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Hi Manoj Ji,

 

Immediate response was sent to your mail, detailing a few choices. Perhaps you did not receive that message for some reason.

 

Namaste

Gaurav

 

 

In a message dated 9/25/2006 7:57:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, manojsharma662000 writes:

Hi Swee.It look like Gaurav doesnot seem toibe interested inhis business of selling gems. It is been almost fourdays that I had written (and later you had also copiedmy request to him) to him and I haven't received anyresponse from him.I will buy the gem from the ususal jewellers.Thanks anyways for all your help.Manoj Sharma--- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Aprad,> Namaste> > > We here at this Paramapara are fortunate enough for> Sanjay ji, our Parampara> Gurudeva (and many other learned sashtris) to open> the many doorways into> jyotish that has taken us into different heights in> his rare methods of his> 3-dimensional teachings.> Likewise, the many layers of unwritten, unexplained> meanings from the> sashtras are open/tapped into by the sishya from> his/her diskha Guru in> whichever manner that befits the sishya.> > References made from the puranas on gemstones and> their uses, can only be> fortifying.> > Hope to learn more on tantra from you.> > Love,> > Swee> sweechan > On 9/24/06 4:46 AM, "Arpad Joo"> <panchasila wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > > > Dear Swee,> > > > > > > > thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we all> may well know the> > Puranas,Upanishads and other scriptures-certainly> the Tantric literature- are> > replete with deep symbolism which is applicable on> many levels. Often they are> > written in a code- of which the well-known> "katapayadhi" is one of many. The> > Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all> devotional scriptures (such as the> > Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their> rich treasure trove upon the> > the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the> Guru. I am glad that you are> > reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the> Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of> > the "scriptures" will open up their secrets in> :SANSKRIT! All transalations> > are commentary (only).> > > > Fortunately, I have had the companionship ! of> such men (and women)in India> > who have insisted in reading/studying the> Literature in the Original language.> > This will clarify everything a great deal. In fact> I was asked to get rid of> > all my dictionaries and whatever was studied had> to be memorised> > (verbatim).This included certain chapters of the> Gita, the whole of Saundarya> > Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit)> > > > I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini> Sutras -as explained by Sanjay> > Rath (which is unparalelled in it's> excellence)-shows the same thing:> > knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit> when approaching the Sacred> > Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL.> > > > > > > > With best regards:> > > > > > > > Arpad Joo> > > > > > All-new Mail> >><http://us.rd./evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents./mailbet> > a> - Fire up a more powerful email and get things> done faster.> > > > > > > ! om tat sat !Footnotes:1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya shares his light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let us rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures. 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of energy. Use the energy given by Surya well.3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya Himself knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat. 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not represent the groups views nor that of the group owner.

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Hi Swee.

It look like Gaurav doesnot seem toibe interested in

his business of selling gems. It is been almost four

days that I had written (and later you had also copied

my request to him) to him and I haven't received any

response from him.

I will buy the gem from the ususal jewellers.

Thanks anyways for all your help.

Manoj Sharma

--- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

 

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Aprad,

> Namaste

>

>

> We here at this Paramapara are fortunate enough for

> Sanjay ji, our Parampara

> Gurudeva (and many other learned sashtris) to open

> the many doorways into

> jyotish that has taken us into different heights in

> his rare methods of his

> 3-dimensional teachings.

> Likewise, the many layers of unwritten, unexplained

> meanings from the

> sashtras are open/tapped into by the sishya from

> his/her diskha Guru in

> whichever manner that befits the sishya.

>

> References made from the puranas on gemstones and

> their uses, can only be

> fortifying.

>

> Hope to learn more on tantra from you.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan

>

> On 9/24/06 4:46 AM, " Arpad Joo "

> <panchasila wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swee,

> >

> >

> >

> > thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we all

> may well know the

> > Puranas,Upanishads and other scriptures-certainly

> the Tantric literature- are

> > replete with deep symbolism which is applicable on

> many levels. Often they are

> > written in a code- of which the well-known

> " katapayadhi " is one of many. The

> > Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all

> devotional scriptures (such as the

> > Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their

> rich treasure trove upon the

> > the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the

> Guru. I am glad that you are

> > reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the

> Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of

> > the " scriptures " will open up their secrets in

> :SANSKRIT! All transalations

> > are commentary (only).

> >

> > Fortunately, I have had the companionship ! of

> such men (and women)in India

> > who have insisted in reading/studying the

> Literature in the Original language.

> > This will clarify everything a great deal. In fact

> I was asked to get rid of

> > all my dictionaries and whatever was studied had

> to be memorised

> > (verbatim).This included certain chapters of the

> Gita, the whole of Saundarya

> > Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit)

> >

> > I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini

> Sutras -as explained by Sanjay

> > Rath (which is unparalelled in it's

> excellence)-shows the same thing:

> > knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit

> when approaching the Sacred

> > Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL.

> >

> >

> >

> > With best regards:

> >

> >

> >

> > Arpad Joo

> >

> >

> > All-new Mail

> >

>

<http://us.rd./evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents./mailbet

> > a> - Fire up a more powerful email and get things

> done faster.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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So can you send it again please.

Manoj

--- yobrevol wrote:

 

>

> Hi Manoj Ji,

>

> Immediate response was sent to your mail, detailing

> a few choices. Perhaps

> you did not receive that message for some reason.

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav

>

>

> In a message dated 9/25/2006 7:57:27 A.M. Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> manojsharma662000 writes:

>

> Hi Swee.

> It look like Gaurav doesnot seem toibe interested in

> his business of selling gems. It is been almost

> four

> days that I had written (and later you had also

> copied

> my request to him) to him and I haven't received

> any

> response from him.

> I will buy the gem from the ususal jewellers.

> Thanks anyways for all your help.

> Manoj Sharma

> --- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Aprad,

> > Namaste

> >

> >

> > We here at this Paramapara are fortunate enough

> for

> > Sanjay ji, our Parampara

> > Gurudeva (and many other learned sashtris) to

> open

> > the many doorways into

> > jyotish that has taken us into different heights

> in

> > his rare methods of his

> > 3-dimensional teachings.

> > Likewise, the many layers of unwritten,

> unexplained

> > meanings from the

> > sashtras are open/tapped into by the sishya from

> > his/her diskha Guru in

> > whichever manner that befits the sishya.

> >

> > References made from the puranas on gemstones and

> > their uses, can only be

> > fortifying.

> >

> > Hope to learn more on tantra from you.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> > sweechan

> >

> > On 9/24/06 4:46 AM, " Arpad Joo "

> > <panchasila wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Swee,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we

> all

> > may well know the

> > > Puranas,Upanishads and other

> scriptures-certainly

> > the Tantric literature- are

> > > replete with deep symbolism which is applicable

> on

> > many levels. Often they are

> > > written in a code- of which the well-known

> > " katapayadhi " is one of many. The

> > > Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all

> > devotional scriptures (such as the

> > > Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their

> > rich treasure trove upon the

> > > the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the

> > Guru. I am glad that you are

> > > reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the

> > Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of

> > > the " scriptures " will open up their secrets in

> > :SANSKRIT! All transalations

> > > are commentary (only).

> > >

> > > Fortunately, I have had the companionship ! of

> > such men (and women)in India

> > > who have insisted in reading/studying the

> > Literature in the Original language.

> > > This will clarify everything a great deal. In

> fact

> > I was asked to get rid of

> > > all my dictionaries and whatever was studied

> had

> > to be memorised

> > > (verbatim).This included certain chapters of

> the

> > Gita, the whole of Saundarya

> > > Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit)

> > >

> > > I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini

> > Sutras -as explained by Sanjay

> > > Rath (which is unparalelled in it's

> > excellence)-shows the same thing:

> > > knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit

> > when approaching the Sacred

> > > Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With best regards:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Arpad Joo

> > >

> > >

> > > All-new Mail

> > >

> >

>

<http://us.rd./evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents./mailbet

> > > a> - Fire up a more powerful email and get

> things

> > done faster.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ! om tat sat !

> Footnotes:

> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the

> Sun God Surya shares his

> light with the entire planet, without bias and

> without emotions. Let us rise

> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul

> of all creatures.

> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there

> is a waste of energy. Use

> the energy given by Surya well.

> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else

> other than Surya Himself

> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.

> 4. The contents above are the views of one

> individual and do not represent

> the groups views nor that of the group owner.

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Aprad,

Namaste

 

 

We here at this Paramapara are fortunate enough for Sanjay ji, our Parampara Gurudeva (and many other learned sashtris) to open the many doorways into jyotish that has taken us into different heights in his rare methods of his 3-dimensional teachings.

Likewise, the many layers of unwritten, unexplained meanings from the sashtras are open/tapped into by the sishya from his/her diskha Guru in whichever manner that befits the sishya.

 

References made from the puranas on gemstones and their uses, can only be fortifying.

 

Hope to learn more on tantra from you.

 

Love,

 

Swee

sweechan

 

On 9/24/06 4:46 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Swee,

 

thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we all may well know the Puranas,Upanishads and other scriptures-certainly the Tantric literature- are replete with deep symbolism which is applicable on many levels. Often they are written in a code- of which the well-known " katapayadhi " is one of many. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all devotional scriptures (such as the Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their rich treasure trove upon the the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the Guru. I am glad that you are reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of the " scriptures " will open up their secrets in :SANSKRIT! All transalations are commentary (only).

Fortunately, I have had the companionship ! of such men (and women)in India who have insisted in reading/studying the Literature in the Original language. This will clarify everything a great deal. In fact I was asked to get rid of all my dictionaries and whatever was studied had to be memorised (verbatim).This included certain chapters of the Gita, the whole of Saundarya Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit)

I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini Sutras -as explained by Sanjay Rath (which is unparalelled in it's excellence)-shows the same thing: knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit when approaching the Sacred Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL.

 

With best regards:

 

Arpad Joo

 

All-new Mail <http://us.rd./evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents./mailbeta> - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

 

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OM NAMO BHAGAWATE VASUDEVAY

 

Pranam,

Arpad Joo Ji,

This is regarding " Kalachakra tantra " . I am reffering to the birth chart of a person prepared as per kalachakra astrology, In which 27+1 (Abhijeet) Nakshtras are taken into consideration. Planetary energies can clearly seen entering and leaving throgh their transition paths and depending upon dieties of directions the chart is analysed, thus decision is taken.

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Hi Neeraj Ji,

 

You point some realities of the trade in your mail. To bring to your attention, specific to YS, a customer has bigger problems then to worry about "Heat only" treatments ( which btw, means that the gemstone already MUST have the chemistry built in), its the wide spread sale of Diffused sapphires with Beryllium in Indian markets today. That is artificial surface "layering" with " paint-like" phenomenon is a really at best a placebo.

 

Also, Yes, there are VVS1 VVS2, Flawless, and internally flawless stones in sizes uptp 30carats avaialble, i can show you some if you desire in vivid yellow colors, however, most clients in India can not afford a "REAL IF quality vivid yelloe is 3cts" so we go for what we can afford.

 

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

 

In a message dated 10/2/2006 8:56:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gupta_neeraj_2000 writes:

 

Hi Sourav,

 

Yes, pale yellow color sapphire is usually untreated, golden color results due to heating effect. Also, you may come across orangish or brownish yellow sapphire. They are also heated and are no good for astrological purpose. I have been to Jaipur couple of times where the rough stones are bought and then the cutting is done over there. I plan to enter this good and authentic gemstone business sometime in future as told to me by Sarbani Ji.

 

As per my market knowledge in India, you can get this gemstone around 6,000 to 7,000 rupees per ratti (good and authentic). But be sure to buy it from some good seller.

 

Also, I recommend that you get the gemstone tested from any Govt. Laboratory. In India, there is one in Delhi, near Zhandewalan Mandir, Karolbagh. As some people also sell yellow topaz saying that it is yellow sapphire. So, it is always advised to get the gemstones tested. Science has developed so much that it is not possible to make out the fake gems by naked eye or just by looking under a microscope or magnifier.

 

Also, if a gemstone is too clear, it is often lab created or fake as such gemstones are quite rare and are priced very high. So do not go for exceptionally clear, or too shining yellow sapphire (even if it is pale yellow color) as it might be fake. All natural gemstones have inclusions, most of them are visible by naked eye. If gemstone is of VVSI (very very small inclusions) clarity, the inclusions are visible in magnification but there does not exist any yellow sapphire without any inclusions (at least I have not seen it till date).

 

Hope this information helps you!

 

Regards,

 

Neeraj

 

Regards,

 

NeerajSourav <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Swee-ji,

Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is interesting.

2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale* yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also have good qualities ?

3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is Tula.

In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

Thank you in anticipation.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > Dear Sourav,> Namaste> > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the VRA> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree with> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> > 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the gemstone> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this is> to be avoided. > 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT heat treated. Which> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is the> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From experience,> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre that a> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and Indian> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If you> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request for.> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­ ALL, topaz comes in> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So it> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the> gemstone does harm to your body.> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6 carats> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But the> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a tendency> for a weight challenged person to put on a ³bigger-is-better² gemstone will> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very good> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if possible, offer dakshina and> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­ either round the neck> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th lord> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti, luck etc. So why not> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth and> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th lord on the> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for you> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka lagna.> > > Love,> > Swee> sweechan > > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and only> > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD article).> > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to know why in> > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis is> > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that "larger is> > better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are> > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are not> > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for my case> > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am wondering> > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone would be> > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.> > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by another person> > earlier ?> > > > Thank you.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ==============================================================================> > ===================> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >> > > >> > Dear Sourav,> >> > Namaste> >> > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did penances> >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya is good> >> to> >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the 9th> >> house.> >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th house, it> >> does> >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all other> >> jewels,> >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> >> recollection> >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for a> >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).> >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most abundant> >> > ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have colour> >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the colour.> >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond with >>> the> >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)­ note the word,> >> > small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8 x 20 => >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium grain, take> >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5 carats) >>> and> >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46 carat> >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); ³a king who> >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It takes one year for one carat> >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much faster,> >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> >> > > >> > Answer to your questions:> >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones, less weight> >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the entire> >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King ­ that> >> goes> >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in my> >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for those to> >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices, is less> >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person told me> >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl. BUT what> >> > is big may seem small to another ­ so its all relative.> >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the Tamal tree,> >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi family as> >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important factor, though> >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of importance.> >> Those> >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel finds) are> >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the> >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory (6th> >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction of a> >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun giving> >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation, he is not> >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the statement> >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue> >> sapphire> >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem (we can> >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious than the> >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt by the> >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V. Dharm.> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and bracelets of> >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­ Vishnu Dhar.> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24> >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is ruled by> >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An emerald is> >> > usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so like that,> >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as> >> suggested> >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it is an> >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon, Jupiter> >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now know> >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers another> >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many ifs and> >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green Diamond> >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should be worn> >> by> >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a son should> >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> >> > > >> > Love,> >> > > >> > Swee> >> > sweechan@> >> > > >> > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>> > > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> >>> > > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the values> are> >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to determine how> >>> much> >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed weights> ?> >>> > > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served ?> >>> > > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For example,> >>> high> >>> > > quality, less weight ?> >>> > > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone ? Also,> are> >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I understand> >>> that> >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty perspective,> >>> some> >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an> >>> astrological> >>> > > reason.> >>> > > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5 gemstones> >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> >>> > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>> > > > >>> > > Sourav> >>> > > > >>> > > =================================================================> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >>

 

 

 

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Namaste Prafulla ji,

 

If I can take the liberty to respond, it is incorrect to say that a YS will "always" be heated. Its just that the availability/pricing is condusive for a diffused/heated one than a "Natural" one.

 

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In a message dated 10/2/2006 8:58:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jyotish writes:

Dear Swee jiSomeone told me that yellow saphire will always be heat treated..Is it so!! If yes, then should we opt for white one. or there is distinction between use of white/yellow for different lagnas (like for kumbha - native must use white one).regards / Prafulla GangOur circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.************************************************> > manojsharma662000 Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:28:56 -0400 (EDT)> sohamsa > Re: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones> > Dear Swee,> I am looking for Blue Sapphire and I live in Canada.> Could you please refer me to somebody or some store.> Thanks> Manoj Sharma> --- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya>> >> Dear Sourav,>> Namaste>> >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the>> gemological section in the VRA>> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I>> simply do not agree with>> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).>> >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated>> Mercury. Now, the gemstone>> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana>> categorically states that this is>> to be avoided.>> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never>> NOT heat treated. Which>> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone>> is heat treated? The>> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade,>> 10x magnification is the>> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at>> least about 80x, you>> should be able to make the ripples caused by the>> heating. From experience,>> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have>> that extra lustre that a>> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated>> yellow sapphire, it>> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to>> purchase the rough or>> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone>> and facets the>> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people,>> but Sri Lankan and Indian>> facets on colour gemstones are still not>> internationally accepted. If you>> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps>> help you. Though his>> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get>> what you request for.>> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended>> ­ ALL, topaz comes in>> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow>> topaz is irradiated. So it>> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the>> radiation from the>> gemstone does harm to your body.>> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7>> ratti x 0.8 = 5.6 carats>> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay>> ji to answer. But the>> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest>> planet, hence a tendency>> for a weight challenged person to put on a>> ³bigger-is-better² gemstone will>> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your>> question: Is bigger>> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats>> sufficent? I have seen very good>> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer>> puja and flowers>> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if>> possible, offer dakshina and>> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone>> ­ either round the neck>> (which is my preference) or the fingers.>> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in>> vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th lord>> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job,>> bhukti, luck etc. So why not>> also consider wearing this round your neck or your>> arm? If it is wealth and>> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­>> 11th lord on the>> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9)>> mantra was meant for you>> as the final energy shift is to the 7th>> house/badhaksthana and paka lagna.>> >> >> Love,>> >> Swee>> sweechan> >> >> >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" <souravc108>> wrote:>>> >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||>>> >>> Dear Swee-ji,>>> >>> Namaskar. Thank you>> for an elaborate e-mail>>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones>> is very limited and only>>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I>> also have your JD article).>>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and>> future. I wanted to know why in>>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not>> recommended by 7 Rattis is>>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is>> it just that "larger is>>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this>> restiction on weights are>>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and>> higher weights are not>>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear>> a yellow topaz for my case>>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri>> Ayanaamsa). I am wondering>>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a>> flawless 7 ratti stone would be>>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of>> verifying a heated vs.>>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a>> gemstone used by another person>>> earlier ?>>> >>> Thank you.>>> >>> Best wishes,>>> >>> Sourav>>> >>> >> > ==============================================================================>>> ===================>>> sohamsa , Swee Chan>> <sweechan wrote:>>>>> >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya>>>>> >>>>> Dear Sourav,>>>>> Namaste>>>>> >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in>> days of yore also did penances>>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.>> Hence their punya is good>>>> to>>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all>> indications of the 9th>>>> house.>>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow>> Sapphire for the 9th house, it>>>> does>>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;>> that amongst all other>>>> jewels,>>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and>> unbreakable. If>>>> recollection>>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is>> capable of giving a RY for a>>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).>>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of>> carbon and is the most abundant>>>>> ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all>> gemstones do not have colour>>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign>> matter/minerals in them cause the colour.>>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both>> indicate that a diamond with >>>> the>>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu>> Dharmottara)­ note the word,>>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20>> tandula (rice grain) = 8 x 20 =>>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the>> all-season rice is medium grain, take>>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati>> = 800mg; 1 gram=5 carats) >>>> and>>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A>> rough unpolished 2.46 carat>>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well>> nearly) :-)); ³a king who>>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It>> takes one year for one carat>>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the>> cooling time is much faster,>>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is>> evident.>>>>> >>>>> Answer to your questions:>>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are>> primary gemstones, less weight>>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu>> Dharmottara gave the entire>>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be>> worn by the King ­ that>>>> goes>>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This>> was also stated in my>>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl>> should> === message truncated ===! om tat sat !Footnotes:1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya shares his light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let us rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures. 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of energy. Use the energy given by Surya well.3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya Himself knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat. 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not represent the groups views nor that of the group owner.

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Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my self with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================sohamsa , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:>> Dear Saurav ji> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.> > regards / Prafulla Gang> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.> > ************************************************> > > > > > souravc108 > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> > sohamsa > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones> > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> > knowledge.> > > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is> > interesting.> > > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller> > also have good qualities ?> > > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be> > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma> > Rasi is Tula.> > > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna> > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru> > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong> > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and> > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th> > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and> > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> > > > Thank you in anticipation.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ==================================================================> > > > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >> > >> Dear Sourav,> >> Namaste> >> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the> > VRA> >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree> > with> >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> >> > >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the> > gemstone> >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that> > this is> >> to be avoided.> >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT heat> > treated. Which> >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated?> > The> >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification> > is the> >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x,> > you> >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From> > experience,> >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre> > that a> >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough> > or> >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> >> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan> > and Indian> >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If> > you> >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though> > his> >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request> > for.> >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­ ALL, topaz> > comes in> >> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is> > irradiated. So it> >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from> > the> >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6> > carats> >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But> > the> >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a> > tendency> >> for a weight challenged person to put on a ³bigger-is-better²> > gemstone will> >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is> > bigger> >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen> > very good> >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> >> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if possible, offer> > dakshina and> >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­ either round> > the neck> >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th> > lord> >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti, luck etc.> > So why not> >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is> > wealth and> >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th lord on> > the> >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant> > for you> >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka> > lagna.> >> > >> > >> Love,> >> > >> Swee> >> sweechan@> >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited> > and only> >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD> > article).> >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to> > know why in> >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis> > is> >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that> > "larger is> >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights> > are> >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are> > not> >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for> > my case> >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am> > wondering> >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone> > would be> >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated> > vs.> >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by> > another person> >>> earlier ?> >>> > >>> Thank you.> >>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>> > >>> Sourav> >>> > >>> > > ========================================================================\> > ======> >>> ===================> >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>> Namaste> >>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also> > did penances> >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya> > is good> >>>> to> >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the> > 9th> >>>> house.> >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th> > house, it> >>>> does> >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all> > other> >>>> jewels,> >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> >>>> recollection> >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY> > for a> >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the> > most abundant> >>>>> ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not> > have colour> >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause> > the colour.> >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a> > diamond with >>> >> the> >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)­> > note the word,> >>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice> > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium> > grain, take> >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5> > carats) >>> >> and> >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished> > 2.46 carat> >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-));> > ³a king who> >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It takes one year> > for one carat> >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much> > faster,> >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> >>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,> > less weight> >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave> > the entire> >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King> > ­ that> >>>> goes> >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in> > my> >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for> > those to> >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,> > is less> >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person> > told me> >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.> > BUT what> >>>>> is big may seem small to another ­ so its all relative.> >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the> > Tamal tree,> >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi> > family as> >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important> > factor, though> >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of> > importance.> >>>> Those> >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel> > finds) are> >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the> >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory> > (6th> >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a> > fraction of a> >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun> > giving> >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,> > he is not> >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the> > statement> >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the> > blue> >>>> sapphire> >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red> > gem (we can> >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious> > than the> >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best jewels because,> > burnt by the> >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.> > Dharm.> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and> > bracelets of> >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­ Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is> > ruled by> >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An> > emerald is> >>>>> usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner rectangular or a> > square, so like that,> >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal> > as> >>>> suggested> >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that> > it is an> >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing> > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we> > now know> >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers> > another> >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many> > ifs and> >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A> > Green Diamond> >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should> > be worn> >>>> by> >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a> > son should> >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> >>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the> > values> >> are> >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to> > determine how> >>>>> much> >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these> > proposed weights> >> ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be> > served ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For> > example,> >>>>> high> >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the> > gemstone ? Also,> >> are> >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I> > understand> >>>>> that> >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty> > perspective,> >>>>> some> >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an> >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5> > gemstones> >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > =================================================================> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>

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namaskar. I didn't quite understand your statement here. sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sourav et al,> Namaste> > If the suggestion of a ³blue emerald² is what is being translated is> correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the> Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family, hence> all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that> the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the price> and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.> > Love,> > Swee> > > > > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,> > > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically> > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my self> > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the> > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ==================================================================> > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Saurav ji> >> > > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.> >> > > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang> >> > > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.> >> > > >> > ************************************************> >> > > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > souravc108@> >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> >>> > > sohamsa > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>> > > > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> >>> > > knowledge.> >>> > > > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is> >>> > > interesting.> >>> > > > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*> >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please> >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller> >>> > > also have good qualities ?> >>> > > > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be> >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma> >>> > > Rasi is Tula.> >>> > > > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna> >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru> >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong> >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and> >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th> >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and> >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> >>> > > > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.> >>> > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>> > > > >>> > > Sourav> >>> > > > >>> > > ==================================================================> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,> >>>> > >> Namaste> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the> >>> > > VRA> >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree> >>> > > with> >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the> >>> > > gemstone> >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that> >>> > > this is> >>>> > >> to be avoided.> >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT heat> >>> > > treated. Which> >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated?> >>> > > The> >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification> >>> > > is the> >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x,> >>> > > you> >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From> >>> > > experience,> >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre> >>> > > that a> >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough> >>> > > or> >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> >>>> > >> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan> >>> > > and Indian> >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If> >>> > > you> >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though> >>> > > his> >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request> >>> > > for.> >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­ ALL, topaz> >>> > > comes in> >>>> > >> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is> >>> > > irradiated. So it> >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from> >>> > > the> >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6> >>> > > carats> >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But> >>> > > the> >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a> >>> > > tendency> >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a ³bigger-is-better²> >>> > > gemstone will> >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is> >>> > > bigger> >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen> >>> > > very good> >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if possible, offer> >>> > > dakshina and> >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­ either round> >>> > > the neck> >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th> >>> > > lord> >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti, luck etc.> >>> > > So why not> >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is> >>> > > wealth and> >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th lord on> >>> > > the> >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant> >>> > > for you> >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka> >>> > > lagna.> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> Love,> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> Swee> >>>> > >> sweechan@> >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited> >>> > > and only> >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD> >>> > > article).> >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to> >>> > > know why in> >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis> >>> > > is> >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that> >>> > > "larger is> >>>>> > >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights> >>> > > are> >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are> >>> > > not> >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for> >>> > > my case> >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am> >>> > > wondering> >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone> >>> > > would be> >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated> >>> > > vs.> >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by> >>> > > another person> >>>>> > >>> earlier ?> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav> >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > > > >>> ========================================================================\> >>> > > ======> >>>>> > >>> ===================> >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also> >>> > > did penances> >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their> punya> >>> > > is good> >>>>>> > >>>> to> >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of> the> >>> > > 9th> >>>>>> > >>>> house.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th> >>> > > house, it> >>>>>> > >>>> does> >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all> >>> > > other> >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> >>>>>> > >>>> recollection> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY> >>> > > for a> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the> >>> > > most abundant> >>>>>>> > >>>>> ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not> >>> > > have colour> >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause> >>> > > the colour.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a> >>> > > diamond with >>> >>>> > >> the> >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)­> >>> > > note the word,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice> >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium> >>> > > grain, take> >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5> >>> > > carats) >>> >>>> > >> and> >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished> >>> > > 2.46 carat> >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-));> >>> > > ³a king who> >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It takes one year> >>> > > for one carat> >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much> >>> > > faster,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,> >>> > > less weight> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave> >>> > > the entire> >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King> >>> > > ­ that> >>>>>> > >>>> goes> >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated> in> >>> > > my> >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for> >>> > > those to> >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high> prices,> >>> > > is less> >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person> >>> > > told me> >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this> pearl.> >>> > > BUT what> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another ­ so its all relative.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the> >>> > > Tamal tree,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi> >>> > > family as> >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important> >>> > > factor, though> >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of> >>> > > importance.> >>>>>> > >>>> Those> >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel> >>> > > finds) are> >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to> the> >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory> >>> > > (6th> >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a> >>> > > fraction of a> >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the> Sun> >>> > > giving> >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual >>>>>>>> equation,> >>> > > he is not> >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the> >>> > > statement> >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the> >>> > > blue> >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire> >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red> >>> > > gem (we can> >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more> >>>>>>> meritorious> >>> > > than the> >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best jewels because,> >>> > > burnt by the> >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.> >>> > > Dharm.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and> >>> > > bracelets of> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­ Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is> >>> > > ruled by> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An> >>> > > emerald is> >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner rectangular or a> >>> > > square, so like that,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal> >>> > > as> >>>>>> > >>>> suggested> >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that> >>> > > it is an> >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing> >>> > > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we> >>> > > now know> >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda >>>>>>>> considers> >>> > > another> >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many> >>> > > ifs and> >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A> >>> > > Green Diamond> >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond> should> >>> > > be worn> >>>>>> > >>>> by> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a> >>> > > son should> >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of> the> >>> > > values> >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to> >>> > > determine how> >>>>>>> > >>>>> much> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these> >>> > > proposed weights> >>>> > >> ?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be> >>> > > served ?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For> >>> > > example,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> high> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the> >>> > > gemstone ? Also,> >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I> >>> > > understand> >>>>>>> > >>>>> that> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty> >>> > > perspective,> >>>>>>> > >>>>> some> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have> an> >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5> >>> > > gemstones> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>> > > =================================================================> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> >> >> > > >>

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Dear Swee-ji,

namaskar. First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.

Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) "Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire" is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.

Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.

Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing ratna, when your time permits.

Best wishes,

Sourav

================================================================= sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sourav,> Namaste> > This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural> crystals of yellow colour ­ Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna ­ why the difference?> There¹s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the> King should wear the entire ³booty.²> The only one mentioned that has less ³power² is the crystal. I can gather> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz> crystal ­ citrine in this case.> > Sorry for being nebulous.> > Love,> > Swee> > > On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your> > statement here. > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > > >> > Dear Sourav et al,> >> > Namaste> >> > > >> > If the suggestion of a ³blue emerald² is what is being translated is> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family,> >> hence> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the> >> price> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.> >> > > >> > Love,> >> > > >> > Swee> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,> >>> > > > >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my> >>> self> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?> >>> > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>> > > > >>> > > Sourav> >>> > > > >>> > > ==================================================================> >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our> >>>>> natures.> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > ************************************************> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about> gemstones> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.> This is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire> >>>>>>> of a *pale*> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).> Please> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A> seller> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It> should be> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is> in Lagna> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga> >>>>>>> thus. Guru> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is> >>>>>>> very strong> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th> house and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested> >>>>>>> Mantras and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> ==================================================================> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological> >>>>>>>>> section in the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do> not agree> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.> Now, the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically> states that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT> heat> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat> treated?> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x> >>>>>>>>> magnification> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least> about 80x,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.> From> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase> the rough> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and> facets the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but> Sri Lankan> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help> you. Though> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what> you request> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­> ALL, topaz> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the> >>>>>>>>> radiation from> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x> 0.8 = 5.6> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to> answer. But> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,> hence a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a> >>>>>>>>> ³bigger-is-better²> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your> >>>>>>>>> question: Is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I> have seen> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and> flowers> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if possible,> offer> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­> >>>>>>>>> either round> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and> is your 5th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti,> luck etc.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If> it is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th> lord on> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra> was meant> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana> and paka> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is> very limited> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also> have your JD> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.> I wanted to> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it> just that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > "larger is> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless> 7 ratti stone> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> ========================================================================\> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days> of yore also> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.> Hence their> >> > punya> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all> indications of> >> > the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire> for the 9th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;> that amongst all> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and> unbreakable. If> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable> of giving a RY> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of> carbon and is the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all> gemstones do not> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals> in them cause> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both> indicate that a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu> Dharmottara)­> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20> tandula (rice> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season> rice is medium> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati => 800mg; 1 gram=5> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A> rough unpolished> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well> nearly) :-));> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ³a king who> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It> takes one year> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is> evident.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu> Dharmottara gave> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be> worn by the King> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ­ that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This> was also stated> >> > in> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should> be big and for> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though> sky high> >> > prices,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this,> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to> get this> >> > pearl.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another ­ so its all> relative.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours> equated to the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as> an important> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised> rough gem of> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws,> dirt, alien to> >> > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who> wishes victory> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life> (Moon etc)> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted> diamond is a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The> addendum to the> >> > Sun> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In> spiritual >>>>>>>> >> > equation,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear> the ruby or the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is> more> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best> jewels because,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the> body of a man. V.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,> necklace and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­> Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets,> the oval shape is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner rectangular> or a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape> of the crystal> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small> sized gem is that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an> emerald.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone> Mercury, a waxing> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow> Sapphire, as we> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>> >> > considers> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.> There are many> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are> important. A> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A> brown diamond> >> > should> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman> who wishes for a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette> (rectangle).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please> answer?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is> given. Some of> >> > the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific> calculation done to> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality> behind these> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific> purpose to be> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the> gemstone ? For> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the> cut of the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific> gemstones ? I> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective> or from beauty> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if> these cuts have> >> > an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis> weights and cuts 5> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to> people ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> =================================================================> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>> > >> >> >>> > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Neeraj,

Namaste

 

You CAN get the very vibrant and natural yellow sapphire! It does not have to be pale yellow which is not preferred.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

On 9/20/06 10:02 PM, " Neeraj Gupta " <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Sourav,

 

Yes, pale yellow color sapphire is usually untreated, golden color results due to heating effect. Also, you may come across orangish or brownish yellow sapphire. They are also heated and are no good for astrological purpose. I have been to Jaipur couple of times where the rough stones are bought and then the cutting is done over there. I plan to enter this good and authentic gemstone business sometime in future as told to me by Sarbani Ji.

 

As per my market knowledge in India, you can get this gemstone around 6,000 to 7,000 rupees per ratti (good and authentic). But be sure to buy it from some good seller.

 

Also, I recommend that you get the gemstone tested from any Govt. Laboratory. In India, there is one in Delhi, near Zhandewalan Mandir, Karolbagh. As some people also sell yellow topaz saying that it is yellow sapphire. So, it is always advised to get ! the gemstones tested. Science has developed so much that it is not possible to make out the fake gems by naked eye or just by looking under a microscope or magnifier.

 

Also, if a gemstone is too clear, it is often lab created or fake as such gemstones are quite rare and are priced very high. So do not go for exceptionally clear, or too shining yellow sapphire (even if it is pale yellow color) as it might be fake. All natural gemstones have inclusions, most of them are visible by naked eye. If gemstone is of VVSI (very very small inclusions) clarity, the inclusions are visible in magnification but there does not exist any yellow sapphire without any inclusions (at least I have not seen it till date).

 

Hope this information helps you!

 

Regards,

 

Neeraj

 

Regards,

 

Neeraj

 

Sourav <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Swee-ji,

Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is interesting.

2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale* yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also have good qualities ?

3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is Tula.

In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

Thank you in anticipation.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the VRA

> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree with

> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

>

> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the gemstone

> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this is

> to be avoided.

> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT heat treated. Which

> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The

> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is the

> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you

> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From experience,

> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre that a

> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or

> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and Indian

> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If you

> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his

> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request for.

> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­ ALL, topaz comes in

> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So it

> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the

> gemstone does harm to your body.

> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6 carats

> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But the

> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a tendency

> for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better” gemstone will

> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger

> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very good

> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible, offer dakshina and

> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­ either round the neck

> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th lord

> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti, luck etc. So why not

> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth and

> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th lord on the

> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for you

> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka lagna.

>

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan

>

>

>

> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and only

> > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD article).

> > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to know why in

> > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis is

> > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger is

> > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are

> > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are not

> > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for my case

> > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am wondering

> > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone would be

> > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.

> > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by another person

> > earlier ?

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==============================================================================

> > ===================

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did penances

> >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya is good

> >> to

> >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the 9th

> >> house.

> >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th house, it

> >> does

> >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all other

> >> jewels,

> >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> >> recollection

> >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for a

> >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most abundant

> >> > “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have colour

> >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the colour.

> >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond with >>

> the

> >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)­ note the word,

> >> > small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium grain, take

> >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5 carats) >>

> and

> >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46 carat

> >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); “a king who

> >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes one year for one carat

> >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much faster,

> >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> >> >

> >> > Answer to your questions:

> >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones, less weight

> >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the entire

> >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King ­ that

> >> goes

> >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in my

> >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for those to

> >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices, is less

> >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person told me

> >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl. BUT what

> >> > is big may seem small to another ­ so its all relative.

> >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the Tamal tree,

> >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi family as

> >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important factor, though

> >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of importance.

> >> Those

> >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel finds) are

> >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory (6th

> >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction of a

> >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun giving

> >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation, he is not

> >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the statement

> >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue

> >> sapphire

> >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem (we can

> >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious than the

> >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt by the

> >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V. Dharm.

> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and bracelets of

> >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­ Vishnu Dhar.

> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is ruled by

> >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An emerald is

> >> > usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so like that,

> >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as

> >> suggested

> >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it is an

> >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon, Jupiter

> >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now know

> >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers another

> >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many ifs and

> >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green Diamond

> >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should be worn

> >> by

> >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a son should

> >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> > sweechan@

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the values

> are

> >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to determine how

> >>> much

> >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed weights

> ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For example,

> >>> high

> >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone ? Also,

> are

> >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I understand

> >>> that

> >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty perspective,

> >>> some

> >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> >>> astrological

> >>> > > reason.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5 gemstones

> >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > =================================================================

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

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Dear BKK,

Namaste

 

A superfine gemstone always give results – some, as soon as the gemstone is ordered, some within days....some within 6 weeks.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 9/20/06 2:55 AM, " bk k " <bk_k3 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swee Ji,

 

namaskar,

 

I am amazed to see your knowledge on gems. I am wearing Diamond (0.72 carats, one stone), Emerald(abt 6 ratti) and Blue supphire (abt 6 ratti, dark peacock blue color). My birth details is

 

DOB 31.07.1971

TOB 11.11Hrs

POB: Gorakhpur (UP)

 

Wearing Emerald for more than 2 years

Wearing Diamond and Blue Supphire since Nov 05

 

I am not getting any desired results. Please guide me as if I am wearing correct gems.

 

Regards,

 

BKK

 

Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

Om N! amo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the VRA as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree with (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

 

Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the gemstone has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this is to be avoided.

Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat treated. Which comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is the acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From experience, you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre that a heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and Indian facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If you currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request for.

The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz comes in either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So it is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the gemstone does harm to your body.

As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6 carats is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But the idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a tendency for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better” gemstone will increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very good results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible, offer dakshina and then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round the neck (which is my preference) or the fingers.

As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th lord and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc. So why not also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth and recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on the ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for you as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka lagna.

 

 

Love,

 

Swee

sweechan

 

 

 

On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and only gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD article). So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to know why in VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis is recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger is better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are mentioned (some lower weights are recommended an

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Dear Visti,

Namaste

 

Normally, before presenting the Brihaspati murti, Guru dakshina, annadan, tilaka and dakshina are also offered to the brahmacharyas who attend, certain vedic suktas and vedic mantras are chanted and a yagna to pacify and consecrate..... What about the life force of the murti?

You are are saying is VERY different to solving this problem at hand.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 9/20/06 8:28 AM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Swee and Sourav, Namaskar.

The form of Jagannath is in Neem wood, and is kept to ward of black magic and evil eye, which arises when the Badhakesh is placed in the first, sixth or eighth houses from lagna, or connected to either of these lords. There are a few more combinations for black magic, but the idol of Jagannath should not be given away in this case, as it would be akin to giving away ones kavacha/protection. Instead its advisable to keep and worship an idol of Sri Jagannath in this case.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

Email: visti

For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

Swee Chan wrote:

 

 

 

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

I work on a 24hr clock. Sorry for that. One must follow the rules when delineating. Your Guru is badhakesh and is retrograde on the ascendant. The simple remedy (which have also worked for many) is to donate Brihaspati murti in wood or in gold or carved out in Yellow Sapphire but these suggestions are always according to your means. Together with this, offer ghee, sesame, sweets, honey and sandalpaste. Padma Purana goes on to suggest that one should donate a Yellow Sapphire, so consider this as your upaya. When Guru is satisfied, he in turn will give his blessings and hopefully “absorb” negative karma accrued by you. Then only may you consider wearing the Yellow Sapphire.

Because your lagna lord aspects the movable signs together with Mars, both Mars and Saturn are involved in a negative aspect on your 5th with a negative Moon. The dispositor of course, is Venus and 9th from your AL.

The alternative to a diamond is the white sapphire (refer to my article). The white sapphire belongs to the corundum family and it is much cheaper and purer; easier to get a flawless one– less inclusions than a diamond (forget the flawless D col, it is far beyond ordinary reach.) Should you choose a 5 carater to wear round your neck, it should not cost you more than $80/carat at commercial prices.

Next, you wrote on a Tuesday during Trayodashi ruled by Guru – in my opinion consider the upaya to Guru and wear a red coral as the next dwisaptati dasa in 2008 is also Mars.

Gaurav Jain’s email – yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com and I have seen and bought jyotish quality gems from him. A friend of mine was cheated buying from Thailand off the internet – I am unhappy about this, because in the trade, when one says it is that col or quality and natural, rest assure that this is what you’ll get. PGA is not an authority like the association in USA. If you lie, you are liable to a fine and maybe be struck off. Gaurav is a member of that assoc. So you can rest easy.

 

Love,

 

Swee

sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com

 

On 9/20/06 4:40 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108 > <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Swee-ji,

 

Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

 

1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is interesting.

 

2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale* yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also have good qualities ?

 

3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is Tula.

 

In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

 

Thank you in anticipation.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

 

 

sohamsa@ .com, Swee Chan <sweechan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the VRA

> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree with

> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

>

> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the gemstone

> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this is

> to be avoided.

> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat treated. Which

> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The

> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is the

> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you

> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From experience,

> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre that a

> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or

> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and Indian

> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If you

> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his

> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request for.

> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz comes in

> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So it

> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the

> gemstone does harm to your body.

> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6 carats

> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But the

> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a tendency

> for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better” gemstone will

> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger

> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very good

> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible, offer dakshina and

> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round the neck

> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th lord

> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc. So why not

> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth and

> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on the

> ascendant... ..I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for you

> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka lagna.

>

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan

>

>

>

> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@. .. wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and only

> > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD article).

> > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to know why in

> > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis is

> > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger is

> > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are

> > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are not

> > recommended) . Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for my case

> > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am wondering

> > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone would be

> > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.

> > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by another person

> > earlier ?

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===

> > ============ =======

> > sohamsa@ .com, Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did penances

> >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya is good

> >> to

> >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/ religiosity all indications of the 9th

> >> house.

> >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th house, it

> >> does

> >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all other

> >> jewels,

> >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> >> recollection

> >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for a

> >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most abundant

> >> > “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have colour

> >> > (colourless/ white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the colour.

> >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond with >>

> the

> >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)– note the word,

> >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium grain, take

> >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5 carats) >>

> and

> >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46 carat

> >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); “a king who

> >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes one year for one carat

> >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much faster,

> >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> >> >

> >> > Answer to your questions:

> >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones, less weight

> >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the entire

> >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King – that

> >> goes

> >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in my

> >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for those to

> >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices, is less

> >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person told me

> >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl. BUT what

> >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the Tamal tree,

> >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi family as

> >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important factor, though

> >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of importance.

> >> Those

> >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel finds) are

> >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory (6th

> >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction of a

> >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun giving

> >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation, he is not

> >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the statement

> >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue

> >> sapphire

> >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem (we can

> >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious than the

> >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt by the

> >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V. Dharm.

> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and bracelets of

> >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is ruled by

> >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An emerald is

> >> > usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so like that,

> >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as

> >> suggested

> >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it is an

> >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon, Jupiter

> >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now know

> >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers another

> >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many ifs and

> >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green Diamond

> >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should be worn

> >> by

> >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a son should

> >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> > sweechan@

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the values

> are

> >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to determine how

> >>> much

> >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed weights

> ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For example,

> >>> high

> >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone ? Also,

> are

> >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I understand

> >>> that

> >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty perspective,

> >>> some

> >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> >>> astrological

> >>> > > reason.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5 gemstones

> >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

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Dear Sourav et al,

Namaste

 

If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is being translated is correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family, hence all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the price and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

 

namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my self with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

==================================================================

sohamsa , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Saurav ji

>

> I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.

>

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > souravc108

> > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000

> > sohamsa

> > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> > knowledge.

> >

> > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is

> > interesting.

> >

> > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please

> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

> > also have good qualities ?

> >

> > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be

> > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma

> > Rasi is Tula.

> >

> > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna

> > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru

> > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong

> > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and

> > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th

> > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and

> > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >

> > Thank you in anticipation.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==================================================================

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>

> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>

> >> Dear Sourav,

> >> Namaste

> >>

> >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the

> > VRA

> >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree

> > with

> >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>

> >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the

> > gemstone

> >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that

> > this is

> >> to be avoided.

> >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat

> > treated. Which

> >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated?

> > The

> >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification

> > is the

> >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x,

> > you

> >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From

> > experience,

> >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre

> > that a

> >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough

> > or

> >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan

> > and Indian

> >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If

> > you

> >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though

> > his

> >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request

> > for.

> >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz

> > comes in

> >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> > irradiated. So it

> >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from

> > the

> >> gemstone does harm to your body.

> >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6

> > carats

> >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But

> > the

> >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a

> > tendency

> >> for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better”

> > gemstone will

> >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is

> > bigger

> >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen

> > very good

> >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible, offer

> > dakshina and

> >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round

> > the neck

> >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th

> > lord

> >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc.

> > So why not

> >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is

> > wealth and

> >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on

> > the

> >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant

> > for you

> >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka

> > lagna.

> >>

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >> Swee

> >> sweechan@

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>

> >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>

> >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>

> >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited

> > and only

> >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD

> > article).

> >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to

> > know why in

> >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis

> > is

> >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that

> > " larger is

> >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights

> > are

> >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are

> > not

> >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for

> > my case

> >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am

> > wondering

> >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone

> > would be

> >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated

> > vs.

> >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by

> > another person

> >>> earlier ?

> >>>

> >>> Thank you.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Sourav

> >>>

> >>>

> > ========================================================================\

> > ======

> >>> ===================

> >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also

> > did penances

> >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya

> > is good

> >>>> to

> >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the

> > 9th

> >>>> house.

> >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th

> > house, it

> >>>> does

> >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all

> > other

> >>>> jewels,

> >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> >>>> recollection

> >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY

> > for a

> >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the

> > most abundant

> >>>>> “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not

> > have colour

> >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause

> > the colour.

> >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a

> > diamond with >>

> >> the

> >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)–

> > note the word,

> >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice

> > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium

> > grain, take

> >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5

> > carats) >>

> >> and

> >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished

> > 2.46 carat

> >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-));

> > “a king who

> >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes one year

> > for one carat

> >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much

> > faster,

> >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Answer to your questions:

> >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,

> > less weight

> >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave

> > the entire

> >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King

> > – that

> >>>> goes

> >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in

> > my

> >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for

> > those to

> >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,

> > is less

> >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person

> > told me

> >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.

> > BUT what

> >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the

> > Tamal tree,

> >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi

> > family as

> >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important

> > factor, though

> >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of

> > importance.

> >>>> Those

> >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel

> > finds) are

> >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory

> > (6th

> >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a

> > fraction of a

> >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun

> > giving

> >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,

> > he is not

> >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the

> > statement

> >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the

> > blue

> >>>> sapphire

> >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red

> > gem (we can

> >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious

> > than the

> >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best jewels because,

> > burnt by the

> >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.

> > Dharm.

> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and

> > bracelets of

> >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is

> > ruled by

> >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An

> > emerald is

> >>>>> usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or a

> > square, so like that,

> >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal

> > as

> >>>> suggested

> >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that

> > it is an

> >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing

> > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we

> > now know

> >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers

> > another

> >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many

> > ifs and

> >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A

> > Green Diamond

> >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should

> > be worn

> >>>> by

> >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a

> > son should

> >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Swee

> >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the

> > values

> >> are

> >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to

> > determine how

> >>>>> much

> >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these

> > proposed weights

> >> ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be

> > served ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For

> > example,

> >>>>> high

> >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the

> > gemstone ? Also,

> >> are

> >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I

> > understand

> >>>>> that

> >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty

> > perspective,

> >>>>> some

> >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> > =================================================================

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

>

 

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the difference? There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the King should wear the entire “booty.”

The only one mentioned that has less “power” is the crystal. I can gather for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz crystal – citrine in this case.

 

Sorry for being nebulous.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

namaskar. I didn't quite understand your statement here.

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav et al,

> Namaste

>

> If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is being translated is

> correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the

> Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family, hence

> all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that

> the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the price

> and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

>

>

> On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically

> > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my self

> > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the

> > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==================================================================

> > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Saurav ji

> >> >

> >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.

> >> >

> >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> >

> >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.

> >> >

> >> > ************************************************

> >> >

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > souravc108@

> >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000

> >>> > > sohamsa

> >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>> > > knowledge.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is

> >>> > > interesting.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please

> >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

> >>> > > also have good qualities ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be

> >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma

> >>> > > Rasi is Tula.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna

> >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru

> >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong

> >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and

> >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th

> >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and

> >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ==================================================================

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,

> >>>> > >> Namaste

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the

> >>> > > VRA

> >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree

> >>> > > with

> >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the

> >>> > > gemstone

> >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that

> >>> > > this is

> >>>> > >> to be avoided.

> >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat

> >>> > > treated. Which

> >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated?

> >>> > > The

> >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification

> >>> > > is the

> >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x,

> >>> > > you

> >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From

> >>> > > experience,

> >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre

> >>> > > that a

> >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough

> >>> > > or

> >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> >>>> > >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan

> >>> > > and Indian

> >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If

> >>> > > you

> >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though

> >>> > > his

> >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request

> >>> > > for.

> >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz

> >>> > > comes in

> >>>> > >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> >>> > > irradiated. So it

> >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6

> >>> > > carats

> >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a

> >>> > > tendency

> >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better”

> >>> > > gemstone will

> >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is

> >>> > > bigger

> >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen

> >>> > > very good

> >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible, offer

> >>> > > dakshina and

> >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round

> >>> > > the neck

> >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th

> >>> > > lord

> >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc.

> >>> > > So why not

> >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is

> >>> > > wealth and

> >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant

> >>> > > for you

> >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka

> >>> > > lagna.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Love,

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Swee

> >>>> > >> sweechan@

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited

> >>> > > and only

> >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD

> >>> > > article).

> >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to

> >>> > > know why in

> >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis

> >>> > > is

> >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that

> >>> > > " larger is

> >>>>> > >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights

> >>> > > are

> >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are

> >>> > > not

> >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for

> >>> > > my case

> >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am

> >>> > > wondering

> >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone

> >>> > > would be

> >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated

> >>> > > vs.

> >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by

> >>> > > another person

> >>>>> > >>> earlier ?

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Thank you.

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Sourav

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>> > >

> >>> ========================================================================\

> >>> > > ======

> >>>>> > >>> ===================

> >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also

> >>> > > did penances

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their

> punya

> >>> > > is good

> >>>>>> > >>>> to

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of

> the

> >>> > > 9th

> >>>>>> > >>>> house.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th

> >>> > > house, it

> >>>>>> > >>>> does

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all

> >>> > > other

> >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> >>>>>> > >>>> recollection

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY

> >>> > > for a

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the

> >>> > > most abundant

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not

> >>> > > have colour

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause

> >>> > > the colour.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a

> >>> > > diamond with >>

> >>>> > >> the

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)–

> >>> > > note the word,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice

> >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium

> >>> > > grain, take

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5

> >>> > > carats) >>

> >>>> > >> and

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished

> >>> > > 2.46 carat

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-));

> >>> > > “a king who

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes one year

> >>> > > for one carat

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much

> >>> > > faster,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,

> >>> > > less weight

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave

> >>> > > the entire

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King

> >>> > > – that

> >>>>>> > >>>> goes

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated

> in

> >>> > > my

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for

> >>> > > those to

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high

> prices,

> >>> > > is less

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person

> >>> > > told me

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this

> pearl.

> >>> > > BUT what

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the

> >>> > > Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi

> >>> > > family as

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important

> >>> > > factor, though

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of

> >>> > > importance.

> >>>>>> > >>>> Those

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel

> >>> > > finds) are

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to

> the

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory

> >>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a

> >>> > > fraction of a

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the

> Sun

> >>> > > giving

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual >>>>>>>

> equation,

> >>> > > he is not

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the

> >>> > > statement

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the

> >>> > > blue

> >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red

> >>> > > gem (we can

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more

> >>>>>>> meritorious

> >>> > > than the

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best jewels because,

> >>> > > burnt by the

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.

> >>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and

> >>> > > bracelets of

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is

> >>> > > ruled by

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An

> >>> > > emerald is

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or a

> >>> > > square, so like that,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal

> >>> > > as

> >>>>>> > >>>> suggested

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that

> >>> > > it is an

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing

> >>> > > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we

> >>> > > now know

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda >>>>>>>

> considers

> >>> > > another

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many

> >>> > > ifs and

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A

> >>> > > Green Diamond

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond

> should

> >>> > > be worn

> >>>>>> > >>>> by

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a

> >>> > > son should

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of

> the

> >>> > > values

> >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to

> >>> > > determine how

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these

> >>> > > proposed weights

> >>>> > >> ?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be

> >>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For

> >>> > > example,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> high

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the

> >>> > > gemstone ? Also,

> >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I

> >>> > > understand

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty

> >>> > > perspective,

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> some

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have

> an

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5

> >>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>> > > =================================================================

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>> > >>

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

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Jaya Jaganantha

 

Dear Swee

Hare Krishna

 

I was just

reading the same chapter a few days ago.  I know we were talking about gems on

this thread, but I just wanted to further clarify colours of planets.  Do you

have a reference for Rahu & Ketu and what colours are attributed to them.  

 

 

If there is no

reference, could this explanation hold…. With Rahu & Ketu being

shadow planets and Moon represented by White, would it be correct to attribute

shades of grey to them. 

 

Also, is there

a reference to why Blue is traditionally represented by Saturn.  Further, is

brown attributed to Rahu or should we look at a combination of the following planets

making up brown…. Red (Mars) + Jupiter (Yellow) + Saturn (Blue)

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

03 October 2006 06:44 PM

Sohamsa

Re: Re: To

Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave

Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

According to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the following:

Sun – Copper

Moon – White

Mars – Deep Red (Scarlet)

Mercury – Green

Jupiter – Yellow

Venus – Variegated

Saturn – Jet Black

 

You will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I am

yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green (more

Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more “Tea”

colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion

between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his

writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in

Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)

 

The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine the

light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow. This is

how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the gemstones.

The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the

Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through its

size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well, though

perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in Sapphires, the

rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of course, we recognise

the red colour as Ruby (red).

Titanum and iron colours it Blue – Blue sapphire

Iron colours it Yellow – Yellow Sapphire

etc., etc.

The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It is

the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas

that is called Bhisma mani – these are as lustrous as the Sankha and

Lilies etc. The size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who

wears this round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes

for many years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a

chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in

marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).

The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours – in the trade, the Salmon

Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue or

the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin

particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest, it

further blesses women with sons.

According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is NO

difference.

 

On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in

heaven for the 10 days and the next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals

and the next 10, it remains in patala region. This should be interesting to

consider in your japa/puja.

It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an installment.

Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon fall in it.

I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a day

and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering from

dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put it on

during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green Tourmaline

has made me rather verbose :-))

 

Have to go.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/2/06 4:34 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare

Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

namaskar.

First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats

away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times

before.

 

Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because

he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) " Imperial Topaz/Yellow

Sapphire " is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions

that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green

Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and

emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.

 

Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge

on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.

 

Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing

ratna, when your time permits.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

=================================================================

 

sohamsa ,

Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz,

for

> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is

> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural

> crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow

> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the

difference?

> There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated

that the

> King should wear the entire “booty.”

> The only one mentioned that has less “power” is the crystal. I

can gather

> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz

> crystal – citrine in this case.

>

> Sorry for being nebulous.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

> On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your

> > statement here.

> > sohamsa ,

Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Gurave Namah

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav et al,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is

being translated is

> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl

should be the

> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the

beryl family,

> >> hence

> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply.

Take note that

> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a

fraction of the

> >> price

> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically

> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna -

Yellow Sapphire) for my

> >>> self

> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do

the same. What are the

> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ==================================================================

> >>> > > sohamsa ,

Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I

wanted to say.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our

expectations and the demand of our

> >>>>> natures.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > ************************************************

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > -----Original

Message-----

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep

2006 11:40:47 -0000

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Subject:

Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about

> gemstones

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama

Krsna ||

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank

you for sharing the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come

across this technique of 80x magnification.

> This is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your

suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire

> >>>>>>> of a *pale*

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color

rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be

address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA.

Also, does P-G-A

> seller

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good

qualities ?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my

chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It

> should be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978,

5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is

> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart,

Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

> in Lagna

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart.

Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga

> >>>>>>> thus. Guru

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in

Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is

> >>>>>>> very strong

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in

Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th

> house and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary

control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But

> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to

transfer the power to Guru, he suggested

> >>>>>>> Mantras and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only

gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in

anticipation.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> ==================================================================

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@

wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I

think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

> >>>>>>>>> section in the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

> not agree

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

(my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.

> Now, the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically

> states that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

to be avoided.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT

> heat

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> >>>>>>>>> magnification

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

> about 80x,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

> From

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that

> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

> the rough

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

> facets the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but

> Sri Lankan

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

currently live in USA,

then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help

> you. Though

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what

> you request

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended –

> ALL, topaz

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

> >>>>>>>>> radiation from

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

> 0.8 = 5.6

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

> answer. But

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

> hence a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

for a weight challenged person to put on a

> >>>>>>>>> “bigger-is-better”

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

> >>>>>>>>> question: Is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I

> have seen

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible,

> offer

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone –

> >>>>>>>>> either round

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

(which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and

> is your 5th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti,

> luck etc.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

> it is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th

> lord on

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra

> was meant

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

> and paka

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is

> very limited

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

> have your JD

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.

> I wanted to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not

> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it

> just that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > " larger is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this

> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and

> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless

> 7 ratti stone

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of

> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> earlier ?

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> Thank you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> ========================================================================\

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> ===================

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>> sohamsa ,

Swee Chan sweechan@

> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Om

Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to

understand that a King in days

> of yore also

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are

in their present life.

> Hence their

> >> > punya

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with

fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only

recommend a Yellow Sapphire

> for the 9th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>

> >>>> does

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the

statements in the puranas;

> that amongst all

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> jewels,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is

best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> recollection

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also

says that Saturn is capable

> of giving a RY

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please

check).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the

diamond is created out of

> carbon and is the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem”

found in the world. Originally, all

> gemstones do not

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white)

but a foreign matter/minerals

> in them cause

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I

have come across, both

> indicate that a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with

>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc,

pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)–

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the

Garuda Purana, it states 20

> tandula (rice

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard

seeds). Since the all-season

> rice is medium

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or

less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

> 800mg; 1 gram=5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only

given for the diamond. A

> rough unpolished

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons

is almost a mote (well

> nearly) :-));

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > “a king

who

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond

wins all his enemies”. It

> takes one year

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise.

For a cloudy gem, the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of

the crystalisation is

> evident.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your

questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is

this, for those that are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is

a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and

said all these should be

> worn by the King

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > – that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> goes

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha,

rudhira etc. (This

> was also stated

> >> > in

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also

stated that the Pearl

should

> be big and for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money,

the sankha pearl though

> sky high

> >> > prices,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the

oyster pearl. I say this,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many

years and saved up just to

> get this

> >> > pearl.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to

another – so its all

> relative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat),

lustrous (clarity), colours

> equated to the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a

light blue gem

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and

commercialism considers the cut as

> an important

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it

considers the crystallised

> rough gem of

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> Those

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves,

broken, jagged etc

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The

rest like internal flaws,

> dirt, alien to

> >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be

avoided for the King who

> wishes victory

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several

houses) and long life

> (Moon etc)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in

the intro. An unfaceted

> diamond is a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do

consider this :-)) The

> addendum to the

> >> > Sun

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is

not quite the case. In

> spiritual >>>>>>>

> >> > equation,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If

we agree on this, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that

one who wishes to wear

> the ruby or the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> sapphire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure.

Beginning from the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red

beryly here), the red gem is

> more

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

meritorious

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should

always wear the best

> jewels because,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the

evil goes away from the

> body of a man. V.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The

crown, hand ornaments,

> necklace and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared

from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes

according to the planets,

> the oval shape is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with

the nature of the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an

“emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular

> or a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like

that,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close

as possible to the shape

> of the crystal

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> suggested

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we

must avoid for a small

> sized gem is that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be

avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone

> Mercury, a waxing

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the

work as well as Yellow

> Sapphire, as we

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda

>>>>>>>

> >> > considers

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation

of the 52 types of magic.

> There are many

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a

diamond and the colours are

> important. A

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of

Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A

> brown diamond

> >> > should

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >>>> by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white

one by a Brahmin. A woman

> who wishes for a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond

unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM,

" Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare

Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear

Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar.

I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

gemstones. If you have time can you please

> answer?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In

VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

> given. Some of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

relatively high. Is there a specific

> calculation done to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is

needed ? What is the rationality

> behind these

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does

ratti weights depend on a specific

> purpose to be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does

ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> high

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality,

less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does

ratti weight selection depend on the

> cut of the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there

some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the

stability of the cystal perspective

> or from beauty

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> some

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific

cuts are chosen. I want to know if

> these cuts have

> >> > an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can

you give me an idea for the rattis

> weights and cuts 5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly

used that can be recommended to

> people ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best

wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> =================================================================

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare Raama Krsna

 

Namaste Swee Ji et al,

 

That was going to be my next question, why the difference in colors ascribed to a planet and the gemstone; why a "black saturn" has a blue sapphire as the gemstone?

 

Luckily we have our guru who knows all the answers to guide us...

 

Charan Sparsh;

Gaurav

 

 

In a message dated 10/3/2006 8:29:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sweechan writes:

Om Gurave NamahDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaVishnu Dharmottara Khanda I Chapter 106.91-94– Markandeya said, Brahma, in his desire of creation, firstly made the Sun consisting of light. In the same manner, he made Rahu, a globe, consisting of darkness. Simhika, the daughter of Daksha prajapati approached her husband Sage Kashyapa when he was offering penance. Due to this, Kashyapa told her that the cursed birth of her son will be demonic in nature, hence the birth of Rahu as rakshasha.Padma Purana ascribes Rahu’s colour to be Black, the same as Saturn and the colour for Ketu is the same as Mars.The colours of the Zodiacal Signs are also different as in the colours of the Gemstones ascribed to the Planets. Why the muddle??Love,SweeOn 10/3/06 1:35 AM, "Bipin Prag" <bipin.prag wrote:

Jaya Jaganantha Dear SweeHare Krishna I was just reading the same chapter a few days ago. I know we were talking about gems on this thread, but I just wanted to further clarify colours of planets. Do you have a reference for Rahu & Ketu and what colours are attributed to them. If there is no reference, could this explanation hold…. With Rahu & Ketu being shadow planets and Moon represented by White, would it be correct to attribute shades of grey to them. Also, is there a reference to why Blue is traditionally represented by Saturn. Further, is brown attributed to Rahu or should we look at a combination of the following planets making up brown…. Red (Mars) + Jupiter (Yellow) + Saturn (Blue) Best Wishes Bipin

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan03 October 2006 06:44 PMSohamsaRe: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstonesOm Gurave NamahDear Sourav,NamasteAccording to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the following:Sun – CopperMoon – WhiteMars – Deep Red (Scarlet)Mercury – GreenJupiter – YellowVenus – VariegatedSaturn – Jet BlackYou will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I am yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green (more Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more “Tea†colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine the light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow. This is how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the gemstones.The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through its size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well, though perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in Sapphires, the rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of course, we recognise the red colour as Ruby (red).Titanum and iron colours it Blue – Blue sapphireIron colours it Yellow – Yellow Sapphireetc., etc.The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It is the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas that is called Bhisma mani – these are as lustrous as the Sankha and Lilies etc. The size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who wears this round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes for many years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours – in the trade, the Salmon Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue or the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest, it further blesses women with sons.According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is NO difference.On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in heaven for the 10 days and the next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals and the next 10, it remains in patala region. This should be interesting to consider in your japa/puja.It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an installment. Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon fall in it.I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a day and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering from dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put it on during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green Tourmaline has made me rather verbose :-))Have to go.Love,SweeOn 10/2/06 4:34 PM, "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||Dear Swee-ji, namaskar. First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) "Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire" is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing ratna, when your time permits.Best wishes,Sourav================================================================= sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sourav,> Namaste> > This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural> crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the difference?> There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the> King should wear the entire “booty.â€> The only one mentioned that has less “power†is the crystal. I can gather> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz> crystal – citrine in this case.> > Sorry for being nebulous.> > Love,> > Swee> > > On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your> > statement here. > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > > >> > Dear Sourav et al,> >> > Namaste> >> > > >> > If the suggestion of a “blue emerald†is what is being translated is> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family,> >> hence> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the> >> price> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.> >> > > >> > Love,> >> > > >> > Swee> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,> >>> > > > >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my> >>> self> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?> >>> > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>> > > > >>> > > Sourav> >>> > > > >>> > > ==================================================================> >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our> >>>>> natures.> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > ************************************************> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about> gemstones> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.> This is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire> >>>>>>> of a *pale*> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).> Please> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A> seller> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It> should be> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is> in Lagna> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga> >>>>>>> thus. Guru> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is> >>>>>>> very strong> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th> house and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested> >>>>>>> Mantras and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> ==================================================================> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological> >>>>>>>>> section in the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do> not agree> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.> Now, the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically> states that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT> heat> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat> treated?> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x> >>>>>>>>> magnification> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least> about 80x,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.> From> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase> the rough> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and> facets the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but> Sri Lankan> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help> you. Though> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what> you request> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended –> ALL, topaz> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the> >>>>>>>>> radiation from> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x> 0.8 = 5.6> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to> answer. But> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,> hence a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a> >>>>>>>>> “bigger-is-betterÂâ€> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your> >>>>>>>>> question: Is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I> have seen> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and> flowers> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible,> offer> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone –> >>>>>>>>> either round> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and> is your 5th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti,> luck etc.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If> it is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th> lord on> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra> was meant> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana> and paka> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is> very limited> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also> have your JD> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.> I wanted to> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it> just that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > "larger is> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless> 7 ratti stone> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> ========================================================================\> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days> of yore also> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.> Hence their> >> > punya> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all> indications of> >> > the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire> for the 9th> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;> that amongst all> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and> unbreakable. If> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable> of giving a RY> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of> carbon and is the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem†found in the world. Originally, all> gemstones do not> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals> in them cause> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both> indicate that a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu> Dharmottara)–> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20> tandula (rice> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season> rice is medium> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati => 800mg; 1 gram=5> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A> rough unpolished> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well> nearly) :-));> >>>>>>> > >>> > > “a king who> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemiesÂâ€. It> takes one year> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is> evident.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu> Dharmottara gave> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be> worn by the King> >>>>>>> > >>> > > – that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This> was also stated> >> > in> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should> be big and for> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though> sky high> >> > prices,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this,> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to> get this> >> > pearl.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all> relative.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours> equated to the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as> an important> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised> rough gem of> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws,> dirt, alien to> >> > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who> wishes victory> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life> (Moon etc)> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted> diamond is a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The> addendum to the> >> > Sun> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In> spiritual >>>>>>>> >> > equation,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear> the ruby or the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is> more> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best> jewels because,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the> body of a man. V.> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,> necklace and> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –> Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets,> the oval shape is> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an “emerald†cut/cut corner rectangular> or a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape> of the crystal> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small> sized gem is that> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an> emerald.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone> Mercury, a waxing> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow> Sapphire, as we> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>> >> > considers> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.> There are many> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are> important. A> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A> brown diamond> >> > should> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman> who wishes for a> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette> (rectangle).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please> answer?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is> given. Some of> >> > the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific> calculation done to> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality> behind these> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific> purpose to be> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the> gemstone ? For> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the> cut of the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific> gemstones ? I> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective> or from beauty> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if> these cuts have> >> > an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. 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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

According to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the following:

Sun – Copper

Moon – White

Mars – Deep Red (Scarlet)

Mercury – Green

Jupiter – Yellow

Venus – Variegated

Saturn – Jet Black

 

You will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I am yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green (more Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more “Tea” colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)

 

The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine the light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow. This is how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the gemstones.

The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through its size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well, though perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in Sapphires, the rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of course, we recognise the red colour as Ruby (red).

Titanum and iron colours it Blue – Blue sapphire

Iron colours it Yellow – Yellow Sapphire

etc., etc.

The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It is the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas that is called Bhisma mani – these are as lustrous as the Sankha and Lilies etc. The size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who wears this round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes for many years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).

The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours – in the trade, the Salmon Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue or the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest, it further blesses women with sons.

According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is NO difference.

 

On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in heaven for the 10 days and the next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals and the next 10, it remains in patala region. This should be interesting to consider in your japa/puja.

It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an installment. Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon fall in it.

I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a day and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering from dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put it on during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green Tourmaline has made me rather verbose :-))

 

Have to go.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/2/06 4:34 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

namaskar. First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.

 

Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) " Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire " is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.

 

Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.

 

Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing ratna, when your time permits.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

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sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for

> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is

> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural

> crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow

> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the difference?

> There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the

> King should wear the entire “booty.”

> The only one mentioned that has less “power” is the crystal. I can gather

> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz

> crystal – citrine in this case.

>

> Sorry for being nebulous.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

> On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your

> > statement here.

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Gurave Namah

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav et al,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is being translated is

> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the

> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family,

> >> hence

> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that

> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the

> >> price

> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically

> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my

> >>> self

> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the

> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ==================================================================

> >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our

> >>>>> natures.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > ************************************************

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about

> gemstones

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.

> This is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire

> >>>>>>> of a *pale*

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A

> seller

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It

> should be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is

> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

> in Lagna

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga

> >>>>>>> thus. Guru

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is

> >>>>>>> very strong

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th

> house and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But

> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested

> >>>>>>> Mantras and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> ==================================================================

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

> >>>>>>>>> section in the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

> not agree

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.

> Now, the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically

> states that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT

> heat

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> >>>>>>>>> magnification

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

> about 80x,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

> From

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that

> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

> the rough

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

> facets the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but

> Sri Lankan

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help

> you. Though

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what

> you request

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended –

> ALL, topaz

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

> >>>>>>>>> radiation from

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

> 0.8 = 5.6

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

> answer. But

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

> hence a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a

> >>>>>>>>> “bigger-is-better”

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

> >>>>>>>>> question: Is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I

> have seen

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible,

> offer

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone –

> >>>>>>>>> either round

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and

> is your 5th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti,

> luck etc.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

> it is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th

> lord on

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra

> was meant

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

> and paka

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is

> very limited

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

> have your JD

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.

> I wanted to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not

> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it

> just that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > " larger is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this

> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and

> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless

> 7 ratti stone

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of

> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> ========================================================================\

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@

> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days

> of yore also

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.

> Hence their

> >> > punya

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire

> for the 9th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;

> that amongst all

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable

> of giving a RY

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of

> carbon and is the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem” found in the world. Originally, all

> gemstones do not

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals

> in them cause

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both

> indicate that a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)–

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20

> tandula (rice

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season

> rice is medium

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

> 800mg; 1 gram=5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A

> rough unpolished

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well

> nearly) :-));

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > “a king who

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It

> takes one year

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is

> evident.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be

> worn by the King

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > – that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This

> was also stated

> >> > in

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should

> be big and for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though

> sky high

> >> > prices,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to

> get this

> >> > pearl.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all

> relative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours

> equated to the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as

> an important

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised

> rough gem of

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws,

> dirt, alien to

> >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who

> wishes victory

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life

> (Moon etc)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted

> diamond is a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The

> addendum to the

> >> > Sun

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In

> spiritual >>>>>>>

> >> > equation,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear

> the ruby or the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is

> more

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best

> jewels because,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the

> body of a man. V.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,

> necklace and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets,

> the oval shape is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular

> or a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape

> of the crystal

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small

> sized gem is that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone

> Mercury, a waxing

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow

> Sapphire, as we

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>

> >> > considers

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.

> There are many

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are

> important. A

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A

> brown diamond

> >> > should

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman

> who wishes for a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please

> answer?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

> given. Some of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific

> calculation done to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality

> behind these

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific

> purpose to be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the

> cut of the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective

> or from beauty

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if

> these cuts have

> >> > an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis

> weights and cuts 5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to

> people ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> =================================================================

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> >

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Bipin,

Hare Krishna

 

Vishnu Dharmottara Khanda I Chapter 106.91-94– Markandeya said, Brahma, in his desire of creation, firstly made the Sun consisting of light. In the same manner, he made Rahu, a globe, consisting of darkness. Simhika, the daughter of Daksha prajapati approached her husband Sage Kashyapa when he was offering penance. Due to this, Kashyapa told her that the cursed birth of her son will be demonic in nature, hence the birth of Rahu as rakshasha.

Padma Purana ascribes Rahu’s colour to be Black, the same as Saturn and the colour for Ketu is the same as Mars.

The colours of the Zodiacal Signs are also different as in the colours of the Gemstones ascribed to the Planets. Why the muddle??

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/3/06 1:35 AM, " Bipin Prag " <bipin.prag wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Jaya Jaganantha

 

Dear Swee

Hare Krishna

 

I was just reading the same chapter a few days ago.  I know we were talking about gems on this thread, but I just wanted to further clarify colours of planets.  Do you have a reference for Rahu & Ketu and what colours are attributed to them.  

 

If there is no reference, could this explanation hold…. With Rahu & Ketu being shadow planets and Moon represented by White, would it be correct to attribute shades of grey to them. 

 

Also, is there a reference to why Blue is traditionally represented by Saturn.  Further, is brown attributed to Rahu or should we look at a combination of the following planets making up brown…. Red (Mars) + Jupiter (Yellow) + Saturn (Blue)

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

03 October 2006 06:44 PM

Sohamsa

Re: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

According to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the following:

Sun – Copper

Moon – White

Mars – Deep Red (Scarlet)

Mercury – Green

Jupiter – Yellow

Venus – Variegated

Saturn – Jet Black

 

You will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I am yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green (more Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more “Tea” colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)

 

The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine the light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow. This is how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the gemstones.

The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through its size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well, though perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in Sapphires, the rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of course, we recognise the red colour as Ruby (red).

Titanum and iron colours it Blue – Blue sapphire

Iron colours it Yellow – Yellow Sapphire

etc., etc.

The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It is the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas that is called Bhisma mani – these are as lustrous as the Sankha and Lilies etc. The size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who wears this round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes for many years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).

The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours – in the trade, the Salmon Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue or the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest, it further blesses women with sons.

According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is NO difference.

 

On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in heaven for the 10 days and the next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals and the next 10, it remains in patala region. This should be interesting to consider in your japa/puja.

It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an installment. Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon fall in it.

I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a day and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering from dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put it on during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green Tourmaline has made me rather verbose :-))

 

Have to go.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/2/06 4:34 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

namaskar. First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.

 

Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) " Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire " is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.

 

Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.

 

Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing ratna, when your time permits.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

=================================================================

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for

> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is

> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural

> crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow

> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the difference?

> There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the

> King should wear the entire “booty.”

> The only one mentioned that has less “power” is the crystal. I can gather

> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz

> crystal – citrine in this case.

>

> Sorry for being nebulous.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

> On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your

> > statement here.

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Gurave Namah

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav et al,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is being translated is

> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the

> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family,

> >> hence

> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that

> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the

> >> price

> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically

> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my

> >>> self

> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the

> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ==================================================================

> >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our

> >>>>> natures.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > ************************************************

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about

> gemstones

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.

> This is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire

> >>>>>>> of a *pale*

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A

> seller

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It

> should be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is

> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

> in Lagna

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga

> >>>>>>> thus. Guru

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is

> >>>>>>> very strong

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th

> house and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But

> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested

> >>>>>>> Mantras and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> ==================================================================

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

> >>>>>>>>> section in the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

> not agree

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.

> Now, the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically

> states that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT

> heat

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> >>>>>>>>> magnification

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

> about 80x,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

> From

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that

> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

> the rough

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

> facets the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but

> Sri Lankan

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help

> you. Though

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what

> you request

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended –

> ALL, topaz

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

> >>>>>>>>> radiation from

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

> 0.8 = 5.6

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

> answer. But

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

> hence a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a

> >>>>>>>>> “bigger-is-better”

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

> >>>>>>>>> question: Is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I

> have seen

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible,

> offer

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone –

> >>>>>>>>> either round

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and

> is your 5th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti,

> luck etc.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

> it is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th

> lord on

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra

> was meant

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

> and paka

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is

> very limited

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

> have your JD

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.

> I wanted to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not

> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it

> just that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > " larger is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this

> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and

> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless

> 7 ratti stone

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of

> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> ========================================================================\

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@

> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days

> of yore also

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.

> Hence their

> >> > punya

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire

> for the 9th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;

> that amongst all

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable

> of giving a RY

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of

> carbon and is the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem” found in the world. Originally, all

> gemstones do not

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals

> in them cause

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both

> indicate that a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)–

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20

> tandula (rice

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season

> rice is medium

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

> 800mg; 1 gram=5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A

> rough unpolished

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well

> nearly) :-));

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > “a king who

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It

> takes one year

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is

> evident.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be

> worn by the King

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > – that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This

> was also stated

> >> > in

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should

> be big and for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though

> sky high

> >> > prices,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to

> get this

> >> > pearl.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all

> relative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours

> equated to the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as

> an important

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised

> rough gem of

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws,

> dirt, alien to

> >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who

> wishes victory

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life

> (Moon etc)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted

> diamond is a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The

> addendum to the

> >> > Sun

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In

> spiritual >>>>>>>

> >> > equation,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear

> the ruby or the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is

> more

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best

> jewels because,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the

> body of a man. V.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,

> necklace and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets,

> the oval shape is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular

> or a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape

> of the crystal

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small

> sized gem is that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone

> Mercury, a waxing

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow

> Sapphire, as we

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>

> >> > considers

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.

> There are many

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are

> important. A

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A

> brown diamond

> >> > should

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman

> who wishes for a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please

> answer?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

> given. Some of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific

> calculation done to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality

> behind these

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific

> purpose to be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the

> cut of the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective

> or from beauty

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if

> these cuts have

> >> > an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis

> weights and cuts 5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to

> people ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> =================================================================

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

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Dear Swee-ji,

namaskar. Thank you for providing this learned information. I am assured that Sanjay-ji meant Yellow Sapphire in my case then, and the term 'Yellow' topaz is a mistake.

I have been looking for a suitable Muhurta for wearing my gemstone and decided this:

October 10, 2006, 15:33(4:00 West of GMT), Greenbelt, USA, 76W52'33", 39N00'16"

Lagna: Makara, Navamsa Vrisabha, Chandra Vargottama & Mangala Vargottama, Tuesday, Krsna Panchami.

The knowledge is based on what is given in Dr. Raman's Muhurta Book. He mentioned that Yoga-Vyatipata is defunct after midday.

My analysis: Chandra is alone in exaltation rasi and in Rohini Nakshatra of which he is the lord and is placed in a trine to Muhurta Lagna. Lagna is Makara and its lord is well-placed in the 7th in Karka with digvala. It is aspected by exalted Chandra. Tithi lord Guru is well placed in the 10th house. Vara and Karana lord Mangal is well placed in 9th house and Sukra is in parivartana with Budha, to be noted. Yoga lord Rahu is well placed in the 3rd house but close to gandanta. The navamsa is in trines to lagna rasi. But Muhurta Lagna and Muhurta Chandra are in 8th from my Janma Lagna and Janma rasi. This is not well for marriage but for ratna-dharana, will this be a difficulty ?

Your learned remarks are solicited.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sourav,> Namaste> > According to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the> following:> Sun ­ Copper> Moon ­ White> Mars ­ Deep Red (Scarlet)> Mercury ­ Green> Jupiter ­ Yellow> Venus ­ Variegated> Saturn ­ Jet Black> > You will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I> am yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green> (more Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more ³Tea²> colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion> between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his> writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in> Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)> > The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine> the light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow.> This is how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the> gemstones.> The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the> Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through> its size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well,> though perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in> Sapphires, the rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of> course, we recognise the red colour as Ruby (red).> Titanum and iron colours it Blue ­ Blue sapphire> Iron colours it Yellow ­ Yellow Sapphire> etc., etc.> The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It> is the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas that is> called Bhisma mani ­ these are as lustrous as the Sankha and Lilies etc. The> size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who wears this> round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes for many> years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a> chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in> marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).> The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours ­ in the trade, the Salmon> Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue> or the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin> particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest,> it further blesses women with sons.> According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is> NO difference.> > On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in heaven for the 10 days and the> next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals and the next 10, it remains> in patala region. This should be interesting to consider in your japa/puja.> It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an> installment. Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon> fall in it.> I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a> day and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering> from dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put> it on during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green> Tourmaline has made me rather verbose :-))> > Have to go.> > Love,> > Swee> > > On 10/2/06 4:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > namaskar. First of all sorry for my> > half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages> > and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.> > > > Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because> > he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) "Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire" is> > mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet> > and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute> > for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if> > this can be considered correct.> > > > Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on> > the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.> > > > Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing> > ratna, when your time permits.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > =================================================================> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > > >> > Dear Sourav,> >> > Namaste> >> > > >> > This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, >>> for> >> > your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is> >> > also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural> >> > crystals of yellow colour ­ Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow> >> > Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna ­ why the> >> difference?> >> > There¹s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the> >> > King should wear the entire ³booty.²> >> > The only one mentioned that has less ³power² is the crystal. I can gather> >> > for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz> >> > crystal ­ citrine in this case.> >> > > >> > Sorry for being nebulous.> >> > > >> > Love,> >> > > >> > Swee> >> > > >> > > >> > On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>> > > > >>> > > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your> >>> > > statement here.> >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Om Gurave Namah> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Sourav et al,> >>>>> > >> > Namaste> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > If the suggestion of a ³blue emerald² is what is being translated> is> >>>>> > >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be> the> >>>>> > >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl> >>>>> family,> >>>> > >> hence> >>>>> > >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take> >>>>> note that> >>>>> > >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of> the> >>>> > >> price> >>>>> > >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Love,> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Swee> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically> >>>>>>> > >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire)> for my> >>>>> > >>> self> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same.> >>>>>>> What are the> >>>>>>> > >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> ==================================================================> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I> wanted to say.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the> demand of our> >>>>>>> > >>>>> natures.> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ************************************************> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several> questions about> >> > gemstones> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x> magnification.> >> > This is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for> Yellow Sapphire> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of a *pale*> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color> (likely treated).> >> > Please> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA.> Also, does P-G-A> >> > seller> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead> of p.m. It> >> > should be> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India.> Lagna is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in> 10-th and Guru is> >> > in Lagna> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru> caused neechabhanga> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> thus. Guru> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of> Surya. Ketu is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> very strong> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in> >>>>>>>>>>>> moolatrikona in the 10th> >> > house and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being> Pakesha too). But> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he> suggested> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mantras and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ==================================================================> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan> sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the> gemological> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> section in the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there> that I simply do> >> > not agree> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > with> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct> me).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of> debilitated Mercury.> >> > Now, the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana> categorically> >> > states that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean> almost never NOT> >> > heat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the> gemstone is heat> >> > treated?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > The> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the> Trade, 10x> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> magnification> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the> gemstone to at least> >> > about 80x,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused> by the heating.> >> > From> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does> not have that> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> extra lustre> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat> treated yellow> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best> is to purchase> >> > the rough> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > or> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough> gemstone and> >> > facets the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the> people, but> >> > Sri Lankan> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not> internationally> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> accepted. If> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > you> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can> perhaps help> >> > you. Though> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > his> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are> sure to get what> >> > you request> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being> recommended ­> >> > ALL, topaz> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your> yellow topaz is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a> placebo, the> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> radiation from> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or> the 7 ratti x> >> > 0.8 = 5.6> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave> for Sanjay ji to> >> > answer. But> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the> largest planet,> >> > hence a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ³bigger-is-better²> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer> to your> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> question: Is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats> sufficent? I> >> > have seen> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase,> offer puja and> >> > flowers> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s> blessings if possible,> >> > offer> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your> gemstone ­> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> either round> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in> vaisheshikamsa and> >> > is your 5th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­> job, bhukti,> >> > luck etc.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck> or your arm? If> >> > it is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job> better ­ 11th> >> > lord on> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter> (3-6-9) mantra> >> > was meant> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th> house/badhaksthana> >> > and paka> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate> e-mail> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge> of gemstones is> >> > very limited> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the> groups (I also> >> > have your JD> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of> now and future.> >> > I wanted to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire> is not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major> distinction ? or is it> >> > just that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > "larger is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas,> this> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are> recommended and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed> me to wear a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m.,> Calcutta, Lahiri> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of> course a flawless> >> > 7 ratti stone> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there> a way of> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person> wear a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > ========================================================================\> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee> Chan sweechan@> >> > wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that> a King in days> >> > of yore also> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their> present life.> >> > Hence their> >>>>> > >> > punya> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with> fortune/dharma/religiosity all> >> > indications of> >>>>> > >> > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a> Yellow Sapphire> >> > for the 9th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in> the puranas;> >> > that amongst all> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > other> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is> spotless and> >> > unbreakable. If> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that> Saturn is capable> >> > of giving a RY> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is> created out of> >> > carbon and is the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> ³gem² found in the world.> Originally, all> >> > gemstones do not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign> matter/minerals> >> > in them cause> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come> across, both> >> > indicate that a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small> (from Vishnu> >> > Dharmottara)­> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it> states 20> >> > tandula (rice> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since> the all-season> >> > rice is medium> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46> carats (1 rati => >> > 800mg; 1 gram=5> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the> diamond. A> >> > rough unpolished> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost> a mote (well> >> > nearly) :-));> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ³a king who> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his> enemies². It> >> > takes one year> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy> gem, the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the> crystalisation is> >> > evident.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for> those that are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a> fallacy. The Vishnu> >> > Dharmottara gave> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all> these should be> >> > worn by the King> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ­ that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha,> rudhira etc. (This> >> > was also stated> >>>>> > >> > in> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that> the Pearl should> >> > be big and for> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the> sankha pearl though> >> > sky high> >>>>> > >> > prices,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I> say this,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and> saved up just to> >> > get this> >>>>> > >> > pearl.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another> ­ so its all> >> > relative.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous> (clarity), colours> >> > equated to the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue> gem> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism> considers the cut as> >> > an important> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the> crystallised> >> > rough gem of> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken,> jagged etc> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like> internal flaws,> >> > dirt, alien to> >>>>> > >> > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided> for the King who> >> > wishes victory> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses)> and long life> >> > (Moon etc)> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro.> An unfaceted> >> > diamond is a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider> this :-)) The> >> > addendum to the> >>>>> > >> > Sun> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite> the case. In> >> > spiritual >>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > equation,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree> on this, it> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who> wishes to wear> >> > the ruby or the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning> from the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here),> the red gem is> >> > more> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always> wear the best> >> > jewels because,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes> away from the> >> > body of a man. V.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown,> hand ornaments,> >> > necklace and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from> meritorious gems ­> >> > Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to> the planets,> >> > the oval shape is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature> of the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an ³emerald² cut/cut> corner rectangular> >> > or a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as> possible to the shape> >> > of the crystal> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > as> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid> for a small> >> > sized gem is that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided> especially for an> >> > emerald.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a> stand alone> >> > Mercury, a waxing> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as> well as Yellow> >> > Sapphire, as we> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is> best. The> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > considers> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > another> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52> types of magic.> >> > There are many> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and> the colours are> >> > important. A> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda> Purana). A> >> > brown diamond> >>>>> > >> > should> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a> Brahmin. A woman> >> > who wishes for a> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it> is a baguette> >> > (rectangle).> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav"> souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several> questions regarding> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time> can you please> >> > answer?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of> each gemstone is> >> > given. Some of> >>>>> > >> > the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > values> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a> specific> >> > calculation done to> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the > rationality> >> > behind these> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend > on a specific> >> > purpose to be> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on > quality of the> >> > gemstone ? For> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection > depend on the> >> > cut of the> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts > useful for specific> >> > gemstones ? I> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the > cystal perspective> >> > or from beauty> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I > want to know if> >> > these cuts have> >>>>> > >> > an> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for > the rattis> >> > weights and cuts 5> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be > recommended to> >> > people ?> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> =================================================================> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>> > >> >> >>> > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >>

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Dear Saurav ji

 

For venus / saturn etc group - (e.g. tula rasi) - white pukhraj; and for guru/sun/mars etc group - yellow pukhraj.

 

regards / Prafulla GangOur circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.************************************************

 

souravc108Sent: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:40:21 -0000sohamsa Subject: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my self with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================sohamsa , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:>> Dear Saurav ji> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.> > regards / Prafulla Gang> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our natures.> > ************************************************> > > > > > souravc108 > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000> > sohamsa > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones> > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> > knowledge.> > > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is> > interesting.> > > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller> > also have good qualities ?> > > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be> > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma> > Rasi is Tula.> > > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna> > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru> > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong> > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and> > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th> > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and> > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> > > > Thank you in anticipation.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ==================================================================> > > > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >> > >> Dear Sourav,> >> Namaste> >> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the> > VRA> >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree> > with> >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> >> > >> 1. Peridot ­ To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the> > gemstone> >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that> > this is> >> to be avoided.> >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always ­ I mean almost never NOT heat> > treated. Which> >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated?> > The> >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification> > is the> >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x,> > you> >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From> > experience,> >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre> > that a> >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough> > or> >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> >> gemstones themselves ­ not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan> > and Indian> >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If> > you> >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though> > his> >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request> > for.> >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended ­ ALL, topaz> > comes in> >> either blue of white ­ mostly white. Your yellow topaz is> > irradiated. So it> >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from> > the> >> gemstone does harm to your body.> >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6> > carats> >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But> > the> >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a> > tendency> >> for a weight challenged person to put on a ³bigger-is-better²> > gemstone will> >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is> > bigger> >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen> > very good> >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> >> pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if possible, offer> > dakshina and> >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone ­ either round> > the neck> >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.> >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th> > lord> >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in ­ job, bhukti, luck etc.> > So why not> >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is> > wealth and> >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better ­ 11th lord on> > the> >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant> > for you> >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka> > lagna.> >> > >> > >> Love,> >> > >> Swee> >> sweechan@> >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited> > and only> >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD> > article).> >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to> > know why in> >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis> > is> >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that> > "larger is> >>> better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights> > are> >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are> > not> >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for> > my case> >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am> > wondering> >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone> > would be> >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated> > vs.> >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by> > another person> >>> earlier ?> >>> > >>> Thank you.> >>> > >>> Best wishes,> >>> > >>> Sourav> >>> > >>> > > ========================================================================\> > ======> >>> ===================> >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,> >>>>> Namaste> >>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also> > did penances> >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya> > is good> >>>> to> >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the> > 9th> >>>> house.> >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th> > house, it> >>>> does> >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all> > other> >>>> jewels,> >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> >>>> recollection> >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY> > for a> >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).> >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the> > most abundant> >>>>> ³gem² found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not> > have colour> >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause> > the colour.> >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a> > diamond with >>> >> the> >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)­> > note the word,> >>>>> small ­ in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice> > grain) = 8 x 20 => >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium> > grain, take> >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5> > carats) >>> >> and> >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished> > 2.46 carat> >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-));> > ³a king who> >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies². It takes one year> > for one carat> >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much> > faster,> >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> >>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:> >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,> > less weight> >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave> > the entire> >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King> > ­ that> >>>> goes> >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in> > my> >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for> > those to> >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,> > is less> >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person> > told me> >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.> > BUT what> >>>>> is big may seem small to another ­ so its all relative.> >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the> > Tamal tree,> >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi> > family as> >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important> > factor, though> >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of> > importance.> >>>> Those> >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel> > finds) are> >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the> >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory> > (6th> >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a> > fraction of a> >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun> > giving> >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,> > he is not> >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the> > statement> >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the> > blue> >>>> sapphire> >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red> > gem (we can> >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious> > than the> >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best jewels because,> > burnt by the> >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.> > Dharm.> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and> > bracelets of> >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems ­ Vishnu Dhar.> >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24> >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is> > ruled by> >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An> > emerald is> >>>>> usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner rectangular or a> > square, so like that,> >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal> > as> >>>> suggested> >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that> > it is an> >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing> > Moon, Jupiter> >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we> > now know> >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers> > another> >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many> > ifs and> >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A> > Green Diamond> >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should> > be worn> >>>> by> >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a> > son should> >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> >>>>> > >>>>> Love,> >>>>> > >>>>> Swee> >>>>> sweechan@> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the> > values> >> are> >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to> > determine how> >>>>> much> >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these> > proposed weights> >> ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be> > served ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For> > example,> >>>>> high> >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the> > gemstone ? Also,> >> are> >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I> > understand> >>>>> that> >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty> > perspective,> >>>>> some> >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an> >>>>> astrological> >>>>>>> reason.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5> > gemstones> >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > =================================================================> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Gaurav,

Namaste

 

Black denotes the colour of ignorance. The Mahanila (cobalt blue) is capable of burning away our ignorance. The colours in the group of corundums (sapphires) are able to burn away the darkness of our ignorance and increase our dharma. I gave you the story, it is up to you to contemplate on that.

 

The thing is, no one has touched on the question about Chrysoberyl – it has most of the colours ascribed to each planet including the “hessonite – related colour” as ascribed to Rahu and the Red colour for the Sun. After all, Chrysoberyl IS THE ONLY GEMSTONE that is capable of dispelling KALI DEFECTS ~ as stated in the Garuda Purana.

 

BTW, you’d be interested to know that Indranila has the greenish-blue overtone as in the parti-sapphire! Placed in milk, if the blue colour shows through more, that is the gem that can also be acquired and can work as effectively as the blue sapphire.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

On 10/3/06 8:54 AM, " yobrevol " <yobrevol wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Raama Krsna

 

Namaste Swee Ji et al,

 

That was going to be my next question, why the difference in colors ascribed to a planet and the gemstone; why a " black saturn " has a blue sapphire as the gemstone?

 

Luckily we have our guru who knows all the answers to guide us...

 

Charan Sparsh;

Gaurav

 

 

In a message dated 10/3/2006 8:29:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sweechan writes:

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Bipin,

Hare Krishna

 

Vishnu Dharmottara Khanda I Chapter 106.91-94– Markandeya said, Brahma, in his desire of creation, firstly made the Sun consisting of light. In the same manner, he made Rahu, a globe, consisting of darkness. Simhika, the daughter of Daksha prajapati approached her husband Sage Kashyapa when he was offering penance. Due to this, Kashyapa told her that the cursed birth of her son will be demonic in nature, hence the birth of Rahu as rakshasha.

Padma Purana ascribes Rahu’s colour to be Black, the same as Saturn and the colour for Ketu is the same as Mars.

The colours of the Zodiacal Signs are also different as in the colours of the Gemstones ascribed to the Planets. Why the muddle??

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/3/06 1:35 AM, " Bipin Prag " <bipin.prag wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jaya Jaganantha

 

Dear Swee

Hare Krishna

 

I was just reading the same chapter a few days ago. I know we were talking about gems on this thread, but I just wanted to further clarify colours of planets. Do you have a reference for Rahu & Ketu and what colours are attributed to them.

 

If there is no reference, could this explanation hold…. With Rahu & Ketu being shadow planets and Moon represented by White, would it be correct to attribute shades of grey to them.

 

Also, is there a reference to why Blue is traditionally represented by Saturn. Further, is brown attributed to Rahu or should we look at a combination of the following planets making up brown…. Red (Mars) + Jupiter (Yellow) + Saturn (Blue)

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

03 October 2006 06:44 PM

Sohamsa

Re: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

 

According to Narada Purana, the colours of the seven planets are the following:

Sun – Copper

Moon – White

Mars – Deep Red (Scarlet)

Mercury – Green

Jupiter – Yellow

Venus – Variegated

Saturn – Jet Black

 

You will note that the gemstones ascribed to them vary in their colours. I am yet to see a natural Yellow Topaz. The best comes in Yellowish-Green (more Green overtone). The colour of the Imperial Topaz is more “Tea” colour. Please ignore the suggestions in the VRA for now as the discussion between Sanjay ji and I concluded that he was misinformed at the time of his writing the Gemological Section in the VRA. (In my years of experience in Garnets, I am yet to come across a yellow coloured one!)

 

The colour White belongs to a Brahmin and it is ascribed to Venus. Imagine the light through the white prism that emanates the colours of the rainbow. This is how the Diamond is considered to be the top most amongst the gemstones.

The lightwaves for a White Sapphire is about 20-30% less than that of the Diamond, but this can be made up in the affordable White sapphire through its size. But Garuda Purana states otherwise, that it can work equally well, though perhaps for a different purpose. Except for the red colours in Sapphires, the rest of the colours are all classified as Sapphires. Of course, we recognise the red colour as Ruby (red).

Titanum and iron colours it Blue – Blue sapphire

Iron colours it Yellow – Yellow Sapphire

etc., etc.

The purest is the White Sapphire as it is not tainted with any minerals. It is the semen of Bala asura that fell in the region of the Himalayas that is called Bhisma mani – these are as lustrous as the Sankha and Lilies etc. The size that is similar to that of a White Diamond. The person who wears this round his neck is able to ward off wild animals, satisfy the manes for many years, poisons of snakes will be rendered ineffective (Kala sarpa in a chart), etc, Scorpion (the sign Vrischika when afflicted), floods (Moon in marana), fire (Sun in marana), enemies and thieves (weak 6th).

The Yellow Sapphire and other related colours – in the trade, the Salmon Pink (Yelowish with Pinkish hue) known as padparascha, the cornflower blue or the light blue with more of the white overtone, originated from the skin particles, though the cobalt blue colour gives the same results as the rest, it further blesses women with sons.

According to Garuda Purana, Virtues of all Sapphires are the same, there is NO difference.

 

On the matter of Ganga jal, Ganga remains in heaven for the 10 days and the next 10, it comes to earth to bless the mortals and the next 10, it remains in patala region. This should be interesting to consider in your japa/puja.

It is also suggested that a fixed lagna is good for initiating an installment. Do not forget to discard your janma nakshatra should the Moon fall in it.

I left the muhurta of wearing my Pink Tourmaline to my Guru and he opted a day and time when Sun was in Brahmaloka! I had just come out of suffering from dysentry and the sheer heat generated was welcoming, but I cannot put it on during the up coming summer (temps can soar up to 57degC) - green Tourmaline has made me rather verbose :-))

 

Have to go.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 10/2/06 4:34 PM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee-ji,

 

namaskar. First of all sorry for my half-eaten message. I think these days eats away portions of messages and delivers the rest. It happened three-four times before.

 

Thank you for rectifying. I am just wondering what Sanjay-ji mentioned because he mentioned yellow topaz. In VRA (pp 288) " Imperial Topaz/Yellow Sapphire " is mentioned. I assumed these are same. The article mentions that Yellow Garnet and Yellow Citrine are substitutes and Yellowish-Green Peridot as a substitute for a combination of this precious topaz and emerald. Kindly rectify me if this can be considered correct.

 

Also, in the lost bit of my message, I wanted to seek from you knowledge on the usage of White Sapphire vs. Yellow Sapphire. Kindly educate.

 

Also, please write a few lines on the best choices formuhurta for wearing ratna, when your time permits.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

=================================================================

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

> Namaste

>

> This is in reply to your staement on Topaz as an Uparatna. Yellow Topaz, for

> your information, DOES NOT EXIST. I am suggesting a Yellow Beryl (which is

> also from the same family as the Emerald). There are lots of other natural

> crystals of yellow colour – Chrysoberyl (expensive) for one, Yellow

> Tourmaline. As for the word, Maharatna versus Uparatna – why the difference?

> There’s none, as far as I am concerned. It is categorically stated that the

> King should wear the entire “booty.”

> The only one mentioned that has less “power” is the crystal. I can gather

> for information from various puranas, that it is taken to mean the quartz

> crystal – citrine in this case.

>

> Sorry for being nebulous.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

> On 10/2/06 12:18 PM, " Sourav " souravc108 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. I didn't quite understand your

> > statement here.

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Om Gurave Namah

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sourav et al,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > If the suggestion of a “blue emerald” is what is being translated is

> >> > correct, then it is right to assume that a yellow beryl should be the

> >> > Uparatna and NOT a yellow Topaz. The emerald is from the beryl family,

> >> hence

> >> > all colours related to this family of gemstone should apply. Take note that

> >> > the ywllow beryl, which I think is very beautiful is a fraction of the

> >> price

> >> > and even cheaper than the rare yellow Tourmaline.

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 10/2/06 8:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Sri Prafulla-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > namaskar. Sanjay-ji specifically

> >>> > > recommended wearing Yellow Topaz (Maharatna - Yellow Sapphire) for my

> >>> self

> >>> > > with Tula Janma rasi. Hence I am attempting to do the same. What are the

> >>> > > reasons for white sapphire, he suggested ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ==================================================================

> >>> > > sohamsa , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Dear Saurav ji

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > I made mistake - sorry for tula rasi / lagna, I wanted to say.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > Our circumstances answer to our expectations and the demand of our

> >>>>> natures.

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > ************************************************

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > souravc108@

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:47 -0000

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about

> gemstones

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > knowledge.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.

> This is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > interesting.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire

> >>>>>>> of a *pale*

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A

> seller

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > also have good qualities ?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It

> should be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is

> >>>>>>> Mithuna. Janma

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Rasi is Tula.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

> in Lagna

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga

> >>>>>>> thus. Guru

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is

> >>>>>>> very strong

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > in my chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th

> house and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > takes primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But

> >>>>>>> Ketu is 6th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord. Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested

> >>>>>>> Mantras and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > said the only gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> ==================================================================

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

> >>>>>>>>> section in the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > VRA

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

> not agree

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > with

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury.

> Now, the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically

> states that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > this is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> to be avoided.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT

> heat

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > treated. Which

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated?

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> >>>>>>>>> magnification

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

> about 80x,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

> From

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > experience,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that

> >>>>>>>>> extra lustre

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > that a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

> >>>>>>>>> sapphire, it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

> the rough

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > or

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

> facets the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but

> Sri Lankan

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and Indian

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> >>>>>>>>> accepted. If

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help

> you. Though

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > his

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what

> you request

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended –

> ALL, topaz

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > comes in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > irradiated. So it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

> >>>>>>>>> radiation from

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

> 0.8 = 5.6

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

> answer. But

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

> hence a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > tendency

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> for a weight challenged person to put on a

> >>>>>>>>> “bigger-is-better”

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone will

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

> >>>>>>>>> question: Is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bigger

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I

> have seen

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > very good

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> pertaining to that planet, GuruÂ’s blessings if possible,

> offer

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > dakshina and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone –

> >>>>>>>>> either round

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the neck

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and

> is your 5th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lord

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti,

> luck etc.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So why not

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

> it is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wealth and

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th

> lord on

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra

> was meant

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

> and paka

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lagna.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is

> very limited

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > and only

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

> have your JD

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > article).

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future.

> I wanted to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > know why in

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not

> >>>>>>>>>>> recommended by 7 Rattis

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it

> just that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > " larger is

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> better " concept. For some other ratnas, this

> >>>>>>>>>>> restiction on weights

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > are

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and

> >>>>>>>>>>> higher weights are

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > not

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> yellow topaz for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my case

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

> >>>>>>>>>>> Ayanaamsa). I am

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless

> 7 ratti stone

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > would be

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of

> >>>>>>>>>>> verifying a heated

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > vs.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a

> >>>>>>>>>>> gemstone used by

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another person

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> earlier ?

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Thank you.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> ========================================================================\

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ======

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ===================

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@

> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Firstly we need to understand that a King in days

> of yore also

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > did penances

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to get to where they are in their present life.

> Hence their

> >> > punya

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is good

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire

> for the 9th

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > house, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> does

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> not tally with the statements in the puranas;

> that amongst all

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > other

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> jewels,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> recollection

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable

> of giving a RY

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Consider that the diamond is created out of

> carbon and is the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > most abundant

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> “gem” found in the world. Originally, all

> gemstones do not

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > have colour

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals

> in them cause

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the colour.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> As in both puranas I have come across, both

> indicate that a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > diamond with >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)–

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > note the word,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20

> tandula (rice

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain) = 8 x 20 =

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season

> rice is medium

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > grain, take

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

> 800mg; 1 gram=5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > carats) >>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> this weight is only given for the diamond. A

> rough unpolished

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2.46 carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well

> nearly) :-));

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > “a king who

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It

> takes one year

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for one carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> cooling time is much

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > faster,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> then the degradation of the crystalisation is

> evident.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Answer to your questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> primary gemstones,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > less weight

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the entire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> range of gemstones and said all these should be

> worn by the King

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > – that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> goes

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This

> was also stated

> >> > in

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> article). It is also stated that the Pearl should

> be big and for

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > those to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> want to save some money, the sankha pearl though

> sky high

> >> > prices,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > is less

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> effective than the oyster pearl. I say this,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> because some person

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > told me

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that he waited so many years and saved up just to

> get this

> >> > pearl.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT what

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> is big may seem small to another – so its all

> relative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours

> equated to the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (aquamarine; same beryi

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > family as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as

> an important

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > factor, though

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas, it considers the crystallised

> rough gem of

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > importance.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Those

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc

> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sounds like gravel

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > finds) are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws,

> dirt, alien to

> >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> mineralisation should be avoided for the King who

> wishes victory

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> house?), wealth (several houses) and long life

> (Moon etc)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted

> diamond is a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > fraction of a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The

> addendum to the

> >> > Sun

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > giving

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In

> spiritual >>>>>>>

> >> > equation,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > he is not

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it

> >>>>>>>>>>>> also goes with the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > statement

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear

> the ruby or the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > blue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> sapphire

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystal to the red

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gem (we can

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is

> more

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> meritorious

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > than the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> former. The King should always wear the best

> jewels because,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > burnt by the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the

> body of a man. V.

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,

> necklace and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > bracelets of

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets,

> the oval shape is

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ruled by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Jupiter which goes with the nature of the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> crystalisation. An

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > emerald is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular

> or a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > square, so like that,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> we follow this as close as possible to the shape

> of the crystal

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> suggested

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small

> sized gem is that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it is an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone

> Mercury, a waxing

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Moon, Jupiter

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow

> Sapphire, as we

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now know

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Artharvaveda >>>>>>>

> >> > considers

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > another

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.

> There are many

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ifs and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are

> important. A

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Diamond

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A

> brown diamond

> >> > should

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > be worn

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> by

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman

> who wishes for a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > son should

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gemstones. If you have time can you please

> answer?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

> given. Some of

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > values

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relatively high. Is there a specific

> calculation done to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > determine how

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ratti is needed ? What is the rationality

> behind these

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > proposed weights

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific

> purpose to be

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > example,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> high

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the

> cut of the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstone ? Also,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >> are

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > understand

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the stability of the cystal perspective

> or from beauty

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > perspective,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> some

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if

> these cuts have

> >> > an

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> reason.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis

> weights and cuts 5

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commonly used that can be recommended to

> people ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> =================================================================

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

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