HORARY event chart - when will I get my money back?

[Guest guest]

Dear esteemed Sirs,

 

I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you

kindly

give me what interpretation you can for this event.

 

Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43

N 39)

Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?

the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is

asking

when will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if

any)

 

Here are some chart details:

Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' Pushya

Sun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' Jyestha

Moon: Taurus 17 dg 7' Rohini

 

Any interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the square

(90 dg) separating

aspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.

 

Thanking you in advance,

 

regards,

K. pandittesekera.

 

 

 

 

-

 

 

Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:34 AM

Digest Number 2686

 

 

There are 19 messages in this issue.

 

Topics in this digest:

 

1a. Re: Q.02

tw853

1b. Re: Q.02

tw853

1c. Re: Q.02

Ramani

1d. Re: Q.02

Raichur-a-r

1e. Re: Q.02

Punit Pandey

 

2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

Raichur-a-r

 

3. Birth details of Unmarried ladies

biprid

 

4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

tw853

 

5.1. Re: Learning K P System

tw853

5.2. Re: Learning K P System

Raichur-a-r

5.3. Re: Learning K P System

Raichur-a-r

 

6. Slight Differences in Swiss Ephemeris using SWs

tw853

 

7. A Note on Mean Nodes vs True Nodes

tw853

 

8.1. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

Prem Chopra

8.2. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

gkadithkasinath

 

9a. Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and co

adith kasinath.g.k

 

10a. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

adith kasinath.g.k

10b. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

ajoy_matchless

 

11. Fwd: MAHADASHA OF SUB LORD OF 6TH HOUSE ( M IMP MONEY HOUSE)

Punit Pandey

 

 

Messages

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1a. Re: Q.02

Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Dhanabalan,

 

Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.

 

> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05

> JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>

 

tw

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear TinWin

> One correction.

> For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KP

Astro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 tw853

> Re: Q.02

>

> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM

Dear Ramani ji,

>

> No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> Message #22020 of 22047

> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

>

> Birth detail of the Baby

> DOB - 24. 12. 2008

> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

allowed.)

> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> By using KPNA 23:53:32,

> KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as in

uploaded chart)

> JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

> Birth detail of the Baby

> DOB - 24. 12. 2009

> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

allowed.)

> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> By using KPNA 23:54:22,

> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05

> JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>

>

> @gro ups.com, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > ear Moderator,

> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear

why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The

quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only

for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may

kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> >

> > Thanking you.

> > Astrologically yours,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

>

 

 

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1b. Re: Q.02

Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:09 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,

 

This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This is

nothing with compared to the heated discussions we had before.

Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. This

is the forum to discuss in learning KP.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan

<sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani Ji,

> Thanks for yr understanding.

> I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.

> All of us are students anyway.

> We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not

for loosing anything.

> What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.

>

> Wish u all the best.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM

> Re: Q.02

>

>

> Dear Sir,

> Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not

> found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix some

norms for

> uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my

> carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that I

omitted to see

> some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt

> you.

>

> With regards,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

> -

> Sunaparantha Kalyan

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM

> Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Members,

>

> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.

> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were

with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought

the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the

meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.

>

> That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.

> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to

BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it

is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and

it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.

> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to

understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this

connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any

uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are

depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.

> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.

> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the

KP followers.

> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was

beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important

discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical

Astrology.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM

> Q.02

>

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the

other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora,

as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.

It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future

Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

 

 

 

 

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1c. Re: Q.02

Posted by: " Ramani " kadavasalramani kadavasalramani

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:25 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

 

I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system

like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic

rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting

practical exercise

and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW

developers also should adopt uniform

procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

 

With regards,

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

-

Dhanabalan R

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey

 

My reply is in red color

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

 

Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

email. Please see my response below.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

 

 

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

 

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu.

It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the

node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is

using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean

Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

 

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY

THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION

AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

 

I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

 

Ayanamsa:

 

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP

have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct

prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline

ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline

ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam

from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

 

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO,

OR JUST SPECULATING?

 

At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are

using Straightline ayanamsa.

 

KP Publishers:

 

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of

nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the

publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have

conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

straightline and Lahari.

 

 

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

 

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to me, it is mathematically correct.

 

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK

THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY,

S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

 

It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has

this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available

in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

 

SubSub lord:

 

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub

and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

 

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT

SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

 

Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

 

Quiz charts:

 

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

 

 

Dhanabalan

 

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

Re: Q.02

Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

 

Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email. Please see my response below.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> wrote:

 

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used

mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path

of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai

is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean

Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE

RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE

EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER

APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE

MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU

CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

 

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other

stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they

could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are

using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to

use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to

Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

 

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in

spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected

by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is

no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for

KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts

at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months

back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE

FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND

USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK

BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by

using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS

WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events

by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above

40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: Q.02

 

@gro ups.com

 

Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same

time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa,

True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP

Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no

further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which

the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are

using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal

positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used.

Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can

compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their

case studies. But members can give justification for using different

parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave

correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct

prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may

use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao

is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan

 

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Q.02

 

@gro ups.com

 

Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora

for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other

SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW

and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with

Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard

labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may

kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against

Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person

from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to

attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of

code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1d. Re: Q.02

Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 pm ((PST))

 

This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists that

only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will

spammed.

 

 

raichur anant mumbai

 

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani

Re: Q.02

 

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

Â

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why

different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by

different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003

closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary

discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also

show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What

is your advice Sir.

Â

Astrologically yours,

Â

K.S.V.Ramani

Â

 

-

Dhanabalan R

 

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So

they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing

is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use

particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can

give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is

using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava

middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic

aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to

rectify the birth time.

Â

Dhanabalan

 

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Q.02

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many

others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why

there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis

master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

 taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should

use.. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly

deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the

information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

Â

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

Â

K.S.V.RamaniÂ

 

 

 

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1e. Re: Q.02

Posted by: " Punit Pandey " punitp pandeypunit

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:40 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Ramani ji,

 

I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this forum and

clear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (

http://sites.google.com/a/astrosage.com/logy/Home). Of course, I can

not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we will

make that wiki useful.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani

 

> Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

>

> I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system

> like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

> True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

> authentic

> rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting

> practical exercise

> and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request.

> SW

> developers also should adopt uniform

> procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

>

> With regards,

>

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

> -

> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> *To:*

> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Punit Pandey

>

> My reply is in red color

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> email.

> Please see my response below.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> <r.dhanabalan@+>>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani

>

>

>

> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

>

> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is

> an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node

> is

> correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of

> the

> westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True

> Rahu

> and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

> class.

> With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

> international

> level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I

> prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True

> Rahu is correct.

>

> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT

> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF

> YOU

> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE

> NAME

> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION

> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS

> WHO

> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT

> JUST

> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>

> I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

>

> Ayanamsa:

>

> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have

> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct

> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

> straightline

> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline

> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam

> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

>

> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR

> JUST SPECULATING?

>

> At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using

> Straightline ayanamsa.

>

> KP Publishers:

>

> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the

> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers

> have

> conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

> straightline and Lahari.

>

>

>

> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

>

> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According

> to

> me, it is mathematically correct.

>

> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA

> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.

> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE

> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

>

> It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this

> option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in

> my

> software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

>

> SubSub lord:

>

> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

>

> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN

> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>

> Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.

>

> Quiz charts:

>

> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>

>

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: Q.02

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> email.

> Please see my response below.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> <r.dhanabalan

> > wrote:

>

>> Dear Ramani

>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It

>> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the

>> node

>> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most

>> of

>> the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using

>> True

>> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

>> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

>> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu

>> and

>> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

>> Mathematically

>> True Rahu is correct.

>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT

>> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF

>> YOU

>> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE

>> NAME

>> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

>> CORRECTION

>> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS

>> WHO

>> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT

>> JUST

>> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>> Ayanamsa:

>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have

>> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct

>> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

>> straightline

>> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline

>> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam

>> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR

>> JUST SPECULATING?

>> KP Publishers:

>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

>> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the

>> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers

>> have

>> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

>> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

>> straightline and Lahari.

>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

>> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According

>> to

>> me, it is mathematically correct.

>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

>> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/

>> LAGNA

>> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.

>> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

>> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE

>> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

>> SubSub lord:

>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

>> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN

>> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>> Quiz charts:

>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

>> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

>> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>> Dhanabalan

>>

>>

>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

>> gmail.com<kadavasalramani

>> >* wrote:

>>

>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani>

>> Re: Q.02

>> @gro ups.com

>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

>>

>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

>>

>> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder

>> why

>> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by

>> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in

>> 2003

>> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary

>> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also

>> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What

>> is

>> your advice Sir.

>>

>> Astrologically yours,

>>

>> K.S.V.Ramani

>>

>>

>> -

>> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

>> *To:* @gro ups.com

>> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

>> *Subject:* Re: Q.02

>>

>> Dear Ramani

>> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris..

>> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

>> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used.

>> Nothing

>> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use

>> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members

>> can

>> give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar

>> is

>> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use

>> bhava

>> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

>> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic

>> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to

>> rectify the birth time.

>>

>> Dhanabalan

>>

>> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:

>>

>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>> Q.02

>> @gro ups.com

>> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

>>

>> ear Moderator,

>> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many

>> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why

>> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis

>> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

>> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

>> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

>> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should

>> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly

>> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the

>> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

>> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>>

>> Thanking you.

>> Astrologically yours,

>>

>> K.S.V.Ramani

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

 

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2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:03 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Sir

Mr Abbas a resident of Pakistan, has put a in " htpp\\astrobook.blogspot.com

 got printed 14 pages from this

Â

The printout is not seqential. The author gives the contents of Nakshta

Chintamani in English, and extracts therefrom The contents are given, but

not all details. The only thing I learnt that Nakshatra Cintamani is

available in English ? The contents are fiven. The examples do give an idea

of what is in Sarvali Nakshatra Chintamani. The examples in this blog are

useful. The prinout is 14 pages.

 

 

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

 

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, watchthisfree <watchthisfree wrote:

 

watchthisfree <watchthisfree

Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

 

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 2:30 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear members,

 

I have just come across this site which gives some excerpts of a book

written by shri chandrakant bhatt called 'nakshatra chintamani' and 'further

light on nakshatra chintamni'. here is the site. it looks like someone has

written a blog here. but any way here is the link to the site

 

Nakshatra Chintamani onlineÂ

 

once you are at this link look at the right hand side and you will see some

links like

 

 

 

Saravali Part 1

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 5~

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 4~

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 3~

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 2~

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 1~click on any of these links and you will be

able to read some text from the related book. thanks a lot

 

ravi/ajay

 

 

 

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3. Birth details of Unmarried ladies

Posted by: " biprid " biprid biprid

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:08 pm ((PST))

 

Neelamji,

For accuracy,it will be better if you can provide location/landmark in

a city of the birth place so that correct long. and lat. can be

ascertained.

Biprid

 

 

 

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4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:10 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Dhanabalan,

 

1. It can be seen in the achieve who got the best score in the KPBC 1

to 10 done in this forum long time ago.

 

2. The main finding of the test is the KPNA being better fit in

choosing Sookshma.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Raichur

> Let Mr.Bosmia participate in the quiz and prove that KPNA is giving

correct prediction.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar

> Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:17 AM

>

>

>

>

>

test conducted by shree Bosmia, revealed that KPNew ayana fives mor

accurate results

>

>

>

> raichur anant

>

> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 > wrote:

>

> Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 >

> KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:50 AM

>

>

>

dpkn12

>

> DEAR LEARN KP ASTROLOGERS,

>

>

>

> I BECAME TO KNOW THAT THEAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT KP

AYANAMSA AS

> KP AYANAMSA AND NEW KP AYANAMSA.

>

>

> KINDLY CLARIFY WHY IS THAT, IF KP NEW AYANAMSA IS

THE MOST CORRECT

> ONE PLS JUSTIFIES IT.

>

> PERERA J D K N

>

>

 

> Dpkn12

>

>

>

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5.1. Re: Learning K P System

Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm ((PST))

 

Dear Shri Raichur,

 

1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (as

per date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.

 

2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.

 

3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was published

exactly as in 1965 original one.

 

4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> dear punitji and others

> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> Â

> Oct over 1971

> June 1975

>

> Â

> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÂ ©

> Â

> Â Â Â Â This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or

translated into any language in whole or paet withot the written

permissin of the author

> Â

> Price Rs 11-00

> Â

> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

>

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Punit Pandey

> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in

the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is

it not violation of copy right?

> Â

> DhanabalanÂ

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>

>

>

>

> Sunil ji,

>

> QUOTE

> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.

> UNQUOTE

>

> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dear Raichur ji,

> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright

owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright

owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

possibility.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@

>

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Sharma

> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>

> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>

>

> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Swami ji,

> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those

volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses

which is a welcome idea.

> Regards

> Sunil

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

>

>

>

> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear Punit ji,

> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.

> However , Students will do well if they read & digest

 Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V

ramamurti( Punarphoo)Â before reading KP Readers.

> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Â

> Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your

suggestions are followed.

> with regards

> Â

>

> Â OM TATSAT

> RCSrivastava

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u..com

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --

>

>

> -

> Punit Pandey

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

>

>

>

> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading

them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in

Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to

anybody.

> Â

> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant

Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest

you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may

recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and

little too detailed for the beginner.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books.

>

> You can contact him at

>

>

> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Raakesh K Sharma

>

>

> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

>

>

> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

>

> Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

>

Â

> I would like to learn K P System .

> Can I learn this on line?

> Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

>

>

>

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5.2. Re: Learning K P System

Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))

 

so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

 

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

 

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

Re: Learning K P System

 

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur

Â

I have the KSKâ?Ts original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I

am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in Â

page ii, â?o ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any

means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published

under arrangement with the author. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

publications, New Delhi .â?

Â

  Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six

volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers.

Â

Dhanabalan

 

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

 

Raichur-a-r <raichurar

Re: Learning K P System

 

Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp

Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear punitji and others

j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

in Book2 Page 2 the details are

Â

Oct over 1971

June 1975

 

Â

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÂ ©

Â

    This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into

any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

Â

Price Rs 11-00

Â

Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

 

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

 

--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups..com

Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey

Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6

KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

violation of copy right?

Â

DhanabalanÂ

 

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

 

 

 

 

Sunil ji,

 

QUOTE

The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in

the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright

would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work

of corporate authorship.

UNQUOTE

 

I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not

very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur ji,

I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not

wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright

laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the

readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a

workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP

Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

Regards

Sunil

 

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

 

Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@ >

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sharma

The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

 

Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

 

--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

 

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

Re: Learning K P System

 

@gro ups.com

 

Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swami ji,

Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and

every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being

disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader

is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be

re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get

them?

I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which

is a welcome idea.

Regards

Sunil

 

 

 

 

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Â

        || Om Gurave Namah ||

Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Punit ji,

Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best

one.

However , Students will do well if they read & digest Â

Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti(

Punarphoo)Â before reading KP Readers.

KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

Â

Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are

followed.

with regards

Â

 

 OM TATSAT

RCSrivastava

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u....com

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has

created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

@gro ups.com

Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them.

There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I

am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

Â

In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and

Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any

question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by

Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers.

This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other

senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are

slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence

course as well as books.

 

You can contact him at

 

 

KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA

SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

E-mail : kpsari. net.in

 

 

Best regards

 

Raakesh K Sharma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

 

 

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

 

Learning K P System

 

@gro ups.com

Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Â

I would like to learn K P System .

Can I learn this on line?

Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5.3. Re: Learning K P System

Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:54 pm ((PST))

 

Thanks for pointing out error

 

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

 

--- On Sun, 18/1/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

tw853 <tw853

Re: Learning K P System

 

Sunday, 18 January, 2009, 10:15 AM

 

Dear Shri Raichur,

 

1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (as

per date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.

 

2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.

 

3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was published

exactly as in 1965 original one.

 

4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> dear punitji and others

> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> Ã,Â

> Oct over 1971

> June 1975

>

> Ã,Â

> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÃ, ©

> Ã,Â

> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or

translated into any languageÃ, in whole or paet withot the written

permissin of the author

> Ã,Â

> Price Rs 11-00

> Ã,Â

> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

>

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Punit Pandey

> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of thoseÃ, volumes were copied in

the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is

it not violation of copy right?

> Ã,Â

> DhanabalanÃ,Â

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>

>

>

>

> Sunil ji,

>

> QUOTE

> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.

> UNQUOTE

>

> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dear Raichur ji,

> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright

owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright

owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

possibility.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma "

<sunilsharma21@

>

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Sharma

> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>

> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>

>

> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Swami ji,

> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those

volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses

which is a welcome idea.

> Regards

> Sunil

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

>

>

>

> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

Ã,Â

> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear Punit ji,

> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.

> However , Students will do well if they read & digest

Ã, Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V

ramamurti( Punarphoo)Ã, before reading KP Readers.

> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Ã,Â

> Application of KP rules Ã, is likly to be accurate if your

suggestions are followed.

> with regards

> Ã,Â

>

> Ã, OM TATSAT

> RCSrivastava

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.comÃ, Ã, Ã, http:\\www..kaalvast

u..com

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --

>

>

> -

> Punit Pandey

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

>

>

>

> Correspondence course is as goodÃ, as buying KP booksÃ, and reading

them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that becauseÃ, I myself have participated in

Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to

anybody.

> Ã,Â

> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant

Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest

you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may

recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and

little too detailed for the beginner.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji LateÃ, KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books.

>

> You can contact him at

>

>

> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Raakesh K Sharma

>

>

> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

>

>

> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

>

> Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

>

Ã,Â

> I would like to learn K P System .

> Can I learn this on line?

> Can I buy a course and learn ?Ã,Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

>

>

>

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Namsakaram

 

As per Chart Lagna Lord Moon was Placed in 11H and 11L Venus was placed in 7H which is 9th from 11H. 7L Saturn was placed in 2H which is 8th from 7H and 7th from 8H. Now to club up the consequence opponent have person's money from 2H to 8H which he invested for long term Creditability as Moon Venus have 9th angle Venus to Saturn is 8th angle which means help gained by the opponent. As 2L Sun was in 5H which is 11th of the opponent. Now when opponents 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H will operate then person will get able to recover all his capital Money he invested.

 

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM, K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear esteemed Sirs,I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you kindlygive me what interpretation you can for this event.Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43

N 39)Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is askingwhen will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if any)

Here are some chart details:Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' PushyaSun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' JyesthaMoon: Taurus 17 dg 7' RohiniAny interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the square

(90 dg) separatingaspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.Thanking you in advance,regards,K. pandittesekera.-

Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:34 AM Digest Number 2686There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:1a. Re: Q.02tw8531b. Re: Q.02tw8531c. Re: Q.02Ramani1d. Re: Q.02Raichur-a-r1e. Re: Q.02Punit Pandey2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

Raichur-a-r3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesbiprid4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLStw8535.1. Re: Learning K P Systemtw8535.2. Re: Learning K P System

Raichur-a-r5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemRaichur-a-r6. Slight Differences in Swiss Ephemeris using SWstw8537. A Note on Mean Nodes vs True Nodestw8538.1. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

Prem Chopra8.2. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Resultsgkadithkasinath9a. Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and coadith kasinath.g.k10a. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

adith kasinath.g.k10b. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02ajoy_matchless11. Fwd: MAHADASHA OF SUB LORD OF 6TH HOUSE ( M IMP MONEY HOUSE)

Punit PandeyMessages________1a. Re: Q.02Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm ((PST))Dear Dhanabalan,Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanwrote:>> Dear TinWin> One correction.

> For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KPAstro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:

>> tw853 tw853 Re: Q.02> > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM

>>>>>>> Dear Ramani ji,>> No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.>> Regards,>> tw>> Message #22020 of 22047

> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results>> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2008> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may beallowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:53:32,> KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as inuploaded chart)> JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2009> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

allowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:54:22,> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>>> @gro ups.com, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani@ ...>wrote:> >> > ear Moderator,> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clearwhy there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. Thequis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the> > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is onlyfor the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I maykindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> >> > Thanking you.

> > Astrologically yours,> >> > K.S.V.Ramani> >>Messages in this topic (19)________1b. Re: Q.02Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:09 pm ((PST))Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This isnothing with compared to the heated discussions we had before.Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. This

is the forum to discuss in learning KP.Regards,tw , Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha wrote:

>> Dear Ramani Ji,> Thanks for yr understanding.> I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.> All of us are students anyway.> We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not

for loosing anything.> What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.>> Wish u all the best.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM> Re: Q.02

>>> Dear Sir,> Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not> found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix somenorms for> uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my

> carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that Iomitted to see> some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt> you.>> With regards,>> K.S.V.Ramani

> - > Sunaparantha Kalyan> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM> Re: Q.02

>> Dear Members,>> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents werewith the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they soughtthe assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In themeantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.>> That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions toBTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as itis and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and

it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able tounderstand that there was not any Chart made or post in thisconnection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no anyuniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs aredepend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all theKP followers.> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which wasbeyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important

discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in MedicalAstrology.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ________________________________> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM> Q.02>>> ear Moderator,> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is notclear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and theother. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birthdata are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora,

as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.It is only for the information of the participants to attempt futureQs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.>> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>Messages in this topic (19)________1c. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Ramani " kadavasalramani kadavasalramani

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:25 pm ((PST))Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic

rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exerciseand coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniformprocedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

With regards,Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani- Dhanabalan R

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PMRe: Q.02Dear Punit PandeyMy reply is in red colorDear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline

ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO,

OR JUST SPECULATING?At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of

nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to me, it is mathematically correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has

this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub

and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp

Re: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PMDear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE

RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER

APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are

using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE

FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events

by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.com

Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AMDear Sri Dhanabalan,Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP

Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What is your advice Sir.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani- Dhanabalan R@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal

positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their

case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct

prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.Dhanabalan

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AMear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora

for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data aretaken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against

Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of

code.Thanking you.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.RamaniMessages in this topic (19)________1d. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 pm ((PST))This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists that only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will spammed.raichur anant mumbai

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani

Re: Q.02 Date: Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PMDear Sri Dhanabalan,ÂThank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why

different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary

discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.ÂAstrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.Ramani

Â- Dhanabalan R Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02

Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing

is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is

using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic

aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.ÂDhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

ear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis

master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should

use.. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.ÂThanking you.Astrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.RamaniÂGet perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now http://in.promos./address

Messages in this topic (19)________1e. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Punit Pandey " punitp pandeypunit

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:40 pm ((PST))Dear Ramani ji,I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this forum andclear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (http://sites.google.com/a/astrosage.com/logy/Home). Of course, I can

not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we willmake that wiki useful.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani

> Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,>> I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system> like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,> True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

> authentic> rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting> practical exercise> and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. > SW> developers also should adopt uniform

> procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.>> With regards,>> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>> -

> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan> *To:*

> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>> Dear Punit Pandey>> My reply is in red color>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> email.> Please see my response below.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r.dhanabalan@+>>

> wrote:>> Dear Ramani>>>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is> an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node

> is> correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of > the> westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True > Rahu> and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

> class.> With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the > international> level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I> prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True

> Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF > YOU> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE

> NAME> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS > WHO> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT

> JUST> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.>> I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have

> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using > straightline> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline

> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR> JUST SPECULATING?

>> At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using> Straightline ayanamsa.>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers > have> conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP> straightline and Lahari.>>>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According > to> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this

> option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in > my> software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>> Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.>>>> Dhanabalan>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

>> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Q.02>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your > email.> Please see my response below.

>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r.dhanabalan

> > wrote:>>> Dear Ramani>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It>> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the

>> node>> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most >> of>> the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using >> True>> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

>> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the>> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu >> and>> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

>> Mathematically>> True Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT>> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF

>> YOU>> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE >> NAME>> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING >> CORRECTION

>> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS >> WHO>> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT >> JUST>> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have>> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct>> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

>> straightline>> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline>> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam>> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR>> JUST SPECULATING?>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

>> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the>> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers >> have>> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

>> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP>> straightline and Lahari.>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

>> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According >> to>> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

>> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ >> LAGNA>> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.>> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

>> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE>> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

>> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN>> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the>> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40>> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>> Dhanabalan>>>>>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ >> gmail.com<kadavasalramani

>> >* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani>

>> Re: Q.02>> @gro ups.com

>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM>>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,>>>> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder >> why>> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by

>> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in >> 2003>> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary>> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also

>> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What >> is>> your advice Sir.>>>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>

>>>> ->> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan>> *To:* @gro ups.com

>> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>>>> Dear Ramani>> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris..>> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

>> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. >> Nothing>> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use>> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members

>> can>> give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar >> is>> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use >> bhava>> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

>> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic>> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to>> rectify the birth time.>>>> Dhanabalan

>>>> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>> Q.02>> @gro ups.com>> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM>>>> ear Moderator,>> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many

>> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why>> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis>> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

>> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.>> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the>> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should>> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly

>> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the>> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be>> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>>>> Thanking you.>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>>>>>>>>>>Messages in this topic (19)________

________2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerptsPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:03 pm ((PST))Dear SirMr Abbas a resident of Pakistan, has put a in " htpp\\astrobook.blogspot.com got printed 14 pages from this

ÂThe printout is not seqential. The author gives the contents of Nakshta Chintamani in English, and extracts therefrom The contents are given, but not all details. The only thing I learnt that Nakshatra Cintamani is

available in English ? The contents are fiven. The examples do give an idea of what is in Sarvali Nakshatra Chintamani. The examples in this blog are useful. The prinout is 14 pages.raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, watchthisfree <watchthisfree wrote:watchthisfree <watchthisfree

Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts Date: Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 2:30 PMDear members,

I have just come across this site which gives some excerpts of a book written by shri chandrakant bhatt called 'nakshatra chintamani' and 'further light on nakshatra chintamni'. here is the site. it looks like someone has

written a blog here. but any way here is the link to the siteNakshatra Chintamani onlineÂonce you are at this link look at the right hand side and you will see some links likeSaravali Part 1

~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 5~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 4~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 3~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 2~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 1~click on any of these links and you will be able to read some text from the related book. thanks a lot

ravi/ajayAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/Messages in this topic (2)________

________3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesPosted by: " biprid " biprid bipridSat Jan 17, 2009 11:08 pm ((PST))

Neelamji,For accuracy,it will be better if you can provide location/landmark ina city of the birth place so that correct long. and lat. can beascertained.BipridMessages in this topic (1)________

________4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLSPosted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:10 pm ((PST))

Dear Dhanabalan,1. It can be seen in the achieve who got the best score in the KPBC 1to 10 done in this forum long time ago.2. The main finding of the test is the KPNA being better fit inchoosing Sookshma.

Regards,tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Raichur> Let Mr.Bosmia participate in the quiz and prove that KPNA is giving

correct prediction.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar> Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:17 AM>>>>>>>>>

>>> test conducted by shree Bosmia, revealed that KPNew ayana fives moraccurate results>>>> raichur anant>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 > wrote:

>> Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 >> KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS> @gro ups.com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:50 AM

>>>>>>>>>> dpkn12 >> DEAR LEARN KP ASTROLOGERS,>>>> I BECAME TO KNOW THAT THEAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT KP

AYANAMSA AS> KP AYANAMSA AND NEW KP AYANAMSA.>>> KINDLY CLARIFY WHY IS THAT, IF KP NEW AYANAMSA ISTHE MOST CORRECT> ONE PLS JUSTIFIES IT.>> PERERA J D K N>>

> Dpkn12 >>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>Messages in this topic (7)________

________5.1. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm ((PST))

Dear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>

> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975

>> Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©> Â>     This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any language in whole or paet withot the writtenpermissin of the author

> Â> Price Rs 11-00> Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan> Re: Learning K P System> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to SagarPublications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in

the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Â> DhanabalanÂ>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experienceis not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 > wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. IfI am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine theimmense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

possibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21 >> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>

>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Withoutbeing disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but wherecan I get them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>

>>>>>>> Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Â> Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Â>>  OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> -

> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>

> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>

>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>

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________5.2. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Learning K P System

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PMDear RaichurÂI have the KSKâ?Ts original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in Â

page ii, â?o ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under arrangement with the author. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

publications, New Delhi .â? ÂÂ Â Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers.ÂDhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Learning K P System

Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitpSaturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AMdear punitji and othersj have a copy of kpsk orinial books

the 1st one The page of printin details is missigin Book2 Page 2 the details areÂOct over 1971June 1975ÂALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÂ ©ÂÂ Â Â Â This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into

any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the authorÂPrice Rs 11-00ÂRamesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..comFriday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

Dear Punit PandeyCopy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

violation of copy right?ÂDhanabalanÂ--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AMSunil ji,QUOTEThe Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in

the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.UNQUOTEI have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not

very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

wrote:Dear Raichur ji,I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the

readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.Regards

Sunil--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@ >

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AMDear SharmaThe rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right LawsRegarding getting books on KP please see todays postingraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comMonday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PMDear Swami ji,Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and

every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be

re-written to be readily understood by beginners.I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get them?I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which

is a welcome idea.RegardsSunilswami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.comMonday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PMRe: Learning K P System

ÂÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram KrishnaDear Punit ji,Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best one.However , Students will do well if they read & digest Â

Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.KP readers is a must But not for Starters.ÂApplication of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are

followed.with regards OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u....com

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

- Punit Pandey@gro ups.comCc: gajender.singh@ sky.comMonday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: Learning K P SystemCorrespondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.ÂIn my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any

question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other

senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence course as well as books.You can contact him atKRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

E-mail : kpsari. net.inBest regardsRaakesh K Sharma--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AMÂI would like to learn K P System .Can I learn this on line?Can I buy a course and learn ?ÂIf so from where ? Please let me know.ThanksAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

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Messages in this topic (88)________5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:54 pm ((PST))Thanks for pointing out errorraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sun, 18/1/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Learning K P System

Sunday, 18 January, 2009, 10:15 AMDear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>

> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Ã,Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975

>> Ã,Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÃ, ©> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any languageÃ, in whole or paet withot the written

permissin of the author> Ã,Â> Price Rs 11-00> Ã,Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan> Re: Learning K P System> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to SagarPublications by Mr.KSK. The content of thoseÃ, volumes were copied in

the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Ã,Â> DhanabalanÃ,Â>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experienceis not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 > wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. IfI am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine theimmense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

possibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21 >> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>

>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Withoutbeing disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but wherecan I get them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>

>>>>>>> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read & digestÃ, Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo)Ã, before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Ã,Â> Application of KP rules Ã, is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Ã,Â>> Ã, OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.comÃ, Ã, Ã, http:\\www..kaalvastu..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> -

> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as goodÃ, as buying KP booksÃ, and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that becauseÃ, I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Ã,Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>

> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji LateÃ, KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>

>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Ã,Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Ã,Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pram Chopra Ji,

 

Namaskar,

 

Om Jaya Ganesha,

 

Thankyou for your response for this query, I am new with the HORARY methods

with KP. I can see your thoughts on the analysis, but how do I find the

operation of 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H which are opponents houses?

 

Do I need dasha and transit to activate these possilbilites? both? or will

it activate on Dasha only? I am confused with timming events. please

explain. during march 24, 2009 to june 2009 guru will operate (12H of opponent)

in sub sub dasha (sub minor period) and after Feb. 15 2009 Ravi will

be in 2H of opponent? so money will not come.

 

But, when budahu (mercury) comes in sub dasha june 2009 and Ravi

also in 6H of opponent will the money come then? please illuminate.

 

Thank you,

 

kind regards,

 

Kesara.

 

 

 

3a. Re: HORARY event chart - when will I get my money back? Posted by: "Prem Chopra" pramchopra1964 pramchopra1964 Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:46 am ((PST))~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~Dear K Pandit JiNamsakaramAs per Chart Lagna Lord Moon was Placed in 11H and 11L Venus was placed in7H which is 9th from 11H. 7L Saturn was placed in 2H which is 8th from 7Hand 7th from 8H. Now to club up the consequence opponent have person's moneyfrom 2H to 8H which he invested for long term Creditability as Moon Venushave 9th angle Venus to Saturn is 8th angle which means help gained by theopponent. As 2L Sun was in 5H which is 11th of the opponent. Now whenopponents 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H will operate then person will get able to recoverall his capital Money he invested.ThanksTem Pram ChopraOn Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM, K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91wrote:> Dear esteemed Sirs,>> I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you> kindly> give me what interpretation you can for this event.>> Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43> N 39)> Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?> the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is> asking> when will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if>> any)>> Here are some chart details:> Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' Pushya> Sun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' Jyestha> Moon: Taurus 17 dg 7' Rohini>> Any interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the> square> (90 dg) separating> aspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.>> Thanking you in advance,>> regards,> K. pandittesekera

[Guest guest]

~~~ Om Shree Ghaneshaaye Namaha ~~~~~~ Om Shree Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

Dear Kesara Ji

 

Namaskaram

 

how do I find the operation of 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H which are opponents houses?

 

Your 6H is Oppoonents 12H

 

 

House Degrees Sign SgnLord Star StarLord SubLord

 

 

 

 

Satru IV

 

09¡ë17¡ì16¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

His XIIth

 

 

 

 

 

Labha XI

 

02¡ë07¡ì19¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Jupiter

His Vth

 

 

 

 

 

Vyaya XII

 

09¡ë17¡ì16¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Ardra

 

Rahu

 

Jupiter

His VIth

 

 

 

 

 

Sahaja II

 

23¡ë52¡ì06¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Satur

His VIIIth

 

 

 

 

 

Jupiter

00¡ë35¡ì39¡í Capricorn

Saturn

U.Shadha

Sun

Rahu

 

As per KP Analysis Query: Will He be able to clear off loan? When? (Reader 6: Page: 222)

For Repay Loan Judge 12H cusp whether its SubLord is either Retrograde or deposited in Star Lord is retrograde the process of repaying is very difficult. But Here Jupiter is the SubLord and Sun is star Lord so ketu makes more delay in repaying process. Now come to the 12SubLord Significance If it is Jupiter then By Lawful means all the legitimate amount will be repayed. As Jupiter is also relating 6H so it is also confirmed.

 

Thanks

Tem Pram ChopraPS:

 

 

 

Name

Query of Loan Chart

 

Date

2008-12-11 Thursday

 

Local Time

20:02:00

 

Location

Toronto, Canada

 

Longitude

79:24:59 West

 

Latitude

43:40:00 North

 

Time Zone

UT --5.0 Hours

 

Daylight Saving

0.0 Hours

 

Universal Time

01:02:00

 

Sidereal Time

01:07:53

 

Julian Date

2454812.54306

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

Krishnamurti

 

Ayanamsa Value

23:53:07

 

Western Ayanamsa

None

 

Ayanamsa Value

00:00:00

 

Sunrise

07:47:48

 

Sunset

16:35:15

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

Length

Lord

Nakshatra

KP Lord

Sublord

Bhava

 

Sun

26¡ë29¡ì44¡í Scorpio

Mars

Jyeshta

Mercury

Jupiter

5

 

Moon

17¡ë12¡ì08¡í Taurus

Venus

Rohini

Moon

Saturn

11

 

Mars

24¡ë46¡ì37¡í Scorpio

Mars

Jyeshta

Mercury

Rahu

5

 

Mercury

05¡ë31¡ì43¡í Sagittarius

Jupiter

Moola

Ketu

Mars

5

 

Jupiter

00¡ë35¡ì39¡í Capricorn

Saturn

U.Shadha

Sun

Rahu

6

 

Venus

10¡ë50¡ì01¡í Capricorn

Saturn

Sravana

Moon

Moon

7

 

Saturn

27¡ë31¡ì34¡í Leo

Sun

U.Phalguni

Sun

Moon

3

 

Rahu

R16¡ë33¡ì30¡í Capricorn

Saturn

Sravana

Moon

Saturn

7

 

Ketu

R16¡ë33¡ì30¡í Cancer

Moon

Pushyami

Saturn

Jupiter

1

 

Lagna

10¡ë22¡ì54¡í Cancer

Moon

Pushyami

Saturn

Sun

 

 

Dhana

29¡ë53¡ì09¡í Cancer

Moon

Aslesha

Mercury

Saturn

 

 

Sahaja

23¡ë52¡ì06¡í Leo

Sun

P.Phalguni

Venus

Saturn

 

 

Bandhu

24¡ë45¡ì01¡í Virgo

Mercury

Chitra

Mars

Rahu

 

 

Putra

02¡ë07¡ì19¡í Scorpio

Mars

Visakha

Jupiter

Rahu

 

 

Satru

09¡ë17¡ì16¡í Sagittarius

Jupiter

Moola

Ketu

Jupiter

 

 

Yuvati

10¡ë22¡ì54¡í Capricorn

Saturn

Sravana

Moon

Moon

 

 

Randhra

29¡ë53¡ì09¡í Capricorn

Saturn

Dhanista

Mars

Saturn

 

 

Dharma

23¡ë52¡ì06¡í Aquarius

Saturn

P.Bhadra

Jupiter

Saturn

 

 

Karma

24¡ë45¡ì01¡í Pisces

Jupiter

Revati

Mercury

Rahu

 

 

Labha

02¡ë07¡ì19¡í Taurus

Venus

Krittika

Sun

Jupiter

 

 

Vyaya

09¡ë17¡ì16¡í Gemini

Mercury

Ardra

Rahu

Jupiter

 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM, K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Pram Chopra Ji,

 

Namaskar,

 

Om Jaya Ganesha,

 

Thankyou for your response for this query, I am new with the HORARY methods

with KP. I can see your thoughts on the analysis, but how do I find the

operation of 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H which are opponents houses?

 

Do I need dasha and transit to activate these possilbilites? both? or will

it activate on Dasha only? I am confused with timming events. please

explain. during march 24, 2009 to june 2009 guru will operate (12H of opponent)

in sub sub dasha (sub minor period) and after Feb. 15 2009 Ravi will

be in 2H of opponent? so money will not come.

 

But, when budahu (mercury) comes in sub dasha june 2009 and Ravi

also in 6H of opponent will the money come then? please illuminate.

 

Thank you,

 

kind regards,

 

Kesara.

 

 

 

3a. Re: HORARY event chart - when will I get my money back? Posted by: " Prem Chopra " pramchopra1964 pramchopra1964 Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:46 am ((PST))

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~Dear K Pandit JiNamsakaramAs per Chart Lagna Lord Moon was Placed in 11H and 11L Venus was placed in7H which is 9th from 11H. 7L Saturn was placed in 2H which is 8th from 7H

and 7th from 8H. Now to club up the consequence opponent have person's moneyfrom 2H to 8H which he invested for long term Creditability as Moon Venushave 9th angle Venus to Saturn is 8th angle which means help gained by the

opponent. As 2L Sun was in 5H which is 11th of the opponent. Now whenopponents 12H, 5H, 6H, 8H will operate then person will get able to recoverall his capital Money he invested.ThanksTem Pram Chopra

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM, K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91wrote:> Dear esteemed Sirs,>> I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you

> kindly> give me what interpretation you can for this event.>> Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43> N 39)> Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?

> the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is> asking> when will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if>> any)>> Here are some chart details:

> Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' Pushya> Sun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' Jyestha> Moon: Taurus 17 dg 7' Rohini>> Any interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the> square

> (90 dg) separating> aspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.>> Thanking you in advance,>> regards,> K. pandittesekera

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Good Evening.

It appers, you have mentioned that it was a horary chart. But the Lagna, Cancer 10 degrees and 18 minutes does not fit in to any horary number with in 1 and 249. Was it the lagana at the time of judgment? Even that method is OK. But I want to be clear before I check it.

Shall be thankful for early reply.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath.

23rd Jan. 2009

 

 

 

K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:04:34 PM HORARY event chart - when will I get my money back?

 

Dear esteemed Sirs,I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you kindlygive me what interpretation you can for this event.Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43 N 39)Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is askingwhen will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if any)Here are some chart details:Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' PushyaSun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' JyesthaMoon: Taurus 17 dg 7' RohiniAny interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the square (90 dg) separatingaspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.Thanking you in advance,regards,K. pandittesekera.- <@gro ups.com><@gro ups.com>Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:34 AM Digest Number 2686There are 19 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1a. Re: Q.02tw8531b. Re: Q.02tw8531c. Re: Q.02Ramani1d. Re: Q.02Raichur-a-r1e. Re: Q.02Punit Pandey2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerptsRaichur-a-r3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesbiprid4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLStw8535.1. Re: Learning K P Systemtw8535.2. Re: Learning K P SystemRaichur-a-r5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemRaichur-a-r6. Slight Differences in

Swiss Ephemeris using SWstw8537. A Note on Mean Nodes vs True Nodestw8538.1. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 ResultsPrem Chopra8.2. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Resultsgkadithkasinath9a. Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and coadith kasinath.g.k10a. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02adith kasinath.g.k10b. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02ajoy_matchless@ .co. in11. Fwd: MAHADASHA OF SUB LORD OF 6TH HOUSE ( M IMP MONEY HOUSE)Punit PandeyMessages____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1a. Re: Q.02Posted by: "tw853" tw853 tw853Date:

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm ((PST))Dear Dhanabalan,Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11>tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear TinWin> One correction.> For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KPAstro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:>> tw853 tw853 Re: Q.02> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM>>>>>>> Dear Ramani ji,>> No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.>> Regards,>> tw>> Message #22020 of 22047> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results>> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2008> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may beallowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:53:32,> KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as inuploaded chart)> JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- ---------

--------- --> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2009> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may beallowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:54:22,> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11>>> @gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...>wrote:> >> > ear Moderator,> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clearwhy there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. Thequis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> > In the absence of

uniformity, all the hard labour of the> > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as herichly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is onlyfor the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I maykindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> >> > Thanking you.> > Astrologically yours,> >> > K.S.V.Ramani> >>Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1b. Re: Q.02Posted by: "tw853" tw853 tw853Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:09 pm ((PST))Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This isnothing with

compared to the heated discussions we had before.Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. Thisis the forum to discuss in learning KP.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Ramani Ji,> Thanks for yr understanding.> I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.> All of us are students anyway.> We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but notfor loosing anything.> What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.>> Wish u all the best.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ ...>>

@gro ups.com> Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM> Re: Q.02>>> Dear Sir,> Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not> found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix somenorms for> uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my> carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that Iomitted to see> some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt> you.>> With regards,>> K.S.V.Ramani> - > Sunaparantha Kalyan> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM> Re: Q.02>> Dear Members,>> As the

Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents werewith the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as theMedical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they soughtthe assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In themeantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.>> That was the ending time of "Test our expertise" and soon I decidedto forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions toBTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as itis and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need andit is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able tounderstand that there was not any Chart made or post in

thisconnection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no anyuniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs aredepend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by notforwarding the Chart detail.> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all theKP followers.> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which wasbeyond my control. and happy to see a long and very importantdiscussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in MedicalAstrology.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM> Subject:

Q.02>>> ear Moderator,> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is notclear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and theother. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birthdata are> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr..Lutherji using J.Hora,as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.It is only for the information of the participants to attempt futureQs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.>> Thanking you.> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>Messages in this topic

(19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1c. Re: Q.02Posted by: "Ramani" kadavasalramani@ gmail.com kadavasalramaniSat Jan 17, 2009 11:25 pm ((PST))Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exerciseand coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniformprocedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.With regards,Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani-

Dhanabalan R@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PMRe: Q.02Dear Punit PandeyMy reply is in red colorDear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True

Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late

Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G..Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except

the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this

option.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re:

Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PMDear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to

internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers

are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically

correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children

initially.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AMDear Sri Dhanabalan,Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani- Dhanabalan R@gro ups.comSent:

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AMear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data aretaken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have

crossed any limit of code.Thanking you.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.RamaniMessages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1d. Re: Q.02Posted by: "Raichur-a-r" raichurar raichurarSat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 pm ((PST))This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists that only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will spammed.raichur anant mumbai--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PMDear Sri Dhanabalan,ÂThank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.ÂAstrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.RamaniÂ- Dhanabalan

R@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for

correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.ÂDhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AMear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use.. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour

being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.ÂThanking you.Astrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.RamaniÂGet perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now http://in.promos. / addressMessages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1e. Re: Q.02Posted by: "Punit Pandey" punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com pandeypunitSat Jan 17, 2009 11:40 pm ((PST))Dear Ramani ji,I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this forum andclear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (http://sites. google.com/ a/astrosage. com/logy/ Home). Of course, I cannot do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we willmake that wiki useful.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>> Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,>> I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system> like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,> True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want > authentic> rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting> practical exercise> and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. >

SW> developers also should adopt uniform> procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.>> With regards,>> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>> -> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> *To:* @gro ups.com> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>> Dear Punit Pandey>> My reply is in red color>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your > email.> Please see my response

below.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r. dhanabalan@ +> >> wrote:>> Dear Ramani>>>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is> an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node > is> correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of > the> westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True > Rahu> and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his > class.> With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the > international> level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I> prefer

to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True> Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF > YOU> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE > NAME> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS > WHO> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT > JUST> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.>> I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct> prediction.

Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using > straightline> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR> JUST SPECULATING?>> At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using> Straightline ayanamsa.>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers > have> conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP>

straightline and Lahari.>>>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According > to> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this> option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in >

my> software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.>> Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.>>>> Dhanabalan>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>*

wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Q.02> @gro ups.com> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your > email.> Please see my response below.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r.dhanabalan@ >> > wrote:>>> Dear

Ramani>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It>> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the >> node>> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most >> of>> the westerners are using True Rahu.. One KP expert in Chennai is using >> True>> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his>> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the>> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu >> and>> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. >> Mathematically>> True Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT>> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T

MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF >> YOU>> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE >> NAME>> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING >> CORRECTION>> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS >> WHO>> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT >> JUST>> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have>> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct>> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using >> straightline>> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline>> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam>> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR>> JUST SPECULATING?>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine>> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the>> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers >> have>> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable>> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP>> straightline and Lahari.>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of>> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According >> to>> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN

CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR>> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ >> LAGNA>> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.>> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT>> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE>> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and>> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN>> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the>> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the

charts of persons above 40>> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.>> Dhanabalan>>>>>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ >> gmail.com<kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>>> >* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>>>> Re: Q.02>> @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM>>>> Dear

Sri Dhanabalan,>>>> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder >> why>> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by>> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in >> 2003>> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary>> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also>> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What >> is>> your advice Sir.>>>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>>>>> ->> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>> *To:*

@gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>>>> Dear Ramani>> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris..>> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular>> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. >> Nothing>> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use>> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members >> can>> give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar >> is>> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use

>> bhava>> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for>> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic>> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to>> rectify the birth time.>>>> Dhanabalan>>>> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>>> Q.02>> @gro ups.com>> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM>>>> ear Moderator,>> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many>> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why>> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis>> master also does not

mention from which SW the birth data are>> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.>> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the>> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should>> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly>> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the>> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be>> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.>>>> Thanking you.>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>>>>>>>>>>Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online

excerptsPosted by: "Raichur-a-r" raichurar raichurarSat Jan 17, 2009 11:03 pm ((PST))Dear SirMr Abbas a resident of Pakistan, has put a in "htpp\\astrobook. blogspot. com got printed 14 pages from thisÂThe printout is not seqential. The author gives the contents of Nakshta Chintamani in English, and extracts therefrom The contents are given, but not all details. The only thing I learnt that Nakshatra Cintamani is available in English ? The contents are fiven. The examples do give an idea of what is in Sarvali Nakshatra Chintamani. The examples in this blog are useful. The prinout is 14 pages.raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ > wrote:watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ > Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts@gro ups.comSaturday, 17 January, 2009, 2:30 PMDear members,I have just come across this site which gives some excerpts of a book written by shri chandrakant bhatt called 'nakshatra chintamani' and 'further light on nakshatra chintamni'. here is the site. it looks like someone has written a blog here.. but any way here is the link to the siteNakshatra Chintamani onlineÂonce you are at this link look at the right hand side and you will see

some links likeSaravali Part 1~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 5~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 4~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 3~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 2~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 1~click on any of these links and you will be able to read some text from the related book. thanks a lotravi/ajayAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/Messages in this topic (2)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesPosted by: "biprid" biprid bipridSat Jan 17, 2009 11:08 pm ((PST))Neelamji,For accuracy,it will be better if

you can provide location/landmark ina city of the birth place so that correct long. and lat. can beascertained.BipridMessages in this topic (1)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLSPosted by: "tw853" tw853 tw853Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:10 pm ((PST))Dear Dhanabalan,1. It can be seen in the achieve who got the best score in the KPBC 1to 10 done in this forum long time ago.2. The main finding of the test is the KPNA being better fit inchoosing Sookshma.Regards,tw@gro ups.com,

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Raichur> Let Mr.Bosmia participate in the quiz and prove that KPNA is givingcorrect prediction.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..>> Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS> @gro ups.com> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:17 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> test conducted by shree Bosmia, revealed that KPNew ayana fives moraccurate results>>>> raichur anant>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 > wrote:>> Perera Keerthi

<dpkn12 >> KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS> @gro ups.com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:50 AM>>>>>>>>>> dpkn12 >> DEAR LEARN KP ASTROLOGERS,>>>> I BECAME TO KNOW THAT THEAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT KPAYANAMSA AS> KP AYANAMSA AND NEW KP AYANAMSA.>>> KINDLY CLARIFY WHY IS THAT, IF KP NEW AYANAMSA ISTHE MOST CORRECT> ONE PLS JUSTIFIES IT.>> PERERA J D K N>>> Dpkn12 >>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>Messages in this topic (7)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.1. Re: Learning K P

SystemPosted by: "tw853" tw853 tw853Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm ((PST))Dear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP andaccusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> dear

punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975>> Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©> Â>     This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any language in whole or paet withot the writtenpermissin of the author> Â> Price Rs 11-00> Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro

ups.com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to SagarPublications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied inthe 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Â> DhanabalanÂ>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term

Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experienceis not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. IfI am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and evenif copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let

the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine theimmense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such apossibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21 >> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ..com>> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Withoutbeing disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but wherecan I get them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami

<swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>>>>> Â>         || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find thisappoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.> Â> Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Â>>  OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------->

Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Beingwho has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> - > Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course inmy opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course

from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read NakshatraChintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which haschanged over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offerscorrespondence course as

well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky..com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Â> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger

and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>> Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign upnow! http://in.promos. / address>Messages in this topic (88)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.2. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: "Raichur-a-r" raichurar raichurarSat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comSaturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PMDear RaichurÂI have the KSKâ?Ts original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in  page ii, â?o ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under arrangement with the author. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar publications, New Delhi .â?�  Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes by adding the articles of KP

astrologers.ÂDhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comCc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AMdear punitji and othersj have a copy of kpsk orinial booksthe 1st one The page of printin details is missigin Book2 Page 2 the details areÂOct over

1971June 1975ÂALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©Ã‚    This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the authorÂPrice Rs 11-00ÂRamesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..comFriday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AMDear Punit PandeyCopy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not violation of copy right?ÂDhanabalanÂ--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey

<punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AMSunil ji,QUOTEThe Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.UNQUOTEI have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:Dear Raichur ji,I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal

professional and even if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.RegardsSunil--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@ >Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AMDear SharmaThe rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right LawsRegarding getting books on KP please see todays postingraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:Sunil Sharma

<sunilsharma21@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comMonday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PMDear Swami ji,Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get them?I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which is a welcome idea.RegardsSunilswami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.comMonday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PMRe: Learning K P SystemÂÂ Â

      || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram KrishnaDear Punit ji,Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best one.However , Students will do well if they read & digest  Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.KP readers is a must But not for Starters.ÂApplication of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are followed.with regards OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u....com------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------

--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- Punit Pandey@gro ups.comCc: gajender.singh@ sky.comMonday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PMRe: Learning K P SystemCorrespondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.ÂIn my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has changed over a period

of time. Other senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence course as well as books.You can contact him atKRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.E-mail : kpsari. net.inBest regardsRaakesh K Sharma--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> Learning K P System@gro ups.comDate:

Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AMÂI would like to learn K P System .Can I learn this on line?Can I buy a course and learn ?ÂIf so from where ? Please let me know.ThanksAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/Messages in this topic (88)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: "Raichur-a-r" raichurar raichurarSat Jan 17, 2009 11:54 pm ((PST))Thanks for pointing out errorraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sun, 18/1/09, tw853

<tw853 > wrote:tw853 <tw853 > Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comSunday, 18 January, 2009, 10:15 AMDear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is

nothing to do with learning KP andaccusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Ã,Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975>> Ã,Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÃ, ©> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any languageÃ, in whole or paet withot the writtenpermissin of the author> Ã,Â> Price Rs 11-00> Ã,Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone

25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to SagarPublications by Mr.KSK. The content of thoseÃ, volumes were copied inthe 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Ã,Â> DhanabalanÃ,Â>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Punit Pandey

<punitp> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experienceis not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma

<sunilsharma21 > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. IfI am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and evenif copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine theimmense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such apossibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma"<sunilsharma21 >> Tuesday, January

13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Withoutbeing disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in3rd reader is beyond my

comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but wherecan I get them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>>>>> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find thisappoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read &

digestÃ, Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo)Ã, before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.> Ã,Â> Application of KP rules Ã, is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Ã,Â>> Ã, OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.comÃ, Ã, Ã, http:\\www.. kaalvastu..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Beingwho has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> -

> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as goodÃ, as buying KP booksÃ, and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course inmy opinion. I am saying that becauseÃ, I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Ã,Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read NakshatraChintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which haschanged over a period of time. Other

senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji LateÃ, KSK offerscorrespondence course as well as books..>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@

sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Ã,Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Ã,Â> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>> Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign upnow! http://in.promos. / address>------------ --------- --------- ------

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~~~ Om Shree Ghaneshaaye Namaha ~~~~~~ Om Shree Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

Dear Luther Ji

Namaskaram

You are Very right because it is Horoscope cast for the moment of query made at that very point as observed by K Pundit Ji. Thanks for your kind compliments.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Good Evening.

It appers, you have mentioned that it was a horary chart. But the Lagna, Cancer 10 degrees and 18 minutes does not fit in to any horary number with in 1 and 249. Was it the lagana at the time of judgment? Even that method is OK. But I want to be clear before I check it.

Shall be thankful for early reply.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath.

23rd Jan. 2009

 

 

 

K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:04:34 PM

HORARY event chart - when will I get my money back?

 

 

Dear esteemed Sirs,I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else. Can you kindlygive me what interpretation you can for this event.Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W 23, 43

N 39)Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is askingwhen will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and profit if any)

Here are some chart details:Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' PushyaSun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' JyesthaMoon: Taurus 17 dg 7' RohiniAny interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with the square

(90 dg) separatingaspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.Thanking you in advance,regards,K. pandittesekera.- <@gro ups.com>

<@gro ups.com>Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:34 AM Digest Number 2686There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:1a. Re: Q.02tw8531b. Re: Q.02tw8531c. Re: Q.02Ramani1d. Re: Q.02Raichur-a-r1e. Re: Q.02Punit Pandey2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

Raichur-a-r3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesbiprid4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLStw8535.1. Re: Learning K P Systemtw8535.2. Re: Learning K P System

Raichur-a-r5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemRaichur-a-r6. Slight Differences in Swiss Ephemeris using SWstw8537. A Note on Mean Nodes vs True Nodestw8538.1. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

Prem Chopra8.2. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Resultsgkadithkasinath9a. Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and coadith kasinath.g.k10a. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

adith kasinath.g.k10b. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02ajoy_matchless@ .co. in11. Fwd: MAHADASHA OF SUB LORD OF 6TH HOUSE ( M IMP MONEY HOUSE)

Punit PandeyMessages____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1a. Re: Q.02Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm ((PST))Dear Dhanabalan,Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear TinWin> One correction.

> For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KPAstro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:

>> tw853 tw853 Re: Q.02> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM

>>>>>>> Dear Ramani ji,>> No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.>> Regards,>> tw>> Message #22020 of 22047

> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results>> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2008> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may beallowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:53:32,> KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as inuploaded chart)> JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2009> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

allowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:54:22,> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

>>> @gro ups.com, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani@ ...>wrote:> >> > ear Moderator,> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clearwhy there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. Thequis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the> > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is onlyfor the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I maykindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> >> > Thanking you.

> > Astrologically yours,> >> > K.S.V.Ramani> >>Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1b. Re: Q.02Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:09 pm ((PST))Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This isnothing with compared to the heated discussions we had before.Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. This

is the forum to discuss in learning KP.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Ramani Ji,> Thanks for yr understanding.> I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.> All of us are students anyway.> We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not

for loosing anything.> What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.>> Wish u all the best.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM

> Re: Q.02>>> Dear Sir,> Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not> found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix somenorms for> uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my

> carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that Iomitted to see> some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt> you.>> With regards,>> K.S.V.Ramani

> - > Sunaparantha Kalyan> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM> Re: Q.02

>> Dear Members,>> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents werewith the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they soughtthe assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In themeantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.>> That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions toBTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as itis and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and

it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able tounderstand that there was not any Chart made or post in thisconnection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no anyuniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs aredepend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all theKP followers.> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which wasbeyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important

discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in MedicalAstrology.>> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM> Q.02>>> ear Moderator,> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is notclear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and theother. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birthdata are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW oneshould use. I am absolutely no t against Dr..Lutherji using J.Hora,

as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.It is only for the information of the participants to attempt futureQs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.>> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1c. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Ramani " kadavasalramani@ gmail.com kadavasalramani

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:25 pm ((PST))Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic

rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exerciseand coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniformprocedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

With regards,Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani- Dhanabalan R@gro ups.com

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PMRe: Q.02Dear Punit PandeyMy reply is in red colorDear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline

ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G..Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO,

OR JUST SPECULATING?At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of

nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to me, it is mathematically correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has

this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub

and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PMDear Dhanabalan ji,

Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> wrote:Dear RamaniMean Rahu and True Rahu:In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path

of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

Mathematically True Rahu is correct.TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE

EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU

CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.Ayanamsa:Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are

using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?KP Publishers:KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE

FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.SubSub lord:Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.Quiz charts:First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events

by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.com

Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AMDear Sri Dhanabalan,Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP

Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What is your advice Sir.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.Ramani- Dhanabalan R@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal

positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their

case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct

prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.Dhanabalan

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AMear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora

for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data aretaken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against

Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of

code.Thanking you.Astrologically yours,K.S.V.RamaniMessages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1d. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 pm ((PST))This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists that only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will spammed.raichur anant mumbai

--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PMDear Sri Dhanabalan,

ÂThank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003

closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What

is your advice Sir.ÂAstrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.RamaniÂ- Dhanabalan R@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PMRe: Q.02Dear RamaniJagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can

give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.ÂDhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

ear Moderator,Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis

master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of theparticipants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should

use.. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.ÂThanking you.Astrologically yours,ÂK.S.V.RamaniÂGet perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now http://in.promos. / address

Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _1e. Re: Q.02Posted by: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com pandeypunit

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:40 pm ((PST))Dear Ramani ji,I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this forum andclear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (http://sites. google.com/ a/astrosage. com/logy/ Home). Of course, I can

not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we willmake that wiki useful.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,>> I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system> like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,> True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

> authentic> rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting> practical exercise> and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. > SW> developers also should adopt uniform

> procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.>> With regards,>> Astrologically yours,>> K.S.V.Ramani>> -

> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>> Dear Punit Pandey>> My reply is in red color>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> email.> Please see my response below.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r. dhanabalan@ +> >

> wrote:>> Dear Ramani>>>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is> an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node

> is> correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of > the> westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True > Rahu> and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

> class.> With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the > international> level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I> prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True

> Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF > YOU> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE

> NAME> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS > WHO> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT

> JUST> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.>> I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have

> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using > straightline> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline

> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR> JUST SPECULATING?

>> At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using> Straightline ayanamsa.>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers > have> conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP> straightline and Lahari.>>>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According > to> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this

> option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in > my> software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>> Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.>>>> Dhanabalan>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Q.02> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your > email.> Please see my response below.

>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > wrote:>>> Dear Ramani>> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:>> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It>> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the

>> node>> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most >> of>> the westerners are using True Rahu.. One KP expert in Chennai is using >> True>> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

>> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the>> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu >> and>> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

>> Mathematically>> True Rahu is correct.>> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT>> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF

>> YOU>> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE >> NAME>> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING >> CORRECTION

>> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS >> WHO>> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT >> JUST>> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>> Ayanamsa:>> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have>> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct>> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

>> straightline>> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline>> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam>> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

>> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR>> JUST SPECULATING?>> KP Publishers:>> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine

>> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the>> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers >> have>> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable

>> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP>> straightline and Lahari.>> Bhava begin or bhava middle:>> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of

>> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According >> to>> me, it is mathematically correct.>> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR

>> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ >> LAGNA>> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU.>> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT

>> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE>> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.>> SubSub lord:>> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and

>> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.>> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN>> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>> Quiz charts:>> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the>> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40>> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>> Dhanabalan>>>>>> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ >> gmail.com<kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>> >* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>>

>> Re: Q.02>> @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>

>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM>>>> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,>>>> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder >> why>> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by

>> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in >> 2003>> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary>> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also

>> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What >> is>> your advice Sir.>>>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>

>>>> ->> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >>> *To:* @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>

>> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Q.02>>>> Dear Ramani>> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris..>> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

>> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. >> Nothing>> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use>> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members

>> can>> give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar >> is>> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use >> bhava>> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

>> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic>> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to>> rectify the birth time.>>>> Dhanabalan

>>>> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:>>>> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>> Q.02>> @gro ups.com>> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM>>>> ear Moderator,>> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many

>> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why>> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis>> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

>> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.>> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the>> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should>> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly

>> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the>> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be>> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>>>> Thanking you.>> Astrologically yours,>>>> K.S.V.Ramani>>>>>>>>>>>Messages in this topic (19)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerptsPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:03 pm ((PST))Dear SirMr Abbas a resident of Pakistan, has put a in " htpp\\astrobook. blogspot. com got printed 14 pages from thisÂThe printout is not seqential. The author gives the contents of Nakshta

Chintamani in English, and extracts therefrom The contents are given, but not all details. The only thing I learnt that Nakshatra Cintamani is available in English ? The contents are fiven. The examples do give an idea

of what is in Sarvali Nakshatra Chintamani. The examples in this blog are useful. The prinout is 14 pages.raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ > wrote:

watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ > Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts@gro ups.com

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 2:30 PMDear members,I have just come across this site which gives some excerpts of a book written by shri chandrakant bhatt called 'nakshatra chintamani' and 'further

light on nakshatra chintamni'. here is the site. it looks like someone has written a blog here.. but any way here is the link to the siteNakshatra Chintamani onlineÂonce you are at this link look at the right hand side and you will see some

links likeSaravali Part 1~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 5~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 4~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 3~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 2~~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 1~click on any of these links and you will be

able to read some text from the related book. thanks a lotravi/ajayAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/

Messages in this topic (2)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _3. Birth details of Unmarried ladiesPosted by: " biprid " biprid biprid

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:08 pm ((PST))Neelamji,For accuracy,it will be better if you can provide location/landmark ina city of the birth place so that correct long. and lat. can beascertained.Biprid

Messages in this topic (1)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLSPosted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:10 pm ((PST))Dear Dhanabalan,1. It can be seen in the achieve who got the best score in the KPBC 1to 10 done in this forum long time ago.2. The main finding of the test is the KPNA being better fit in

choosing Sookshma.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>

> Dear Raichur> Let Mr.Bosmia participate in the quiz and prove that KPNA is givingcorrect prediction.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:

>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..>> Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:17 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> test conducted by shree Bosmia, revealed that KPNew ayana fives moraccurate results

>>>> raichur anant>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 > wrote:>> Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 >> KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> @gro ups.com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:50 AM>>>>>>>>>> dpkn12

>> DEAR LEARN KP ASTROLOGERS,>>>> I BECAME TO KNOW THAT THEAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT KPAYANAMSA AS> KP AYANAMSA AND NEW KP AYANAMSA.>>> KINDLY CLARIFY WHY IS THAT, IF KP NEW AYANAMSA IS

THE MOST CORRECT> ONE PLS JUSTIFIES IT.>> PERERA J D K N>>> Dpkn12 >>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

>Messages in this topic (7)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.1. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm ((PST))Dear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:

>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975

>> Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©> Â>     This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any language in whole or paet withot the writtenpermissin of the author

> Â> Price Rs 11-00> Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied inthe 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Â> DhanabalanÂ>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and evenif copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such apossibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21 >

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ..com>> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>

>>>>>>> Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Â> Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Â>>  OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> -

> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>

> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>

>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky..com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>

>>> Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign upnow! http://in.promos. / address>

Messages in this topic (88)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.2. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PMDear RaichurÂI have the KSKâ?Ts original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in Â

page ii, â?o ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under arrangement with the author. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

publications, New Delhi .â?�  Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers.ÂDhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AMdear punitji and othersj have a copy of kpsk orinial books

the 1st one The page of printin details is missigin Book2 Page 2 the details areÂOct over 1971June 1975ÂALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©Ã‚    This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into

any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the authorÂPrice Rs 11-00ÂRamesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..comFriday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

Dear Punit PandeyCopy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

violation of copy right?ÂDhanabalanÂ--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AMSunil ji,QUOTEThe Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in

the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.UNQUOTEI have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not

very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

wrote:Dear Raichur ji,I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the

readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.Regards

Sunil--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@ >

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AMDear SharmaThe rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right LawsRegarding getting books on KP please see todays postingraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comMonday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PMDear Swami ji,Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and

every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be

re-written to be readily understood by beginners.I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get them?I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which

is a welcome idea.RegardsSunilswami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.comMonday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PMRe: Learning K P System

ÂÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram KrishnaDear Punit ji,Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best one.However , Students will do well if they read & digest Â

Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.KP readers is a must But not for Starters.ÂApplication of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are

followed.with regards OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u....com

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

- Punit Pandey@gro ups.comCc: gajender.singh@ sky.comMonday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: Learning K P SystemCorrespondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.ÂIn my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any

question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other

senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence course as well as books.You can contact him atKRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

E-mail : kpsari. net.inBest regardsRaakesh K Sharma--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AMÂI would like to learn K P System .Can I learn this on line?Can I buy a course and learn ?ÂIf so from where ? Please let me know.ThanksAdd more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

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Messages in this topic (88)____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _5.3. Re: Learning K P SystemPosted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:54 pm ((PST))Thanks for pointing out errorraichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sun, 18/1/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Sunday, 18 January, 2009, 10:15 AMDear Shri Raichur,1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (asper date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was publishedexactly as in 1965 original one.4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

accusation without proof is strange.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:

>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are> Ã,Â> Oct over 1971> June 1975

>> Ã,Â> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÃ, ©> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, This book shoud not be reproduced by any means ortranslated into any languageÃ, in whole or paet withot the written

permissin of the author> Ã,Â> Price Rs 11-00> Ã,Â> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of thoseÃ, volumes were copied inthe 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Isit not violation of copy right?> Ã,Â> DhanabalanÃ,Â>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and evenif copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyrightowners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyrightowners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such apossibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21 >

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion thosevolumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courseswhich is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>

>>>>>>> Ã,Â> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best one.> However , Students will do well if they read & digestÃ, Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and Vramamurti( Punarphoo)Ã, before reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Ã,Â> Application of KP rules Ã, is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are followed.> with regards> Ã,Â>> Ã, OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.comÃ, Ã, Ã, http:\\www.. kaalvastu..com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -->>> -

> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as goodÃ, as buying KP booksÃ, and readingthem. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

my opinion. I am saying that becauseÃ, I myself have participated inJyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it toanybody.> Ã,Â> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughlystudied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggestyou to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers mayrecommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing andlittle too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>

> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji LateÃ, KSK offers

correspondence course as well as books..>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>

>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>> Ã,Â> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?Ã,Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>

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Dear Mr.K. pandittesekera,

 

 

Here is my analysis on the Horay chart erected for the time of

Question for that person.

 

Hi gentle man,

 

Moon and Asc: clearly reflects the mind. As Moon is in its own star

and it is lord of 2 in 11. the mind is aiming to get back the money.

The sub is Saturn (lord of 7,8 and 9 in 3). it shows the communication

between the people on the money. As it is Saturn it delays.

The Asc sub is Venus is in 7 and it travels in Moon star who is lord

of 2 in 11. Hence you are taking effort in a calm and polite manner

with the opposite person (in a pleasing manner) will bring the result.

 

The 6 and 11 th Cuspal Sub lord is Jupiter (lord of 6 and 10) in 6.

Jupiter travles in the star of Sun which is in 5 with Lord of 5 Mars.

these are not favorale. The sub lord of Jupiter is Rahu who is in 7,

clearly affects the quality of the opposite person. But Rahu is

traveling in Moon who is lord of 2 in 11. So at the end it is favoring.

 

But the Saturn is ascpecting the Moon in 11, causes the delay and also

the recovery of the full money may not possible. ansd there are

significator of both 5,6,2,11 . Hence there may be some gain to the

opponent in recovery .It means you may lose some money.

 

As Mercury is also involved as sub of Rahu (Rahu is in Moon star)and

Mercury is connecyed to 1,12,5. This will casue gain to the oppoant.

Hence, you will get back his money in parts ,but may be with some loss.

 

The period: running DBA Moon/Saturn/Rahu is also good till 8/3/2009.

the next andra Jupiter between 8/3/2009 to 24/5/2009 is also more

favorable.

 

hence you will get back his money before 24/5/2009 in parts.

 

Thanks and Regards

Adith

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Good Evening.

> It appers, you have mentioned that it was a horary chart. But the

Lagna, Cancer 10 degrees and 18 minutes does not fit in to any horary

number with in 1 and 249. Was it the lagana at the time of judgment?

Even that method is OK. But I want to be clear before I check it.

> Shall be thankful for early reply.

> With due regards.

> Dr. Rath.

> 23rd Jan. 2009

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> K. Pandittesekera <kpandit91

>

> Monday, January 19, 2009 12:04:34 PM

> HORARY event chart - when will I get my money

back?

>

>

> Dear esteemed Sirs,

>

> I am dealing with a question for a HORARY chart for someone else.

Can you

> kindly

> give me what interpretation you can for this event.

>

> Dec. 11, 2008 time: 8:02 pm EST Place: Toronto, Canada (79 W

23, 43

> N 39)

> Query is - WHEN WILL I GET MY MONEY BACK?

> the person making the question has made an investment somewhere and is

> asking

> when will they recieve their money back ? (prinicpal at least and

profit if

> any)

>

> Here are some chart details:

> Lagna: cancer 10 dg. 18' Pushya

> Sun: Scorpio 26 dg 23' Jyestha

> Moon: Taurus 17 dg 7' Rohini

>

> Any interpretation of this event will be welcome, especially with

the square

> (90 dg) separating

> aspect with MARS and SATURN, happening.

>

> Thanking you in advance,

>

> regards,

> K. pandittesekera.

>

> -

> <@gro ups.com>

> <@gro ups.com>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:34 AM

> Digest Number 2686

>

> There are 19 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1a. Re: Q.02

> tw853

> 1b. Re: Q.02

> tw853

> 1c. Re: Q.02

> Ramani

> 1d. Re: Q.02

> Raichur-a-r

> 1e. Re: Q.02

> Punit Pandey

>

> 2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

> Raichur-a-r

>

> 3. Birth details of Unmarried ladies

> biprid

>

> 4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> tw853

>

> 5.1. Re: Learning K P System

> tw853

> 5.2. Re: Learning K P System

> Raichur-a-r

> 5..3. Re: Learning K P System

> Raichur-a-r

>

> 6. Slight Differences in Swiss Ephemeris using SWs

> tw853

>

> 7. A Note on Mean Nodes vs True Nodes

> tw853

>

> 8.1. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

> Prem Chopra

> 8.2. Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

> gkadithkasinath

>

> 9a. Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and co

> adith kasinath.g.k

>

> 10a. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

> adith kasinath.g.k

> 10b. Re: Test our Expertise -No.02

> ajoy_matchless@ .co. in

>

> 11. Fwd: MAHADASHA OF SUB LORD OF 6TH HOUSE ( M IMP MONEY HOUSE)

> Punit Pandey

>

> Messages

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1a. Re: Q.02

> Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Dhanabalan,

>

> Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.

>

> > KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05

> > JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

> >

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TinWin

> > One correction.

> > For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KP

> Astro 3 are same 24..48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > Re: Q.02

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramani ji,

> >

> > No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > Message #22020 of 22047

> > Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

> >

> > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008

> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

> allowed.)

> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > By using KPNA 23:53:32,

> > KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as in

> uploaded chart)

> > JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

> > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2009

> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be

> allowed.)

> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01

> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > By using KPNA 23:54:22,

> > KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05

> > JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ear Moderator,

> > > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

> Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear

> why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The

> quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> > > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> > > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> > > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

> should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

> richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only

> for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may

> kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> > >

> > > Thanking you.

> > > Astrologically yours,

> > >

> > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > >

> >

>

> Messages in this topic (19)

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1b. Re: Q.02

> Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:09 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,

>

> This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This is

> nothing with compared to the heated discussions we had before.

> Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. This

> is the forum to discuss in learning KP.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

> <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramani Ji,

> > Thanks for yr understanding.

> > I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.

> > All of us are students anyway.

> > We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not

> for loosing anything.

> > What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.

> >

> > Wish u all the best.

> >

> > Sunaparantha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM

> > Re: Q.02

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not

> > found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix some

> norms for

> > uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my

> > carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that I

> omitted to see

> > some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt

> > you.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> > -

> > Sunaparantha Kalyan

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM

> > Re: Q.02

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.

> > The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were

> with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

> Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought

> the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the

> meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.

> >

> > That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

> to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.

> > As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to

> BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it

> is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and

> it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.

> > As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to

> understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this

> connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> > However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any

> uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are

> depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.

> > Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

> forwarding the Chart detail.

> > Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the

> KP followers.

> > I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was

> beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important

> discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical

> Astrology.

> >

> > Sunaparantha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM

> > Q.02

> >

> >

> > ear Moderator,

> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

> Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

> clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the

> other.. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

> data are

> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

> should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora,

> as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.

> It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future

> Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> >

> > Thanking you.

> > Astrologically yours,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

>

> Messages in this topic (19)

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1c. Re: Q.02

> Posted by: " Ramani " kadavasalramani@ gmail.com kadavasalramani

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:25 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

>

> I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP

system

> like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

> True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

authentic

> rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting

> practical exercise

> and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my

request. SW

> developers also should adopt uniform

> procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness

unchallenging.

>

> With regards,

>

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

> -

> Dhanabalan R

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

> Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Punit Pandey

>

> My reply is in red color

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> email. Please see my response below.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani

>

> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

>

> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu.

> It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path

of the

> node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu.

> Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is

> using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

> attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional

astrologers

> in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about

Mean

> Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and

KP.

> Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

>

> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

> RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE.

> IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE

EMAIL, BY

> THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER

APPLYING

> CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

> ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU

CALCULATION

> AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>

> I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

>

> Ayanamsa:

>

> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP

> have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

straightline

> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa..

>

> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO,

> OR JUST SPECULATING?

>

> At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are

> using Straightline ayanamsa.

>

> KP Publishers:

>

> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of

> nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by

the

> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have

> conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

> straightline and Lahari.

>

> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

>

> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

> midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4

months back.

> According to me, it is mathematically correct.

>

> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

> THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART

AND USE

> RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER

WORK BEST

> FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF

SOMEBODY THINK

> THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY,

> S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

>

> It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has

> this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not

available

> in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this

option.

>

> SubSub lord:

>

> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub

> and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

>

> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT

> SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

>

> Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

>

> Quiz charts:

>

> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40

> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: Q.02

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

> your email. Please see my response below.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani

>

> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used

> mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the

exact path

> of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use

True

> Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in

Chennai

> is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP

Gopal has

> attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional

astrologers

> in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about

Mean

> Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and

KP.

> Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE

> RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE

RAHU IS

> ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED

IN THE

> EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION

AFTER

> APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

THERE ARE

> MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU

> CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

>

> Ayanamsa:

> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr..Mohan, C.G.Nair and other

> stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that

they

> could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP

astrologers are

> using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I

prefer to

> use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched

over to

> Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

> SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

>

> KP Publishers:

> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in

> spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been

corrected

> by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

> publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said

there is

> no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline

cases for

> KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

>

> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts

> at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4

months

> back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE

> FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA

CHART AND

> USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER

WORK

> BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF

SOMEBODY

> THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

> THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> SubSub lord:

> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by

> using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION.

> WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB

SUB AS

> WELL.

> Quiz charts:

> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events

> by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of

persons above

> 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>

> Re: Q.02

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

>

> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

>

> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same

> time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line

ayanamsa,

> True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for

all. KP

> Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There

was no

> further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform

KPNA, which

> the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

> results. What is your advice Sir.

>

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

> -

> Dhanabalan R

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

> Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Ramani

> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are

> using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal

> positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa

is used.

> Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can

> compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for

their

> case studies. But members can give justification for using different

> parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and

gave

> correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct

> prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction.

Some may

> use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction.

L.Y.Rao

> is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

> gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> Q.02

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora

> for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some

other

> SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem

one SW

> and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW

the birth

> data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with

> Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard

> labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may

> kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against

> Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a

person

> from medical field. It is only for the information of the

participants to

> attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any

limit of

> code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

> Messages in this topic (19)

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1d. Re: Q.02

> Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 pm ((PST))

>

> This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists

that

> only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will

> spammed.

>

> raichur anant mumbai

>

> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> Re: Q.02

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PM

>

> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

> Â

> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I

wonder why

> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu

etc. by

> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers

in 2003

> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further

contrary

> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs

also

> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What

> is your advice Sir.

> Â

> Astrologically yours,

> Â

> K.S.V.Ramani

> Â

>

> -

> Dhanabalan R

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

> Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Ramani

> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss

ephemeris. So

> they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular

> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used.

Nothing

> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use

> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But

members can

> give justification for using different parameters. For example,

Mr.Sagar is

> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may

use bhava

> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for

> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic

> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to

> rectify the birth time.

> Â

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> Q.02

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many

> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear

why

> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The

quis

> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

>  taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should

> use.. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

richly

> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only

for the

> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> Â

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

> Â

> K.S.V.RamaniÂ

>

> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now

> http://in.promos. / address

> Messages in this topic (19)

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1e. Re: Q.02

> Posted by: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com pandeypunit

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:40 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Ramani ji,

>

> I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this

forum and

> clear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (

> http://sites. google.com/ a/astrosage. com/logy/ Home). Of

course, I can

> not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we

will

> make that wiki useful.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> 2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

>

> > Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP

system

> > like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

> > True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

> > authentic

> > rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting

> > practical exercise

> > and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my

request.

> > SW

> > developers also should adopt uniform

> > procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness

unchallenging.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Astrologically yours,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

> > -

> > ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> >

> > My reply is in red color

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> > email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > <r. dhanabalan@ +> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramani

> >

> >

> >

> > Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >

> > In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It is

> > an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of

the node

> > is

> > correctly calculated.. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of

> > the

> > westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using

True

> > Rahu

> > and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his

> > class.

> > With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

> > international

> > level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True

Rahu, I

> > prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True

> > Rahu is correct.

> >

> > TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT

> > DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF

> > YOU

> > HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY

THE

> > NAME

> > 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION

> > LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS

> > WHO

> > DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT

> > JUST

> > BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >

> > I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

> >

> > Ayanamsa:

> >

> > Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> > used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> > prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

> > straightline

> > ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> > ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> > from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >

> > 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING

SO, OR

> > JUST SPECULATING?

> >

> > At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are

using

> > Straightline ayanamsa.

> >

> > KP Publishers:

> >

> > KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> > editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the

> > publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers

> > have

> > conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> > difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

> > straightline and Lahari.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >

> > I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> > two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According

> > to

> > me, it is mathematically correct.

> >

> > IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> > NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA

> > CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR

YOU.

> > THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> > SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> > WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >

> > It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora

has this

> > option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not

available in

> > my

> > software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

> >

> > SubSub lord:

> >

> > Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> > subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >

> > AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> > MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >

> > Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.

> >

> > Quiz charts:

> >

> > First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> > astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> > years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Re: Q.02

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your

> > email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It

> >> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of

the

> >> node

> >> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu. Most

> >> of

> >> the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is

using

> >> True

> >> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his

> >> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

> >> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about

Mean Rahu

> >> and

> >> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

> >> Mathematically

> >> True Rahu is correct.

> >> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT

> >> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF

> >> YOU

> >> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL,

BY THE

> >> NAME

> >> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

> >> CORRECTION

> >> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS

> >> WHO

> >> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT

> >> JUST

> >> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >> Ayanamsa:

> >> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> >> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> >> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

> >> straightline

> >> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> >> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> >> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR

> >> JUST SPECULATING?

> >> KP Publishers:

> >> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> >> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the

> >> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers

> >> have

> >> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> >> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP

> >> straightline and Lahari.

> >> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> >> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According

> >> to

> >> me, it is mathematically correct.

> >> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> >> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/

> >> LAGNA

> >> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU.

> >> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> >> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> >> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >> SubSub lord:

> >> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> >> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> >> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >> Quiz charts:

> >> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> >> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> >> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >>

> >> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

> >> gmail.com<kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani@

gmail.com>>

> >> Re: Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>

> >> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

> >>

> >> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I

wonder

> >> why

> >> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu

etc. by

> >> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in

> >> 2003

> >> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further

contrary

> >> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the

SWs also

> >> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What

> >> is

> >> your advice Sir.

> >>

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> >> *To:* @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>

> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >>

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss

ephemeris..

> >> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a

particular

> >> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used.

> >> Nothing

> >> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use

> >> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But

members

> >> can

> >> give justification for using different parameters. For example,

Mr.Sagar

> >> is

> >> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may

use

> >> bhava

> >> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True

rahu for

> >> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of

vedic

> >> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular

method to

> >> rectify the birth time.

> >>

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> >> Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

> >>

> >> ear Moderator,

> >> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many

> >> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why

> >> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other.

The quis

> >> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> >> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> >> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> >> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should

> >> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he

richly

> >> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only

for the

> >> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be

> >> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> >>

> >> Thanking you.

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

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> 2a. Re: Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

> Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:03 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Sir

> Mr Abbas a resident of Pakistan, has put a in " htpp\\astrobook.

blogspot. com

> Â got printed 14 pages from this

> Â

> The printout is not seqential.. The author gives the contents of

Nakshta

> Chintamani in English, and extracts therefrom The contents are

given, but

> not all details. The only thing I learnt that Nakshatra Cintamani is

> available in English ? The contents are fiven. The examples do give

an idea

> of what is in Sarvali Nakshatra Chintamani. The examples in this

blog are

> useful. The prinout is 14 pages.

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ > wrote:

>

> watchthisfree <watchthisfree@ >

> Nakshatra Chintamani online excerpts

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 2:30 PM

>

> Dear members,

>

> I have just come across this site which gives some excerpts of a book

> written by shri chandrakant bhatt called 'nakshatra chintamani' and

'further

> light on nakshatra chintamni'. here is the site. it looks like

someone has

> written a blog here. but any way here is the link to the site

>

> Nakshatra Chintamani onlineÂ

>

> once you are at this link look at the right hand side and you will

see some

> links like

>

> Saravali Part 1

> ~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 5~

> ~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 4~

> ~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 3~

> ~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 2~

> ~Nakshatra Chintamani~ Part 1~click on any of these links and you

will be

> able to read some text from the related book. thanks a lot

>

> ravi/ajay

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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> 3. Birth details of Unmarried ladies

> Posted by: " biprid " biprid biprid

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:08 pm ((PST))

>

> Neelamji,

> For accuracy,it will be better if you can provide location/landmark in

> a city of the birth place so that correct long. and lat. can be

> ascertained.

> Biprid

>

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> 4a. Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:10 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Dhanabalan,

>

> 1. It can be seen in the achieve who got the best score in the KPBC 1

> to 10 done in this forum long time ago.

>

> 2. The main finding of the test is the KPNA being better fit in

> choosing Sookshma.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raichur

> > Let Mr.Bosmia participate in the quiz and prove that KPNA is giving

> correct prediction.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..>

> > Re: KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:17 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > test conducted by shree Bosmia, revealed that KPNew ayana fives mor

> accurate results

> >

> >

> >

> > raichur anant

> >

> > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 > wrote:

> >

> > Perera Keerthi <dpkn12 >

> > KP AYANAMSA KINDLY CLARIFY PLS

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:50 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dpkn12

> >

> > DEAR LEARN KP ASTROLOGERS,

> >

> >

> >

> > I BECAME TO KNOW THAT THEAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT KP

> AYANAMSA AS

> > KP AYANAMSA AND NEW KP AYANAMSA..

> >

> >

> > KINDLY CLARIFY WHY IS THAT, IF KP NEW AYANAMSA IS

> THE MOST CORRECT

> > ONE PLS JUSTIFIES IT.

> >

> > PERERA J D K N

> >

> >

>

> > Dpkn12

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

> >

>

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> 5.1. Re: Learning K P System

> Posted by: " tw853 " tw853 tw853

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm ((PST))

>

> Dear Shri Raichur,

>

> 1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (as

> per date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.

>

> 2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

> was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.

>

> 3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was published

> exactly as in 1965 original one.

>

> 4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

> accusation without proof is strange.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > dear punitji and others

> > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> > the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> > in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> > Â

> > Oct over 1971

> > June 1975

> >

> > Â

> > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÂ ©

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or

> translated into any language in whole or paet withot the written

> permissin of the author

> > Â

> > Price Rs 11-00

> > Â

> > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

> >

> >

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in

> the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is

> it not violation of copy right?

> > Â

> > DhanabalanÂ

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunil ji,

> >

> > QUOTE

> > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

> terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

> 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

> or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> > I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

> is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Raichur ji,

> > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

> I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

> if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright

> owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright

> owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

> immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

> possibility.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@

> >

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sharma

> > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right

Laws

> >

> > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swami ji,

> > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

> 1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

> being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

> 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those

> volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

> can I get them?

> > I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses

> which is a welcome idea.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> >

> >

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Hare Ram Krishna

> > Dear Punit ji,

> > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

> appoach best one.

> > However , Students will do well if they read & digest

> Â Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V

> ramamurti( Punarphoo)Â before reading KP Readers.

> > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> > Â

> > Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your

> suggestions are followed.

> > with regards

> > Â

> >

> > Â OM TATSAT

> > RCSrivastava

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> > http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u..com

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

> who has

> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --

> >

> >

> > -

> > Punit Pandey

> > @gro ups.com

> > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading

> them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

> my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in

> Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to

> anybody.

> > Â

> > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

> Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant

> Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

> studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest

> you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

> changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may

> recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and

> little too detailed for the beginner.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

> correspondence course as well as books.

> >

> > You can contact him at

> >

> >

> > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

> ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in

> >

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Raakesh K Sharma

> >

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

> >

> > Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Â

> > I would like to learn K P System .

> > Can I learn this on line?

> > Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

> > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname@ Sign up

> now! http://in.promos. / address

> >

>

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> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 5.2. Re: Learning K P System

> Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:38 pm ((PST))

>

> so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

>

> Dear Raichur

> Â

> I have the KSKâ?Ts original volumes of 1965 edition, published by

Sagar. I

> am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume,

in Â

> page ii, â?o ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by

any

> means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher.

Published

> under arrangement with the author. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

> publications, New Delhi .â?�

> Â

> Â Â Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six

> volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers..

> Â

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

>

> dear punitji and others

> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> Â

> Oct over 1971

> June 1975

>

> Â

> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÂ ©

> Â

> Â Â Â Â This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated

into

> any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the

author

> Â

> Price Rs 11-00

> Â

> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups..com

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>

> Dear Punit Pandey

> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in

the 6

> KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

> violation of copy right?

> Â

> DhanabalanÂ

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>

> Sunil ji,

>

> QUOTE

> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

terms in

> the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976,

copyright

> would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for

a work

> of corporate authorship.

> UNQUOTE

>

> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

is not

> very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Raichur ji,

> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

I am not

> wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if

copyright

> laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners,

amend the

> readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a

> workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP

> Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@

>

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>

> Dear Sharma

> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>

> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>

> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

>

> Dear Swami ji,

> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

1992 and

> every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being

> disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd

reader

> is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes

should be

> re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get

> them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses

which

> is a welcome idea.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear Punit ji,

> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best

> one.

> However , Students will do well if they read & digest Â

> Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V

ramamurti(

> Punarphoo)Â before reading KP Readers.

> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> Â

> Application of KP rules  is likly to be accurate if your

suggestions are

> followed.

> with regards

> Â

>

> Â OM TATSAT

> RCSrivastava

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com   http:\\www.kaalvast u....com

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --

>

> -

> Punit Pandey

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them.

> There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my

opinion. I

> am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

> course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

> Â

> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and

> Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and

asking any

> question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the

books by

> Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six

readers.

> This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of

time. Other

> senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are

> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

>

> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

correspondence

> course as well as books.

>

> You can contact him at

>

> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA

> SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> E-mail : kpsari net.in

>

> Best regards

>

> Raakesh K Sharma

>

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> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

>

> Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

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> I would like to learn K P System .

> Can I learn this on line?

> Can I buy a course and learn ?Â

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

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> 5.3. Re: Learning K P System

> Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar

> Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:54 pm ((PST))

>

> Thanks for pointing out error

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Sun, 18/1/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853 >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, 18 January, 2009, 10:15 AM

>

> Dear Shri Raichur,

>

> 1. Yours seems later edition. Mine is the one published in 1965 (as

> per date of preface letter) by Sagar Publications.

>

> 2. The price for both 2 vol in 1965 was Rs 25 and for 2nd vol in 1971

> was Rs 11. 1st vol has 544 pages and 2nd vol 432.

>

> 3. It appears copyright was changed and so KP Reader II was published

> exactly as in 1965 original one.

>

> 4. Talking about copyright is nothing to do with learning KP and

> accusation without proof is strange.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > dear punitji and others

> > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> > the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> > in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> > Ã,Â

> > Oct over 1971

> > June 1975

> >

> > Ã,Â

> > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOURÃ, ©

> > Ã,Â

> > Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or

> translated into any languageÃ, in whole or paet withot the written

> permissin of the author

> > Ã,Â

> > Price Rs 11-00

> > Ã,Â

> > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

> >

> >

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of thoseÃ, volumes were copied in

> the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is

> it not violation of copy right?

> > Ã,Â

> > DhanabalanÃ,Â

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunil ji,

> >

> > QUOTE

> > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

> terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of

> 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years,

> or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> > I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience

> is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Raichur ji,

> > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If

> I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even

> if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright

> owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright

> owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the

> immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a

> possibility.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma "

> <sunilsharma21@

> >

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sharma

> > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right

Laws

> >

> > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swami ji,

> > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

> 1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without

> being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

> 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those

> volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

> can I get them?

> > I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses

> which is a welcome idea.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> >

> >

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ã,Â

> > Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Hare Ram Krishna

> > Dear Punit ji,

> > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

> appoach best one.

> > However , Students will do well if they read & digest

> Ã, Astrosecrets, Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V

> ramamurti( Punarphoo)Ã, before reading KP Readers.

> > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> > Ã,Â

> > Application of KP rules Ã, is likly to be accurate if your

> suggestions are followed.

> > with regards

> > Ã,Â

> >

> > Ã, OM TATSAT

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> > Punit Pandey

> > @gro ups.com

> > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Correspondence course is as goodÃ, as buying KP booksÃ, and reading

> them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in

> my opinion. I am saying that becauseÃ, I myself have participated in

> Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to

> anybody.

> > Ã,Â

> > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

> Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant

> Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

> studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest

> you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has

> changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may

> recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and

> little too detailed for the beginner.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji LateÃ, KSK offers

> correspondence course as well as books.

> >

> > You can contact him at

> >

> >

> > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

> ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in

> >

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Raakesh K Sharma

> >

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

> >

> > Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ã,Â

> > I would like to learn K P System .

> > Can I learn this on line?

> > Can I buy a course and learn ?Ã,Â

> > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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