Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

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We all forget that a person is said to take a rebirth when he is initiated to

sanyasha as he performs his own Antyesti Kriya on that day. So from the Natal

chart the the day of initiation should correspond to the date of death. The time

and date of initiation will be the required parameters to cast the horoscope of

the Sanyashi (ie. of  the Swami)

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote:

 

Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni

RE: Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

Sunday, January 24, 2010, 10:47 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eye is a sense and Mind is the Driver who direct the senses as well as

work

 

through them, guided by intelligence ; jivatma knows about that sense to

 

which mind attach and intellect decide . We do not know the activity of that

 

sense to which to which mind does not attach, though other senses might be

 

working due to Paramatama control over every thing; he who take control of

 

our well being when we are slept or are in Samadhi;

 

 

 

One who had not attained Brahm live in mind and look every thing in terms of

 

senses, body, material matter etc. but who lives in Brahm looks every thing

 

in the Brahm and Brahm only.

 

 

 

Any one born as human being had the right to attain the God, even if is a

 

great criminal, Criminal, Sanyasi, Doctor, Teacher , Scholar, Astrologer etc

 

are status , Ammachi, Shankrachaiya , Ramdev etc are doing works , for

 

which they had strived , these are good or bad in the material terminology.

 

 

 

A criminal and a Sanyasi, a donkey or a tree stands the same value in the

 

spiritual eyes.

 

 

 

From the astrological terminology which of course is also Avidiya can speak

 

about worldly terminologies and can show the person intended to spiritual

 

pursuits , but only a Mukat Atma can tell about another Mukat Atma, it is

 

beyond the scope of Astrology or Astrologer alone to say so with certainty.

 

Mercury the intellect is the helping aid to Mind that is Mercury is friend

 

of Moon, but the Mind is the enemy of intellect , because intellect can

 

arrest the Mind to let you realize , but mind do not let the intellect work

 

and keep him busy to help the senses only, Attaining God is nothing but

 

turning your mind from the senses to Jivatma who is already there.

 

 

 

And every thing will happen in Flash.

 

 

 

With Best Best wishes,

 

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[] On

 

Behalf Of gopalakrishna

 

24 January, 2010 11:04 PM

 

 

 

Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

 

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

 

 

I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

 

gopi.

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com>

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> How would you *KNOW*? :-)

 

>

 

> Pray tell!

 

>

 

> RR_,

 

>

 

>

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

 

> >

 

> > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way i

 

am

 

> > not under any obligation.. ....

 

> > -Gopi.

 

> >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding publicly

 

and

 

> > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

 

wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Rohini ji,

 

> > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

 

BECAUSE

 

> > OF

 

> > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to wait

 

to

 

> > test

 

> > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

 

> > > > Regards,

 

> > > > -gopi.

 

> > > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " rohinicrystal "

 

<jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > > > wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Gopi jee,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a Kriya

 

> > Yogi of

 

> > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

 

through

 

> > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from close

 

to

 

> > one's

 

> > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

 

> > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when the

 

'right

 

> > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can cause

 

> > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

 

Yogananda's

 

> > leo

 

> > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

 

someone

 

> > who

 

> > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

 

Astrology

 

> > (not

 

> > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a Yogi

 

was

 

> > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

 

> > recommended

 

> > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological amulet!). I

 

> > wonder

 

> > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

 

Yogananda! I

 

> > hope

 

> > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast a

 

very

 

> > dark

 

> > > > shadow on the mentality!

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

 

> > whatever

 

> > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

 

around!

 

> > Won't

 

> > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

 

material.

 

> > The

 

> > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's The

 

> > Holy

 

> > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his fascinating

 

theory

 

> > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894, but

 

used

 

> > the

 

> > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since Equinoxes

 

do

 

> > not

 

> > > > precess at a uniform rate.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology to

 

> > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

 

> > Yukteshwar's

 

> > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or Lahiri

 

> > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of Kriya

 

> > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he found

 

some

 

> > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

 

pressend

 

> > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special trunk-full

 

of

 

> > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

 

infantile,

 

> > > > quite honestly!

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

 

secret

 

> > and

 

> > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it! Rather

 

than

 

> > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it. This

 

is,

 

> > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we are

 

not

 

> > > > birds!!

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy science

 

and

 

> > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will arrive

 

at

 

> > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

 

> > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

 

> > " astronomical/ astrological

 

> > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely assume

 

that

 

> > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using and

 

was

 

> > not

 

> > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

 

astrologers

 

> > or

 

> > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the value

 

for

 

> > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

 

> > Yukteshwara

 

> > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against your

 

> > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean that

 

> > > > sun-light should be shunned!

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Regards,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna "

 

gopi_b927@

 

> > wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

 

> > > > > > //father's early

 

> > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

 

state, a

 

> > > > state of

 

> > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult to

 

> > manage ?

 

> > > > this

 

> > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian Vedic

 

> > > > Astrologers

 

> > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

 

principle

 

> > > > supports

 

> > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

 

> > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it can

 

not

 

> > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

 

lagna

 

> > also

 

> > > > can

 

> > > > > > give good reasons.

 

> > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not chalenge

 

> > others in

 

> > > > the

 

> > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo lagna

 

> > accepted

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a Kriya

 

yogi

 

> > for

 

> > > > more

 

> > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never felt

 

like

 

> > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

 

> > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

 

from

 

> > with-

 

> > > > in.I

 

> > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just because i

 

was

 

> > > > totally

 

> > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that lagna

 

of

 

> > > > MAHATMAS

 

> > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

 

> > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

 

gulika

 

> > and

 

> > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic venus

 

> > from

 

> > > > lagna

 

> > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is an

 

> > > > indication

 

> > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No body

 

have

 

> > had

 

> > > > any

 

> > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

 

> > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

 

> > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

 

> > birth

 

> > > > time

 

> > > > > > around

 

> > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

 

shows

 

> > short

 

> > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

 

> > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

 

short

 

> > life

 

> > > > from

 

> > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I dont

 

know

 

> > how

 

> > > > many

 

> > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

 

right

 

> > > > now.....

 

> > > > > > Love and regards,

 

> > > > > > gopi.

 

> > > > > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

 

> > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna of

 

> > Swami

 

> > > > Ji,

 

> > > > > > with

 

> > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

 

birth

 

> > time

 

> > > > > > around

 

> > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

 

shows

 

> > > > short

 

> > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902, It

 

was

 

> > > > Ekadashi

 

> > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

 

with

 

> > 12'th

 

> > > > lord

 

> > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra his

 

10'th

 

> > > > house,

 

> > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord Moon

 

and

 

> > Venus

 

> > > > on

 

> > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

 

since

 

> > last

 

> > > > > > night

 

> > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this world.

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

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> > \

 

> > > > \

 

> > > > > > \

 

> > > > > > > madhi/>

 

> > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there will

 

be

 

> > more

 

> > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > regards,

 

> > > > > > > Utkal

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

 

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of Makar

 

and

 

> > > > Dhanu

 

> > > > > > > Lagna

 

> > > > > > > > chart

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

 

Vivekananda,

 

> > > > whose

 

> > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

 

> > remember

 

> > > > great

 

> > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to Maa

 

> > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

 

> > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

 

> > > > knowledge "

 

> > > > > > > Swami

 

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > History :

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who was

 

> > > > Contemporary

 

> > > > > > to

 

> > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water diving

 

in

 

> > 1898,

 

> > > > so,

 

> > > > > > we

 

> > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

 

Vivekananda' s

 

> > life

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

 

well as

 

> > an

 

> > > > > > > attorney

 

> > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology, who

 

> > worked

 

> > > > whole

 

> > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of astrology.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami Ji's

 

> > > > BioGraphy

 

> > > > > > > which

 

> > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

 

> > mentioned,

 

> > > > > > Friends

 

> > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan 1863's

 

> > morning,

 

> > > > that

 

> > > > > > > was

 

> > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in Bengal in

 

> > year of

 

> > > > > > 1863.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how he

 

got a

 

> > > > > > horoscope

 

> > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna horoscope

 

came

 

> > into

 

> > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time, Sri

 

> > Ganesh

 

> > > > > > Chandra

 

> > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave Swami

 

ji's

 

> > birth

 

> > > > > > time

 

> > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got such a

 

> > time,

 

> > > > Life

 

> > > > > > to

 

> > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that Jeevani

 

> > > > Sangrah's

 

> > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of swami

 

ji.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

 

very

 

> > first

 

> > > > hour

 

> > > > > > > of

 

> > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

 

> > DevakiNandan

 

> > > > > > Singh

 

> > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that needs

 

> > answer

 

> > > > since

 

> > > > > > > last

 

> > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji, though,

 

Though

 

> > > > Babu

 

> > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara only

 

but

 

> > at

 

> > > > what

 

> > > > > > > time

 

> > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as he

 

got a

 

> > > > chart

 

> > > > > > with

 

> > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

 

printed

 

> > that

 

> > > > > > Makar

 

> > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna chart.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

 

astrology

 

> > has

 

> > > > given

 

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few more

 

> > north

 

> > > > > > Indian

 

> > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at

 

6:33

 

> > a.m

 

> > > > on

 

> > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

 

Sankranti,

 

> > He

 

> > > > was

 

> > > > > > > given

 

> > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath Datta

 

was

 

> > an

 

> > > > > > > attorney

 

> > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous, and

 

had

 

> > a

 

> > > > > > liberal

 

> > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious matters.

 

His

 

> > > > mother

 

> > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

 

austerities

 

> > and

 

> > > > > > prayed

 

> > > > > > > to

 

> > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

 

Swami

 

> > ji's

 

> > > > life,

 

> > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was an

 

> > > > attorney,

 

> > > > > > > spent

 

> > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

 

time,

 

> > He

 

> > > > died

 

> > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

 

Sun,

 

> > the

 

> > > > 9'th

 

> > > > > > > lord

 

> > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna cause a

 

> > father's

 

> > > > > > early

 

> > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

 

state,

 

> > a

 

> > > > state

 

> > > > > > of

 

> > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult to

 

> > manage

 

> > > > ?

 

> > > > > > this

 

> > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

 

Vedic

 

> > > > > > Astrologers

 

> > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

 

principle

 

> > > > > > supports

 

> > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house

 

in

 

> > > > Dhanu,

 

> > > > > > > which

 

> > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well as

 

his

 

> > > > early

 

> > > > > > > death.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

 

chart

 

> > you

 

> > > > get

 

> > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in 10'th

 

house

 

> > and

 

> > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from 4'th

 

house

 

> > of

 

> > > > > > mother,

 

> > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb mother

 

with

 

> > a

 

> > > > > > strong

 

> > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless to

 

> > underline

 

> > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

 

> > conjunct

 

> > > > with

 

> > > > > > > > Moon.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

 

placed

 

> > in

 

> > > > 4'th

 

> > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

 

house,

 

> > this

 

> > > > > > > clearly

 

> > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

 

> > financial

 

> > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

 

affliction to

 

> > 3rd

 

> > > > > > house

 

> > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who is

 

2nd

 

> > lord

 

> > > > also

 

> > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect

 

on

 

> > 3rd

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

 

> > conjunction

 

> > > > or

 

> > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

 

further,

 

> > with

 

> > > > Makar

 

> > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect thus

 

> > > > aggravating

 

> > > > > > > > malefic impact.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house, aspected

 

by

 

> > > > Saturn

 

> > > > > > from

 

> > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

 

shloka

 

> > in

 

> > > > > > Shambhu

 

> > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by Saturn

 

there

 

> > > > will be

 

> > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

 

inadequate

 

> > study

 

> > > > of

 

> > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as

 

5'th

 

> > lord

 

> > > > in

 

> > > > > > > 5'th

 

> > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

 

Mars in

 

> > > > 5'th

 

> > > > > > > house

 

> > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

 

should

 

> > have

 

> > > > been

 

> > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

 

> > subject, in

 

> > > > a

 

> > > > > > > clear

 

> > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a

 

BA,

 

> > he

 

> > > > > > studied

 

> > > > > > > -

 

> > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and other

 

> > subjects.

 

> > > > He

 

> > > > > > > was

 

> > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

 

> > instrumental

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > > > is

 

> > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads, Beni

 

Gupta

 

> > and

 

> > > > > > > Ahamad

 

> > > > > > > > Khan " .

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning of

 

music,

 

> > How

 

> > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's education,

 

is a

 

> > > > matter

 

> > > > > > > > of discovery.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

 

10'th

 

> > lord's

 

> > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has given

 

him

 

> > > > > > education

 

> > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

 

> > supportive

 

> > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th

 

> > houses,

 

> > > > but

 

> > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna, 3rd

 

lord

 

> > Jup

 

> > > > in

 

> > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting 4'th

 

and

 

> > 6'th

 

> > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is

 

well

 

> > known

 

> > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It

 

has

 

> > > > another

 

> > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in

 

> > physical

 

> > > > > > > exercises

 

> > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn from

 

9'th

 

> > > > house

 

> > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

 

> > sickness.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

 

> > Thakur

 

> > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

 

Shapt

 

> > Rishi

 

> > > > (

 

> > > > > > One

 

> > > > > > > of

 

> > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with Dhanu

 

> > lagna

 

> > > > chart,

 

> > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses and

 

> > their

 

> > > > lord,

 

> > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu Lagna

 

> > chart,

 

> > > > you

 

> > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

 

> > achievements

 

> > > > as

 

> > > > > > Jup

 

> > > > > > > is

 

> > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

 

> > materialistic

 

> > > > > > > gains.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

 

9'th

 

> > lord

 

> > > > Merc

 

> > > > > > in

 

> > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

 

configuration,

 

> > > > > > > furthermore,

 

> > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

 

lagna

 

> > makes

 

> > > > one

 

> > > > > > a

 

> > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

 

> > Saturn

 

> > > > is

 

> > > > > > > gone

 

> > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

 

> > get's

 

> > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional spiritual

 

> > chart.

 

> > > > Mind

 

> > > > > > > it,

 

> > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

 

> > spiritual

 

> > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

 

> > mysticism

 

> > > > > > whereas

 

> > > > > > > in

 

> > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in

 

5'th

 

> > > > house,

 

> > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

 

4'th

 

> > > > leading

 

> > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him qualities

 

to

 

> > > > think

 

> > > > > > deep

 

> > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

 

aspect on

 

> > 2nd

 

> > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

 

> > period,

 

> > > > in

 

> > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

 

12'th

 

> > lord,

 

> > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

 

house's

 

> > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times and

 

> > because

 

> > > > of

 

> > > > > > > 12'th

 

> > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

 

vedic

 

> > > > > > > spirituality

 

> > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection

 

with

 

> > such

 

> > > > a

 

> > > > > > > world

 

> > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was Rahu's

 

dasa

 

> > and

 

> > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru Ramkrishna

 

died,

 

> > his

 

> > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You

 

get a

 

> > > > clear

 

> > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

 

lagna

 

> > chart

 

> > > > is

 

> > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In Dhanu

 

> > lagna

 

> > > > > > chart,

 

> > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

 

house,

 

> > this

 

> > > > gives

 

> > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc is

 

> > conjunct

 

> > > > > > with

 

> > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

 

astrologers

 

> > could

 

> > > > see

 

> > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami Ji's

 

Dhanu

 

> > > > Lagna

 

> > > > > > > chart

 

> > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read and

 

> > > > understand a

 

> > > > > > > > chart.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

 

Mars

 

> > the

 

> > > > 4'th

 

> > > > > > > lord,

 

> > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is conjunct

 

with

 

> > > > Saturn

 

> > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in 9'th

 

> > house,

 

> > > > So,

 

> > > > > > he

 

> > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

 

divine

 

> > mother

 

> > > > > > Kali.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer,

 

when

 

> > you

 

> > > > find

 

> > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a combination

 

for

 

> > > > making a

 

> > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what combination

 

find

 

> > in

 

> > > > rich

 

> > > > > > > > business man's chart.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th

 

lord

 

> > Merc

 

> > > > > > > conjunct

 

> > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

 

business

 

> > > > man, a

 

> > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) which is

 

> > lagna

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > > > 4'th

 

> > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

 

business

 

> > > > magnet

 

> > > > > > > like

 

> > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

 

question

 

> > > > mark in

 

> > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji was

 

born

 

> > > > with

 

> > > > > > > dhanu

 

> > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

 

present

 

> > > > making

 

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a person

 

with

 

> > Rahu

 

> > > > in

 

> > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present in

 

dhanu

 

> > > > lagna

 

> > > > > > > > chart ??

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

 

Mars in

 

> > > > 4'th

 

> > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as Mars

 

are

 

> > > > required

 

> > > > > > to

 

> > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

 

> > blessing of

 

> > > > a

 

> > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

 

> > noteworthy

 

> > > > that

 

> > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

 

lordship

 

> > > > also,

 

> > > > > > > Next

 

> > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

 

lagna.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd contribute

 

for

 

> > > > getting a

 

> > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be a

 

> > homage

 

> > > > from

 

> > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls today.

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Good point, Dada! Thanks for introducing the paradigm shift!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> We all forget that a person is said to take a rebirth when he is initiated to

sanyasha as he performs his own Antyesti Kriya on that day. So from the Natal

chart the the day of initiation should correspond to the date of death. The time

and date of initiation will be the required parameters to cast the horoscope of

the Sanyashi (ie. of  the Swami)

> Regards,

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni

> RE: Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative

Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

> Sunday, January 24, 2010, 10:47 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

Eye is a sense and Mind is the Driver who direct the senses as well as

work

>

> through them, guided by intelligence ; jivatma knows about that sense to

>

> which mind attach and intellect decide . We do not know the activity of that

>

> sense to which to which mind does not attach, though other senses might be

>

> working due to Paramatama control over every thing; he who take control of

>

> our well being when we are slept or are in Samadhi;

>

>

>

> One who had not attained Brahm live in mind and look every thing in terms of

>

> senses, body, material matter etc. but who lives in Brahm looks every thing

>

> in the Brahm and Brahm only.

>

>

>

> Any one born as human being had the right to attain the God, even if is a

>

> great criminal, Criminal, Sanyasi, Doctor, Teacher , Scholar, Astrologer etc

>

> are status , Ammachi, Shankrachaiya , Ramdev etc are doing works , for

>

> which they had strived , these are good or bad in the material terminology.

>

>

>

> A criminal and a Sanyasi, a donkey or a tree stands the same value in the

>

> spiritual eyes.

>

>

>

> From the astrological terminology which of course is also Avidiya can speak

>

> about worldly terminologies and can show the person intended to spiritual

>

> pursuits , but only a Mukat Atma can tell about another Mukat Atma, it is

>

> beyond the scope of Astrology or Astrologer alone to say so with certainty.

>

> Mercury the intellect is the helping aid to Mind that is Mercury is friend

>

> of Moon, but the Mind is the enemy of intellect , because intellect can

>

> arrest the Mind to let you realize , but mind do not let the intellect work

>

> and keep him busy to help the senses only, Attaining God is nothing but

>

> turning your mind from the senses to Jivatma who is already there.

>

>

>

> And every thing will happen in Flash.

>

>

>

> With Best Best wishes,

>

>

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

> []

On

>

> Behalf Of gopalakrishna

>

> 24 January, 2010 11:04 PM

>

>

>

> Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

>

> of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

>

> I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

>

> gopi.

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40.

com>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

>

> >

>

> > Pray tell!

>

> >

>

> > RR_,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way i

>

> am

>

> > > not under any obligation.. ....

>

> > > -Gopi.

>

> > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding publicly

>

> and

>

> > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

>

> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Rohini ji,

>

> > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

>

> BECAUSE

>

> > > OF

>

> > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to wait

>

> to

>

> > > test

>

> > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

>

> > > > > Regards,

>

> > > > > -gopi.

>

> > > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " rohinicrystal "

>

> <jyotish_vani@ >

>

> > > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Gopi jee,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a Kriya

>

> > > Yogi of

>

> > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

>

> through

>

> > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from close

>

> to

>

> > > one's

>

> > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

>

> > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when the

>

> 'right

>

> > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can cause

>

> > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

>

> Yogananda's

>

> > > leo

>

> > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

>

> someone

>

> > > who

>

> > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

>

> Astrology

>

> > > (not

>

> > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a Yogi

>

> was

>

> > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

>

> > > recommended

>

> > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological amulet!). I

>

> > > wonder

>

> > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

>

> Yogananda! I

>

> > > hope

>

> > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast a

>

> very

>

> > > dark

>

> > > > > shadow on the mentality!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

>

> > > whatever

>

> > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

>

> around!

>

> > > Won't

>

> > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

>

> material.

>

> > > The

>

> > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's The

>

> > > Holy

>

> > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his fascinating

>

> theory

>

> > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894, but

>

> used

>

> > > the

>

> > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since Equinoxes

>

> do

>

> > > not

>

> > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology to

>

> > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

>

> > > Yukteshwar's

>

> > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or Lahiri

>

> > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of Kriya

>

> > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he found

>

> some

>

> > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

>

> pressend

>

> > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special trunk-full

>

> of

>

> > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

>

> infantile,

>

> > > > > quite honestly!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

>

> secret

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it! Rather

>

> than

>

> > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it. This

>

> is,

>

> > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we are

>

> not

>

> > > > > birds!!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy science

>

> and

>

> > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will arrive

>

> at

>

> > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

>

> > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

>

> > > " astronomical/ astrological

>

> > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely assume

>

> that

>

> > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using and

>

> was

>

> > > not

>

> > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

>

> astrologers

>

> > > or

>

> > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the value

>

> for

>

> > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

>

> > > Yukteshwara

>

> > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against your

>

> > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean that

>

> > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Regards,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " gopalakrishna "

>

> gopi_b927@

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

>

> > > > > > > //father's early

>

> > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

>

> state, a

>

> > > > > state of

>

> > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult to

>

> > > manage ?

>

> > > > > this

>

> > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian Vedic

>

> > > > > Astrologers

>

> > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

>

> principle

>

> > > > > supports

>

> > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

>

> > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it can

>

> not

>

> > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

>

> lagna

>

> > > also

>

> > > > > can

>

> > > > > > > give good reasons.

>

> > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not chalenge

>

> > > others in

>

> > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo lagna

>

> > > accepted

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a Kriya

>

> yogi

>

> > > for

>

> > > > > more

>

> > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never felt

>

> like

>

> > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

>

> > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

>

> from

>

> > > with-

>

> > > > > in.I

>

> > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just because i

>

> was

>

> > > > > totally

>

> > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that lagna

>

> of

>

> > > > > MAHATMAS

>

> > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

>

> > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

>

> gulika

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic venus

>

> > > from

>

> > > > > lagna

>

> > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is an

>

> > > > > indication

>

> > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No body

>

> have

>

> > > had

>

> > > > > any

>

> > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

>

> > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

>

> > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

>

> > > birth

>

> > > > > time

>

> > > > > > > around

>

> > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

>

> shows

>

> > > short

>

> > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

>

> > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

>

> short

>

> > > life

>

> > > > > from

>

> > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I dont

>

> know

>

> > > how

>

> > > > > many

>

> > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

>

> right

>

> > > > > now.....

>

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

>

> > > > > > > gopi.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna of

>

> > > Swami

>

> > > > > Ji,

>

> > > > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

>

> birth

>

> > > time

>

> > > > > > > around

>

> > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

>

> shows

>

> > > > > short

>

> > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902, It

>

> was

>

> > > > > Ekadashi

>

> > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

>

> with

>

> > > 12'th

>

> > > > > lord

>

> > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra his

>

> 10'th

>

> > > > > house,

>

> > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord Moon

>

> and

>

> > > Venus

>

> > > > > on

>

> > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

>

> since

>

> > > last

>

> > > > > > > night

>

> > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this world.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s- maha-sam\

>

> <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam>

>

> \

>

> > > \

>

> > > > > \

>

> > > > > > > \

>

> > > > > > > > adhi/

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

>

> <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s- maha-sa>

>

> \

>

> > > \

>

> > > > > \

>

> > > > > > > \

>

> > > > > > > > madhi/>

>

> > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there will

>

> be

>

> > > more

>

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > regards,

>

> > > > > > > > Utkal

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of Makar

>

> and

>

> > > > > Dhanu

>

> > > > > > > > Lagna

>

> > > > > > > > > chart

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

>

> Vivekananda,

>

> > > > > whose

>

> > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

>

> > > remember

>

> > > > > great

>

> > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to Maa

>

> > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

>

> > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

>

> > > > > knowledge "

>

> > > > > > > > Swami

>

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > History :

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who was

>

> > > > > Contemporary

>

> > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water diving

>

> in

>

> > > 1898,

>

> > > > > so,

>

> > > > > > > we

>

> > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

>

> Vivekananda' s

>

> > > life

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

>

> well as

>

> > > an

>

> > > > > > > > attorney

>

> > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology, who

>

> > > worked

>

> > > > > whole

>

> > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of astrology.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami Ji's

>

> > > > > BioGraphy

>

> > > > > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

>

> > > mentioned,

>

> > > > > > > Friends

>

> > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan 1863's

>

> > > morning,

>

> > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > was

>

> > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in Bengal in

>

> > > year of

>

> > > > > > > 1863.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how he

>

> got a

>

> > > > > > > horoscope

>

> > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna horoscope

>

> came

>

> > > into

>

> > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time, Sri

>

> > > Ganesh

>

> > > > > > > Chandra

>

> > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave Swami

>

> ji's

>

> > > birth

>

> > > > > > > time

>

> > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got such a

>

> > > time,

>

> > > > > Life

>

> > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that Jeevani

>

> > > > > Sangrah's

>

> > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of swami

>

> ji.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

>

> very

>

> > > first

>

> > > > > hour

>

> > > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

>

> > > DevakiNandan

>

> > > > > > > Singh

>

> > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that needs

>

> > > answer

>

> > > > > since

>

> > > > > > > > last

>

> > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji, though,

>

> Though

>

> > > > > Babu

>

> > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara only

>

> but

>

> > > at

>

> > > > > what

>

> > > > > > > > time

>

> > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as he

>

> got a

>

> > > > > chart

>

> > > > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

>

> printed

>

> > > that

>

> > > > > > > Makar

>

> > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna chart.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

>

> astrology

>

> > > has

>

> > > > > given

>

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few more

>

> > > north

>

> > > > > > > Indian

>

> > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at

>

> 6:33

>

> > > a.m

>

> > > > > on

>

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

>

> Sankranti,

>

> > > He

>

> > > > > was

>

> > > > > > > > given

>

> > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath Datta

>

> was

>

> > > an

>

> > > > > > > > attorney

>

> > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous, and

>

> had

>

> > > a

>

> > > > > > > liberal

>

> > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious matters.

>

> His

>

> > > > > mother

>

> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

>

> austerities

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > > > prayed

>

> > > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

>

> Swami

>

> > > ji's

>

> > > > > life,

>

> > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was an

>

> > > > > attorney,

>

> > > > > > > > spent

>

> > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

>

> time,

>

> > > He

>

> > > > > died

>

> > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

>

> Sun,

>

> > > the

>

> > > > > 9'th

>

> > > > > > > > lord

>

> > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna cause a

>

> > > father's

>

> > > > > > > early

>

> > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

>

> state,

>

> > > a

>

> > > > > state

>

> > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult to

>

> > > manage

>

> > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > this

>

> > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

>

> Vedic

>

> > > > > > > Astrologers

>

> > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

>

> principle

>

> > > > > > > supports

>

> > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house

>

> in

>

> > > > > Dhanu,

>

> > > > > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well as

>

> his

>

> > > > > early

>

> > > > > > > > death.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

>

> chart

>

> > > you

>

> > > > > get

>

> > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in 10'th

>

> house

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from 4'th

>

> house

>

> > > of

>

> > > > > > > mother,

>

> > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb mother

>

> with

>

> > > a

>

> > > > > > > strong

>

> > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless to

>

> > > underline

>

> > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

>

> > > conjunct

>

> > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > > > Moon.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

>

> placed

>

> > > in

>

> > > > > 4'th

>

> > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

>

> house,

>

> > > this

>

> > > > > > > > clearly

>

> > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

>

> > > financial

>

> > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

>

> affliction to

>

> > > 3rd

>

> > > > > > > house

>

> > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who is

>

> 2nd

>

> > > lord

>

> > > > > also

>

> > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect

>

> on

>

> > > 3rd

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

>

> > > conjunction

>

> > > > > or

>

> > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

>

> further,

>

> > > with

>

> > > > > Makar

>

> > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect thus

>

> > > > > aggravating

>

> > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house, aspected

>

> by

>

> > > > > Saturn

>

> > > > > > > from

>

> > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

>

> shloka

>

> > > in

>

> > > > > > > Shambhu

>

> > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by Saturn

>

> there

>

> > > > > will be

>

> > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

>

> inadequate

>

> > > study

>

> > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as

>

> 5'th

>

> > > lord

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > 5'th

>

> > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

>

> Mars in

>

> > > > > 5'th

>

> > > > > > > > house

>

> > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

>

> should

>

> > > have

>

> > > > > been

>

> > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

>

> > > subject, in

>

> > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > clear

>

> > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a

>

> BA,

>

> > > he

>

> > > > > > > studied

>

> > > > > > > > -

>

> > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and other

>

> > > subjects.

>

> > > > > He

>

> > > > > > > > was

>

> > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

>

> > > instrumental

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads, Beni

>

> Gupta

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > > > > Ahamad

>

> > > > > > > > > Khan " .

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning of

>

> music,

>

> > > How

>

> > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's education,

>

> is a

>

> > > > > matter

>

> > > > > > > > > of discovery.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

>

> 10'th

>

> > > lord's

>

> > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has given

>

> him

>

> > > > > > > education

>

> > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

>

> > > supportive

>

> > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th

>

> > > houses,

>

> > > > > but

>

> > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna, 3rd

>

> lord

>

> > > Jup

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting 4'th

>

> and

>

> > > 6'th

>

> > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is

>

> well

>

> > > known

>

> > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It

>

> has

>

> > > > > another

>

> > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in

>

> > > physical

>

> > > > > > > > exercises

>

> > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn from

>

> 9'th

>

> > > > > house

>

> > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

>

> > > sickness.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

>

> > > Thakur

>

> > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

>

> Shapt

>

> > > Rishi

>

> > > > > (

>

> > > > > > > One

>

> > > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with Dhanu

>

> > > lagna

>

> > > > > chart,

>

> > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses and

>

> > > their

>

> > > > > lord,

>

> > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu Lagna

>

> > > chart,

>

> > > > > you

>

> > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

>

> > > achievements

>

> > > > > as

>

> > > > > > > Jup

>

> > > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

>

> > > materialistic

>

> > > > > > > > gains.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

>

> 9'th

>

> > > lord

>

> > > > > Merc

>

> > > > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

>

> configuration,

>

> > > > > > > > furthermore,

>

> > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

>

> lagna

>

> > > makes

>

> > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

>

> > > Saturn

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > gone

>

> > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

>

> > > get's

>

> > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional spiritual

>

> > > chart.

>

> > > > > Mind

>

> > > > > > > > it,

>

> > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

>

> > > spiritual

>

> > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

>

> > > mysticism

>

> > > > > > > whereas

>

> > > > > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in

>

> 5'th

>

> > > > > house,

>

> > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

>

> 4'th

>

> > > > > leading

>

> > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him qualities

>

> to

>

> > > > > think

>

> > > > > > > deep

>

> > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

>

> aspect on

>

> > > 2nd

>

> > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

>

> > > period,

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

>

> 12'th

>

> > > lord,

>

> > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

>

> house's

>

> > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times and

>

> > > because

>

> > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > 12'th

>

> > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

>

> vedic

>

> > > > > > > > spirituality

>

> > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection

>

> with

>

> > > such

>

> > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > world

>

> > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was Rahu's

>

> dasa

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru Ramkrishna

>

> died,

>

> > > his

>

> > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You

>

> get a

>

> > > > > clear

>

> > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

>

> lagna

>

> > > chart

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In Dhanu

>

> > > lagna

>

> > > > > > > chart,

>

> > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

>

> house,

>

> > > this

>

> > > > > gives

>

> > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc is

>

> > > conjunct

>

> > > > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

>

> astrologers

>

> > > could

>

> > > > > see

>

> > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami Ji's

>

> Dhanu

>

> > > > > Lagna

>

> > > > > > > > chart

>

> > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read and

>

> > > > > understand a

>

> > > > > > > > > chart.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

>

> Mars

>

> > > the

>

> > > > > 4'th

>

> > > > > > > > lord,

>

> > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is conjunct

>

> with

>

> > > > > Saturn

>

> > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in 9'th

>

> > > house,

>

> > > > > So,

>

> > > > > > > he

>

> > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

>

> divine

>

> > > mother

>

> > > > > > > Kali.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer,

>

> when

>

> > > you

>

> > > > > find

>

> > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a combination

>

> for

>

> > > > > making a

>

> > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what combination

>

> find

>

> > > in

>

> > > > > rich

>

> > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th

>

> lord

>

> > > Merc

>

> > > > > > > > conjunct

>

> > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

>

> business

>

> > > > > man, a

>

> > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) which is

>

> > > lagna

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > 4'th

>

> > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

>

> business

>

> > > > > magnet

>

> > > > > > > > like

>

> > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

>

> question

>

> > > > > mark in

>

> > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji was

>

> born

>

> > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > > dhanu

>

> > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

>

> present

>

> > > > > making

>

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a person

>

> with

>

> > > Rahu

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present in

>

> dhanu

>

> > > > > lagna

>

> > > > > > > > > chart ??

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

>

> Mars in

>

> > > > > 4'th

>

> > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as Mars

>

> are

>

> > > > > required

>

> > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

>

> > > blessing of

>

> > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

>

> > > noteworthy

>

> > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

>

> lordship

>

> > > > > also,

>

> > > > > > > > Next

>

> > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

>

> lagna.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd contribute

>

> for

>

> > > > > getting a

>

> > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be a

>

> > > homage

>

> > > > > from

>

> > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls today.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Krishna ji,

 

I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind, soul,

conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

 

However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages going,

each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our mouth to

curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and slowing

us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type

our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body

to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to pay for

the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano lessons!).

 

While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

 

CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

 

Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

 

I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

 

Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why can

it not avoid being born on this Earth?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is capable

on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul is

concerned mind is irrelevant.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

>

> Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Dear RR ji,

> Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> -gopi.

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > >

> > > > Pray tell!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> i

> > > am

> > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> publicly

> > > and

> > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > BECAUSE

> > > > > OF

> > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> wait

> > > to

> > > > > test

> > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> Kriya

> > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > through

> > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> close

> > > to

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> the

> > > 'right

> > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> cause

> > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > Yogananda's

> > > > > leo

> > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > someone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > Astrology

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> Yogi

> > > was

> > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> amulet!). I

> > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > hope

> > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> a

> > > very

> > > > > dark

> > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > around!

> > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > material.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> The

> > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> fascinating

> > > theory

> > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> but

> > > used

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> Equinoxes

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> to

> > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> Lahiri

> > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> Kriya

> > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> found

> > > some

> > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > pressend

> > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> trunk-full

> > > of

> > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > infantile,

> > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > secret

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> Rather

> > > than

> > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> This

> > > is,

> > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> science

> > > and

> > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> arrive

> > > at

> > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> assume

> > > that

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> and

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > astrologers

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> value

> > > for

> > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> your

> > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> that

> > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > state, a

> > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> to

> > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > principle

> > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> chalenge

> > > > > others in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> lagna

> > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> Kriya

> > > yogi

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> felt

> > > like

> > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > from

> > > > > with-

> > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> because i

> > > was

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > gulika

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> venus

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> an

> > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> body

> > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > shows

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > short

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> dont

> > > know

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > right

> > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> of

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> this

> > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> It

> > > was

> > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > with

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> his

> > > 10'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> Moon

> > > and

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > since

> > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> world.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s- maha-sam\

> \

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> \

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> will

> > > be

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> Makar

> > > and

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> Maa

> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> my

> > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> was

> > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> diving

> > > in

> > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > well as

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> who

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> Ji's

> > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> 1863's

> > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> Bengal in

> > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> he

> > > got a

> > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> horoscope

> > > came

> > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> Sri

> > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> Swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> such a

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> Jeevani

> > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> swami

> > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > very

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> needs

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> though,

> > > Though

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> only

> > > but

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> he

> > > got a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > printed

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > astrology

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> more

> > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> at

> > > 6:33

> > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > Sankranti,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> Datta

> > > was

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> and

> > > had

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> matters.

> > > His

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > austerities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> an

> > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> life

> > > time,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > Sun,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> cause a

> > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > state,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> difficult to

> > > > > manage

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> house

> > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> as

> > > his

> > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> 10'th

> > > house

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> 4'th

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> mother

> > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> to

> > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > affliction to

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> is

> > > 2nd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> aspect

> > > on

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > further,

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> thus

> > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > shloka

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> Saturn

> > > there

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > inadequate

> > > > > study

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> as

> > > 5'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> a

> > > BA,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> other

> > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> Beni

> > > Gupta

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> of

> > > music,

> > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> education,

> > > is a

> > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> given

> > > him

> > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> no

> > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> 6'th

> > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> 3rd

> > > lord

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> 4'th

> > > and

> > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> is

> > > well

> > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> It

> > > has

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> in

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> from

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> guru

> > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > Shapt

> > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> and

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > 9'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > lagna

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> lord

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> There it

> > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> spiritual

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> in

> > > 5'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > 4'th

> > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> qualities

> > > to

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > aspect on

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> Jup's

> > > > > period,

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > 12'th

> > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> and

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> connection

> > > with

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> Rahu's

> > > dasa

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> Ramkrishna

> > > died,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> You

> > > get a

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> is

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > astrologers

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> Ji's

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> and

> > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > Mars

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> conjunct

> > > with

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> 9'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > divine

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> answer,

> > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> combination

> > > for

> > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> combination

> > > find

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> 10'th

> > > lord

> > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > business

> > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> which is

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > business

> > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > question

> > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> was

> > > born

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > present

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> person

> > > with

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> in

> > > dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> Mars

> > > are

> > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > lordship

> > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> contribute

> > > for

> > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> a

> > > > > homage

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> today.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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Gopi jee,

 

Have you stopped using your mind?

 

RR

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

> i agree with you.Mind is conditionally irrelelevant since it is

> conditioning beings,specially human.We become conditional and live in

> its clutches.So called MOKSHA(release in english) is nothing but release

> from its clutches is my understanding in simple terms....

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

> capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as

> the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> >

> > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative

> Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > -gopi.

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any

> way

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > publicly

> > > > and

> > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN

> REKHA

> > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have

> to

> > wait

> > > > to

> > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > Kriya

> > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and

> soul

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > close

> > > > to

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind

> of

> > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > the

> > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > cause

> > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > Yogi

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology

> and

> > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > amulet!). I

> > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would

> cast

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret

> for

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > around!

> > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially-

> read

> > > > material.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> Yukteshwar's

> > The

> > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > fascinating

> > > > theory

> > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for

> 1894,

> > but

> > > > used

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > Equinoxes

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

> Astrology

> > to

> > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It

> is

> > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > Kriya

> > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > found

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > trunk-full

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > Rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > This

> > > > is,

> > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > arrive

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value

> was

> > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in

> 1912.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was

> using

> > and

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > value

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed,

> hence

> > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

> against

> > your

> > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > that

> > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> difficult

> > to

> > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > Vedic

> > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but

> it

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that

> Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > chalenge

> > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > lagna

> > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > Kriya

> > > > yogi

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > felt

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

> obtained

> > > > from

> > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > because i

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > lagna

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH

> with

> > > > gulika

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > venus

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka

> is

> > an

> > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > body

> > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow

> suit.

> > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > take

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

> indicate

> > > > short

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > dont

> > > > know

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am

> ready

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and

> lagna

> > of

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> take

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july

> 1902,

> > It

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

> conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > his

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

> exaltation

> > > > since

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

> of

> > Makar

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article,

> I

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study

> to

> > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence

> of

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > was

> > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > diving

> > > > in

> > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate

> as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> astrology,

> > who

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > 1863's

> > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > Bengal in

> > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of

> how

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > horoscope

> > > > came

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > Sri

> > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > Swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > such a

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > swami

> > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins

> at

> > > > very

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now,

> Babu

> > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > needs

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > though,

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > only

> > > > but

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He

> has

> > > > printed

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna,

> few

> > more

> > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

> Calcutta

> > at

> > > > 6:33

> > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > Datta

> > > > was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> generous,

> > and

> > > > had

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > matters.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > austerities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart

> with

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father

> was

> > an

> > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > life

> > > > time,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you

> get

> > > > Sun,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > cause a

> > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> deprived

> > > > state,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult to

> > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> Indian

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as

> well

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu

> lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > 10'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > mother

> > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > to

> > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn

> is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord

> mars

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from

> 10'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

> mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a

> bad

> > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > affliction to

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn

> who

> > is

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > aspect

> > > > on

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > further,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > thus

> > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is

> a

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > Saturn

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > inadequate

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get

> Mars

> > as

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th

> house,

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

> Swamiji

> > > > should

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as

> a

> > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he

> was

> > a

> > > > BA,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > other

> > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal

> and

> > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > Beni

> > > > Gupta

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > of

> > > > music,

> > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > education,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th

> and

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > no

> > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th

> and

> > 6'th

> > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

> lagna,

> > 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > 4'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and

> yoga.

> > It

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > in

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > from

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout

> of

> > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by

> his

> > guru

> > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact,

> a

> > > > Shapt

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

> houses

> > and

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus

> and

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement

> in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart,

> Lagna

> > lord

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > There it

> > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > spiritual

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role

> in

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya

> of

> > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> ketu

> > in

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars

> in

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > qualities

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > Jup's

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd

> and

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's

> 3rd

> > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern

> times

> > and

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread

> true

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > connection

> > > > with

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > Rahu's

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > died,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > You

> > > > get a

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's

> dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this

> Merc

> > is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna

> chart,

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > 9'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > divine

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > answer,

> > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > combination

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > combination

> > > > find

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > 10'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him

> a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > which is

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not

> a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n

> vivid

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami

> ji

> > was

> > > > born

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> combination

> > > > present

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > person

> > > > with

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

> present

> > in

> > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th

> and

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > Mars

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with

> the

> > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini,

> It's

> > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has

> 12'th

> > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th

> and

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > contribute

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd

> be

> > a

> > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RR ji,

the problem is this question is yours and i have to answer your

question.Even if i answer the problem continues since its my answer not

your answer.That question itself is not there for me to answer.I can not

make others understand.No way and vice verse.....

-gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Gopi jee,

>

> Have you stopped using your mind?

>

> RR

>

> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > i agree with you.Mind is conditionally irrelelevant since it is

> > conditioning beings,specially human.We become conditional and live

in

> > its clutches.So called MOKSHA(release in english) is nothing but

release

> > from its clutches is my understanding in simple terms....

> > Love and regards,

> > gopi.

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It

is

> > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far

as

> > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > >

> > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

Comparative

> > Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind

did

> > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@

> > ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

experiences

> > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

filled.Any

> > way

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > > publicly

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN

> > REKHA

> > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may

have

> > to

> > > wait

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised

that a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind

and

> > soul

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset

:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards

from

> > > close

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this

kind

> > of

> > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems

when

> > > the

> > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it

can

> > > cause

> > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that

Swami

> > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

obviously

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much

for

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography

of a

> > > Yogi

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

astrology

> > and

> > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that

would

> > cast

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept

secret

> > for

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake

data

> > > > > around!

> > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially-

> > read

> > > > > material.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > Yukteshwar's

> > > The

> > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > fascinating

> > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for

> > 1894,

> > > but

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > > Equinoxes

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

> > Astrology

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out

C=It

> > is

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha

or

> > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

disciple of

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and

he

> > > found

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da!

When

> > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > trunk-full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and

seek,

> > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it

is so

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about

it!

> > > Rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of

it.

> > > This

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel

and we

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in

Holy

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you

will

> > > arrive

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894

value

> > was

> > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in

> > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

safely

> > > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was

> > using

> > > and

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using

the

> > > value

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed,

> > hence

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

> > against

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not

mean

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

deprived

> > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna

but

> > it

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that

> > Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > > chalenge

> > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's

Leo

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being

a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i

never

> > > felt

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

> > obtained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > > because i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or

that

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his

9thH

> > with

> > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a

malefic

> > > venus

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a

maraka

> > is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

Lagna.No

> > > body

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow

> > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if

you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

house,

> > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

> > indicate

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs

now.I

> > > dont

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am

> > ready

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and

> > lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

house,

> > > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july

> > 1902,

> > > It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

> > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting

Libra

> > > his

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th

lord

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

> > exaltation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave

this

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

E2%80%99s-

> > maha-sam\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

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> > maha-sa\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that

there

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

Study

> > of

> > > Makar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of

Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this

article,

> > I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this

study

> > to

> > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

efflorescence

> > of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh

who

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt

water

> > > diving

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

graduate

> > as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > astrology,

> > > who

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth

time is

> > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12

Jan

> > > 1863's

> > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account

of

> > how

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > horoscope

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first

time,

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah "

gave

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he

got

> > > such a

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after

that

> > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

charts of

> > > swami

> > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna

begins

> > at

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now,

> > Babu

> > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question

that

> > > needs

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > > though,

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be

Makara

> > > only

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

information as

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time,

He

> > has

> > > > > printed

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book

on

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar

Lagna,

> > few

> > > more

> > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

> > Calcutta

> > > at

> > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of

Makra

> > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

Vishwanath

> > > Datta

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > generous,

> > > and

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

religious

> > > matters.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart

> > with

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza :

Father

> > was

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in

his

> > > life

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart

you

> > get

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in

lagna

> > > cause a

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> > deprived

> > > > > state,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult to

> > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> > Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in

12'th

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza

as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu

> > lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction

in

> > > 10'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th

from

> > > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a

superb

> > > mother

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child,

needless

> > > to

> > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though

Saturn

> > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th

lord

> > mars

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from

> > 10'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

> > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in

a

> > bad

> > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

Saturn

> > who

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

Saturn's

> > > aspect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings,

saturn's

> > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's

death,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's

aspect

> > > thus

> > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There

is

> > a

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected

by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get

> > Mars

> > > as

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th

> > house,

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

> > Swamiji

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

mathematics as

> > a

> > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts,

he

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature,

and

> > > other

> > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both

vocal

> > and

> > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two

ustads,

> > > Beni

> > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and

learning

> > > of

> > > > > music,

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > education,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the

5'th

> > and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this

has

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you

get

> > > no

> > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th,

5'th

> > and

> > > 6'th

> > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

> > lagna,

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

aspecting

> > > 4'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna,

this

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and

> > yoga.

> > > It

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further,

Saturn

> > > from

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long

bout

> > of

> > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen

by

> > his

> > > guru

> > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is,

infact,

> > a

> > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology)

with

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

> > houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in

Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

materialistic

> > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust

for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord

Venus

> > and

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

placement

> > in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart,

> > Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

blessings,

> > > There it

> > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant

role

> > in

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into

maya

> > of

> > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> > ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with

Mars

> > in

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > > qualities

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression.

Jup's

> > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened

in

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the

3rd

> > and

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of

Jup's

> > 3rd

> > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern

> > times

> > > and

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

spread

> > true

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > connection

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It

was

> > > Rahu's

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period

..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna

chart,

> > > You

> > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's

> > dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's

life. In

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to

2nd

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever,

this

> > Merc

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to

read

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna

> > chart,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

occurs in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a

son of

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > > answer,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > combination

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > combination

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th

and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes

him

> > a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

(tula)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be

not

> > a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n

> > vivid

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare

Swami

> > ji

> > > was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > combination

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen

a

> > > person

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

> > present

> > > in

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in

5'th

> > and

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well

as

> > > Mars

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini

with

> > the

> > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

Kundalini,

> > It's

> > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has

> > 12'th

> > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in

9'th

> > and

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > contribute

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that

w'd

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which

falls

> > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RR ji,

//While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or

can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas

and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge --

let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

>

> CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably the

difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

others!!!....

-gopi.

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities,

mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized

and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without

sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great

Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism etc),

some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to describe the

life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not worldly!

And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and elsewhere!

>

> However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these

messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the

computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft

for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant, and

then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and so on

and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do grocery

shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for work

(teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to pay

for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano lessons!).

>

> While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or

can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas

and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge --

let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

>

> CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

>

> Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

>

> I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste

and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved

and continuing to do so!

>

> Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose

and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

krishna_1998@ wrote:

> >

> > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as

the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> >

> > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind

did

> > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > -gopi.

> > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any

way

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > publicly

> > > > and

> > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN

REKHA

> > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may

have to

> > wait

> > > > to

> > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that

a

> > Kriya

> > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and

soul

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards

from

> > close

> > > > to

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this

kind of

> > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems

when

> > the

> > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it

can

> > cause

> > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

obviously

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of

a

> > Yogi

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology

and

> > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > amulet!). I

> > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would

cast

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret

for

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake

data

> > > > around!

> > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially-

read

> > > > material.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

Yukteshwar's

> > The

> > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > fascinating

> > > > theory

> > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for

1894,

> > but

> > > > used

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > Equinoxes

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

Astrology

> > to

> > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It

is

> > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha

or

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple

of

> > Kriya

> > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and

he

> > found

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da!

When

> > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > trunk-full

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is

so

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > Rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of

it.

> > This

> > > > is,

> > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and

we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > arrive

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value

was

> > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in

1912.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was

using

> > and

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using

the

> > value

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed,

hence

> > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

against

> > your

> > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not

mean

> > that

> > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

deprived

> > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

difficult

> > to

> > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

Indian

> > Vedic

> > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but

it

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that

Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > chalenge

> > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > lagna

> > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > Kriya

> > > > yogi

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i

never

> > felt

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

obtained

> > > > from

> > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > because i

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > lagna

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH

with

> > > > gulika

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a

malefic

> > venus

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a

maraka is

> > an

> > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

Lagna.No

> > body

> > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow

suit.

> > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if

you

> > take

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

indicate

> > > > short

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > dont

> > > > know

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am

ready

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and

lagna

> > of

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

take

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

house,

> > this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july

1902,

> > It

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting

Libra

> > his

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th

lord

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

exaltation

> > > > since

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that

there

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of

> > Makar

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this

article, I

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this

study to

> > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

efflorescence of

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh

who

> > was

> > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > diving

> > > > in

> > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

graduate as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

astrology,

> > who

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the

Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time

is

> > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > 1863's

> > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > Bengal in

> > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of

how

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > horoscope

> > > > came

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first

time,

> > Sri

> > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > Swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he

got

> > such a

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts

of

> > swami

> > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna

begins at

> > > > very

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now,

Babu

> > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > needs

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > though,

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be

Makara

> > only

> > > > but

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information

as

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He

has

> > > > printed

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna,

few

> > more

> > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

Calcutta

> > at

> > > > 6:33

> > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

Vishwanath

> > Datta

> > > > was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

generous,

> > and

> > > > had

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > matters.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > austerities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart

with

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father

was

> > an

> > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in

his

> > life

> > > > time,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you

get

> > > > Sun,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > cause a

> > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

deprived

> > > > state,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult to

> > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

Indian

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in

12'th

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as

well

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu

lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > 10'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > mother

> > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child,

needless

> > to

> > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though

Saturn is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord

mars

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from

10'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a

bad

> > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > affliction to

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn

who

> > is

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > aspect

> > > > on

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings,

saturn's

> > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > further,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > thus

> > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There

is a

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > Saturn

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > inadequate

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get

Mars

> > as

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th

house,

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

Swamiji

> > > > should

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics

as a

> > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he

was

> > a

> > > > BA,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > other

> > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal

and

> > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two

ustads,

> > Beni

> > > > Gupta

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and

learning

> > of

> > > > music,

> > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > education,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th

and

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this

has

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you

get

> > no

> > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th

and

> > 6'th

> > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

lagna,

> > 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

aspecting

> > 4'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna,

this

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and

yoga.

> > It

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

interested

> > in

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further,

Saturn

> > from

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long

bout of

> > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by

his

> > guru

> > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is,

infact, a

> > > > Shapt

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology)

with

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

houses

> > and

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

materialistic

> > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust

for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus

and

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement

in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart,

Lagna

> > lord

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > There it

> > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > spiritual

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role

in

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya

of

> > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get

ketu

> > in

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with

Mars in

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > qualities

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression.

Jup's

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened

in

> > Jup's

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd

and

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's

3rd

> > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern

times

> > and

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread

true

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > connection

> > > > with

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > Rahu's

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > died,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna

chart,

> > You

> > > > get a

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's

dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life.

In

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to

2nd

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this

Merc

> > is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to

read

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna

chart,

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs

in

> > 9'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son

of

> > > > divine

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > answer,

> > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > combination

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > combination

> > > > find

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > 10'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes

him a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > which is

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be

not a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n

vivid

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami

ji

> > was

> > > > born

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

combination

> > > > present

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > person

> > > > with

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

present

> > in

> > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th

and

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > Mars

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with

the

> > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini,

It's

> > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has

12'th

> > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th

and

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > contribute

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that

w'd be

> > a

> > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Rohini ji,

 

Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

 

The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or without

mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to whether mind

is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

 

Krishna ji,

 

I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind, soul,

conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

 

However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages going,

each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our mouth to

curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and slowing

us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type

our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body

to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to pay for

the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano lessons!).

 

While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

 

CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

 

Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

 

I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

 

Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why can

it not avoid being born on this Earth?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is capable

on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul is

concerned mind is irrelevant.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@. ..>

>

> Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Dear RR ji,

> Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> -gopi.

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > >

> > > > Pray tell!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> i

> > > am

> > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> publicly

> > > and

> > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > BECAUSE

> > > > > OF

> > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> wait

> > > to

> > > > > test

> > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> Kriya

> > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > through

> > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> close

> > > to

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> the

> > > 'right

> > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> cause

> > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > Yogananda's

> > > > > leo

> > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > someone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > Astrology

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> Yogi

> > > was

> > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> amulet!). I

> > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > hope

> > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> a

> > > very

> > > > > dark

> > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > around!

> > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > material.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> The

> > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> fascinating

> > > theory

> > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> but

> > > used

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> Equinoxes

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> to

> > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> Lahiri

> > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> Kriya

> > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> found

> > > some

> > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > pressend

> > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> trunk-full

> > > of

> > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > infantile,

> > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > secret

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> Rather

> > > than

> > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> This

> > > is,

> > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> science

> > > and

> > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> arrive

> > > at

> > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> assume

> > > that

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> and

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > astrologers

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> value

> > > for

> > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> your

> > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> that

> > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > state, a

> > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> to

> > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > principle

> > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> chalenge

> > > > > others in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> lagna

> > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> Kriya

> > > yogi

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> felt

> > > like

> > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > from

> > > > > with-

> > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> because i

> > > was

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > gulika

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> venus

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> an

> > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> body

> > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > shows

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > short

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> dont

> > > know

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > right

> > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> of

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> this

> > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> It

> > > was

> > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > with

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> his

> > > 10'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> Moon

> > > and

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > since

> > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> world.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> will

> > > be

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> Makar

> > > and

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> Maa

> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> my

> > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> was

> > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> diving

> > > in

> > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > well as

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> who

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> Ji's

> > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> 1863's

> > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> Bengal in

> > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> he

> > > got a

> > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> horoscope

> > > came

> > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> Sri

> > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> Swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> such a

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> Jeevani

> > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> swami

> > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > very

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> needs

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> though,

> > > Though

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> only

> > > but

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> he

> > > got a

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > printed

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > astrology

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> more

> > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> at

> > > 6:33

> > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > Sankranti,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> Datta

> > > was

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> and

> > > had

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> matters.

> > > His

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > austerities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> an

> > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> life

> > > time,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > Sun,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> cause a

> > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > state,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> difficult to

> > > > > manage

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> house

> > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> as

> > > his

> > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> 10'th

> > > house

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> 4'th

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> mother

> > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> to

> > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > affliction to

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> is

> > > 2nd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> aspect

> > > on

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > further,

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> thus

> > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > shloka

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> Saturn

> > > there

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > inadequate

> > > > > study

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> as

> > > 5'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> a

> > > BA,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> other

> > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> Beni

> > > Gupta

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> of

> > > music,

> > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> education,

> > > is a

> > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> given

> > > him

> > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> no

> > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> 6'th

> > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> 3rd

> > > lord

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> 4'th

> > > and

> > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> is

> > > well

> > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> It

> > > has

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> in

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> from

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> guru

> > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > Shapt

> > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> and

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > 9'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > lagna

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> lord

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> There it

> > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> spiritual

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> in

> > > 5'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > 4'th

> > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> qualities

> > > to

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > aspect on

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> Jup's

> > > > > period,

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > 12'th

> > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> and

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> connection

> > > with

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> Rahu's

> > > dasa

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> Ramkrishna

> > > died,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> You

> > > get a

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> is

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > astrologers

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> Ji's

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> and

> > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > Mars

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> conjunct

> > > with

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> 9'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > divine

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> answer,

> > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> combination

> > > for

> > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> combination

> > > find

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> 10'th

> > > lord

> > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > business

> > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> which is

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > business

> > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > question

> > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> was

> > > born

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > present

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> person

> > > with

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> in

> > > dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> Mars

> > > are

> > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > lordship

> > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> contribute

> > > for

> > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> a

> > > > > homage

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> today.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a telepathic

message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

 

Best of Luck!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> RR ji,

> //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or

> can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas

> and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge --

> let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> >

> > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably the

> difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> others!!!....

> -gopi.

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities,

> mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized

> and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without

> sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great

> Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism etc),

> some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to describe the

> life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not worldly!

> And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and elsewhere!

> >

> > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these

> messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the

> computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft

> for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant, and

> then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and so on

> and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do grocery

> shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for work

> (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to pay

> for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano lessons!).

> >

> > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or

> can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas

> and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge --

> let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> >

> > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> >

> > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> >

> > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste

> and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved

> and continuing to do so!

> >

> > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose

> and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

> capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as

> the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > >

> > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind

> did

> > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any

> way

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > > publicly

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN

> REKHA

> > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may

> have to

> > > wait

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that

> a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and

> soul

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards

> from

> > > close

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this

> kind of

> > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems

> when

> > > the

> > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it

> can

> > > cause

> > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> obviously

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of

> a

> > > Yogi

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology

> and

> > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would

> cast

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret

> for

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake

> data

> > > > > around!

> > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially-

> read

> > > > > material.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> Yukteshwar's

> > > The

> > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > fascinating

> > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for

> 1894,

> > > but

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > > Equinoxes

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

> Astrology

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It

> is

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha

> or

> > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple

> of

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and

> he

> > > found

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da!

> When

> > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > trunk-full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is

> so

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > > Rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of

> it.

> > > This

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and

> we

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > > arrive

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value

> was

> > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in

> 1912.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was

> using

> > > and

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using

> the

> > > value

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed,

> hence

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

> against

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not

> mean

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> deprived

> > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but

> it

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that

> Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > > chalenge

> > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i

> never

> > > felt

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

> obtained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > > because i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH

> with

> > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a

> malefic

> > > venus

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a

> maraka is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> Lagna.No

> > > body

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow

> suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if

> you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

> indicate

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > > dont

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am

> ready

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and

> lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> house,

> > > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july

> 1902,

> > > It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

> conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting

> Libra

> > > his

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th

> lord

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

> exaltation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that

> there

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

> of

> > > Makar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this

> article, I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this

> study to

> > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> efflorescence of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh

> who

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > > diving

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> graduate as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> astrology,

> > > who

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the

> Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time

> is

> > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > > 1863's

> > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of

> how

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > horoscope

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first

> time,

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he

> got

> > > such a

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts

> of

> > > swami

> > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna

> begins at

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now,

> Babu

> > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > > needs

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > > though,

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be

> Makara

> > > only

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information

> as

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He

> has

> > > > > printed

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna,

> few

> > > more

> > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

> Calcutta

> > > at

> > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> Vishwanath

> > > Datta

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> generous,

> > > and

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > > matters.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart

> with

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father

> was

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in

> his

> > > life

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you

> get

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > > cause a

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> deprived

> > > > > state,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult to

> > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in

> 12'th

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as

> well

> > > as

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu

> lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > > 10'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > > mother

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child,

> needless

> > > to

> > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though

> Saturn is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord

> mars

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from

> 10'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

> mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a

> bad

> > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn

> who

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > > aspect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings,

> saturn's

> > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > > thus

> > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There

> is a

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get

> Mars

> > > as

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th

> house,

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

> Swamiji

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics

> as a

> > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he

> was

> > > a

> > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > > other

> > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal

> and

> > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two

> ustads,

> > > Beni

> > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and

> learning

> > > of

> > > > > music,

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > education,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th

> and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this

> has

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you

> get

> > > no

> > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th

> and

> > > 6'th

> > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

> lagna,

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> aspecting

> > > 4'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna,

> this

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and

> yoga.

> > > It

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further,

> Saturn

> > > from

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long

> bout of

> > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by

> his

> > > guru

> > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is,

> infact, a

> > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology)

> with

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

> houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> materialistic

> > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust

> for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus

> and

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement

> in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart,

> Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > > There it

> > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role

> in

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya

> of

> > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with

> Mars in

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > > qualities

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression.

> Jup's

> > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened

> in

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd

> and

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's

> 3rd

> > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern

> times

> > > and

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread

> true

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > connection

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > > Rahu's

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna

> chart,

> > > You

> > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's

> dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life.

> In

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to

> 2nd

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this

> Merc

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

> Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to

> read

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna

> chart,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs

> in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son

> of

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > > answer,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > combination

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > combination

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes

> him a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be

> not a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n

> vivid

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami

> ji

> > > was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> combination

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > > person

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

> present

> > > in

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th

> and

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > > Mars

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with

> the

> > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini,

> It's

> > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has

> 12'th

> > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th

> and

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > contribute

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that

> w'd be

> > > a

> > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Krishna_jee,

 

Although it may seem as if all those remarks were directed at you, but that is

the nature of the thread structure. I just picked one of the better messages

from many that came forth from a variety of folks. Hopefull one or more of those

were self-realized and speaking from direct experience.

 

So, my apologies for trying to cover several things in one posting, and making

you misinterpret that I was criticising you or your post, etc. I was giving my

point of view and being a very worldly and pragmatic person thought I will

inject some 'here and now' in the thread. Once again, not implying that your

posting was hairy-fairy in any way, shape or form! I am assuming that you are

the Jyotishi that wrote a very nice research article on couples with significant

age differences and if you, your work was impressive :-)

 

That said, we all make a lot of assumptions about soul and what it is, what its

purpose is and how it communicates with the earthly reality, the body and mind

and so on. In doing so, my thinking is that people often visualize or

conceptualize this mysterious and mystical *entity* called soul or SOUL as an

ENTITY. A body of sorts and when we do that, there arises the need to have it

communicate with several layers or nuances of existance that the Human

Experiences. I say human because that is all I have experienced and for all I

know or care, probably dogs and cats, tigers and alligators and oak or bargad

trees also perhaps have souls and some communication between their soul and

their 'mind' or whatever.

 

I think due to scriptural references and high-level yogic thinking, mind has

been whipped around by religion and religious types a bit too much and unfairly!

Perhaps it is something that we all would need to discard someday, but right now

-- living in and clinging to this mundane reality, we would be hypocrites if we

keep enjoying the fruits of our minds (all worldly professions and benefits of a

modern life and so on) and pooh-poohing it at the same time!

 

Once again, none of this is specifically directed at you, so please do not feel

sensitive about this post if it rubs you the wrong way. That certainly has not

been my intention.

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

>

> The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or without

mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to whether mind

is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind, soul,

conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

>

> However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages

going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our

mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and

slowing us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind

to type our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy,

abhorrant body to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be

able to pay for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

>

> While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

>

> CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

>

> Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

>

> I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

>

> Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why

can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is capable

on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul is

concerned mind is irrelevant.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..>

> >

> > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > -gopi.

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > publicly

> > > > and

> > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> > wait

> > > > to

> > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > Kriya

> > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > close

> > > > to

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > the

> > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > cause

> > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > Yogi

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > amulet!). I

> > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > around!

> > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > > material.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> > The

> > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > fascinating

> > > > theory

> > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> > but

> > > > used

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > Equinoxes

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> > to

> > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > Kriya

> > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > found

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > trunk-full

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > Rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > This

> > > > is,

> > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > arrive

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> > and

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > value

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> > your

> > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > that

> > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> > to

> > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > Vedic

> > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > chalenge

> > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > lagna

> > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > Kriya

> > > > yogi

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > felt

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > > from

> > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > because i

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > lagna

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > > gulika

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > venus

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> > an

> > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > body

> > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > take

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > > short

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > dont

> > > > know

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> > of

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> > It

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > his

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > > since

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sa\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> > Makar

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > was

> > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > diving

> > > > in

> > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> > who

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > 1863's

> > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > Bengal in

> > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > horoscope

> > > > came

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > Sri

> > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > Swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > such a

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > swami

> > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > > very

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > needs

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > though,

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > only

> > > > but

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > > printed

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> > more

> > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> > at

> > > > 6:33

> > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > Datta

> > > > was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> > and

> > > > had

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > matters.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > austerities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> > an

> > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > life

> > > > time,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > > Sun,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > cause a

> > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > state,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult to

> > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > 10'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > mother

> > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > to

> > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > affliction to

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> > is

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > aspect

> > > > on

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > further,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > thus

> > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > Saturn

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > inadequate

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> > as

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > > should

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> > a

> > > > BA,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > other

> > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > Beni

> > > > Gupta

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > of

> > > > music,

> > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > education,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > no

> > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> > 6'th

> > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> > 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > 4'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> > It

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > in

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > from

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> > guru

> > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > > Shapt

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> > and

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> > lord

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > There it

> > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > spiritual

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> > in

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > qualities

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > Jup's

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> > and

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > connection

> > > > with

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > Rahu's

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > died,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > You

> > > > get a

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> > is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > 9'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > divine

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > answer,

> > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > combination

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > combination

> > > > find

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > 10'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > which is

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> > was

> > > > born

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > > present

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > person

> > > > with

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> > in

> > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > Mars

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > contribute

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> > a

> > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted in

ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in MT in

his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga and

went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa which

according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for your

wish to be fulfilled...

-gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

>

> Best of Luck!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > RR ji,

> > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about

or

> > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

Mahatmas

> > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge

--

> > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > >

> > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably the

> > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > others!!!....

> > -gopi.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities,

> > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

compartmentalized

> > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

Without

> > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the

Great

> > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

etc),

> > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to describe

the

> > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

worldly!

> > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and elsewhere!

> > >

> > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these

> > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the

> > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

microsoft

> > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant, and

> > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and so

on

> > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

grocery

> > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for work

> > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to

pay

> > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

> > >

> > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about

or

> > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

Mahatmas

> > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge

--

> > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > >

> > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > >

> > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > >

> > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

waste

> > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

evolved

> > and continuing to do so!

> > >

> > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

purpose

> > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see.

It is

> > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far

as

> > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

mind

> > did

> > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > -gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

experiences

> > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

filled.Any

> > way

> > > > i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

responding

> > > > publicly

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

LAKSHMAN

> > REKHA

> > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may

> > have to

> > > > wait

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised

that

> > a

> > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind

and

> > soul

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset

:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards

> > from

> > > > close

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this

> > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

problems

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and

it

> > can

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times

:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that

Swami

> > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > obviously

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much

for

> > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography

of

> > a

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

astrology

> > and

> > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata

of

> > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that

would

> > cast

> > > > a

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept

secret

> > for

> > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake

> > data

> > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

superficially-

> > read

> > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > Yukteshwar's

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > > fascinating

> > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha

for

> > 1894,

> > > > but

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

since

> > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

> > Astrology

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out

C=It

> > is

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

ayanamsha

> > or

> > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

disciple

> > of

> > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer

and

> > he

> > > > found

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da!

> > When

> > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and

seek,

> > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it

is

> > so

> > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about

it!

> > > > Rather

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery

of

> > it.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel

and

> > we

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in

Holy

> > > > science

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you

will

> > > > arrive

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894

value

> > was

> > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born

in

> > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

safely

> > > > assume

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he

was

> > using

> > > > and

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift

to

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

using

> > the

> > > > value

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

needed,

> > hence

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

> > against

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does

not

> > mean

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> > deprived

> > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> > Indian

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna

but

> > it

> > > > can

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

that

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can

not

> > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's

Leo

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

being a

> > > > Kriya

> > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i

> > never

> > > > felt

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

> > obtained

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

just

> > > > because i

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or

that

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his

9thH

> > with

> > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a

> > malefic

> > > > venus

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a

> > maraka is

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > Lagna.No

> > > > body

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna

with

> > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

follow

> > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

if

> > you

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

house,

> > this

> > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

> > indicate

> > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs

now.I

> > > > dont

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I

am

> > ready

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time

and

> > lagna

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if

you

> > take

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > house,

> > > > this

> > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

july

> > 1902,

> > > > It

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

> > conjunct

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting

> > Libra

> > > > his

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th

> > lord

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

> > exaltation

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave

this

> > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

E2%80%99s-

> > maha-sam\

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that

> > there

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

Study

> > of

> > > > Makar

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of

Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this

> > article, I

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this

> > study to

> > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > efflorescence of

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

Singh

> > who

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt

water

> > > > diving

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > graduate as

> > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > astrology,

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name

of

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the

> > Swami

> > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth

time

> > is

> > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12

Jan

> > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated

in

> > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account

of

> > how

> > > > he

> > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first

> > time,

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah "

gave

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how

he

> > got

> > > > such a

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after

that

> > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

charts

> > of

> > > > swami

> > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna

> > begins at

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon,

Now,

> > Babu

> > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question

that

> > > > needs

> > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami

Ji,

> > > > though,

> > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be

> > Makara

> > > > only

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

information

> > as

> > > > he

> > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time,

He

> > has

> > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

lagna

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

book on

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar

Lagna,

> > few

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

> > Calcutta

> > > > at

> > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of

Makra

> > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > Vishwanath

> > > > Datta

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > generous,

> > > > and

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

religious

> > > > matters.

> > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

practiced

> > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a

son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

chart

> > with

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza :

Father

> > was

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty

in

> > his

> > > > life

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart

you

> > get

> > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in

lagna

> > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> > deprived

> > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> > Indian

> > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > astrology

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in

> > 12'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza

as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

Dhanu

> > lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

conjunction in

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th

from

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a

superb

> > > > mother

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child,

> > needless

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though

> > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th

lord

> > mars

> > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect

from

> > 10'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

> > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died

in a

> > bad

> > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is

no

> > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

Saturn

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

Saturn's

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings,

> > saturn's

> > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's

death,

> > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's

aspect

> > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

house,

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

There

> > is a

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected

by

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

shows

> > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you

get

> > Mars

> > > > as

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

11'th

> > house,

> > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

> > Swamiji

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

mathematics

> > as a

> > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

Arts, he

> > was

> > > > a

> > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature,

and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both

vocal

> > and

> > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two

> > ustads,

> > > > Beni

> > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and

> > learning

> > > > of

> > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > > education,

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the

5'th

> > and

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna,

this

> > has

> > > > given

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna,

you

> > get

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th,

5'th

> > and

> > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

> > lagna,

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > aspecting

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

Lagna,

> > this

> > > > is

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports

and

> > yoga.

> > > > It

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > interested

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further,

> > Saturn

> > > > from

> > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long

> > bout of

> > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen

by

> > his

> > > > guru

> > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is,

> > infact, a

> > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology)

> > with

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

> > houses

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in

Dhanu

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > materialistic

> > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable

lust

> > for

> > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord

Venus

> > and

> > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

placement

> > in

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

chart,

> > Lagna

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

blessings,

> > > > There it

> > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

exceptional

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant

role

> > in

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into

maya

> > of

> > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you

get

> > ketu

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with

> > Mars in

> > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving

him

> > > > qualities

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression.

> > Jup's

> > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

happened

> > in

> > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the

3rd

> > and

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of

Jup's

> > 3rd

> > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

modern

> > times

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

spread

> > true

> > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > > connection

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It

was

> > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna

> > chart,

> > > > You

> > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami

ji's

> > dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's

life.

> > In

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone

to

> > 2nd

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever,

this

> > Merc

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana).

How

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

> > Swami

> > > > Ji's

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability

to

> > read

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

lagna

> > chart,

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who

is

> > > > conjunct

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

occurs

> > in

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a

son

> > of

> > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can

you

> > > > answer,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > > combination

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > > combination

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th

and

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

makes

> > him a

> > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

(tula)

> > > > which is

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he

be

> > not a

> > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big

n

> > vivid

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare

Swami

> > ji

> > > > was

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > combination

> > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

seen a

> > > > person

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

> > present

> > > > in

> > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in

5'th

> > and

> > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

well as

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini

with

> > the

> > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

Kundalini,

> > It's

> > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and

has

> > 12'th

> > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in

9'th

> > and

> > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > > contribute

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

that

> > w'd be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which

falls

> > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Rohini ji,

 

Thanks for clarifying that your words were not directed at me personally. But,

it is OK even if you were at it. Because, in my opinion, I feel I have not said

anything wrong or have not crossed my line, when I re-read my post even now.

That is most important to me. Hence, there is no need to apologize :-)

 

Yes, I am the same individual who wrote about the astrological combination for

big age difference in relationships. Thanks for your sincere feedback. It always

feels good to receive feedback on ones work.

 

It is obvious that mind is an important factor to live in this world as it

controls our senses which touch and feel this world. There was no contention

about this aspect, at least from my side. I would be a fool to say mind is

irrelevant to live in this world. But, at the same time, I believe it is an

hindrance in realizing the higher Self. To decide whether mind has been whipped

around unfairly, one should look at the context in which such comments have been

made. Otherwise, we could get this totally wrong. I agree all this is bookish

knowledge for me at this point in time. I have to make a start somewhere :-)

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Wed, 27 January, 2010 4:31:36 AM

Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

 

Krishna_jee,

 

Although it may seem as if all those remarks were directed at you, but that is

the nature of the thread structure. I just picked one of the better messages

from many that came forth from a variety of folks. Hopefull one or more of those

were self-realized and speaking from direct experience.

 

So, my apologies for trying to cover several things in one posting, and making

you misinterpret that I was criticising you or your post, etc. I was giving my

point of view and being a very worldly and pragmatic person thought I will

inject some 'here and now' in the thread. Once again, not implying that your

posting was hairy-fairy in any way, shape or form! I am assuming that you are

the Jyotishi that wrote a very nice research article on couples with significant

age differences and if you, your work was impressive :-)

 

That said, we all make a lot of assumptions about soul and what it is, what its

purpose is and how it communicates with the earthly reality, the body and mind

and so on. In doing so, my thinking is that people often visualize or

conceptualize this mysterious and mystical *entity* called soul or SOUL as an

ENTITY. A body of sorts and when we do that, there arises the need to have it

communicate with several layers or nuances of existance that the Human

Experiences. I say human because that is all I have experienced and for all I

know or care, probably dogs and cats, tigers and alligators and oak or bargad

trees also perhaps have souls and some communication between their soul and

their 'mind' or whatever.

 

I think due to scriptural references and high-level yogic thinking, mind has

been whipped around by religion and religious types a bit too much and unfairly!

Perhaps it is something that we all would need to discard someday, but right now

-- living in and clinging to this mundane reality, we would be hypocrites if we

keep enjoying the fruits of our minds (all worldly professions and benefits of a

modern life and so on) and pooh-poohing it at the same time!

 

Once again, none of this is specifically directed at you, so please do not feel

sensitive about this post if it rubs you the wrong way. That certainly has not

been my intention.

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

>

> The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or without

mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to whether mind

is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Krishna ji,

>

> I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind, soul,

conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

>

> However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages

going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our

mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and

slowing us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind

to type our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy,

abhorrant body to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be

able to pay for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

>

> While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

>

> CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

>

> Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

>

> I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

>

> Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why

can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is capable

on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul is

concerned mind is irrelevant.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..>

> >

> > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > -gopi.

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > publicly

> > > > and

> > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> > wait

> > > > to

> > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > Kriya

> > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > close

> > > > to

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > the

> > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > cause

> > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > Yogi

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > amulet!). I

> > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > around!

> > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > > material.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> > The

> > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > fascinating

> > > > theory

> > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> > but

> > > > used

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > Equinoxes

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> > to

> > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > Kriya

> > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > found

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > trunk-full

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > Rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > This

> > > > is,

> > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > arrive

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> > and

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > value

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> > your

> > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > that

> > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> > to

> > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > Vedic

> > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > chalenge

> > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > lagna

> > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > Kriya

> > > > yogi

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > felt

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > > from

> > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > because i

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > lagna

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > > gulika

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > venus

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> > an

> > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > body

> > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > take

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > > short

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > dont

> > > > know

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> > of

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > this

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> > It

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > his

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > > since

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sa\

> > \

> > > > \

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> > Makar

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > was

> > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > diving

> > > > in

> > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> > who

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > 1863's

> > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > Bengal in

> > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > horoscope

> > > > came

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > Sri

> > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > Swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > such a

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > swami

> > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > > very

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > needs

> > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > though,

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > only

> > > > but

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > he

> > > > got a

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > > printed

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> > more

> > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> > at

> > > > 6:33

> > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > Datta

> > > > was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> > and

> > > > had

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > matters.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > austerities

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> > an

> > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > life

> > > > time,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > > Sun,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > cause a

> > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > state,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > difficult to

> > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > 10'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > 4'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > mother

> > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > to

> > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > affliction to

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> > is

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > aspect

> > > > on

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > further,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > thus

> > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > Saturn

> > > > there

> > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > inadequate

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> > as

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > > should

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> > a

> > > > BA,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > other

> > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > Beni

> > > > Gupta

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > of

> > > > music,

> > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > education,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > no

> > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> > 6'th

> > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> > 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > 4'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> > It

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > in

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > from

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> > guru

> > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > > Shapt

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> > and

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> > lord

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > There it

> > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > spiritual

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> > in

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > qualities

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > Jup's

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> > and

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > connection

> > > > with

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > Rahu's

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > died,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > You

> > > > get a

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> > is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > conjunct

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > 9'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > divine

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > answer,

> > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > combination

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > combination

> > > > find

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > 10'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > which is

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > > business

> > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > > question

> > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> > was

> > > > born

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > > present

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > person

> > > > with

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> > in

> > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > Mars

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > contribute

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> > a

> > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

 

Every thing happens(realization) in only mind ! Nothing is beyond the

mind,different stages of mind makes the differences personality of this world.

 

Mokash is also a state of mind where everything is very clear about all creation

of this universe.A wise mind said that " God " is the best creation of human

mind.In " Geeta " ,7th chapter says everything about what is the God and what is

the state of God.Absolute knowledge is God.

 

Everything which we read,experience,feelings (good &

Bad),assume,emotions,imaginations-realization,Even the all pictures of God is

also in only in our mind.Mind have immanence power which can be achieve by only

few personality as like Ramkishana Paramhansa and Buddha.

 

What is the " Yoga " ,meditation or any " kiriya-yoga " they all just to stop the all

other waves which corrupt the mind.We are ingredients of " Satavik " .Rahsik " and

" Tamsik " tatava.If we can remove the rajsik and tamsik tatva from our mind than

we will at pure Satvik stage as like Ramakirishana or Buddha.Nothing else.

 

It is my personal views every can differ.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> Thanks for clarifying that your words were not directed at me personally. But,

it is OK even if you were at it. Because, in my opinion, I feel I have not said

anything wrong or have not crossed my line, when I re-read my post even now.

That is most important to me. Hence, there is no need to apologize :-)

>

> Yes, I am the same individual who wrote about the astrological combination for

big age difference in relationships. Thanks for your sincere feedback. It always

feels good to receive feedback on ones work.

>

> It is obvious that mind is an important factor to live in this world as it

controls our senses which touch and feel this world. There was no contention

about this aspect, at least from my side. I would be a fool to say mind is

irrelevant to live in this world. But, at the same time, I believe it is an

hindrance in realizing the higher Self. To decide whether mind has been whipped

around unfairly, one should look at the context in which such comments have been

made. Otherwise, we could get this totally wrong. I agree all this is bookish

knowledge for me at this point in time. I have to make a start somewhere :-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Wed, 27 January, 2010 4:31:36 AM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Krishna_jee,

>

> Although it may seem as if all those remarks were directed at you, but that is

the nature of the thread structure. I just picked one of the better messages

from many that came forth from a variety of folks. Hopefull one or more of those

were self-realized and speaking from direct experience.

>

> So, my apologies for trying to cover several things in one posting, and making

you misinterpret that I was criticising you or your post, etc. I was giving my

point of view and being a very worldly and pragmatic person thought I will

inject some 'here and now' in the thread. Once again, not implying that your

posting was hairy-fairy in any way, shape or form! I am assuming that you are

the Jyotishi that wrote a very nice research article on couples with significant

age differences and if you, your work was impressive :-)

>

> That said, we all make a lot of assumptions about soul and what it is, what

its purpose is and how it communicates with the earthly reality, the body and

mind and so on. In doing so, my thinking is that people often visualize or

conceptualize this mysterious and mystical *entity* called soul or SOUL as an

ENTITY. A body of sorts and when we do that, there arises the need to have it

communicate with several layers or nuances of existance that the Human

Experiences. I say human because that is all I have experienced and for all I

know or care, probably dogs and cats, tigers and alligators and oak or bargad

trees also perhaps have souls and some communication between their soul and

their 'mind' or whatever.

>

> I think due to scriptural references and high-level yogic thinking, mind has

been whipped around by religion and religious types a bit too much and unfairly!

Perhaps it is something that we all would need to discard someday, but right now

-- living in and clinging to this mundane reality, we would be hypocrites if we

keep enjoying the fruits of our minds (all worldly professions and benefits of a

modern life and so on) and pooh-poohing it at the same time!

>

> Once again, none of this is specifically directed at you, so please do not

feel sensitive about this post if it rubs you the wrong way. That certainly has

not been my intention.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini ji,

> >

> > Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

> >

> > The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or

without mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to

whether mind is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind,

soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

> >

> > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages

going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our

mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and

slowing us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind

to type our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy,

abhorrant body to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be

able to pay for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

> >

> > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> >

> > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> >

> > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> >

> > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

> >

> > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why

can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul

is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..>

> > >

> > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > > publicly

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> > > wait

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > > close

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > > the

> > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > > cause

> > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > > Yogi

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > > around!

> > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > > > material.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> > > The

> > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > fascinating

> > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> > > but

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > > Equinoxes

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > > found

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > trunk-full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > > Rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > > This

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > > arrive

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> > > and

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > > value

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > > chalenge

> > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > > felt

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > > because i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > > venus

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > > body

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > > dont

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> > > It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > > his

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sa\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> > > Makar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > > diving

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> > > who

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > > 1863's

> > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > horoscope

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > > such a

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > > swami

> > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > > needs

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > > though,

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > > only

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > > > printed

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> > > more

> > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> > > at

> > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > > Datta

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> > > and

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > > matters.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > > life

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > > cause a

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult to

> > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> > > as

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > > 10'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > > mother

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > > to

> > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > > aspect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > > thus

> > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> > > as

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> > > a

> > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > > other

> > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > > Beni

> > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > > of

> > > > > music,

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > education,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > > no

> > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> > > 6'th

> > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > > 4'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> > > It

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > > from

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> > > guru

> > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > > There it

> > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > > qualities

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> > > and

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > connection

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > > Rahu's

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > > You

> > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > > answer,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > combination

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > combination

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> > > was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > > person

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> > > in

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > > Mars

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > contribute

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> > > a

> > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Krishna-jee,

 

I am glad that we got this chance to exchange our thoughts. It is a rare treat

these days in certain domains to speak to people capable of clear thinking and

expressing the same duly. Thanks for being one such person.

 

I am in full agreement that for that for the ultimate development of the Human

Potential, in other words, to fully identify with and become one with the

highest essence that exists within all of us, some call it Soul, others inner

God, or simply GOD -- the world, its worldly ways, its essential instruments be

those be the senses or the mind or several other nuances described for the same

-- would be deterrants.

 

However, I have also observed that several individuals leave the worldly reality

prematurely and are then 'made' to return to worldly Maya to finish their DUES

before leaving the mind behind! It almost seems as if one cannot leave the

worldly ways whenever and expect to become a Sanyaasi and attain

self-realization.

 

I am not talking about " weekend-warriors " as some " yogis " and spiritualists have

been known to be as! Present company excepted in this forum, of course!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> Thanks for clarifying that your words were not directed at me personally. But,

it is OK even if you were at it. Because, in my opinion, I feel I have not said

anything wrong or have not crossed my line, when I re-read my post even now.

That is most important to me. Hence, there is no need to apologize :-)

>

> Yes, I am the same individual who wrote about the astrological combination for

big age difference in relationships. Thanks for your sincere feedback. It always

feels good to receive feedback on ones work.

>

> It is obvious that mind is an important factor to live in this world as it

controls our senses which touch and feel this world. There was no contention

about this aspect, at least from my side. I would be a fool to say mind is

irrelevant to live in this world. But, at the same time, I believe it is an

hindrance in realizing the higher Self. To decide whether mind has been whipped

around unfairly, one should look at the context in which such comments have been

made. Otherwise, we could get this totally wrong. I agree all this is bookish

knowledge for me at this point in time. I have to make a start somewhere :-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Wed, 27 January, 2010 4:31:36 AM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Krishna_jee,

>

> Although it may seem as if all those remarks were directed at you, but that is

the nature of the thread structure. I just picked one of the better messages

from many that came forth from a variety of folks. Hopefull one or more of those

were self-realized and speaking from direct experience.

>

> So, my apologies for trying to cover several things in one posting, and making

you misinterpret that I was criticising you or your post, etc. I was giving my

point of view and being a very worldly and pragmatic person thought I will

inject some 'here and now' in the thread. Once again, not implying that your

posting was hairy-fairy in any way, shape or form! I am assuming that you are

the Jyotishi that wrote a very nice research article on couples with significant

age differences and if you, your work was impressive :-)

>

> That said, we all make a lot of assumptions about soul and what it is, what

its purpose is and how it communicates with the earthly reality, the body and

mind and so on. In doing so, my thinking is that people often visualize or

conceptualize this mysterious and mystical *entity* called soul or SOUL as an

ENTITY. A body of sorts and when we do that, there arises the need to have it

communicate with several layers or nuances of existance that the Human

Experiences. I say human because that is all I have experienced and for all I

know or care, probably dogs and cats, tigers and alligators and oak or bargad

trees also perhaps have souls and some communication between their soul and

their 'mind' or whatever.

>

> I think due to scriptural references and high-level yogic thinking, mind has

been whipped around by religion and religious types a bit too much and unfairly!

Perhaps it is something that we all would need to discard someday, but right now

-- living in and clinging to this mundane reality, we would be hypocrites if we

keep enjoying the fruits of our minds (all worldly professions and benefits of a

modern life and so on) and pooh-poohing it at the same time!

>

> Once again, none of this is specifically directed at you, so please do not

feel sensitive about this post if it rubs you the wrong way. That certainly has

not been my intention.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini ji,

> >

> > Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

> >

> > The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or

without mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to

whether mind is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind,

soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

> >

> > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages

going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our

mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and

slowing us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind

to type our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy,

abhorrant body to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be

able to pay for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

> >

> > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> >

> > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> >

> > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> >

> > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

> >

> > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why

can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul

is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..>

> > >

> > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > > publicly

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> > > wait

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > > close

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > > the

> > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > > cause

> > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > > Yogi

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > > around!

> > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > > > material.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> > > The

> > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > fascinating

> > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> > > but

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > > Equinoxes

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > > found

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > trunk-full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > > Rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > > This

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > > arrive

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> > > and

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > > value

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > > chalenge

> > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > > felt

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > > because i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > > venus

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > > body

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > > dont

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> > > It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > > his

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sa\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> > > Makar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > > diving

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> > > who

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > > 1863's

> > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > horoscope

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > > such a

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > > swami

> > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > > needs

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > > though,

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > > only

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > > > printed

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> > > more

> > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> > > at

> > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > > Datta

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> > > and

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > > matters.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > > life

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > > cause a

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult to

> > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> > > as

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > > 10'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > > mother

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > > to

> > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > > aspect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > > thus

> > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> > > as

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> > > a

> > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > > other

> > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > > Beni

> > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > > of

> > > > > music,

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > education,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > > no

> > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> > > 6'th

> > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > > 4'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> > > It

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > > from

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> > > guru

> > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > > There it

> > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > > qualities

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> > > and

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > connection

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > > Rahu's

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > > You

> > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > > answer,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > combination

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > combination

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> > > was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > > person

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> > > in

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > > Mars

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > contribute

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> > > a

> > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very uncivil of me

;-)

 

Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks make the

mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over... ;-)

 

RR

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted in

> ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

> will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in MT in

> his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga and

> went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa which

> according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for your

> wish to be fulfilled...

> -gopi.

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

> telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> >

> > Best of Luck!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > RR ji,

> > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about

> or

> > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> Mahatmas

> > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge

> --

> > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > >

> > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably the

> > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > > others!!!....

> > > -gopi.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities,

> > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> compartmentalized

> > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

> Without

> > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the

> Great

> > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

> etc),

> > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to describe

> the

> > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

> worldly!

> > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and elsewhere!

> > > >

> > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these

> > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the

> > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

> microsoft

> > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant, and

> > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and so

> on

> > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

> grocery

> > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for work

> > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able to

> pay

> > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> lessons!).

> > > >

> > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about

> or

> > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> Mahatmas

> > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge

> --

> > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > >

> > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > >

> > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > >

> > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

> waste

> > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

> evolved

> > > and continuing to do so!

> > > >

> > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

> purpose

> > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see.

> It is

> > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far

> as

> > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > >

> > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

> mind

> > > did

> > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

> experiences

> > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

> filled.Any

> > > way

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

> responding

> > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

> LAKSHMAN

> > > REKHA

> > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may

> > > have to

> > > > > wait

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised

> that

> > > a

> > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind

> and

> > > soul

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset

> :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards

> > > from

> > > > > close

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this

> > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

> problems

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and

> it

> > > can

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times

> :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that

> Swami

> > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > > obviously

> > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much

> for

> > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography

> of

> > > a

> > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

> astrology

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata

> of

> > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that

> would

> > > cast

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept

> secret

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake

> > > data

> > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> superficially-

> > > read

> > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha

> for

> > > 1894,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

> since

> > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in

> > > Astrology

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out

> C=It

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

> ayanamsha

> > > or

> > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

> disciple

> > > of

> > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer

> and

> > > he

> > > > > found

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da!

> > > When

> > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and

> seek,

> > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it

> is

> > > so

> > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about

> it!

> > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery

> of

> > > it.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel

> and

> > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in

> Holy

> > > > > science

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you

> will

> > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894

> value

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born

> in

> > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

> safely

> > > > > assume

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he

> was

> > > using

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift

> to

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

> using

> > > the

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

> needed,

> > > hence

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

> suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or

> > > against

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does

> not

> > > mean

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> > > deprived

> > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> > > Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> astrology

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna

> but

> > > it

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

> that

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can

> not

> > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's

> Leo

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

> being a

> > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i

> > > never

> > > > > felt

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is

> > > obtained

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

> just

> > > > > because i

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or

> that

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his

> 9thH

> > > with

> > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a

> > > malefic

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a

> > > maraka is

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > > Lagna.No

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

> follow

> > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

> if

> > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> house,

> > > this

> > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also

> > > indicate

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs

> now.I

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I

> am

> > > ready

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time

> and

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if

> you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

> july

> > > 1902,

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was

> > > conjunct

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting

> > > Libra

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th

> > > lord

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in

> > > exaltation

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave

> this

> > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> E2%80%99s-

> > > maha-sam\

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that

> > > there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

> them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

> Study

> > > of

> > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of

> Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this

> > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this

> > > study to

> > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > > efflorescence of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

> Singh

> > > who

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt

> water

> > > > > diving

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > > graduate as

> > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > > astrology,

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name

> of

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the

> > > Swami

> > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth

> time

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12

> Jan

> > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated

> in

> > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account

> of

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first

> > > time,

> > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah "

> gave

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how

> he

> > > got

> > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after

> that

> > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

> charts

> > > of

> > > > > swami

> > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna

> > > begins at

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon,

> Now,

> > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question

> that

> > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami

> Ji,

> > > > > though,

> > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be

> > > Makara

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

> information

> > > as

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time,

> He

> > > has

> > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

> lagna

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

> book on

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar

> Lagna,

> > > few

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally,

> > > Calcutta

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of

> Makra

> > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > > Vishwanath

> > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > > generous,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

> religious

> > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> practiced

> > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a

> son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

> chart

> > > with

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza :

> Father

> > > was

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty

> in

> > > his

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart

> you

> > > get

> > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in

> lagna

> > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a

> > > deprived

> > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those

> > > Indian

> > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in

> > > 12'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza

> as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

> Dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> conjunction in

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th

> from

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a

> superb

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child,

> > > needless

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though

> > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th

> lord

> > > mars

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect

> from

> > > 10'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's

> > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died

> in a

> > > bad

> > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is

> no

> > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

> Saturn

> > > who

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

> Saturn's

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings,

> > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's

> death,

> > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's

> aspect

> > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

> house,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

> There

> > > is a

> > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected

> by

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

> shows

> > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you

> get

> > > Mars

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

> 11'th

> > > house,

> > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself,

> > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

> mathematics

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

> Arts, he

> > > was

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature,

> and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both

> vocal

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two

> > > ustads,

> > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and

> > > learning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > > > education,

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the

> 5'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna,

> this

> > > has

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna,

> you

> > > get

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th,

> 5'th

> > > and

> > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama

> > > lagna,

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > > aspecting

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

> Lagna,

> > > this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports

> and

> > > yoga.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > > interested

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further,

> > > Saturn

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long

> > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen

> by

> > > his

> > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is,

> > > infact, a

> > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology)

> > > with

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th

> > > houses

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in

> Dhanu

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable

> lust

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord

> Venus

> > > and

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

> placement

> > > in

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

> chart,

> > > Lagna

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

> blessings,

> > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> exceptional

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant

> role

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into

> maya

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you

> get

> > > ketu

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with

> > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving

> him

> > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression.

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

> happened

> > > in

> > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the

> 3rd

> > > and

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of

> Jup's

> > > 3rd

> > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

> modern

> > > times

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

> spread

> > > true

> > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > > > connection

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It

> was

> > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

> period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna

> > > chart,

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami

> ji's

> > > dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's

> life.

> > > In

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone

> to

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever,

> this

> > > Merc

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana).

> How

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

> > > Swami

> > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability

> to

> > > read

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

> lagna

> > > chart,

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who

> is

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

> occurs

> > > in

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a

> son

> > > of

> > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can

> you

> > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th

> and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

> makes

> > > him a

> > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

> (tula)

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he

> be

> > > not a

> > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big

> n

> > > vivid

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare

> Swami

> > > ji

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > > combination

> > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

> seen a

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation

> > > present

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in

> 5'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

> well as

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

> Kundalini,

> > > It's

> > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and

> has

> > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in

> 9'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

> that

> > > w'd be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which

> falls

> > > > > today.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > removed]

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> > > removed]

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[Guest guest]

" get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy RR

jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

-gopi.

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very

uncivil of me ;-)

>

> Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks

make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over...

;-)

>

> RR

>

> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted

in

> > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

> > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in

MT in

> > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga

and

> > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa

which

> > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for

your

> > wish to be fulfilled...

> > -gopi.

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

> > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > >

> > > Best of Luck!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR ji,

> > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

about

> > or

> > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > Mahatmas

> > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

Knowledge

> > --

> > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > >

> > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably

the

> > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > > > others!!!....

> > > > -gopi.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

entities,

> > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > compartmentalized

> > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

> > Without

> > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all

the

> > Great

> > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

> > etc),

> > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

describe

> > the

> > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

> > worldly!

> > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

elsewhere!

> > > > >

> > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get

these

> > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on

the

> > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

> > microsoft

> > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant,

and

> > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and

so

> > on

> > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

> > grocery

> > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

work

> > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able

to

> > pay

> > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > lessons!).

> > > > >

> > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

about

> > or

> > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > Mahatmas

> > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

Knowledge

> > --

> > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > >

> > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > >

> > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > >

> > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

> > waste

> > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

> > evolved

> > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > >

> > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

> > purpose

> > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to

see.

> > It is

> > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As

far

> > as

> > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

> > mind

> > > > did

> > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

> > experiences

> > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

> > filled.Any

> > > > way

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

> > responding

> > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint

;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

> > LAKSHMAN

> > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You

may

> > > > have to

> > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

surprised

> > that

> > > > a

> > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body,

mind

> > and

> > > > soul

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant "

mindset

> > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information

cards

> > > > from

> > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and

this

> > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

> > problems

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing

and

> > it

> > > > can

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at

times

> > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting

that

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care

much

> > for

> > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

Autobiography

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

> > astrology

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

astrological

> > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

birthdata

> > of

> > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because

that

> > would

> > > > cast

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been

kept

> > secret

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a

fake

> > > > data

> > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to

do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > superficially-

> > > > read

> > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented

his

> > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

ayanamsha

> > for

> > > > 1894,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

> > since

> > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes

in

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought

out

> > C=It

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

> > ayanamsha

> > > > or

> > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

> > disciple

> > > > of

> > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

astrologer

> > and

> > > > he

> > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya

da!

> > > > When

> > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his

special

> > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide

and

> > seek,

> > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned

if it

> > is

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know

about

> > it!

> > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a

mockery

> > of

> > > > it.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and

Gretel

> > and

> > > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given

in

> > Holy

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds,

you

> > will

> > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the

1894

> > value

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was

born

> > in

> > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

> > safely

> > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that

he

> > was

> > > > using

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a

gift

> > to

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

> > using

> > > > the

> > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

> > needed,

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

> > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally

or

> > > > against

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse

does

> > not

> > > > mean

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in

a

> > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

was

> > > > difficult

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

those

> > > > Indian

> > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > astrology

> > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar

lagna

> > but

> > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

> > that

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we

can

> > not

> > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

yogananda's

> > Leo

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

> > being a

> > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me

and i

> > > > never

> > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU

is

> > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

> > just

> > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna

or

> > that

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

death,his

> > 9thH

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with

a

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth

a

> > > > maraka is

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar

Lagna

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

> > follow

> > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

degree,

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > house,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign

also

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am

57yrs

> > now.I

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

life/death.I

> > am

> > > > ready

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth

time

> > and

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

if

> > you

> > > > take

> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

12'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

> > july

> > > > 1902,

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn

was

> > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

transiting

> > > > Libra

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his

7'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was

in

> > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to

leave

> > this

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > E2%80%99s-

> > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief

that

> > > > there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

> > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

Comparative

> > Study

> > > > of

> > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother

of

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in

this

> > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate

this

> > > > study to

> > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

> > Singh

> > > > who

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

learnt

> > water

> > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen

Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the

name

> > of

> > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in

the

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no

birth

> > time

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on

12

> > Jan

> > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

celebrated

> > in

> > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire

account

> > of

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu

Lagna

> > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the

first

> > > > time,

> > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

Sangrah "

> > gave

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source

how

> > he

> > > > got

> > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating

after

> > that

> > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

> > charts

> > > > of

> > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar

Lagna

> > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at

noon,

> > Now,

> > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

question

> > that

> > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of

Swami

> > Ji,

> > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could

be

> > > > Makara

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

> > information

> > > > as

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth

Time,

> > He

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

> > lagna

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

> > book on

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with

Makar

> > Lagna,

> > > > few

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla

Pally,

> > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve

of

> > Makra

> > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

considered

> > > > generous,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

> > religious

> > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > practiced

> > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her

a

> > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

> > chart

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza

:

> > Father

> > > > was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

prperty

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna

chart

> > you

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun

in

> > lagna

> > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family

in a

> > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

was

> > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

those

> > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

extravaganza

> > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

Sun in

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

extravaganza

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

> > Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > conjunction in

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is

8'th

> > from

> > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such

a

> > superb

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

child,

> > > > needless

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even

though

> > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

4'th

> > lord

> > > > mars

> > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

aspect

> > from

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami

ji's

> > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister

died

> > in a

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there

is

> > no

> > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

> > Saturn

> > > > who

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

> > Saturn's

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

siblings,

> > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

sister's

> > death,

> > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

Mars's

> > aspect

> > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

> > house,

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

> > There

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th

aspected

> > by

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

> > shows

> > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart,

you

> > get

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

> > 11'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

yourself,

> > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

> > mathematics

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

> > Arts, he

> > > > was

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

literature,

> > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music,

both

> > vocal

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under

two

> > > > ustads,

> > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education

and

> > > > learning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami

Ji's

> > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus

the

> > 5'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

lagna,

> > this

> > > > has

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu

lagna,

> > you

> > > > get

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on

4'th,

> > 5'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

vargottama

> > > > lagna,

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

> > Lagna,

> > > > this

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in

sports

> > and

> > > > yoga.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > > > interested

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

further,

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating,

long

> > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's

seen

> > by

> > > > his

> > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji

is,

> > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

Mythology)

> > > > with

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and

9'th

> > > > houses

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather,

in

> > Dhanu

> > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

insatiable

> > lust

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th

lord

> > Venus

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the

rare

> > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

> > placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

> > chart,

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

> > blessings,

> > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > exceptional

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

significant

> > role

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one

into

> > maya

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart,

you

> > get

> > > > ketu

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka

with

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also

giving

> > him

> > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

expression.

> > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

> > happened

> > > > in

> > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup

the

> > 3rd

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because

of

> > Jup's

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

> > modern

> > > > times

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

> > spread

> > > > true

> > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds

no

> > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

chart, It

> > was

> > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when

Guru

> > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

> > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu

Lagna

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages,

Swami

> > ji's

> > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami

Ji's

> > life.

> > > > In

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is

gone

> > to

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

morever,

> > this

> > > > Merc

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

(Kamana).

> > How

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy

in

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

ability

> > to

> > > > read

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

> > lagna

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon,

who

> > is

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

> > occurs

> > > > in

> > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made

him a

> > son

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation :

Can

> > you

> > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it

a

> > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation,

what

> > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's

7'th

> > and

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

> > makes

> > > > him a

> > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

> > (tula)

> > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should

he

> > be

> > > > not a

> > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a

big

> > n

> > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

declare

> > Swami

> > > > ji

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > > > combination

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

> > seen a

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

renunciation

> > > > present

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu

in

> > 5'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

> > well as

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

Kundalini

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

> > Kundalini,

> > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house

and

> > has

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

in

> > 9'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and

w'd

> > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

> > that

> > > > w'd be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary

which

> > falls

> > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Another tirade begins on the tiny ant! This time by the Gopis as opposed to

RADHA_jee!

 

JAI GOPAALAM JAI GOBINDAAM!

 

Once gotten -- the insect must obey the COBWEB of MAYA-The SPIDER!! ;-)

 

Many names the Spider of MAYA has! As we see and experience on Internet that has

the greatest W-E-B!

 

RR

 

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy RR

> jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> -gopi.

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very

> uncivil of me ;-)

> >

> > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks

> make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over...

> ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted

> in

> > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

> > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in

> MT in

> > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga

> and

> > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa

> which

> > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for

> your

> > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

> > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> about

> > > or

> > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > Mahatmas

> > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> Knowledge

> > > --

> > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably

> the

> > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > > > > others!!!....

> > > > > -gopi.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> entities,

> > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > compartmentalized

> > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

> > > Without

> > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all

> the

> > > Great

> > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

> > > etc),

> > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> describe

> > > the

> > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

> > > worldly!

> > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> elsewhere!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get

> these

> > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on

> the

> > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

> > > microsoft

> > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant,

> and

> > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and

> so

> > > on

> > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

> > > grocery

> > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

> work

> > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able

> to

> > > pay

> > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > lessons!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> about

> > > or

> > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > Mahatmas

> > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> Knowledge

> > > --

> > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

> > > waste

> > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

> > > evolved

> > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

> > > purpose

> > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to

> see.

> > > It is

> > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As

> far

> > > as

> > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

> > > mind

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

> > > experiences

> > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

> > > filled.Any

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

> > > responding

> > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint

> ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

> > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You

> may

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> surprised

> > > that

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body,

> mind

> > > and

> > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant "

> mindset

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information

> cards

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and

> this

> > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

> > > problems

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing

> and

> > > it

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at

> times

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting

> that

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care

> much

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> Autobiography

> > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

> > > astrology

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> astrological

> > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> birthdata

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because

> that

> > > would

> > > > > cast

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been

> kept

> > > secret

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a

> fake

> > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to

> do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > superficially-

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented

> his

> > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> ayanamsha

> > > for

> > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

> > > since

> > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes

> in

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought

> out

> > > C=It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

> > > disciple

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> astrologer

> > > and

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya

> da!

> > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his

> special

> > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide

> and

> > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned

> if it

> > > is

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know

> about

> > > it!

> > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a

> mockery

> > > of

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and

> Gretel

> > > and

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given

> in

> > > Holy

> > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds,

> you

> > > will

> > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the

> 1894

> > > value

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was

> born

> > > in

> > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

> > > safely

> > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that

> he

> > > was

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a

> gift

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

> > > using

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

> > > needed,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

> > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally

> or

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse

> does

> > > not

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in

> a

> > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> was

> > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> those

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar

> lagna

> > > but

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

> > > that

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> yogananda's

> > > Leo

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

> > > being a

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me

> and i

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU

> is

> > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

> > > just

> > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna

> or

> > > that

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> death,his

> > > 9thH

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with

> a

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth

> a

> > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar

> Lagna

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

> > > follow

> > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

> degree,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign

> also

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am

> 57yrs

> > > now.I

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> life/death.I

> > > am

> > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth

> time

> > > and

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

> if

> > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

> 12'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

> > > july

> > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn

> was

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> transiting

> > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his

> 7'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was

> in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to

> leave

> > > this

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief

> that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

> > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> Comparative

> > > Study

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother

> of

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in

> this

> > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate

> this

> > > > > study to

> > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

> > > Singh

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> learnt

> > > water

> > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen

> Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the

> name

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in

> the

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no

> birth

> > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on

> 12

> > > Jan

> > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> celebrated

> > > in

> > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire

> account

> > > of

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the

> first

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> Sangrah "

> > > gave

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source

> how

> > > he

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating

> after

> > > that

> > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

> > > charts

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar

> Lagna

> > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at

> noon,

> > > Now,

> > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> question

> > > that

> > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of

> Swami

> > > Ji,

> > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could

> be

> > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

> > > information

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth

> Time,

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

> > > book on

> > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with

> Makar

> > > Lagna,

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla

> Pally,

> > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve

> of

> > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> considered

> > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

> > > religious

> > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her

> a

> > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza

> :

> > > Father

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> prperty

> > > in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna

> chart

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun

> in

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family

> in a

> > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> was

> > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> those

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> extravaganza

> > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> Sun in

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> extravaganza

> > > as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is

> 8'th

> > > from

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such

> a

> > > superb

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> child,

> > > > > needless

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even

> though

> > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> 4'th

> > > lord

> > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> aspect

> > > from

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami

> ji's

> > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister

> died

> > > in a

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there

> is

> > > no

> > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

> > > Saturn

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> siblings,

> > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> sister's

> > > death,

> > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> Mars's

> > > aspect

> > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

> > > house,

> > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

> > > There

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

> > > shows

> > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart,

> you

> > > get

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

> > > 11'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> yourself,

> > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

> > > mathematics

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

> > > Arts, he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> literature,

> > > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music,

> both

> > > vocal

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under

> two

> > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education

> and

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami

> Ji's

> > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus

> the

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> lagna,

> > > this

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu

> lagna,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on

> 4'th,

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> vargottama

> > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

> > > Lagna,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in

> sports

> > > and

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> further,

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating,

> long

> > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's

> seen

> > > by

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji

> is,

> > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> Mythology)

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and

> 9'th

> > > > > houses

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather,

> in

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> insatiable

> > > lust

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th

> lord

> > > Venus

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the

> rare

> > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

> > > placement

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

> > > chart,

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

> > > blessings,

> > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > exceptional

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> significant

> > > role

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one

> into

> > > maya

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart,

> you

> > > get

> > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka

> with

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also

> giving

> > > him

> > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> expression.

> > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

> > > happened

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup

> the

> > > 3rd

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because

> of

> > > Jup's

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

> > > modern

> > > > > times

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

> > > spread

> > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds

> no

> > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> chart, It

> > > was

> > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when

> Guru

> > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

> > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages,

> Swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami

> Ji's

> > > life.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is

> gone

> > > to

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> morever,

> > > this

> > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> (Kamana).

> > > How

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy

> in

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> ability

> > > to

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

> > > lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon,

> who

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

> > > occurs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made

> him a

> > > son

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation :

> Can

> > > you

> > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it

> a

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation,

> what

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's

> 7'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

> > > makes

> > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

> > > (tula)

> > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should

> he

> > > be

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a

> big

> > > n

> > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> declare

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

> > > seen a

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> renunciation

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu

> in

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

> > > well as

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> Kundalini

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

> > > Kundalini,

> > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house

> and

> > > has

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

> in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and

> w'd

> > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

> > > that

> > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary

> which

> > > falls

> > > > > > > today.

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[Guest guest]

Krishnaa played, for our enlightenment, with the MAYA that 'Gopi's threw at him

even as they threw themselves at Him -- but He was enamoured by ...? ;-)

 

Once you can figure it out for YOURSELF, this thread dies...

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Another tirade begins on the tiny ant! This time by the Gopis as opposed to

RADHA_jee!

>

> JAI GOPAALAM JAI GOBINDAAM!

>

> Once gotten -- the insect must obey the COBWEB of MAYA-The SPIDER!! ;-)

>

> Many names the Spider of MAYA has! As we see and experience on Internet that

has the greatest W-E-B!

>

> RR

>

>

> , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> >

> > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy RR

> > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> > -gopi.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very

> > uncivil of me ;-)

> > >

> > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks

> > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over...

> > ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted

> > in

> > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

> > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in

> > MT in

> > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga

> > and

> > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa

> > which

> > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for

> > your

> > > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > > -gopi.

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

> > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> > about

> > > > or

> > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > Knowledge

> > > > --

> > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably

> > the

> > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > > > > > others!!!....

> > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> > entities,

> > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > > compartmentalized

> > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

> > > > Without

> > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all

> > the

> > > > Great

> > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

> > > > etc),

> > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> > describe

> > > > the

> > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

> > > > worldly!

> > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> > elsewhere!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get

> > these

> > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on

> > the

> > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

> > > > microsoft

> > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant,

> > and

> > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and

> > so

> > > > on

> > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

> > > > grocery

> > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

> > work

> > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able

> > to

> > > > pay

> > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > > lessons!).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> > about

> > > > or

> > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > Knowledge

> > > > --

> > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

> > > > waste

> > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

> > > > evolved

> > > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

> > > > purpose

> > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to

> > see.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As

> > far

> > > > as

> > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

> > > > mind

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

> > > > experiences

> > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

> > > > filled.Any

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

> > > > responding

> > > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint

> > ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

> > > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You

> > may

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> > surprised

> > > > that

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body,

> > mind

> > > > and

> > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant "

> > mindset

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information

> > cards

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and

> > this

> > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

> > > > problems

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at

> > times

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting

> > that

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care

> > much

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> > Autobiography

> > > > of

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> > astrological

> > > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> > birthdata

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because

> > that

> > > > would

> > > > > > cast

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been

> > kept

> > > > secret

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a

> > fake

> > > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to

> > do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > > superficially-

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented

> > his

> > > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> > ayanamsha

> > > > for

> > > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

> > > > since

> > > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes

> > in

> > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought

> > out

> > > > C=It

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

> > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

> > > > disciple

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> > astrologer

> > > > and

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya

> > da!

> > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his

> > special

> > > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide

> > and

> > > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned

> > if it

> > > > is

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know

> > about

> > > > it!

> > > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a

> > mockery

> > > > of

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and

> > Gretel

> > > > and

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given

> > in

> > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds,

> > you

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the

> > 1894

> > > > value

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was

> > born

> > > > in

> > > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

> > > > safely

> > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a

> > gift

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

> > > > using

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

> > > > needed,

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

> > > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally

> > or

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in

> > a

> > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> > was

> > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> > those

> > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> > > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar

> > lagna

> > > > but

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

> > > > that

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> > yogananda's

> > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me

> > and i

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU

> > is

> > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

> > > > just

> > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna

> > or

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> > death,his

> > > > 9thH

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with

> > a

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth

> > a

> > > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar

> > Lagna

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

> > > > follow

> > > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

> > degree,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign

> > also

> > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am

> > 57yrs

> > > > now.I

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> > life/death.I

> > > > am

> > > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth

> > time

> > > > and

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

> > 12'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

> > > > july

> > > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn

> > was

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> > transiting

> > > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his

> > 7'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was

> > in

> > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to

> > leave

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief

> > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> > Comparative

> > > > Study

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother

> > of

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in

> > this

> > > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate

> > this

> > > > > > study to

> > > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

> > > > Singh

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> > learnt

> > > > water

> > > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the

> > name

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in

> > the

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no

> > birth

> > > > time

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on

> > 12

> > > > Jan

> > > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> > celebrated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire

> > account

> > > > of

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the

> > first

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> > Sangrah "

> > > > gave

> > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source

> > how

> > > > he

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating

> > after

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

> > > > charts

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar

> > Lagna

> > > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at

> > noon,

> > > > Now,

> > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> > question

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of

> > Swami

> > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could

> > be

> > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

> > > > information

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth

> > Time,

> > > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

> > > > book on

> > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with

> > Makar

> > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla

> > Pally,

> > > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve

> > of

> > > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> > considered

> > > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

> > > > religious

> > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her

> > a

> > > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza

> > :

> > > > Father

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> > prperty

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna

> > chart

> > > > you

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun

> > in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family

> > in a

> > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> > was

> > > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> > those

> > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> > extravaganza

> > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> > Sun in

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> > extravaganza

> > > > as

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is

> > 8'th

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such

> > a

> > > > superb

> > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> > child,

> > > > > > needless

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even

> > though

> > > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> > 4'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> > aspect

> > > > from

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami

> > ji's

> > > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister

> > died

> > > > in a

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there

> > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

> > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> > siblings,

> > > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> > sister's

> > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> > Mars's

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

> > > > There

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart,

> > you

> > > > get

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

> > > > 11'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> > yourself,

> > > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

> > > > mathematics

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

> > > > Arts, he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> > literature,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music,

> > both

> > > > vocal

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under

> > two

> > > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education

> > and

> > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus

> > the

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> > lagna,

> > > > this

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu

> > lagna,

> > > > you

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on

> > 4'th,

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> > vargottama

> > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

> > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in

> > sports

> > > > and

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> > further,

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating,

> > long

> > > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's

> > seen

> > > > by

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji

> > is,

> > > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> > Mythology)

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and

> > 9'th

> > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather,

> > in

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> > insatiable

> > > > lust

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th

> > lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the

> > rare

> > > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

> > > > placement

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

> > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > > exceptional

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> > significant

> > > > role

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one

> > into

> > > > maya

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart,

> > you

> > > > get

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka

> > with

> > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also

> > giving

> > > > him

> > > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> > expression.

> > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

> > > > happened

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup

> > the

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because

> > of

> > > > Jup's

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

> > > > modern

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

> > > > spread

> > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds

> > no

> > > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> > chart, It

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when

> > Guru

> > > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

> > > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu

> > Lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages,

> > Swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami

> > Ji's

> > > > life.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is

> > gone

> > > > to

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> > morever,

> > > > this

> > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> > (Kamana).

> > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy

> > in

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> > ability

> > > > to

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon,

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

> > > > occurs

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made

> > him a

> > > > son

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation :

> > Can

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it

> > a

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation,

> > what

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's

> > 7'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

> > > > makes

> > > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

> > > > (tula)

> > > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should

> > he

> > > > be

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a

> > big

> > > > n

> > > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> > declare

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

> > > > seen a

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> > renunciation

> > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu

> > in

> > > > 5'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> > Kundalini

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

> > > > Kundalini,

> > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house

> > and

> > > > has

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

> > in

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and

> > w'd

> > > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

> > > > that

> > > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary

> > which

> > > > falls

> > > > > > > > today.

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[Guest guest]

It's already dead as far as i am concerned....

-gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Krishnaa played, for our enlightenment, with the MAYA that 'Gopi's

threw at him even as they threw themselves at Him -- but He was

enamoured by ...? ;-)

>

> Once you can figure it out for YOURSELF, this thread dies...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Another tirade begins on the tiny ant! This time by the Gopis as

opposed to RADHA_jee!

> >

> > JAI GOPAALAM JAI GOBINDAAM!

> >

> > Once gotten -- the insect must obey the COBWEB of MAYA-The SPIDER!!

;-)

> >

> > Many names the Spider of MAYA has! As we see and experience on

Internet that has the greatest W-E-B!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it

easy RR

> > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> > > -gopi.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been

very

> > > uncivil of me ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and

jataks

> > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes

over...

> > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are

rooted

> > > in

> > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by

practice) i

> > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in

lagna in

> > > MT in

> > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari

yoga

> > > and

> > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in

Navamsa

> > > which

> > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance

for

> > > your

> > > > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do

send me a

> > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

knows

> > > about

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > Knowledge

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

world:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own

language(way).Probably

> > > the

> > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are

asking

> > > > > > > others!!!....

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> > > entities,

> > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > > > compartmentalized

> > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate

entities).

> > > > > Without

> > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of

all

> > > the

> > > > > Great

> > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the

Human

> > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and

spiritualism

> > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> > > describe

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and

not

> > > > > worldly!

> > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> > > elsewhere!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to

get

> > > these

> > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to

turn on

> > > the

> > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software

and

> > > > > microsoft

> > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very

instant,

> > > and

> > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our

messages and

> > > so

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body

to do

> > > > > grocery

> > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for

> > > work

> > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to

be able

> > > to

> > > > > pay

> > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > > > lessons!).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

knows

> > > about

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > Knowledge

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

world:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not

tolerate

> > > > > waste

> > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would

not have

> > > > > evolved

> > > > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is

its

> > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind

to

> > > see.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind

sees. As

> > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart

: A

> > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi

Ramana's

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE

MIND).

> > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which

IT

> > > > > experiences

> > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also

half

> > > > > filled.Any

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly

by

> > > > > responding

> > > > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise

restraint

> > > ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it

seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own

given

> > > > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding.

!!!You

> > > may

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something.

..like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> > > surprised

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of

body,

> > > mind

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil

Servant "

> > > mindset

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing

information

> > > cards

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their

'trump-card' and

> > > this

> > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often

creates

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is

doing

> > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters

at

> > > times

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by

suggesting

> > > that

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was

floated by

> > > > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not

care

> > > much

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> > > Autobiography

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer

in

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> > > birthdata

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc,

because

> > > that

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > cast

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have

been

> > > kept

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not

float a

> > > fake

> > > > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing

to

> > > do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > > > superficially-

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone

read

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he

presented

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value

at best

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar

believes

> > > in

> > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and

brought

> > > out

> > > > > C=It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is

Raman

> > > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light,

one

> > > > > disciple

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya

da ya

> > > da!

> > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with

his

> > > special

> > > > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of

hide

> > > and

> > > > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it

canned

> > > if it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not

know

> > > about

> > > > > it!

> > > > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making

a

> > > mockery

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel

and

> > > Gretel

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value

given

> > > in

> > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333

seconds,

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that

the

> > > 1894

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who

was

> > > born

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science

quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha.

Once can

> > > > > safely

> > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas

that

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha

as a

> > > gift

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that

he was

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was

not

> > > > > needed,

> > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year,

I

> > > > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this

personally

> > > or

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is

eclipse

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

family in

> > > a

> > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals

> > > was

> > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question

to

> > > those

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can

any

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

extravaganza

> > > > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for

makar

> > > lagna

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple

reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data

we

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> > > yogananda's

> > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers.

After

> > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to

me

> > > and i

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission

from GURU

> > > is

> > > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince

anybody

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this

lagna

> > > or

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE

WHAT

> > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> > > death,his

> > > > > 9thH

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of

maraka with

> > > a

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's

sign wth

> > > a

> > > > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka

2nd from

> > > > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to

Makar

> > > Lagna

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish

others to

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around

1

> > > degree,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

12'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common

sign

> > > also

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i

am

> > > 57yrs

> > > > > now.I

> > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> > > life/death.I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true

birth

> > > time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

degree,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes

to

> > > 12'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of

death, 4

> > > > > july

> > > > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord

Saturn

> > > was

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> > > transiting

> > > > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction

with his

> > > 7'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon

was

> > > in

> > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind

to

> > > leave

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

vivekananda%

> > > > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

vivekananda%

> > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a

belief

> > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd

need

> > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> > > Comparative

> > > > > Study

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great

mother

> > > of

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse

in

> > > this

> > > > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and

dedicate

> > > this

> > > > > > > study to

> > > > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for

the

> > > > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu

DevakiNandan

> > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> > > learnt

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and

seen

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself

was a

> > > > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a

scholar of

> > > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in

the

> > > name

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates

that in

> > > the

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends,

no

> > > birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was

born on

> > > 12

> > > > > Jan

> > > > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> > > celebrated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives

entire

> > > account

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other

Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for

the

> > > first

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> > > Sangrah "

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning

source

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started

circulating

> > > after

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate

both the

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti,

Makar

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara

at

> > > noon,

> > > > > Now,

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> > > question

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time

of

> > > Swami

> > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It

could

> > > be

> > > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had

no

> > > > > information

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without

Birth

> > > Time,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with

Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also

in his

> > > > > book on

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope

with

> > > Makar

> > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna

chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in

Shimla

> > > Pally,

> > > > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during

the eve

> > > of

> > > > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His

father

> > > > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> > > considered

> > > > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social

and

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and

had

> > > > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to

give her

> > > a

> > > > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur

lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and

Extravaganza

> > > :

> > > > > Father

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> > > prperty

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur

lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb

Sun

> > > in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

family

> > > in a

> > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open

question to

> > > those

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ?

Can any

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> > > extravaganza

> > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

get

> > > Sun in

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> > > extravaganza

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona

: With

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house,

which is

> > > 8'th

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having

such

> > > a

> > > > > superb

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> > > child,

> > > > > > > needless

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house

even

> > > though

> > > > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

get

> > > 4'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> > > aspect

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of

swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's

sister

> > > died

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart,

there

> > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart,

you find

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th

house,

> > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> > > siblings,

> > > > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> > > sister's

> > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> > > Mars's

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in

9'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died

early,

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in

9'th

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna

chart

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna

chart,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect

from

> > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> > > yourself,

> > > > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at

least

> > > > > mathematics

> > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji

graduated in

> > > > > Arts, he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> > > literature,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical

music,

> > > both

> > > > > vocal

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training

under

> > > two

> > > > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give

education

> > > and

> > > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get,

Venus

> > > the

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> > > lagna,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With

Dhanu

> > > lagna,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports

on

> > > 4'th,

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> > > vargottama

> > > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house

Jup is

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is

moved to

> > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good

in

> > > sports

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though

makes one

> > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> > > further,

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly

indicating,

> > > long

> > > > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya :

It's

> > > seen

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami

Ji

> > > is,

> > > > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> > > Mythology)

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between

5'th and

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord

rather,

> > > in

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding

to

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> > > insatiable

> > > > > lust

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get,

5'th

> > > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of

the

> > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th

lord's

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar

lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and

Guru's

> > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > > > exceptional

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> > > significant

> > > > > role

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take

one

> > > into

> > > > > maya

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome

maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna

chart,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra

sadhaka

> > > with

> > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and

also

> > > giving

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> > > expression.

> > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and

VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This

has

> > > > > happened

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in

12'th, Jup

> > > the

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma,

because

> > > of

> > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest

orator of

> > > > > modern

> > > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world

tour to

> > > > > spread

> > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology

finds

> > > no

> > > > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> > > chart, It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house,

when

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in

Rahu's

> > > > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With

Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple

marriages,

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord

mercury is

> > > gone

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> > > morever,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> > > (Kamana).

> > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of

polygamy

> > > in

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> > > ability

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at

Makar

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord

moon,

> > > who

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this

combination

> > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has

made

> > > him a

> > > > > son

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs

Renunciation :

> > > Can

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house,

is it

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or

renunciation,

> > > what

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji

get's

> > > 7'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this

combination

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in

libra

> > > > > (tula)

> > > > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So,

should

> > > he

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This

underlines a

> > > big

> > > > > n

> > > > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> > > declare

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any

considerable

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have

you ever

> > > > > seen a

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> > > renunciation

> > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart,

the Ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga,

Ketu as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite

his

> > > > > Kundalini,

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th

house

> > > and

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's

interchange

> > > in

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come

forward and

> > > w'd

> > > > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji,

perhapse

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth

anniversary

> > > which

> > > > > falls

> > > > > > > > > today.

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[Guest guest]

Lord Krishna played with the Gopis till he was only 8 years old and  then he

left for Mathura and he did not return to Vrindavan.

 

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

 

 

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:22 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's already dead as far as i am concerned... .

-gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Krishnaa played, for our enlightenment, with the MAYA that 'Gopi's

threw at him even as they threw themselves at Him -- but He was

enamoured by ...? ;-)

>

> Once you can figure it out for YOURSELF, this thread dies...

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Another tirade begins on the tiny ant! This time by the Gopis as

opposed to RADHA_jee!

> >

> > JAI GOPAALAM JAI GOBINDAAM!

> >

> > Once gotten -- the insect must obey the COBWEB of MAYA-The SPIDER!!

;-)

> >

> > Many names the Spider of MAYA has! As we see and experience on

Internet that has the greatest W-E-B!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it

easy RR

> > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> > > -gopi.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been

very

> > > uncivil of me ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and

jataks

> > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes

over...

> > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are

rooted

> > > in

> > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by

practice) i

> > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in

lagna in

> > > MT in

> > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded) surrounded by papa karari

yoga

> > > and

> > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in

Navamsa

> > > which

> > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance

for

> > > your

> > > > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do

send me a

> > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

knows

> > > about

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > Knowledge

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

world:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own

language(way) .Probably

> > > the

> > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are

asking

> > > > > > > others!!!... .

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> > > entities,

> > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > > > compartmentalized

> > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate

entities).

> > > > > Without

> > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of

all

> > > the

> > > > > Great

> > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the

Human

> > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and

spiritualism

> > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> > > describe

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and

not

> > > > > worldly!

> > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> > > elsewhere!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to

get

> > > these

> > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to

turn on

> > > the

> > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software

and

> > > > > microsoft

> > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very

instant,

> > > and

> > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our

messages and

> > > so

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body

to do

> > > > > grocery

> > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for

> > > work

> > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to

be able

> > > to

> > > > > pay

> > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > > > lessons!).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

knows

> > > about

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > Knowledge

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

world:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not

tolerate

> > > > > waste

> > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would

not have

> > > > > evolved

> > > > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is

its

> > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind

to

> > > see.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind

sees. As

> > > far

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart

: A

> > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi

Ramana's

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE

MIND).

> > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which

IT

> > > > > experiences

> > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also

half

> > > > > filled.Any

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly

by

> > > > > responding

> > > > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise

restraint

> > > ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it

seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own

given

> > > > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding.

!!!You

> > > may

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something.

..like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> > > surprised

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of

body,

> > > mind

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil

Servant "

> > > mindset

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing

information

> > > cards

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their

'trump-card' and

> > > this

> > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often

creates

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is

doing

> > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters

at

> > > times

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by

suggesting

> > > that

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was

floated by

> > > > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not

care

> > > much

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> > > Autobiography

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer

in

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> > > birthdata

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc,

because

> > > that

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > cast

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have

been

> > > kept

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not

float a

> > > fake

> > > > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing

to

> > > do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > > > superficially-

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone

read

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he

presented

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value

at best

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar

believes

> > > in

> > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and

brought

> > > out

> > > > > C=It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is

Raman

> > > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light,

one

> > > > > disciple

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya

da ya

> > > da!

> > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with

his

> > > special

> > > > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of

hide

> > > and

> > > > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it

canned

> > > if it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not

know

> > > about

> > > > > it!

> > > > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making

a

> > > mockery

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel

and

> > > Gretel

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value

given

> > > in

> > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333

seconds,

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that

the

> > > 1894

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who

was

> > > born

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science

quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha.

Once can

> > > > > safely

> > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas

that

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha

as a

> > > gift

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that

he was

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was

not

> > > > > needed,

> > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year,

I

> > > > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this

personally

> > > or

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is

eclipse

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

family in

> > > a

> > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals

> > > was

> > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question

to

> > > those

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can

any

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

extravaganza

> > > > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for

makar

> > > lagna

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple

reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data

we

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> > > yogananda's

> > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers.

After

> > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to

me

> > > and i

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission

from GURU

> > > is

> > > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince

anybody

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this

lagna

> > > or

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE

WHAT

> > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> > > death,his

> > > > > 9thH

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of

maraka with

> > > a

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's

sign wth

> > > a

> > > > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka

2nd from

> > > > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to

Makar

> > > Lagna

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish

others to

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around

1

> > > degree,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

12'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common

sign

> > > also

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i

am

> > > 57yrs

> > > > > now.I

> > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> > > life/death.I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true

birth

> > > time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

degree,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes

to

> > > 12'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of

death, 4

> > > > > july

> > > > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord

Saturn

> > > was

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> > > transiting

> > > > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction

with his

> > > 7'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon

was

> > > in

> > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind

to

> > > leave

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

vivekananda%

> > > > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

vivekananda%

> > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a

belief

> > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd

need

> > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

com,

> > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> > > Comparative

> > > > > Study

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great

mother

> > > of

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse

in

> > > this

> > > > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and

dedicate

> > > this

> > > > > > > study to

> > > > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for

the

> > > > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu

DevakiNandan

> > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> > > learnt

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and

seen

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself

was a

> > > > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a

scholar of

> > > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in

the

> > > name

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates

that in

> > > the

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends,

no

> > > birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was

born on

> > > 12

> > > > > Jan

> > > > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> > > celebrated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives

entire

> > > account

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other

Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for

the

> > > first

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> > > Sangrah "

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning

source

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started

circulating

> > > after

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate

both the

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti,

Makar

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara

at

> > > noon,

> > > > > Now,

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> > > question

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time

of

> > > Swami

> > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It

could

> > > be

> > > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had

no

> > > > > information

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without

Birth

> > > Time,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with

Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also

in his

> > > > > book on

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope

with

> > > Makar

> > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna

chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in

Shimla

> > > Pally,

> > > > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during

the eve

> > > of

> > > > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His

father

> > > > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> > > considered

> > > > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social

and

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and

had

> > > > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to

give her

> > > a

> > > > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur

lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and

Extravaganza

> > > :

> > > > > Father

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> > > prperty

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur

lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb

Sun

> > > in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

family

> > > in a

> > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open

question to

> > > those

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ?

Can any

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> > > extravaganza

> > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

get

> > > Sun in

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> > > extravaganza

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona

: With

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house,

which is

> > > 8'th

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having

such

> > > a

> > > > > superb

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> > > child,

> > > > > > > needless

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house

even

> > > though

> > > > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

get

> > > 4'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> > > aspect

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of

swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's

sister

> > > died

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart,

there

> > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart,

you find

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th

house,

> > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> > > siblings,

> > > > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> > > sister's

> > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> > > Mars's

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in

9'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died

early,

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in

9'th

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna

chart

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna

chart,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect

from

> > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> > > yourself,

> > > > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at

least

> > > > > mathematics

> > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji

graduated in

> > > > > Arts, he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> > > literature,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical

music,

> > > both

> > > > > vocal

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training

under

> > > two

> > > > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give

education

> > > and

> > > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get,

Venus

> > > the

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> > > lagna,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With

Dhanu

> > > lagna,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports

on

> > > 4'th,

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> > > vargottama

> > > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house

Jup is

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is

moved to

> > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good

in

> > > sports

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though

makes one

> > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> > > further,

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly

indicating,

> > > long

> > > > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya :

It's

> > > seen

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami

Ji

> > > is,

> > > > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> > > Mythology)

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between

5'th and

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord

rather,

> > > in

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding

to

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> > > insatiable

> > > > > lust

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get,

5'th

> > > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of

the

> > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th

lord's

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar

lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and

Guru's

> > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > > > exceptional

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> > > significant

> > > > > role

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take

one

> > > into

> > > > > maya

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome

maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna

chart,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra

sadhaka

> > > with

> > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and

also

> > > giving

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> > > expression.

> > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and

VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This

has

> > > > > happened

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in

12'th, Jup

> > > the

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma,

because

> > > of

> > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest

orator of

> > > > > modern

> > > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world

tour to

> > > > > spread

> > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology

finds

> > > no

> > > > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> > > chart, It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house,

when

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in

Rahu's

> > > > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With

Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple

marriages,

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and

Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord

mercury is

> > > gone

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> > > morever,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> > > (Kamana).

> > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of

polygamy

> > > in

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> > > ability

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at

Makar

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord

moon,

> > > who

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this

combination

> > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has

made

> > > him a

> > > > > son

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs

Renunciation :

> > > Can

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house,

is it

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or

renunciation,

> > > what

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji

get's

> > > 7'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this

combination

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in

libra

> > > > > (tula)

> > > > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So,

should

> > > he

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This

underlines a

> > > big

> > > > > n

> > > > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> > > declare

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any

considerable

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have

you ever

> > > > > seen a

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> > > renunciation

> > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart,

the Ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga,

Ketu as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite

his

> > > > > Kundalini,

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th

house

> > > and

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's

interchange

> > > in

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come

forward and

> > > w'd

> > > > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji,

perhapse

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth

anniversary

> > > which

> > > > > falls

> > > > > > > > > today.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

 

I am open to exchange of ideas and in no way would like to force anyone to

accept my ideas. I put it in the open whatever I understand, and people who find

value in it will pick it up and others ignore it. That is fine. I am referring

to my articles on astrology. I am still on the first step as far as spirituality

is concerned. However, when I think about mind and 'no mind', what I guess is

that when one gets into the status of 'no mind' and realizes the Self (that is

capable of establishing contact between intellect and the Self at will), does

not need mind or the five senses any more. This is because he could take the

help of the Self to carry out the functions of the senses and mind even to

interact with the physical world. As Self is omnipresent, omnipotent and

omniscient, what else does one need as a companion/help!

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Thu, 28 January, 2010 4:08:05 AM

Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A Comparative Study of

Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

 

 

Krishna-jee,

 

I am glad that we got this chance to exchange our thoughts. It is a rare treat

these days in certain domains to speak to people capable of clear thinking and

expressing the same duly. Thanks for being one such person.

 

I am in full agreement that for that for the ultimate development of the Human

Potential, in other words, to fully identify with and become one with the

highest essence that exists within all of us, some call it Soul, others inner

God, or simply GOD -- the world, its worldly ways, its essential instruments be

those be the senses or the mind or several other nuances described for the same

-- would be deterrants.

 

However, I have also observed that several individuals leave the worldly reality

prematurely and are then 'made' to return to worldly Maya to finish their DUES

before leaving the mind behind! It almost seems as if one cannot leave the

worldly ways whenever and expect to become a Sanyaasi and attain

self-realization.

 

I am not talking about " weekend-warriors " as some " yogis " and spiritualists have

been known to be as! Present company excepted in this forum, of course!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> Thanks for clarifying that your words were not directed at me personally. But,

it is OK even if you were at it. Because, in my opinion, I feel I have not said

anything wrong or have not crossed my line, when I re-read my post even now.

That is most important to me. Hence, there is no need to apologize :-)

>

> Yes, I am the same individual who wrote about the astrological combination for

big age difference in relationships. Thanks for your sincere feedback. It always

feels good to receive feedback on ones work.

>

> It is obvious that mind is an important factor to live in this world as it

controls our senses which touch and feel this world. There was no contention

about this aspect, at least from my side. I would be a fool to say mind is

irrelevant to live in this world. But, at the same time, I believe it is an

hindrance in realizing the higher Self. To decide whether mind has been whipped

around unfairly, one should look at the context in which such comments have been

made. Otherwise, we could get this totally wrong. I agree all this is bookish

knowledge for me at this point in time. I have to make a start somewhere :-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Wed, 27 January, 2010 4:31:36 AM

> Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

>

>

> Krishna_jee,

>

> Although it may seem as if all those remarks were directed at you, but that is

the nature of the thread structure. I just picked one of the better messages

from many that came forth from a variety of folks. Hopefull one or more of those

were self-realized and speaking from direct experience.

>

> So, my apologies for trying to cover several things in one posting, and making

you misinterpret that I was criticising you or your post, etc. I was giving my

point of view and being a very worldly and pragmatic person thought I will

inject some 'here and now' in the thread. Once again, not implying that your

posting was hairy-fairy in any way, shape or form! I am assuming that you are

the Jyotishi that wrote a very nice research article on couples with significant

age differences and if you, your work was impressive :-)

>

> That said, we all make a lot of assumptions about soul and what it is, what

its purpose is and how it communicates with the earthly reality, the body and

mind and so on. In doing so, my thinking is that people often visualize or

conceptualize this mysterious and mystical *entity* called soul or SOUL as an

ENTITY. A body of sorts and when we do that, there arises the need to have it

communicate with several layers or nuances of existance that the Human

Experiences. I say human because that is all I have experienced and for all I

know or care, probably dogs and cats, tigers and alligators and oak or bargad

trees also perhaps have souls and some communication between their soul and

their 'mind' or whatever.

>

> I think due to scriptural references and high-level yogic thinking, mind has

been whipped around by religion and religious types a bit too much and unfairly!

Perhaps it is something that we all would need to discard someday, but right now

-- living in and clinging to this mundane reality, we would be hypocrites if we

keep enjoying the fruits of our minds (all worldly professions and benefits of a

modern life and so on) and pooh-poohing it at the same time!

>

> Once again, none of this is specifically directed at you, so please do not

feel sensitive about this post if it rubs you the wrong way. That certainly has

not been my intention.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini ji,

> >

> > Even if I am parroting, I prefer parroting the words of the SELF-REALIZED,

rather than whatever comes to my mind. I hope one day I will realize the meaning

of those words by doing so. I have no shame in doing this.

> >

> > The piece I responded to earlier was not whether we could work with or

without mind; I don't know from where you picked it up. I was responding to

whether mind is the 'eye' of the Soul or not. Hope this clarifies.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:34:17 AM

> > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study

of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> >

> >

> > Krishna ji,

> >

> > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and entities, mind,

soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly compartmentalized and natural

(created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). Without sounding

disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all the Great Minds that gave

us our scriptures and understanding of the Human Experience (including astrology

and philosophy and spiritualism etc), some of these are abstract descriptions

and best suited to describe the life and experiences of someone who is

self-realized and not worldly! And I respect those who fit that lable on this

forum and elsewhere!

> >

> > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get these messages

going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on the computer, use our

mouth to curse the anti virus software and microsoft for starting the UPDATE and

slowing us down at the very instant, and then use the fingers and eyes and mind

to type our messages and so on and on. Later on we will use this filthy,

abhorrant body to do grocery shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

prepare for work (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be

able to pay for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

lessons!).

> >

> > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows about or can

explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED Mahatmas and Saints and

turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled Knowledge -- let me ask all those who

live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> >

> > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> >

> > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> >

> > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate waste and

vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have evolved and

continuing to do so!

> >

> > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its purpose and why

can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to see. It is

capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As far as the Soul

is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..>

> > >

> > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative

Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's mind did

> > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT experiences

> > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half filled.Any way

> > > i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by responding

> > > publicly

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given LAKSHMAN REKHA

> > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You may have to

> > > wait

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am surprised that a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, mind and soul

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " mindset :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information cards from

> > > close

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and this kind of

> > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates problems when

> > > the

> > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing and it can

> > > cause

> > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at times :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting that Swami

> > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by obviously

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care much for

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in Autobiography of a

> > > Yogi

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in astrology and

> > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an astrological

> > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong birthdata of

> > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because that would cast

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been kept secret for

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a fake data

> > > > > around!

> > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to do?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with superficially- read

> > > > > material.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read Yukteshwar's

> > > The

> > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented his

> > > fascinating

> > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of ayanamsha for 1894,

> > > but

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best since

> > > Equinoxes

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes in Astrology

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought out C=It is

> > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman ayanamsha or

> > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one disciple of

> > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an astrologer and he

> > > found

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya da! When

> > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his special

> > > trunk-full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide and seek,

> > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned if it is so

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know about it!

> > > Rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a mockery of it.

> > > This

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and Gretel and we

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given in Holy

> > > science

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, you will

> > > arrive

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the 1894 value was

> > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was born in 1912.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can safely

> > > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that he was using

> > > and

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a gift to

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was using the

> > > value

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not needed, hence

> > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I suppose.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally or against

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse does not mean

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar lagna but it

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason that Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we can not

> > > chalenge

> > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa yogananda's Leo

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After being a

> > > Kriya

> > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me and i never

> > > felt

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU is obtained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody just

> > > because i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna or that

> > > lagna

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's death,his 9thH with

> > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with a malefic

> > > venus

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth a maraka is

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from Lagna.No

> > > body

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar Lagna with

> > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to follow suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you

> > > take

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house, this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign also indicate

> > > > > short

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am 57yrs now.I

> > > dont

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my life/death.I am ready

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth time and lagna

> > > of

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, if you take

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th house,

> > > this

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 july 1902,

> > > It

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn was conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was transiting Libra

> > > his

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his 7'th lord

> > > Moon

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was in exaltation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to leave this

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sam\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% E2%80%99s-

maha-sa\

> > > \

> > > > > \

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief that there

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A Comparative Study of

> > > Makar

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother of Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, I

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate this study to

> > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh who

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he learnt water

> > > diving

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a graduate as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of astrology,

> > > who

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the name of

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in the Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no birth time is

> > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on 12 Jan

> > > 1863's

> > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was celebrated in

> > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire account of how

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu Lagna

> > > horoscope

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the first time,

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani Sangrah " gave

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source how he got

> > > such a

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating after that

> > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the charts of

> > > swami

> > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar Lagna begins at

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at noon, Now, Babu

> > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a question that

> > > needs

> > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> > > though,

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could be Makara

> > > only

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no information as

> > > he

> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth Time, He has

> > > > > printed

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu lagna

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his book on

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with Makar Lagna, few

> > > more

> > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta

> > > at

> > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra

> > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > > Datta

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was considered generous,

> > > and

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and religious

> > > matters.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had practiced

> > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

> > > life

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > > cause a

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in a deprived

> > > > > state,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals was

> > > difficult to

> > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to those Indian

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any astrology

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his extravaganza as well

> > > as

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's conjunction in

> > > 10'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from

> > > 4'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such a superb

> > > mother

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

> > > to

> > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad

> > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no

> > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn who

> > > is

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, Saturn's

> > > aspect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to siblings, saturn's

> > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for sister's death,

> > > > > further,

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives Mars's aspect

> > > thus

> > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, There is a

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th aspected by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart shows

> > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars

> > > as

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least mathematics as a

> > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was

> > > a

> > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, literature, and

> > > other

> > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under two ustads,

> > > Beni

> > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education and learning

> > > of

> > > > > music,

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji's

> > > education,

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get

> > > no

> > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and

> > > 6'th

> > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a vargottama lagna,

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is aspecting

> > > 4'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga.

> > > It

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested

> > > in

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn

> > > from

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of

> > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his

> > > guru

> > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a

> > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual Mythology) with

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, in Dhanu

> > > Lagna

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the rare

> > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings,

> > > There it

> > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of

> > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in

> > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also giving him

> > > qualities

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an expression. Jup's

> > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in

> > > Jup's

> > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup the 3rd and

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup's 3rd

> > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times

> > > and

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true

> > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no

> > > connection

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna chart, It was

> > > Rahu's

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when Guru

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart,

> > > You

> > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, morever, this Merc

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami

> > > Ji's

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's ability to read

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, who is

> > > conjunct

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination occurs in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made him a son of

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you

> > > answer,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it a

> > > combination

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, what

> > > combination

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and

> > > 10'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should he be not a

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a big n vivid

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who declare Swami ji

> > > was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable combination

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

> > > person

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present

> > > in

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as

> > > Mars

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of Kundalini with the

> > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his Kundalini, It's

> > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house and has 12'th

> > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange in 9'th and

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and w'd

> > > contribute

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse that w'd be

> > > a

> > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary which falls

> > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Do enjoy the shraddha ceremony, and bless the Lord! :-)

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> It's already dead as far as i am concerned....

> -gopi.

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Krishnaa played, for our enlightenment, with the MAYA that 'Gopi's

> threw at him even as they threw themselves at Him -- but He was

> enamoured by ...? ;-)

> >

> > Once you can figure it out for YOURSELF, this thread dies...

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Another tirade begins on the tiny ant! This time by the Gopis as

> opposed to RADHA_jee!

> > >

> > > JAI GOPAALAM JAI GOBINDAAM!

> > >

> > > Once gotten -- the insect must obey the COBWEB of MAYA-The SPIDER!!

> ;-)

> > >

> > > Many names the Spider of MAYA has! As we see and experience on

> Internet that has the greatest W-E-B!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it

> easy RR

> > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> > > > -gopi.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been

> very

> > > > uncivil of me ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and

> jataks

> > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes

> over...

> > > > ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are

> rooted

> > > > in

> > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by

> practice) i

> > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in

> lagna in

> > > > MT in

> > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari

> yoga

> > > > and

> > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in

> Navamsa

> > > > which

> > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance

> for

> > > > your

> > > > > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do

> send me a

> > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

> knows

> > > > about

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

> SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > > Knowledge

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

> world:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own

> language(way).Probably

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are

> asking

> > > > > > > > others!!!....

> > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> > > > entities,

> > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > > > > compartmentalized

> > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate

> entities).

> > > > > > Without

> > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of

> all

> > > > the

> > > > > > Great

> > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the

> Human

> > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and

> spiritualism

> > > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> > > > describe

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and

> not

> > > > > > worldly!

> > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> > > > elsewhere!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to

> get

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to

> turn on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software

> and

> > > > > > microsoft

> > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very

> instant,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our

> messages and

> > > > so

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body

> to do

> > > > > > grocery

> > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and

> prepare for

> > > > work

> > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to

> be able

> > > > to

> > > > > > pay

> > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > > > > lessons!).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really

> knows

> > > > about

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of

> SELF-REALIZED

> > > > > > Mahatmas

> > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> > > > Knowledge

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL

> world:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not

> tolerate

> > > > > > waste

> > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would

> not have

> > > > > > evolved

> > > > > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is

> its

> > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama

> > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind

> to

> > > > see.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind

> sees. As

> > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart

> : A

> > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi

> Ramana's

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE

> MIND).

> > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which

> IT

> > > > > > experiences

> > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also

> half

> > > > > > filled.Any

> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly

> by

> > > > > > responding

> > > > > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise

> restraint

> > > > ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it

> seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own

> given

> > > > > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding.

> !!!You

> > > > may

> > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something.

> .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> > > > surprised

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of

> body,

> > > > mind

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil

> Servant "

> > > > mindset

> > > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing

> information

> > > > cards

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their

> 'trump-card' and

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often

> creates

> > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is

> doing

> > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters

> at

> > > > times

> > > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by

> suggesting

> > > > that

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was

> floated by

> > > > > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not

> care

> > > > much

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> > > > Autobiography

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer

> in

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> > > > birthdata

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc,

> because

> > > > that

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > cast

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have

> been

> > > > kept

> > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not

> float a

> > > > fake

> > > > > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing

> to

> > > > do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > > > > superficially-

> > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone

> read

> > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he

> presented

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value

> at best

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar

> believes

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and

> brought

> > > > out

> > > > > > C=It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is

> Raman

> > > > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light,

> one

> > > > > > disciple

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya

> da ya

> > > > da!

> > > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with

> his

> > > > special

> > > > > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of

> hide

> > > > and

> > > > > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it

> canned

> > > > if it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not

> know

> > > > about

> > > > > > it!

> > > > > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making

> a

> > > > mockery

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel

> and

> > > > Gretel

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value

> given

> > > > in

> > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333

> seconds,

> > > > you

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that

> the

> > > > 1894

> > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who

> was

> > > > born

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science

> quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha.

> Once can

> > > > > > safely

> > > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas

> that

> > > > he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha

> as a

> > > > gift

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that

> he was

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was

> not

> > > > > > needed,

> > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year,

> I

> > > > > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this

> personally

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is

> eclipse

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

> family in

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

> meals

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question

> to

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can

> any

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> extravaganza

> > > > > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for

> makar

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple

> reason

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data

> we

> > > > can

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> > > > yogananda's

> > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers.

> After

> > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to

> me

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission

> from GURU

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince

> anybody

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this

> lagna

> > > > or

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE

> WHAT

> > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> > > > death,his

> > > > > > 9thH

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of

> maraka with

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's

> sign wth

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka

> 2nd from

> > > > > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to

> Makar

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish

> others to

> > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around

> 1

> > > > degree,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

> 12'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common

> sign

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i

> am

> > > > 57yrs

> > > > > > now.I

> > > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> > > > life/death.I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true

> birth

> > > > time

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

> degree,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes

> to

> > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of

> death, 4

> > > > > > july

> > > > > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord

> Saturn

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> > > > transiting

> > > > > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction

> with his

> > > > 7'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon

> was

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind

> to

> > > > leave

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

> vivekananda%

> > > > > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/

> vivekananda%

> > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a

> belief

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd

> need

> > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ .

> com,

> > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> > > > Comparative

> > > > > > Study

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great

> mother

> > > > of

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse

> in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and

> dedicate

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > study to

> > > > > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for

> the

> > > > > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu

> DevakiNandan

> > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> > > > learnt

> > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and

> seen

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself

> was a

> > > > > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a

> scholar of

> > > > > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in

> the

> > > > name

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates

> that in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends,

> no

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was

> born on

> > > > 12

> > > > > > Jan

> > > > > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> > > > celebrated

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives

> entire

> > > > account

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other

> Dhanu

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> > > > Sangrah "

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning

> source

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started

> circulating

> > > > after

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate

> both the

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti,

> Makar

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara

> at

> > > > noon,

> > > > > > Now,

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> > > > question

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time

> of

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It

> could

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had

> no

> > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without

> Birth

> > > > Time,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with

> Dhanu

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also

> in his

> > > > > > book on

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope

> with

> > > > Makar

> > > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna

> chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in

> Shimla

> > > > Pally,

> > > > > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during

> the eve

> > > > of

> > > > > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His

> father

> > > > > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> > > > considered

> > > > > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social

> and

> > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and

> had

> > > > > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to

> give her

> > > > a

> > > > > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur

> lagna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and

> Extravaganza

> > > > :

> > > > > > Father

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> > > > prperty

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur

> lagna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb

> Sun

> > > > in

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire

> family

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day

> meals

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open

> question to

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ?

> Can any

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> > > > extravaganza

> > > > > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

> get

> > > > Sun in

> > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> > > > extravaganza

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona

> : With

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > > > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house,

> which is

> > > > 8'th

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having

> such

> > > > a

> > > > > > superb

> > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> > > > child,

> > > > > > > > needless

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house

> even

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you

> get

> > > > 4'th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of

> swami

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's

> sister

> > > > died

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart,

> there

> > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart,

> you find

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th

> house,

> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> > > > siblings,

> > > > > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> > > > sister's

> > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> > > > Mars's

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in

> 9'th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died

> early,

> > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in

> 9'th

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna

> chart

> > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna

> chart,

> > > > you

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect

> from

> > > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> > > > yourself,

> > > > > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at

> least

> > > > > > mathematics

> > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji

> graduated in

> > > > > > Arts, he

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> > > > literature,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical

> music,

> > > > both

> > > > > > vocal

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training

> under

> > > > two

> > > > > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give

> education

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified

> Swami

> > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get,

> Venus

> > > > the

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> > > > lagna,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With

> Dhanu

> > > > lagna,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports

> on

> > > > 4'th,

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> > > > vargottama

> > > > > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house

> Jup is

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is

> moved to

> > > > > > Lagna,

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good

> in

> > > > sports

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though

> makes one

> > > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> > > > further,

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly

> indicating,

> > > > long

> > > > > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya :

> It's

> > > > seen

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami

> Ji

> > > > is,

> > > > > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> > > > Mythology)

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between

> 5'th and

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord

> rather,

> > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding

> to

> > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> > > > insatiable

> > > > > > lust

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get,

> 5'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of

> the

> > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th

> lord's

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar

> lagna

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and

> Guru's

> > > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > > > > exceptional

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> > > > significant

> > > > > > role

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take

> one

> > > > into

> > > > > > maya

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome

> maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna

> chart,

> > > > you

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra

> sadhaka

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and

> also

> > > > giving

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> > > > expression.

> > > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and

> VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This

> has

> > > > > > happened

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in

> 12'th, Jup

> > > > the

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma,

> because

> > > > of

> > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest

> orator of

> > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world

> tour to

> > > > > > spread

> > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology

> finds

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> > > > chart, It

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house,

> when

> > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in

> Rahu's

> > > > > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With

> Dhanu

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple

> marriages,

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and

> Swami

> > > > Ji's

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord

> mercury is

> > > > gone

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> > > > morever,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> > > > (Kamana).

> > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of

> polygamy

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> > > > ability

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at

> Makar

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord

> moon,

> > > > who

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this

> combination

> > > > > > occurs

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has

> made

> > > > him a

> > > > > > son

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs

> Renunciation :

> > > > Can

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house,

> is it

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or

> renunciation,

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji

> get's

> > > > 7'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this

> combination

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in

> libra

> > > > > > (tula)

> > > > > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So,

> should

> > > > he

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This

> underlines a

> > > > big

> > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> > > > declare

> > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any

> considerable

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have

> you ever

> > > > > > seen a

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> > > > renunciation

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart,

> the Ketu

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga,

> Ketu as

> > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite

> his

> > > > > > Kundalini,

> > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th

> house

> > > > and

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's

> interchange

> > > > in

> > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come

> forward and

> > > > w'd

> > > > > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji,

> perhapse

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage

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[Guest guest]

And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-)

Psychics may think otherwise ...

 

Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I will let you

continue your soliloquy from this point on...!

 

Sayonara!

 

RR_,

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy RR

> jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only...

> -gopi.

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very

> uncivil of me ;-)

> >

> > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks

> make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over...

> ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji,

> > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted

> in

> > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i

> > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining..

> > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in

> MT in

> > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga

> and

> > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa

> which

> > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for

> your

> > > wish to be fulfilled...

> > > -gopi.

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a

> > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Best of Luck!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> about

> > > or

> > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > Mahatmas

> > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> Knowledge

> > > --

> > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?//

> > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably

> the

> > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking

> > > > > others!!!....

> > > > > -gopi.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and

> entities,

> > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly

> > > compartmentalized

> > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities).

> > > Without

> > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all

> the

> > > Great

> > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human

> > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism

> > > etc),

> > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to

> describe

> > > the

> > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not

> > > worldly!

> > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and

> elsewhere!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get

> these

> > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on

> the

> > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and

> > > microsoft

> > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant,

> and

> > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and

> so

> > > on

> > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do

> > > grocery

> > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for

> work

> > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able

> to

> > > pay

> > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano

> > > lessons!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows

> about

> > > or

> > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED

> > > Mahatmas

> > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled

> Knowledge

> > > --

> > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate

> > > waste

> > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have

> > > evolved

> > > > > and continuing to do so!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its

> > > purpose

> > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to

> see.

> > > It is

> > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As

> far

> > > as

> > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A

> > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's

> > > mind

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND).

> > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,//

> > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye?

> > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT

> > > experiences

> > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND...

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pray tell!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half

> > > filled.Any

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ....

> > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by

> > > responding

> > > > > > > publicly

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint

> ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given

> > > LAKSHMAN

> > > > > REKHA

> > > > > > > > > BECAUSE

> > > > > > > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You

> may

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > wait

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > test

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. .like....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am

> surprised

> > > that

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body,

> mind

> > > and

> > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant "

> mindset

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information

> cards

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > close

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and

> this

> > > > > kind of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates

> > > problems

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 'right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing

> and

> > > it

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at

> times

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting

> that

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Yogananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > leo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by

> > > > > obviously

> > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care

> much

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in

> Autobiography

> > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in

> > > astrology

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an

> astrological

> > > > > > > amulet!). I

> > > > > > > > > > > wonder

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong

> birthdata

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I

> > > > > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because

> that

> > > would

> > > > > cast

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been

> kept

> > > secret

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a

> fake

> > > > > data

> > > > > > > > > around!

> > > > > > > > > > > Won't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to

> do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with

> > > superficially-

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > material.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read

> > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > Holy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented

> his

> > > > > > > fascinating

> > > > > > > > > theory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of

> ayanamsha

> > > for

> > > > > 1894,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best

> > > since

> > > > > > > Equinoxes

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes

> in

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought

> out

> > > C=It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > Lahiri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one

> > > disciple

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an

> astrologer

> > > and

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya

> da!

> > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > pressend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his

> special

> > > > > > > trunk-full

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide

> and

> > > seek,

> > > > > > > > > infantile,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned

> if it

> > > is

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know

> about

> > > it!

> > > > > > > Rather

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a

> mockery

> > > of

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and

> Gretel

> > > and

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given

> in

> > > Holy

> > > > > > > science

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds,

> you

> > > will

> > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the

> 1894

> > > value

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was

> born

> > > in

> > > > > 1912.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes

> > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can

> > > safely

> > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that

> he

> > > was

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a

> gift

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was

> > > using

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not

> > > needed,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I

> > > suppose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally

> or

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse

> does

> > > not

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in

> a

> > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > state, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > state of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> was

> > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > manage ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> those

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza

> > > ???//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar

> lagna

> > > but

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason

> > > that

> > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > > chalenge

> > > > > > > > > > > others in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa

> yogananda's

> > > Leo

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After

> > > being a

> > > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > yogi

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me

> and i

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU

> is

> > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > with-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody

> > > just

> > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna

> or

> > > that

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT

> > > > > THEYARE(WERE) !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's

> death,his

> > > 9thH

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > gulika

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with

> a

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth

> a

> > > > > maraka is

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from

> > > > > Lagna.No

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar

> Lagna

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to

> > > follow

> > > > > suit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1

> degree,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th

> > > house,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign

> also

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am

> 57yrs

> > > now.I

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my

> life/death.I

> > > am

> > > > > ready

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > now.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth

> time

> > > and

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree,

> if

> > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to

> 12'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > short

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4

> > > july

> > > > > 1902,

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn

> was

> > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was

> transiting

> > > > > Libra

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his

> 7'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was

> in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to

> leave

> > > this

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > E2%80%99s-

> > > > > maha-sam\

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda%

> > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\

> > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief

> that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need

> > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A

> Comparative

> > > Study

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother

> of

> > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in

> this

> > > > > article, I

> > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate

> this

> > > > > study to

> > > > > > > Maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the

> > > > > efflorescence of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan

> > > Singh

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he

> learnt

> > > water

> > > > > > > diving

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 1898,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen

> Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s

> > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a

> > > > > graduate as

> > > > > > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of

> > > > > astrology,

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the

> name

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in

> the

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no

> birth

> > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on

> 12

> > > Jan

> > > > > > > 1863's

> > > > > > > > > > > morning,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was

> celebrated

> > > in

> > > > > > > Bengal in

> > > > > > > > > > > year of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire

> account

> > > of

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the

> first

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani

> Sangrah "

> > > gave

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source

> how

> > > he

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating

> after

> > > that

> > > > > > > Jeevani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the

> > > charts

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > swami

> > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar

> Lagna

> > > > > begins at

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at

> noon,

> > > Now,

> > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a

> question

> > > that

> > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of

> Swami

> > > Ji,

> > > > > > > though,

> > > > > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could

> be

> > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no

> > > information

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth

> Time,

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > printed

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his

> > > book on

> > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with

> Makar

> > > Lagna,

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > north

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla

> Pally,

> > > > > Calcutta

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > 6:33

> > > > > > > > > > > a.m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve

> of

> > > Makra

> > > > > > > > > Sankranti,

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father

> > > > > Vishwanath

> > > > > > > Datta

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was

> considered

> > > > > generous,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and

> > > religious

> > > > > > > matters.

> > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > > practiced

> > > > > > > > > austerities

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her

> a

> > > son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna

> > > chart

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza

> :

> > > Father

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable

> prperty

> > > in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna

> chart

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun

> in

> > > lagna

> > > > > > > cause a

> > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family

> in a

> > > > > deprived

> > > > > > > > > state,

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals

> was

> > > > > > > difficult to

> > > > > > > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to

> those

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and

> extravaganza

> > > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> Sun in

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his

> extravaganza

> > > as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's

> > > conjunction in

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is

> 8'th

> > > from

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such

> a

> > > superb

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on

> child,

> > > > > needless

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > underline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even

> though

> > > > > Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get

> 4'th

> > > lord

> > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's

> aspect

> > > from

> > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami

> ji's

> > > > > mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister

> died

> > > in a

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > financial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there

> is

> > > no

> > > > > > > > > affliction to

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find

> > > Saturn

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house,

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to

> siblings,

> > > > > saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for

> sister's

> > > death,

> > > > > > > > > further,

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives

> Mars's

> > > aspect

> > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th

> > > house,

> > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early,

> > > There

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart

> > > shows

> > > > > > > > > inadequate

> > > > > > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart,

> you

> > > get

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from

> > > 11'th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask

> yourself,

> > > > > Swamiji

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least

> > > mathematics

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > subject, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in

> > > Arts, he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > BA,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts,

> literature,

> > > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > subjects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music,

> both

> > > vocal

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > instrumental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under

> two

> > > > > ustads,

> > > > > > > Beni

> > > > > > > > > Gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education

> and

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > music,

> > > > > > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami

> Ji's

> > > > > > > education,

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus

> the

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in

> lagna,

> > > this

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu

> lagna,

> > > you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > supportive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on

> 4'th,

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > houses,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a

> vargottama

> > > > > lagna,

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is

> > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to

> > > Lagna,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in

> sports

> > > and

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too,

> further,

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating,

> long

> > > > > bout of

> > > > > > > > > > > sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's

> seen

> > > by

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji

> is,

> > > > > infact, a

> > > > > > > > > Shapt

> > > > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual

> Mythology)

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and

> 9'th

> > > > > houses

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather,

> in

> > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > achievements

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for

> insatiable

> > > lust

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th

> lord

> > > Venus

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the

> rare

> > > > > > > > > configuration,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's

> > > placement

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna

> > > chart,

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's

> > > blessings,

> > > > > > > There it

> > > > > > > > > > > get's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an

> > > exceptional

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no

> significant

> > > role

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one

> into

> > > maya

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mysticism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart,

> you

> > > get

> > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka

> with

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leading

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also

> giving

> > > him

> > > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an

> expression.

> > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has

> > > happened

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Jup's

> > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup

> the

> > > 3rd

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because

> of

> > > Jup's

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > house's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of

> > > modern

> > > > > times

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to

> > > spread

> > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds

> no

> > > > > > > connection

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna

> chart, It

> > > was

> > > > > > > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when

> Guru

> > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's

> > > period .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu

> Lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages,

> Swami

> > > ji's

> > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami

> Ji's

> > > life.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is

> gone

> > > to

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women,

> morever,

> > > this

> > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

> (Kamana).

> > > How

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy

> in

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's

> ability

> > > to

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar

> > > lagna

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon,

> who

> > > is

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination

> > > occurs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made

> him a

> > > son

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation :

> Can

> > > you

> > > > > > > answer,

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it

> a

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation,

> what

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rich

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's

> 7'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination

> > > makes

> > > > > him a

> > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra

> > > (tula)

> > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should

> he

> > > be

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a

> big

> > > n

> > > > > vivid

> > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who

> declare

> > > Swami

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever

> > > seen a

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is

> renunciation

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > dhanu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu

> in

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as

> > > well as

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of

> Kundalini

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > blessing of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his

> > > Kundalini,

> > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house

> and

> > > has

> > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > lordship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

> in

> > > 9'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and

> w'd

> > > > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse

> > > that

> > > > > w'd be

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > homage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary

> which

> > > falls

> > > > > > > today.

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