Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Narayan, What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantra you have used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot of what we are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so much on the material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her inner colour; why she is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote. Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, she is not really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The blooming lotus which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sun rises. Ideally worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deep water and offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is the Paramatman sitting in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and final Mahavidya, who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purity and the minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is the white light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level, she is worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is described as golden hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and the ultimate aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is the personification of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun, and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sun with the Sri Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is the Aditya Hrdaya and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water, offering to the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows through the being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has the power to remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim one must worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of the gurus are born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrim gives not only moksha but also diksha. Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming of the lotus that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which is represented by the colour white. Best regards, Sarbani naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalikeNamaste Lakshmiji,My 2 cents!The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic andesoteric levels.For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared tothe golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these twocolors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truthor satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appearsin its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the colorof thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour ofintuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden huesuppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their brighteffects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! ThusBhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is thesuppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech ofthe opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flowwhen it is of no consequence!Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicatingan adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is anatural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels(descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finallyexperessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, sheis known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion,marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluishdark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have theglow of sapphire, sings the poet.She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts theword is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, theadya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is stillinexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, onecan get to the very source of speech!Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which canclosely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!Hope this helps!Warm Regards-Narayansohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam"so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there areseveral layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level:--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship ofeach Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours ofthe nature from which all other colours spring, and it is onlylogical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours asbase colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like theworld touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away fromShiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's anassimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer tothe Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades.So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhanawhich determines the hue of Mother.> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the factthat the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out ofanger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for theprithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbledperspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabariis an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification ofthe Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--((> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour ofKamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidyahas multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has itsown dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi.Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the populardhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and theelephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she isdescribed as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often thereal mantra will be hidden and can only be received throughinitiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras arenever revealed in books, you will know that very well coming fromthe south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that heis not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to> anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and externalcolour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So theexternal rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internalcolour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara(samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a veryimportant part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completelyin yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara ithas to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri whereall the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is notconsistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use oflotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather thanemphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion andare sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am justa two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and Ican see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoningme to explore further.> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together.> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making thisJourney happen.> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in theday, no time now.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Guys, Namaskar> Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? Iknow that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba,but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form.> When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in thepast, we usually came across different colors for the same devi,i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Taraonly in different forms for different purposes. That sameSarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink.> My understanding is that the color shows the purpose ofworship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house,and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge andeducation, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother(jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when wetalk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnadalagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world.> Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > My information also happens to be Guruji where DasaMahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink isprobably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer(whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. NilaSaraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that iswhat I have been taught...!> > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and mysole source of information is www.> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I haveseen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati.Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, whenI typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She ismapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like bluelotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi areindeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to begolden. > > For example, please visit the following links::> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,please click on the following links: > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> > /mahavidyas.html> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusionsand beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughoutone's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaasoapareetaasa udbhidaH" says?> > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I haveheard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I amright, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white orwatery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM> sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what Ineeded!> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about DasaMahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhibeing a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!!And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and whereJupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She'sblue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would bered/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associatedwith Sun.> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though DasaMahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material andspiritual.> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions andenmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in orderto learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning toaccept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life arerelative and temporary and all through this one must continue toseek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.> > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Jyotisa> I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for theSJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. Thispaper is not going to be published in the JD so please download itand take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdfand noramally does not work> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click onan icon which looks like this> > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interestedastrologers> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.orghttp://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants> > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 om namo bhagavate vâsudevâya Dear Lakshmi, Sarbani, Narayan, Sanjay...and all others.. I am in awe of your knowledge and in envy of your love of UMA or just MA. If only I was born with lagnesh in 4th house as atmakaraka; if only I had some connection between lagnesh and 4th lord; if only my Moon was in a kendra in lagna or exalted dancing with Rohini. Oh how I cry fo such a Moon but I have neither Her knowledge nor Her bhakti and am but a little speck of dust that She created in a serene moment. ok more serious notes - One question...which are the ten directions of the Mahavidya? On colors: colors are a manifestation of creation - of the aparaa vidya and the a-vidya since all color must be due to agni tatva (light) which is again at a low level of manifested universe or in the three lokas - bhu buva and svah. Are there colors where the tatva cease to exist? So how can paraa vidya have a color? or am I getting something wrong? With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Writing a mini-mail as we have 70 confirmed participants (beyond capacity of the auditorium) to struggle to fit in )...first time we have had such a turn out! Actually, I am a bit restrained when expressing my thoughts on these matters on the list (lagna lord in 12th or Saturn aspecting lagna?), but Narayan's mail (and inputs from you) got me so excited that I forgot that there were other people reading my mail and I wrote a bit more freely than usual! I don't know much about this reverse order of dasa mahavidya, but leaving Thakur aside, who could not only master all the mahavidyas, but so many other vidyas as well ) ...I think ordinary mortals like us would take an entire lifetime to do all the mahavidyas. I believe when doing one mahavidya sadhana the sadhaka assumes the bhava of that devi. So it is better to stick to that bhava and do a complete sadhana for at least a year before moving on to the next mahavidya...some people are taught this. I have been taught, that at our level, it is a blessing if we can devote our lifetime to one mahavidya and try to understand her completely - even that much is a great, great blessing. But the billion dollar question is which mahavidya? So jyotishis have multiple debates with each other... I will keep on writing mini-mails... Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:20 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Narayan Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,My..my..That was a very poetic description of Kamalatmika! After reading Narayan's lovely post about philosophy of Mahvidya colours, and your equally beautiful portrayal of Kamalatmika, I am fast coming to a slightly hyperbolic conclusion that Mother's Beauty is making all of us into mini Kalidasas:--)) Your post has inspired me to quote the concluding lines from Lakshmi Sahasranaama stotram.......Shrim beeja japa santusTaa aim hrim shrim beejapaalikaaprapatti maarga sulabhaa vishnu prathama kinkareekleemkaaraartha savithri cha saumaangalyaadhi devathasri shodasaakshari vidyaa sri yantra pura vaasineesarvamangala maangalye shive sarvaartha saadhikesharanye tryambake devi naarayani namostute..I think all your thoughts about Mother Kamalatmika are reflected in these lines.Based on Guruji's thought-provoking paper and the excellent inputs by all of you...I have the following questions and request that the same may be clarified.1) Kamalatmika is the Para, or the ultimate step in mahavidya worship and indicates the highest level of detachment. Then why is it necessary to worship in the reverse order from Kamalatmika to Dakshina Kali for getting complete knowledge of Mahavidya? Doesn't it imply a movement from Para to apara, from detachment to attachment? Or am I missing out on some important point?2) In Thakur's case, it is apparent that the sadhanas from Kamalatmika to Bhuvaneshwari level had naturally and intuitively accrued (as is evident from yogas in his chart-samskara from previous birth?) and it is only from the Bhairavi level that the voluntary efforts or sadhana of Thakur had begun. Then why was he drawn to Kali, when as a matter of natural progression, he should intead gravitate towards Bhairavi worship? Is it because Kali is indicated by mantrapada? Does such a deity indirectly indicate the maturity of one's spiritual sadhana?3)Can a person engage in more than one such sadhana concurrently, as it happened in Sri Ramakrishna's case, e.g., Bhairavi, Tripura Sundari, and Tara?Seeking your answers and thinking up more QsRegards,Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Narayan, What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantra you have used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot of what we are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so much on the material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her inner colour; why she is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote. Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, she is not really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The blooming lotus which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sun rises. Ideally worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deep water and offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is the Paramatman sitting in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and final Mahavidya, who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purity and the minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is the white light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level, she is worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is described as golden hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and the ultimate aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is the personification of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun, and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sun with the Sri Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is the Aditya Hrdaya and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water, offering to the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows through the being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has the power to remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim one must worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of the gurus are born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrim gives not only moksha but also diksha. Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming of the lotus that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which is represented by the colour white. Best regards, Sarbani naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalikeNamaste Lakshmiji,My 2 cents!The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic andesoteric levels.For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared tothe golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these twocolors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truthor satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appearsin its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the colorof thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour ofintuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden huesuppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their brighteffects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! ThusBhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is thesuppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech ofthe opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flowwhen it is of no consequence!Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicatingan adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is anatural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels(descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finallyexperessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, sheis known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion,marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluishdark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have theglow of sapphire, sings the poet.She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts theword is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, theadya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is stillinexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, onecan get to the very source of speech!Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which canclosely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!Hope this helps!Warm Regards-Narayansohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam"so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there areseveral layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level:--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship ofeach Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours ofthe nature from which all other colours spring, and it is onlylogical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours asbase colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like theworld touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away fromShiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's anassimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer tothe Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades.So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhanawhich determines the hue of Mother.> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the factthat the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out ofanger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for theprithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbledperspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabariis an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification ofthe Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--((> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour ofKamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidyahas multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has itsown dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi.Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the populardhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and theelephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she isdescribed as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often thereal mantra will be hidden and can only be received throughinitiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras arenever revealed in books, you will know that very well coming fromthe south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that heis not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to> anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and externalcolour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So theexternal rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internalcolour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara(samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a veryimportant part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completelyin yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara ithas to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri whereall the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is notconsistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use oflotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather thanemphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion andare sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am justa two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and Ican see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoningme to explore further.> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together.> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making thisJourney happen.> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in theday, no time now.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Guys, Namaskar> Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? Iknow that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba,but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form.> When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in thepast, we usually came across different colors for the same devi,i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Taraonly in different forms for different purposes. That sameSarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink.> My understanding is that the color shows the purpose ofworship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house,and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge andeducation, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother(jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when wetalk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnadalagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world.> Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > My information also happens to be Guruji where DasaMahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink isprobably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer(whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. NilaSaraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that iswhat I have been taught...!> > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and mysole source of information is www.> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I haveseen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati.Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, whenI typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She ismapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like bluelotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi areindeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to begolden. > > For example, please visit the following links::> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,please click on the following links: > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> > /mahavidyas.html> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusionsand beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughoutone's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaasoapareetaasa udbhidaH" says?> > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I haveheard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I amright, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white orwatery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM> sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what Ineeded!> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about DasaMahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhibeing a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!!And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and whereJupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She'sblue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would bered/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associatedwith Sun.> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though DasaMahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material andspiritual.> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions andenmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in orderto learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning toaccept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life arerelative and temporary and all through this one must continue toseek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.> > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Jyotisa> I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for theSJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. Thispaper is not going to be published in the JD so please download itand take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdfand noramally does not work> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click onan icon which looks like this> > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interestedastrologers> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.orghttp://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants> > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Lakshmi, Pranams. Let us consider the following:- 1. Child:- MA shall we play hide and seek. First you go and hide i shall find you. okay! Mother:- Yes dear. Child:- Here you are - see how quickly i could find you - you do not know even to hide - Now let me go and hide. Okay Mother:- Okay ....(after some time) come on beta ..i have found you .. come out of your hiding ....It is getting late.. You want me to come and fetch you is it? Okay here I am. Child:- See MA how well i hid myself . It took a long time for you to find me is it not???!!!! Okay MA i am hungry and i am feeling tired will you give me some food and i want to sleep. Mother:- Yes dear. Here is your food. Come . Get on to my lap. The hide and seek game reveals Kamalatmika worship where consciousenss is visible through the objects. All things bright and beautiful and everything is Mother Kamala. Getting on to the lap is the worship of Kali. It is from her we came and unto her we go. Much more if permitted in Delhi conference.. Best wishes. May Mother Bless. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, My..my..That was a very poetic description of Kamalatmika! After reading Narayan's lovely post about philosophy of Mahvidya colours, and your equally beautiful portrayal of Kamalatmika, I am fast coming to a slightly hyperbolic conclusion that Mother's Beauty is making all of us into mini Kalidasas:--)) Your post has inspired me to quote the concluding lines from Lakshmi Sahasranaama stotram.... ...Shrim beeja japa santusTaa aim hrim shrim beejapaalikaa prapatti maarga sulabhaa vishnu prathama kinkaree kleemkaaraartha savithri cha saumaangalyaadhi devatha sri shodasaakshari vidyaa sri yantra pura vaasinee sarvamangala maangalye shive sarvaartha saadhike sharanye tryambake devi naarayani namostute.. I think all your thoughts about Mother Kamalatmika are reflected in these lines. Based on Guruji's thought-provoking paper and the excellent inputs by all of you...I have the following questions and request that the same may be clarified. 1) Kamalatmika is the Para, or the ultimate step in mahavidya worship and indicates the highest level of detachment. Then why is it necessary to worship in the reverse order from Kamalatmika to Dakshina Kali for getting complete knowledge of Mahavidya? Doesn't it imply a movement from Para to apara, from detachment to attachment? Or am I missing out on some important point? 2) In Thakur's case, it is apparent that the sadhanas from Kamalatmika to Bhuvaneshwari level had naturally and intuitively accrued (as is evident from yogas in his chart-samskara from previous birth?) and it is only from the Bhairavi level that the voluntary efforts or sadhana of Thakur had begun. Then why was he drawn to Kali, when as a matter of natural progression, he should intead gravitate towards Bhairavi worship? Is it because Kali is indicated by mantrapada? Does such a deity indirectly indicate the maturity of one's spiritual sadhana? 3)Can a person engage in more than one such sadhana concurrently, as it happened in Sri Ramakrishna's case, e.g., Bhairavi, Tripura Sundari, and Tara? Seeking your answers and thinking up more Qs Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Narayan, What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantra you have used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot of what we are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so much on the material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her inner colour; why she is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote. Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, she is not really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The blooming lotus which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sun rises. Ideally worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deep water and offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is the Paramatman sitting in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and final Mahavidya, who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purity and the minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is the white light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level, she is worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is described as golden hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and the ultimate aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is the personification of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun, and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sun with the Sri Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is the Aditya Hrdaya and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water, offering to the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows through the being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has the power to remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim one must worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of the gurus are born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrim gives not only moksha but also diksha. Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming of the lotus that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which is represented by the colour white. Best regards, Sarbani naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalikeNamaste Lakshmiji,My 2 cents!The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic andesoteric levels.For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared tothe golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these twocolors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truthor satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appearsin its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the colorof thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour ofintuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden huesuppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their brighteffects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! ThusBhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is thesuppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech ofthe opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flowwhen it is of no consequence!Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicatingan adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is anatural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels(descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finallyexperessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, sheis known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion,marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluishdark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have theglow of sapphire, sings the poet.She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts theword is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, theadya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is stillinexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, onecan get to the very source of speech!Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which canclosely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!Hope this helps!Warm Regards-Narayansohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam"so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there areseveral layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level:--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship ofeach Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours ofthe nature from which all other colours spring, and it is onlylogical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours asbase colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like theworld touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away fromShiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's anassimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer tothe Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades.So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhanawhich determines the hue of Mother.> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the factthat the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out ofanger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for theprithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbledperspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabariis an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification ofthe Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--((> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour ofKamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidyahas multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has itsown dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi.Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the populardhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and theelephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she isdescribed as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often thereal mantra will be hidden and can only be received throughinitiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras arenever revealed in books, you will know that very well coming fromthe south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that heis not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to> anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and externalcolour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So theexternal rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internalcolour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara(samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a veryimportant part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completelyin yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara ithas to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri whereall the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is notconsistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use oflotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather thanemphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion andare sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am justa two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and Ican see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoningme to explore further.> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together.> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making thisJourney happen.> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in theday, no time now.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Guys, Namaskar> Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? Iknow that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba,but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form.> When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in thepast, we usually came across different colors for the same devi,i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Taraonly in different forms for different purposes. That sameSarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink.> My understanding is that the color shows the purpose ofworship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house,and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge andeducation, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother(jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when wetalk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnadalagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world.> Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > My information also happens to be Guruji where DasaMahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink isprobably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer(whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. NilaSaraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that iswhat I have been taught...!> > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and mysole source of information is www.> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I haveseen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati.Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, whenI typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She ismapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like bluelotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi areindeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to begolden. > > For example, please visit the following links::> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,please click on the following links: > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> > /mahavidyas.html> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusionsand beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughoutone's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaasoapareetaasa udbhidaH" says?> > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I haveheard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I amright, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white orwatery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM> sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what Ineeded!> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about DasaMahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhibeing a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!!And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and whereJupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She'sblue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would bered/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associatedwith Sun.> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though DasaMahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material andspiritual.> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions andenmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in orderto learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning toaccept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life arerelative and temporary and all through this one must continue toseek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.> > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Jyotisa> I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for theSJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. Thispaper is not going to be published in the JD so please download itand take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdfand noramally does not work> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click onan icon which looks like this> > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interestedastrologers> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.orghttp://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants> > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Ram, Namaste. That's great scripting and I can already see you acting it out:--)) Yes, we are indeed Her children and She does come down to our level to make us happy and cared for. That's Mother, yes. I am waiting to hear your lecture on CD. You did a marvellous job last time and I'm sure it's going to be much more interesting this time. All the best. Regards, Lakshmi rama narayanan <sree88ganesha wrote: SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Lakshmi, Pranams. Let us consider the following:- 1. Child:- MA shall we play hide and seek. First you go and hide i shall find you. okay! Mother:- Yes dear. Child:- Here you are - see how quickly i could find you - you do not know even to hide - Now let me go and hide. Okay Mother:- Okay ....(after some time) come on beta ..i have found you .. come out of your hiding ....It is getting late.. You want me to come and fetch you is it? Okay here I am. Child:- See MA how well i hid myself . It took a long time for you to find me is it not???!!!! Okay MA i am hungry and i am feeling tired will you give me some food and i want to sleep. Mother:- Yes dear. Here is your food. Come . Get on to my lap. The hide and seek game reveals Kamalatmika worship where consciousenss is visible through the objects. All things bright and beautiful and everything is Mother Kamala. Getting on to the lap is the worship of Kali. It is from her we came and unto her we go. Much more if permitted in Delhi conference.. Best wishes. May Mother Bless. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, My..my..That was a very poetic description of Kamalatmika! After reading Narayan's lovely post about philosophy of Mahvidya colours, and your equally beautiful portrayal of Kamalatmika, I am fast coming to a slightly hyperbolic conclusion that Mother's Beauty is making all of us into mini Kalidasas:--)) Your post has inspired me to quote the concluding lines from Lakshmi Sahasranaama stotram.... ...Shrim beeja japa santusTaa aim hrim shrim beejapaalikaa prapatti maarga sulabhaa vishnu prathama kinkaree kleemkaaraartha savithri cha saumaangalyaadhi devatha sri shodasaakshari vidyaa sri yantra pura vaasinee sarvamangala maangalye shive sarvaartha saadhike sharanye tryambake devi naarayani namostute.. I think all your thoughts about Mother Kamalatmika are reflected in these lines. Based on Guruji's thought-provoking paper and the excellent inputs by all of you...I have the following questions and request that the same may be clarified. 1) Kamalatmika is the Para, or the ultimate step in mahavidya worship and indicates the highest level of detachment. Then why is it necessary to worship in the reverse order from Kamalatmika to Dakshina Kali for getting complete knowledge of Mahavidya? Doesn't it imply a movement from Para to apara, from detachment to attachment? Or am I missing out on some important point? 2) In Thakur's case, it is apparent that the sadhanas from Kamalatmika to Bhuvaneshwari level had naturally and intuitively accrued (as is evident from yogas in his chart-samskara from previous birth?) and it is only from the Bhairavi level that the voluntary efforts or sadhana of Thakur had begun. Then why was he drawn to Kali, when as a matter of natural progression, he should intead gravitate towards Bhairavi worship? Is it because Kali is indicated by mantrapada? Does such a deity indirectly indicate the maturity of one's spiritual sadhana? 3)Can a person engage in more than one such sadhana concurrently, as it happened in Sri Ramakrishna's case, e.g., Bhairavi, Tripura Sundari, and Tara? Seeking your answers and thinking up more Qs Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Narayan, What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantra you have used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot of what we are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so much on the material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her inner colour; why she is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote. Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, she is not really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The blooming lotus which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sun rises. Ideally worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deep water and offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is the Paramatman sitting in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and final Mahavidya, who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purity and the minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is the white light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level, she is worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is described as golden hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and the ultimate aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is the personification of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun, and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sun with the Sri Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is the Aditya Hrdaya and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water, offering to the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows through the being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has the power to remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim one must worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of the gurus are born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrim gives not only moksha but also diksha. Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming of the lotus that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which is represented by the colour white. Best regards, Sarbani naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalikeNamaste Lakshmiji,My 2 cents!The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic andesoteric levels.For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared tothe golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these twocolors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truthor satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appearsin its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the colorof thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour ofintuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden huesuppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their brighteffects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! ThusBhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is thesuppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech ofthe opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flowwhen it is of no consequence!Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicatingan adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is anatural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels(descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finallyexperessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, sheis known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion,marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluishdark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have theglow of sapphire, sings the poet.She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts theword is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, theadya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is stillinexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, onecan get to the very source of speech!Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which canclosely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!Hope this helps!Warm Regards-Narayansohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam"so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there areseveral layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level:--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship ofeach Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours ofthe nature from which all other colours spring, and it is onlylogical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours asbase colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like theworld touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away fromShiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's anassimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer tothe Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades.So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhanawhich determines the hue of Mother.> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the factthat the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out ofanger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for theprithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbledperspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabariis an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification ofthe Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--((> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour ofKamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidyahas multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has itsown dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi.Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the populardhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and theelephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she isdescribed as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often thereal mantra will be hidden and can only be received throughinitiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras arenever revealed in books, you will know that very well coming fromthe south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that heis not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to> anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and externalcolour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So theexternal rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internalcolour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara(samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a veryimportant part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completelyin yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara ithas to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri whereall the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is notconsistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use oflotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather thanemphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion andare sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am justa two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and Ican see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoningme to explore further.> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together.> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making thisJourney happen.> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in theday, no time now.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Guys, Namaskar> Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? Iknow that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba,but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form.> When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in thepast, we usually came across different colors for the same devi,i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Taraonly in different forms for different purposes. That sameSarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink.> My understanding is that the color shows the purpose ofworship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house,and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge andeducation, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother(jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when wetalk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnadalagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world.> Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > My information also happens to be Guruji where DasaMahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink isprobably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer(whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. NilaSaraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that iswhat I have been taught...!> > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and mysole source of information is www.> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I haveseen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati.Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, whenI typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She ismapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like bluelotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi areindeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to begolden. > > For example, please visit the following links::> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,please click on the following links: > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> > /mahavidyas.html> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusionsand beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughoutone's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaasoapareetaasa udbhidaH" says?> > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I haveheard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I amright, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white orwatery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM> sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what Ineeded!> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about DasaMahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhibeing a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!!And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and whereJupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She'sblue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would bered/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associatedwith Sun.> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though DasaMahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material andspiritual.> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions andenmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in orderto learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning toaccept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life arerelative and temporary and all through this one must continue toseek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.> > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Jyotisa> I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for theSJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. Thispaper is not going to be published in the JD so please download itand take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdfand noramally does not work> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click onan icon which looks like this> > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interestedastrologers> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.orghttp://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants> > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 |om| Dear Nitin, If I am allowed to interject here, I would like to add that normally for istadevata worship, a dwadasakshari mantra (having 12 aksharas or syllables) is chosen as it is akin to the sudarsana chakra that strikes at the root cause of human bondage. I infer from your writings that Saturn represents the istadevata in your chart and thus I would advise the dwadasakshari mantra ||om namo bhagavate akuparaaya|| As for Kali and other dasamahavidyas, please take a look at Sanjay's recent paper. If Saturn also has a link with 6th from amatyakaraka in your navamsa chart, you may choose to worship Ma Kali as your palanakarta devata. Eventually over a period of time you will be led to your chosen istadevata. best regards Hari On 1/9/06, Nitin Sahadevan <nsdevan wrote: ||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya|| Sarbanji and respected members: I am steering away from the subejct here.. I read that you noticed the mantra by Narayanji. All I wanted was the import of that mantra - does it pay obesiance and pray for the blessings of Lord Krishna and Ma Kaali together.. The mantra I have been saying all my life is at the top of this post. My question arises because only recently Narasimhaji was kind enough to let me know that Ma Kaali is my Ista Devta [and I know my dharma devata is Lord Krishna - Moon 9th from AK in Navamsa]. So will it do a dual wonder if I recited this mantra..Do let me know your views. Kind Regards nitin On 1/7/06, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani > wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 kreem kaalike svaaha Deae Sarbani, Nice to hear from you too!! Apologize for the delay ... too many things going on ), and thanks for the wonderful information on Kamalaatmikaa! Dasa Mahaavidyaas are best experienced by personal practice, not by reading! I do know of your kamalaatmikaa worship (we talked about this in NY when we last met) ... and fully agree with Sanjayji's observation that the saadhakaa are usually put to test. Last month, a Kaali upaasakaa initiated me with Kaali mantras. Since then, I have been regularly doing Kaali japa (after midnight ofcourse) ... and immediately within a week, I lost my job! Funnily, I was not feeling too good at work, and I just did my kaali mantra a work and requested Kaali Maa to take care of me ... guess what ... within 5 minutes, my boss called me into his office and told me that they cant afford to pay me )! But the good thing is I have decided to take a 2 month long vacation to India (visiting all holy places) including a Shata Chandika Homa!! The person who initiated me told me it was a good shakuna to be able to attend the Shata Chandi Homam soon after initiation! Hope the conference went well. Let us know. Warm Regards Narayan sohamsa , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Narayan, > > What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantra you have > used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot of what we > are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of > whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so much on the > material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her inner colour; why she > is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote. > > Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, she is not > really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The blooming lotus > which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at > once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sun rises. Ideally > worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deep water and > offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of > time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is the Paramatman sitting > in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and final Mahavidya, > who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That > is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purity and the > minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is the white > light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the > purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level, she is > worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is described as golden > hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one > who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and the ultimate > aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is the personification > of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun, > and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sun with the Sri > Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is the Aditya Hrdaya > and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when > he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of > Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water, offering to > the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the > rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows through the > being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has the power to > remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya > as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim one must > worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of the gurus are > born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The > only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrim gives not > only moksha but also diksha. > > Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of > the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming of the lotus > that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which is represented by > the colour white. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > _____ > > naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa@g...] > Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PM > sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > kreem krishna kalike > > Namaste Lakshmiji, > > My 2 cents! > > The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic and > esoteric levels. > > For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared to > the golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these two > colors are different! > > The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truth > or satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appears > in its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the color > of thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour of > intuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden hue > suppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact, > yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their bright > effects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! Thus > Bhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events! > > Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is the > suppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech of > the opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flow > when it is of no consequence! > > Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicating > an adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is a > natural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels > (descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finally > experessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, she > is known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion, > marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluish > dark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have the > glow of sapphire, sings the poet. > > She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts the > word is ut-shista meaning " the residual above " , meaning, although, the > adya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is still > inexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, one > can get to the very source of speech! > > Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which can > closely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color! > > Hope this helps! > Warm Regards > -Narayan > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as " hiranya varNaam " > so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there are > several layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level > :--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship of > each Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours of > the nature from which all other colours spring, and it is only > logical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours as > base colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like the > world touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away from > Shiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's an > assimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer to > the Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's > sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades. > So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhana > which determines the hue of Mother. > > > > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the fact > that the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out of > anger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I > also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for the > prithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbled > perspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution. > And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabari > is an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification of > the Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read > somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one > learns…through questions:--(( > > > > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging. > > > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru > Smarami > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour of > Kamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the > dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidya > has multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has its > own dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi. > Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the popular > dhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and the > elephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, > core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she is > described as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often the > real mantra will be hidden and can only be received through > initiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras are > never revealed in books, you will know that very well coming from > the south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that he > is not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to > > anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with. > > > > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and external > colour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and > externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So the > external rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internal > colour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara > (samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a very > important part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completely > in yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara it > has to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri where > all the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is not > consistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use of > lotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather than > emphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in > Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM > > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and > are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just > a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and I > can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoning > me to explore further. > > > > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please > do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn > together. > > > > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this > Journey happen. > > > > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the > day, no time now. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote: > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare > Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Guys, Namaskar > > Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I > know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, > but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once > saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that > form. > > When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the > past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, > i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from > Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara > only in different forms for different purposes. That same > Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its > also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. > > My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of > worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact > purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, > and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and > education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother > (jagatprasuti). > > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we > talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada > lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain > yourself in this world. > > Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > > 05 January 2006 18:00 > > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa > Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is > probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer > (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. > Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila > Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is > what I have been taught...! > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM > > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read > any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my > sole source of information is www. > > > > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have > seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. > Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when > I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is > mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue > lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are > indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be > golden. > > > > For example, please visit the following links:: > > > > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm > > > > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, > please click on the following links: > > > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx? _c11_PhotoAlbum_spa > Handler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZ UNvbnRy > b2xsZXI%24 > <http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx? _c11_PhotoAlbum_sp > aHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9k ZUNvbnR > yb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns! 1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c= > PhotoAlbum> > & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg! 420 & _c=PhotoAlbum > > > > /mahavidyas.html > > > > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions > and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout > one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. > isn't this what the " aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso > apareetaasa udbhidaH " says? > > > > Waiting for your corrections, > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have > heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am > right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or > watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Guruji, > > > > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I > needed! > > > > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa > Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi > being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that > She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! > And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where > Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's > blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be > red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated > with Sun. > > > > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa > Mahavidya worship > > > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and > spiritual. > > > > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and > enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order > to learn!! > > > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to > accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of > enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all > enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed. > > > > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are > relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to > seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent. > > > > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > > Dear Jyotisa > > I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the > SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This > paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it > and take a print for the conference. > > > > The link is here > http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneu q7vTmHv > QA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das% 20Mahavidya. > pdf > and noramally does not work > > > > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on > an icon which looks like this > > > > > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested > astrologers > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > Yours truly > > Sanjay Rath > > ---------------------------- ----- > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org > http://sjcerc.com > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi > 110060, India > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > ---------------------------- ------ > > > > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos > > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos > > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or > less > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Narayan, In your Navamsa, 5th from your Amaatya kaaraka is Dhanur with Saturn in it. Saturn is your Ak. No wonder Kaali started to give you immediate instructions on your work. The work you need to do in world is related to your Ak Saturn in Dhanur (Higher Studies/Dharma). Warm Regards Sanjay P On 1/20/06, naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa wrote: kreem kaalike svaahaDeae Sarbani,Nice to hear from you too!! Apologize for the delay ... too manythings going on ), and thanks for the wonderful information onKamalaatmikaa!Dasa Mahaavidyaas are best experienced by personal practice, not by reading! I do know of your kamalaatmikaa worship (we talked aboutthis in NY when we last met) ... and fully agree with Sanjayji'sobservation that the saadhakaa are usually put to test.Last month, a Kaali upaasakaa initiated me with Kaali mantras. Since then, I have been regularly doing Kaali japa (after midnightofcourse) ... and immediately within a week, I lost my job! Funnily,I was not feeling too good at work, and I just did my kaali mantra awork and requested Kaali Maa to take care of me ... guess what ... within 5 minutes, my boss called me into his office andtold me that they cant afford to pay me )!But the good thing is I have decided to take a 2 month long vacationto India (visiting all holy places) including a Shata Chandika Homa!! The person who initiated me told me it was a good shakuna tobe able to attend the Shata Chandi Homam soon after initiation!Hope the conference went well. Let us know.Warm RegardsNarayan sohamsa , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...>wrote:>> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami>> Dear Narayan,> > What a pleasure to read your mail. (I notice the unusual mantrayou have> used on top of your post). And you have correctly hit the spot ofwhat we> are referring to about colours of the Mahavidyas. We are not talking of> whether Bagala appears in a white or a red sari, which is so muchon the> material plane, but of the colour of her essence, her innercolour; why she> is unequivocally known as the pitambar vidya. I am just so glad you wrote.>> Similarly we view Kamalatmika's white or pastel hues. Firstly, sheis not> really Lakshmi but more akin to Gayatri, and is Para. The bloominglotus> which is symbolic of the awakened kundalini or the realization of God; at> once representing the hrdaya padma, and worshipped as the Sunrises. Ideally> worshipped at that time of Brahma muhurta standing in waist deepwater and> offering the water to the Sun, and saying her mantra that many millions of> time we are supposed to! That is her sadhana. She is theParamatman sitting> in the heart lotus, whom we are worshipping. The 10th and finalMahavidya,> who represents the dawning of Brahmagyana and the ultimate realization. That> is why she is so difficult to worship; requiring the utmost purityand the> minimal of rituals, she is the most elusive one. The white is thewhite> light of the paramatman; the pastel, the pastel hues of Pisces. It is the> purity of Venus that we are addressing here ! At the first level,she is> worshipped with her ekakshara mantra Shrim, where she is describedas golden> hued...and Shrim is nothing but the giver of chaturvarga phala and the one> who helps you to transcend Mahamaya. It is the mantra raja and theultimate> aim of all sadhaka is to do the sodasi mantra. Shrim is thepersonification> of Rama, whose bijakshara is Shrim. He burns away all our sins like the Sun,> and this highest ideal of purity is Shrim. Shrim links the Sunwith the Sri> Yantra as the tip of the Sun is Savitur. The full Sun is theAditya Hrdaya> and Shrim is that moment when the Sun has just risen fully, as that is when> he gives the drop of Amrita. Hence the 12 and 13 akshara mantras of> Kamalatmika is done at the Savitur point waist deep in water,offering to> the Sun, till it has reached the Aditya Hrdaya stage. The Moon moves in the> rhythm of Shrim. When Shrim sits on the head, nectar flows throughthe> being. That is why Moon is all about sustenance. Shrim has thepower to> remove poison, coming from the mind of Atri muni. It is the highest tapasya> as everything in the world has to obey Shrim. To worship Shrim onemust> worship Satyanarayana, the upholder of truth. the highest of thegurus are> born on full moon, depicting the link between Shrim and Satyanarayana. The> only way to have a stable Moon is to worship Satyanarayana. Shrimgives not> only moksha but also diksha.>> Kamalatmika is the path of Sri. Shrim will enable the lotus to come out of> the mire of the muddy water and to bloom. It is the blooming ofthe lotus> that we wait for our entire lives. It is that purity which isrepresented by> the colour white.> > Best regards,>> Sarbani>>>>> _____>> naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa@g...]> Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PM > sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi>>> kreem krishna kalike>> Namaste Lakshmiji, >> My 2 cents!>> The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic and> esoteric levels.>> For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then youcompared to > the golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, thesetwo> colors are different!>> The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supremetruth> or satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appears> in its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is thecolor> of thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests thedownpour of> intuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden hue > suppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,> yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their bright> effects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! Thus> Bhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!>> Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is the> suppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech of> the opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flow> when it is of no consequence!>> Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, therebyindicating> an adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is a > natural result of thought/inspiration going through all thechannels> (descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finally> experessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, she> is known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark incomplexion,> marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled asbluish> dark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have the> glow of sapphire, sings the poet.>> She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts the> word is ut-shista meaning " the residual above " , meaning, although, the> adya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it isstill> inexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech,one> can get to the very source of speech!> > Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird whichcan> closely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!>> Hope this helps!> Warm Regards> -Narayan >>>>> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh<b_lakshmi_ramesh>> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah > >> > Dear Sarbani,> > Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as " hiranya varNaam " > so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there are> several layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level> :--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship of> each Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary coloursof> the nature from which all other colours spring, and it is only > logical that Mother as Nature should also have these two coloursas> base colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, likethe> world touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away from> Shiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She'san> assimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicatethat.> >> >> > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer to> the Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. Asone's> sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softershades.> So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhana > which determines the hue of Mother.> >> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the fact> that the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out of> anger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I> also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for the> prithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbled> perspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.> And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself.> >> > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista ofSabari> is an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification of> the Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!!> >> > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read> somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one > learns…through questions:--((> >> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> >> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: ShriBrahmadaru> Smarami> >> > Dear Lakshmi,> >> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour of> Kamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the> dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. EachMahavidya> has multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra hasits> own dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi. > Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the popular> dhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and the> elephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, > core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she is> described as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often the> real mantra will be hidden and can only be received through> initiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras are > never revealed in books, you will know that very well coming from> the south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said thathe> is not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to > > anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> >> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and external> colour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and > externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So the> external rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internal> colour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara> (samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays avery> important part in her worship and the sadhaka has to becompletely> in yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara it> has to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puriwhere> all the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is not> consistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use of > lotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika ratherthan> emphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial rolein> Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > >> > Best Regards,> >> > Sarbani> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > lakshmi ramesh [ b_lakshmi_ramesh]> > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > >> >> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Dear Visti,> >> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and> are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just> a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Motherand I> can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smilingface...beckoning> me to explore further.> >> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please> do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all maylearn> together.> >> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this> Journey happen. > >> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the> day, no time now.> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> >> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}> .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }||Hare > Rama Krsna||> > Dear Guys, Namaskar> > Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I> know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, > but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. Ionce> saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understoodthat> form.> > When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the > past, we usually came across different colors for the samedevi,> i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from> Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara> only in different forms for different purposes. That same> Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi.Its> also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. > > My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of> worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact> purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourthhouse, > and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and> education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be amother> (jagatprasuti).> > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we> talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada> lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you cansustain> yourself in this world.> > Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit:> > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > ***> >> >> > > >> > Sarbani Sarkar [ sarbani@s...]> > 05 January 2006 18:00> > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > >> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> >> > Dear Lakshmi,> >> > My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa> Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is > probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik signCancer> (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be thepranava.> Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila > Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Orthat is> what I have been taught...!> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Sarbani> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]> > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM > > sohamsa > > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Dear Sarbani, > >> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have notread> any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have andmy> sole source of information is www. > >> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and Ihave> seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her NilaSaraswati.> Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when> I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is> mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue> lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are> indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be> golden.> >> > For example, please visit the following links::> >> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> >> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,> please click on the following links:> >> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spa>Handler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRy> b2xsZXI%24> < http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_sp>aHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnR> yb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns! 1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=> PhotoAlbum>> & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> >> > /mahavidyas.html> >> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions> and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout > one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.> isn't this what the " aa no bhadraa kratavo yantuvishwatodabdhaaso> apareetaasa udbhidaH " says?> >> > Waiting for your corrections, > >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> >> > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> >> > Dear Lakshmi, > >> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have> heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am> right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or > watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Sarbani> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]> > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Namaste Guruji, > >> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just whatI> needed!> >> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa> Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi> being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that> She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambarividya!!> And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where> Jupiter is exalted Mars is not.> >> > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter,She's> blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be > red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated> with Sun.> >> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa> Mahavidya worship> > > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both materialand> spiritual.> >> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and> enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order> to learn!!> >> > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learningto> accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feelingof> enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis ofall> enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed. > >> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are> relative and temporary and all through this one must continueto> seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent. > >> > Thanks for the lovely lesson.> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote:> >> >> > > >> > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> > Dear Jyotisa> > I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation forthe> SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This> paper is not going to be published in the JD so pleasedownload it> and take a print for the conference.> >> > The link is here> http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHv> QA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.> pdf> and noramally does not work > >> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then clickon> an icon which looks like this> >> >> > Das Mahavidya.pdf> > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV AnnualDelhi> >> > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested> astrologers> > With best wishes & warm regards, > > Yours truly> > Sanjay Rath> > > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org> http://sjcerc.com> > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi> 110060, India> > Phone: +91.11.25717162> > -> >> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants > >> >> >> > > >> > Photos> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos,events,> holidays, whatever. > >> >> >> > > >> > Photos> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos,events, > holidays, whatever.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or > less> >> > *tat savitur varenyam*> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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