Equal house system is better than placidus house system

February 26, 2009

Dear Sujata ji

It seems you have not understood the concept of four fold table. Jupiter should appear directly in the four fold table. If any significator is aspecting the Jupiter or if any significator is conjoining with Jupiter, then only Jupiter can be included in the significator list. Can you give evidence in support of your statement in KP Readers.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/25/09, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

sujata das <sujatadash1Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 5:04 PM

Dear Mr DhanbalanReg. The husband, 11th lord ve is in close sonj. with sun (1 Degree) so su will substitute for ven, an inferior planet. Ju is in sun star, so becomes significator of 11th bhavaReg. wife, ra is an agent of mar,signifying 2 11We students are not making 4 fold table correctlyRegardsSujata--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, 25 February, 2009, 8:28 AM

Dear Punit ji

Husband DOB:15-4-1965, 23-40PM,Delhi

Wife DOB:14-4-1967, 02-34AM,Delhi

Marriage date:02-05-1991 at Delhi

Husband DBAS on 2-5-1991 are:Jup-Sat- Jup-Sat

Four fold table significators for husband

II Sat

VII Mer,Ketu

XI Mars,Venus

Jupiter did not find a place in four fold table

Wife DBAS on 2-5-1991 are:Rahu-Mer- Rah-Rah

Four fold table significators for wife

II Venus,Sun,Mer, Sat

VII Moon

XI Mars

Rahu did not find a place in four fold table.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:50 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,One chart is not an enough sample size to say that the rule fails. As mentioned, a rule should be judged on at least 100 charts. If the rule doesn't pass with at least 80% accuracy, we can say that rule failed. I can understand that it is not easy for an individual to study 100 charts and that is the reason I suggested 10 as the number to start this process. I believe the same number was mentioned by Tw ji. Would appreciate if you can post at least 10 charts where you find the rule failed and then we will collectively work on that.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system @gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise "practically". Just questioning will not help. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in

examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7.. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. . Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II,

Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > To:

@gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is

not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I

submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system.. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on

the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is

diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > >

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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February 26, 2009

..Dear Mr Dhanbalan

For 11th H, grade D significators should include ra along with sa

Regards

Sujata--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:36 AM

Dear Sujata ji

DBAS lords should appear directly in the four fold table for events. If appeared then only we can decide whether it fructify the event or not.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/25/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:24 PM

Dear Mr DhanbalanJu is in ra star in 12th in kumba but ra also has lordship over makar, the 11th bhava, that is why marriage in ju bhukti. The significators should also include ju for 11th HRegardsSujata--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, 25 February, 2009, 9:41 AM

Dear Punit ji

Quiz5 wife DOB:29-03-1970, 05-50AM, Salem

Marriage date:24-02-1993 at Salem

DBAS on 24-02-1993 are:Ven-Jup- Sat-Ven

Four fold table significators

II Sun.Mar,Sat

VII Moon,Mercury, Venus XI Sun,Sat Jupiter did not find a place in four fold table Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:50 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,One chart is not an enough sample size to say that the rule fails. As mentioned, a rule should be judged on at least 100 charts. If the rule doesn't pass with at least 80% accuracy, we can say that rule failed. I can understand that it is not easy for an individual to study 100 charts and that is the reason I suggested 10 as the number to start this process. I believe the same number was mentioned by Tw ji. Would appreciate if you can post at least 10 charts where you find the rule failed and then we will collectively work on that.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system @gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise "practically". Just questioning will not help. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate.."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in

examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7... In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. . Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II,

Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > To:

@gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is

not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I

submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system... after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on

the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing..> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ ..com r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is

diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > >

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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February 26, 2009

Dear Sujatha ji,Our Guruji invented a divine system in which he himself did some additions/chnages into that as per his further practical study then and there. As you rightly said, he passed away before he gave his further inventions to us.His findings are not the final. He showed the clearest path to us. In his absence its our responsibility to add the necessary findings to his theory according to our practical study. But all will be connected to his findings only. His findings are the base.! His invention is like a preparative procedure to a prepare a product say a tea with milk. Our addition of any flavors or any other ingredients into that is added to his findings as per the case.Suppose he were alive now and had the chance to study these charts, he would have given some important points or findings which we would have taken as it is. We must realise how much doubts or troubles he would have come across while he brought this divine theory to us. He would have had much more questions in his mind than we discuss now. HE IS THE BEST AND IF WE FOLLOW HIM WITH OUR ADDED FINDINGS AS PER ONE'S EXPERIENCE IN THE SAME LINE, WILL DEFINITELY BE SUCCESSFUL

Pranam to our Guruji!RegardsAdith On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

Dear Mr DhanbalanIts rather difficult to understand the effects of ra/ke.. me is in ra star which is a significator of 11th H. Krishnamurthyji died before he could clarify everything. This is the best astrological system, in my opinion. Now, it is for us students to take it further through research.

Regards Sujata--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system

Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 9:10 AM

Dear Punit ji My daughter DOB:15-6-1979, 07-21AM, Salem Marriage date:03-11-2006 at Salem DBAS on 3-11-2006 are:Jup-Mer- Sat-Sun Four fold table significators II Venus,Moon VII Jupiter XI Sun,Moon,Sat, Rahu,Mars, Venus Mercury did not find a place in four fold table Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system

@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:50 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,One chart is not an enough sample size to say that the rule fails. As mentioned, a rule should be judged on at least 100 charts. If the rule doesn't pass with at least 80% accuracy, we can say that rule failed. I can understand that it is not easy for an individual to study 100 charts and that is the reason I suggested 10 as the number to start this process. I believe the same number was mentioned by Tw ji. Would appreciate if you can post at least 10 charts where you find the rule failed and then we will collectively work on that.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system

@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.

I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise " practically " . Just questioning will not help.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

" The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

" Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate. "

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work.

2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the ruler

of certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,

the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:

a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.

Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji

> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect

will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji

requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:

> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.

23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students

> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I

have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp

is a

significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > >

> Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used

> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can

> be found

in

examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same

> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D

> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for

> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.

> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7.. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.>

> Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka

> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened.. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to

> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > " According to Jataka Parijata

(Chapter II,

Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house

> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify

> > both the conditions. " > > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > To:

@gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over

> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed

is

not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp

> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz

> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its

> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have

> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into

> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I

submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system.. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy

> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to

> > enlighten more on the

Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).

> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > >

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord

> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign

> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is

diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps

> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th

> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >

> > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > >

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post

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February 26, 2009

Dear Mr DhanbalanYou are right that she got married in ve ve moon mer.. Ve l/o 2 7 is in close conj. with mer and moon in mer star gave marriageRegarding the 2nd case, sun in ke,agent of sa, l/o 11RegardsSujata--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:26 AM

Dear Sujata ji

I have checked again for the DOB 10-9-1976,20. 35PM,Salem. The DBAS on 12-11-1999 are Ven-Ven-Moon- Mercury for KPNA(2003), 365.24 days. Please check again.

Regarding other chart, it seems you have taken the date as 30-8-1981 whereas I gave 20-8-1981.

Dear Punit ji Female DOB:20-08-1981, 21-41PM,Hydrabad ,Andhra (ref vedic page 157) Marriage date:09-05-2004 at Hydrabad DBAS on 09-05-2004 are:Sun-Sun- Mer-Venus Four fold table significators II Mer,Ven VII Mer,Ven XI Ra,Sat Sun did not find a place in four fold table Dhanabalan

Please confirm the date.--- On Wed, 2/25/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:48 AM

Dear Mr DhanbalanI had made the horoscope on My kundali. com and she got married in ve ve su su.Reg the other horscope sent by u ie dob 30-8-81, tob 21-41, the lagna was coming as libra which doesn't fit in with the significators of 2 7 11.When I reversed the tob to 9-41 am the lagna was aries and it agreed with the significators of 2 7 11, as given by u RegardsSujata--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, 25 February, 2009, 10:13 AM

Dear Punit ji Female DOB:10-09-1976, 20-35PM, Salem Marriage date:23-11-1999 at Salem DBAS on 23-11-1999 are:Ven-Ven- Moon-Mercury Four fold table significators II Jup,Sun,Ven VII Rahu,Sun,Venus XI Saturn Moon and Mercury did not find a place in four fold tableDhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:50 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,One chart is not an enough sample size to say that the rule fails. As mentioned, a rule should be judged on at least 100 charts. If the rule doesn't pass with at least 80% accuracy, we can say that rule failed. I can understand that it is not easy for an individual to study 100 charts and that is the reason I suggested 10 as the number to start this process. I believe the same number was mentioned by Tw ji. Would appreciate if you can post at least 10 charts where you find the rule failed and then we will collectively work on that.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system @gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise "practically". Just questioning will not help. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect

will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp

is a

significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found

in

examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7... In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened.. . Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata

(Chapter II,

Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > To:

@gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed