details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

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Dear Swamiji,

Pranaams,

Thank you for the details...let us see the Rectified Horoscope and the Dasa-Bhukti-Antaras/Sookshmas... and verify...

I'll get back to you...and I cannot agree with you that no two astrologers agree on the application of K.P.,rules...however I'll match the events with the D/B/A/S and inform you...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

swami <swami Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 7:11:39 PMRe: Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

 

1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005 after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv Sena.

2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.

3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north Indian states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.

4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]

5. He was granted bail on the same day.

6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks against Biharis.[10]

7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11] compared Thackeray's actions to

terrorism.

8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting, which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later that day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned to a two-week judicial custody.[19]

9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway exam riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as was evident from a video footage, made available later.

All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.

10. He is married. What date?.

Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time. although He also has not covered events as described in above list.

No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.

A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

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sandeep patel

@gro ups.com

Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM

Re: details of Raj Thakare

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder, what were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray’s birth time needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?

Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the events of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.

If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request them to put it before the group so that other members can learn why the birth time needed to be rectified.

Regards,

Sandeep

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Nanaste,

 

From 19th nov to 13th jan 2009, jup/mars/venus period will be in

operation. I feel he will be arrested and released again. The reason

is venus is the lo 7-12, in the star of mars and sub of sat. there

is no other plant in the star of venus. Hence, venus has to give

results of 7 & 12 strongly. Further, sat in 5 lo 3-4 (sub of venus)n

is in the star of mercury in 7 lo 8-12. There is no planet in sat

star. hence sat will give strongly give results of 5 (12th to 6th).

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Thanks............Sundar

 

 

, " swami " <swami wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December

2005 after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining

the Shiv Sena.

> 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.

> 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's

controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north

Indian states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.

> 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was

arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various

sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]

> 5. He was granted bail on the same day.

> 6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a

Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks

against Biharis.[10]

> 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]

compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.

> 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of

rioting, which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.

[18] Later that day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case

and was assigned to a two-week judicial custody.[19]

> 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against

Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway

exam riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an

accident as was evident from a video footage, made available later.

> All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.

> 10. He is married. What date?.

> Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth

time. although He also has not covered events as described in

above list.

> No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of

rules.

> A comprative study between two birth time will help many

students to reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.

>

> OM TATSAT

>

> -----------------------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> -

-

>

> -

> sandeep patel

>

> Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM

> Re: details of Raj Thakare

>

>

> Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I

wonder, what were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s

birth time needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?

>

> Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the

Dasas with the events of his life and found that the DBAS do not

tally with the events of his life and therefore the birth time needs

to be rectified.

>

> If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis,

I request them to put it before the group so that other members can

learn why the birth time needed to be rectified.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sandeep

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

1. I've done my part in GENERALl and this part is an opportunity for

plenty of BTR Friends including Swami ji to show us how their different

BTR methods can give DIFFERENT TOBs and which one is the best FIT to

the given events but NOTt implying to be the TRUE TOB which is not known

by any body.

 

2. " I shall give some of the (BTR) methods which are available. How far

you can rely on them, is left entirely to you, to the readers and to the

research scholars " (KP Reader III, page 494 (New Editon), page 317 (Old

Edition) because they are not supported by research on the sufficient

numbers of practical charts.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " swami " <swami wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005

after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv

Sena.

> 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.

> 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's

controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north Indian

states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.

> 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was

arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various

sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]

> 5. He was granted bail on the same day.

> 6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a

Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks against

Biharis.[10]

> 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]

compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.

> 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting,

which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later that

day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned to

a two-week judicial custody.[19]

> 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against

Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway exam

riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as was

evident from a video footage, made available later.

> All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.

> 10. He is married. What date?.

> Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time.

although He also has not covered events as described in above list.

> No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.

> A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to

reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.

>

> OM TATSAT

>

> -----------------------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who

has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> --

>

> -

> sandeep patel

>

> Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM

> Re: details of Raj Thakare

>

>

> Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder, what

were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s birth time

needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?

>

> Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the

events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the events

of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.

>

> If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request

them to put it before the group so that other members can learn why the

birth time needed to be rectified.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sandeep

>

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Rao sir,

I am happy to read your statement about disagreement "and I cannot agree with you that no two astrologers agree on the application of K.P.,rules"

I wish I could prove wrong.

That will be a real triumph for prof KSK.

Awaiting that light to descend in life of every follower of KP/Sub theory.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:55 PM

Re: Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamiji,

Pranaams,

Thank you for the details...let us see the Rectified Horoscope and the Dasa-Bhukti-Antaras/Sookshmas... and verify...

I'll get back to you...and I cannot agree with you that no two astrologers agree on the application of K.P.,rules...however I'll match the events with the D/B/A/S and inform you...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 7:11:39 PMRe: Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

 

1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005 after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv Sena.

2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.

3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north Indian states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.

4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]

5. He was granted bail on the same day.

6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks against Biharis.[10]

7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11] compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.

8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting, which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later that day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned to a two-week judicial custody.[19]

9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway exam riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as was evident from a video footage, made available later.

All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.

10. He is married. What date?.

Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time. although He also has not covered events as described in above list.

No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.

A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

-

sandeep patel

@gro ups.com

Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM

Re: details of Raj Thakare

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder, what were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray’s birth time needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?

Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the events of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.

If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request them to put it before the group so that other members can learn why the birth time needed to be rectified.

Regards,

Sandeep

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear friends,

Because of demand of accurately calculated horoscope in KP,especially in Natal analysis; Search for Acceptable birth time is important.

In Vedic accurate BT upto one to one and half minutes is sufficient unless one has to study about matters related to higher consciousness.In Vedic subsidiary methods are also available like Prasna,Varsh phala etc.

Rules in astrology are not universal and have exceptions ,modifier ,riders and many times rules as known are inapplicable.

But in KP belief is Rules are dependable and limited in number.

This naturally calls for deeper scrutiny.

My understanding is heading me to conclude that every native has a astrological Birth Time that answers most his stay and events about his sojourn on this planet , Whatever the system could be Vedic or KP or western.

May god bless every astrologer to find that astrological accurate Time of Birth ,irrespective what we define time of is.

with best wishes

OM TAT SAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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tw853

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM

Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

 

 

Dear Friends,1. I've done my part in GENERALl and this part is an opportunity forplenty of BTR Friends including Swami ji to show us how their differentBTR methods can give DIFFERENT TOBs and which one is the best FIT tothe given events but NOTt implying to be the TRUE TOB which is not knownby any body.2. "I shall give some of the (BTR) methods which are available. How faryou can rely on them, is left entirely to you, to the readers and to theresearch scholars" (KP Reader III, page 494 (New Editon), page 317 (OldEdition) because they are not supported by research on the sufficientnumbers of practical charts.Thanks and regards,tw , "swami" <swami wrote:>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the ShivSena.> 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.> 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray'scontroversial remarks about the migrant population from the north Indianstates of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.> 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, wasarrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under varioussections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]> 5. He was granted bail on the same day.> 6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by aBihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks againstBiharis.[10]> 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.> 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting,which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later thatday he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned toa two-week judicial custody.[19]> 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge againstThackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway examriots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as wasevident from a video footage, made available later.> All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.> 10. He is married. What date?.> Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time.although He also has not covered events as described in above list.> No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.> A comprative study between two birth time will help many students toreach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.>> OM TATSAT>> -----------------------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being whohas> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> ------------------------->> -> sandeep patel> > Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM> Re: details of Raj Thakare>>> Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder, whatwere the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s birth timeneeds rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?>> Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with theevents of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the eventsof his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.>> If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I requestthem to put it before the group so that other members can learn why thebirth time needed to be rectified.>> Regards,>> Sandeep>

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To wit, if a planet, say Saturn is in Aries 19-59 as per Lahiri

Ayanamsha, another Ayanamsha even with a small difference of minus 2' of

arc can place Saturn somewhat ahead and give it Libra navamsha instead

of Virgo navamsha due to Lahiri. Saturn even in Aries Rashi with Libra

navamsha protects one from heart ailments, gives him longevity and helps

him progress in his calling. The same Saturn with Aries sign position

but in Virgo navamsha makes him wholly unreliable and makes him a victim

of some sort of diseases of hands and legs. This difference could be

easily located by an experienced astrologer. Same is the case with other

divisions including navamsha.

--Sri R. Santhanam in his book Deva Keralam

 

According to almost all ephemeris, Saturn had gone into retrogression

and entered Dhanus (Sagittarius) and again reentered Makara (Capricorn)

on 15 December 1990. But according to Vakya Panchanga (ephemeris)

followed by Nadi astrologers in South India, Saturn entered Makara on 10

February 1991, that is, a difference of 55 days. Then what is the fate

of the children born between 15 Dec 1990 to 10 Feb 1991, whether Saturn

is to be placed in Dhanus or Makara. According to Vakya Panchanga, such

a situation is common for Saturn whenever it retrogrades or entering the

signs, there will be a difference of nearly 90 days, and for Jupiter 15

days and for fast moving planets Budha (Mercury), Sukra (Venus) for 1 to

3 days will be there. How to reconcile this position is for scholars in

the science to decide. All Nadi literature was based on Vakya Panchanga

and the predictions arrived on such calculations are 80% coming true. In

view of the different Graha Gathis (planetary movements) even the

horoscope charts prepared through computers are of no use.

--June 1991 Grahavani journal of Hyderabad

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , " swami " <swami wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear friends,

> Because of demand of accurately calculated horoscope in KP,especially

in Natal analysis; Search for Acceptable birth time is important.

> In Vedic accurate BT upto one to one and half minutes is sufficient

unless one has to study about matters related to higher consciousness.In

Vedic subsidiary methods are also available like Prasna,Varsh phala etc.

> Rules in astrology are not universal and have exceptions ,modifier

,riders and many times rules as known are inapplicable.

> But in KP belief is Rules are dependable and limited in number.

> This naturally calls for deeper scrutiny.

> My understanding is heading me to conclude that every native has a

astrological Birth Time that answers most his stay and events about his

sojourn on this planet , Whatever the system could be Vedic or KP or

western.

> May god bless every astrologer to find that astrological accurate Time

of Birth ,irrespective what we define time of is.

> with best wishes

>

> OM TAT SAT

> ------------------------

> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer

> Teaching & Consultations

> http:\\www.kaalvastu.com]

> -----------------------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who

has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> --

>

> -

> tw853

>

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM

> Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> 1. I've done my part in GENERALl and this part is an opportunity for

> plenty of BTR Friends including Swami ji to show us how their

different

> BTR methods can give DIFFERENT TOBs and which one is the best FIT to

> the given events but NOTt implying to be the TRUE TOB which is not

known

> by any body.

>

> 2. " I shall give some of the (BTR) methods which are available. How

far

> you can rely on them, is left entirely to you, to the readers and to

the

> research scholars " (KP Reader III, page 494 (New Editon), page 317

(Old

> Edition) because they are not supported by research on the sufficient

> numbers of practical charts.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " swami " swami@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Hare Ram Krishna

> > 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005

> after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv

> Sena.

> > 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.

> > 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's

> controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north

Indian

> states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.

> > 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was

> arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various

> sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]

> > 5. He was granted bail on the same day.

> > 6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a

> Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks

against

> Biharis.[10]

> > 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]

> compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.

> > 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting,

> which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later

that

> day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned

to

> a two-week judicial custody.[19]

> > 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against

> Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway

exam

> riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as

was

> evident from a video footage, made available later.

> > All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.

> > 10. He is married. What date?.

> > Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time.

> although He also has not covered events as described in above list.

> > No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.

> > A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to

> reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.

> >

> > OM TATSAT

> >

> > -----------------------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who

> has

> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > -------------------------

> >

> > -

> > sandeep patel

> >

> > Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM

> > Re: details of Raj Thakare

> >

> >

> > Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder,

what

> were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s birth time

> needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?

> >

> > Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the

> events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the

events

> of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.

> >

> > If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request

> them to put it before the group so that other members can learn why

the

> birth time needed to be rectified.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sandeep

> >

>

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Respected Sir,

Most humbly I would like to submit the following few lines regarding entry of Saturn in to Capricorn.

Saturn was in retrogression till 22nd September 1990 according to Jagannath Hora. On that date Sun transited at Virgo 5-36 and Saturn at Sagittarius 25-04 degrees. They were at a distance of 109-28 degrees. According to verification in ephemeris Saturn cannot go closer to Sun than this distance (110 degrees if rounded up) ever during retrogression. So on 23rd September it had to change its course and become direct. And in fact it did so. On 14th December noon (GMT) it reached at 0-04 Capricorn and covered 5 degrees in 82 days. The transit of Saturn was at an average rate of 3 minutes 40 seconds per day. The rate of transit appears to be appropriate although it was on slower side since it was picking up from (0) on 22nd September.

Therefore in my opinion entry on 14/15 December 1990 is quite authentic and reliable. If one agrees to this justification there won’t be any problem putting Saturn in Capricorn during the period in concern.

I request you to please spare few minutes to give your opinion.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther Rath.

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:08:56 PM Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct

 

To wit, if a planet, say Saturn is in Aries 19-59 as per LahiriAyanamsha, another Ayanamsha even with a small difference of minus 2' ofarc can place Saturn somewhat ahead and give it Libra navamsha insteadof Virgo navamsha due to Lahiri. Saturn even in Aries Rashi with Libranavamsha protects one from heart ailments, gives him longevity and helpshim progress in his calling. The same Saturn with Aries sign positionbut in Virgo navamsha makes him wholly unreliable and makes him a victimof some sort of diseases of hands and legs. This difference could beeasily located by an experienced astrologer. Same is the case with otherdivisions including navamsha.--Sri R. Santhanam in his book Deva KeralamAccording to almost all ephemeris, Saturn had gone into retrogressionand entered Dhanus (Sagittarius) and again reentered Makara (Capricorn)on 15 December 1990. But according to Vakya Panchanga

(ephemeris)followed by Nadi astrologers in South India, Saturn entered Makara on 10February 1991, that is, a difference of 55 days. Then what is the fateof the children born between 15 Dec 1990 to 10 Feb 1991, whether Saturnis to be placed in Dhanus or Makara. According to Vakya Panchanga, sucha situation is common for Saturn whenever it retrogrades or entering thesigns, there will be a difference of nearly 90 days, and for Jupiter 15days and for fast moving planets Budha (Mercury), Sukra (Venus) for 1 to3 days will be there. How to reconcile this position is for scholars inthe science to decide. All Nadi literature was based on Vakya Panchangaand the predictions arrived on such calculations are 80% coming true. Inview of the different Graha Gathis (planetary movements) even thehoroscope charts prepared through computers are of no use.--June 1991 Grahavani journal of Hyderabad-- In @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear friends,> Because of demand of accurately calculated horoscope in KP,especiallyin Natal analysis; Search for Acceptable birth time is important.> In Vedic accurate BT upto one to one and half minutes is sufficientunless one has to study about matters related to higher consciousness. InVedic subsidiary methods are also available like Prasna,Varsh phala etc.> Rules in astrology are not universal and have exceptions ,modifier,riders and many times rules as known are inapplicable.> But in KP belief is Rules are dependable and limited in number.> This naturally calls for deeper scrutiny.> My understanding is heading me to conclude that

every native has aastrological Birth Time that answers most his stay and events about hissojourn on this planet , Whatever the system could be Vedic or KP orwestern.> May god bless every astrologer to find that astrological accurate Timeof Birth ,irrespective what we define time of is.> with best wishes>> OM TAT SAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> Teaching & Consultations> http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being whohas> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->> -> tw853> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM> Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct>>>> Dear Friends,>> 1. I've done my part in GENERALl and this part is an opportunity for> plenty of BTR Friends including Swami ji to show us how theirdifferent> BTR methods can give DIFFERENT TOBs and which one is the best FIT to> the given events but NOTt implying to be the TRUE TOB which is notknown> by any body.>> 2. "I shall give some of the (BTR) methods which are available. Howfar> you can rely on them, is left entirely to you, to the readers and tothe> research scholars" (KP Reader III, page 494 (New Editon), page 317(Old> Edition) because they are not

supported by research on the sufficient> numbers of practical charts.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Hare Ram Krishna> > 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005> after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv> Sena.> > 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.> > 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's> controversial remarks about the migrant population from the northIndian> states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.> > 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was>

arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various> sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]> > 5. He was granted bail on the same day.> > 6.On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a> Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarksagainst> Biharis.[10]> > 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]> compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.> > 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting,> which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Laterthat> day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assignedto> a two-week judicial custody.[19]> > 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against> Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railwayexam> riots. The death of Mr. Pawan

Kumar turned out to be an accident aswas> evident from a video footage, made available later.> > All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.> > 10. He is married. What date?.> > Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time.> although He also has not covered events as described in above list.> > No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.> > A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to> reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.> >> > OM TATSAT> >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Beingwho> has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->

>> > -> > sandeep patel> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM> > Re: details of Raj Thakare> >> >> > Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder,what> were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s birth time> needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?> >> > Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the> events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with theevents> of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.> >> > If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request> them to

put it before the group so that other members can learn whythe> birth time needed to be rectified.> >> > Regards,> >> > Sandeep> >>

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Dear Dr. Luther Rath, 1. The message quoting Sri R. Santhanam is that in border like case the accuracy is crucial also in Vedic analysis using namsaa.2. The message quoting Grahavani journal is that some are getting good results by using the different ephemeris. As mentioned "According to almost all ephemeris, Saturn --- reentered Makara (Capricorn)on 15 December 1990.",1) as per KPAstro 3.0 using the NASA based Swiss ephemeris, Saturn entered Capricorn on 14 December 1990 at 04:04:56 AM IST using NKPA 23:38:26;2) as per JHora 7.0 using the NASA based Swiss ephemeris, (a) Saturn entered Capricorn on 14 December 1990 at 02:33:14 AM IST using NKPA 23:38:26; (b) Saturn entered Capricorn on 14 December 1990 at 23:39:56 PM IST using Lahiri Ayanamsa 23:44:05.13.Regards,tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sir, > Most humbly I would like to submit the following few lines regarding entry of Saturn in to Capricorn.> Saturn was in retrogression till 22nd September 1990 according to Jagannath Hora. On that date Sun transited at Virgo 5-36 and Saturn at Sagittarius 25-04 degrees. They were at a distance of 109-28 degrees. According to verification in ephemeris Saturn cannot go closer to Sun than this distance (110 degrees if rounded up) ever during retrogression. So on 23rd September it had to change its course and become direct. And in fact it did so. On 14th December noon (GMT) it reached at 0-04 Capricorn and covered 5 degrees in 82 days. The transit of Saturn was at an average rate of 3 minutes 40 seconds per day. The rate of transit appears to be appropriate although it was on slower side since it was picking up from (0) on 22nd September.> Therefore in my opinion entry on 14/15 December 1990 is quite authentic and reliable. If one agrees to this justification there won't be any problem putting Saturn in Capricorn during the period in concern.> I request you to please spare few minutes to give your opinion.> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ________________________________> tw853 tw853 > Friday, November 14, 2008 7:08:56 PM> Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct> > > > To wit, if a planet, say Saturn is in Aries 19-59 as per Lahiri> Ayanamsha, another Ayanamsha even with a small difference of minus 2' of> arc can place Saturn somewhat ahead and give it Libra navamsha instead> of Virgo navamsha due to Lahiri. Saturn even in Aries Rashi with Libra> navamsha protects one from heart ailments, gives him longevity and helps> him progress in his calling. The same Saturn with Aries sign position> but in Virgo navamsha makes him wholly unreliable and makes him a victim> of some sort of diseases of hands and legs. This difference could be> easily located by an experienced astrologer. Same is the case with other> divisions including navamsha..> --Sri R. Santhanam in his book Deva Keralam> > According to almost all ephemeris, Saturn had gone into retrogression> and entered Dhanus (Sagittarius) and again reentered Makara (Capricorn)> on 15 December 1990. But according to Vakya Panchanga (ephemeris)> followed by Nadi astrologers in South India, Saturn entered Makara on 10> February 1991, that is, a difference of 55 days. Then what is the fate> of the children born between 15 Dec 1990 to 10 Feb 1991, whether Saturn> is to be placed in Dhanus or Makara. According to Vakya Panchanga, such> a situation is common for Saturn whenever it retrogrades or entering the> signs, there will be a difference of nearly 90 days, and for Jupiter 15> days and for fast moving planets Budha (Mercury), Sukra (Venus) for 1 to> 3 days will be there. How to reconcile this position is for scholars in> the science to decide. All Nadi literature was based on Vakya Panchanga> and the predictions arrived on such calculations are 80% coming true. In> view of the different Graha Gathis (planetary movements) even the> horoscope charts prepared through computers are of no use.> --June 1991 Grahavani journal of Hyderabad> > -- In @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Hare Ram Krishna> > Dear friends,> > Because of demand of accurately calculated horoscope in KP,especially> in Natal analysis; Search for Acceptable birth time is important.> > In Vedic accurate BT upto one to one and half minutes is sufficient> unless one has to study about matters related to higher consciousness. In> Vedic subsidiary methods are also available like Prasna,Varsh phala etc.> > Rules in astrology are not universal and have exceptions ,modifier> ,riders and many times rules as known are inapplicable.> > But in KP belief is Rules are dependable and limited in number.> > This naturally calls for deeper scrutiny.> > My understanding is heading me to conclude that every native has a> astrological Birth Time that answers most his stay and events about his> sojourn on this planet , Whatever the system could be Vedic or KP or> western.> > May god bless every astrologer to find that astrological accurate Time> of Birth ,irrespective what we define time of is.> > with best wishes> >> > OM TAT SAT> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> > Teaching & Consultations> > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who> has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> >> > -> > tw853> > @gro ups..com> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM> > Re: details of Raj Thakare-which BT is correct> >> >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > 1. I've done my part in GENERALl and this part is an opportunity for> > plenty of BTR Friends including Swami ji to show us how their> different> > BTR methods can give DIFFERENT TOBs and which one is the best FIT to> > the given events but NOTt implying to be the TRUE TOB which is not> known> > by any body.> >> > 2. "I shall give some of the (BTR) methods which are available. How> far> > you can rely on them, is left entirely to you, to the readers and to> the> > research scholars" (KP Reader III, page 494 (New Editon), page 317> (Old> > Edition) because they are not supported by research on the sufficient> > numbers of practical charts.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Hare Ram Krishna> > > 1.Raj Thackeray resigned from the party shiv sena in December 2005> > after blaming Uddhav Thackeray and his companions for ruining the Shiv> > Sena.> > > 2.He formed the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena in March 2006.> > > 3.In February 2008, a row erupted in Mumbai after Thackeray's> > controversial remarks about the migrant population from the north> Indian> > states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar in the city.> > > 4.Thackeray, along with Samajwadi Party leader Abu Asim Azmi, was> > arrested by the Mumbai Police on February 13, 2008 under various> > sections of the Indian Penal Code.[4]> > > 5. He was granted bail on the same day.> > > 6..On 1 October 2008, a non-bailable arrest warrant was issued by a> > Bihar court against him for allegedly making derogatory remarks> against> > Biharis.[10]> > > 7. On 25 September 2008, Bombay High Court Justice J N Patel[11]> > compared Thackeray's actions to terrorism.> > > 8. On 21 October 2008, Thackery was arrested on charges of rioting,> > which sparked further violent protests by MNS activists.[18] Later> that> > day he was denied bail for the Dombivli-Kalyan case and was assigned> to> > a two-week judicial custody.[19]> > > 9.On 24 October 2008, Jagdish Prasad filed a murder charge against> > Thackeray for the death of his son, Pawan Kumar, during the railway> exam> > riots. The death of Mr. Pawan Kumar turned out to be an accident as> was> > evident from a video footage, made available later.> > > All above are enteris from encyclolopidia.> > > 10. He is married. What date?.> > > Mr TW ji has already posted his analysis based on 17 ;44 Birth time.> > although He also has not covered events as described in above list.> > > No two astrolgers agree on interpratations and application of rules.> > > A comprative study between two birth time will help many students to> > reach accurate Birth Time for sure. with regards.> > >> > > OM TATSAT> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being> who> > has> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > >> > > -> > > sandeep patel> > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, November 10, 2008 8:27 PM> > > Re: details of Raj Thakare> > >> > >> > > Does every chart need rectification of the birth time? I wonder,> what> > were the criteria that determined that Raj Thakeray¢s birth time> > needs rectification and that too, by 9 minutes?> > >> > > Did anyone check out his Dasas and tried to match the Dasas with the> > events of his life and found that the DBAS do not tally with the> events> > of his life and therefore the birth time needs to be rectified.> > >> > > If Mr. Rao or any other member has done such an analysis, I request> > them to put it before the group so that other members can learn why> the> > birth time needed to be rectified.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Sandeep> > >> >>