Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 Pranaam Sanjay, > Parasara is very clear is assigning the primary role of " Dhi " to > Jupiter > and " Vach " to Mercury. Jupiter also rules the Sahasrara Chakra, the > seat of > intelligence, Knowing (or knowledge) and understanding that leads to > wisdom. > Mercury is the " Vach " or the power of expression, whether in the > written > media or spoken or in any other form. We can call this as a function > of > intelligence, but not intelligence in itself. For example, man is an > intelligent creature and can speak languages whereas other animals > cannot > speak languages. Here the expression of intelligence is being stated > and > not intelligence in itself. This is a very subtle difference. I think > this > concept of Mercury ruling intelligence and Jupiter ruling happiness is > more > from western astrology. Sukha or happiness is attributed to Venus and > not > Jupiter. This is the view of Parasara Muni. Mercury is not only the significator of " vaach " (speech). Budha signifies " buddhi " as well. Buddhi is basically intelligence. The Sanskrit word " dhee " has many meanings, but I distinguish between the English words " wisdom " and " intelligence " . I distinguish between being " wise " and being " intelligent " . Jupiter stands for the former and Mercury for the latter. To me, " intelligence " means the ability to think, reason out things and understand. Mercury is the planet of logic and he rules the faculty of reasoning. I don't think what I am saying is against what rishis said. As Budha's 108 names say, he is " buddhimat " , " vidyaa vichakshana vibhuh " , " vidwatpreeti karaha " , " vividhaagama saarajnah " , " bahu saastrajnah " . * * * saumyah dadaatu vidvattaam guruh prajnaam dadaatu cha sree jagannaatha vedaadi kendram jnaanaambudhih bhavet! (Meaning: May Mercury give scholarship, may Jupiter give wisdom and may " Sree Jagannath Vedic Center " become an ocean of true knowledge!) Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha, Thank you for the nice prayer. Agreed that there are many meanings of the word Dhi and that these also include, understanding, intelligence and wisdom personified as Brihaspati in the Rig Veda. Guru is the Lord of this faculty of the Brain called Sahasrara Padma and is of white color. This includes all the other seven colors as well as all the shades in it. This is the area of Memory where a jupiter in Simhasanamsa can give the memory of the past three births! (Sarvartha Chintamani). At least you have agreed that Parasara has stated that DHI is ruled by Brihaspati/ Jupiter and Vach by Mercury. Now, instead of saying that Buddha is like Buddhi and hence rules intelligence, we need to find the usage of the word Dhi and its meanings as given in other works of Jyotish. In usage, this is the Most fundamental Gayatri mantra of the Brahmana (Jupiter) where they say "...Bhargo Devasya Dhi-Mahi; Dhi-yo Yo Nah Prachodayaat". Finally, the exact four implications of the word DHI have been spelt out by Harihara in the monumental Classic PRASNA MARGA Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhi-ya Dhiyayami Sadhwaham Buddhi Suddhi Vridhdhi Ca Sidhaye. Thus, DHI includes Buddhi (intelligence), Suddhi (Purity), Vridhdhi (Growth/Prosperity) and Siddhi (Success/accomplishment of good actions). "Dhi" comes from the Akash Tatwa that permeates all signs and interacts with the other four Tatwa to produce Buddhi (with Agni or light that leads to enlightenment and knowledge), Suddhi (with Jala), Vridhdhi (with Vayu) and Siddhi (with prithvi). Thus, the next natural question is "What is the role of Mercury and the Sun in their interaction with Jupiter and the real meaning of Dhi-mantah Yoga?" What is the real meaning of Budha-Aditya Yoga ? This prayer of Harihara also clarifies an important point, as to WHO IS THE RECEPIENT OF THE GAYATRI MANTRA. He prays to his Ista Devata Sri Venkateswara of Tirupati (Vishnu) while I address the same to Sri Jagannatha of Puri (Vishnu). Many books say that this is addressed to the Sun without realising that this is addressed to Savitur or Prasava-Karana Devata or Narayana Who is to be meditated upon in the center of the orb of the Sun. Being wise and being intelligent are but different parts of the same Dhi Shakti. A child (Mercury) is not wise, but has a deep desire to learn many things and attain the knowledge of the world. This is the effect of Prithvi tatwa ruled by Mercury and the deity Ganapati guides the intellect of the child towards Siddhi. Merely being OLD does not give wisdom, but this comes from the aquisition of knowledge, and Agni Tatwa and Surya Devata guide the intellect towards aquisition of knowledge and hence wisdom. Since the spheres of knowledge are many, so also a person who is wise in some matters may be very foolish in others. Coming to the types of knowledge or their broad classification, after the Overlordship of Jupiter, the Sun becomes the representative of knowledge with the six planets from the Mon toSaturn ruling the six types of knowledge that leads to salvation. These are Mimamsa, Vedanta, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Sankhya and Yoga. I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is definitely not logic. The latter is under Nyaya. Anyway everybody give their reasoning on this before we progress further. Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Sunday, September 26, 1999 9:05 AM Mercury and Jupiter > Pranaam Sanjay,> > > Parasara is very clear is assigning the primary role of "Dhi" to> > Jupiter> > and "Vach" to Mercury. Jupiter also rules the Sahasrara Chakra, the> > seat of> > intelligence, Knowing (or knowledge) and understanding that leads to> > wisdom.> > Mercury is the "Vach" or the power of expression, whether in the> > written> > media or spoken or in any other form. We can call this as a function> > of> > intelligence, but not intelligence in itself. For example, man is an> > intelligent creature and can speak languages whereas other animals> > cannot> > speak languages. Here the expression of intelligence is being stated> > and> > not intelligence in itself. This is a very subtle difference. I think> > this> > concept of Mercury ruling intelligence and Jupiter ruling happiness is> > more> > from western astrology. Sukha or happiness is attributed to Venus and> > not> > Jupiter. This is the view of Parasara Muni.> > Mercury is not only the significator of "vaach" (speech). Budha> signifies "buddhi" as well. Buddhi is basically intelligence.> > The Sanskrit word "dhee" has many meanings, but I distinguish between> the English words "wisdom" and "intelligence". I distinguish between> being "wise" and being "intelligent". Jupiter stands for the former and> Mercury for the latter. To me, "intelligence" means the ability to> think, reason out things and understand. Mercury is the planet of logic> and he rules the faculty of reasoning.> > I don't think what I am saying is against what rishis said. As Budha's> 108 names say, he is "buddhimat", "vidyaa vichakshana vibhuh",> "vidwatpreeti karaha", "vividhaagama saarajnah", "bahu saastrajnah".> > * * *> > saumyah dadaatu vidvattaam> guruh prajnaam dadaatu cha> sree jagannaatha vedaadi> kendram jnaanaambudhih bhavet!> > (Meaning: May Mercury give scholarship, may Jupiter give wisdom and may> "Sree Jagannath Vedic Center" become an ocean of true knowledge!)> > Your sishya,> Narasimha> > > > ------> > eGroups.com home: varahamihira> - Simplifying group communications> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 Pranaam Sanjay, [Note: Hoping that you won't mind, I am forwarding this to vedic astrology list also, as your excellent points will be appreciated there also.] I agree with much of what you said. To me, " intelligence " is the ability to understand, think, analyze, reason out and know. " Reasoning things out " is an important part of intelligence. It is clear that Mercury rules the faculty of reasoning. While earthy Mercury rules the faculty of reasoning (and hence " intelligence " ), ethery Jupiter rules the faculty of perception (and hence " wisdom " ). > Thank you for the nice prayer. Agreed that there are many meanings > of the word Dhi and that > these also include, understanding, intelligence and wisdom personified > as Brihaspati in the Rig > Veda. Guru is the Lord of this faculty of the Brain called Sahasrara > Padma and is of white color. > This includes all the other seven colors as well as all the shades in > it. This is the area of Memory > where a jupiter in Simhasanamsa can give the memory of the past three > births! (Sarvartha > Chintamani). At least you have agreed that Parasara has stated that > DHI is ruled by Brihaspati/ > Jupiter and Vach by Mercury. Now, instead of saying that Buddha is > like Buddhi and hence rules > intelligence, we need to find the usage of the word Dhi and its > meanings as given in other works of > Jyotish. In usage, this is the Most fundamental Gayatri mantra of the > Brahmana (Jupiter) where they > say " ...Bhargo Devasya Dhi-Mahi; Dhi-yo Yo Nah Prachodayaat " . Finally, > the exact four > implications of the word DHI have been spelt out by Harihara in the > monumental Classic PRASNA > MARGA > Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhi-ya > Dhiyayami Sadhwaham Buddhi Suddhi Vridhdhi Ca Sidhaye. > Thus, DHI includes Buddhi (intelligence), Suddhi (Purity), Vridhdhi > (Growth/Prosperity) and Siddhi > (Success/accomplishment of good actions). " Dhi " comes from the Akash > Tatwa that permeates all > signs and interacts with the other four Tatwa to produce Buddhi (with > Agni or light that leads to > enlightenment and knowledge), Suddhi (with Jala), Vridhdhi (with > Vayu) and Siddhi (with prithvi). > > Thus, the next natural question is " What is the role of Mercury > and the Sun in their interaction with > Jupiter and the real meaning of Dhi-mantah Yoga? " What is the real > meaning of Budha-Aditya Yoga > ? > > This prayer of Harihara also clarifies an important point, as to > WHO IS THE RECEPIENT OF > THE GAYATRI MANTRA. He prays to his Ista Devata Sri Venkateswara of > Tirupati (Vishnu) while I > address the same to Sri Jagannatha of Puri (Vishnu). Many books say > that this is addressed to the > Sun without realising that this is addressed to Savitur or > Prasava-Karana Devata or Narayana Who > is to be meditated upon in the center of the orb of the Sun. All planets represent forms of Vishnu, but don't forget that Narayana is the adhidevata of Mercury. In Vedic ceremonies, Narayana is invoked as the adhidevata of Mercury, while Indra etc are invoked as the adhi and pratyadhi devatas of Jupiter. > Being wise and being intelligent are but different parts of the > same Dhi Shakti. A child (Mercury) is > not wise, but has a deep desire to learn many things and attain the > knowledge of the world. This is > the effect of Prithvi tatwa ruled by Mercury and the deity Ganapati > guides the intellect of the child > towards Siddhi. Merely being OLD does not give wisdom, but this comes > from the aquisition of > knowledge, and Agni Tatwa and Surya Devata guide the intellect towards > aquisition of knowledge > and hence wisdom. Since the spheres of knowledge are many, so also a > person who is wise in > some matters may be very foolish in others. > > Coming to the types of knowledge or their broad classification, > after the Overlordship of Jupiter, > the Sun becomes the representative of knowledge with the six planets > from the Mon toSaturn ruling > the six types of knowledge that leads to salvation. These are Mimamsa, > Vedanta, Nyaya, Vaisesika, > Sankhya and Yoga. I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is > definitely not logic. The latter > is under Nyaya. Anyway everybody give their reasoning on this before > we progress further. True, Meemaamsaa is definitely not logic. It can be roughly expressed in English as " a profound examination/consideration/reflection of Vedas (Knowledge) " . Mercury probably stands for poorva-mimamsa, but I humbly suggest that Jupiter rules (along with Mercury) uttara-mimamsa (Brahma-mimamsa). By the way, the same Mercury stands for " tarka saastra " . Mercury's 108 names include " tarka saastra visaaradaha " . I am sure you know that " tarka " means " reasoning " and " logic " and " visaaradaha " means an expert/exponent. It is very clear that the faculty of reasoning is ruled by Mercury. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Your grateful sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 Ohm Ganapathayae namaha Pranam sanjayji, Guru is called Vachaspathi. Vak + pati: Vak means speach, and pati means lord. Does this mean that Guru is a signifier of vacha? I am confused. Why Mercury is assigned vacha and Guru Dhi? I am not questioning the authority of Parasara, but I am confused. In palmistry, there are two very important combination for a astrologer. 1. Joolian Ring : This is (if at all) found on the mount of Jupiter (round the mount). Results: The native will be an astrologer 2. A line across mounts of Moon and mars (under the little finger) Result: The native will be generous and will posses vak suddhu. (May experiance spells when with out other reasoning provide acurate predictions). The first combination in Palmistry I attributed to Guru's qualities to uphold traditional sastras like astrology, dharma etc. and his ruling over Vak, which is important for an astrologer. When Guru influences 2nd house I used to suggest that the native will speak gently impressing others with nice manners of speach. I got this feeling after learning that Guru is also called vachaspathi. [ I use 2nd house for speach, even though I hold 3rd house for communications). I have Rahu in second house, and my father used to tell be to be religious. He told me that Rahu in 2nd can give harsh language and when one applies him self to meditation gives marvelous vaksuddi. When I concetrated and meditated I had a very good time while predicting, and made me interested in palmistry and astrology ] Please help me out of my misunderstanding. Regards, vijay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 1999 Report Share Posted September 28, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Vijay, There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions of the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student) becomes a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru. This is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech personified. However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air, Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc., the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha on this. Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard and unlearnt. The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like Sukracharya or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati or Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many astrologers are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru Brihaspati for His kindness. May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu continue to guide you. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao <pvklnrao <varahamihira > Monday, September 27, 1999 3:48 PM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > Ohm Ganapathayae namaha > Pranam sanjayji, > > Guru is called Vachaspathi. Vak + pati: Vak means speach, and pati means > lord. > Does this mean that Guru is a signifier of vacha? I am confused. Why > Mercury is assigned vacha and Guru Dhi? > I am not questioning the authority of Parasara, but I am confused. > > In palmistry, there are two very important combination for a astrologer. > > 1. Joolian Ring : This is (if at all) found on the mount of Jupiter > (round the mount). > Results: The native will be an astrologer > 2. A line across mounts of Moon and mars (under the little finger) > Result: The native will be generous and will posses vak suddhu. (May > experiance spells when with out other reasoning provide acurate > predictions). > > The first combination in Palmistry I attributed to Guru's qualities to > uphold traditional > sastras like astrology, dharma etc. and his ruling over Vak, which is > important for an > astrologer. > > When Guru influences 2nd house I used to suggest that the native will > speak gently > impressing others with nice manners of speach. I got this feeling after > learning that > Guru is also called vachaspathi. > [ > I use 2nd house for speach, even though I hold 3rd house for > communications). > I have Rahu in second house, and my father used to tell be to be > religious. > He told me that Rahu in 2nd can give harsh language and when one applies > him self to meditation gives marvelous vaksuddi. When I concetrated and > meditated I had a > very good time while predicting, and made me interested in palmistry and > astrology > ] > > Please help me out of my misunderstanding. > > Regards, > vijay. > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 1999 Report Share Posted September 28, 1999 Sanjay Rath wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATH > Dear Vijay, > There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions of > the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student) becomes > a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru. This > is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher > (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this > to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech > personified. > However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the > vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the > medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air, > Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot > travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc., > the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled > by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord > of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha > on this. > Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the > blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his > teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard > and unlearnt. > The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like Sukracharya > or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati or > Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many astrologers > are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the > Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru > Brihaspati for His kindness. > May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > continue to guide you. In D-24, I have Guru in Lagna in Virgo. Virgo is further aspected by Sukra (from Gemini) and Sani (from Pisces). Kuja is in Cancer, and Budha is in Narasimha. with Rahu and Kethu. Chandra and Ravi are in Aqu. Influence of Sani cause obstrucles in understanding. Lagna lord Budha is afflicted by Rahu and Kethu. Perhaps due to that I put some questions disputing the authorities. With guidence from sadgurus like you and Narasimha I can follow the path shown and strengthened by the benefics. Thanks you for your blessings. It is our poorva punya to find a guru like you who has so much sishya vaatsalya. I am blessed when my brother Narasimha took me as a disciple and I thank Jagannaatha for making me part of this eternal parampara. I was told that Sani in 2nd house can harm speaking abilities. Such native will be a mita bhaashi or even may not be able to talk. Can Sani being ruler of vayu tatwa cause such an effect? May Guru shoe me the way to wisdom, vijay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 1999 Report Share Posted September 28, 1999 Dear Narasimha Prabhu, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original proponent of the Samkhya philosophy: Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30 taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati dravya sphurana vijnaanam indriyaanaam anugraham samSayo 'tha viparyaaso niSchaya smritir eva cha svaapa ityuchyate buddhir lakshanam vrittitah prithak " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes birth, O virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in ascertaining the nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. " " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as determined by their different functions, are said to be the distinct characteristics of intelligence. " ---- I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical experience of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical science, systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and similar staff all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one paradigm. It does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at all - it is just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana charvananam - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. It is excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but which is ultimately inconclusive. tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam mahajana yena gatah sa panthah ‘Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate.’ Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117). There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The former means specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern understanding of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within the given axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger (am not sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you can drive all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically understand what they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other things - is a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent scientists broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You need intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth. When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very big difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can what it called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class will be just superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to meditate (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying to see things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi tan no guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets revealed. And at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it (Mercury) - it comes out automatically. So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are never equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. They are on different platphorms altogether. Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if you are fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is Lord Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of reasoning and communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent via media for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion of Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited and the subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now. Hope I was not too heavy, Respecfully, with a smile, :-) Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 1999 Report Share Posted September 28, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Vijay, In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect of Jupiter also on the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury aspects the ninth as well). Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second. The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists) is to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn. Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays between 6 AM to 9 AM. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao <pvklnrao <varahamihira > Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:35 PM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > > > Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear Vijay, > > There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions of > > the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student) becomes > > a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru. This > > is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher > > (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this > > to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech > > personified. > > However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the > > vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the > > medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air, > > Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot > > travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc., > > the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled > > by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord > > of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha > > on this. > > Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the > > blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his > > teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard > > and unlearnt. > > The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like Sukracharya > > or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati or > > Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many astrologers > > are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the > > Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru > > Brihaspati for His kindness. > > > May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > continue to guide you. > > In D-24, I have Guru in Lagna in Virgo. Virgo is further aspected by Sukra (from > Gemini) and Sani (from Pisces). > Kuja is in Cancer, and Budha is in Narasimha. with Rahu and Kethu. Chandra and > Ravi are in Aqu. Influence of Sani > cause obstrucles in understanding. Lagna lord Budha is afflicted by Rahu and > Kethu. Perhaps due to that I put some > questions disputing the authorities. With guidence from sadgurus like you and > Narasimha I can follow the path shown and > strengthened by the benefics. > > Thanks you for your blessings. It is our poorva punya to find a guru like you > who has so much sishya vaatsalya. > > I am blessed when my brother Narasimha took me as a disciple and I thank > Jagannaatha for making me part of this > eternal parampara. > > I was told that Sani in 2nd house can harm speaking abilities. Such native will > be a mita bhaashi or even may not be able to talk. Can Sani being ruler of vayu > tatwa cause such an effect? > > May Guru shoe me the way to wisdom, > vijay. > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 1999 Report Share Posted September 28, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, Your discussion is perfectly correct and I am happy to see your understanding of the Sankhya Shastra. A few points to add. In the Tanmatra & Indriya you write Color-Light-Tejas, which should be corrected to Agni instead of Tejas. Second is the correlation of the planets. You have done an excellent job in the correlation of the five basic planets to the Tatwa, but why have you ignored the possibility of adding Sun instead of Mars and Moon instead of Venus for Agni & Jala respectively? Also please give the rationale for not choosing Jupiter for Anahata Chakra. This is the vital difference between Human beings and other Animals. These chakra also exist in the other animals, but with the qualitative difference in Agni (More Mars-physical strength for Animals and more Sun-knowledge and intelligence for Humans) and Jala (More Venus-mere sex for animals and More Moon-enjoyment of the seven Rasa for Human). Thus, we can even start grading Human beings as having more Mars or Sun and More Venus or Moon. People with more Venus and less Moon will be more animal or sex oriented while the ones with a greater influence of the moon will be oriented towards enjoying all the seven Rasa (figurative use here) instead of merely the sexual part. Similarly, a boxer is closer to the animal world (Mars) while Einstein or other brilliant scientists are closer to the Divine world (Surya). The higher Chakra are also combinations of influences and do not stand for single planets independantly. Study Moon-Saturn & Sun-Jupiter relations for this. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:09 PM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Gurudeva > > Pranaams. > > > (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this > > to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech > > personified. > > However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the > > vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the > > medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air, > > Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot > > travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc., > > the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled > > by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord > > of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha > > on this. > > Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the > > blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his > > teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard > > and unlearnt. > > I was deliberating on the above and i remembered the samkhya philosophy taught by Lord Kapila to His mother, Devahuti. He says that the five Tattwas appear bu the combination of the subtle sense objects (called Tanmatras) and the senses (called Indriyas) So He explains the following relations: > > sound - hearing - Akasha > form - touch - Vayu > color - sight - Tejas > taste - tongue - Jala > smell - nose - Prithivi > > As we have five Jnanendriyas (knowledge-acquiring senses) we also have five Karmendriyas (active senses). These are Speech, Hands, Legs, Reproductive organs and Organs of Evacuation. > As I have understood so far, Speech was related to Akasha, Hands ot Vayu, Feet to tejas, Reproductive organs to Jala and Rectum to Prithivi. Of course earth would represent all the five tanmatras, so sound is there in Prithivi as well as in Vayu, but first it appears in Akasha. And this sound is the original sound, the Pranava Omkara, which does not need any material elements to spread or exist, as Omkara is the source of everything, and the impersonla representation of Bhagava Sri Krishna. So if we link the planets and the lower chakras to these elements, then we get the following: > > Akasha - Visuddha - Jupiter > Vayu - Anahata - Saturn > Agni - Manipura - Mars > Jala - Svadhisthana - Venus > Prithivi - Mooladhara - Mercury > > Is this correct? I have put this question to You previously, but it looks like You waited for me to answer it myself. If we get upper, then we have the Sun and Moon left, so I would assign Moon to the Ajna, and Sun to the Sahasrara. Although in a previous letter You have assigned Jupiter as the ruler of Sahasrara Chakra. > > Please explain these things to me more clearly! > > Your shishya, > > Gauranga das > > > > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 Ohm Ganapathayae namaha Pranam Sanjayji, You wrote: JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Vijay, In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect of Jupiter also on the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury aspects the ninth as well). Even Saturn (from Pisces) is aspecting it. Does this indicate following a guru who diverted from the devine and traditional path? How ever, Sani is in Pisces and is aspected by Guru. By devine grace, I may be brought back to the right path by sadgurus like you and Narasimha. Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second. The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists) is to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn. Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays between 6 AM to 9 AM. When I posed question regarding Sani influencing 2nd house, I asked it generally. My second is not influenced by Sani. How ever, I think you were having my Rasi chart (where Rahu is in second house) when you wrote. What are the posssible maladies? I will how ever abide by your advice by observing mauna vrata on Saturdays to best of my ability. I could not understand what is hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn" Can you please elaborate. your sishya, Vijay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to Mercury in the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person becomes of loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the person has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also gives a good character. Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability to learn by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not rule the pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had stopped, the next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to salvation and their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you including the quotes from the Gita etc? Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > Dear Yasomati, > > Namaste. > > I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to speculate (I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and realization (vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that speculation is caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The same Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru (9th house) always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because Mercury may get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong relationship with Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with Saturn, this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect knowledge. Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and Sraddha, whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless (asraddha). > > I hole this adds to the picture. > > Yours, > > Gauranga das > > > > ---------- > > Dear Narasimha Prabhu, > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original proponent > > of the Samkhya philosophy: > > > > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30 > > > > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad > > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati > > dravya sphurana vijnaanam > > indriyaanaam anugraham > > > > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso > > niSchaya smritir eva cha > > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir > > lakshanam vrittitah prithak > > > > > > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes birth, O > > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in ascertaining the > > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. " > > > > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as determined > > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct characteristics of > > intelligence. " > > > > ---- > > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical experience > > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical science, > > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and similar staff > > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one paradigm. It > > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at all - it is > > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana charvananam > > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. It is > > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but which is > > ultimately inconclusive. > > > > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna > > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam > > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam > > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah > > > > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not > > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the > > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which > > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles > > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, > > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the > > mahajanas advocate.? > > > > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117). > > > > > > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The former means > > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern understanding > > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within the given > > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger (am not > > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you can drive > > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically understand what > > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other things - is > > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent scientists > > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You need > > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth. > > > > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very big > > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can what it > > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class will be just > > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to meditate > > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying to see > > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi tan no > > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets revealed. And > > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it (Mercury) - > > it comes out automatically. > > > > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are never > > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. They are on > > different platphorms altogether. > > > > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if you are > > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is Lord > > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of reasoning and > > communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent via media > > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion of > > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited and the > > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now. > > > > Hope I was not too heavy, > > > > Respecfully, > > with a smile, :-) > > > > Yasomatinandana das > > > > > > ------ > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta, Sankhya, Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these? Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:08 PM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Gurudeva, > > I'm not sure in what five forms of knowledge do you mean. Could You give a hint and then maybe I will able to execute the task. I was thinkink of the five tattwas explained in the Gita and the Vedanta Sutra. These are Isvara, Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma. There are also Karma, Jnana, Dhyana and Bhakri Yogas expalined, but these are only four. So could You specify what five forms of knowledge did you mean? > > You shishya, > > Gauranga das > > ---------- > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear Gauranga, > > That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to Mercury in > > the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person becomes of > > loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the person > > has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also gives a > > good character. > > Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability to learn > > by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not rule the > > pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had stopped, the > > next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to salvation and > > their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you including the > > quotes from the Gita etc? > > Hare Krishna > > Sanjay Rath > > - > > Gauranga Das <gauranga > > Varahamihira <varahamihira > > > Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM > > Re: Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > > > Dear Yasomati, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to speculate > > (I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and realization > > (vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that speculation is > > caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The same > > Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru (9th house) > > always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because Mercury may > > get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong relationship with > > Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with Saturn, > > this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect knowledge. > > Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and Sraddha, > > whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless (asraddha). > > > > > > I hole this adds to the picture. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga das > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > Dear Narasimha Prabhu, > > > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > > > > > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original > > proponent > > > > of the Samkhya philosophy: > > > > > > > > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30 > > > > > > > > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad > > > > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati > > > > dravya sphurana vijnaanam > > > > indriyaanaam anugraham > > > > > > > > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso > > > > niSchaya smritir eva cha > > > > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir > > > > lakshanam vrittitah prithak > > > > > > > > > > > > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes > > birth, O > > > > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in ascertaining > > the > > > > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. " > > > > > > > > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as > > determined > > > > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct > > characteristics of > > > > intelligence. " > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical > > experience > > > > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical > > science, > > > > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and similar > > staff > > > > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one > > paradigm. It > > > > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at all - > > it is > > > > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana > > charvananam > > > > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. It > > is > > > > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but which is > > > > ultimately inconclusive. > > > > > > > > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna > > > > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam > > > > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam > > > > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah > > > > > > > > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does > > not > > > > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying > > the > > > > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which > > > > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious > > principles > > > > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. > > Consequently, > > > > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the > > > > mahajanas advocate.? > > > > > > > > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The former > > means > > > > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern > > understanding > > > > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within the > > given > > > > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger (am > > not > > > > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you can > > drive > > > > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically understand > > what > > > > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other > > things - is > > > > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent > > scientists > > > > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You need > > > > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth. > > > > > > > > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very big > > > > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can what > > it > > > > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class will > > be just > > > > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to meditate > > > > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying to > > see > > > > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi tan > > no > > > > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets > > revealed. And > > > > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it > > (Mercury) - > > > > it comes out automatically. > > > > > > > > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are > > never > > > > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. They > > are on > > > > different platphorms altogether. > > > > > > > > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if you > > are > > > > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is > > Lord > > > > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of reasoning > > and > > > > communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent via > > media > > > > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion of > > > > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited and > > the > > > > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now. > > > > > > > > Hope I was not too heavy, > > > > > > > > Respecfully, > > > > with a smile, :-) > > > > > > > > Yasomatinandana das > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vijay, You Wrote "I could not understand what is hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn". This is the Kala-Chakra. Saturn is in the NW & Mars in SE. Understand the kala-Chakra and the Astadala padma which is the foundation of Hinduism and Jyotish. Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath - Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao varahamihira Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:21 PM Re: Mercury and Jupiter Ohm Ganapathayae namaha Pranam Sanjayji, You wrote: JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Vijay, In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect of Jupiter also on the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury aspects the ninth as well).Even Saturn (from Pisces) is aspecting it. Does this indicate following a guru who diverted from the devine and traditional path? How ever, Sani is in Pisces and is aspected by Guru. By devine grace, I may be brought back to the right path by sadgurus like you and Narasimha. Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second. The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists) is to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn. Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays between 6 AM to 9 AM.When I posed question regarding Sani influencing 2nd house, I asked it generally. My second is not influenced by Sani. How ever, I think you were having my Rasi chart (where Rahu is in second house) when you wrote. What are the posssible maladies? I will how ever abide by your advice by observing mauna vrata on Saturdays to best of my ability. I could not understand what is hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn" Can you please elaborate. your sishya, Vijay. Click Here! eGroups.com home: varahamihirawww. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 Pranaam Sanjaya, > I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta, Sankhya, > Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these? > Hare Krishna This is what my intuition tells me: --------------- Poorva Meemaamsaa (Jaimini) - Mercury - This philosophy puts too much weight in karma/action and argues that good action gives good results. It puts " duty " on a higher pedestal than " bhakti " . It recognizes fruitive activities as the reason for the existence of this universe. [One-word summary: speculation] Uttara Meemaamsaa/Vedanta (Badarayana) - Jupiter - Recognizes personal Brahman who transcends the material nature of this universe. [One-word summary: realization] --------------- Nyaaya (Goutama) - Mars - The philosophy of logical and rational thinking. It recognizes atom as the reason for the existence of this universe. [One-word summary: logic] Vaiseshika (Kanada) - Moon (or Venus?) - Recognizes *impersonal* Brahman as the reason for the existence of this universe. [One-word summary: maya] --------------- Saankhya (Kapila) - Venus (or Moon?) - Somewhat atheistic philosophy. Says that the material nature of this universe is its cause of existence. It analyzes various bhootas, tanmantras etc primordial sources of this universe. This is a materialistically oriented philosophy. [One-word summary: materialism] Yoga (Patanjali) - Saturn - Recognizes a Godhead that can be realized with discipline. [One-word summary: discipline] --------------- Each of these philosophies may have sub-fields which are ruled by various planets. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Narasimha, Shows perfect understanding. You got it right. FINAL LIST:- Mimamsa (Both)-Mercury Nyaya-Mars Vaiseshika-Venus Saankhya-Moon Vedanta-Jupiter Yoga-Saturn Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - <pvr <varahamihira > Saturday, October 02, 1999 5:05 AM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > Pranaam Sanjaya, > > > I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta, > Sankhya, > > Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these? > > Hare Krishna > > This is what my intuition tells me: > > --------------- > Poorva Meemaamsaa (Jaimini) - Mercury > > - This philosophy puts too much weight in karma/action > and argues that good action gives good results. It puts > " duty " on a higher pedestal than " bhakti " . It recognizes > fruitive activities as the reason for the existence of > this universe. [One-word summary: speculation] > > Uttara Meemaamsaa/Vedanta (Badarayana) - Jupiter > > - Recognizes personal Brahman who transcends the > material nature of this universe. [One-word summary: > realization] > --------------- > Nyaaya (Goutama) - Mars > > - The philosophy of logical and rational thinking. It > recognizes atom as the reason for the existence of > this universe. [One-word summary: logic] > > Vaiseshika (Kanada) - Moon (or Venus?) > > - Recognizes *impersonal* Brahman as the reason for the > existence of this universe. [One-word summary: maya] > --------------- > Saankhya (Kapila) - Venus (or Moon?) > > - Somewhat atheistic philosophy. Says that the material > nature of this universe is its cause of existence. It > analyzes various bhootas, tanmantras etc primordial > sources of this universe. This is a materialistically > oriented philosophy. [One-word summary: materialism] > > Yoga (Patanjali) - Saturn > > - Recognizes a Godhead that can be realized with > discipline. [One-word summary: discipline] > --------------- > > Each of these philosophies may have sub-fields which are > ruled by various planets. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > > ------ > OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, One-Vedanta for Jupiter. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:11 AM Re: Mercury and Jupiter > ---------- > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear Gauranga, > > I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta, Sankhya, > > Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these? > > Hare Krishna > > Sanjay Rath > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Gurudeva, > > Pranaams. > > Let's see. I'm just trying to guess. > > Vedanta - Jupiter > Yoga - Moon > Nyaya - Mercury > Vaisesika - Saturn > Samkhya - Mars > Mimamsa - Venus > > How many are correct? > > > Your shishya, > > Gauranga das > > > > > > > - > > Gauranga Das <gauranga > > Varahamihira <varahamihira > > > Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:08 PM > > Re: Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear Gurudeva, > > > > > > I'm not sure in what five forms of knowledge do you mean. Could You give a > > hint and then maybe I will able to execute the task. I was thinkink of the > > five tattwas explained in the Gita and the Vedanta Sutra. These are Isvara, > > Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma. There are also Karma, Jnana, Dhyana and > > Bhakri Yogas expalined, but these are only four. So could You specify what > > five forms of knowledge did you mean? > > > > > > You shishya, > > > > > > Gauranga das > > > > > > ---------- > > > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > > > Dear Gauranga, > > > > That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to Mercury > > in > > > > the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person becomes > > of > > > > loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the > > person > > > > has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also > > gives a > > > > good character. > > > > Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability to > > learn > > > > by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not rule > > the > > > > pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had stopped, > > the > > > > next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to salvation > > and > > > > their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you including > > the > > > > quotes from the Gita etc? > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > - > > > > Gauranga Das <gauranga > > > > Varahamihira <varahamihira > > > > > Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM > > > > Re: Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yasomati, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to speculate > > > > (I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and > > realization > > > > (vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that > > speculation is > > > > caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The same > > > > Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru (9th > > house) > > > > always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because Mercury > > may > > > > get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong relationship > > with > > > > Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with > > Saturn, > > > > this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect knowledge. > > > > Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and Sraddha, > > > > whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless (asraddha). > > > > > > > > > > I hole this adds to the picture. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > Gauranga das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > Dear Narasimha Prabhu, > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original > > > > proponent > > > > > > of the Samkhya philosophy: > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30 > > > > > > > > > > > > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad > > > > > > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati > > > > > > dravya sphurana vijnaanam > > > > > > indriyaanaam anugraham > > > > > > > > > > > > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso > > > > > > niSchaya smritir eva cha > > > > > > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir > > > > > > > lakshanam vrittitah prithak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes > > > > birth, O > > > > > > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in > > ascertaining > > > > the > > > > > > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. " > > > > > > > > > > > > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as > > > > determined > > > > > > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct > > > > > > characteristics of > > > > > > intelligence. " > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical > > > > experience > > > > > > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical > > > > science, > > > > > > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and > > similar > > > > staff > > > > > > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one > > > > paradigm. It > > > > > > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at > > all - > > > > it is > > > > > > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana > > > > charvananam > > > > > > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. > > It > > > > is > > > > > > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but > > which is > > > > > > ultimately inconclusive. > > > > > > > > > > > > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna > > > > > > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam > > > > > > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam > > > > > > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah > > > > > > > > > > > > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion > > does > > > > not > > > > > > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by > > studying > > > > the > > > > > > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by > > which > > > > > > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious > > > > principles > > > > > > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. > > > > Consequently, > > > > > > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path > > the > > > > > > mahajanas advocate.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The > > former > > > > means > > > > > > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern > > > > understanding > > > > > > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within > > the > > > > given > > > > > > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger > > (am > > > > not > > > > > > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you > > can > > > > drive > > > > > > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically > > understand > > > > what > > > > > > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other > > > > things - is > > > > > > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent > > > > scientists > > > > > > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You > > need > > > > > > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very > > big > > > > > > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can > > what > > > > it > > > > > > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class > > will > > > > be just > > > > > > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to > > meditate > > > > > > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying > > to > > > > see > > > > > > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi > > tan > > > > no > > > > > > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets > > > > revealed. And > > > > > > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it > > > > (Mercury) - > > > > > > it comes out automatically. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are > > > > never > > > > > > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. > > They > > > > are on > > > > > > different platphorms altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if > > you > > > > are > > > > > > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is > > > > Lord > > > > > > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of > > reasoning > > > > and > > > > > > communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent > > via > > > > media > > > > > > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion > > of > > > > > > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited > > and > > > > the > > > > > > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I was not too heavy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Respecfully, > > > > > > with a smile, :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yasomatinandana das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > > > > ------ > OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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