Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Sister, if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food. best regards utpal sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Lakhmi Bahen > Namaste, > > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) > > > regards, > utpal > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Utpal ji, > > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/ > > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord > > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either > > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two > > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted > > coffee till now and i am 45! > > > > Howzzat? > > > > :--)) > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My logic goes as follows: > > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most > > > people. but what > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state. > > > so i feel that > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both > > > is erquired to > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot > > > Tea/cofee... > > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd > > > house & it's lord > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting > > > only Lagna & it's > > > lord because the fact that the planet which > > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters > > > connected to it's > > > natural significations and i am trying to findout > > > weather or not Mars > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc. > > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves above > > > right > > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus + > > > exchange with Mercury > > > (Lagna lord) > > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus > > > i scorpio Lagna > > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna > > > lord Sun & > > > Strongly influencing Lagna > > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also > > > has Strong > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru. > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " > > > <souravc108> > > > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why > > > both Lagna and > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is > > > suffice if at all > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the > > > connection to > > > the > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech > > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it more. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav Dada, > > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again. > > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be > > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > and i > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd > > > house. actually > > > > they > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated. > > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I > > > have said that > > > > Though > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of > > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > general > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND > > > Lagnesh both creates > > > HOT > > > > > TEA drinking habits. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break > > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > > > Chowdhury " > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. In the context of > > > food do read > > > Prashna > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in > > > the Part Two of > > > > the > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna > > > (Query related to > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to > > > what/how/how > > > > much/with > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and > > > Ve is defeated > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What > > > are the avasthas of > > > > > > these two planets ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To: > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > > Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: > > > Food+Drinking Habits PART- > > > 1 > > > > > > (Hot Tea & Mars) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for you erply & input. first of all > > > let me clear one > > > > thing > > > > > > that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default > > > in any of our > > > > > > astrological discussions even if the mention > > > of it is not there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a > > > very fast eater. i > > > > > > finish my food very fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i rememered one more chart who has a > > > Strong Influence of > > > > Mars > > > > > > on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when > > > he has written > > > > > > following line in a recent mail.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There are no charges but students are > > > expected to buy coffee > > > > for > > > > > > Pt.Rath " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also > > > habitual with > > > > > Tea/cofee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > Interesting discussion on food!! The point > > > to be noted or > > > > > > analysed > > > > > > > is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H > > > for an Aries > > > > > > Ascendant, > > > > > > > here implies, some finishing his / her food > > > fast!!! Mars is a > > > > > > action > > > > > > > oriented planet and he has little patience > > > !!! Venus is > > > > a " slow > > > > > > > eater " . One has to apply " Desh, Kaal Patra " > > > in all such > > > > cases. > > > > > > > Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking > > > non-vegetarian > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Utpal Namaste I have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond of taking tea or coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I have stopped taking Tea and for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five years my body is nicotineless as well. What do you say? Another question which would be appropiate to this disscussions and was troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) tell me analysing Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it from his past life? AL in D-60 is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting Lagna and Rahu aspecting lagna lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may show death due to disease related to lungs! What do you say? Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar utpal pathak wrote: Dear Sister, if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food. best regards utpal sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Lakhmi Bahen Namaste, yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) regards, utpal sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Utpal ji, I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/ chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted coffee till now and i am 45! Howzzat? :--)) Regards, Lakshmi --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: Dear Sourav, Namaste, My logic goes as follows: Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most people. but what standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state. so i feel that Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both is erquired to really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot Tea/cofee... Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd house & it's lord (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting only Lagna & it's lord because the fact that the planet which influences Lagna & it;s lord strongly has a definate say over matters connected to it's natural significations and i am trying to findout weather or not Mars is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc. At present i have got 3 examples which proves above right 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus + exchange with Mercury (Lagna lord) 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus i scorpio Lagna 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna lord Sun & Strongly influencing Lagna Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also has Strong influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru. best regards, utpal sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Utpal-bhai, Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why both Lagna and Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is suffice if at all that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the connection to the 2H/L when it comes to food/speech I would need your chart to look into it more. Best Regards, Sourav ============================================================= sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Dear Sourav Dada, After a long break, we are talking again. as i said in my email, Food Habits will be discussed in Part-2. and i think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd house. actually they are in Lagna & Mars is defeated. furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I have said that Though 2nd house & lord is the indicator of Food,Drinking habits in general BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND Lagnesh both creates HOT TEA drinking habits. Warm regards after a long break utpal pathak sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Utpal-bhai, Namaskar. In the context of food do read Prashna Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in the Part Two of the book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna (Query related to Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to what/how/how much/with whom etc the food is taken. Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and Ve is defeated in the grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What are the avasthas of these two planets ? Best Regards, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To: vedic- astrology Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART- 1 (Hot Tea & Mars) Dear Srinivas, Thanks for you erply & input. first of all let me clear one thing that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default in any of our astrological discussions even if the mention of it is not there. I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a very fast eater. i finish my food very fast. Now i rememered one more chart who has a Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when he has written following line in a recent mail.. "There are no charges but students are expected to buy coffee for Pt.Rath :)" i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also habitual with Tea/cofee. regards, utpal Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote: Interesting discussion on food!! The point to be noted or analysed is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H for an Aries Ascendant, here implies, some finishing his / her food fast!!! Mars is a action oriented planet and he has little patience !!! Venus is a "slow eater". One has to apply "Desh, Kaal Patra" in all such cases. Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking non-vegetarian === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Prabodh, Namaste, I knew already that you had Mars in Ruchaka yoga in Lagna & waiting for your inputs which i was sure of coming sooner or later. as regarding Sanjayji, I may not look in to D60 as i am yet not confident myself to coment by reading D60. But i am trying to answer your first question by looking at Rahi chart. >why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he still gets into this tamas. > Only thing I can see is that, Lagna has a Meena Rashi which is considered as Very senstive sign and which is prone to get influenced by Surroundings. Now Though Meens has strong Jupiter forming Hamsa Yoga, It is aspected By Shani (actually controlled by Shani with 3rd aspect who is also AK) and Mars placed in Maran Karka sthana. Now Lagna & Lagnesha both are strongly influenced by Rahu-Ketu & Mars with RASHI Drashti as well. hence summing up, Lagna & Lagnesha with the influence from Nodes, Saturn & Mars are bound to influence him However Guru's own house placement has really really saved him & surrounding atmosphere. best regards, utpal Prabodh Vekhande <prabodh.wekhande wrote: Dear Utpal NamasteI have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond of taking tea or coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I have stopped taking Tea and for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five years my body is nicotineless as well. What do you say? Another question which would be appropiate to this disscussions and was troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) tell me analysing Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it from his past life? AL in D-60 is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting Lagna and Rahu aspecting lagna lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may show death due to disease related to lungs! What do you say?Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankarutpal pathak wrote: Dear Sister, if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food. best regards utpal sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Lakhmi Bahen Namaste, yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) regards, utpal sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Utpal ji, I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/ chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted coffee till now and i am 45! Howzzat? :--)) Regards, Lakshmi --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: Dear Sourav, Namaste, My logic goes as follows: Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most people. but what standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state. so i feel that Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both is erquired to really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot Tea/cofee... Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd house & it's lord (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting only Lagna & it's lord because the fact that the planet which influences Lagna & it;s lord strongly has a definate say over matters connected to it's natural significations and i am trying to findout weather or not Mars is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc. At present i have got 3 examples which proves above right 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus + exchange with Mercury (Lagna lord) 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus i scorpio Lagna 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna lord Sun & Strongly influencing Lagna Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also has Strong influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru. best regards, utpal sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Utpal-bhai, Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why both Lagna and Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is suffice if at all that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the connection to the 2H/L when it comes to food/speech I would need your chart to look into it more. Best Regards, Sourav ============================================================= sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: Dear Sourav Dada, After a long break, we are talking again. as i said in my email, Food Habits will be discussed in Part-2. and i think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd house. actually they are in Lagna & Mars is defeated. furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I have said that Though 2nd house & lord is the indicator of Food,Drinking habits in general BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND Lagnesh both creates HOT TEA drinking habits. Warm regards after a long break utpal pathak sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Utpal-bhai, Namaskar. In the context of food do read Prashna Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in the Part Two of the book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna (Query related to Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to what/how/how much/with whom etc the food is taken. Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and Ve is defeated in the grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What are the avasthas of these two planets ? Best Regards, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To: vedic- astrology Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART- 1 (Hot Tea & Mars) Dear Srinivas, Thanks for you erply & input. first of all let me clear one thing that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default in any of our astrological discussions even if the mention of it is not there. I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a very fast eater. i finish my food very fast. Now i rememered one more chart who has a Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when he has written following line in a recent mail.. "There are no charges but students are expected to buy coffee for Pt.Rath :)" i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also habitual with Tea/cofee. regards, utpal Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote: Interesting discussion on food!! The point to be noted or analysed is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H for an Aries Ascendant, here implies, some finishing his / her food fast!!! Mars is a action oriented planet and he has little patience !!! Venus is a "slow eater". One has to apply "Desh, Kaal Patra" in all such cases. Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking non-vegetarian === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Utpal Bhai, What an incredible memory! It’s simply beyond me how you could remember a chart you have observed barely for 5-10 minutes way back in January! Care to share the secret with me :--)) because I have an abominable memory, especially for names and charts! Your observation about Gaja kesari rings true because despite having all malefic associations (Saturn in lagna, Mars-AK and Rahu aspect the lagna) to which the lagna lord and moon are equally exposed…my tastes/habits remain moderate. As Bharat ji had mentioned, perhaps the water sign (Pisces) rising makes guruji more vulnerable and a fire sign as lagna makes me more immune/resistant? Have you investigated this interesting possibility? Regards, Lakshmi --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > Dear Sister, > > if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai > conf. you have Guru > in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful > Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel > the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may > have averted the > influence of mars and might have turned your liking > towards 'Sweet; > soft & more satwik food. > > best regards > > utpal > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " > <vedic_pathak> > wrote: > > Lakhmi Bahen > > Namaste, > > > > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) > > > > > > regards, > > utpal > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Utpal ji, > > > > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/ > > > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd > lord > > > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched > either > > > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two > > > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't > tasted > > > coffee till now and i am 45! > > > > > > Howzzat? > > > > > > :--)) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My logic goes as follows: > > > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff > with most > > > > people. but what > > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT > state. > > > > so i feel that > > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord > both > > > > is erquired to > > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having > Hot > > > > Tea/cofee... > > > > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking > 2nd > > > > house & it's lord > > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and > projecting > > > > only Lagna & it's > > > > lord because the fact that the planet which > > > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters > > > > connected to it's > > > > natural significations and i am trying to > findout > > > > weather or not Mars > > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc. > > > > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves > above > > > > right > > > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus + > > > > exchange with Mercury > > > > (Lagna lord) > > > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - > Mars+Venus > > > > i scorpio Lagna > > > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with > Lagna > > > > lord Sun & > > > > Strongly influencing Lagna > > > > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, > who also > > > > has Strong > > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru. > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > Chowdhury " > > > > <souravc108> > > > > wrote: > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. > But why > > > > both Lagna and > > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord > is > > > > suffice if at all > > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring > in the > > > > connection to > > > > the > > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech > > > > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it > more. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " utpal > pathak " > > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav Dada, > > > > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again. > > > > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be > > > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > > and i > > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in > 2nd > > > > house. actually > > > > > they > > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated. > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original > mail, I > > > > have said that > > > > > Though > > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of > > > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > > general > > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND > > > > Lagnesh both creates > > > > HOT > > > > > > TEA drinking habits. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > > > > Chowdhury " > > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. In the context > of > > > > food do read > > > > Prashna > > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII > (27) in > > > > the Part Two of > > > > > the > > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana > Prashna > > > > (Query related to > > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators > as to > > > > what/how/how > > > > > much/with > > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst > Ma and > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Lakshmi Bahen, Some details of your chart which is saw in Jan, fortunately did not registered in to BAD SECTORS of My Memory Hard disk. that is the only thing. I don't possess exceptional memory as you anticipated. but i am thankful for your kind words. about Meena Rashi, you can refer my mail addressed to Prabodh Bhai, where-in i have given some explanation of Sensitive Meena rashi of Sanjayji. and off-course, Dhanu is a fiery sign which has 'Never say Die attitude' and hence a boon in fight against TAMAS. best regards, utpal sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Utpal Bhai, > > What an incredible memory! It's simply beyond me how > you could remember a chart you have observed barely > for 5-10 minutes way back in January! Care to share > the secret with me :--)) because I have an abominable > memory, especially for names and charts! > > Your observation about Gaja kesari rings true because > despite having all malefic associations (Saturn in > lagna, Mars-AK and Rahu aspect the lagna) to which the > lagna lord and moon are equally exposed…my > tastes/habits remain moderate. As Bharat ji had > mentioned, perhaps the water sign (Pisces) rising > makes guruji more vulnerable and a fire sign as lagna > makes me more immune/resistant? Have you investigated > this interesting possibility? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > Dear Sister, > > > > if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai > > conf. you have Guru > > in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful > > Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel > > the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may > > have averted the > > influence of mars and might have turned your liking > > towards 'Sweet; > > soft & more satwik food. > > > > best regards > > > > utpal > > > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " > > <vedic_pathak> > > wrote: > > > Lakhmi Bahen > > > Namaste, > > > > > > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > utpal > > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Utpal ji, > > > > > > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/ > > > > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd > > lord > > > > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched > > either > > > > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two > > > > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't > > tasted > > > > coffee till now and i am 45! > > > > > > > > Howzzat? > > > > > > > > :--)) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > My logic goes as follows: > > > > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff > > with most > > > > > people. but what > > > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT > > state. > > > > > so i feel that > > > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord > > both > > > > > is erquired to > > > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having > > Hot > > > > > Tea/cofee... > > > > > > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking > > 2nd > > > > > house & it's lord > > > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and > > projecting > > > > > only Lagna & it's > > > > > lord because the fact that the planet which > > > > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters > > > > > connected to it's > > > > > natural significations and i am trying to > > findout > > > > > weather or not Mars > > > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc. > > > > > > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves > > above > > > > > right > > > > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus + > > > > > exchange with Mercury > > > > > (Lagna lord) > > > > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - > > Mars+Venus > > > > > i scorpio Lagna > > > > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with > > Lagna > > > > > lord Sun & > > > > > Strongly influencing Lagna > > > > > > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, > > who also > > > > > has Strong > > > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru. > > > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > > Chowdhury " > > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. > > But why > > > > > both Lagna and > > > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord > > is > > > > > suffice if at all > > > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring > > in the > > > > > connection to > > > > > the > > > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech > > > > > > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " utpal > > pathak " > > > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sourav Dada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be > > > > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in > > 2nd > > > > > house. actually > > > > > > they > > > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original > > mail, I > > > > > have said that > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of > > > > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > > > general > > > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND > > > > > Lagnesh both creates > > > > > HOT > > > > > > > TEA drinking habits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > > > > > Chowdhury " > > > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. In the context > > of > > > > > food do read > > > > > Prashna > > > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII > > (27) in > > > > > the Part Two of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana > > Prashna > > > > > (Query related to > > > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators > > as to > > > > > what/how/how > > > > > > much/with > > > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst > > Ma and > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Prabodh, namaste So you think that all those yogis are wrong to smoke? Gajananan Maharaj and Shirdi Sai used to smoke the chillum if I am not mistaken. Do you think that if one smokes, that is a tamasic act? It is all in the mind that these gunas are created. A person who is steeped in satva guna will remain so even if he smokes. I have met some chain smokers and they are all well behaved, intelligent....so on. I wonder why no one has dragged the shodasamsa (D-16) into this discussion. Wont it show the desires of the mind, especially what it craves/dislikes? regard On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande <prabodh.wekhande wrote: Dear Utpal NamasteI have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond of taking tea or coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I have stopped taking Tea and for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five years my body is nicotineless as well. What do you say? Another question which would be appropiate to this disscussions and was troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) tell me analysing Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it from his past life? AL in D-60 is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting Lagna and Rahu aspecting lagna lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may show death due to disease related to lungs! What do you say? Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Utpal Bhai, So it was you who mentioned the sensitive Meena rasi and not Bharat ji! Now you know just how terrible my memory for names is! Sri TV Rao also mentioned agni tattwa rasis Dhanus & Simha in his mail. I think you are definitely on to something. Please keep up the good work. Regards, Lakshmi --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > Lakshmi Bahen, > > Some details of your chart which is saw in Jan, > fortunately did not > registered in to BAD SECTORS of My Memory Hard disk. > that is the only > thing. I don't possess exceptional memory as you > anticipated. but i > am thankful for your kind words. > > about Meena Rashi, you can refer my mail addressed > to Prabodh Bhai, > where-in i have given some explanation of Sensitive > Meena rashi of > Sanjayji. and off-course, Dhanu is a fiery sign > which has 'Never say > Die attitude' and hence a boon in fight against > TAMAS. > > best regards, > utpal > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Utpal Bhai, > > > > What an incredible memory! It's simply beyond me > how > > you could remember a chart you have observed > barely > > for 5-10 minutes way back in January! Care to > share > > the secret with me :--)) because I have an > abominable > > memory, especially for names and charts! > > > > Your observation about Gaja kesari rings true > because > > despite having all malefic associations (Saturn in > > lagna, Mars-AK and Rahu aspect the lagna) to which > the > > lagna lord and moon are equally exposed…my > > tastes/habits remain moderate. As Bharat ji had > > mentioned, perhaps the water sign (Pisces) rising > > makes guruji more vulnerable and a fire sign as > lagna > > makes me more immune/resistant? Have you > investigated > > this interesting possibility? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sister, > > > > > > if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai > > > conf. you have Guru > > > in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful > > > Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel > > > the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga > may > > > have averted the > > > influence of mars and might have turned your > liking > > > towards 'Sweet; > > > soft & more satwik food. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > wrote: > > > > Lakhmi Bahen > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Utpal ji, > > > > > > > > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my > lagna/ > > > > > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and > 2nd > > > lord > > > > > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never > touched > > > either > > > > > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two > > > > > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and > haven't > > > tasted > > > > > coffee till now and i am 45! > > > > > > > > > > Howzzat? > > > > > > > > > > :--)) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > My logic goes as follows: > > > > > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff > > > with most > > > > > > people. but what > > > > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in > HOT > > > state. > > > > > > so i feel that > > > > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's > Lord > > > both > > > > > > is erquired to > > > > > > really influnce the person's Habit of > having > > > Hot > > > > > > Tea/cofee... > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am > overlooking > > > 2nd > > > > > > house & it's lord > > > > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and > > > projecting > > > > > > only Lagna & it's > > > > > > lord because the fact that the planet > which > > > > > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > > > > lord strongly has a definate say over > matters > > > > > > connected to it's > > > > > > natural significations and i am trying to > > > findout > > > > > > weather or not Mars > > > > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which > proves > > > above > > > > > > right > > > > > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus > + > > > > > > exchange with Mercury > > > > > > (Lagna lord) > > > > > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > > i scorpio Lagna > > > > > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th > with > > > Lagna > > > > > > lord Sun & > > > > > > Strongly influencing Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja > Rathji, > > > who also > > > > > > has Strong > > > > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord > guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav > > > Chowdhury " > > > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai, > > > > > > > Namaskar. Ok, I > understand. > > > But why > > > > > > both Lagna and > === message truncated === ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Hari Namaste I agree that Sanjay ji is in Satva guna inspite of being invloved in heavy smoking. What about astrological reasoning for that? Lets not get into the debate whether smoking is satva or tamas. Let me say in a different way. It is usually seen that the person who is good at vedas,Purans and other Dharmik shahstras keeps himself away from smoking. Sanjay ji is excpetion to this. This is what I want to reason out astrologically. So my basic quetion is why Sanjay ji smokes? Please give your valuable inputs Hari ji. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar P.S: Many experts say that Chilim story with Gajanan Maharaj is a myth. sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Prabodh, namaste > So you think that all those yogis are wrong to smoke? Gajananan Maharaj and > Shirdi Sai used to smoke the chillum if I am not mistaken. Do you think that > if one smokes, that is a tamasic act? It is all in the mind that these gunas > are created. A person who is steeped in satva guna will remain so even if he > smokes. I have met some chain smokers and they are all well behaved, > intelligent....so on. > I wonder why no one has dragged the shodasamsa (D-16) into this discussion. > Wont it show the desires of the mind, especially what it craves/dislikes? > regard > > > On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande <prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Utpal Namaste > > > > I have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond of taking tea or > > coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I have stopped taking Tea and > > for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five years my body is nicotineless > > as well. What do you say? > > > > Another question which would be appropiate to this disscussions and was > > troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) tell me analysing > > Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he > > still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it from his past life? AL in D-60 > > is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting Lagna and Rahu aspecting lagna > > lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may show death due to disease > > related to lungs! What do you say? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Utpal Bhyya How are u?? Bhyya U hv seen my chart. I hv mars in taurus lagna with moon. I also never touch tea/coffee till my age 15. What do u think?? Richautpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: Dear Sister,if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food.best regardsutpal sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Lakhmi Bahen> Namaste,> > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-)> > > regards,> utpal> > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Utpal ji,> > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/> > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord> > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either> > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two> > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted> > coffee till now and i am 45!> > > > Howzzat?> > > > :--))> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaste,> > > > > > My logic goes as follows:> > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most> > > people. but what > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state.> > > so i feel that > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both> > > is erquired to > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot> > > Tea/cofee...> > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd> > > house & it's lord > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting> > > only Lagna & it's > > > lord because the fact that the planet which> > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters> > > connected to it's > > > natural significations and i am trying to findout> > > weather or not Mars > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc.> > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves above> > > right> > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus +> > > exchange with Mercury > > > (Lagna lord)> > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus> > > i scorpio Lagna> > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna> > > lord Sun & > > > Strongly influencing Lagna> > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also> > > has Strong > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru.> > > > > > best regards,> > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > <souravc108> > > > wrote:> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why> > > both Lagna and > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is> > > suffice if at all > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the> > > connection to > > > the > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech> > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it more.> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > Sourav> > > >> > >> > =============================================================> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "utpal pathak"> > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav Dada,> > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again.> > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be> > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > and i > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd> > > house. actually > > > > they > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated.> > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I> > > have said that > > > > Though > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of> > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > general > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND> > > Lagnesh both creates > > > HOT > > > > > TEA drinking habits.> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break> > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav> > > Chowdhury" > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > > > Namaskar. In the context of> > > food do read > > > Prashna > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in> > > the Part Two of > > > > the > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna> > > (Query related to > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to> > > what/how/how > > > > much/with > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken.> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and> > > Ve is defeated > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What> > > are the avasthas of > > > > > > these two planets ?> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > ====================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To:> > > vedic-> > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>> > > > > > > Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:> > > Food+Drinking Habits PART-> > > 1 > > > > > > (Hot Tea & Mars)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for you erply & input. first of all> > > let me clear one > > > > thing > > > > > > that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default> > > in any of our > > > > > > astrological discussions even if the mention> > > of it is not there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a> > > very fast eater. i > > > > > > finish my food very fast.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i rememered one more chart who has a> > > Strong Influence of > > > > Mars > > > > > > on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when> > > he has written > > > > > > following line in a recent mail..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are no charges but students are> > > expected to buy coffee > > > > for > > > > > > Pt.Rath :)"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also> > > habitual with > > > > > Tea/cofee.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > utpal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote:> > > > > > > Interesting discussion on food!! The point> > > to be noted or > > > > > > analysed > > > > > > > is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H> > > for an Aries > > > > > > Ascendant, > > > > > > > here implies, some finishing his / her food> > > fast!!! Mars is a > > > > > > action > > > > > > > oriented planet and he has little patience> > > !!! Venus is > > > > a "slow > > > > > > > eater". One has to apply "Desh, Kaal Patra"> > > in all such > > > > cases. > > > > > > > Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking> > > non-vegetarian > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay Richa Gupta India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari and Prabodh, I am attaching the chart of Shirdi Saibaba for your perusal. Please note the impact of malefics on lagna and lagna lord and 2nd lord is in marana karaka sthana, as observed (by Utpal, and hopefully i've got the name right this time:--)) in Sanjay ji's case too. Regards, Lakshmi --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > Dear Hari Namaste > > I agree that Sanjay ji is in Satva guna inspite of > being invloved in > heavy smoking. What about astrological reasoning for > that? Lets not > get into the debate whether smoking is satva or > tamas. Let me say in a > different way. It is usually seen that the person > who is good at > vedas,Purans and other Dharmik shahstras keeps > himself away from > smoking. Sanjay ji is excpetion to this. This is > what I want to reason > out astrologically. > > So my basic quetion is why Sanjay ji smokes? Please > give your > valuable inputs Hari ji. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > P.S: Many experts say that Chilim story with Gajanan > Maharaj is a myth. > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > Dear Prabodh, namaste > > So you think that all those yogis are wrong to > smoke? Gajananan > Maharaj and > > Shirdi Sai used to smoke the chillum if I am not > mistaken. Do you > think that > > if one smokes, that is a tamasic act? It is all in > the mind that > these gunas > > are created. A person who is steeped in satva guna > will remain so > even if he > > smokes. I have met some chain smokers and they are > all well behaved, > > intelligent....so on. > > I wonder why no one has dragged the shodasamsa > (D-16) into this > discussion. > > Wont it show the desires of the mind, especially > what it > craves/dislikes? > > regard > > > > > > On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande > <prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Utpal Namaste > > > > > > I have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond > of taking tea or > > > coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I > have stopped > taking Tea and > > > for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five > years my body is > nicotineless > > > as well. What do you say? > > > > > > Another question which would be appropiate to > this disscussions > and was > > > troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) > tell me analysing > > > Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of > Satvik enviorment in > this life he > > > still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it > from his past life? > AL in D-60 > > > is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting > Lagna and Rahu > aspecting lagna > > > lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may > show death due to > disease > > > related to lungs! What do you say? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 ||om bhurbhuvasvah brihaspataye namah|| Dear Prabodh and Smt Lakshmi, namaste aap aur aapke kutumb ko Shubh Ganesha Chaturthi! You have caught me squarely in a bind as I dont have JHora installed on my office computer so I will have to borrow some time in this regard before I can revert on this matter. Lakshmi: How did you get the birth data of Shirdi Sai Baba? As per Sai charitra, no one knows how Sai came to Shirdi much less where he was born or how he was raised. As I write this, I have a beautiful calendar photo of Sri Shirdi Sai Baba in all his magnificent glory (of his statue on the silver throne above the samadhi) and remember the powerful vibrations emanating from the samadhi. I will nevertheless take a look....2nd lord in maranakarakasthana....hmm...maybe something worthwhile here. But remember Guruji's words: the breathing mechanism stretches all the way from the 2nd house to 4th house. Dare I say that Ketu is the karaka for smoking? Prabodh: the specific practices depend on the natha or dasasampradaya into which the yogi or swami is initiated. Who are the so-called experts to tell that this is right or wrong unless they are privy to the practices followed in the tradition? Will revert on your request later. But dont call me ji or say that my comments are valuable. It is all maya. regards Hari On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: Dear Hari NamasteI agree that Sanjay ji is in Satva guna inspite of being invloved inheavy smoking. What about astrological reasoning for that? Lets not get into the debate whether smoking is satva or tamas. Let me say in adifferent way. It is usually seen that the person who is good atvedas,Purans and other Dharmik shahstras keeps himself away fromsmoking. Sanjay ji is excpetion to this. This is what I want to reason out astrologically.So my basic quetion is why Sanjay ji smokes? Please give yourvaluable inputs Hari ji.Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai Shankar Har Har ShankarP.S: Many experts say that Chilim story with Gajanan Maharaj is a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Richa GuptaTuesday, September 06, 2005 5:10 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi Dear Utpal Bhyya How are u?? Bhyya U hv seen my chart. I hv mars in taurus lagna with moon. I also never touch tea/coffee till my age 15. What do u think?? Richautpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: Dear Sister,if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food.best regardsutpal sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Lakhmi Bahen> Namaste,> > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-)> > > regards,> utpal> > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Utpal ji,> > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/> > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord> > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either> > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two> > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted> > coffee till now and i am 45!> > > > Howzzat?> > > > :--))> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaste,> > > > > > My logic goes as follows:> > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most> > > people. but what > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state.> > > so i feel that > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both> > > is erquired to > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot> > > Tea/cofee...> > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd> > > house & it's lord > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting> > > only Lagna & it's > > > lord because the fact that the planet which> > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters> > > connected to it's > > > natural significations and i am trying to findout> > > weather or not Mars > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc.> > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves above> > > right> > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus +> > > exchange with Mercury > > > (Lagna lord)> > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus> > > i scorpio Lagna> > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna> > > lord Sun & > > > Strongly influencing Lagna> > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also> > > has Strong > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru.> > > > > > best regards,> > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > <souravc108> > > > wrote:> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why> > > both Lagna and > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is> > > suffice if at all > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the> > > connection to > > > the > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech> > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it more.> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > Sourav> > > >> > >> > =============================================================> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "utpal pathak"> > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav Dada,> > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again.> > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be> > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > and i > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd> > > house. actually > > > > they > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated.> > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I> > > have said that > > > > Though > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of> > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > general > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND> > > Lagnesh both creates > > > HOT > > > > > TEA drinking habits.> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break> > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav> > > Chowdhury" > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > > > Namaskar. In the context of> > > food do read > > > Prashna > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in> > > the Part Two of > > > > the > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna> > > (Query related to > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to> > > what/how/how > > > > much/with > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken.> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and> > > Ve is defeated > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What> > > are the avasthas of > > > > > > these two planets ?> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > ====================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To:> > > vedic-> > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>> > > > > > > Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:> > > Food+Drinking Habits PART-> > > 1 > > > > > > (Hot Tea & Mars)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for you erply & input. first of all> > > let me clear one > > > > thing > > > > > > that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default> > > in any of our > > > > > > astrological discussions even if the mention> > > of it is not there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a> > > very fast eater. i > > > > > > finish my food very fast.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i rememered one more chart who has a> > > Strong Influence of > > > > Mars > > > > > > on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when> > > he has written > > > > > > following line in a recent mail..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are no charges but students are> > > expected to buy coffee > > > > for > > > > > > Pt.Rath :)"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also> > > habitual with > > > > > Tea/cofee.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > utpal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote:> > > > > > > Interesting discussion on food!! The point> > > to be noted or > > > > > > analysed > > > > > > > is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H> > > for an Aries > > > > > > Ascendant, > > > > > > > here implies, some finishing his / her food> > > fast!!! Mars is a > > > > > > action > > > > > > > oriented planet and he has little patience> > > !!! Venus is > > > > a "slow > > > > > > > eater". One has to apply "Desh, Kaal Patra"> > > in all such > > > > cases. > > > > > > > Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking> > > non-vegetarian > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay Richa Gupta India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear and respected Guruji, Namaskar, I am very glad to hear from you. Guru ji this is fact. After 16 year of age till now I can never leave coffee and tea. I like coffee very much. Thanxs and regards Richa Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Richa GuptaTuesday, September 06, 2005 5:10 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi Dear Utpal Bhyya How are u?? Bhyya U hv seen my chart. I hv mars in taurus lagna with moon. I also never touch tea/coffee till my age 15. What do u think?? Richautpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: Dear Sister,if i recollect your chart which i saw in Mumbai conf. you have Guru in Dhanu Lagna with Moon creating powerful Gaj-kesari yoga. i feel the strong influence of powerful gajkesari yoga may have averted the influence of mars and might have turned your liking towards 'Sweet; soft & more satwik food.best regardsutpal sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Lakhmi Bahen> Namaste,> > yours case seems to be a rare exception :-)> > > regards,> utpal> > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Utpal ji,> > > > I have Mars (in 6th house) influencing my lagna/> > chandra lagna, lagna/chandra lagna lord and 2nd lord> > too. Yet, till 10 years back, I never touched either> > coffee or tea. Even now i drink only one/two> > (occasionally) cups of tea per day and haven't tasted> > coffee till now and i am 45!> > > > Howzzat?> > > > :--))> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaste,> > > > > > My logic goes as follows:> > > Tea/Cofee in morning is quite common stuff with most> > > people. but what > > > standsout is Habit of it & taking it in HOT state.> > > so i feel that > > > Mars influence over 'Thee' (Lagna) & It's Lord both> > > is erquired to > > > really influnce the person's Habit of having Hot> > > Tea/cofee...> > > > > > Here you are now aware that i am overlooking 2nd> > > house & it's lord > > > (which carries the actual Portfolio) and projecting> > > only Lagna & it's > > > lord because the fact that the planet which> > > influences Lagna & it;s > > > lord strongly has a definate say over matters> > > connected to it's > > > natural significations and i am trying to findout> > > weather or not Mars > > > is related to Hot Stuffs like Tea/cofee etc.> > > > > > At present i have got 3 examples which proves above> > > right> > > 1) Utpal Pathak - Mars in Lagna with venus +> > > exchange with Mercury > > > (Lagna lord)> > > 2) Bhaskaran (My ex-professional mate) - Mars+Venus> > > i scorpio Lagna> > > 3) Kamalesh (from VA List) - Mars in 6th with Lagna> > > lord Sun & > > > Strongly influencing Lagna> > > > > > Now i erquest opinion of Shri Sanja Rathji, who also> > > has Strong > > > influence of Mars on Lagna + it's lord guru.> > > > > > best regards,> > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury"> > > <souravc108> > > > wrote:> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > Namaskar. Ok, I understand. But why> > > both Lagna and > > > > Lagnesh? I suspect only Lagna or Lagna lord is> > > suffice if at all > > > > that be the case. And don't forget to bring in the> > > connection to > > > the > > > > 2H/L when it comes to food/speech> > > > > > > > I would need your chart to look into it more.> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > Sourav> > > >> > >> > =============================================================> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "utpal pathak"> > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav Dada,> > > > > > > > > > After a long break, we are talking again.> > > > > > > > > > as i said in my email, Food Habits will be> > > discussed in Part-2. > > > > and i > > > > > think you mistakenly took my Mars+Venus in 2nd> > > house. actually > > > > they > > > > > are in Lagna & Mars is defeated.> > > > > > > > > > furthermore if you go thro' my original mail, I> > > have said that > > > > Though > > > > > 2nd house & lord is the indicator of> > > Food,Drinking habits in > > > > general > > > > > BUT Strong Influence of Mars on Lagna AND> > > Lagnesh both creates > > > HOT > > > > > TEA drinking habits.> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards after a long break> > > > > > > > > > utpal pathak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav> > > Chowdhury" > > > > <souravc108> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal-bhai,> > > > > > Namaskar. In the context of> > > food do read > > > Prashna > > > > > > Maarga/ Dr. B. V. Raman Chapter XXVII (27) in> > > the Part Two of > > > > the > > > > > > book. Although it relates to Bhojana Prashna> > > (Query related to > > > > > > Food), it gives a wealth of indicators as to> > > what/how/how > > > > much/with > > > > > > whom etc the food is taken.> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in your 2H, which amongst Ma and> > > Ve is defeated > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > grahayuddha ? Any of them retrograde ? What> > > are the avasthas of > > > > > > these two planets ?> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > ====================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:To:> > > vedic-> > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak>> > > > > > > Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:> > > Food+Drinking Habits PART-> > > 1 > > > > > > (Hot Tea & Mars)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for you erply & input. first of all> > > let me clear one > > > > thing > > > > > > that Desh/Kaal/Paatra principle is by default> > > in any of our > > > > > > astrological discussions even if the mention> > > of it is not there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Mars & Venus combination & i am a> > > very fast eater. i > > > > > > finish my food very fast.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i rememered one more chart who has a> > > Strong Influence of > > > > Mars > > > > > > on Lagna as well Lagnesh. I remembered it when> > > he has written > > > > > > following line in a recent mail..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are no charges but students are> > > expected to buy coffee > > > > for > > > > > > Pt.Rath :)"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not aware if Shri Sanjay Rath is also> > > habitual with > > > > > Tea/cofee.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > utpal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sre_eram <sreeram64@s...> wrote:> > > > > > > Interesting discussion on food!! The point> > > to be noted or > > > > > > analysed > > > > > > > is 2H, 2HL and its aspects. LL-Mars in 2H> > > for an Aries > > > > > > Ascendant, > > > > > > > here implies, some finishing his / her food> > > fast!!! Mars is a > > > > > > action > > > > > > > oriented planet and he has little patience> > > !!! Venus is > > > > a "slow > > > > > > > eater". One has to apply "Desh, Kaal Patra"> > > in all such > > > > cases. > > > > > > > Rahu aspect on 2H also implies " taking> > > non-vegetarian > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay Richa Gupta India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Om Namah Shivay Richa Gupta India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, pranaams Where is this kalpadruma yoga paper you are referring to? regards Hari On 9/6/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. My wild guess is that guruji was referring to his excellent Kemadruma yoga paper, because his mail mentions 2 / 12 houses. Regards, LakshmiJyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, pranaams Where is this kalpadruma yoga paper you are referring to? regards Hari On 9/6/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Sanjay ji, I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - including mine - but could not get any satisfactory explanations for the native's food habits. As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in 1,2 & 3 houses & none in 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never. +--------------+| |Mo |JuR |Ke HL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me | |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Su Ve | |Md Gk ||AL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ra |Ma |As Sa | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Rasi +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ Ma / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Sa \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra x As x Gk Md || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ve \ 7 / \ || / \ / \ || Su x GL || \ / \ / || \ AL / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Me x Mo x HL Ke || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / JuR \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a non-veg family and she herself also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna appears to be that of JU®. +--------------+|GL | |As |Md Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su Ma | |Ra HL ||Ve | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||MeR Ke | |AL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | | |Mo JuR || | | |SaR || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Rasi +--------------+| \ Gk / \ / || \ Md / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra HL x As x GL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 2 / Ma \ || / \ / \ || AL x Su || \ / \ / || \ / \ Ve / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||SaR \ / \ / ||Mo JuR x x Ke MeR || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Best regards, Shailesh ---- sohamsa 09/06/05 22:13:18 sohamsa RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Om gurave namah Dear Shailesh, Your moon is in a fire sign, hence the resistance to malefic influences. I have found in a minor research of mine that Vayu, Jala and bhu tattwas are more prone to pollution / contamination in general than Akasa or agni tattwas and this theory seems more valid for moon sign than for lagna. I hasten to add that this is a general observation and there is no offence meant to anyone. Your 2nd lord Mars is very strong and is also the dispositor of moon. I think basically if the 2nd house /lord is weak and is subject to malefic influences, it indicates stronger/non-sattwik intake. Having said that, i also await corrections from guruji. Regards, Lakshmi --- Shailesh <scc wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya || > > Namaste Sanjay ji, > > I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - > including mine - but > could not get any satisfactory explanations for the > native's food habits. > > As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in > 1,2 & 3 houses & none in > 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never. > > +--------------+ > | |Mo |JuR |Ke HL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Me | |GL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |Su Ve | |Md Gk | > |AL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ra |Ma |As Sa | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ / \ / | > | \ Ma / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Sa \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra x As x Gk Md | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Ve \ 7 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Su x GL | > | \ / \ / | > | \ AL / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Me x Mo x HL Ke | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / JuR \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a > non-veg family and she herself > also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna > appears to be that of JU®. > > +--------------+ > |GL | |As |Md Gk | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Su Ma | |Ra HL | > |Ve | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |MeR Ke | |AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Mo JuR | > | | | |SaR | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ Gk / \ / | > | \ Md / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra HL x As x GL | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 2 / Ma \ | > | / \ / \ | > | AL x Su | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ Ve / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |SaR \ / \ / | > |Mo JuR x x Ke MeR | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > > Best regards, > > Shailesh > > > ---- > > sohamsa > 09/06/05 22:13:18 > sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits > PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To > Lakshmi > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Richa > The lagna with the two planets show contradictory > influence. Moon promising > a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and > Mars showing its colors > fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should > give us a clue. Utpal is > very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for > taste. If there are > planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste > else the planets in the > 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th > house also have influence > on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is > based on the definition > of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on > Kalpadruma yoga where this has > been explained. > This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sailesh Due to parivartana, you are forced to treat Makara as the lagna. So lagna has Sun & Venus, Mercury in 2nd and Rahu is debilitated in 12th. The subhargala of Merc is blocked by Rahu but Me is stronger, so the temptation is removed. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of ShaileshWednesday, September 07, 2005 8:20 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Sanjay ji, I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - including mine - but could not get any satisfactory explanations for the native's food habits. As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in 1,2 & 3 houses & none in 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never. +--------------+| |Mo |JuR |Ke HL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me | |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Su Ve | |Md Gk ||AL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ra |Ma |As Sa | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Rasi +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ Ma / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Sa \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra x As x Gk Md || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ve \ 7 / \ || / \ / \ || Su x GL || \ / \ / || \ AL / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Me x Mo x HL Ke || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / JuR \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a non-veg family and she herself also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna appears to be that of JU®. +--------------+|GL | |As |Md Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su Ma | |Ra HL ||Ve | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||MeR Ke | |AL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | | |Mo JuR || | | |SaR || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Rasi +--------------+| \ Gk / \ / || \ Md / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra HL x As x GL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 2 / Ma \ || / \ / \ || AL x Su || \ / \ / || \ / \ Ve / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||SaR \ / \ / ||Mo JuR x x Ke MeR || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Best regards, Shailesh ---- sohamsa 09/06/05 22:13:18 sohamsa RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Richa The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon promising a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing its colors fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. Utpal is very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If there are planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets in the 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have influence on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the definition of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where this has been explained. This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Guruji, Is it correct to change/(treat) the lagna due to parivarthna of the grahas? Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Sailesh > Due to parivartana, you are forced to treat Makara as the lagna. So > lagna > has Sun & Venus, Mercury in 2nd and Rahu is debilitated in 12th. > The > subhargala of Merc is blocked by Rahu but Me is stronger, so the > temptation > is removed. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > Shailesh > Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:20 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > Mars) - To > Lakshmi > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya || > > Namaste Sanjay ji, > > I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - including mine - > but > could not get any satisfactory explanations for the native's food > habits. > > As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in 1,2 & 3 houses > & none in > 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never. > > +--------------+ > | |Mo |JuR |Ke HL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Me | |GL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |Su Ve | |Md Gk | > |AL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ra |Ma |As Sa | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ / \ / | > | \ Ma / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Sa \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra x As x Gk Md | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Ve \ 7 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Su x GL | > | \ / \ / | > | \ AL / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Me x Mo x HL Ke | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / JuR \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a non-veg family and > she herself > also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna appears to be that > of JU®. > > +--------------+ > |GL | |As |Md Gk | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Su Ma | |Ra HL | > |Ve | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |MeR Ke | |AL | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Mo JuR | > | | | |SaR | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ Gk / \ / | > | \ Md / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra HL x As x GL | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 2 / Ma \ | > | / \ / \ | > | AL x Su | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ Ve / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |SaR \ / \ / | > |Mo JuR x x Ke MeR | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > > Best regards, > > Shailesh > > > ---- > > sohamsa > 09/06/05 22:13:18 > sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > Mars) - To > Lakshmi > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Richa > The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon > promising > a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing > its colors > fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue. > Utpal is > very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If > there are > planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets > in the > 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have > influence > on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the > definition > of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where > this has > been explained. > This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Venkatesh The Paka lagna becomes stronger to give the indications of the first house instead of lagna due to the parivartana yoga. This yoga is very powerful and the first among the four sambandhas. It causes complete reversal or change in effects. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh SWednesday, September 07, 2005 11:13 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi |JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, Is it correct to change/(treat) the lagna due toparivarthna of the grahas?Thanks,S.Venkatesh--- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> > Dear Sailesh> Due to parivartana, you are forced to treat Makara as the lagna. So> lagna> has Sun & Venus, Mercury in 2nd and Rahu is debilitated in 12th.> The> subhargala of Merc is blocked by Rahu but Me is stronger, so the> temptation> is removed.> With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath CenterR> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> * * *> > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> Shailesh> Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:20 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > Mars) - To> Lakshmi> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya ||> > Namaste Sanjay ji,> > I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - including mine -> but> could not get any satisfactory explanations for the native's food> habits.> > As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in 1,2 & 3 houses> & none in> 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never.> > +--------------+> | |Mo |JuR |Ke HL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Me | |GL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Su Ve | |Md Gk |> |AL | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ra |Ma |As Sa | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +--------------+> > Rasi > +--------------+> | \ / \ / |> | \ Ma / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / Sa \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Ra x As x Gk Md |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / Ve \ 7 / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | Su x GL |> | \ / \ / |> | \ AL / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Me x Mo x HL Ke |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / JuR \ |> | / \ / \ |> +--------------+> > Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a non-veg family and> she herself> also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna appears to be that> of JU®. > > +--------------+> |GL | |As |Md Gk |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su Ma | |Ra HL |> |Ve | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |MeR Ke | |AL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | | | |Mo JuR |> | | | |SaR |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +--------------+> > Rasi > +--------------+> | \ Gk / \ / |> | \ Md / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Ra HL x As x GL |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ 2 / Ma \ |> | / \ / \ |> | AL x Su |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ Ve / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |SaR \ / \ / |> |Mo JuR x x Ke MeR |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> +--------------+> > > Best regards,> > Shailesh > > > ----> > sohamsa > 09/06/05 22:13:18> sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > Mars) - To> Lakshmi> > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> > Dear Richa> The lagna with the two planets show contradictory influence. Moon> promising> a clean food habit which was strong in childhood and Mars showing> its colors> fom the 16th year. Perhaps Naisargika dasa should give us a clue.> Utpal is> very right about seeing both lagna and 2nd house for taste. If> there are> planets in lagna then they will dominate the taste else the planets> in the> 2nd house will dominate. Sometimes planets in 12th house also have> influence> on taste. The influence of planets in 2/12 house is based on the> definition> of Subha/Asubha yoga. Please read my paper on Kalpadruma yoga where> this has> been explained.> This view is also supported in Jataka Tatva.> === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Guruji, Due to parivartana yoga is the chart can be analysed based upon Paka lagna for all the yogas,dosas,badakastana etc and ignoring the Janma lagna.(For example badaka(badakesh) for janma lagna is one and the badaka for paka lagna is different, due to parivartana yoga badaka from paka lagna is only taken into account)? Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Venkatesh > The Paka lagna becomes stronger to give the indications of the > first house > instead of lagna due to the parivartana yoga. This yoga is very > powerful and > the first among the four sambandhas. It causes complete reversal or > change > in effects. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > Venkatesh S > Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:13 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > Mars) - To > Lakshmi > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Guruji, > > Is it correct to change/(treat) the lagna due to > parivarthna of the grahas? > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > > > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > > > Dear Sailesh > > Due to parivartana, you are forced to treat Makara as the lagna. > So > > lagna > > has Sun & Venus, Mercury in 2nd and Rahu is debilitated in 12th. > > The > > subhargala of Merc is blocked by Rahu but Me is stronger, so the > > temptation > > is removed. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > > Behalf Of > > Shailesh > > Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:20 PM > > sohamsa > > RE: Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & > > Mars) - To > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya || > > > > Namaste Sanjay ji, > > > > I have tried to apply these rules to some charts - including mine > - > > but > > could not get any satisfactory explanations for the native's food > > habits. > > > > As you know, my LI lagna chart has only malefics in 1,2 & 3 > houses > > & none in > > 12th - yet no meat/egg, smoke or alchohol - never. > > > > +--------------+ > > | |Mo |JuR |Ke HL | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Me | |GL | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > |Su Ve | |Md Gk | > > |AL | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Ra |Ma |As Sa | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > Rasi > > +--------------+ > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ Ma / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / Sa \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |Ra x As x Gk Md | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / Ve \ 7 / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | Su x GL | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ AL / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |Me x Mo x HL Ke | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / JuR \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > +--------------+ > > > > Here is another chart - the girl belongs to a non-veg family and > > she herself > > also relishes it. Strongest influence on Lagna appears to be that > > of JU®. > > > > +--------------+ > > |GL | |As |Md Gk | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Su Ma | |Ra HL | > > |Ve | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > |MeR Ke | |AL | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Mo JuR | > > | | | |SaR | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > Rasi > > +--------------+ > > | \ Gk / \ / | > > | \ Md / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |Ra HL x As x GL | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ 2 / Ma \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | AL x Su | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ Ve / | > > | \ / \ / | > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear Hari Namaste You wrote: "Thus he has a strong desire to smoke and that desire stems from the perception that it will boost his intelligence." I dont think Sanjay ji has a perception that smoking will boost his intelligence. At least he should not have! Further you said: "I also make another extremely weak point that Sanjay probably smokes to 'reduce' the effect of the sarpa yoga in his chart. " I again disagree to this. If we start telling this 'remedy' to others we will soon land up in reading Kitabs rather than Granthas! BTw why ketu is karaka for Smoking? I mean one smokes because of strong desire to do so(You can confirm with anybody who smokes!) and strong desire to the extent of killing slowly oneself will be because of Rahu. Such effects of Rahu can be controlled through strong Guru. Sanjay ji has Guru in Lagna in Meena. Why then Guru is not getting activated? Aspect of Mars and Shani? But in other areas like Jyotish his Guru is fully activated so how to determine if a planet will support in a perticular aspect of the life or not? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar har Har Shankar Jyotisa Shisya wrote: om bhurbhuvahsvah brihaspataye namah Dear Prabodh, namaste "So my basic question is why Sanjay ji smokes?" I had a look at Sanjays chart (D-1 and D-16) keeping in mind the following points: (1) Ketu is the karaka for smoking. (2) The breathing mechanism starts from the nose & mouth (2nd house) and ends in the lungs (4th house). In D-1, there is the aspect of 4 malefics on lagna with exalted nodes and retrograde Saturn being the strongest. Ketu not only aspects the lagna, 4th house and 2nd lord but is also in AL showing the image of him as a smoker. In D-16, the rasi lagna lord is debilitated in 7th house along with the nodes. Thus he has a strong desire to smoke and that desire stems from the perception that it will boost his intelligence. Now Ketu is the 9th co-lord and I make a weak case that he first started smoking during his higher education (9th house). However I wonder if his Gurudeva sanctioned this or not. I also make another extremely weak point that Sanjay probably smokes to 'reduce' the effect of the sarpa yoga in his chart. My point is by smoking, he increases the effect of Ketu (jyotish etc) and correspondingly diverts his attention from the effects of Rahu in 4th (unhappiness) and Mars in 7th (anger etc). If I am right here, I surmise that once the natural age of Ketu (43) is crossed, he will stop smoking. The panchapranas are prana, samana, udana, vyana and apana. Smoking basically involves intake of smoke along with the prana, retention in the throat and lungs (udana) and transfer of nicotine to the bloodstream (samana). I wonder how to analyse this in the chart? I request all learned scholars to shed some light on this smoking mechanism in the chart. best regards Hari On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: Dear Hari Namaste I agree that Sanjay ji is in Satva guna inspite of being invloved in heavy smoking. What about astrological reasoning for that? Lets not get into the debate whether smoking is satva or tamas. Let me say in a different way. It is usually seen that the person who is good at vedas,Purans and other Dharmik shahstras keeps himself away from smoking. Sanjay ji is excpetion to this. This is what I want to reason out astrologically. So my basic quetion is why Sanjay ji smokes? Please give your valuable inputs Hari ji. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar P.S: Many experts say that Chilim story with Gajanan Maharaj is a myth. sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Prabodh, namaste > So you think that all those yogis are wrong to smoke? Gajananan Maharaj and > Shirdi Sai used to smoke the chillum if I am not mistaken. Do you think that > if one smokes, that is a tamasic act? It is all in the mind that these gunas > are created. A person who is steeped in satva guna will remain so even if he > smokes. I have met some chain smokers and they are all well behaved, > intelligent....so on. > I wonder why no one has dragged the shodasamsa (D-16) into this discussion. > Wont it show the desires of the mind, especially what it craves/dislikes? > regard > > > On 9/6/05, Prabodh Vekhande <prabodh.wekhande@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Utpal Namaste > > > > I have Mars in the Mesha lagna. I was never fond of taking tea or > > coffee(two cups per day). For last five years I have stopped taking Tea and > > for last 2 years coffee as well. For last five years my body is nicotineless > > as well. What do you say? > > > > Another question which would be appropiate to this disscussions and was > > troubling me for quite a long time.Can you (all) tell me analysing > > Sanjayji's chart,why he smokes? Inspite of Satvik enviorment in this life he > > still gets into this tamas. Has he carried it from his past life? AL in D-60 > > is aspected by all malefics! Mars aspecting Lagna and Rahu aspecting lagna > > lord moon. The moon is 3rd from AL and hence may show death due to disease > > related to lungs! What do you say? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* ! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "sohamsa" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 om brihaspate abhisastiramunca Dear Prabodh, My replies below. I dont think Sanjay ji has a perception that smoking will boost his intelligence. At least he should not have![Hari] That is your perception. Further you said: " I also make another extremely weak point that Sanjay probably smokes to 'reduce' the effect of the sarpa yoga in his chart. " I again disagree to this. If we start telling this 'remedy' to others we will soon land up in reading Kitabs rather than Granthas![Hari] I accept your disagreement. I already said it was a weak point and hence I fail to see how you came up with this inference of yours based on my statement. I never said it was a remedy nor proposed that this be considered as a remedy. Where from you have written all this, Prabodh? Again, this is your personal comment. Calm down, Prabodh and think twice before you write such comments. BTw why ketu is karaka for Smoking? I mean one smokes because of strong desire to do so(You can confirm with anybody who smokes!) and strong desire to the extent of killing slowly oneself will be because of Rahu. Such effects of Rahu can be controlled through strong Guru. Sanjay ji has Guru in Lagna in Meena. Why then Guru is not getting activated? Aspect of Mars and Shani? But in other areas like Jyotish his Guru is fully activated so how to determine if a planet will support in a perticular aspect of the life or not? [Hari] Read the description of the karakatwa of Ketu in BPHS. The desire to smoke is seen from D-16. Smoking is essentially a luxury or spending a little money on yourself. All your questions are one and the same question to which I put forth my answer and gave an interesting observation. BTW, I had the chance to chat with Pt. Rath yesterday and he did not disagree with what I wrote. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear Hari Namaste [Hari] That is your perception. I first felt that you were joking when you said that smoking can be used to increase intelligence. If Sanjay ji feels that smoking can boost his intelligence then possibly there must be some 'odd' reason for this! >Where from you have written all this, Prabodh? Again, this is > your personal comment. Calm down, Prabodh and think twice before you >write > such comments. Again, dont get excited! I am very much at ease with myself. By any chance, if I made you to loose your calm please excuse me. But I just felt that by even suggesting weak argument on public forum you tried to justify his smoking. Tomorrow anybody can take a clue from this and start telling smoking as effective upaya for sarpa dosha! I know that you never said that but people may. > [Hari] Read the description of the karakatwa of Ketu in BPHS. Varnarogacharmatishulashutakshudharti karak ketuH This is what my edition of BPHS says. I did not find smoking in this that is why I asked for the reference. >Smoking is essentially a luxury or spending a little money on >yourself. I think you dont smoke! It is not a luxury. How a product that is sold with a health warning be a luxury? >BTW, I had the chance to chat > with Pt. Rath yesterday and he did *not* disagree with what I wrote. I think since you compared him with Gajanan Maharaj and Sai Baba he had to agree with you! Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > *om brihaspate abhisastiramunca* > ** > Dear Prabodh, > My replies below. > I dont think Sanjay ji has a perception that smoking will boost his > intelligence. At least he should not have! > [Hari] That is your perception. > Further you said: > " I also make another extremely weak point that Sanjay probably smokes to > 'reduce' the effect of the sarpa yoga in his chart. " > > I again disagree to this. If we start telling this 'remedy' to others we > will soon land up in reading Kitabs rather than Granthas! > [Hari] I accept your disagreement. I already said it was a weak point and > hence I fail to see how you came up with this inference of yours based on my > statement. I never said it was a remedy nor proposed that this be considered > as a remedy. Where from you have written all this, Prabodh? Again, this is > your personal comment. Calm down, Prabodh and think twice before you write > such comments. > > BTw why ketu is karaka for Smoking? I mean one smokes because of strong > desire to do so(You can confirm with anybody who smokes!) and strong desire > to the extent of killing slowly oneself will be because of Rahu. Such > effects of Rahu can be controlled through strong Guru. Sanjay ji has Guru in > Lagna in Meena. Why then Guru is not getting activated? Aspect of Mars and > Shani? But in other areas like Jyotish his Guru is fully activated so how to > determine if a planet will support in a perticular aspect of the life or > not? > [Hari] Read the description of the karakatwa of Ketu in BPHS. The desire to > smoke is seen from D-16. Smoking is essentially a luxury or spending a > little money on yourself. > All your questions are one and the same question to which I put forth my > answer and gave an interesting observation. BTW, I had the chance to chat > with Pt. Rath yesterday and he did *not* disagree with what I wrote. > regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Prabodh, If you read deeply into the sattvic puranas, even in times of yore, people were eating meat. There were only certain " holy " tithis when one is offering a rite that one has to abstain for that day/period. Would be good if you can kindly look for those passages?? Caraka samhita Vol I Ch V details herbal smoking for clearing the head and neck (for better eyesight etc). Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Prabodh Vekhande Friday, September 09, 2005 5:25 PM sohamsa Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Lakshmi Dear Hari Namaste [Hari] That is your perception. I first felt that you were joking when you said that smoking can be used to increase intelligence. If Sanjay ji feels that smoking can boost his intelligence then possibly there must be some 'odd' reason for this! >Where from you have written all this, Prabodh? Again, this is > your personal comment. Calm down, Prabodh and think twice before you >write > such comments. Again, dont get excited! I am very much at ease with myself. By any chance, if I made you to loose your calm please excuse me. But I just felt that by even suggesting weak argument on public forum you tried to justify his smoking. Tomorrow anybody can take a clue from this and start telling smoking as effective upaya for sarpa dosha! I know that you never said that but people may. > [Hari] Read the description of the karakatwa of Ketu in BPHS. Varnarogacharmatishulashutakshudharti karak ketuH This is what my edition of BPHS says. I did not find smoking in this that is why I asked for the reference. >Smoking is essentially a luxury or spending a little money on >yourself. I think you dont smoke! It is not a luxury. How a product that is sold with a health warning be a luxury? >BTW, I had the chance to chat > with Pt. Rath yesterday and he did *not* disagree with what I wrote. I think since you compared him with Gajanan Maharaj and Sai Baba he had to agree with you! Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > *om brihaspate abhisastiramunca* > ** > Dear Prabodh, > My replies below. > I dont think Sanjay ji has a perception that smoking will boost his > intelligence. At least he should not have! > [Hari] That is your perception. > Further you said: > " I also make another extremely weak point that Sanjay probably smokes to > 'reduce' the effect of the sarpa yoga in his chart. " > > I again disagree to this. If we start telling this 'remedy' to others we > will soon land up in reading Kitabs rather than Granthas! > [Hari] I accept your disagreement. I already said it was a weak point and > hence I fail to see how you came up with this inference of yours based on my > statement. I never said it was a remedy nor proposed that this be considered > as a remedy. Where from you have written all this, Prabodh? Again, this is > your personal comment. Calm down, Prabodh and think twice before you write > such comments. > > BTw why ketu is karaka for Smoking? I mean one smokes because of strong > desire to do so(You can confirm with anybody who smokes!) and strong desire > to the extent of killing slowly oneself will be because of Rahu. Such > effects of Rahu can be controlled through strong Guru. Sanjay ji has Guru in > Lagna in Meena. Why then Guru is not getting activated? Aspect of Mars and > Shani? But in other areas like Jyotish his Guru is fully activated so how to > determine if a planet will support in a perticular aspect of the life or > not? > [Hari] Read the description of the karakatwa of Ketu in BPHS. The desire to > smoke is seen from D-16. Smoking is essentially a luxury or spending a > little money on yourself. > All your questions are one and the same question to which I put forth my > answer and gave an interesting observation. BTW, I had the chance to chat > with Pt. Rath yesterday and he did *not* disagree with what I wrote. > regards > Hari *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.