

Dear Zoran Radosavljevic ji and Ajay Zharotia ji,

Namaskar

Kindly permit me to understand your explanations clearly. For example

if the ASC is meena and UL is in second Mesha, then the UL lord is

Mars and if it is posisted in fourth house Mithuna, is it permissible

to fast on fourth tithi Chaturthi because the tithi (Chaturthi) lord

is different, means no tattwa conflict.

Thanking you.

Yours Sincerely,

s. dheenadayalan

sohamsa , Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Ajay,

> Namaste

>

> > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or

> > 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> > because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on

> > these tithis will create serious doshas.

>

> What serious dosa will be created? If an ekadasi tithi is not pure, I

> fast on Dvadasi anyway and have done so for decades.

>

> love,

>

> Swee

>

> On 4 Feb 2009, at 11:53, Ajay Zharotia wrote:

>

> >

> > ||Om Gurave Namah||

> >

> > Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> >

> > What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

> > (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious

> > troubles for the spouse.

> > Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there should

> > not be any confusion.

> >

> > In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

> > of the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd

> > house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury

> > has gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to

> > choose the tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

> >

> > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or

> > 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> > because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on

> > these tithis will create serious doshas.

> >

> > If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done

> > in sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha

> > (Pitris) also then it should be combined with the donation.

> >

> > I hope this will clarify the principal.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Ajay Zharotia

> > ajayzharotia

> >

> > On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> >

> >> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >> Dear Swee,

> >> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> >> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> >> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

> >> only the paksh in which u are born.

> >> Now of the two which to use?.

> >>

> >> Warm Regards

> >> Sanjay p

> >>

> >> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>

> >> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

> >> Namaste

> >>

> >> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!

> >> I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th

> >> lord is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

> >> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

> >> Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji

> >> came to this conclusion.

> >>

> >> love,

> >>

> >> Swee

> >>

> >> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> >>

> >>> |om|

> >>> Dear Zoran, namaste

> >>>

> >>> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to

> >>> Sri MahaVishnu?

> >>>

> >>> best regards

> >>> Hari

> >>>

> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans

> >>> wrote:

> >>> Om Namah Shivaya,

> >>> Dear Bojan and others,

> >>> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

> >>> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in

> >>> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us.

> >>> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

> >>> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy

> >>> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

> >>> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may

> >>> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out.

> >>> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with

> >>> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd

> >>> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and eaten

> >>> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may come

> >>> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not bring

> >>> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> >>> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or not.

> >>> Best wishes

> >>> Zoran Radosavljevic

> >>> www.siva-edu.info

> >>> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

February 4, 2009

|om|Dear Swee, namaste

If my question was good enough for a few laughs/smiles, then it serves my purpose ! But seriously, the question still remains which has been confirmed by your latest mail in this topic.

best regards

HariOn Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,NamasteThe tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this conclusion.love,Swee

On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:|om|

Dear Zoran, namasteWould not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

best regardsHari

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Bojan and others,

Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us.

However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out. The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with

rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and eaten before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may come

a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not bring insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or not.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevic

www.siva-edu.infowww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com.

February 4, 2009

Dear Ajay,

If UL is in 2nd house and has one lord which is in 11h and person is

also born on Tuesday - then lord for tithi and vara is Mars - will

fasting be good for Ekadasi? or some other remedy would be needed?

Best Regards,

SS

sohamsa , Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

wrote:

>

> ||Om Gurave Namah||

>

> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

>

> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

> (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious

> troubles for the spouse.

> Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there should

not

> be any confusion.

>

> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

of

> the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd

> house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury

has

> gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose

the

> tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

>

> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or

4

> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on

these

> tithis will create serious doshas.

>

> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done

in

> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

> also then it should be combined with the donation.

>

> I hope this will clarify the principal.

>

> Best Regards

>

> Ajay Zharotia

> ajayzharotia

>

> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Swee,

> > Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> > tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> > there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we

consider

> > only the paksh in which u are born.

> > Now of the two which to use?.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay p

> >

> > 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

> > Namaste

> >

> > The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!

> > I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th

lord

> > is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

suggests

> > that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

> > Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay

ji

> > came to this conclusion.

> >

> > love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> >

> >> |om|

> >> Dear Zoran, namaste

> >>

> >> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult

to

> >> Sri MahaVishnu?

> >>

> >> best regards

> >> Hari

> >>

> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans

> >> wrote:

> >> Om Namah Shivaya,

> >> Dear Bojan and others,

> >> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

> >> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL

in

> >> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for

us.

> >> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

> >> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries

energy

> >> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

> >> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may

> >> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way

out.

> >> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with

> >> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd

> >> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and

eaten

> >> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may

come

> >> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not

bring

> >> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> >> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or

not.

> >> Best wishes

> >> Zoran Radosavljevic

> >> www.siva-edu.info

> >> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >>

> >

>

February 4, 2009

om namo

bhagavate narasimhaya

DearÂ Members ,

Tattva conflicts arise based on element represented by group of tithis

based on nanda, bhadra etc.

Like Shasti belongs to Shukra but its in Agni group being Nanda. This

particular kind of division is used for panchanga conflicts.

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

--------------

Consultations & Pages

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA

Dear Zoran Radosavljevic ji and Ajay Zharotia ji,

Namaskar

Kindly permit me to understand your explanations clearly. For example

if the ASC is meena and UL is in second Mesha, then the UL lord is

Mars and if it is posisted in fourth house Mithuna, is it permissible

to fast on fourth tithi Chaturthi because the tithi (Chaturthi) lord

is different, means no tattwa conflict.

Thanking you.

Yours Sincerely,

s. dheenadayalan

sohamsa@ .com,

Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Ajay,

> Namaste

>

> > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th

house or

> > 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the

same

> > because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting

on

> > these tithis will create serious doshas.

>

> What serious dosa will be created? If an ekadasi tithi is not

pure, I

> fast on Dvadasi anyway and have done so for decades.

>

> love,

>

> Swee

>

> On 4 Feb 2009, at 11:53, Ajay Zharotia wrote:

>

> >

> > ||Om Gurave Namah||

> >

> > Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> >

> > What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day

lord

> > (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create

serious

> > troubles for the spouse.

> > Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

should

> > not be any confusion.

> >

> > In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So

lord

> > of the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL

in 2nd

> > house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case

mercury

> > has gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is

to

> > choose the tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

> >

> > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th

house or

> > 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the

same

> > because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting

on

> > these tithis will create serious doshas.

> >

> > If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be

done

> > in sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha

> > (Pitris) also then it should be combined with the donation.

> >

> > I hope this will clarify the principal.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Ajay Zharotia

> > ajayzharotia@ ...

> >

> > On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> >

> >> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >> Dear Swee,

> >> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting

on

> >> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta

lagna,

> >> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11) . If

we consider

> >> only the paksh in which u are born.

> >> Now of the two which to use?.

> >>

> >> Warm Regards

> >> Sanjay p

> >>

> >> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>

> >> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

> >> Namaste

> >>

> >> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for

the day!!

> >> I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie

12th

> >> lord is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha,

Sanjay ji

> >> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

> >> Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how

Sanjay ji

> >> came to this conclusion.

> >>

> >> love,

> >>

> >> Swee

> >>

> >> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> >>

> >>> |om|

> >>> Dear Zoran, namaste

> >>>

> >>> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as

an insult to

> >>> Sri MahaVishnu?

> >>>

> >>> best regards

> >>> Hari

> >>>

> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

<ahimsans@.. .>

> >>> wrote:

> >>> Om Namah Shivaya,

> >>> Dear Bojan and others,

> >>> Here is my point and view about the question raised.

2nd bhava is

> >>> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the

day of UL in

> >>> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

food for us.

> >>> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about

2nd lord and

> >>> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

carries energy

> >>> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi

of the 2nd

> >>> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

gandanta may

> >>> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is

the way out.

> >>> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not

conflict with

> >>> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast

on UL in 2nd

> >>> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a

prasad and eaten

> >>> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

results may come

> >>> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person

will not bring

> >>> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> >>> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

agree or not.

> >>> Best wishes

> >>> Zoran Radosavljevic

> >>> www.siva-edu. info

> >>> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

February 4, 2009

Dear Zoran, Ajay,

Thank you for your clarifications.. My 2nd house

(Makara) is the UL with the lord Sani in the 8th house of Cancer. Should I fast

on Shukla ashtami ?

Regards,

Shyam

----- Start Original Message -----

Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:23:54 +0530

Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

sohamsa

Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

> ||Om Gurave Namah||

Dear Swee, & jyotishis

What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord (Agni)

by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles for

the spouse.Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

should not be any confusion.

In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord of the

UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house see

where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to the

11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is based

on the placement of the UL lord.

Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same because

these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis will

create serious doshas.

If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris) also

then it should be combined with the donation.

I hope this will clarify the principal.

Best Regards

Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Swee,

Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

only the paksh in which u are born.

Now of the two which to use?.

Warm Regards

Sanjay p

2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,Namaste

The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I

fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.Zoki, if you listen to

JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this

conclusion.

love,

Swee

On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

|om|Dear Zoran, namaste

Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an

insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

best regardsHari

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Bojan and others,

Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

bhava is

the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

of UL in

2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

food for us.

However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd

lord and

tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

carries energy

of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

the 2nd

lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

gandanta may

occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

way out.

The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict

with

rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

in 2nd

day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad

and eaten

before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

results may come

a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will

not bring

insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

agree or not.

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

www.siva-edu.info

www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

----- End Original Message -----

February 4, 2009

Dear Ajaythanks......... now this is clear .. regard2009/2/4 Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

||Om Gurave Namah||Dear Swee, & jyotishisWhat Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles for the spouse.

Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there should not be any confusion.In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord of the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4 house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis will create serious doshas.

If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris) also then it should be combined with the donation.

I hope this will clarify the principal.Best RegardsAjay Zharotiaajayzharotia

On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Swee, Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna, there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider only the paksh in which u are born.

Now of the two which to use?.Warm RegardsSanjay p2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

Jaya JagannathaDear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

NamasteThe tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this conclusion.love,SweeOn 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

|om|

Dear Zoran, namasteWould not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

best regardsHari

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Bojan and others,Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us. However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may

occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out. The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd

day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and eaten before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may come a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not bring

insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or not.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.info

www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

February 4, 2009

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Friends,

I think that Ajay has fully explained what we discussed. I also

fully agree with everyting he said.

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

www.siva-edu.info

www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

sohamsa , Amit Puri <amitpuri20 wrote:

>

> Dear Ajay

>

> thanks......... now this is clear ..

> regard

>

> 2009/2/4 Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

>

> >

> > ||Om Gurave Namah||

> >

> > Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> >

> > What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

(Agni) by

> > choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles

for the

> > spouse.

> > Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

should not be

> > any confusion.

> >

> > In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So

lord of the UL

> > is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house

see where

> > the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to

the 11th house

> > hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is based on

the

> > placement of the UL lord.

> >

> > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house

or 4 house

> > then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

because these

> > thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis

will create

> > serious doshas.

> >

> > If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be

done in sukla

> > paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

also then it

> > should be combined with the donation.

> >

> > I hope this will clarify the principal.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Ajay Zharotia

> > ajayzharotia

> >

> > On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Swee,

> > Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

tithi?.Do we

> > use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna, there 2

tithi one on

> > Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider only the paksh in

which u are

> > born.

> > Now of the two which to use?.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay p

> >

> > 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

> >

> >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>

> >> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

> >> Namaste

> >>

> >> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the

day!!

> >> I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th

lord is in

> >> lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests

that I fast

> >> only on sukla ekadasi.

> >> Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay

ji came to

> >> this conclusion.

> >>

> >> love,

> >>

> >> Swee

> >>

> >> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> >>

> >> |om|Dear Zoran, namaste

> >>

> >> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult

to Sri

> >> MahaVishnu?

> >>

> >> best regards

> >> Hari

> >>

> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

> >>

> >>> Om Namah Shivaya,

> >>> Dear Bojan and others,

> >>> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava

is

> >>> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of

UL in

> >>> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for

us.

> >>> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

> >>> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries

energy

> >>> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the

2nd

> >>> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta

may

> >>> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way

out.

> >>> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with

> >>> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in

2nd

> >>> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and

eaten

> >>> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results

may come

> >>> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not

bring

> >>> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> >>> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or

not.

> >>> Best wishes

> >>> Zoran Radosavljevic

> >>> www.siva-edu.info

> >>> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

February 4, 2009

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Shyam,

Namaste

I think you are getting confused with the calculation of UL which

initiates from the 12th house and not the 2nd house.

Fasting is done on the day (vaara) lord. That is, if UL is Sani, then

fast on Saturday. Though I'd much prefer the suggestion of a Monday

fast instead. (Lord Siva)

love,

Swee

On 4 Feb 2009, at 16:59, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

> Dear Zoran, Ajay,

> Thank you for your clarifications.. My

> 2nd house (Makara) is the UL with the lord Sani in the 8th house of

> Cancer. Should I fast on Shukla ashtami ?

>

> Regards,

>

> Shyam

>

> ----- Start Original Message -----

> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:23:54 +0530

> Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

>>

>> ||Om Gurave Namah||

> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

> (Agni)

> by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles

> for

> the spouse.Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

> should not be any confusion.

> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

> of the

> UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house see

> where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to

> the

> 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is

> based

> on the placement of the UL lord.

> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> because

> these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis

> will

> create serious doshas.

> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

> also

> then it should be combined with the donation.

> I hope this will clarify the principal.

> Best Regards

> Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

>

> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Swee,

> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

> only the paksh in which u are born.

> Now of the two which to use?.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay p

>

> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,Namaste

> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I

> fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

> is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.Zoki, if you listen to

> JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this

> conclusion.

> love,

> Swee

>

> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

>

> |om|Dear Zoran, namaste

> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an

> insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

> best regardsHari

>

> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

> <ahimsans wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Bojan and others,

> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

> bhava is

> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

> of UL in

> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

> food for us.

> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd

> lord and

> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

> carries energy

> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

> the 2nd

> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

> gandanta may

> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

> way out.

> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict

> with

> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

> in 2nd

> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad

> and eaten

> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

> results may come

> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will

> not bring

> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

> agree or not.

> Best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.info

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

----- End Original Message -----

>

> ---

>

February 4, 2009

Jaya JagannathaDear Bojan,NamasteIn parivatana with Jupiter - so is it really in the 11th or in the 2nd itself? But as a general rule, Mars being the 12th lord on the ascendant indicates a lot of toxins in the body, since the karaka for the first house is Sun/general health, hence a lot of heat within...and with AK Moon, it is toxins in the blood itself.[i admit, I tend to fast quite a bit over a stretch of several days sometimes. In Nov., I ended up doing a 15 day - liquid (fruit juice and water only) fast instead of 10 days. What I want to know is, what happens when I offer fast on dvadasi when ekadasi tithi is not pure? What dosa does it cause? I am currently on my 8th day fast. Since tomorrow's ekadasi tithi is not pure, I will continue until dvadasi and break fast with a little grain and then a liver cleanse after that ;-))]The rgvidhana states that if one offers 100 praaNayaamas and fasts for 3 days, with benefits of chanting, it is for health issue. In many puranas you will note that if fasting begins from ekadasi to trayodasi (3 days), those days are most dear to Sri Visnu. So fasting is more than pleasing the planet. (I think this answers Hari's question?? Hari?)What Zoki is inferring here are for people with Pisces and Libra ascendant, since we are looking at Mars as the dispositor of the 2nd house/UL lord is Mars.Many with ladies who suffer either from heart problems or thyroid problems or severe headaches have been advised to fast without food or water from sunrise to sunset (half a day) have benefitted so much that they are doing away with their medicines. As to the original question, there are many alternatives for a wife to offer vratas with mantra and homa and offer daksina and dana after the period (usually for 1 year; annadan and daksina is in the 13th month) instead of fasting from sunrise to sunrise. Apparently, I've been told that married women should not offer fast without light food eg fruits, water, milk etc.love,SweeOn 4 Feb 2009, at 12:40, Bojan Vidakovic wrote:hare rama krishnaDear Swee where is second lord?Best wishes, SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovicfor articles and consultations visit http://www.jatavedas.com--- On Wed, 2/4/09, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:ahimsavm <ahimsans Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTINGsohamsa Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 7:04 AMOm Namah Shivaya,Dear Swee,But that exactly proves the point. You are vrishabha lagna and your 2nd lord is not Mars, so fasting on ekadashi has nothing to do with the rules we were discussing. Anyway,fast for Upapada and ekadashi are also fully different. What you are saying about JUS of year 1 is something different.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. infowww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com--- In sohamsa@ .com, Swee Chan <swee wrote:>> Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,> Namaste> > The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!> I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord > is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests > that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.> Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji > came to this conclusion.> > love,> > Swee> > > On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:> > > |om|> > Dear Zoran, namaste> >> > Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to > > Sri MahaVishnu?> >> > best regards> > Hari> >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans@.. .> wrote:> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Bojan and others,> > Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is> > the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in> > 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us.> > However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and> > tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy> > of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd> > lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may> > occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out.> > The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with> > rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL in 2nd> > day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad and eaten> > before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way, results may come> > a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will not bring> > insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.> > This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may agree or not.> > Best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. info> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> >> >> > .> >> >> >>

February 4, 2009

Dear Swee,

Namaste- I am indeed referrring to the pada of the 12th house,

which for me is in the 2nd house. What I understand from the emails previously

is that in this case, fasting is not to be done on the day of the lord of the

UL, when the UL is in the second house but on the day indicated by the bhava

where the lord of the UL is. So since the lord of the UL is in the 8th house,

which day should I fast on ?

Regards

Shyam

----- Start Original Message -----

Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:00:16 +0200

Swee Chan <swee

sohamsa

Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Shyam,

Namaste

I think you are getting confused with the calculation of UL which

initiates from the 12th house and not the 2nd house.

Fasting is done on the day (vaara) lord. That is, if UL is Sani, then

fast on Saturday. Though I'd much prefer the suggestion of a Monday

fast instead. (Lord Siva)

love,

Swee

On 4 Feb 2009, at 16:59, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

> Dear Zoran, Ajay,

> Thank you for your clarifications.. My

> 2nd house (Makara) is the UL with the lord Sani in the 8th house of

> Cancer. Should I fast on Shukla ashtami ?

>

> Regards,

>

> Shyam

>

> ----- Start Original Message -----

> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:23:54 +0530

> Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

>>

>> ||Om Gurave Namah||

> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

> (Agni)

> by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles

> for

> the spouse.Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

> should not be any confusion.

> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

> of the

> UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house see

> where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to

> the

> 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is

> based

> on the placement of the UL lord.

> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> because

> these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis

> will

> create serious doshas.

> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

> also

> then it should be combined with the donation.

> I hope this will clarify the principal.

> Best Regards

> Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

>

> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Swee,

> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

> only the paksh in which u are born.

> Now of the two which to use?.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay p

>

> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,Namaste

> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I

> fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

> is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.Zoki, if you listen to

> JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this

> conclusion.

> love,

> Swee

>

> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

>

> |om|Dear Zoran, namaste

> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an

> insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

> best regardsHari

>

> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

> <ahimsans wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Bojan and others,

> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

> bhava is

> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

> of UL in

> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

> food for us.

> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd

> lord and

> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

> carries energy

> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

> the 2nd

> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

> gandanta may

> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

> way out.

> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict

> with

> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

> in 2nd

> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad

> and eaten

> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

> results may come

> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will

> not bring

> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

> agree or not.

> Best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.info

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

----- End Original Message -----

>

> ---

>

February 5, 2009

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Shyam,

Namaste

Astami according to the principles which is presided over by Rahu and

technically, this should include amavasya then.

love,

Swee

On 4 Feb 2009, at 20:26, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

> Dear Swee,

> Namaste- I am indeed referrring to the pada of the

> 12th house, which for me is in the 2nd house. What I understand

> from the emails previously is that in this case, fasting is not to

> be done on the day of the lord of the UL, when the UL is in the

> second house but on the day indicated by the bhava where the lord

> of the UL is. So since the lord of the UL is in the 8th house,

> which day should I fast on ?

>

> Regards

>

> Shyam

>

> ----- Start Original Message -----

> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:00:16 +0200

> Swee Chan <swee

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Shyam,

> Namaste

>

> I think you are getting confused with the calculation of UL which

> initiates from the 12th house and not the 2nd house.

> Fasting is done on the day (vaara) lord. That is, if UL is Sani, then

> fast on Saturday. Though I'd much prefer the suggestion of a Monday

> fast instead. (Lord Siva)

>

> love,

>

> Swee

>

> On 4 Feb 2009, at 16:59, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

>

>> Dear Zoran, Ajay,

>> Thank you for your clarifications.. My

>> 2nd house (Makara) is the UL with the lord Sani in the 8th house of

>> Cancer. Should I fast on Shukla ashtami ?

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Shyam

>>

>> ----- Start Original Message -----

>> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:23:54 +0530

>> Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

>> sohamsa

>> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>>

>>>

>>> ||Om Gurave Namah||

>> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

>> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

>> (Agni)

>> by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles

>> for

>> the spouse.Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

>> should not be any confusion.

>> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

>> of the

>> UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house

>> see

>> where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to

>> the

>> 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is

>> based

>> on the placement of the UL lord.

>> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

>> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

>> because

>> these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis

>> will

>> create serious doshas.

>> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

>> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

>> also

>> then it should be combined with the donation.

>> I hope this will clarify the principal.

>> Best Regards

>> Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

>>

>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>>

>> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>> Dear Swee,

>> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

>> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

>> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

>> only the paksh in which u are born.

>> Now of the two which to use?.

>>

>> Warm Regards

>> Sanjay p

>>

>> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>>

>> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,Namaste

>> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I

>> fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

>> is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

>> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.Zoki, if you listen to

>> JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this

>> conclusion.

>> love,

>> Swee

>>

>> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

>>

>> |om|Dear Zoran, namaste

>> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an

>> insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

>> best regardsHari

>>

>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

>> <ahimsans wrote:

>>

>> Om Namah Shivaya,

>> Dear Bojan and others,

>> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

>> bhava is

>> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

>> of UL in

>> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

>> food for us.

>> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd

>> lord and

>> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

>> carries energy

>> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

>> the 2nd

>> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

>> gandanta may

>> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

>> way out.

>> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict

>> with

>> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

>> in 2nd

>> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad

>> and eaten

>> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

>> results may come

>> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will

>> not bring

>> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

>> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

>> agree or not.

>> Best wishes

>> Zoran Radosavljevic

>> www.siva-edu.info

>> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>>

>> ----- End Original Message -----

>>

>> ---

>>

February 5, 2009

Dear Swee,

Namaste! As a devotee of Devi, this is very good news for me- of course for the

Devi, Krishna paksha ashtami is a better day to pray on..

Cheers

Shyam

----- Start Original Message -----

Thu, 5 Feb 2009 03:24:44 +0200

Swee Chan <swee

sohamsa

Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Shyam,

Namaste

Astami according to the principles which is presided over by Rahu and

technically, this should include amavasya then.

love,

Swee

On 4 Feb 2009, at 20:26, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

> Dear Swee,

> Namaste- I am indeed referrring to the pada of the

> 12th house, which for me is in the 2nd house. What I understand

> from the emails previously is that in this case, fasting is not to

> be done on the day of the lord of the UL, when the UL is in the

> second house but on the day indicated by the bhava where the lord

> of the UL is. So since the lord of the UL is in the 8th house,

> which day should I fast on ?

>

> Regards

>

> Shyam

>

> ----- Start Original Message -----

> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:00:16 +0200

> Swee Chan <swee

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Shyam,

> Namaste

>

> I think you are getting confused with the calculation of UL which

> initiates from the 12th house and not the 2nd house.

> Fasting is done on the day (vaara) lord. That is, if UL is Sani, then

> fast on Saturday. Though I'd much prefer the suggestion of a Monday

> fast instead. (Lord Siva)

>

> love,

>

> Swee

>

> On 4 Feb 2009, at 16:59, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:

>

>> Dear Zoran, Ajay,

>> Thank you for your clarifications.. My

>> 2nd house (Makara) is the UL with the lord Sani in the 8th house of

>> Cancer. Should I fast on Shukla ashtami ?

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Shyam

>>

>> ----- Start Original Message -----

>> Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:23:54 +0530

>> Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia

>> sohamsa

>> Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>>

>>>

>>> ||Om Gurave Namah||

>> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

>> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

>> (Agni)

>> by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious troubles

>> for

>> the spouse.Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there

>> should not be any confusion.

>> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord

>> of the

>> UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd house

>> see

>> where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has gone to

>> the

>> 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the tithi is

>> based

>> on the placement of the UL lord.

>> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

>> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

>> because

>> these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these tithis

>> will

>> create serious doshas.

>> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

>> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

>> also

>> then it should be combined with the donation.

>> I hope this will clarify the principal.

>> Best Regards

>> Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

>>

>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>>

>> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>> Dear Swee,

>> Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

>> tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

>> there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

>> only the paksh in which u are born.

>> Now of the two which to use?.

>>

>> Warm Regards

>> Sanjay p

>>

>> 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>>

>> Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,Namaste

>> The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!I

>> fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

>> is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji

>> suggests that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.Zoki, if you listen to

>> JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji came to this

>> conclusion.

>> love,

>> Swee

>>

>> On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

>>

>> |om|Dear Zoran, namaste

>> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an

>> insult to Sri MahaVishnu?

>> best regardsHari

>>

>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

>> <ahimsans wrote:

>>

>> Om Namah Shivaya,

>> Dear Bojan and others,

>> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

>> bhava is

>> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

>> of UL in

>> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the

>> food for us.

>> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd

>> lord and

>> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

>> carries energy

>> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

>> the 2nd

>> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

>> gandanta may

>> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

>> way out.

>> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict

>> with

>> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

>> in 2nd

>> day, however, adequate food should be offered as a prasad

>> and eaten

>> before the Sunrise (not complete fast).In this way,

>> results may come

>> a bit later, but will certainly come, while a person will

>> not bring

>> insult to Shri Vishnu by rejecting the food.

>> This is the way I was taught, and ofcourse others may

>> agree or not.

>> Best wishes

>> Zoran Radosavljevic

>> www.siva-edu.info

>> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>>

>> ----- End Original Message -----

>>

>> ---

>>

February 5, 2009

Namaste friends,

I would like to express my reservations on a couple of issues. It is funny that

I should be typing this email on an Ekadashi day, when many Vaishnavas fast

irrespective of their horoscopes.

> >> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

> >> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in

> >> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us.

My dear Zoran, please allow me to express my disagreement.

Austerities can never be seen as an insult to Vishnu. Self-deprivation of 2nd

house matters such as food (fasting) or speech (mouna vrata - vow of silence)

are austerities. Giving up food or speech is not an insult to Vishnu just as

giving up sex (i.e. brahmacharya) is not an insult to Sukracharya (Venus).

Various gods bestow various things on us, some at the gross physical level and

some at the subtle spiritual level. As we overcome our dependendency on gross

things, we make progress at the subtle level.

If one eats food, a good amount of internal fire (and subtle internal energy

associated with it) is used for digesting it and for generating physical energy

from it. If one fasts, that subtle energy is unused and available for other

things. This is a tremendous benefit. As a result, one can better digest mantras

and spiritual food available all around one.

The mantra one meditates with at the end of a day's fasting is far more

effective than at other times. The conservation of energy otherwise spent on

digestion or speech will enable far more effective mantra meditation. So fast or

keep mouna and then meditate with a mantra, to maximize the effect of the

mantra.

> >> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

> >> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy

> >> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

> >> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may

> >> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out.

Why does a rashi carry the energy of vaara only and not that of the tithi????

Why does rashi represent vaara or fire?

After all, Rudra rules over the element of fire and Gouri rules over the element

of water and one worships Gouri at the time of marriage. Moreover, Venus (water)

is the karaka for marriage. So one could even say that UL/marriage is

represented by water element and fasting on UL lord's tithi brings the element

of water (prosperity and well-being) to one's marriage (UL)? One could even say

that fasting on the weekday of UL lord should be prohibited as it brings the

fire element represented by weekday to the water of UL and causes " gandanta " !

Seriously, however, this kind of stretching of gandanta concepts is quite

illogical.

Now one more thing: Marriage is a yoga between two souls and why not suggest

fasting on the yoga day of the UL lord?

* * *

> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these

> tithis will create serious doshas.

Picking tithi based on house (12th house - Dwadashi, 4th house - Chaturthi) is

illogical as there are 12 houses only and more tithis.

I have realized one thing over the years - If something is not structurally

sound, it is most likely false knowledge.

* * *

I can categorically declare one thing with utmost confidence. You pick any

weekday or tithi and take a vow to fast or do mouna vrata (remain silent) on

that weekday or tithi and meditate with a particular mantra (any) at the end of

the day. You can take a vow to keep that practice for a certain duration of time

(say, a few months or years) for a specific purpose. Take a vow and keep the

vrata for the duration. If brahmacharya can be kept for the duration of the

vrata, there is nothing like it!

If you keep such a vrata sincerely, you will make positive progress towards

achieving your purpose and definitely not go backwards, irrespective of what is

said by technical calculations based on our half-baked Jyotish knowledge.

* * *

My friends, use the Jyotish knowledge available, but do realize that it is

imperfect and corrupted. Why is only the UL lord important? So many planets may

have so many kinds of influence on UL in a chart. And UL is one of several

factors showing marriage. There may be various influences in a chart showing

marriage. Is our thumb rule of using UL lord's weekday missing some important

factors? Quite possible!

But, despite some arbitrariness and imperfection, if a thumb rule allows you to

pick an austerity with confidence and create the mental feeling that you are

doing the best possible thing for your situation, it is good. After all, what is

critical is to do *some* austerity to burn the blocking karma, with a positive

frame of mind about what you are doing.

But, if endless theorization and complicated technicalities evolving from the

thumb rule are creating doubts and confusion in the minds of people as they

consider an austerity, that is useless and totally missing the point.

Some people tend to resort to heavy theorization based on very shaky grounds. I

suggest going back to the basics, thinking clearly and keeping things simple.

Gem stones may harm when used incorrectly. But, austerities like prayers,

fasting, mouna vrata and brahmacharya will NEVER do you any harm. If your body

can take fasting, you can do it on any weekday or tithi without too many

calculations.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia wrote:

> ||Om Gurave Namah||

>

> Dear Swee, & jyotishis

>

> What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day lord

> (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create serious

> troubles for the spouse.

> Let me explain the principle in a simple way so that there should not

> be any confusion.

>

> In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house. So lord of

> the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL in 2nd

> house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case mercury has

> gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule is to choose the

> tithi is based on the placement of the UL lord.

>

> Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

> house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> because these thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these

> tithis will create serious doshas.

>

> If you are doing fasting on the basis of tithis it should be done in

> sukla paksha only. But if you are doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

> also then it should be combined with the donation.

>

> I hope this will clarify the principal.

>

> Best Regards

>

> Ajay Zharotia

> ajayzharotia

>

> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Swee,

> > Can you please tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> > tithi?.Do we use the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> > there 2 tithi one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11). If we consider

> > only the paksh in which u are born.

> > Now of the two which to use?.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay p

> >

> > 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Hari, Zoki, et al in this discussion,

> > Namaste

> >

> > The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for the day!!

> > I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house (ie 12th lord

> > is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha, Sanjay ji suggests

> > that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

> > Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay ji

> > came to this conclusion.

> >

> > love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> >

> >> |om|

> >> Dear Zoran, namaste

> >>

> >> Would not the general act of fasting be construed as an insult to