Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Punitji Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according to the sage are: * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) * Moon signlord * Navamsa lagna lord * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already as japanese style. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation). In " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary astrology, as far as I know. The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas taken from these two texts. Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the planets for judging destiny of a native - 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Punitji > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according to the sage are: > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > * Moon signlord > * Navamsa lagna lord > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already as japanese style. > Dhanabalan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Punitji and Dhanbalanji, Does this matter that from where this concept came ? What matters is are we able to use these concepts effectively, without corrupting what has been given to us by KSK ? Life is too short to search and spend time for which stalwart has gained what from where ? If his conclusions are good, then we are supposed to use them and try to contribute by giving more such concepts to the new generations. regards/Bhaskar. , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation). In > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > astrology, as far as I know. > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas > taken from these two texts. > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > > > Dear Punitji > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > to the sage are: > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > * Moon signlord > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > as japanese style. > > Dhanabalan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear friends, Just a small additional information. Day lord is called varesh in traditional astrology and is one of the element in panchang.It governs fire - energy element and While working on Prenatal charts Prof Had a idea that RP should include varesh.( THE PRENATAL EPOCH AND PROGENY KPRP PAGE 34 ONWARD) book Progeny and romance. ON 3 rd may 1971 at 13-08 in Delhi Prof KSK undertook RBT of Mrs. Indira Gandhi.He has described fully application of Prenatal theory also to arrive at BT.This is quite different then described in readers. After all Prof KSK had extensive knowledge of both western and Hindu system.He choose research method for Like many genius some do not find entry into traditional systems, for they are destined to do great work for mankind. with regards. OM TATSATR.C.Srivastava.[Astrologer ] www.cosmograce.com www.kaalvastu.com www.cosmograce.blogspot.com. MMIG 199, Gurukripa Shaheed Nagar AGRA 282001, India, Phones 9412268768. USA +1-(202)-884-9075 ------------------------" we meditate on the adorable effulgence of the lord who creates everything, so it may energize our consciousness."-- - Dhanabalan R kpsystem groups Monday, February 09, 2009 9:49 PM KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Dear Punitji Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according to the sage are: * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) * Moon signlord * Navamsa lagna lord * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already as japanese style. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:(1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. Thanks and regards,tw , "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation). In> "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> astrology, as far as I know. > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> taken from these two texts. > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya", following are the> planets for judging destiny of a native -> > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> to the sage are:> > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > * Moon signlord> > * Navamsa lagna lord> > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> as japanese style.> > Dhanabalan> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, 1. SP Khullar has already mentioned about Pre-natal-Epoch being formulated by Ptolemy and later on developed by Speherial.(BTR p 38) 2. In " Recent Advances in Natal Astrolgy, A Critical Review 1900-1976 " pp 474-477, Dean has said there is fairly conclusive evidence that the use of the prenatal approach for rectification is totally invalid, quoting the research works of Bailey, The Church of Light, Dobyns, Jayne, Kemp, Hone. 3. I had already pointed out your quoted para regarding BTR methods, that is the only place of Guruji KSK's soft tone with compared to his style of forceful wording. Regards, tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear TinWinji > Pre-natal-Epoch is a theory invented by a foreigner(I will give the details afterwards). Mr.KSK tested that theory and found not suitable for BTR. Refer Reader III 2004 edition page 496 to 502 under the heading Pre-natal-epoch, " very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all " , " Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers. " , " will this method of rectification be useful? " > Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > tw853 <tw853 > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:08 AM Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life. > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak. > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three. > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger. > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas > > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Punitji > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > > to the sage are: > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > * Moon signlord > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > > as japanese style. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Rao, 1. The whole astrological world, East & West, knows that all credits go to Guru ji KSK for his invented KP in a systematic way with simple reasoning. 2. History is to learn for those who are interested to look back while going forward. It may not be so bad like advocating the revised KP, without support of sufficient research, as done by Guruji KSK, to be the advanced KP. Regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dears TW & Punit, >                             I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... >                             Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology...the name of the Nadi is also given by him... >                             But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... >                              Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP).. >                             What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how,borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered... >                              Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology. >                             I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves... >                             I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise... >                             With kind regards, >                              L.Y.Rao. >                                         \                 GOOD LUCK ! >                                >                             > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life. > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak. > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three. > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger. > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas > > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Punitji > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > > to the sage are: > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > * Moon signlord > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord > > >  > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > > as japanese style. > > > Dhanabalan > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Dhanabalanji, Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz. Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge. You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ? Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. Please take this positively. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear L.Y.Rao> If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 wrote:> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> , "Tin Win" tw853 Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...> But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves... .> I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:> (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> > to the sage are:> > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > * Moon signlord> > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> > as japanese style.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> >> > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Punitji, We know the date of accident but how we are sure abut date of birth and time is correct?If these are wrong than whole exercise is going to wrong.You are and Dhanbalanji and many are well know the traditional Astrology what are yous opinion as per traditional system about this accident on Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn period,you can justify it?Reason here to only justification only.Mr.Adithji is sure about given data to him? In my view by these data accident should be happened Sun-Mars-Mars-Mares period date i am getting 24-11-2002 or in the period of Sun-Ma-Ke-Ke date 14-2-2003.Native born with Capricorn Ascendant where Mars and Jupiter are strong Markesh,in sever accident we should involve the strong Markesh.Mars,Jupiter ,Sun and Ketu should be involeve as per my views,some extend Saturn because of Ascendant lord for accident. I have some doubt about given data so i have asked the Two question in the forum as topic " Cusp V/S Bhava " but nobody senior have taken in notice and no body attempt it to reply me or guide me where i am wrong or right. We can consider my view just to rectify all doubts.Rules are never wrong applier will be wrong. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Adith ji, > > I agree. Let us be open to all the ideas. The first priority is to get an > accurate answer. In fact, I wish that the followers of four step and cuspal > interlinks also participate so that we can learn from those systems as well. > > > Though only request is to mark non-KP theories as much as possible, so that > beginners are not getting confused. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > gkadithkasinath wrote: > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > I understand and accept your points. It was just my thought. That may not > > be correct also.But let me analyse for any such signfications in any future > > charts .If so, we can discuss on that in the forum. Hope that will be better > > as you said. > > > > Thanks > > Adith > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > > >> Dear Adith ji, > >> > >> *There seems no need to introduce confusion by considering cuspal star > >> lord as significator.* Sun is strong significator of 12th house based on > >> standard KP four fold signification mechanism and this is good enough reason > >> of happening this event in Sun's mahadasa. Having said that, accident is not > >> one time event and it can happen again. Next time, Ketu may be there in > >> place of Sun, as Ketu also strongly signifies 12th and connected with 8th > >> apart from being agent of Sun. We don't know the future yet. > >> > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> > >> Punit Pandey > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > >> gkadithkasinath wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Ramani ji > >>> > >>> I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the signlord they > >>> occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the planets which > >>> aspect them. Also as I have said *why dont we think of the any > >>> importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th cusps*??.Though Ketu > >>> is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. Having all > >>> these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > >>> > >>> Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not dropped ?? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Adith > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramaniwrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > >>>> > >>>> As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > >>>> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this is the > >>>> finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected planet's > >>>> qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite strong here > >>>> being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star lord Mars, > >>>> karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of Lagna > >>>> signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for dropping > >>>> Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the node is > >>>> placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for Rahu. This has > >>>> been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in place of > >>>> planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while scrutinizing the > >>>> Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping the later is in > >>>> accordance with > >>>> Guruji's advice. > >>>> While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in close > >>>> conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it loosss > >>>> whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence Sun as prime > >>>> Dasa lord is > >>>> quite in order. > >>>> > >>>> .With best wishes, > >>>> > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani.. > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > >>>> *To:* > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > >>>> Dear Ramani > >>>> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. Why the > >>>> Mercury was dropped? > >>>> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > >>>> Dhanabalan > >>>> > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani* wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > >>>> > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > >>>> > >>>> Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake demonin > >>>> Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to traditional > >>>> astrology. I am unable to > >>>> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not considered > >>>> in K.P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th attributed to them. > >>>> But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in Dr.K.R.Kar's > >>>> sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been > >>>> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > >>>> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun though > >>>> in conjunction with Kethu is strong > >>>> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > >>>> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > >>>> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > >>>> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > >>>> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > >>>> > >>>> With best wishes, > >>>> > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > >>>> > >>>> I a > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > >>>> Dear Ramani > >>>> > >>>> Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. So Ketu > >>>> represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has to be dropped > >>>> from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > >>>> > >>>> Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has to be > >>>> dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > >>>> > >>>> Dhanabalan > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> @gro ups.com > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > >>>> > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > >>>> > >>>> My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > >>>> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > >>>> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, lord of 11th > >>>> and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for Ayul Saturn and > >>>> Rahu is not involved either with > >>>> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > >>>> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or Bhadhaka, > >>>> though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in strength, as Moon > >>>> is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not significator > >>>> of 8th > >>>> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of 4th & 11th > >>>> (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the picture. Sun is > >>>> in his own star fairly strong. > >>>> Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star lord of 4th, > >>>> 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > >>>> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) associatd with > >>>> another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > >>>> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own sub. Thus > >>>> S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > >>>> 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > >>>> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > >>>> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > >>>> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > >>>> > >>>> Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > >>>> > >>>> With best wishes, > >>>> > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani . > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > >>>> Dear Ramani > >>>> > >>>> I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request > >>>> somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > >>>> > >>>> For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per > >>>> TinWinJi > >>>> > >>>> House > >>>> > >>>> Planets in the sub of planets occupied > >>>> > >>>> Planets in the star of planets occupied > >>>> > >>>> Planets occupied > >>>> > >>>> Planets in the sub of house lord > >>>> > >>>> Planets in the star of house lord > >>>> > >>>> House lord > >>>> > >>>> 8 > >>>> > >>>> Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > >>>> > >>>> Sat > >>>> > >>>> Mar,Sat > >>>> > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > >>>> > >>>> Mer > >>>> > >>>> 12 > >>>> > >>>> Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > >>>> > >>>> Sun, Ketu, Moon, > >>>> > >>>> Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > >>>> > >>>> Rahu > >>>> > >>>> Jup > >>>> > >>>> (6) > >>>> > >>>> Ven > >>>> > >>>> Jup, > >>>> > >>>> Rahu > >>>> > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > >>>> > >>>> Mer > >>>> > >>>> (4) > >>>> > >>>> Venus > >>>> > >>>> Strong significators for > >>>> > >>>> House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > >>>> > >>>> House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > >>>> > >>>> House 6: Venus > >>>> > >>>> House 4: Venus > >>>> > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > >>>> > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > >>>> > >>>> Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > >>>> > >>>> Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > >>>> > >>>> Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > >>>> > >>>> Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in Mars sub > >>>> > >>>> Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon star. > >>>> Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > >>>> > >>>> Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets have come > >>>> as significators) > >>>> > >>>> In the normal practice, > >>>> > >>>> Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > >>>> > >>>> Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > >>>> > >>>> Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > >>>> > >>>> Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But it is > >>>> told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > >>>> > >>>> Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > >>>> > >>>> Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem > >>>> > >>>> Day lord :Moon > >>>> > >>>> Rasi lord :Moon > >>>> > >>>> Rasi star :Mercury > >>>> > >>>> Lagna lord :Moon > >>>> > >>>> Lagna star :Mercury > >>>> > >>>> Moon aspects sun(opposition) > >>>> > >>>> Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in significator > >>>> list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet is Moon only. > >>>> > >>>> To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have included lagna > >>>> sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > >>>> > >>>> Lagna sublord :Venus > >>>> > >>>> Moon Sublord :Rahu > >>>> > >>>> Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > >>>> > >>>> Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > >>>> > >>>> Dhanabalan > >>>> > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> @gro ups.com > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > >>>> > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > >>>> > >>>> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as > >>>> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as > >>>> childish and it is below their > >>>> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their > >>>> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority > >>>> of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study > >>>> and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, > >>>> only few members who have fair > >>>> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > >>>> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > >>>> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly > >>>> more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions > >>>> daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to > >>>> the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested > >>>> persons to gain experience. In the mean time > >>>> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > >>>> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > >>>> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > >>>> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > >>>> initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > >>>> > >>>> With best wishes, > >>>> > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> goes wrong. - > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji > >>>> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it > >>>> would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many > >>>> books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me. > >>>> Dhanabalan > >>>> > >>>> --- On *Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish > >>>> >* wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish > >>>> > > >>>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> @gro ups.com > >>>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > >>>> > >>>> Dear Dhanabalanji, > >>>> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would > >>>> prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating > >>>> in the quiz. > >>>> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or > >>>> yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > >>>> There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of > >>>> time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as > >>>> accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being > >>>> fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, > >>>> embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so > >>>> many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. *Which > >>>> reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.* > >>>> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person > >>>> and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? > >>>> After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions > >>>> that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing > >>>> in Quizzes. Or does he ? > >>>> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) > >>>> both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > >>>> Please take this positively. > >>>> best wishes, > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Dear L.Y.Rao > >>>> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the > >>>> quiz? > >>>> > Dhanabalan > >>>> > > >>>> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > >>>> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > >>>> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > >>>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Dears TW & Punit, > >>>> > I just cannot comprehend as to just what > >>>> people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > >>>> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that > >>>> KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also > >>>> given by him... > >>>> > But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does > >>>> it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > >>>> > Unless of course, the objective seems to > >>>> be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development > >>>> of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > >>>> > What is more important,to my mind, is the > >>>> useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the > >>>> groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered > >>>> what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for > >>>> example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken > >>>> over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be > >>>> discovered.. . > >>>> > Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in > >>>> order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective > >>>> of all inquiring students of astrology. > >>>> > I hope more and more students of > >>>> astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to > >>>> draw attention towards themselves.. . . > >>>> > I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia > >>>> certainly believe likewise... > >>>> > With kind regards, > >>>> > L.Y.Rao. > >>>> > GOOD LUCK ! > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > tw853 tw853 > > >>>> > @gro ups.com > >>>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > >>>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > >>>> > > >>>> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya > >>>> Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > >>>> > > >>>> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one > >>>> is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > >>>> > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling > >>>> planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he > >>>> got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling > >>>> planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and > >>>> also dominate the individual's life. > >>>> > > >>>> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the > >>>> planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat > >>>> Jatak. > >>>> > > >>>> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as > >>>> mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > >>>> > > >>>> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > >>>> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa > >>>> diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis > >>>> occupied by the above three. > >>>> > > >>>> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, > >>>> whichever is stronger. > >>>> > > >>>> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. > >>>> If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which > >>>> the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other > >>>> hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which > >>>> it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > >>>> > > >>>> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > >>>> > > >>>> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of > >>>> birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna > >>>> i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at > >>>> which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment > >>>> at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As > >>>> it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one > >>>> should be taken for preparing the horoscope > >>>> > > >>>> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon > >>>> or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) > >>>> and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > >>>> > > >>>> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the > >>>> combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji > >>>> may call. > >>>> > > >>>> > Thanks and regards, > >>>> > > >>>> > tw > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " punitp@ wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya > >>>> said > >>>> > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining > >>>> the > >>>> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In > >>>> > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using > >>>> these > >>>> > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > >>>> > > astrology, as far as I know. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat > >>>> Jatak " > >>>> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > >>>> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > >>>> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the > >>>> ideas > >>>> > > taken from these two texts. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are > >>>> the > >>>> > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > >>>> > > > >>>> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > >>>> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > >>>> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > >>>> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards, > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Punit Pandey > >>>> > > > >>>> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@wrote: > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Dear Punitji > >>>> > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > >>>> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > >>>> > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > >>>> > > to the sage are: > >>>> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > >>>> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > >>>> > > > * Moon signlord > >>>> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > >>>> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna > >>>> lord > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > >>>> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > >>>> > > as japanese style. > >>>> > > > Dhanabalan > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Punitji, If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious. If we request for more help than we are getting the day lord same on a same day. Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by RPs for any question? It is similar to " Prashan_Marg " of tradition but in simple way.I will try this RPs system with " Pashana'. Thanks for your valuable reply. M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > We can never expect absolutely correct time. We should always have margin > for error and that is the reason I only talked about mahadasa, bhukti and > antardasa and didin't talk about sookshma. In KP, Ruling Planets are used > for devine help and we should used it intelligently. At the time of > judgement, I request divine help for finding Bhukti and Antardaa. Here are > ruling planets I got - > > TOJ: 23:31:14 > DOJ:6 February 2009 > Place: Agra > > Day Lord: Venus > Ascendant Sign Lord: Venus > Ascendant Sign Lord: Rahu > Moon Sign Lord: Mercury > Moon Star Lord: Rahu > > *So the RPs were Venus, Rahu, Mercury. What a miracle!!!* The actual answer > was Sun-Rahu-Venus. We were already knowing that it is in Sun's mahadasa. I > had to fix only Bhukti and Antardasa and I RPs have given me clear > indication. Though it was my mistake that I went for Mercury in place of > Rahu, a judgemental mitake. As you will notice in my email, I dind't > selected sookshma dasa, but if I had to select, based on my RP, I would have > selected Merucry and it is what shows the different in time. There is > possiblity, based on my RP, that the native was running > Sun-Rahu-Venus-Merucry dasa and not Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn as given by > calculation. > > The point I want to make here is that we can get right answer even if the > time if not correct. We need to trust divine help in the form of Ruling > Planets. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:47 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > We know the date of accident but how we are sure abut date of birth > > and time is correct?If these are wrong than whole exercise is going to > > wrong.You are and Dhanbalanji and many are well know the traditional > > Astrology what are yous opinion as per traditional system about this > > accident on Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn period,you can justify it?Reason > > here to only justification only.Mr.Adithji is sure about given data to > > him? > > > > In my view by these data accident should be happened > > Sun-Mars-Mars-Mares period date i am getting 24-11-2002 or in the > > period of Sun-Ma-Ke-Ke date 14-2-2003.Native born with Capricorn > > Ascendant where Mars and Jupiter are strong Markesh,in sever accident > > we should involve the strong Markesh.Mars,Jupiter ,Sun and Ketu should > > be involeve as per my views,some extend Saturn because of Ascendant > > lord for accident. > > > > I have some doubt about given data so i have asked the Two question in > > the forum as topic " Cusp V/S Bhava " but nobody senior have taken in > > notice and no body attempt it to reply me or guide me where i am wrong > > or right. > > > > We can consider my view just to rectify all doubts.Rules are never > > wrong applier will be wrong. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > <%40>, Punit > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Adith ji, > > > > > > I agree. Let us be open to all the ideas. The first priority is to > > get an > > > accurate answer. In fact, I wish that the followers of four step and > > cuspal > > > interlinks also participate so that we can learn from those systems > > as well. > > > > > > > > > Though only request is to mark non-KP theories as much as possible, > > so that > > > beginners are not getting confused. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > I understand and accept your points. It was just my thought. That > > may not > > > > be correct also.But let me analyse for any such signfications in > > any future > > > > charts .If so, we can discuss on that in the forum. Hope that will > > be better > > > > as you said. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji, > > > >> > > > >> *There seems no need to introduce confusion by considering cuspal > > star > > > >> lord as significator.* Sun is strong significator of 12th house > > based on > > > >> standard KP four fold signification mechanism and this is good > > enough reason > > > >> of happening this event in Sun's mahadasa. Having said that, > > accident is not > > > >> one time event and it can happen again. Next time, Ketu may be > > there in > > > >> place of Sun, as Ketu also strongly signifies 12th and connected > > with 8th > > > >> apart from being agent of Sun. We don't know the future yet. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks & Regards, > > > >> > > > >> Punit Pandey > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > >> gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Dear Ramani ji > > > >>> > > > >>> I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the signlord they > > > >>> occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the > > planets which > > > >>> aspect them. Also as I have said *why dont we think of the any > > > >>> importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th > > cusps*??.Though Ketu > > > >>> is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. > > Having all > > > >>> these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > > > >>> > > > >>> Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not > > dropped ?? > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards > > > >>> Adith > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > > > >>>> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this > > is the > > > >>>> finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected > > planet's > > > >>>> qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite > > strong here > > > >>>> being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star > > lord Mars, > > > >>>> karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of > > Lagna > > > >>>> signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for > > dropping > > > >>>> Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the > > node is > > > >>>> placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for > > Rahu. This has > > > >>>> been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in > > place of > > > >>>> planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while > > scrutinizing the > > > >>>> Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping > > the later is in > > > >>>> accordance with > > > >>>> Guruji's advice. > > > >>>> While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in close > > > >>>> conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it > > loosss > > > >>>> whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence > > Sun as prime > > > >>>> Dasa lord is > > > >>>> quite in order. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> .With best wishes, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani.. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >>>> *To:* <%40> > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > >>>> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. Why the > > > >>>> Mercury was dropped? > > > >>>> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>* wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@> > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > >>>> <%40> > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake demonin > > > >>>> Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to > > traditional > > > >>>> astrology. I am unable to > > > >>>> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not > > considered > > > >>>> in K.P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th > > attributed to them. > > > >>>> But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in > > Dr.K.R.Kar's > > > >>>> sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been > > > >>>> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > > > >>>> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun > > though > > > >>>> in conjunction with Kethu is strong > > > >>>> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > > > >>>> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > > > >>>> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > > > >>>> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > > > >>>> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com < <%40> > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. So Ketu > > > >>>> represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has > > to be dropped > > > >>>> from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has to be > > > >>>> dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > > > >>>> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > > > >>>> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, > > lord of 11th > > > >>>> and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for > > Ayul Saturn and > > > >>>> Rahu is not involved either with > > > >>>> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > > > >>>> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or > > Bhadhaka, > > > >>>> though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in > > strength, as Moon > > > >>>> is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not > > significator > > > >>>> of 8th > > > >>>> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of > > 4th & 11th > > > >>>> (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the > > picture. Sun is > > > >>>> in his own star fairly strong. > > > >>>> Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star > > lord of 4th, > > > >>>> 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > > > >>>> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) associatd with > > > >>>> another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > > > >>>> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own > > sub. Thus > > > >>>> S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > > > >>>> 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > > > >>>> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > > > >>>> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > > > >>>> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani . > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com < <%40> > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request > > > >>>> somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per > > > >>>> TinWinJi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets occupied > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of house lord > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets in the star of house lord > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House lord > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 8 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sat > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mar,Sat > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mer > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 12 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rahu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Jup > > > >>>> > > > >>>> (6) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ven > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Jup, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rahu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mer > > > >>>> > > > >>>> (4) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Venus > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Strong significators for > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House 6: Venus > > > >>>> > > > >>>> House 4: Venus > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in > > Mars sub > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon > > star. > > > >>>> Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets > > have come > > > >>>> as significators) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In the normal practice, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But > > it is > > > >>>> told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Day lord :Moon > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rasi lord :Moon > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Rasi star :Mercury > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lagna lord :Moon > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lagna star :Mercury > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in > > significator > > > >>>> list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet > > is Moon only. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have > > included lagna > > > >>>> sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lagna sublord :Venus > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Moon Sublord :Rahu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are > > considered as > > > >>>> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz > > programme as > > > >>>> childish and it is below their > > > >>>> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their > > > >>>> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes > > wrong. Majority > > > >>>> of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance > > or for study > > > >>>> and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such > > majority members, > > > >>>> only few members who have fair > > > >>>> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > > >>>> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > > > >>>> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are > > slightly > > > >>>> more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 > > simple questions > > > >>>> daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the > > answers to > > > >>>> the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and > > interested > > > >>>> persons to gain experience. In the mean time > > > >>>> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > > >>>> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > > >>>> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > > >>>> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > > > >>>> initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> goes wrong. - > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com < <%40> > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji > > > >>>> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the > > quiz, it > > > >>>> would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I > > read so many > > > >>>> books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me. > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- On *Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > >>>> >* wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > >>>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > >>>> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, > > would > > > >>>> prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from > > participating > > > >>>> in the quiz. > > > >>>> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of > > measurement or > > > >>>> yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > > > >>>> There could be many reasons for one not participating, > > including lack of > > > >>>> time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with > > cases such as > > > >>>> accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being > > > >>>> fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, > > > >>>> embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear > > answer, and so > > > >>>> many other such reasons looming , from individual to > > individual. *Which > > > >>>> reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.* > > > >>>> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly > > person > > > >>>> and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you > > think ? > > > >>>> After all he has proved himself over and over again on > > innumerable occasions > > > >>>> that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates > > from passing > > > >>>> in Quizzes. Or does he ? > > > >>>> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra > > (Age) > > > >>>> both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > > > >>>> Please take this positively. > > > >>>> best wishes, > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > ...> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Dear L.Y.Rao > > > >>>> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate > > in the > > > >>>> quiz? > > > >>>> > Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > > > >>>> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > > > >>>> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > > > >>>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Dears TW & Punit, > > > >>>> > I just cannot comprehend as to > > just what > > > >>>> people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly > > says that > > > >>>> KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the > > Nadi is also > > > >>>> given by him... > > > >>>> > But what is the hullabuloo about > > ? Does > > > >>>> it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > > > >>>> > Unless of course, the objective > > seems to > > > >>>> be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of > > the development > > > >>>> of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > > > >>>> > What is more important,to my > > mind, is the > > > >>>> useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not > > wasting the > > > >>>> groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about > > who discovered > > > >>>> what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom > > ?...and for > > > >>>> example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory > > has now taken > > > >>>> over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be > > > >>>> discovered.. . > > > >>>> > Improvements in the existing > > Padhdhati in > > > >>>> order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be > > the objective > > > >>>> of all inquiring students of astrology. > > > >>>> > I hope more and more students of > > > >>>> astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even > > notoriety just to > > > >>>> draw attention towards themselves.. . . > > > >>>> > I am sure that you both and > > Kanak Bosmia > > > >>>> certainly believe likewise... > > > >>>> > With kind regards, > > > >>>> > L.Y.Rao. > > > >>>> > GOOD > > LUCK ! > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > tw853 tw853 > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com > > > >>>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > > > >>>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya > > > >>>> Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. > > First one > > > >>>> is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of > > Ruling > > > >>>> planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, > > suggest that he > > > >>>> got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that > > certain ruling > > > >>>> planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the > > birth time, and > > > >>>> also dominate the individual's life. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection > > between the > > > >>>> planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events > > from Brihat > > > >>>> Jatak. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as > > > >>>> mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in > > sloka 6: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > > > >>>> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the > > navamsa > > > >>>> diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the > > rasis > > > >>>> occupied by the above three. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon > > or Lagna, > > > >>>> whichever is stronger. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the > > ascendant. > > > >>>> If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the > > star in which > > > >>>> the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on > > the other > > > >>>> hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the > > star in which > > > >>>> it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as > > the tune of > > > >>>> birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) > > Adhana lagna > > > >>>> i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the > > moment at > > > >>>> which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana > > 1agnathe moment > > > >>>> at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches > > the earth. As > > > >>>> it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, > > the third one > > > >>>> should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of > > taking Moon > > > >>>> or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at > > early stage) > > > >>>> and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the > > > >>>> combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever > > Dhanabalan ji > > > >>>> may call. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Thanks and regards, > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > tw > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " punitp@ wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What > > Satyacharya > > > >>>> said > > > >>>> > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for > > determining > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common > > interpretation) . In > > > >>>> > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using > > > >>>> these > > > >>>> > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or > > horary > > > >>>> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat > > > >>>> Jatak " > > > >>>> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > > > >>>> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and > > planets ruling > > > >>>> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the > > > >>>> ideas > > > >>>> > > taken from these two texts. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , > > following are > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > > >>>> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > > >>>> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > > > >>>> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards, > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > Punit Pandey > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R > > r.dhanabalan@wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > Dear Punitji > > > >>>> > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by > > Dr.Satya Prakash > > > >>>> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > > > >>>> > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment > > according > > > >>>> > > to the sage are: > > > >>>> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > >>>> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > >>>> > > > * Moon signlord > > > >>>> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > >>>> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the > > Navamsa lagna > > > >>>> lord > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has > > taken > > > >>>> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told > > you already > > > >>>> > > as japanese style. > > > >>>> > > > Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Punitji, Thank you very much for the Article,we have to do exercise on this .KP system have very simple techniques for predication on complex matter of astrology so the reason i want to learn it. Thanks again for your inputs. M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > *If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long > process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as > divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious. > *Why can't we have two different methods. There are two good methods in KP > that can also complement each other. Process of reading birth chart is > better documented and better researched than the process of reading divine > indications and that is the reason we rely more on birth chart. More > research is required on RP. > > KP readers have quite a few examples on application of RP. Book " KP and RP " > is also have some good collection of articles on this subject. Check this as > well - > http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/2008/08/predicting-minor-events-using-as\ trology.html > > *Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means > Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and > ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign > lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by > RPs for any question? > *There are research work with an attempt on putting this in sequence, but > still needs to be verified and statistically documented. More research is > required. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long > > process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as > > divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious. > > > > If we request for more help than we are getting the day lord same on a > > same day. > > > > Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means > > Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and > > ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign > > lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by > > RPs for any question? > > > > It is similar to " Prashan_Marg " of tradition but in simple way.I will > > try this RPs system with " Pashana'. > > > > Thanks for your valuable reply. > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > <%40>, Punit > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > > > > > We can never expect absolutely correct time. We should always have > > margin > > > for error and that is the reason I only talked about mahadasa, > > bhukti and > > > antardasa and didin't talk about sookshma. In KP, Ruling Planets are > > used > > > for devine help and we should used it intelligently. At the time of > > > judgement, I request divine help for finding Bhukti and Antardaa. > > Here are > > > ruling planets I got - > > > > > > TOJ: 23:31:14 > > > DOJ:6 February 2009 > > > Place: Agra > > > > > > Day Lord: Venus > > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Venus > > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Rahu > > > Moon Sign Lord: Mercury > > > Moon Star Lord: Rahu > > > > > > *So the RPs were Venus, Rahu, Mercury. What a miracle!!!* The actual > > answer > > > was Sun-Rahu-Venus. We were already knowing that it is in Sun's > > mahadasa. I > > > had to fix only Bhukti and Antardasa and I RPs have given me clear > > > indication. Though it was my mistake that I went for Mercury in place of > > > Rahu, a judgemental mitake. As you will notice in my email, I dind't > > > selected sookshma dasa, but if I had to select, based on my RP, I > > would have > > > selected Merucry and it is what shows the different in time. There is > > > possiblity, based on my RP, that the native was running > > > Sun-Rahu-Venus-Merucry dasa and not Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn as given by > > > calculation. > > > > > > The point I want to make here is that we can get right answer even > > if the > > > time if not correct. We need to trust divine help in the form of Ruling > > > Planets. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:47 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > > > > > We know the date of accident but how we are sure abut date of birth > > > > and time is correct?If these are wrong than whole exercise is going to > > > > wrong.You are and Dhanbalanji and many are well know the traditional > > > > Astrology what are yous opinion as per traditional system about this > > > > accident on Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn period,you can justify it?Reason > > > > here to only justification only.Mr.Adithji is sure about given data to > > > > him? > > > > > > > > In my view by these data accident should be happened > > > > Sun-Mars-Mars-Mares period date i am getting 24-11-2002 or in the > > > > period of Sun-Ma-Ke-Ke date 14-2-2003.Native born with Capricorn > > > > Ascendant where Mars and Jupiter are strong Markesh,in sever accident > > > > we should involve the strong Markesh.Mars,Jupiter ,Sun and Ketu should > > > > be involeve as per my views,some extend Saturn because of Ascendant > > > > lord for accident. > > > > > > > > I have some doubt about given data so i have asked the Two question in > > > > the forum as topic " Cusp V/S Bhava " but nobody senior have taken in > > > > notice and no body attempt it to reply me or guide me where i am wrong > > > > or right. > > > > > > > > We can consider my view just to rectify all doubts.Rules are never > > > > wrong applier will be wrong. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > Punit > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji, > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Let us be open to all the ideas. The first priority is to > > > > get an > > > > > accurate answer. In fact, I wish that the followers of four step and > > > > cuspal > > > > > interlinks also participate so that we can learn from those systems > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though only request is to mark non-KP theories as much as possible, > > > > so that > > > > > beginners are not getting confused. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > > > gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand and accept your points. It was just my thought. That > > > > may not > > > > > > be correct also.But let me analyse for any such signfications in > > > > any future > > > > > > charts .If so, we can discuss on that in the forum. Hope that will > > > > be better > > > > > > as you said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> *There seems no need to introduce confusion by considering cuspal > > > > star > > > > > >> lord as significator.* Sun is strong significator of 12th house > > > > based on > > > > > >> standard KP four fold signification mechanism and this is good > > > > enough reason > > > > > >> of happening this event in Sun's mahadasa. Having said that, > > > > accident is not > > > > > >> one time event and it can happen again. Next time, Ketu may be > > > > there in > > > > > >> place of Sun, as Ketu also strongly signifies 12th and connected > > > > with 8th > > > > > >> apart from being agent of Sun. We don't know the future yet. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > > > >> gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Dear Ramani ji > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the > > signlord they > > > > > >>> occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the > > > > planets which > > > > > >>> aspect them. Also as I have said *why dont we think of the any > > > > > >>> importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th > > > > cusps*??.Though Ketu > > > > > >>> is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. > > > > Having all > > > > > >>> these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not > > > > dropped ?? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regards > > > > > >>> Adith > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > > > > > >>>> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this > > > > is the > > > > > >>>> finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected > > > > planet's > > > > > >>>> qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite > > > > strong here > > > > > >>>> being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star > > > > lord Mars, > > > > > >>>> karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of > > > > Lagna > > > > > >>>> signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for > > > > dropping > > > > > >>>> Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the > > > > node is > > > > > >>>> placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for > > > > Rahu. This has > > > > > >>>> been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in > > > > place of > > > > > >>>> planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while > > > > scrutinizing the > > > > > >>>> Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping > > > > the later is in > > > > > >>>> accordance with > > > > > >>>> Guruji's advice. > > > > > >>>> While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in > > close > > > > > >>>> conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it > > > > loosss > > > > > >>>> whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence > > > > Sun as prime > > > > > >>>> Dasa lord is > > > > > >>>> quite in order. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> .With best wishes, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani.. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > >>>> *To:* <%40><% > > 40> > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > >>>> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. > > Why the > > > > > >>>> Mercury was dropped? > > > > > >>>> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>* wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > from Naadi > > > > > >>>> <%40><% > > 40> > > > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake > > demonin > > > > > >>>> Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to > > > > traditional > > > > > >>>> astrology. I am unable to > > > > > >>>> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not > > > > considered > > > > > >>>> in K.P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th > > > > attributed to them. > > > > > >>>> But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in > > > > Dr.K.R.Kar's > > > > > >>>> sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been > > > > > >>>> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > > > > > >>>> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun > > > > though > > > > > >>>> in conjunction with Kethu is strong > > > > > >>>> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > > > > > >>>> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > > > > > >>>> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > > > > > >>>> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > > > > > >>>> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> I a > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > < <%40><% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. > > So Ketu > > > > > >>>> represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has > > > > to be dropped > > > > > >>>> from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has > > to be > > > > > >>>> dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > from Naadi > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > > > > > >>>> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > > > > > >>>> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, > > > > lord of 11th > > > > > >>>> and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for > > > > Ayul Saturn and > > > > > >>>> Rahu is not involved either with > > > > > >>>> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > > > > > >>>> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or > > > > Bhadhaka, > > > > > >>>> though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in > > > > strength, as Moon > > > > > >>>> is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not > > > > significator > > > > > >>>> of 8th > > > > > >>>> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of > > > > 4th & 11th > > > > > >>>> (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the > > > > picture. Sun is > > > > > >>>> in his own star fairly strong. > > > > > >>>> Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star > > > > lord of 4th, > > > > > >>>> 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > > > > > >>>> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) > > associatd with > > > > > >>>> another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > > > > > >>>> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own > > > > sub. Thus > > > > > >>>> S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > > > > > >>>> 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > > > > > >>>> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > > > > > >>>> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > > > > > >>>> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani . > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > < <%40><% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I > > request > > > > > >>>> somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), > > (4) as per > > > > > >>>> TinWinJi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets occupied > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of house lord > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of house lord > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House lord > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> 8 > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sat > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mar,Sat > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mer > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> 12 > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rahu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Jup > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> (6) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ven > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Jup, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rahu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mer > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> (4) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Venus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Strong significators for > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House 6: Venus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> House 4: Venus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in > > > > Mars sub > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon > > > > star. > > > > > >>>> Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets > > > > have come > > > > > >>>> as significators) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> In the normal practice, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But > > > > it is > > > > > >>>> told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, > > near Salem > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Day lord :Moon > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rasi lord :Moon > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rasi star :Mercury > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Lagna lord :Moon > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Lagna star :Mercury > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in > > > > significator > > > > > >>>> list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet > > > > is Moon only. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have > > > > included lagna > > > > > >>>> sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Lagna sublord :Venus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Moon Sublord :Rahu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > from Naadi > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are > > > > considered as > > > > > >>>> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz > > > > programme as > > > > > >>>> childish and it is below their > > > > > >>>> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that > > their > > > > > >>>> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes > > > > wrong. Majority > > > > > >>>> of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance > > > > or for study > > > > > >>>> and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such > > > > majority members, > > > > > >>>> only few members who have fair > > > > > >>>> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > > > > >>>> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > > > > > >>>> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are > > > > slightly > > > > > >>>> more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 > > > > simple questions > > > > > >>>> daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the > > > > answers to > > > > > >>>> the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and > > > > interested > > > > > >>>> persons to gain experience. In the mean time > > > > > >>>> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > > > > >>>> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > > > > >>>> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > > > > >>>> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > > > > > >>>> initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> goes wrong. - > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > < <%40><% > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > >>>> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the > > > > quiz, it > > > > > >>>> would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I > > > > read so many > > > > > >>>> books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will > > guide me. > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > > > in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > >>>> >* wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > >>>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > > > >>>> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, > > > > would > > > > > >>>> prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from > > > > participating > > > > > >>>> in the quiz. > > > > > >>>> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of > > > > measurement or > > > > > >>>> yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > > > > > >>>> There could be many reasons for one not participating, > > > > including lack of > > > > > >>>> time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with > > > > cases such as > > > > > >>>> accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the > > quiz being > > > > > >>>> fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing > > failures, > > > > > >>>> embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear > > > > answer, and so > > > > > >>>> many other such reasons looming , from individual to > > > > individual. *Which > > > > > >>>> reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to > > judge.* > > > > > >>>> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly > > > > person > > > > > >>>> and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you > > > > think ? > > > > > >>>> After all he has proved himself over and over again on > > > > innumerable occasions > > > > > >>>> that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates > > > > from passing > > > > > >>>> in Quizzes. Or does he ? > > > > > >>>> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra > > > > (Age) > > > > > >>>> both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > > > > > >>>> Please take this positively. > > > > > >>>> best wishes, > > > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > > ...> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Dear L.Y.Rao > > > > > >>>> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate > > > > in the > > > > > >>>> quiz? > > > > > >>>> > Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > > > > > >>>> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > > > > > >>>> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Dears TW & Punit, > > > > > >>>> > I just cannot comprehend as to > > > > just what > > > > > >>>> people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly > > > > says that > > > > > >>>> KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the > > > > Nadi is also > > > > > >>>> given by him... > > > > > >>>> > But what is the hullabuloo about > > > > ? Does > > > > > >>>> it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > > > > > >>>> > Unless of course, the objective > > > > seems to > > > > > >>>> be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of > > > > the development > > > > > >>>> of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > > > > > >>>> > What is more important,to my > > > > mind, is the > > > > > >>>> useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not > > > > wasting the > > > > > >>>> groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about > > > > who discovered > > > > > >>>> what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom > > > > ?...and for > > > > > >>>> example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory > > > > has now taken > > > > > >>>> over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to > > be be > > > > > >>>> discovered.. . > > > > > >>>> > Improvements in the existing > > > > Padhdhati in > > > > > >>>> order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be > > > > the objective > > > > > >>>> of all inquiring students of astrology. > > > > > >>>> > I hope more and more students of > > > > > >>>> astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even > > > > notoriety just to > > > > > >>>> draw attention towards themselves.. . . > > > > > >>>> > I am sure that you both and > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > >>>> certainly believe likewise... > > > > > >>>> > With kind regards, > > > > > >>>> > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > >>>> > GOOD > > > > LUCK ! > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > tw853 tw853 > > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com > > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > > > > > >>>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > Naadi > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak > > to Satya > > > > > >>>> Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. > > > > First one > > > > > >>>> is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of > > > > Ruling > > > > > >>>> planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, > > > > suggest that he > > > > > >>>> got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that > > > > certain ruling > > > > > >>>> planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the > > > > birth time, and > > > > > >>>> also dominate the individual's life. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection > > > > between the > > > > > >>>> planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events > > > > from Brihat > > > > > >>>> Jatak. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya > > Jatak as > > > > > >>>> mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in > > > > sloka 6: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with > > reference to: > > > > > >>>> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the > > > > navamsa > > > > > >>>> diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the > > > > rasis > > > > > >>>> occupied by the above three. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon > > > > or Lagna, > > > > > >>>> whichever is stronger. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the > > > > ascendant. > > > > > >>>> If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the > > > > star in which > > > > > >>>> the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on > > > > the other > > > > > >>>> hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the > > > > star in which > > > > > >>>> it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as > > > > the tune of > > > > > >>>> birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) > > > > Adhana lagna > > > > > >>>> i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the > > > > moment at > > > > > >>>> which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana > > > > 1agnathe moment > > > > > >>>> at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches > > > > the earth. As > > > > > >>>> it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, > > > > the third one > > > > > >>>> should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of > > > > taking Moon > > > > > >>>> or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at > > > > early stage) > > > > > >>>> and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar > > RPs. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs > > are the > > > > > >>>> combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever > > > > Dhanabalan ji > > > > > >>>> may call. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Thanks and regards, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > tw > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " > > punitp@ wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What > > > > Satyacharya > > > > > >>>> said > > > > > >>>> > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for > > > > determining > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > >>>> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common > > > > interpretation) . In > > > > > >>>> > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any > > moment " using > > > > > >>>> these > > > > > >>>> > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or > > > > horary > > > > > >>>> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from > > " Brihat > > > > > >>>> Jatak " > > > > > >>>> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is > > connection > > > > > >>>> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and > > > > planets ruling > > > > > >>>> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised > > upon the > > > > > >>>> ideas > > > > > >>>> > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , > > > > following are > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > >>>> > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > > > > >>>> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > > > > >>>> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is > > powerful) > > > > > >>>> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are > > located > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > Punit Pandey > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R > > > > r.dhanabalan@wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > Dear Punitji > > > > > >>>> > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by > > > > Dr.Satya Prakash > > > > > >>>> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi > > concept. I am > > > > > >>>> > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment > > > > according > > > > > >>>> > > to the sage are: > > > > > >>>> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > > > >>>> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > > > >>>> > > > * Moon signlord > > > > > >>>> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > > > >>>> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the > > > > Navamsa lagna > > > > > >>>> lord > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has > > > > taken > > > > > >>>> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told > > > > you already > > > > > >>>> > > as japanese style. > > > > > >>>> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, 1. 6 is for injury. If the 8CSL is a significator of 6, then the native will have fever, etc., following the accident. (KP Reader VI p 159, 2nd para) 2. 4 (end of everything) is used to be found in accidents, especially fatal cases. Regards, tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Adith > My another doubt in the quiz3 is, the house 8 is also for chronic diseases. 6th house is disease. If the first cuspal sublord signifies 1,6,8,12 then the native may be admitted in the hospital due to chronic disease and need not be due to accident. > Another doubt is for occuring accident, the houses 4,8,12 have to be considered. Mr.TinWin has given a table " House grouping -part 4 " . In that table, whether he will met accident or not, he asked to look into the houses 8,12 mainly with 6 as supporting house. What way 6th house is related to accident? Why not he taken 4th house as supporting house for accident? > In the same table, he asked to consider houses 8,12 mainly and houses 4,6 as supporting houses to arrive Dasa Bukthi Antharam for accident. Why he included the houses 4, 6 here? > Dhanabalan > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote: > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 9:14 AM Dear Dhanabalan, > > We dont have such answers also for Sun is weaker than nodes in this case. Here we have the example with the result. Also the strength does not depend just as Nodes or the Planets. As you know many points to be considered. > > Also in this case , as first cum first. Sun has come first as dasa Lord prior to Nodes . > > For instance , if I have not given the Sub as Dasa lord and asked the question " when he will meet with accidents in his life time? " , then the answer will be quite different. Many answers would have come. But may be some would have not chosen Sun dasa also. > So how to do the correct predictions? Here we have the answer,from which why cant we try to find some points which we might have missed also. Thats my opinion only to my my little knowledge. > > Dear Dhanabalanji, I do respect your expertise. Also you consistent questions on the results is always good to make the importance of such points embedded in the minds. Definitely your queries are valuable. > > I duly appreciate your thoughts! > > Regards > Adith > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Adith > I want supporting evidence in KP Readers that Sun is stronger than Rahu/Ketu. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote: > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > @gro ups.com > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 6:57 AM > > > > > > Dear Ramani ji > > I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the signlord they occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the planets which aspect them. Also as I have said why dont we think of the any importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th cusps??.Though Ketu is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. Having all these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > > Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not dropped ?? > > Regards > Adith > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Dhanabalan, > > As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this is the finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected planet's qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite strong here being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star lord Mars, karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of Lagna signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for dropping Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the node is placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for Rahu. This has been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in place of planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while scrutinizing the Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping the later is in accordance with > Guruji's advice. > While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in close conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it loosss whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence Sun as prime Dasa lord is > quite in order. > > ..With best wishes, > > K.S.V.Ramani. . > > > > - > Dhanabalan R > > > > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > Dear Ramani > Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. Why the Mercury was dropped? > Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan, > > Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake demonin Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to traditional astrology. I am unable to > quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not considered in K..P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th attributed to them. But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in Dr.K.R.Kar's sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been > introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun though in conjunction with Kethu is strong > by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > > With best wishes, > > K.S.V.Ramani > > I a > > - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Dear Ramani > Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. So Ketu represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has to be dropped from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has to be dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > Dhanabalan > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > > My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, lord of 11th and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for Ayul Saturn and Rahu is not involved either with > Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or Bhadhaka, though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in strength, as Moon is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not significator of 8th > too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of 4th & 11th (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the picture. Sun is in his own star fairly strong. > Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star lord of 4th, 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) associatd with another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own sub. Thus S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > > Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > > With best wishes, > > K.S.V.Ramani . > > - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Dear Ramani > I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per TinWinJi > > > > > House > > > Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > > Planets occupied > > > Planets in the sub of house lord > > > Planets in the star of house lord > > > House lord > > > > 8 > > > > Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > Sat > > > Mar,Sat > > > > Moon, Mars, Jup Mer > > > > 12 > > > Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > > > > Rahu > > Jup > > > (6) > > Ven > > Jup, > > Rahu > > Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > Mer > > > (4) > > > > > Venus > > Strong significators for > House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > House 6: Venus > House 4: Venus > Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in Mars sub > Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon star. Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets have come as significators) > In the normal practice, > Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But it is told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem > Day lord :Moon > Rasi lord :Moon > Rasi star :Mercury > Lagna lord :Moon > Lagna star :Mercury > > Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in significator list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet is Moon only. > To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have included lagna sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > Lagna sublord :Venus > Moon Sublord :Rahu > Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as childish and it is below their > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair > knowledge and study and who are really interested to > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time > the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > > With best wishes, > > K.S.V.Ramani > > > goes wrong. - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Dear Bhaskarji > If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz. > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge. > You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ? > Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > Please take this positively. > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao > > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz? > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit, > > I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him... > > But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > > Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > > What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. . > > Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology. > > I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . . > > I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise... > > With kind regards, > > L.Y.Rao. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 > > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life. > > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.. > > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three. > > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger. > > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " punitp@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said > > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the > > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In > > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these > > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " > > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas > > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the > > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Punitji > > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > > > to the sage are: > > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > > * Moon signlord > > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord > > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > > > as japanese style. > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 KPEzine Oct 2007 to February 2008 KP House Grouping Part 1 to 5 , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> KPEzine January 2008> > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, sujata das sujatadash1 wrote:> > sujata das sujatadash1 Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 2:46 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan and TWji,> Where are the house groupings by TWji available. Putting them in File section of KP groups will be appreciated> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 12/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 3:10 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith> My another doubt in the quiz3 is, the house 8 is also for chronic diseases. 6th house is disease. If the first cuspal sublord signifies 1,6,8,12 then the native may be admitted in the hospital due to chronic disease and need not be due to accident.> Another doubt is for occuring accident, the houses 4,8,12 have to be considered. Mr.TinWin has given a table "House grouping -part 4". In that table, whether he will met accident or not, he asked to look into the houses 8,12 mainly with 6 as supporting house. What way 6th house is related to accident? Why not he taken 4th house as supporting house for accident?> In the same table, he asked to consider houses 8,12 mainly and houses 4,6 as supporting houses to arrive Dasa Bukthi Antharam for accident. Why he included the houses 4, 6 here?> Dhanabalan> --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 12, 2009, 9:14 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > We dont have such answers also for Sun is weaker than nodes in this case. Here we have the example with the result. Also the strength does not depend just as Nodes or the Planets. As you know many points to be considered.> > Also in this case , as first cum first. Sun has come first as dasa Lord prior to Nodes .> > For instance , if I have not given the Sub as Dasa lord and asked the question "when he will meet with accidents in his life time?", then the answer will be quite different. Many answers would have come. But may be some would have not chosen Sun dasa also.> So how to do the correct predictions? Here we have the answer,from which why cant we try to find some points which we might have missed also. Thats my opinion only to my my little knowledge. > > Dear Dhanabalanji, I do respect your expertise. Also you consistent questions on the results is always good to make the importance of such points embedded in the minds. Definitely your queries are valuable. > > I duly appreciate your thoughts!> > Regards> Adith> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith> I want supporting evidence in KP Readers that Sun is stronger than Rahu/Ketu.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 12, 2009, 6:57 AM> > > > > > Dear Ramani ji> > I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the signlord they occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the planets which aspect them. Also as I have said why dont we think of the any importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th cusps??.Though Ketu is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. Having all these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result??> > Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not dropped ??> > Regards> Adith> > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this is the finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected planet's qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite strong here being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star lord Mars, karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of Lagna signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for dropping Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the node is placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for Rahu. This has been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in place of planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while scrutinizing the Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping the later is in accordance with > Guruji's advice. > While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in close conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it loosss whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence Sun as prime Dasa lord is> quite in order.> > ..With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani. .> > > > - > Dhanabalan R > > > > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. Why the Mercury was dropped?> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake demonin Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to traditional astrology. I am unable to> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not considered in K..P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th attributed to them. But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in Dr.K.R.Kar's sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node.> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun though in conjunction with Kethu is strong> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu)> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord,> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc.> > With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani> > I a> > - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani > Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. So Ketu represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has to be dropped from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has to be dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > Dhanabalan> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:> > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM> > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan,> > My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, lord of 11th and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for Ayul Saturn and Rahu is not involved either with> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good.> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or Bhadhaka, though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in strength, as Moon is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not significator of 8th> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of 4th & 11th (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the picture. Sun is in his own star fairly strong. > Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star lord of 4th, 8th and 12th all the houses for accident.> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) associatd with another natural malefic Saturrn lord of> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own sub. Thus S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident.> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc.> > Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me.> > With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani . > > - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani > I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per TinWinJi > > > > > House > > > Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > > Planets occupied > > > Planets in the sub of house lord > > > Planets in the star of house lord > > > House lord > > > > 8 > > > > Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > Sat > > > Mar,Sat > > > > Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > > > > Mer > > > > 12 > > > Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu> > > > > Rahu> > Jup> > > (6)> > Ven> > Jup, > > Rahu> > Moon, Mars, Jup> > > > > Mer> > > (4)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus> > Strong significators for > House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > House 6: Venus > House 4: Venus > Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in Mars sub > Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon star. Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets have come as significators) > In the normal practice, > Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But it is told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem > Day lord :Moon > Rasi lord :Moon > Rasi star :Mercury > Lagna lord :Moon > Lagna star :Mercury > > Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in significator list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet is Moon only. > To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have included lagna sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > Lagna sublord :Venus > Moon Sublord :Rahu > Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:> > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM> > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as childish and it is below their > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani> > > goes wrong. - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz. > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> Please take this positively. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear L.Y.Rao> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> > I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...> > But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> > Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> > Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> > I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> > I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> > With kind regards,> > L.Y..Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak.. > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak..> > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth.. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji> > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> > > to the sage are:> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > * Moon signlord> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> > > as japanese style.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 KP Reader VI p 173. Any student of Astrology will not be able to carry out the research for decades and decades and have a satisfactory solution for the various problems within his lifetime. Honestly so many centuries will be needed to carry out the research on Natal horoscope.4. But in Horary Astrology one takes the moment of the judgment, makes a chart and offers the result. This horoscope will be very correct and the result also will be amazingly accurate. , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > *If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long> process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as> divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious.> *Why can't we have two different methods. There are two good methods in KP> that can also complement each other. Process of reading birth chart is> better documented and better researched than the process of reading divine> indications and that is the reason we rely more on birth chart. More> research is required on RP.> > KP readers have quite a few examples on application of RP. Book "KP and RP"> is also have some good collection of articles on this subject. Check this as> well -> http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/2008/08/predicting-minor-events-using-astrology.html> > *Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means> Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and> ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign> lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by> RPs for any question?> *There are research work with an attempt on putting this in sequence, but> still needs to be verified and statistically documented. More research is> required.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62 wrote:> > > Dear Punitji,> >> > If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long> > process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as> > divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious.> >> > If we request for more help than we are getting the day lord same on a> > same day.> >> > Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means> > Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and> > ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign> > lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by> > RPs for any question?> >> > It is similar to "Prashan_Marg" of tradition but in simple way.I will> > try this RPs system with "Pashana'.> >> > Thanks for your valuable reply.> >> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > <%40>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > We can never expect absolutely correct time. We should always have> > margin> > > for error and that is the reason I only talked about mahadasa,> > bhukti and> > > antardasa and didin't talk about sookshma. In KP, Ruling Planets are> > used> > > for devine help and we should used it intelligently. At the time of> > > judgement, I request divine help for finding Bhukti and Antardaa.> > Here are> > > ruling planets I got -> > >> > > TOJ: 23:31:14> > > DOJ:6 February 2009> > > Place: Agra> > >> > > Day Lord: Venus> > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Venus> > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Rahu> > > Moon Sign Lord: Mercury> > > Moon Star Lord: Rahu> > >> > > *So the RPs were Venus, Rahu, Mercury. What a miracle!!!* The actual> > answer> > > was Sun-Rahu-Venus. We were already knowing that it is in Sun's> > mahadasa. I> > > had to fix only Bhukti and Antardasa and I RPs have given me clear> > > indication. Though it was my mistake that I went for Mercury in place of> > > Rahu, a judgemental mitake. As you will notice in my email, I dind't> > > selected sookshma dasa, but if I had to select, based on my RP, I> > would have> > > selected Merucry and it is what shows the different in time. There is> > > possiblity, based on my RP, that the native was running> > > Sun-Rahu-Venus-Merucry dasa and not Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn as given by> > > calculation.> > >> > > The point I want to make here is that we can get right answer even> > if the> > > time if not correct. We need to trust divine help in the form of Ruling> > > Planets.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:47 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji,> > > >> > > > We know the date of accident but how we are sure abut date of birth> > > > and time is correct?If these are wrong than whole exercise is going to> > > > wrong.You are and Dhanbalanji and many are well know the traditional> > > > Astrology what are yous opinion as per traditional system about this> > > > accident on Sun-Rahu-Venus-Saturn period,you can justify it?Reason> > > > here to only justification only.Mr.Adithji is sure about given data to> > > > him?> > > >> > > > In my view by these data accident should be happened> > > > Sun-Mars-Mars-Mares period date i am getting 24-11-2002 or in the> > > > period of Sun-Ma-Ke-Ke date 14-2-2003.Native born with Capricorn> > > > Ascendant where Mars and Jupiter are strong Markesh,in sever accident> > > > we should involve the strong Markesh.Mars,Jupiter ,Sun and Ketu should> > > > be involeve as per my views,some extend Saturn because of Ascendant> > > > lord for accident.> > > >> > > > I have some doubt about given data so i have asked the Two question in> > > > the forum as topic "Cusp V/S Bhava" but nobody senior have taken in> > > > notice and no body attempt it to reply me or guide me where i am wrong> > > > or right.> > > >> > > > We can consider my view just to rectify all doubts.Rules are never> > > > wrong applier will be wrong.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40><%> > 40>,> >> > Punit> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > I agree. Let us be open to all the ideas. The first priority is to> > > > get an> > > > > accurate answer. In fact, I wish that the followers of four step and> > > > cuspal> > > > > interlinks also participate so that we can learn from those systems> > > > as well.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Though only request is to mark non-KP theories as much as possible,> > > > so that> > > > > beginners are not getting confused.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I understand and accept your points. It was just my thought. That> > > > may not> > > > > > be correct also.But let me analyse for any such signfications in> > > > any future> > > > > > charts .If so, we can discuss on that in the forum. Hope that will> > > > be better> > > > > > as you said.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> *There seems no need to introduce confusion by considering cuspal> > > > star> > > > > >> lord as significator.* Sun is strong significator of 12th house> > > > based on> > > > > >> standard KP four fold signification mechanism and this is good> > > > enough reason> > > > > >> of happening this event in Sun's mahadasa. Having said that,> > > > accident is not> > > > > >> one time event and it can happen again. Next time, Ketu may be> > > > there in> > > > > >> place of Sun, as Ketu also strongly signifies 12th and connected> > > > with 8th> > > > > >> apart from being agent of Sun. We don't know the future yet.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > >> gkadithkasinath@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Dear Ramani ji> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the> > signlord they> > > > > >>> occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the> > > > planets which> > > > > >>> aspect them. Also as I have said *why dont we think of the any> > > > > >>> importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th> > > > cusps*??.Though Ketu> > > > > >>> is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself.> > > > Having all> > > > > >>> these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result??> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not> > > > dropped ??> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > >>> Adith> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>wrote:> > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of> > > > > >>>> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this> > > > is the> > > > > >>>> finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected> > > > planet's> > > > > >>>> qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite> > > > strong here> > > > > >>>> being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star> > > > lord Mars,> > > > > >>>> karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of> > > > Lagna> > > > > >>>> signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for> > > > dropping> > > > > >>>> Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the> > > > node is> > > > > >>>> placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for> > > > Rahu. This has> > > > > >>>> been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in> > > > place of> > > > > >>>> planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while> > > > scrutinizing the> > > > > >>>> Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping> > > > the later is in> > > > > >>>> accordance with> > > > > >>>> Guruji's advice.> > > > > >>>> While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in> > close> > > > > >>>> conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it> > > > loosss> > > > > >>>> whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence> > > > Sun as prime> > > > > >>>> Dasa lord is> > > > > >>>> quite in order.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> .With best wishes,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani..> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> -> > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>> > > > > >>>> *To:* <%40><%> > 40>> > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM> > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > > > Naadi> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani> > > > > >>>> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger.> > Why the> > > > > >>>> Mercury was dropped?> > > > > >>>> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped?> > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>* wrote:> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@>> > > >> > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept> > from Naadi> > > > > >>>> <%40><%> > 40>> >> > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake> > demonin> > > > > >>>> Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to> > > > traditional> > > > > >>>> astrology. I am unable to> > > > > >>>> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not> > > > considered> > > > > >>>> in K.P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th> > > > attributed to them.> > > > > >>>> But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in> > > > Dr.K.R.Kar's> > > > > >>>> sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been> > > > > >>>> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node.> > > > > >>>> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun> > > > though> > > > > >>>> in conjunction with Kethu is strong> > > > > >>>> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in> > > > > >>>> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu)> > > > > >>>> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord,> > > > > >>>> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant> > > > > >>>> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> With best wishes,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> I a> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> -> > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>> > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com> > <%40><%> > 40>> > > > >> > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM> > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > > > Naadi> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu.> > So Ketu> > > > > >>>> represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has> > > > to be dropped> > > > > >>>> from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption?> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has> > to be> > > > > >>>> dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption?> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>*> > wrote:> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept> > from Naadi> > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com> > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa> > > > > >>>> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna> > > > > >>>> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9,> > > > lord of 11th> > > > > >>>> and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for> > > > Ayul Saturn and> > > > > >>>> Rahu is not involved either with> > > > > >>>> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good.> > > > > >>>> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or> > > > Bhadhaka,> > > > > >>>> though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in> > > > strength, as Moon> > > > > >>>> is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not> > > > significator> > > > > >>>> of 8th> > > > > >>>> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of> > > > 4th & 11th> > > > > >>>> (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the> > > > picture. Sun is> > > > > >>>> in his own star fairly strong.> > > > > >>>> Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star> > > > lord of 4th,> > > > > >>>> 8th and 12th all the houses for accident.> > > > > >>>> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house)> > associatd with> > > > > >>>> another natural malefic Saturrn lord of> > > > > >>>> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own> > > > sub. Thus> > > > > >>>> S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to> > > > > >>>> 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident.> > > > > >>>> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest> > > > > >>>> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other> > > > > >>>> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> With best wishes,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani .> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> -> > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>> > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com> > <%40><%> > 40>> > > > >> > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM> > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > > > Naadi> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I> > request> > > > > >>>> somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6),> > (4) as per> > > > > >>>> TinWinJi> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of planets occupied> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of planets occupied> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets occupied> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of house lord> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of house lord> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House lord> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> 8> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sat> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Mar,Sat> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Mer> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> 12> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun, Ketu, Moon,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rahu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Jup> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> (6)> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ven> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Jup,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rahu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Mer> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> (4)> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Venus> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Strong significators for> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House 6: Venus> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> House 4: Venus> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in> > > > Mars sub> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon> > > > star.> > > > > >>>> Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets> > > > have come> > > > > >>>> as significators)> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> In the normal practice,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But> > > > it is> > > > > >>>> told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur,> > near Salem> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Day lord :Moon> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rasi lord :Moon> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rasi star :Mercury> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Lagna lord :Moon> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Lagna star :Mercury> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Moon aspects sun(opposition)> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in> > > > significator> > > > > >>>> list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet> > > > is Moon only.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have> > > > included lagna> > > > > >>>> sublord and moon sublord in the RP list.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Lagna sublord :Venus> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Moon Sublord :Rahu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>*> > wrote:> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept> > from Naadi> > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com> > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are> > > > considered as> > > > > >>>> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz> > > > programme as> > > > > >>>> childish and it is below their> > > > > >>>> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that> > their> > > > > >>>> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes> > > > wrong. Majority> > > > > >>>> of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance> > > > or for study> > > > > >>>> and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such> > > > majority members,> > > > > >>>> only few members who have fair> > > > > >>>> knowledge and study and who are really interested to> > > > > >>>> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> > > > > >>>> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are> > > > slightly> > > > > >>>> more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6> > > > simple questions> > > > > >>>> daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the> > > > answers to> > > > > >>>> the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and> > > > interested> > > > > >>>> persons to gain experience. In the mean time> > > > > >>>> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued> > > > > >>>> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will> > > > > >>>> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by> > > > > >>>> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> > > > > >>>> initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> With best wishes,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> goes wrong. -> > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>> > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com> > <%40><%> > 40>> >> > > > >> > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > > > Naadi> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > >>>> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the> > > > quiz, it> > > > > >>>> would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I> > > > read so many> > > > > >>>> books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will> > guide me.> > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> --- On *Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co.> > > > in<bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > >>>> >* wrote:> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com> > > > > >>>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > >>>> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz,> > > > would> > > > > >>>> prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from> > > > participating> > > > > >>>> in the quiz.> > > > > >>>> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of> > > > measurement or> > > > > >>>> yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> > > > > >>>> There could be many reasons for one not participating,> > > > including lack of> > > > > >>>> time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with> > > > cases such as> > > > > >>>> accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the> > quiz being> > > > > >>>> fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing> > failures,> > > > > >>>> embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear> > > > answer, and so> > > > > >>>> many other such reasons looming , from individual to> > > > individual. *Which> > > > > >>>> reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to> > judge.*> > > > > >>>> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly> > > > person> > > > > >>>> and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you> > > > think ?> > > > > >>>> After all he has proved himself over and over again on> > > > innumerable occasions> > > > > >>>> that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates> > > > from passing> > > > > >>>> in Quizzes. Or does he ?> > > > > >>>> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra> > > > (Age)> > > > > >>>> both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> > > > > >>>> Please take this positively.> > > > > >>>> best wishes,> > > > > >>>> Bhaskar.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > ...>> > > > > >>>> wrote:> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Dear L.Y.Rao> > > > > >>>> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate> > > > in the> > > > > >>>> quiz?> > > > > >>>> > Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > > > > >>>> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > > > Naadi> > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > > > > >>>> > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Dears TW & Punit,> > > > > >>>> > I just cannot comprehend as to> > > > just what> > > > > >>>> people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly> > > > says that> > > > > >>>> KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the> > > > Nadi is also> > > > > >>>> given by him...> > > > > >>>> > But what is the hullabuloo about> > > > ? Does> > > > > >>>> it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> > > > > >>>> > Unless of course, the objective> > > > seems to> > > > > >>>> be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of> > > > the development> > > > > >>>> of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > > > > >>>> > What is more important,to my> > > > mind, is the> > > > > >>>> useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not> > > > wasting the> > > > > >>>> groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about> > > > who discovered> > > > > >>>> what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom> > > > ?...and for> > > > > >>>> example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory> > > > has now taken> > > > > >>>> over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to> > be be> > > > > >>>> discovered.. .> > > > > >>>> > Improvements in the existing> > > > Padhdhati in> > > > > >>>> order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be> > > > the objective> > > > > >>>> of all inquiring students of astrology.> > > > > >>>> > I hope more and more students of> > > > > >>>> astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even> > > > notoriety just to> > > > > >>>> draw attention towards themselves.. . .> > > > > >>>> > I am sure that you both and> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > >>>> certainly believe likewise...> > > > > >>>> > With kind regards,> > > > > >>>> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > >>>> > GOOD> > > > LUCK !> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > tw853 tw853 >> > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > > > > >>>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > Naadi> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak> > to Satya> > > > > >>>> Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities.> > > > First one> > > > > >>>> is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of> > > > Ruling> > > > > >>>> planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,> > > > suggest that he> > > > > >>>> got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that> > > > certain ruling> > > > > >>>> planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the> > > > birth time, and> > > > > >>>> also dominate the individual's life.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection> > > > between the> > > > > >>>> planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events> > > > from Brihat> > > > > >>>> Jatak.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya> > Jatak as> > > > > >>>> mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in> > > > sloka 6:> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with> > reference to:> > > > > >>>> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the> > > > navamsa> > > > > >>>> diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the> > > > rasis> > > > > >>>> occupied by the above three.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon> > > > or Lagna,> > > > > >>>> whichever is stronger.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the> > > > ascendant.> > > > > >>>> If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the> > > > star in which> > > > > >>>> the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on> > > > the other> > > > > >>>> hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the> > > > star in which> > > > > >>>> it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as> > > > the tune of> > > > > >>>> birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1)> > > > Adhana lagna> > > > > >>>> i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the> > > > moment at> > > > > >>>> which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana> > > > 1agnathe moment> > > > > >>>> at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches> > > > the earth. As> > > > > >>>> it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately,> > > > the third one> > > > > >>>> should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of> > > > taking Moon> > > > > >>>> or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at> > > > early stage)> > > > > >>>> and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar> > RPs.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs> > are the> > > > > >>>> combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever> > > > Dhanabalan ji> > > > > >>>> may call.> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > tw> > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"> > punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What> > > > Satyacharya> > > > > >>>> said> > > > > >>>> > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for> > > > determining> > > > > >>>> the> > > > > >>>> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common> > > > interpretation) . In> > > > > >>>> > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any> > moment" using> > > > > >>>> these> > > > > >>>> > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or> > > > horary> > > > > >>>> > > astrology, as far as I know.> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from> > "Brihat> > > > > >>>> Jatak"> > > > > >>>> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is> > connection> > > > > >>>> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and> > > > planets ruling> > > > > >>>> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised> > upon the> > > > > >>>> ideas> > > > > >>>> > > taken from these two texts.> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" ,> > > > following are> > > > > >>>> the> > > > > >>>> > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > > > > >>>> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > > > >>>> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is> > powerful)> > > > > >>>> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are> > located> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> > > > r.dhanabalan@wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > Dear Punitji> > > > > >>>> > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by> > > > Dr.Satya Prakash> > > > > >>>> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi> > concept. I am> > > > > >>>> > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment> > > > according> > > > > >>>> > > to the sage are:> > > > > >>>> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > > >>>> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > > >>>> > > > * Moon signlord> > > > > >>>> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > >>>> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the> > > > Navamsa lagna> > > > > >>>> lord> > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has> > > > taken> > > > > >>>> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told> > > > you already> > > > > >>>> > > as japanese style.> > > > > >>>> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Punit ji, 1. It is not from the KP Readers and so it is put in the 2nd level (It is also answer to Dhanabalan ji's question). 2. When I had found the 4 signification in the cases of accidents, especially fatal, I couldn't understand the rationale and later it was found for 4 representing 'end of everything', i.e., here end of life. 3. Right now I am not able to give those KP references and I will let you know some time later. Regards, tw , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Tw ji, > > Is usage of 4th for accidents is documented anywhere in KP readers? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:05 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > 1. 6 is for injury. If the 8CSL is a significator of 6, then the > > native will have fever, etc., following the accident. (KP Reader VI p > > 159, 2nd para) > > > > 2. 4 (end of everything) is used to be found in accidents, especially > > fatal cases. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > <%40>, > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Adith > > > My another doubt in the quiz3 is, the house 8 is also for chronic > > diseases. 6th house is disease. If the first cuspal sublord signifies > > 1,6,8,12 then the native may be admitted in the hospital due to > > chronic disease and need not be due to accident. > > > Another doubt is for occuring accident, the houses 4,8,12 have to be > > considered. Mr.TinWin has given a table " House grouping -part 4 " . In > > that table, whether he will met accident or not, he asked to look into > > the houses 8,12 mainly with 6 as supporting house. What way 6th house > > is related to accident? Why not he taken 4th house as supporting house > > for accident? > > > In the same table, he asked to consider houses 8,12 mainly and > > houses 4,6 as supporting houses to arrive Dasa Bukthi Antharam for > > accident. Why he included the houses 4, 6 here? > > > Dhanabalan > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@> > > > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > <%40> > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > > We dont have such answers also for Sun is weaker than nodes in this > > case. Here we have the example with the result. Also the strength does > > not depend just as Nodes or the Planets. As you know many points to be > > considered. > > > > > > Also in this case , as first cum first. Sun has come first as dasa > > Lord prior to Nodes . > > > > > > For instance , if I have not given the Sub as Dasa lord and asked > > the question " when he will meet with accidents in his life time? " , > > then the answer will be quite different. Many answers would have come. > > But may be some would have not chosen Sun dasa also. > > > So how to do the correct predictions? Here we have the answer,from > > which why cant we try to find some points which we might have missed > > also. Thats my opinion only to my my little knowledge. > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, I do respect your expertise. Also you consistent > > questions on the results is always good to make the importance of such > > points embedded in the minds. Definitely your queries are valuable. > > > > > > I duly appreciate your thoughts! > > > > > > Regards > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith > > > I want supporting evidence in KP Readers that Sun is stronger than > > Rahu/Ketu. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > @gro ups.com > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 6:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani ji > > > > > > I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the signlord they > > occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the planets > > which aspect them. Also as I have said why dont we think of the any > > importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th cusps??.Though > > Ketu is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. > > Having all these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > > > > > > Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not dropped ?? > > > > > > Regards > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > > As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > > > substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this is > > the finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected > > planet's qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite > > strong here being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its > > star lord Mars, karaka for accident is very strong with additional > > portfolio of Lagna signification, which is essential for accidents, I > > am not for dropping Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord > > in which the node is placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be > > replaced for Rahu. This has been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. > > strongly to include nodes in place of planets while selecting Ruling > > Planets and also while scrutinizing the Planets. As such inclusion of > > Rahu for Mercury and dropping the later is in accordance with > > > Guruji's advice. > > > While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in close > > conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it loosss > > whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence Sun as > > prime Dasa lord is > > > quite in order. > > > > > > ..With best wishes, > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani. . > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Dhanabalan R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani > > > Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. Why the > > Mercury was dropped? > > > Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > > Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake demonin > > Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to > > traditional astrology. I am unable to > > > quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not > > considered in K..P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th > > attributed to them. But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. > > It is only in Dr.K.R.Kar's sub sub theory, the theory of substitution > > for nodes have been > > > introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > > > In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun > > though in conjunction with Kethu is strong > > > by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > > > whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > > > In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > > > as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > > > houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > > I a > > > > > > - > > > Dhanabalan R > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani > > > Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. So Ketu > > represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has to be > > dropped from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > > > Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has to be > > dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > > > Dhanabalan > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > > > > > > My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > > > balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > > > cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, lord of > > 11th and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for Ayul > > Saturn and Rahu is not involved either with > > > Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > > > Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or > > Bhadhaka, though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in > > strength, as Moon is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as > > she is not significator of 8th > > > too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of 4th & > > 11th (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the > > picture. Sun is in his own star fairly strong. > > > Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star lord > > of 4th, 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > > > Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) associatd with > > another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > > > Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own sub. > > Thus S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > > > 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > > > Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > > > Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > > > evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > > > > > > Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani . > > > > > > - > > > Dhanabalan R > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramani > > > I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request > > somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > > > > > For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per > > TinWinJi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > > > > > > > Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets occupied > > > > > > > > > Planets in the sub of house lord > > > > > > > > > Planets in the star of house lord > > > > > > > > > House lord > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > > > > > > > Sat > > > > > > > > > Mar,Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mer > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > > > > Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > > > > > Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > (6) > > > > > > Ven > > > > > > Jup, > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > Mer > > > > > > > > > (4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > Strong significators for > > > House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > House 6: Venus > > > House 4: Venus > > > Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > > > Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > > > Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > > > Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in Mars sub > > > Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon > > star. Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > > > > > Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets have > > come as significators) > > > In the normal practice, > > > Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > > > Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > > > Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > > > Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But it > > is told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > > > > > Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem > > > Day lord :Moon > > > Rasi lord :Moon > > > Rasi star :Mercury > > > Lagna lord :Moon > > > Lagna star :Mercury > > > > > > Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > > > > > Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in > > significator list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common > > planet is Moon only. > > > To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have included > > lagna sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > > > Lagna sublord :Venus > > > Moon Sublord :Rahu > > > Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > > > Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > > > > > > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as > > authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme > > as childish and it is below their > > > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their > > reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. > > Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their > > ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the > > absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair > > > knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > > > forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are > > slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 > > simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may > > give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for > > beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time > > > the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > > > initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > > > > > goes wrong. - > > > Dhanabalan R > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the > > quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I > > read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will > > guide me. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > @gro ups.com > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would > > prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from > > participating in the quiz. > > > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement > > or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > > > There could be many reasons for one not participating, including > > lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with > > cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the > > quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing > > failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear > > answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to > > individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not > > anyone to judge. > > > You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly > > person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you > > think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on > > innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not > > require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ? > > > Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) > > both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > > > Please take this positively. > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao > > > > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in > > the quiz? > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > > > > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit, > > > > I just cannot comprehend as to just > > what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > > > > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says > > that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the > > Nadi is also given by him... > > > > But what is the hullabuloo about ? > > Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > > > > Unless of course, the objective seems > > to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the > > development of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > > > > What is more important,to my mind, is > > the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not > > wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics > > about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where > > and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the > > Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more > > theories are bound to be be discovered.. . > > > > Improvements in the existing > > Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results > > should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology. > > > > I hope more and more students of > > astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just > > to draw attention towards themselves.. . . > > > > I am sure that you both and Kanak > > Bosmia certainly believe likewise... > > > > With kind regards, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > > > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya > > Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First > > one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling > > planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest > > that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that > > certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at > > the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life. > > > > > > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between > > the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events > > from Brihat Jatak.. > > > > > > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as > > mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > > > > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to: > > > > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the > > navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of > > the rasis occupied by the above three. > > > > > > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or > > Lagna, whichever is stronger. > > > > > > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the > > ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the > > star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. > > If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the > > lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth > > star...... > > > > > > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > > > > > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the > > tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) > > Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna > > i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) > > Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the > > mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the > > first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for > > preparing the horoscope > > > > > > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking > > Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at > > early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but > > similar RPs. > > > > > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the > > combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever > > Dhanabalan ji may call. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " punitp@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What > > Satyacharya said > > > > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for > > determining the > > > > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In > > > > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using > > these > > > > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary > > > > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat > > Jatak " > > > > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection > > > > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling > > > > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the > > ideas > > > > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following > > are the > > > > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > > > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > > > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful) > > > > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punitji > > > > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash > > > > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am > > > > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according > > > > > to the sage are: > > > > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord > > > > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger) > > > > > > * Moon signlord > > > > > > * Navamsa lagna lord > > > > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa > > lagna lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken > > > > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already > > > > > as japanese style. > > > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Ms. Sujata ji, Could you patiently refer Msg#18813, 18839, 18881, 18905, 18909, 18919. Regards, tw , sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: > > Dear TWji > KP has not advised comparing horary results with the Natal results? > Regards > sujata > > --- On Fri, 13/2/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > tw853 <tw853 > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > Friday, 13 February, 2009, 11:25 AM KP Reader VI p 17 > 3. Any student of Astrology will not be able to carry out the research for decades and decades and have a satisfactory solution for the various problems within his lifetime. Honestly so many centuries will be needed to carry out the research on Natal horoscope. > 4. But in Horary Astrology one takes the moment of the judgment, makes a chart and offers the result. This horoscope will be very correct and the result also will be amazingly accurate. > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > > > *If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long > > process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as > > divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious. > > *Why can't we have two different methods. There are two good methods in KP > > that can also complement each other. Process of reading birth chart is > > better documented and better researched than the process of reading divine > > indications and that is the reason we rely more on birth chart. More > > research is required on RP. > > > > KP readers have quite a few examples on application of RP. Book " KP and RP " > > is also have some good collection of articles on this subject. Check this as > > well - > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/2008/ 08/predicting- minor-events- using-astrology. html > > > > *Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means > > Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and > > ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign > > lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by > > RPs for any question? > > *There are research work with an attempt on putting this in sequence, but > > still needs to be verified and statistically documented. More research is > > required. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ . wrote: > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > > > If RPs gives the correct answer than why we do exercise for a long > > > process,it may be given help to decide if we are in some confusion as > > > divine help but getting right answer by this pattern is suspicious. > > > > > > If we request for more help than we are getting the day lord same on a > > > same day. > > > > > > Your description is really miracle,which you have got by RPs.It means > > > Ascendant and Moon star lord is main,as you have got Rahu,than day and > > > ascendant lord comes after,as you have got Venus, than Moon sign > > > lord,as you have got Mercury.We can try this sequence for judgment by > > > RPs for any question? > > > > > > It is similar to " Prashan_Marg " of tradition but in simple way.I will > > > try this RPs system with " Pashana'. > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable reply. > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > > > > > > > We can never expect absolutely correct time. We should always have > > > margin > > > > for error and that is the reason I only talked about mahadasa, > > > bhukti and > > > > antardasa and didin't talk about sookshma. In KP, Ruling Planets are > > > used > > > > for devine help and we should used it intelligently. At the time of > > > > judgement, I request divine help for finding Bhukti and Antardaa. > > > Here are > > > > ruling planets I got - > > > > > > > > TOJ: 23:31:14 > > > > DOJ:6 February 2009 > > > > Place: Agra > > > > > > > > Day Lord: Venus > > > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Venus > > > > Ascendant Sign Lord: Rahu > > > > Moon Sign Lord: Mercury > > > > Moon Star Lord: Rahu > > > > > > > > *So the RPs were Venus, Rahu, Mercury. What a miracle!!!* The actual > > > answer > > > > was Sun-Rahu-Venus. We were already knowing that it is in Sun's > > > mahadasa. I > > > > had to fix only Bhukti and Antardasa and I RPs have given me clear > > > > indication. Though it was my mistake that I went for Mercury in place of > > > > Rahu, a judgemental mitake. As you will notice in my email, I dind't > > > > selected sookshma dasa, but if I had to select, based on my RP, I > > > would have > > > > selected Merucry and it is what shows the different in time. There is > > > > possiblity, based on my RP, that the native was running > > > > Sun-Rahu-Venus- Merucry dasa and not Sun-Rahu-Venus- Saturn as given by > > > > calculation. > > > > > > > > The point I want to make here is that we can get right answer even > > > if the > > > > time if not correct. We need to trust divine help in the form of Ruling > > > > Planets. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:47 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > > > > > > > We know the date of accident but how we are sure abut date of birth > > > > > and time is correct?If these are wrong than whole exercise is going to > > > > > wrong.You are and Dhanbalanji and many are well know the traditional > > > > > Astrology what are yous opinion as per traditional system about this > > > > > accident on Sun-Rahu-Venus- Saturn period,you can justify it?Reason > > > > > here to only justification only.Mr.Adithji is sure about given data to > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > In my view by these data accident should be happened > > > > > Sun-Mars-Mars- Mares period date i am getting 24-11-2002 or in the > > > > > period of Sun-Ma-Ke-Ke date 14-2-2003.Native born with Capricorn > > > > > Ascendant where Mars and Jupiter are strong Markesh,in sever accident > > > > > we should involve the strong Markesh.Mars, Jupiter ,Sun and Ketu should > > > > > be involeve as per my views,some extend Saturn because of Ascendant > > > > > lord for accident. > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubt about given data so i have asked the Two question in > > > > > the forum as topic " Cusp V/S Bhava " but nobody senior have taken in > > > > > notice and no body attempt it to reply me or guide me where i am wrong > > > > > or right. > > > > > > > > > > We can consider my view just to rectify all doubts.Rules are never > > > > > wrong applier will be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com><% > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > Punit > > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Let us be open to all the ideas. The first priority is to > > > > > get an > > > > > > accurate answer. In fact, I wish that the followers of four step and > > > > > cuspal > > > > > > interlinks also participate so that we can learn from those systems > > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though only request is to mark non-KP theories as much as possible, > > > > > so that > > > > > > beginners are not getting confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand and accept your points. It was just my thought. That > > > > > may not > > > > > > > be correct also.But let me analyse for any such signfications in > > > > > any future > > > > > > > charts .If so, we can discuss on that in the forum. Hope that will > > > > > be better > > > > > > > as you said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> *There seems no need to introduce confusion by considering cuspal > > > > > star > > > > > > >> lord as significator. * Sun is strong significator of 12th house > > > > > based on > > > > > > >> standard KP four fold signification mechanism and this is good > > > > > enough reason > > > > > > >> of happening this event in Sun's mahadasa. Having said that, > > > > > accident is not > > > > > > >> one time event and it can happen again. Next time, Ketu may be > > > > > there in > > > > > > >> place of Sun, as Ketu also strongly signifies 12th and connected > > > > > with 8th > > > > > > >> apart from being agent of Sun. We don't know the future yet. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM, adith kasinath.g.k < > > > > > > >> gkadithkasinath@> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Dear Ramani ji > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I do agree with your statement of Nodes replacing the > > > signlord they > > > > > > >>> occupy.And they are capable of giving the qualities of the > > > > > planets which > > > > > > >>> aspect them. Also as I have said *why dont we think of the any > > > > > > >>> importance of the Sun being star lord of 4 and 8 th > > > > > cusps*??.Though Ketu > > > > > > >>> is in Sun star. Ketu is with close conjucntion with Sun itself. > > > > > Having all > > > > > > >>> these qualities would have caused Sun to give the result?? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Also both Mercury and Sat are in Sat sub. Hence Sat is not > > > > > dropped ?? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Regards > > > > > > >>> Adith > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> As I have said in my previous mail, it is Dr.Kar's theory of > > > > > > >>>> substitution of nodes for planets. I am not aware whether this > > > > > is the > > > > > > >>>> finding of KSK. Planets aspecting node will give the aspected > > > > > planet's > > > > > > >>>> qualities to the nodes and not vice versa. As Saturn is quite > > > > > strong here > > > > > > >>>> being placed in 8th sign, place of accident along with its star > > > > > lord Mars, > > > > > > >>>> karaka for accident is very strong with additional portfolio of > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > >>>> signification, which is essential for accidents, I am not for > > > > > dropping > > > > > > >>>> Saturn for Rahu. As regards to Mercury, sign lord in which the > > > > > node is > > > > > > >>>> placed is Agent of Mercury and Mercury can be replaced for > > > > > Rahu. This has > > > > > > >>>> been emphasised by late Dri K.S.K. strongly to include nodes in > > > > > place of > > > > > > >>>> planets while selecting Ruling Planets and also while > > > > > scrutinizing the > > > > > > >>>> Planets. As such inclusion of Rahu for Mercury and dropping > > > > > the later is in > > > > > > >>>> accordance with > > > > > > >>>> Guruji's advice. > > > > > > >>>> While discussing about the main Dasa lord Sun, Kethu is in > > > close > > > > > > >>>> conjunction with Sun. Kethu is burnt with the rays of Sun, it > > > > > loosss > > > > > > >>>> whatever strength he has and the Sun emerges as strong. Hence > > > > > Sun as prime > > > > > > >>>> Dasa lord is > > > > > > >>>> quite in order. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> .With best wishes, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani. . > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com <%40g roups..com><% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:05 PM > > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > > >>>> Mercury has no planet in its star. So Mercury is stronger. > > > Why the > > > > > > >>>> Mercury was dropped? > > > > > > >>>> Saturn has no planet in its star. Why Saturn was not dropped? > > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@>* wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > > from Naadi > > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com><% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:53 PM > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalan, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Among the two nodes Rahu and Kethu (Head & Tail of snake > > > demonin > > > > > > >>>> Purana), Kethu is weaker than Rahu in strength according to > > > > > traditional > > > > > > >>>> astrology. I am unable to > > > > > > >>>> quote the reference. Similarly, the aspects of node are not > > > > > considered > > > > > > >>>> in K.P, though some use the aspects of 5th, 9th and 12th > > > > > attributed to them. > > > > > > >>>> But other planets' aspecton them qill be there. It is only in > > > > > Dr.K.R.Kar's > > > > > > >>>> sub sub theory, the theory of substitution for nodes have been > > > > > > >>>> introduced replacing the planet aspecting by the node. > > > > > > >>>> In the quiz 3, Rahu;s aspect on Sun need not be considered. Sun > > > > > though > > > > > > >>>> in conjunction with Kethu is strong > > > > > > >>>> by its own constellation and he is in the sub of Mars in > > > > > > >>>> whoose steps Kethu is supposed to follow (Kujawat Kethu) > > > > > > >>>> In view of this Sun can be considered as prime Dasa lord, > > > > > > >>>> as it is the earliest Dasa concerning with all the relevant > > > > > > >>>> houses of accident and hospitalisation etc. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> I a > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com><% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:41 PM > > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun may be in its own star but rapt conjunction with Ketu. > > > So Ketu > > > > > > >>>> represents Sun. Ketu will give the result of Sun. The Sun has > > > > > to be dropped > > > > > > >>>> from the sugnificator list. Is there any exemption? > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Saturn aspects Rahu. Rahu represents Saturn. The Saturn has > > > to be > > > > > > >>>> dropped from the significator list. Is there any exemption? > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > > from Naadi > > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:34 AM > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> My observation is that the native was born in Kethu Dasa > > > > > > >>>> balance left was only few days. When we look tor lagna > > > > > > >>>> cusp for longevity, it is Rahu in the star of Jupiter at 9, > > > > > lord of 11th > > > > > > >>>> and 12th Bhavam. Rahu is aspected strongly by the Karaka for > > > > > Ayul Saturn and > > > > > > >>>> Rahu is not involved either with > > > > > > >>>> Bhadhaka or Maraka. Hence longevity is fairly good. > > > > > > >>>> Next Venus Dasa too has no strong connection with Maraka or > > > > > Bhadhaka, > > > > > > >>>> though he is in the star of Moon, 7th lord, but feeble in > > > > > strength, as Moon > > > > > > >>>> is not strong for 7th. So Venus is also ruled out as she is not > > > > > significator > > > > > > >>>> of 8th > > > > > > >>>> too as 2 malefic planets are placed in 8th. Venus is S/L of > > > > > 4th & 11th > > > > > > >>>> (not an evil house). Next to Venus Dasa, Sun comes in the > > > > > picture. Sun is > > > > > > >>>> in his own star fairly strong. > > > > > > >>>> Sun with his own star (equivalent to self strength) is Star > > > > > lord of 4th, > > > > > > >>>> 8th and 12th all the houses for accident. > > > > > > >>>> Sun is in the sub of Mars in 8tth (accident house) > > > associatd with > > > > > > >>>> another natural malefic Saturrn lord of > > > > > > >>>> Lagna having connection to both 1 and 8th, being in his own > > > > > sub. Thus > > > > > > >>>> S/L of Sun, Mars is strongly connected to > > > > > > >>>> 1 and 8th houses required for causing severe accident. > > > > > > >>>> Hence Sun Dasa is justified. Moreover, it is the earliest > > > > > > >>>> Dasa lord (Prime Minister) coming earlier than the other > > > > > > >>>> evil dasas of Mars, Saturn, Mercury etc. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Thanking you for your sharing your obstacle with me. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani . > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> - > > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com><% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM > > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Ramani > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I > > > request > > > > > > >>>> somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), > > > (4) as per > > > > > > >>>> TinWinJi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of planets occupied > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of planets occupied > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets occupied > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets in the sub of house lord > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets in the star of house lord > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House lord > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> 8 > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sat > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mar,Sat > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mer > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> 12 > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun, Ketu, Moon, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rahu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Jup > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> (6) > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ven > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Jup, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rahu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Moon, Mars, Jup > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mer > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> (4) > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Venus > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Strong significators for > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House 6: Venus > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> House 4: Venus > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in > > > > > Mars sub > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon > > > > > star. > > > > > > >>>> Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mer,Sat,Sun, Ketu,Rahu, Moon,Mar, Jup,Ven(All the nine planets > > > > > have come > > > > > > >>>> as significators) > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> In the normal practice, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But > > > > > it is > > > > > > >>>> told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon, Mars,Venus > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, > > > near Salem > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Day lord :Moon > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rasi lord :Moon > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Rasi star :Mercury > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Lagna lord :Moon > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Lagna star :Mercury > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Moon aspects sun(opposition) > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in > > > > > significator > > > > > > >>>> list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet > > > > > is Moon only. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have > > > > > included lagna > > > > > > >>>> sublord and moon sublord in the RP list. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Lagna sublord :Venus > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Moon Sublord :Rahu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept > > > from Naadi > > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > > >>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are > > > > > considered as > > > > > > >>>> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz > > > > > programme as > > > > > > >>>> childish and it is below their > > > > > > >>>> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that > > > their > > > > > > >>>> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes > > > > > wrong. Majority > > > > > > >>>> of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance > > > > > or for study > > > > > > >>>> and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such > > > > > majority members, > > > > > > >>>> only few members who have fair > > > > > > >>>> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > > > > > >>>> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come > > > > > > >>>> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are > > > > > slightly > > > > > > >>>> more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 > > > > > simple questions > > > > > > >>>> daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the > > > > > answers to > > > > > > >>>> the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and > > > > > interested > > > > > > >>>> persons to gain experience. In the mean time > > > > > > >>>> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > > > > > >>>> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > > > > > >>>> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > > > > > >>>> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should > > > > > > >>>> initiate this with your abundant knowledge. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> With best wishes, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> K.S.V.Ramani > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> goes wrong. - > > > > > > >>>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > > >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com > > > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com><% > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > > > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > >>>> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the > > > > > quiz, it > > > > > > >>>> would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I > > > > > read so many > > > > > > >>>> books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will > > > guide me. > > > > > > >>>> Dhanabalan > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > > > > in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > >>>> >* wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi > > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com > > > > > > >>>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > > > > >>>> Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, > > > > > would > > > > > > >>>> prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from > > > > > participating > > > > > > >>>> in the quiz. > > > > > > >>>> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of > > > > > measurement or > > > > > > >>>> yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not. > > > > > > >>>> There could be many reasons for one not participating, > > > > > including lack of > > > > > > >>>> time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with > > > > > cases such as > > > > > > >>>> accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the > > > quiz being > > > > > > >>>> fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing > > > failures, > > > > > > >>>> embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear > > > > > answer, and so > > > > > > >>>> many other such reasons looming , from individual to > > > > > individual. *Which > > > > > > >>>> reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to > > > judge.* > > > > > > >>>> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly > > > > > person > > > > > > >>>> and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you > > > > > think ? > > > > > > >>>> After all he has proved himself over and over again on > > > > > innumerable occasions > > > > > > >>>> that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates > > > > > from passing > > > > > > >>>> in Quizzes. Or does he ? > > > > > > >>>> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra > > > > > (Age) > > > > > > >>>> both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses. > > > > > > >>>> Please take this positively. > > > > > > >>>> best wishes, > > > > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > > > ...> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Dear L.Y.Rao > > > > > > >>>> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate > > > > > in the > > > > > > >>>> quiz? > > > > > > >>>> > Dhanabalan > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . > > > > > > >>>> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@ > > > > > > >>>> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@ > > > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Dears TW & Punit, > > > > > > >>>> > I just cannot comprehend as to > > > > > just what > > > > > > >>>> people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove... > > > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly > > > > > says that > > > > > > >>>> KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the > > > > > Nadi is also > > > > > > >>>> given by him... > > > > > > >>>> > But what is the hullabuloo about > > > > > ? Does > > > > > > >>>> it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati... > > > > > > >>>> > Unless of course, the objective > > > > > seems to > > > > > > >>>> be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of > > > > > the development > > > > > > >>>> of K.P.(FULL STOP)... > > > > > > >>>> > What is more important,to my > > > > > mind, is the > > > > > > >>>> useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not > > > > > wasting the > > > > > > >>>> groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about > > > > > who discovered > > > > > > >>>> what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom > > > > > ?...and for > > > > > > >>>> example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory > > > > > has now taken > > > > > > >>>> over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to > > > be be > > > > > > >>>> discovered.. . > > > > > > >>>> > Improvements in the existing > > > > > Padhdhati in > > > > > > >>>> order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be > > > > > the objective > > > > > > >>>> of all inquiring students of astrology. > > > > > > >>>> > I hope more and more students of > > > > > > >>>> astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even > > > > > notoriety just to > > > > > > >>>> draw attention towards themselves.. . . > > > > > > >>>> > I am sure that you both and > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > >>>> certainly believe likewise... > > > > > > >>>> > With kind regards, > > > > > > >>>> > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > >>>> > GOOD > > > > > LUCK ! > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > tw853 tw853 > > > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com > > > > > > >>>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM > > > > > > >>>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from > > > Naadi > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak > > > to Satya > > > > > > >>>> Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. > > > > > First one > > > > > > >>>> is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of > > > > > Ruling > > > > > > >>>> planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, > > > > > suggest that he > > > > > > >>>> got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that > > > > > certain ruling > > > > > > >>>> planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the > > > > > birth time, and > > > > > > >>>> also dominate the individual's life. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection > > > > > between the > > > > > > >>>> planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events > > > > > from Brihat > > > > > > >>>> Jatak. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya > > > Jatak as > > > > > > >>>> mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in > > > > > sloka 6: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with > > > reference to: > > > > > > >>>> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > >>>> diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the > > > > > rasis > > > > > > >>>> occupied by the above three. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon > > > > > or Lagna, > > > > > > >>>> whichever is stronger. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the > > > > > ascendant. > > > > > > >>>> If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the > > > > > star in which > > > > > > >>>> the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on > > > > > the other > > > > > > >>>> hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the > > > > > star in which > > > > > > >>>> it is posited is to be taken as the birth star...... > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as > > > > > the tune of > > > > > > >>>> birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) > > > > > Adhana lagna > > > > > > >>>> i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the > > > > > moment at > > > > > > >>>> which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana > > > > > 1agnathe moment > > > > > > >>>> at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches > > > > > the earth. As > > > > > > >>>> it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, > > > > > the third one > > > > > > >>>> should be taken for preparing the horoscope > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of > > > > > taking Moon > > > > > > >>>> or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at > > > > > early stage) > > > > > > >>>> and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar > > > RPs. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs > > > are the > > > > > > >>>> combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever > > > > > Dhanabalan ji > > > > > > >>>> may call. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > tw > > > > > > >>>> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " > > > punitp@ wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What > > > > > Satyacharya > > > > > > >>>> said > > > > > > >>>> > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for > > > > > determining > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > >>>> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common > > > > > interpretation) . In > > > > > > >>>> > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any > > > moment " using > > > > > > >>>> these > > > > > > >>>> > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or > > > > > horary > > > > > > >>>> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from > > > " Brihat > > > > > > >>>> Jatak " > > > > > > >>>> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is > > > connection > > > > > > >>>> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and > > > > > planets ruling > > > > > > >>>> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised > > > upon the > > > > > > >>>> ideas > > > > > > >>>> > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , > > > > > following are > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > >>>> > > planets for judging destiny of a native - > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign > > > > > > >>>> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa > > > > > > >>>> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is > > > powerful) > > > > > > >>>> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are > > > located > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R > > > > > r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > Dear Punitji > > > > > > >>>> > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by > > > > > Dr.Satya Prakash > > > > > > >>>> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi > > > concept. 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