MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

December 7, 2009

Dear TinWin,

Nice reply & many thanks.

Regards,

D.Senthil--- On Sun, 12/6/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:25 AM

Dear Friends,

1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha

person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -> "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan."> > Here again it seems that we are

mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc>

> Regards,> > TW> >> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by

Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>[> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>] *On> > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

> >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > >

> *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > research scholars",> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes

Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies". . .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from

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December 7, 2009

Deare Punit,

In K.P. Reader IV..."Marriage Married Life & Children" this subject is discussed in Detail,with examples...You may inform TW this..

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 5:10:38 PMRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

Dear Tw ji,

The discussion is not fair from your side. You asked a question and I responded by saying 'No'. I also asked quite a few questions and I didn't get response and what I get is another question in reply. I am reproducing one such question my my last email -

> By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK> on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> "It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on> the correct match."

You should answer first and then only ask further question.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

Dear Punit ji,Is there any astrologer publishing an article with example charts on working of Mars dosha in the KP literature like A & A, K.P. & Astrology? Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

> No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for> "Horoscope Matching". KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it> doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can> not discard that we have not verified yet.> > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK> on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> "It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on> the correct match."> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> > Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the> > whole KP literature?> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I> > was> > > just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover "Mars dosha for> > > marriage matching" - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective> > was> > > to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have> > shared> > > my understanding with the forum.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit

Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > >> > > > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum> > for> > > > seeing to be believing.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><%

> > 40. com>, Punit> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > > > authentic or> > > > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> > > > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to> > > > Mars> > > > > alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the> > "only"> > > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and> > that> > > > is> > > > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often

in> > > > readers> > > > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not> > the> > > > > reason "alone."> > > > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > > > pre-destined> > > > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on> > > > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for> > compatibility> > > > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has> > mentioned> > > > > about it.> > > > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were> > > > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We

must> > remember> > > > that> > > > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > > > Ascendant> > > > > while judging Mars dosha.> > > > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what> > Shri> > > > KSK> > > > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > > > himself.> > > > >> > > > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle> > the> > > > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited> > or> > > > no> > > > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce> > etc.> > > > in> > > > > marriage. It is a

good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't> > tell> > > > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear> > about> > > > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in> > bride> > > > and> > > > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu> > astrology> > > > (and> > > > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include> > Moon> > > > and> > > > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not> > just> > > > an> > > > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study> > is> > > > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making>

> > > doesn't> > > > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage,> > Married> > > > Life> > > > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > > > One may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to

the> > position> > > > of> > > > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate> > the> > > > evil> > > > > > results of Mars.....> > > > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer> > my> > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh> > and> > > > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > > > advise on> > > > > > the correct match.> > > > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early

writtings in> > the> > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP> > Reader> > > > IV,> > > > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:> > > > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc.> > > > among> > > > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a> > > > position,> > > > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12> > or> > > > the> > > > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is

the> > > > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > > > supposed> > > > > > to be predestined.> > > > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported> > by a> > > > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > > > experience or opinion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><%

> > 40. com>,> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but> > important> > > > > > points> > > > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > > > Shri> > > > > > KSK (> > > > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when> > the> >

> > > > husband> > > > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only> > if> > > > a> > > > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have> > Mars> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > > > studying> > > > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A> > study> > > > > > needs> > > > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha> > person> > > > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring> >

to> > > > Mars> > > > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how> > come> > > > we> > > > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha> > should> > > > be> > > > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > > > considering> > > > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not> > follow> > > > the> > > > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > > > correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is the conclusion

from your article -> > > > > > > "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > > > matching,> > > > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married> > life> > > > etc.> > > > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik> > matching> > > > rule> > > > > > and> > > > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by> > Shri> > > > K.> > > > > > > Hariharan."> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > > > provide> > > > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching>

> and> > > > not> > > > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > > > doesn't> > > > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is> > > > > > dependent> > > > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers> > are> > > > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found> > place> > > > in> > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > > > (which> > > > > > is> > > > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool> > > > (which> > > > > >

is> > > > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > @gro ups.com<%40. com><%> > 40. com><%> >> > > > 40. com>,> > > > > > Punit> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna> > or> > > > Moon> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------

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com><%> > 40. com><%> >> > > > 40. com>] *On> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com>> > <%40.

com><%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over> > the> > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus)

..Then> > > > there> > > > > > is No> > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who> > had> > > > or> > > > > > had> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > > > precious> > > > > > > > response.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com>> > <%40. com><%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

*Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > > > > > > > research scholars",> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these> > columns> > > > by> > > > > > many> > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > > > years,and> > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the> > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > > > occuping> > > > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > > > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very>

> > > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of> > my> > > > > > clients> > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of> > Mars> > > > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem> > to> > > > the> > > > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the

K.P.> > System...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > > > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

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December 7, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

1. I'm sorry for deferring to answer your question in my conclusion.2. No, no seams no practical application of Mars dosha in KP. Thank you for answers, no more question in this regard. 3. The following conclusion of fourth para, page 69 of KP Reader IV (any reprint edition) or third para, page 228 of Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966, can not be for the KP followers to apply the Traditinal matching which has been explained before that conclusion. There is no way to apply Traditional way of matching in KP.It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. 4. That is why to make it clear the following three paras are added in the KP Reader IV." To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12."" If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue to live together." " If the sub lord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation of Mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. Thus we have to predict."5. It appears like indirect explanation with compared to direct change to 'Lagna alone' in KP Reader III, first published in Oct 1979, from 'Lagna or Moon whichever is stronger' (like in atyacharya's Satya Jataka, Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14) earlier applied in Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966. (point 1 of message below)/message/18330?threaded=1

Thanks and regards,TW

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > The discussion is not fair from your side. You asked a question and I> responded by saying 'No'. I also asked quite a few questions and I didn't> get response and what I get is another question in reply. I am reproducing> one such question my my last email -> > > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri> KSK> > on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> > "It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise> on> > the correct match."> > You should answer first and then only ask further question.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Is there any astrologer publishing an article with example charts on> > working of Mars dosha in the KP literature like A & A, K.P. & Astrology?> >> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> > <%40>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for> > > "Horoscope Matching". KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that> > it> > > doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we> > can> > > not discard that we have not verified yet.> > >> > > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri> > KSK> > > on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> > > "It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise> > on> > > the correct match."> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in> > the> > > > whole KP literature?> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > <%40><%> > 40>, Punit> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study.> > I> > > > was> > > > > just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover "Mars dosha> > for> > > > > marriage matching" - the primary application of Mard dosha. My> > objective> > > > was> > > > > to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have> > > > shared> > > > > my understanding with the forum.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the> > forum> > > > for> > > > > > seeing to be believing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40><%> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>, Punit> > > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > > > > > authentic or> > > > > > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> > > > > > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be> > left to> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the> > > > "only"> > > > > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha> > and> > > > that> > > > > > is> > > > > > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often> > in> > > > > > readers> > > > > > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is> > not> > > > the> > > > > > > reason "alone."> > > > > > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > > > > > pre-destined> > > > > > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha> > on> > > > > > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for> > > > compatibility> > > > > > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the> > partner's> > > > > > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has> > > > mentioned> > > > > > > about it.> > > > > > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus> > were> > > > > > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must> > > > remember> > > > > > that> > > > > > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > > > > > Ascendant> > > > > > > while judging Mars dosha.> > > > > > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what> > > > Shri> > > > > > KSK> > > > > > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > > > > > himself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to> > belittle> > > > the> > > > > > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has> > limited> > > > or> > > > > > no> > > > > > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and> > divorce> > > > etc.> > > > > > in> > > > > > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study> > doesn't> > > > tell> > > > > > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very> > clear> > > > about> > > > > > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match> > in> > > > bride> > > > > > and> > > > > > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu> > > > astrology> > > > > > (and> > > > > > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to> > include> > > > Moon> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and> > not> > > > just> > > > > > an> > > > > > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of> > study> > > > is> > > > > > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match> > making> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage,> > > > Married> > > > > > Life> > > > > > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > > > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > > > > > One may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the> > > > position> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > > > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily> > exaggerate> > > > the> > > > > > evil> > > > > > > > results of Mars.....> > > > > > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > > > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally> > offer> > > > my> > > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > > > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully> > weigh> > > > and> > > > > > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts> > and> > > > > > advise on> > > > > > > > the correct match.> > > > > > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > > > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP> > > > Reader> > > > > > IV,> > > > > > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:> > > > > > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce> > etc.> > > > > > among> > > > > > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause> > such> > > > > > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such> > a> > > > > > position,> > > > > > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10> > or 12> > > > or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is> > the> > > > > > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > > > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death,> > is> > > > > > supposed> > > > > > > > to be predestined.> > > > > > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if> > supported> > > > by a> > > > > > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here> > say> > > > > > > > experience or opinion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40><%> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>,> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but> > > > important> > > > > > > > points> > > > > > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as> > narrated by> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > KSK (> > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only> > when> > > > the> > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists> > only> > > > if> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't> > have> > > > Mars> > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to> > consider> > > > > > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > > > > > studying> > > > > > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning.> > A> > > > study> > > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars> > dosha> > > > person> > > > > > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not> > marring> > > > to> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation,> > how> > > > come> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha> > > > should> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study> > is> > > > > > > > considering> > > > > > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do> > not> > > > follow> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > > > > > "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > > > > > matching,> > > > > > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married> > > > life> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik> > > > matching> > > > > > rule> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested> > by> > > > Shri> > > > > > K.> > > > > > > > > Hariharan."> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does> > NOT> > > > > > provide> > > > > > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for> > matching> > > > and> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc.,> > but> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that> > KP is> > > > > > > > dependent> > > > > > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP> > readers> > > > are> > > > > > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha> > found> > > > place> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive> > tool> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching> > tool> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > <%40><%> > > > 40><%> > > >> > > > > > 40>,> > > > > > > > Punit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani> > kadavasalramani@wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron> > Lagna> > > > or> > > > > > Moon> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ** <%40>> > <%40>> > > > <%40><%> > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > >[> > > > > > > > > > <%40><%> > 40><%> > > > 40><%> > > >> > > > > > 40>] *On> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>> > <%40>> > > > <%40><%> > > >> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience> > over> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA> > Nakshatra(Venus).Then> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is No> > > > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody> > who> > > > had> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > > > > > precious> > > > > > > > > > response.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>> > <%40>> > > > <%40><%> > > >> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over> > the> > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > > > > > > > > > research scholars",> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these> > > > columns> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > > > > > years,and> > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for> > marital> > > > > > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with> > the> > > > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own> > star,and> > > > > > > > occuping> > > > > > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > > > > > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost> > ALL of> > > > my> > > > > > > > clients> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence> > of> > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic> > problem> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P.> > > > System...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Am looking forward to 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December 7, 2009

Dear Tw ji,

Appreciate your response.

I understand that you agree to the fact that following paragraph was conclusion of the article on Mars Dosha in 1966 edition -

" It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

Your opinion that it doesn't appear in line with KP thinking and hence another paragraph is appended to the article in later editions. I also agree to that and expressed similar thoughts in my earlier message (/message/29778).

As the part of article was added later on, it seems that it introduced some mismatch. Earlier article talked primarily about Mars dosha in horoscope matching, but later paragraphs seems to apply on individual's horoscope. This mismatch created confusion in people's mind and I feel that we have better clarity now after this discussion.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:56 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,

1. I'm sorry for deferring to answer your question in my conclusion.2. No, no seams no practical application of Mars dosha in KP. Thank you for answers, no more question in this regard. 3. The following conclusion of fourth para, page 69 of KP Reader IV (any reprint edition) or third para, page 228 of Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966, can not be for the KP followers to apply the Traditinal matching which has been explained before that conclusion. There is no way to apply Traditional way of matching in KP. It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match.

4. That is why to make it clear the following three paras are added in the KP Reader IV. " To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. "

" If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue to live together. " " If the sub lord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation of Mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. Thus we have to predict. "

5. It appears like indirect explanation with compared to direct change to 'Lagna alone' in KP Reader III, first published in Oct 1979, from 'Lagna or Moon whichever is stronger' (like in atyacharya's Satya Jataka, Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14) earlier applied in Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966. (point 1 of message below)

/message/18330?threaded=1

Thanks and regards,TW

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

> The discussion is not fair from your side. You asked a question and I> responded by saying 'No'. I also asked quite a few questions and I didn't> get response and what I get is another question in reply. I am reproducing

> one such question my my last email -> > > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri> KSK> > on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> > " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise> on> > the correct match. " > > You should answer first and then only ask further question.>

> Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Is there any astrologer publishing an article with example charts on

> > working of Mars dosha in the KP literature like A & A, K.P. & Astrology?> >> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for> > > " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that

> > it> > > doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we> > can> > > not discard that we have not verified yet.> > >> > > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri

> > KSK> > > on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> > > " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise

> > on> > > the correct match. " > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in> > the> > > > whole KP literature?

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > <%40><%

> > 40>, Punit> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > > > > In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study.> > I> > > > was> > > > > just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha

> > for> > > > > marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My> > objective> > > > was> > > > > to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have

> > > > shared> > > > > my understanding with the forum.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the> > forum> > > > for

> > > > > > seeing to be believing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>, Punit

> > > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more

> > > > > > authentic or> > > > > > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> > > > > > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be

> > left to> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the> > > > " only " > > > > > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha

> > and> > > > that> > > > > > is> > > > > > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often> > in> > > > > > readers

> > > > > > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is> > not> > > > the> > > > > > > reason " alone. " > > > > > > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is

> > > > > > pre-destined> > > > > > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha> > on> > > > > > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for

> > > > compatibility> > > > > > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the> > partner's> > > > > > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has

> > > > mentioned> > > > > > > about it.> > > > > > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus> > were> > > > > > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must

> > > > remember> > > > > > that> > > > > > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > > > > > Ascendant> > > > > > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > > > > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what> > > > Shri> > > > > > KSK> > > > > > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said

> > > > > > himself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to> > belittle> > > > the

> > > > > > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has> > limited> > > > or> > > > > > no> > > > > > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and

> > divorce> > > > etc.> > > > > > in> > > > > > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study> > doesn't> > > > tell

> > > > > > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very> > clear> > > > about> > > > > > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match

> > in> > > > bride> > > > > > and> > > > > > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu> > > > astrology> > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to> > include> > > > Moon> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and

> > not> > > > just> > > > > > an> > > > > > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of> > study> > > > is

> > > > > > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match> > making> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage,> > > > Married

> > > > > > Life> > > > > > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > > > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > > > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the

> > > > position> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > > > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily

> > exaggerate> > > > the> > > > > > evil> > > > > > > > results of Mars.....> > > > > > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > > > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally

> > offer> > > > my> > > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > > > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully

> > weigh> > > > and> > > > > > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts> > and> > > > > > advise on> > > > > > > > the correct match.

> > > > > > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.

> > > > > > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP> > > > Reader> > > > > > IV,> > > > > > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > > > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce> > etc.> > > > > > among> > > > > > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause

> > such> > > > > > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such> > a> > > > > > position,> > > > > > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10

> > or 12> > > > or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is> > the> > > > > > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

> > > > > > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death,> > is> > > > > > supposed> > > > > > > > to be predestined.

> > > > > > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if> > supported> > > > by a> > > > > > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here

> > say> > > > > > > > experience or opinion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but> > > > important> > > > > > > > points> > > > > > > > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as> > narrated by> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > KSK (

> > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only> > when> > > > the

> > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists> > only> > > > if> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't> > have> > > > Mars> > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to

> > consider> > > > > > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > > > > > studying> > > > > > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning.

> > A> > > > study> > > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars> > dosha> > > > person

> > > > > > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not> > marring> > > > to> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation,

> > how> > > > come> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha

> > > > should> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study> > is> > > > > > > > considering

> > > > > > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do> > not> > > > follow> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called

> > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,

> > > > > > matching,> > > > > > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married> > > > life> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik

> > > > matching> > > > > > rule> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested

> > by> > > > Shri> > > > > > K.> > > > > > > > > Hariharan. " > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does

> > NOT> > > > > > provide> > > > > > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for> > matching> > > > and> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc.,> > but> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that

> > KP is> > > > > > > > dependent> > > > > > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP> > readers> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha> > found> > > > place> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > KP.

> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive> > tool> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching

> > tool> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:

> > > > > > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40><%> > > > 40><%

> > > >> > > > > > 40>,> > > > > > > > Punit> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani> > kadavasalramani@wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron

> > Lagna> > > > or> > > > > > Moon> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Truly yours,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ** <%40>

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> > 40><%> > > > 40><%

> > > >> > > > > > 40>] *On> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> > <%40>> > > > <%40><%

> > > >> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience

> > over> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA

> > Nakshatra(Venus).Then> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is No> > > > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody

> > who> > > > had> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your

> > > > > > precious> > > > > > > > > > response.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> > <%40>> > > > <%40><%

> > > >> > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over

> > the> > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these

> > > > columns> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > followers,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > > > > > years,and

> > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for> > marital> > > > > > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with

> > the> > > > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own

> > star,and> > > > > > > > occuping> > > > > > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > > > > > Dosha**...*

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost

> > ALL of> > > > my> > > > > > > > clients> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence

> > of> > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic

> > problem> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P.

> > > > System...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > > > > > > > > > > > members...

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

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December 8, 2009

Punitji Pranam,I still didnt understand what is the difference between mars dosha for compatibility and mars causing seperation.1.) Our Guruji gave preference to stars but not to the mere placement in a sign ,(like in vedic astrology). Even in star placements he went further and divided into sub divisions. He proved that the minute subdivisions are responsible in drastic changes in the lifes of the people born in the same place or twins.In this context how it will be logical to belive that KSK suggested us to verify mars dosha (which deals only with placement in a sign). 2) KSK in many instances told that every one has to face the good or bad events in his life based upon the meritorious deeds done in his previous birth and no chart has influence on others life. then how will be to think that mars placement in

wifes chart will cause problems even though husbands chart indicating hormonious wedded life !3) why guruji suggested us to judge separately about longevity etc... If mars dosha can cause widowhood to either.4) p.no. 52. Guruji stated as follows :One may ask, '"why should they attach too much importance to the position of mars alone ? we had never heard anybody taking of moon`s dosha or any other planet`s dosha or sun`s dosha or any other planets dosha . then does it mean that mars alone will do so much harm to the couple to the couple which other planets cannot do"?the reply is that there are some people who unnecessarily exaggerate the evil results of mars. Most of the following points are not taken into consideration he stated 20 points

against kuja dosha:then how can we say that ksk advocated Kuja dosha analysis for match making.the reason for the para by Guruji as shown by you is that (as i feel)in the starting of the concept p.no. 55 :"when parents attempt to fix the marriage of their sons and the daughters, the so called mars dosha , interpreted by astrologers according to their whims and fancies , confuses them due to varying opinion given by them." after few lines :"let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion ":thats why he divided mars-dosha into three groups and said the anology of blood group (because ksk

tries to say that we has to match the chart having kuja dosha with a chart having similar dosha but not the other two variants,) therefore it is clear that KSK categorise Mars-dosha and stated his opinion only for those astrologers but not to his followers :"It is therefore , necessary that

astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of

mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match"As per the mails of tinwinji i understood that the topic ended here, and later the last few paras were inserted So as to let the readers know how K.P. followers look at these "doshas" by taking only the sub-level significations and not the mere placement of mars in different signs.hope i am clear.i am not critising any one this iis what i understood about this concept.Guruji bless us all.Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Mon, 7/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitpRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 12:50 AM

Dear Pavan ji,

It seem you are also mixing up two things. The Mars dosha section talks about two points -

1. Mars dosha for marriage matching

2. Mars dosha for predicting "difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute"

The section that has been appended later on in 1971 edition (starting from - To cause different of opinion ....) is for using Mars dosha for predicting difference of opinion, disagreement, disputes etc. Shri KSK himself clearly mentioned that any planet can do that. The study also proved the same point which Shri KSK has said. If you read my earlier email, I appreciated study for proving this point.

Though my point is that study didn't touch Mars dosha in marriage matching. Shri KSK said -

"It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match."

It is clearly Shri KSK's opinion for using Mars dosha in "marriage matching" and not predicting on individual's horoscope. Point 1 (Mars dosha in marriage matching) was suggested by Shri KSK but not touched by study. My reason for writing the email was that people should not confuse that the study rejected both - mars dosha in prediction and mars dosha in marriage matching. The truth is that the study touched only mars dosha in prediction on individual's chart.

Generally Shri KSK was very truthful and blunt in calling a spade a spade. If he found that something is not working, he bluntly said that. Though when he says something to "weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha", we should listen him till the time some study proves otherwise. We will have to wait for a study that checks bride and groom's chart simultaneously and conclude something. I hope now you got my point.

I do not have 1966 edition with me. Tw ji said that upto "It is, therefore, ..." is reprint of earlier edition of 1966. Which means "It is, therefore, ..." was the actual conclusion by Shri KSK and I do not think that there should be any doubt on it. He starts with that I'll tell you my opinion and finally he offers this opinion to "weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha".

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Punitji pranam,Pardon for interfering ....the qoute in reader 4 is

"To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left

to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided

they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord ofthe planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is

deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significatorof 6 or 10 or 12".Guruji , also stressed that "any planet can cause "such" undesirable effect , So he is telling

that we need not give preference to "Mars" alone , any planet can cause such results. Again in the next para" If the sub lord is mars or if it is in the constellation of mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. thus we have to predict."

here also he said "separation" will be caused by mars only when he is sublord or sub tenanted star lord and significator for 6,10,12. but not with mere placement of mars in various signs from asc, moon, venus.

[in P.no. 194 under the head "Divorce""there is no mars dosha in this chart because it is in a movable sign , it is debilitated ; conjoined with mercury . Yet look at the fate . thus taking the position of mars and offering predictions which appear more like a curse is not correct . but take the planets situated in the star or sub of mars in 1,2,4,8,12 ,. then , that planet tenanted in such a mars star will offer undesirable and disagreeable results.]

point no. 3 "Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching"i think you are pointing the para above the para given by me, it reads as follows:

"It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match":

in the starting of this explanation on mars dosha P.no.55 KSK mentioned that : "Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. "

So i think that upto the above para (p.no. 69 ) is what Gurujis explanation about various rules and the later paragraphs are his "final" opinion.(which are last paras of the topic) .

point no.4 guruji explained what vedic astrological rules for "Mars Dosha " are . but not instructed us to follow the same. These are my opinions .......

Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... @gro ups.comSunday, 6 December, 2009, 9:40 PM

Dear Tw ji,

1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to Mars alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the "only" reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the reason "alone."

3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it.

4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha.

5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.

My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

Dear Friends,

1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......

The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.

4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match.

5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards,

TW

@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (

> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a

> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering

> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and

> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan."> > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is

> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit

> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** @gro ups.com <%40. com>[

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>] *On

> > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com>

> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No

> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.

> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com>

> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > research scholars",

> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients

> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence

> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > members...> > > >> > > > With kind regards,> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >

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