Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?

December 23, 2009

Dear Yogesh ji,

I have not quoted any quotes of Shri Punitji. I just confirmed what Punitji mentioned - as mentioned by Subhash ji. Any rules which are not from KP Traditional ( Now when I refer to KP Traditional means, uncorrupted KP - as given to us by shri KSK) , but new rules added must be given another name. But reserach articles strictly adhering to the KP principles is undoubetdly KP, there is no issue about same.

4 Step Theory is not KP in full.

Cuspal Interlinks is not KP in full.

So these cannot be considered as KP but other systems, and bifercation of same by giving it another name is fair, I suppose.

If tomorrow I make this smarter looking by adding 2 Steps more and name it "6 Step", then it will not be exactly KP but a variation of KP, so better name it as such rather confusing the coming generations by allowing it to be known as KP.

In any case whenever I have time I will make this whole process bifercated into clear cut 20 Steps and name it as "20 Step Theory". This will make my presentation impressive and give me an edge over others.... HaHa.

thanks and regards,

Bhaskar. Bombay. INDIA.

--- On Wed, 23/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Re: Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ? Cc: "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotishWednesday, 23 December, 2009, 10:28 AM

Dear Bhaskar,

Whatever Punit says,as quoted by you, is not necessarily correct...because,if as he says,anything written in K.P. Readers is K.P., than are all other students who have contributed a variety of research articles, in K.P. & Athrishta & K.P. & Astrology...do not use K.P. ? ? !

Truly,a laughable statement indeed, if Punit has truly said so... Yogesh Lajmi.

Amit Soman <amitbs2002Sent: Tue, 22 December, 2009 5:57:27 PMRe: Re: Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?

Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

If i sum up your mail i understand that,You need more clarity on 4 step rules. If this is right i would suggest that you write your specific requirements / doubts to Sunilji / Subhashji . My experience is that they reply 100%.

Regards

Amit Soman

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTue, December 22, 2009 2:33:14 AM Re: Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?

Dear Shri Subhash ji,

Thank You Sir for your kind reply.

//When you say that most of the rules (of 4 step) have already been used by Late Shri. Shahasane you must have presumably understood them. //

I have understood those rules whatever Shri Sahasneji has explained in his books. Whatever is taught as "4 Step" now and presently, I am unable to understand fully, and the application part.

//Therefore it is hard to believe that an astrologer of your caliber still find it confusing. Your allegation that these rules are already used by Mr. Shahasane ji seems to be baseless if you say you did not understand the rules at all. //

Thank You, but astrologer of calibre or not , theres no definition or scale of measures as such.

As explained above, the rules already used in Shri Sahasnejis books are understood due to the way its presented in a simple manner with proper illustrations.

//It was ruled by moderator Mr. Punit Pandey ji that KP is what is described in KP Readers. Any new theories though derived from KP....such as Late Dr. Kar's Theory, K. Baskaran's theory etc are named differently to identify themselves from KP. 4 step theory is also one such theory. Can it be termed as KP just because you are not comfortable with naming it this way? //

Shri Punit ji is right when he mentions that all new theories, improvisations and additions must be given a seperate name so as it is clearly understood by any new entrant to understand what is Original KP, and what is beyond KP. I have no issues here. But if its a new theory then please be genuine in saying that its Original and that no rules have been picked from any other source. If it is not new then please mention the source and also acknowledgment of the source, with due respect given to the source before we address ourself as the originator. Another matter is that before a theory is propounded, then please make it undersrandable to at least 70% of the members. In an earlier mail where reference was made by Shri Sunil ji, to Shri Sahasnejis books that he has not written everything but written articles from his Guru Hasbe jis magazines which Shri Sunil Gondhalekarji has admitted that Guruji has done the

editing, then I do not understand wheres the problem if Guruji Hasbe has himself done the editing ? Why must we point fingers at anyone ? And why were you silent at that mail ? At least for Rs. 300/- the students have got a millions Rupees worth of knowledge from his books containing hundreds of examples and simple style of explaining the rules. The photo of his Guruji has been put on his books, due respect has been given, his Gurujis reference is made in almost every second Chapter. Do You see this in Shri Suniljis book which I purchased from him for Rs.500- containg 40 pages of large Fonts (Xerox Pages) written in a hurried manner, and absolute confused depictions of the rules ? No reference to his Guruji, no respect , no acknowledgement, just nothing.

( If the Pravchankaar depicting stories from the Ramayana to an audience,does not pay respect to the original VedVyas ji who is the Author of this epic, and acknowledge them, then how can he gain grace of His guru or the respect from the audience who is listening to his discourses ?) See I am not concerend with all this, nor am interested in Politics, nor care for who acknolwedges whom, but mentioning this just because fingers were pointed at Shri Sahasne ji . If I am not mistaken Shri Sunilji and Shri Shasneji have learnt KP from the same Guru Hasbeji. pointing one finger at others means pointing 3 at ourselves, is what made me write above.

// It is your decision not to comment on 4 step any more, however any constructive comments are always welcome. No system is complete in itself and there is always scope for improvement. Please do not deprive the group members to gain from your vast knowledge and experience. //

Sir late Shri Sahasne ji, and Shri Gondhlekarji and those from their generations including late Shri Raichurji, Yogeshji, etc. are Giants of their areas. We have much to learn from them. Theres no question of anybody gaining from us, when they are present around with us. And we have still much left to learn from whatever they have presented to this generation. Now I will always give my comments if they are constructive and you may please answer them whenever they come - astrological doubts about 4 Step. And I assure you they will be constructive and asking for further learning , and not for derision or unnecessary criticism.

I humbly submit again -

1) We wish to learn the 4 Step, if its really useful.

2) But the present formats available for learning 4 Step is not satisfactory.

3) The rules are not demercated sufficiently understandable enough.

4) If people like your goodself, Shri Tinwinji, Shri Gondhlekarji, Shri Yogeshji, Shri Punitji, etc. and whoever has understood the 4 Step properly are able to write exhaustive Chapters with illustrations at every Step, and also make it in a Book form or make it available on the Net for download, it will become very useful for those who have learnt KP and you will be doing a wonderful service to the present and coming generations without doubt.

5) Even if the Book form costs Rs.1000- I am willing to pay for it. (this is to confirm that we are serious in wanting to study the same, but feel helpless with the current formats of presentations) .

6) Commercialisation is okay because one needs money to even have a morning cup of Tea, but write books which serve the purpose, for which the reader buys them, and not to confuse them, so that they come back asking for further information.

I am sorry and apologise if I have offended anyone connected to the 4 Step, and my full respects to Shri Gondhlekarji for presenting the 4 Step theory to us. He is a very knowledgable man, and I have nothing personal against him, so please ignore the wrong signals if any. I just wish that everyone must be given his due respect as regards to the 4 Step theory for wehatver has been their contributions.

Thanks and Regards,

bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > When you say that most of the rules (of 4 step) have already been used by Late Shri. Shahasane you must have presumably understood them. Therefore it is hard to believe that an astrologer of your caliber still find it confusing. Your allegation that these rules are already used by Mr. Shahasane ji seems to be baseless if you say you did not understand the rules at all. > > It was ruled by moderator Mr. Punit Pandey ji that KP is what is described in KP Readers. Any new theories though derived from KP....such as Late Dr. Kar's Theory, K. Baskaran's theory etc are named differently to identify themselves from KP. 4 step theory is also one such theory. Can it be termed as KP just because you are not comfortable with naming it this way? It is your decision not to comment on 4 step any more, however any

constructive comments are always welcome. No system is complete in itself and there is always scope for improvement. Please do not deprive the group members to gain from your vast knowledge and experience.> > Thanks and Regards,> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> @gro ups.com> Mon, December 21, 2009 2:56:43 AM> Re: Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?> > > Dear Subhash ji,> // Then I fail to understand why the fact that"he used apparent presently Titled, 4 Step rules, very effectively in KP without making it confusing" may not be of common knowledge? //> What is today known as 4 Step, most of the rules have already been used by Shri Sahasne in his books written many years ago, is what may not be

common knowledge, is what I am tring to say Sir. Removing something from KP, then adding another set of confusing rules to it and naming it "4 Step" is not what I am comfortable with. Shri Sahasne has made improvisations to KP in his books, mentioned the areas where he feels further research must be done, accepted his dissatisfactions in certain areas, but never claimed to be originator of any new theories. > If You have understood the 4 Step well, then you may be fortunate. Any improvisations if makes some sense and is not confusing to a student - Beginner or Advanced level student, is always welcome. I did not even understand properly your translation in the Files Section where a 58 KB File on Fout Step theory Rules are, put up. There are about 10 Ruless mentioned which themselves contain many others within them. Understanding the English in any article is another matter, understanding the rules is a seperate matter, and application of them is

again another junction. When to apply which rules is again confusing. This is my personal opinion as I mentioned before.> About 4 Step I will refrain from commenting further.> kind regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > > > As far as my knowledge goes, 4 step theory is based on KP principles only adding and /or improvising some rules. Further the method of working out signification of each planet is entirely different. To differentiate this aspect from KP (and not get confused as KP) it was suitably titled as "4 Step Theory". Therefore to understand 4 step, knowledge of KP as given in KSK's Readers is necessary. > > > > Secondly, in my personal opinion, I do not find 4 step theory confusing. There are very few rules which can be understood

even by a beginner. In fact I am very comfortable with 4 step theory.> > > > Late Mr. Suresh shahasane has written many books on KP in Marathi and these were translated in Hindi and Gujrathi, I suppose. These books must be widely used by many KP astrologers. Then I fail to understand why the fact that"he used apparent presently Titled, 4 Step rules, very effectively in KP without making it confusing" may not be of common knowledge? But if this is a fact, then credit must go to him. Frankly speaking since I have not read his books I cannot comment on this. But there must be many members in this forum who have read his books, can throw some light on this. > > > > Regards,> > Subhash Ekatre> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > @gro

ups.com> > Sun, December 20, 2009 6:26:09 AM> > Re: Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > Thanks for spending time on my mail and giving straight honest replies> > to the queries.> > > > I would like to mention now that my personal opinion is that the 4 Step> > Theory may be too confusing at times with too many heavy weighted> > rules which may not all be understood properly by a student, in complete. > > > > Another fact which may not be of common knowledge,> > is that Late Shri Suresh Sahasneji in his books (which were> > written many years ago) has used the apparent presently Titled,> > 4 Step rules, very effectively in KP without making it confusing. > > This may have now later come to be known as 4 Step

with further > > rules added to it , is another matter, but was actually KP in detail> > and improvised. > > > > I would recommend students to learn Traditional KP through the usual > > methods and also read the above books for grasping of further rules, > > rather than going for 4 Step straightaway which I am sorry, personally I > > am not comfortable with.> > > > (Let me also clear this, that I am in no way connected with selling of> > above books, nor have any particular interest, except that these books> > are really one of the finest, most simple to understand, and contains> > all KP And improvised rules minus the confusions, so that one can> > understand KP very easily rather than spending 10 years to understand> > Readers or 4 Step).> > > > warm regards,> > Bhaskar.> >

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > We have seen some heated debate in this forum when we try to do comparison.> > > This is a KP forum, so naturally the answer will be biased in favor of KP.> > > Even then, let me take some of the questions and answer them unbiased and> > > best of my capabilities.> > > > > > > > > *1) Which system is better. The KP or the 4 Step ?*> > > Comparison of any two systems is good. All systems do have pros and cons.> > > With the time and research we will have to highlight those points. Also> > > 4-step is a new system so it will take some time in terms of awareness> > > before even we start comparing it. In my opinion, it is

too early.> > > > > > *2) In case the latter, than should we discard the Traditional*> > > *KP Method ?*> > > As per my earlier answer, it is too early to compare the systems. Sunil ji> > > himself participate in some of the quizzes etc. and any significant> > > advantages of 4-step over KP has yet to be found. In my opinion, 4-step is> > > still a system under development and highly dependent upon KP. I have seen> > > 4-step astrologers mixing KP extensively.> > > > > > *3) Certain rules considered as 4 Step, are already there in*> > > *the KP Traditional , albeit not in detailed manner, but*> > > *references are thrown in here and there. So can*> > > *we pick up those rules which can help us in KP *> > > *traditional, or totally shift to the 4 Step ?*> > >

There are KP astrologer already using those methods. Some of the methods are> > > already part of modern KP. From 1966 edition to 1971 edition, we have seen> > > shift towards using sub-lord (both planetary and cuspal) more often. The> > > shift is continuing and the use of sub has increased over a period of time> > > in KP.> > > > > > *4) If the 4 step Theory is better, than how could the old*> > > *ptactioners of Traditional KP, give so much wonderful*> > > *predictions, as mentioned in the readers and the other*> > > *books from the Disciples ?*> > > This is a tough question. Neither KP practitioners, nor 4-step or other> > > practitioners are able to achieve the level we found in readers. More> > > research and study is needed.> > > > > > *5) Since Shri KSk was always

for further research and*> > > *improvisations, we as students are ready to change,*> > > *apply and amalgamate . Which rules from the 4 Step *> > > *can be picked up and applied to the Traditional without *> > > *disturbing its Structure completely ?*> > > Positional strength and role of sub's star is already in use in KP. These> > > are also used extensively in 4-step theory. If I remember Sunil> > > ji correctly, most of them are borrowed from KP only.> > > > > > *6) What do you advise the new comers who enter KP.*> > > *should they straight away move towards the 4 step or*> > > *should they study both the KP and the 4 step and in*> > > *that process confuse themselves ?*> > > As the basics of 4-step is in KP, I recommend going through KP first. Other> > > members can

have different opinion.> > > > > > *7) I am given to understand that for certain Charts the*> > > *asnwers are not available unless one applies the *> > > *4 Step. In that case what is the percentage of such *> > > *charts you would give, out of 100, where the Traditional*> > > *KP does not seem to work ?*> > > Truly speaking I am not in agreement with this saying.> > > > > > Most of the time it happens because we miss finer KP principles. The number> > > of such charts are not very high. Though we must remember that whichever> > > system we use, there is some selections need to be made by astrologer, and> > > there comes the difference. For example, in the quizzes we have seen that no> > > two KP or 4-step astrologers came up with the same answer.> > > > > >

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > *Dear Learned Senior astrologers of the Group,*> > > > **> > > > I was going through the Tutorials, and stumbled upon the> > > > 4 Step theory rules. Of Course I was not unaware of> > > > these.> > > >> > > > My Queries to you which hope would be answered honestly> > > > and with convictions and fearlessly.> > > >> > > > 1) Which system is *better*. The KP or the 4 Step ?> > > >> > > > 2) In case the latter, than should we *discard* the Traditional> > > > KP Method ?> > >

>> > > > 3) Certain rules considered as 4 Step, are *already there* in> > > > the KP Traditional , albeit not in detailed manner, but> > > > references are thrown in here and there. So can> > > > we pick up those rules which can help us in KP> > > > traditional, or totally shift to the 4 Step ?> > > >> > > > 4) If the 4 step Theory is better, than how could the old> > > > ptactioners of Traditional KP, give so much *wonderful*> > > > *predictions, * as mentioned in the readers and the other> > > > books from the Disciples ?> > > >> > > > 5) Since Shri KSk was always for further research and> > > > improvisations, we as students are ready to change,> > > > apply and amalgamate . Which rules from the 4 Step> > > >

can be picked up and *applied to the Traditional* without> > > > disturbing its Structure completely ?> > > >> > > > 6) What do you advise the new comers who enter KP.> > > > should they straight away move towards the 4 step or> > > > should they study both the KP and the 4 step and in> > > > that process *confuse* themselves ?> > > >> > > > 7) I am given to understand that for certain Charts the> > > > asnwers are not available unless one applies the> > > > 4 Step. In that case *what is the percentage* of such> > > > charts you would give, out of 100, where the Traditional> > > > KP does not seem to work ?> > > >> > > > As requested above, please answer the above> > > > honesty and fearlessly. We do not have to

necessarily> > > > look good, but be *truthful* to ourselves and the> > > > student community.> > > >> > > > Please do not advise that they are "not different systems"> > > > or just an "improvisation" , because both cannot be applied together.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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December 23, 2009

Sir,

I have no time to spread any wrong information about you or anybody, and I do

respect your goodself for your knowledge. If You think that I am doing this then

I am extremely sorry.

I am not at Bombay at the moment to count the number of pages,

buy yes I remember the large Fonts and the scanty number of pages in the book. I

am not talking about the paper quality or printing which is irrelevant to a

seeker. What I am talking about is the content. There is no intent in the

content apparently to make any person learn the 4 Step. I also do not believe in

hiting on anyones stomache by getting a Xerox copy (Unless the Book is

inaccesible or not available in market). I have the details of the payment made

to you for your book (As far as I remember it was done through cheque and email

was sent to you, and Your goodself couriered me the Book ).

I opened the book at least 20 times in a span of 3 months after buying it from

You, and everytime I was disappointed due to not understanding the same , and

finally its still kept aside.

Once again I seek apology Sir, if you think I am spreading any wrong

information. Your goodself and Shri Sahasneji (who was my first KP Teacher)are

both colleagues having learnt from the same Guru. That makes me respect you too

in same vein, so please do not take my intentions as any malafide or otherwise.

I will no more talk about 4 Step now unless I have a technical Query about same.

And my final request to You, is please write a good book on 4 step. take your

own time. But illustrate it with seperate charts as examples and also explain in

a simple language without use of any symbols to represent the steps. I will be

the first person to buy it, and wherever I am present be sure that I will always

advocate students to buy the original rather than going for xerox copies which I

am the last person to advocate. astrologers are not very rich people and people

who buy one Original and distribute xerox copies of same to others for a low

charge, are white collared hoodlums is what I believe in.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

-- In , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear bhaskar,

> pl.dont spread the wrong information about my book.

>

> it is containing 97 pages of a4 size with excellent paper quality

> and excellentprinting and not a xerox one(which you might be xeroxed from

other sources and not bought from me)with both south/north charts are

> mentioned for study.

>

> this is my humble request.

>

> to study or not to study is depends on indivisuals.

> thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Subhash ji, Thank You Sir for your kind reply. //When you

> > say that most of the rules (of 4 step) have already been used by Late

> > Shri. Shahasane you must have presumably understood them. // I have

> > understood those rules whatever Shri Sahasneji has explained in his

> > books. Whatever is taught as " 4 Step " now and presently, I am unable to

> > understand fully, and the application part. //Therefore it is hard to

> > believe that an astrologer of your caliber still find it confusing. Your

> > allegation that these rules are already used by Mr. Shahasane ji seems

> > to be baseless if you say you did not understand the rules at all. //

> > Thank You, but astrologer of calibre or not , theres no definition or

> > scale of measures as such. As explained above, the rules already used

> > in Shri Sahasnejis books are understood due to the way its presented in

> > a simple manner with proper illustrations.

> > //It was ruled by moderator Mr. Punit Pandey ji that KP is what is

> > described in KP Readers. Any new theories though derived from KP....such

> > as Late Dr. Kar's Theory, K. Baskaran's theory etc are named differently

> > to identify themselves from KP. 4 step theory is also one such theory.

> > Can it be termed as KP just because you are not comfortable with naming

> > it this way? // Shri Punit ji is right when he mentions that all new

> > theories, improvisations and additions must be given a seperate name so

> > as it is clearly understood by any new entrant to understand what is

> > Original KP, and what is beyond KP. I have no issues here. But if its a

> > new theory then please be genuine in saying that its Original and that

> > no rules have been picked from any other source. If it is not new then

> > please mention the source and also acknowledgment of the source, with

> > due respect given to the source before we address ourself as the

> > originator. Another matter is that before a theory is propounded, then

> > please make it undersrandable to at least 70% of the members. In an

> > earlier mail where reference was made by Shri Sunil ji, to Shri

> > Sahasnejis books that he has not written everything but written articles

> > from his Guru Hasbe jis magazines which Shri Sunil Gondhalekarji has

> > admitted that Guruji has done the editing, then I do not understand

> > wheres the problem if Guruji Hasbe has himself done the editing ? Why

> > must we point fingers at anyone ? And why were you silent at that mail ?

> > At least for Rs. 300/- the students have got a millions Rupees worth of

> > knowledge from his books containing hundreds of examples and simple

> > style of explaining the rules. The photo of his Guruji has been put on

> > his books, due respect has been given, his Gurujis reference is made in

> > almost every second Chapter. Do You see this in Shri Suniljis book which

> > I purchased from him for Rs.500- containg 40 pages of large Fonts (Xerox

> > Pages) written in a hurried manner, and absolute confused depictions of

> > the rules ? No reference to his Guruji, no respect , no acknowledgement,

> > just nothing. ( If the Pravchankaar depicting stories from the Ramayana

> > to an audience,does not pay respect to the original VedVyas ji who is

> > the Author of this epic, and acknowledge them, then how can he gain

> > grace of His guru or the respect from the audience who is listening to

> > his discourses ?) See I am not concerend with all this, nor am

> > interested in Politics, nor care for who acknolwedges whom, but

> > mentioning this just because fingers were pointed at Shri Sahasne ji .

> > If I am not mistaken Shri Sunilji and Shri Shasneji have learnt KP from

> > the same Guru Hasbeji. pointing one finger at others means pointing 3 at

> > ourselves, is what made me write above. // It is your decision not to

> > comment on 4 step any more, however any constructive comments are always

> > welcome. No system is complete in itself and there is always scope for

> > improvement. Please do not deprive the group members to gain from your

> > vast knowledge and experience. // Sir late Shri Sahasne ji, and Shri

> > Gondhlekarji and those from their generations including late Shri

> > Raichurji, Yogeshji, etc. are Giants of their areas. We have much to

> > learn from them. Theres no question of anybody gaining from us, when

> > they are present around with us. And we have still much left to learn

> > from whatever they have presented to this generation. Now I will always

> > give my comments if they are constructive and you may please answer them

> > whenever they come - astrological doubts about 4 Step. And I assure you

> > they will be constructive and asking for further learning , and not for

> > derision or unnecessary criticism. I humbly submit again - 1) We

> > wish to learn the 4 Step, if its really useful. 2) But the present

> > formats available for learning 4 Step is not satisfactory. 3) The rules

> > are not demercated sufficiently understandable enough. 4) If people like

> > your goodself, Shri Tinwinji, Shri Gondhlekarji, Shri Yogeshji, Shri

> > Punitji, etc. and whoever has understood the 4 Step properly are able to

> > write exhaustive Chapters with illustrations at every Step, and also

> > make it in a Book form or make it available on the Net for download, it

> > will become very useful for those who have learnt KP and you will be

> > doing a wonderful service to the present and coming generations without

> > doubt. 5) Even if the Book form costs Rs.1000- I am willing to pay for

> > it. (this is to confirm that we are serious in wanting to study the

> > same, but feel helpless with the current formats of presentations). 6)

> > Commercialisation is okay because one needs money to even have a morning

> > cup of Tea, but write books which serve the purpose, for which the

> > reader buys them, and not to confuse them, so that they come back asking

> > for further information. I am sorry and apologise if I have offended

> > anyone connected to the 4 Step, and my full respects to Shri

> > Gondhlekarji for presenting the 4 Step theory to us. He is a very

> > knowledgable man, and I have nothing personal against him, so please

> > ignore the wrong signals if any. I just wish that everyone must be given

> > his due respect as regards to the 4 Step theory for wehatver has been

> > their contributions. Thanks and Regards, bhaskar.

> >

> > , Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > When you say that most of the rules (of 4 step) have already been used

> > by Late Shri. Shahasane you must have presumably understood them.

> > Therefore it is hard to believe that an astrologer of your caliber still

> > find it confusing. Your allegation that these rules are already used by

> > Mr. Shahasane ji seems to be baseless if you say you did not understand

> > the rules at all.

> > >

> > > It was ruled by moderator Mr. Punit Pandey ji that KP is what is

> > described in KP Readers. Any new theories though derived from KP....such

> > as Late Dr. Kar's Theory, K. Baskaran's theory etc are named differently

> > to identify themselves from KP. 4 step theory is also one such theory.

> > Can it be termed as KP just because you are not comfortable with naming

> > it this way? It is your decision not to comment on 4 step any more,

> > however any constructive comments are always welcome. No system is

> > complete in itself and there is always scope for improvement. Please do

> > not deprive the group members to gain from your vast knowledge and

> > experience.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards,

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >