Equal house system is better than placidus house system

February 23, 2009

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro

ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear

Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to

adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own

chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana

from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I

started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since

a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows

introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of

Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in

the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a

dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey

<punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

February 24, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.

I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise " practically " . Just questioning will not help.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

" The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

" Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate. "

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work.

2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the ruler

of certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,

the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:

a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.

Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji

> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji

requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:

> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.

23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students

> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro

ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars

dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation

in KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

> > > > > Dear

Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used

> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can

> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not

> found to

adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.

> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to

> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.

> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> > having cuspal interception. In my own

chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp

> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.

> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana

from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions. "

> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > >

> > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I

started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai.

> > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and

> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as

> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity

> > since

a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other

> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)

> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not

> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.

> >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences

> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows

introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of

Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in

the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//

> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:

> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition

> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts

> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such

> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a

dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

<punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post

> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

February 24, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

I know and that is why I give you the reference to come up with at

least 10 practical examples. Speculative talking is more than enough

giving nothing practically, and just wasting time and making

confusion for other members.

Regards,

tw

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear TinWin ji

> I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that

Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

> " The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend

it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely

symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the

MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-

pattern.

> " Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a

number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs.

Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate

information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all

a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank

data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate. "

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that cusp?

>

> Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> 1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showing

> that any other house system is working better for KP rules than

> Placidus, we are ready to join your research work.

>

> 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being

analysed

> with equal house system is that they are posted in this house

system.

> Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:

> http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

>

> 3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence

for

> the validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for each

> event, they found that without exception a progressed major or minor

> aspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the

ruler

> of certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreement

> with tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956)

>

> 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy.

> Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter,

Hone,

> the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of

Astrology.

> Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore

the

> easiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal

House

> system:

> a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; all

> other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is not

> the cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.

> b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

> other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is not

> the cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.

> c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,

> beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven are

> not House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0

> degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actually

> be ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

>

> 4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidus

> house system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and

it

> is still leading even though the Koch house system has become

popular.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sujata ji

> > If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house

> matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls

in

> 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my

> understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You

can

> send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from

him.

> He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the

cuspal

> interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

> bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated

> charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying

> the charts with all types of house system and choose the one

suitable

> for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system..

Mr.Punitji

> requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope

> that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>

> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> of that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM

> >

> > Dear Mr Dhanbalan

> > Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.

(Msg.

> 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes

the

> 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to

> some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today,

would

> have given due weightage to research being carried out by his

students

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> of that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

> >

> > Dear TinWin ji

> > Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa,

Mars

> dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus

system. I

> have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

> > Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP

> Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation

> in KP.

> > It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> >

> > tw853 <tw853 >

> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

> >

> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one

> > exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are

explained

> > and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is

used

> > in Vedic.

> >

> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana.

(Msg#8964)

> > These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current

> > observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

> >

> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of

> > Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be

> > intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which

can

> > be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar

and

> > Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no

misplacement

> > of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is

not

> > found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The

same

> > is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house

system

> > is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,

> > only Placidus.

> >

> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D

> > significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators

of

> > Badhaka to be considered.

> >

> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected

according to

> > the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for

> > foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka,

otherwise

> > movable rising borns are almost to be finished.

> >

> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

> > Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play

mates

> > and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.

> > Early death is another matter of short life.

> >

> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to

be

> > wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western

astrology.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar "

> > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected sir

> > > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be

> > > considered .

> > > With Regards

> > > AMIT

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the

cuspal

> > > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the

charts

> > > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna

28

> > > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first

sign. 2nd

> > > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the

badhaka

> > > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic

cusp

> > > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th

sign,

> > > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th

cusp to

> > > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is

weakened.

> > O.k.

> > > > In tradition,

> > > > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order

for a

> > > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

> > > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> > > respectively.

> > > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the

house

> > > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

> > > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many

charts

> > > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will

qualify

> > > both the conditions. "

> > > >

> > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> > > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that

> > cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning

Vedic from

> > > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I

switched over

> > > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines

from

> > > Chennai.

> > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I

applied

> > > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

> > > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed

back and

> > > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible

cases the

> > > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to

> > > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the

subject as

> > > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> > > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features

of the

> > > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining

longevity

> > > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka

lord cusp

> > > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception,

the

> > > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and

the other

> > > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is

diluted becaz

> > > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra

> 11thSun is

> > > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo

(earthy)

> > > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike

> > > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true

bhadhaka

> > > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he

is not

> > > acting as an enemy.

> > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets

its

> > > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a

> > > negative house.

> > > >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many

stalwarts of KP

> > > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might

have

> > > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> > > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they

follow

> > > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into

> > publication.

> > > >

> > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the

experiences

> > > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical

kp

> > > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is

hand

> > > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then

using

> > > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV,

where

> > > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after

> > > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save

soft copy

> > > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely

basing

> > > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> > > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> > > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on

different

> > > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> > > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this

Forum to

> > > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following

principles

> > > existing.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> > > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing

cusps

> > > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

> > > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does

it

> > > encourage/discourag e).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > > >

> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > 3.1.

> > > >

> > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@

r.dhanabalan

> > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

> > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th

cusp may

> > > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka

lord

> > > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in

Leo

> > > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution

of the

> > > bhadhaka intensity.//

> > > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator of

> > > that cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> > > >

> > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the

> > > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house

(while

> > > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp

sign

> > > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal

condition

> > > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd

> > > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition

with its

> > > vyayasthanam.

> > > >

> > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of

charts

> > > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two

cusps

> > > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal

> > > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi,

in such

> > > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its

7th

> > > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we

found

> > > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@

r.dhanabalan

> > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp

falls in

> > > the first sign only.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

> > > >

> > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

> > > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the

house based

> > > system like KP.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web

post

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

> >

>

February 24, 2009

Dear All,

This is my humble opinion about this topic.

1. Placidian houses were developed to support the Mundane and Zodiacal Primary directions by the italian monk. As the Vimshottari Dasha is indicative of directions this fits well in Guruji KSK's scheme of the sky. KP is Vedic + Placidus + KP Ayanamsha. Any other scheme will not be KP.

2. Similarly other systems will have to considered from a total system perspective rather than as a better or worser way of drawing a chart universally. The meanings change completely with every system. This is the case with the sayana of westerners and nirayana of India.

Regards

Ramakrishnan

--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 12:44 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise "practically". Just questioning will not help. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in

examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II,

Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > To:

@gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is

not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I

submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the

Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is

diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > >

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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February 24, 2009

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM