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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

> Parasara is very clear is assigning the primary role of " Dhi " to

> Jupiter

> and " Vach " to Mercury. Jupiter also rules the Sahasrara Chakra, the

> seat of

> intelligence, Knowing (or knowledge) and understanding that leads to

> wisdom.

> Mercury is the " Vach " or the power of expression, whether in the

> written

> media or spoken or in any other form. We can call this as a function

> of

> intelligence, but not intelligence in itself. For example, man is an

> intelligent creature and can speak languages whereas other animals

> cannot

> speak languages. Here the expression of intelligence is being stated

> and

> not intelligence in itself. This is a very subtle difference. I think

> this

> concept of Mercury ruling intelligence and Jupiter ruling happiness is

> more

> from western astrology. Sukha or happiness is attributed to Venus and

> not

> Jupiter. This is the view of Parasara Muni.

 

Mercury is not only the significator of " vaach " (speech). Budha

signifies " buddhi " as well. Buddhi is basically intelligence.

 

The Sanskrit word " dhee " has many meanings, but I distinguish between

the English words " wisdom " and " intelligence " . I distinguish between

being " wise " and being " intelligent " . Jupiter stands for the former and

Mercury for the latter. To me, " intelligence " means the ability to

think, reason out things and understand. Mercury is the planet of logic

and he rules the faculty of reasoning.

 

I don't think what I am saying is against what rishis said. As Budha's

108 names say, he is " buddhimat " , " vidyaa vichakshana vibhuh " ,

" vidwatpreeti karaha " , " vividhaagama saarajnah " , " bahu saastrajnah " .

 

* * *

 

saumyah dadaatu vidvattaam

guruh prajnaam dadaatu cha

sree jagannaatha vedaadi

kendram jnaanaambudhih bhavet!

 

(Meaning: May Mercury give scholarship, may Jupiter give wisdom and may

" Sree Jagannath Vedic Center " become an ocean of true knowledge!)

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

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JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha,

Thank you for the nice prayer. Agreed that there are many meanings of the word Dhi and that these also include, understanding, intelligence and wisdom personified as Brihaspati in the Rig Veda. Guru is the Lord of this faculty of the Brain called Sahasrara Padma and is of white color. This includes all the other seven colors as well as all the shades in it. This is the area of Memory where a jupiter in Simhasanamsa can give the memory of the past three births! (Sarvartha Chintamani). At least you have agreed that Parasara has stated that DHI is ruled by Brihaspati/ Jupiter and Vach by Mercury. Now, instead of saying that Buddha is like Buddhi and hence rules intelligence, we need to find the usage of the word Dhi and its meanings as given in other works of Jyotish. In usage, this is the Most fundamental Gayatri mantra of the Brahmana (Jupiter) where they say "...Bhargo Devasya Dhi-Mahi; Dhi-yo Yo Nah Prachodayaat". Finally, the exact four implications of the word DHI have been spelt out by Harihara in the monumental Classic PRASNA MARGA

Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhi-ya

Dhiyayami Sadhwaham Buddhi Suddhi Vridhdhi Ca Sidhaye.

Thus, DHI includes Buddhi (intelligence), Suddhi (Purity), Vridhdhi (Growth/Prosperity) and Siddhi (Success/accomplishment of good actions). "Dhi" comes from the Akash Tatwa that permeates all signs and interacts with the other four Tatwa to produce Buddhi (with Agni or light that leads to enlightenment and knowledge), Suddhi (with Jala), Vridhdhi (with Vayu) and Siddhi (with prithvi).

 

Thus, the next natural question is "What is the role of Mercury and the Sun in their interaction with Jupiter and the real meaning of Dhi-mantah Yoga?" What is the real meaning of Budha-Aditya Yoga ?

 

This prayer of Harihara also clarifies an important point, as to WHO IS THE RECEPIENT OF THE GAYATRI MANTRA. He prays to his Ista Devata Sri Venkateswara of Tirupati (Vishnu) while I address the same to Sri Jagannatha of Puri (Vishnu). Many books say that this is addressed to the Sun without realising that this is addressed to Savitur or Prasava-Karana Devata or Narayana Who is to be meditated upon in the center of the orb of the Sun.

 

Being wise and being intelligent are but different parts of the same Dhi Shakti. A child (Mercury) is not wise, but has a deep desire to learn many things and attain the knowledge of the world. This is the effect of Prithvi tatwa ruled by Mercury and the deity Ganapati guides the intellect of the child towards Siddhi. Merely being OLD does not give wisdom, but this comes from the aquisition of knowledge, and Agni Tatwa and Surya Devata guide the intellect towards aquisition of knowledge and hence wisdom. Since the spheres of knowledge are many, so also a person who is wise in some matters may be very foolish in others.

 

Coming to the types of knowledge or their broad classification, after the Overlordship of Jupiter, the Sun becomes the representative of knowledge with the six planets from the Mon toSaturn ruling the six types of knowledge that leads to salvation. These are Mimamsa, Vedanta, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Sankhya and Yoga. I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is definitely not logic. The latter is under Nyaya. Anyway everybody give their reasoning on this before we progress further.

 

Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath

 

 

Narasimha Rao <pvr

<varahamihira >

Sunday, September 26, 1999 9:05 AM

Mercury and Jupiter

> Pranaam Sanjay,> > > Parasara is very clear is assigning the primary role of "Dhi" to> > Jupiter> > and "Vach" to Mercury. Jupiter also rules the Sahasrara Chakra, the> > seat of> > intelligence, Knowing (or knowledge) and understanding that leads to> > wisdom.> > Mercury is the "Vach" or the power of expression, whether in the> > written> > media or spoken or in any other form. We can call this as a function> > of> > intelligence, but not intelligence in itself. For example, man is an> > intelligent creature and can speak languages whereas other animals> > cannot> > speak languages. Here the expression of intelligence is being stated> > and> > not intelligence in itself. This is a very subtle difference. I think> > this> > concept of Mercury ruling intelligence and Jupiter ruling happiness is> > more> > from western astrology. Sukha or happiness is attributed to Venus and> > not> > Jupiter. This is the view of Parasara Muni.> > Mercury is not only the significator of "vaach" (speech). Budha> signifies "buddhi" as well. Buddhi is basically intelligence.> > The Sanskrit word "dhee" has many meanings, but I distinguish between> the English words "wisdom" and "intelligence". I distinguish between> being "wise" and being "intelligent". Jupiter stands for the former and> Mercury for the latter. To me, "intelligence" means the ability to> think, reason out things and understand. Mercury is the planet of logic> and he rules the faculty of reasoning.> > I don't think what I am saying is against what rishis said. As Budha's> 108 names say, he is "buddhimat", "vidyaa vichakshana vibhuh",> "vidwatpreeti karaha", "vividhaagama saarajnah", "bahu saastrajnah".> > * * *> > saumyah dadaatu vidvattaam> guruh prajnaam dadaatu cha> sree jagannaatha vedaadi> kendram jnaanaambudhih bhavet!> > (Meaning: May Mercury give scholarship, may Jupiter give wisdom and may> "Sree Jagannath Vedic Center" become an ocean of true knowledge!)> > Your sishya,> Narasimha> > > > ------> > eGroups.com home: varahamihira> - Simplifying group communications> > > >

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

[Note: Hoping that you won't mind, I am forwarding this to

vedic astrology list also, as your excellent points will be appreciated

there also.]

 

I agree with much of what you said.

 

To me, " intelligence " is the ability to understand, think, analyze,

reason out and know. " Reasoning things out " is an important part of

intelligence. It is clear that Mercury rules the faculty of reasoning.

 

While earthy Mercury rules the faculty of reasoning (and hence

" intelligence " ), ethery Jupiter rules the faculty of perception (and

hence " wisdom " ).

 

> Thank you for the nice prayer. Agreed that there are many meanings

> of the word Dhi and that

> these also include, understanding, intelligence and wisdom personified

> as Brihaspati in the Rig

> Veda. Guru is the Lord of this faculty of the Brain called Sahasrara

> Padma and is of white color.

> This includes all the other seven colors as well as all the shades in

> it. This is the area of Memory

> where a jupiter in Simhasanamsa can give the memory of the past three

> births! (Sarvartha

> Chintamani). At least you have agreed that Parasara has stated that

> DHI is ruled by Brihaspati/

> Jupiter and Vach by Mercury. Now, instead of saying that Buddha is

> like Buddhi and hence rules

> intelligence, we need to find the usage of the word Dhi and its

> meanings as given in other works of

> Jyotish. In usage, this is the Most fundamental Gayatri mantra of the

> Brahmana (Jupiter) where they

> say " ...Bhargo Devasya Dhi-Mahi; Dhi-yo Yo Nah Prachodayaat " . Finally,

> the exact four

> implications of the word DHI have been spelt out by Harihara in the

> monumental Classic PRASNA

> MARGA

> Madhyatavyadhipam Dugdhasindhukanyadhwam Dhi-ya

> Dhiyayami Sadhwaham Buddhi Suddhi Vridhdhi Ca Sidhaye.

> Thus, DHI includes Buddhi (intelligence), Suddhi (Purity), Vridhdhi

> (Growth/Prosperity) and Siddhi

> (Success/accomplishment of good actions). " Dhi " comes from the Akash

> Tatwa that permeates all

> signs and interacts with the other four Tatwa to produce Buddhi (with

> Agni or light that leads to

> enlightenment and knowledge), Suddhi (with Jala), Vridhdhi (with

> Vayu) and Siddhi (with prithvi).

>

> Thus, the next natural question is " What is the role of Mercury

> and the Sun in their interaction with

> Jupiter and the real meaning of Dhi-mantah Yoga? " What is the real

> meaning of Budha-Aditya Yoga

> ?

>

> This prayer of Harihara also clarifies an important point, as to

> WHO IS THE RECEPIENT OF

> THE GAYATRI MANTRA. He prays to his Ista Devata Sri Venkateswara of

> Tirupati (Vishnu) while I

> address the same to Sri Jagannatha of Puri (Vishnu). Many books say

> that this is addressed to the

> Sun without realising that this is addressed to Savitur or

> Prasava-Karana Devata or Narayana Who

> is to be meditated upon in the center of the orb of the Sun.

 

All planets represent forms of Vishnu, but don't forget that Narayana is

the adhidevata of Mercury.

 

In Vedic ceremonies, Narayana is invoked as the adhidevata of Mercury,

while Indra etc are invoked as the adhi and pratyadhi devatas of

Jupiter.

 

> Being wise and being intelligent are but different parts of the

> same Dhi Shakti. A child (Mercury) is

> not wise, but has a deep desire to learn many things and attain the

> knowledge of the world. This is

> the effect of Prithvi tatwa ruled by Mercury and the deity Ganapati

> guides the intellect of the child

> towards Siddhi. Merely being OLD does not give wisdom, but this comes

> from the aquisition of

> knowledge, and Agni Tatwa and Surya Devata guide the intellect towards

> aquisition of knowledge

> and hence wisdom. Since the spheres of knowledge are many, so also a

> person who is wise in

> some matters may be very foolish in others.

>

> Coming to the types of knowledge or their broad classification,

> after the Overlordship of Jupiter,

> the Sun becomes the representative of knowledge with the six planets

> from the Mon toSaturn ruling

> the six types of knowledge that leads to salvation. These are Mimamsa,

> Vedanta, Nyaya, Vaisesika,

> Sankhya and Yoga. I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is

> definitely not logic. The latter

> is under Nyaya. Anyway everybody give their reasoning on this before

> we progress further.

 

True, Meemaamsaa is definitely not logic. It can be roughly expressed in

English as " a profound examination/consideration/reflection of Vedas

(Knowledge) " .

 

Mercury probably stands for poorva-mimamsa, but I humbly suggest that

Jupiter rules (along with Mercury) uttara-mimamsa (Brahma-mimamsa).

 

By the way, the same Mercury stands for " tarka saastra " . Mercury's 108

names include " tarka saastra visaaradaha " . I am sure you know that

" tarka " means " reasoning " and " logic " and " visaaradaha " means an

expert/exponent. It is very clear that the faculty of reasoning is ruled

by Mercury.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Your grateful sishya,

Narasimha

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Ohm Ganapathayae namaha

Pranam sanjayji,

 

Guru is called Vachaspathi. Vak + pati: Vak means speach, and pati means

lord.

Does this mean that Guru is a signifier of vacha? I am confused. Why

Mercury is assigned vacha and Guru Dhi?

I am not questioning the authority of Parasara, but I am confused.

 

In palmistry, there are two very important combination for a astrologer.

 

1. Joolian Ring : This is (if at all) found on the mount of Jupiter

(round the mount).

Results: The native will be an astrologer

2. A line across mounts of Moon and mars (under the little finger)

Result: The native will be generous and will posses vak suddhu. (May

experiance spells when with out other reasoning provide acurate

predictions).

 

The first combination in Palmistry I attributed to Guru's qualities to

uphold traditional

sastras like astrology, dharma etc. and his ruling over Vak, which is

important for an

astrologer.

 

When Guru influences 2nd house I used to suggest that the native will

speak gently

impressing others with nice manners of speach. I got this feeling after

learning that

Guru is also called vachaspathi.

[

I use 2nd house for speach, even though I hold 3rd house for

communications).

I have Rahu in second house, and my father used to tell be to be

religious.

He told me that Rahu in 2nd can give harsh language and when one applies

him self to meditation gives marvelous vaksuddi. When I concetrated and

meditated I had a

very good time while predicting, and made me interested in palmistry and

astrology

]

 

Please help me out of my misunderstanding.

 

Regards,

vijay.

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Vijay,

There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions of

the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student) becomes

a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru. This

is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher

(most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this

to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech

personified.

However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the

vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the

medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air,

Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot

travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc.,

the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled

by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord

of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha

on this.

Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the

blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his

teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard

and unlearnt.

The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like Sukracharya

or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati or

Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many astrologers

are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the

Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru

Brihaspati for His kindness. May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

continue to guide you.

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

 

-

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao <pvklnrao

<varahamihira >

Monday, September 27, 1999 3:48 PM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> Ohm Ganapathayae namaha

> Pranam sanjayji,

>

> Guru is called Vachaspathi. Vak + pati: Vak means speach, and pati means

> lord.

> Does this mean that Guru is a signifier of vacha? I am confused. Why

> Mercury is assigned vacha and Guru Dhi?

> I am not questioning the authority of Parasara, but I am confused.

>

> In palmistry, there are two very important combination for a astrologer.

>

> 1. Joolian Ring : This is (if at all) found on the mount of Jupiter

> (round the mount).

> Results: The native will be an astrologer

> 2. A line across mounts of Moon and mars (under the little finger)

> Result: The native will be generous and will posses vak suddhu. (May

> experiance spells when with out other reasoning provide acurate

> predictions).

>

> The first combination in Palmistry I attributed to Guru's qualities to

> uphold traditional

> sastras like astrology, dharma etc. and his ruling over Vak, which is

> important for an

> astrologer.

>

> When Guru influences 2nd house I used to suggest that the native will

> speak gently

> impressing others with nice manners of speach. I got this feeling after

> learning that

> Guru is also called vachaspathi.

> [

> I use 2nd house for speach, even though I hold 3rd house for

> communications).

> I have Rahu in second house, and my father used to tell be to be

> religious.

> He told me that Rahu in 2nd can give harsh language and when one applies

> him self to meditation gives marvelous vaksuddi. When I concetrated and

> meditated I had a

> very good time while predicting, and made me interested in palmistry and

> astrology

> ]

>

> Please help me out of my misunderstanding.

>

> Regards,

> vijay.

>

>

> ------

>

> eGroups.com home: varahamihira

> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

>

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Sanjay Rath wrote:

 

> JAYA JAGANNATH

> Dear Vijay,

> There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions of

> the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student) becomes

> a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru. This

> is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher

> (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught this

> to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech

> personified.

> However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the

> vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the

> medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of air,

> Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot

> travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires etc.,

> the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara ruled

> by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord

> of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to Narasimha

> on this.

> Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the

> blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his

> teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless, unheard

> and unlearnt.

> The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like Sukracharya

> or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati or

> Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many astrologers

> are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the

> Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru

> Brihaspati for His kindness.

 

> May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

> continue to guide you.

 

In D-24, I have Guru in Lagna in Virgo. Virgo is further aspected by Sukra (from

Gemini) and Sani (from Pisces).

Kuja is in Cancer, and Budha is in Narasimha. with Rahu and Kethu. Chandra and

Ravi are in Aqu. Influence of Sani

cause obstrucles in understanding. Lagna lord Budha is afflicted by Rahu and

Kethu. Perhaps due to that I put some

questions disputing the authorities. With guidence from sadgurus like you and

Narasimha I can follow the path shown and

strengthened by the benefics.

 

Thanks you for your blessings. It is our poorva punya to find a guru like you

who has so much sishya vaatsalya.

 

I am blessed when my brother Narasimha took me as a disciple and I thank

Jagannaatha for making me part of this

eternal parampara.

 

I was told that Sani in 2nd house can harm speaking abilities. Such native will

be a mita bhaashi or even may not be able to talk. Can Sani being ruler of vayu

tatwa cause such an effect?

 

May Guru shoe me the way to wisdom,

vijay.

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Dear Narasimha Prabhu,

Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath!

 

Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original proponent of the Samkhya philosophy:

 

Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30

 

taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad

buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati

dravya sphurana vijnaanam

indriyaanaam anugraham

 

samSayo 'tha viparyaaso

niSchaya smritir eva cha

svaapa ityuchyate buddhir

lakshanam vrittitah prithak

 

 

" By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes birth, O virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in ascertaining the nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. "

" Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as determined by their different functions, are said to be the distinct characteristics of intelligence. "

----

I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical experience of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical science, systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and similar staff all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one paradigm. It does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at all - it is just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana charvananam - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. It is excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but which is ultimately inconclusive.

 

tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna

naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam

dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam

mahajana yena gatah sa panthah

 

‘Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate.’

Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117).

 

There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The former means specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern understanding of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within the given axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger (am not sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you can drive all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically understand what they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other things - is a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent scientists broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You need intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth.

 

When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very big difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can what it called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class will be just superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to meditate (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying to see things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi tan no guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets revealed. And at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it (Mercury) - it comes out automatically.

 

So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are never equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. They are on different platphorms altogether.

 

Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if you are fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is Lord Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of reasoning and communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent via media for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion of Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited and the subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now.

 

Hope I was not too heavy,

 

Respecfully,

with a smile, :-)

Yasomatinandana das

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Vijay,

In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect of Jupiter also on

the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury

aspects the ninth as well).

Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second.

The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists) is

to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn.

Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays between 6

AM to 9 AM.

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao <pvklnrao

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:35 PM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

>

>

> Sanjay Rath wrote:

>

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Vijay,

> > There is a considerable amount of overlapping between the functions

of

> > the student and the teacher. At a point of time the Buddha (Student)

becomes

> > a Guru (Teacher) and yet, he continues to be a student of his own Guru.

This

> > is true for all of us. The name Vachaspati refers to Guru as the teacher

> > (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught

this

> > to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech

> > personified.

> > However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the

> > vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the

> > medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of

air,

> > Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot

> > travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires

etc.,

> > the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara

ruled

> > by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord

> > of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to

Narasimha

> > on this.

> > Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the

> > blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his

> > teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless,

unheard

> > and unlearnt.

> > The REAL difference between KN Rao and I is that he is like

Sukracharya

> > or Brighu with his millions of disciples, while I am ruled by Brihaspati

or

> > Vyasadeva with a few, but the most learned disciples. How many

astrologers

> > are there in this world who can match the brilliance of Narasimha or the

> > Tapasya of Ashok. I am very fortunate and am very thankful to Deva Guru

> > Brihaspati for His kindness.

>

> > May the Light of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

> > continue to guide you.

>

> In D-24, I have Guru in Lagna in Virgo. Virgo is further aspected by Sukra

(from

> Gemini) and Sani (from Pisces).

> Kuja is in Cancer, and Budha is in Narasimha. with Rahu and Kethu. Chandra

and

> Ravi are in Aqu. Influence of Sani

> cause obstrucles in understanding. Lagna lord Budha is afflicted by Rahu

and

> Kethu. Perhaps due to that I put some

> questions disputing the authorities. With guidence from sadgurus like you

and

> Narasimha I can follow the path shown and

> strengthened by the benefics.

>

> Thanks you for your blessings. It is our poorva punya to find a guru like

you

> who has so much sishya vaatsalya.

>

> I am blessed when my brother Narasimha took me as a disciple and I thank

> Jagannaatha for making me part of this

> eternal parampara.

>

> I was told that Sani in 2nd house can harm speaking abilities. Such native

will

> be a mita bhaashi or even may not be able to talk. Can Sani being ruler of

vayu

> tatwa cause such an effect?

>

> May Guru shoe me the way to wisdom,

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Dear Gauranga,

Your discussion is perfectly correct and I am happy to see your

understanding of the Sankhya Shastra. A few points to add. In the Tanmatra &

Indriya you write Color-Light-Tejas, which should be corrected to Agni

instead of Tejas.

 

Second is the correlation of the planets. You have done an excellent job

in the correlation of the five basic planets to the Tatwa, but why have you

ignored the possibility of adding Sun instead of Mars and Moon instead of

Venus for Agni & Jala respectively? Also please give the rationale for not

choosing Jupiter for Anahata Chakra.

 

This is the vital difference between Human beings and other Animals.

These chakra also exist in the other animals, but with the qualitative

difference in Agni (More Mars-physical strength for Animals and more

Sun-knowledge and intelligence for Humans) and Jala (More Venus-mere sex for

animals and More Moon-enjoyment of the seven Rasa for Human). Thus, we can

even start grading Human beings as having more Mars or Sun and More Venus or

Moon. People with more Venus and less Moon will be more animal or sex

oriented while the ones with a greater influence of the moon will be

oriented towards enjoying all the seven Rasa (figurative use here) instead

of merely the sexual part. Similarly, a boxer is closer to the animal world

(Mars) while Einstein or other brilliant scientists are closer to the Divine

world (Surya).

 

The higher Chakra are also combinations of influences and do not stand

for single planets independantly. Study Moon-Saturn & Sun-Jupiter relations

for this.

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

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Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:09 PM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva

>

> Pranaams.

>

> > (most primary) of the Veda's in the oral tradition. Brihaspati taught

this

> > to the Maharishi's and now we have them. Hence He is the Vedic Speech

> > personified.

> > However, the act of speaking and the ability to do so depends on the

> > vocal chords resonating certain sound waves. These sound waves need the

> > medium of AIR or Vayu Tatwa (ruled by Saturn). Without the presence of

air,

> > Vac would not exist in this world. Not denying that sound waves cannot

> > travel through other medium as we know that they travel through wires

etc.,

> > the Natural mode is air. However speech is created in the Mooladhara

ruled

> > by Ganesha. Thus Mercury the Lord of the Prithvi Tatwa is the lord

> > of Vak/Speech/Sound. I hope you have followed my earlier mails to

Narasimha

> > on this.

> > Further, the Lord of hearing is Jupiter! Thus although with the

> > blessings of Mercury the student can have a few golden words from his

> > teacher, unless Jupiter blesses, these words will be meaningless,

unheard

> > and unlearnt.

>

> I was deliberating on the above and i remembered the samkhya philosophy

taught by Lord Kapila to His mother, Devahuti. He says that the five

Tattwas appear bu the combination of the subtle sense objects (called

Tanmatras) and the senses (called Indriyas) So He explains the following

relations:

>

> sound - hearing - Akasha

> form - touch - Vayu

> color - sight - Tejas

> taste - tongue - Jala

> smell - nose - Prithivi

>

> As we have five Jnanendriyas (knowledge-acquiring senses) we also have

five Karmendriyas (active senses). These are Speech, Hands, Legs,

Reproductive organs and Organs of Evacuation.

> As I have understood so far, Speech was related to Akasha, Hands ot Vayu,

Feet to tejas, Reproductive organs to Jala and Rectum to Prithivi. Of course

earth would represent all the five tanmatras, so sound is there in Prithivi

as well as in Vayu, but first it appears in Akasha. And this sound is the

original sound, the Pranava Omkara, which does not need any material

elements to spread or exist, as Omkara is the source of everything, and the

impersonla representation of Bhagava Sri Krishna. So if we link the planets

and the lower chakras to these elements, then we get the following:

>

> Akasha - Visuddha - Jupiter

> Vayu - Anahata - Saturn

> Agni - Manipura - Mars

> Jala - Svadhisthana - Venus

> Prithivi - Mooladhara - Mercury

>

> Is this correct? I have put this question to You previously, but it looks

like You waited for me to answer it myself. If we get upper, then we have

the Sun and Moon left, so I would assign Moon to the Ajna, and Sun to the

Sahasrara. Although in a previous letter You have assigned Jupiter as the

ruler of Sahasrara Chakra.

>

> Please explain these things to me more clearly!

>

> Your shishya,

>

> Gauranga das

>

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Ohm Ganapathayae namaha

Pranam Sanjayji,

You wrote:

JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Vijay,

In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect

of Jupiter also on

the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury

aspects the ninth as well).

Even Saturn (from Pisces) is aspecting it. Does this indicate following

a guru who diverted

from the devine and traditional path? How ever, Sani is in Pisces and

is aspected by Guru.

By devine grace, I may be brought back to the right path by sadgurus

like you and Narasimha.

Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative

term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second.

The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists)

is

to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn.

Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays

between 6

AM to 9 AM.

When I posed question regarding Sani influencing 2nd house, I asked it

generally. My second is not

influenced by Sani. How ever, I think you were having my Rasi chart

(where Rahu is in second house) when

you wrote. What are the posssible maladies?

I will how ever abide by your advice by observing mauna vrata

on Saturdays to best of my ability. I could not understand what is

hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn"

Can you please elaborate.

your sishya,

Vijay.

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Dear Gauranga,

That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to Mercury in

the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person becomes of

loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the person

has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also gives a

good character.

Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability to learn

by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not rule the

pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had stopped, the

next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to salvation and

their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you including the

quotes from the Gita etc?

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

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Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> Dear Yasomati,

>

> Namaste.

>

> I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to speculate

(I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and realization

(vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that speculation is

caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The same

Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru (9th house)

always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because Mercury may

get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong relationship with

Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with Saturn,

this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect knowledge.

Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and Sraddha,

whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless (asraddha).

>

> I hole this adds to the picture.

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga das

>

>

>

> ----------

> > Dear Narasimha Prabhu,

> > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath!

> >

> > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original

proponent

> > of the Samkhya philosophy:

> >

> > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30

> >

> > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad

> > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati

> > dravya sphurana vijnaanam

> > indriyaanaam anugraham

> >

> > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso

> > niSchaya smritir eva cha

> > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir

> > lakshanam vrittitah prithak

> >

> >

> > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes

birth, O

> > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in ascertaining

the

> > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. "

> >

> > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as

determined

> > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct

characteristics of

> > intelligence. "

> >

> > ----

> > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical

experience

> > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical

science,

> > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and similar

staff

> > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one

paradigm. It

> > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at all -

it is

> > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana

charvananam

> > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own. It

is

> > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but which is

> > ultimately inconclusive.

> >

> > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna

> > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam

> > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam

> > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah

> >

> > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does

not

> > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying

the

> > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which

> > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious

principles

> > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person.

Consequently,

> > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the

> > mahajanas advocate.?

> >

> > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117).

> >

> >

> > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The former

means

> > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern

understanding

> > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within the

given

> > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger (am

not

> > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you can

drive

> > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically understand

what

> > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other

things - is

> > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent

scientists

> > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You need

> > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth.

> >

> > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very big

> > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can what

it

> > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class will

be just

> > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to meditate

> > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying to

see

> > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi tan

no

> > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets

revealed. And

> > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it

(Mercury) -

> > it comes out automatically.

> >

> > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are

never

> > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence. They

are on

> > different platphorms altogether.

> >

> > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if you

are

> > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is

Lord

> > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of reasoning

and

> > communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent via

media

> > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion of

> > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited and

the

> > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now.

> >

> > Hope I was not too heavy,

> >

> > Respecfully,

> > with a smile, :-)

> >

> > Yasomatinandana das

> >

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Dear Gauranga,

I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta, Sankhya,

Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these?

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

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Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:08 PM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> I'm not sure in what five forms of knowledge do you mean. Could You give a

hint and then maybe I will able to execute the task. I was thinkink of the

five tattwas explained in the Gita and the Vedanta Sutra. These are Isvara,

Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma. There are also Karma, Jnana, Dhyana and

Bhakri Yogas expalined, but these are only four. So could You specify what

five forms of knowledge did you mean?

>

> You shishya,

>

> Gauranga das

>

> ----------

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Gauranga,

> > That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to Mercury

in

> > the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person becomes

of

> > loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the

person

> > has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also

gives a

> > good character.

> > Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability to

learn

> > by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not rule

the

> > pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had stopped,

the

> > next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to salvation

and

> > their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you including

the

> > quotes from the Gita etc?

> > Hare Krishna

> > Sanjay Rath

> > -

> > Gauranga Das <gauranga

> > Varahamihira <varahamihira >

> > Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM

> > Re: Mercury and Jupiter

> >

> >

> > > Dear Yasomati,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to speculate

> > (I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and

realization

> > (vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that

speculation is

> > caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The same

> > Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru (9th

house)

> > always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because Mercury

may

> > get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong relationship

with

> > Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with

Saturn,

> > this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect knowledge.

> > Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and Sraddha,

> > whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless (asraddha).

> > >

> > > I hole this adds to the picture.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > >

> > > Gauranga das

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------

> > > > Dear Narasimha Prabhu,

> > > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath!

> > > >

> > > > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the original

> > proponent

> > > > of the Samkhya philosophy:

> > > >

> > > > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30

> > > >

> > > > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad

> > > > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati

> > > > dravya sphurana vijnaanam

> > > > indriyaanaam anugraham

> > > >

> > > > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso

> > > > niSchaya smritir eva cha

> > > > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir

> > > > lakshanam vrittitah prithak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence takes

> > birth, O

> > > > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in

ascertaining

> > the

> > > > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the senses. "

> > > >

> > > > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep, as

> > determined

> > > > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct

> > characteristics of

> > > > intelligence. "

> > > >

> > > > ----

> > > > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good practical

> > experience

> > > > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical

> > science,

> > > > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and

similar

> > staff

> > > > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within one

> > paradigm. It

> > > > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at

all -

> > it is

> > > > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar charvana

> > charvananam

> > > > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's own.

It

> > is

> > > > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but

which is

> > > > ultimately inconclusive.

> > > >

> > > > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna

> > > > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam

> > > > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam

> > > > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah

> > > >

> > > > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion

does

> > not

> > > > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by

studying

> > the

> > > > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by

which

> > > > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious

> > principles

> > > > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person.

> > Consequently,

> > > > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path

the

> > > > mahajanas advocate.?

> > > >

> > > > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning. The

former

> > means

> > > > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern

> > understanding

> > > > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic within

the

> > given

> > > > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a Shroedinger

(am

> > not

> > > > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning you

can

> > drive

> > > > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically

understand

> > what

> > > > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and other

> > things - is

> > > > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called intelligent

> > scientists

> > > > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning. You

need

> > > > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth.

> > > >

> > > > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a very

big

> > > > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you can

what

> > it

> > > > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the class

will

> > be just

> > > > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to

meditate

> > > > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru), praying

to

> > see

> > > > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya dhimahi

tan

> > no

> > > > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets

> > revealed. And

> > > > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit it

> > (Mercury) -

> > > > it comes out automatically.

> > > >

> > > > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations are

> > never

> > > > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to intelligence.

They

> > are on

> > > > different platphorms altogether.

> > > >

> > > > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So if

you

> > are

> > > > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge which is

> > Lord

> > > > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of

reasoning

> > and

> > > > communication in Their service, then you can become a transparent

via

> > media

> > > > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up funcion

of

> > > > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is limited

and

> > the

> > > > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now.

> > > >

> > > > Hope I was not too heavy,

> > > >

> > > > Respecfully,

> > > > with a smile, :-)

> > > >

> > > > Yasomatinandana das

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JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vijay,

You Wrote "I could not understand what is hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn".

This is the Kala-Chakra. Saturn is in the NW & Mars in SE. Understand the kala-Chakra and the Astadala padma which is the foundation of Hinduism and Jyotish.

 

Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath

 

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Re: Mercury and Jupiter

Ohm Ganapathayae namaha Pranam Sanjayji, You wrote: JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Vijay, In another mail on your D-24, I missed that aspect of Jupiter also on the ninth house in D-24. So, it does show me as well as Narasimha (Mercury aspects the ninth as well).Even Saturn (from Pisces) is aspecting it. Does this indicate following a guru who diverted from the devine and traditional path? How ever, Sani is in Pisces and is aspected by Guru. By devine grace, I may be brought back to the right path by sadgurus like you and Narasimha. Mitha Bhaasi is a very relative term. B V Raman had Rahu in the second. The best way to get over this possible malady (I don't think it exists) is to use the knowledge of the Kalachakra. Mars naturally opposes Saturn. Hence, keep MAUNA VRATA (perfect silence for 3 hours) on saturdays between 6 AM to 9 AM.When I posed question regarding Sani influencing 2nd house, I asked it generally. My second is not influenced by Sani. How ever, I think you were having my Rasi chart (where Rahu is in second house) when you wrote. What are the posssible maladies? I will how ever abide by your advice by observing mauna vrata on Saturdays to best of my ability. I could not understand what is hidden in "Mars naturally opposes Saturn" Can you please elaborate. your sishya, Vijay.

 

 

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Pranaam Sanjaya,

 

> I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta,

Sankhya,

> Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these?

> Hare Krishna

 

This is what my intuition tells me:

 

---------------

Poorva Meemaamsaa (Jaimini) - Mercury

 

- This philosophy puts too much weight in karma/action

and argues that good action gives good results. It puts

" duty " on a higher pedestal than " bhakti " . It recognizes

fruitive activities as the reason for the existence of

this universe. [One-word summary: speculation]

 

Uttara Meemaamsaa/Vedanta (Badarayana) - Jupiter

 

- Recognizes personal Brahman who transcends the

material nature of this universe. [One-word summary:

realization]

---------------

Nyaaya (Goutama) - Mars

 

- The philosophy of logical and rational thinking. It

recognizes atom as the reason for the existence of

this universe. [One-word summary: logic]

 

Vaiseshika (Kanada) - Moon (or Venus?)

 

- Recognizes *impersonal* Brahman as the reason for the

existence of this universe. [One-word summary: maya]

---------------

Saankhya (Kapila) - Venus (or Moon?)

 

- Somewhat atheistic philosophy. Says that the material

nature of this universe is its cause of existence. It

analyzes various bhootas, tanmantras etc primordial

sources of this universe. This is a materialistically

oriented philosophy. [One-word summary: materialism]

 

Yoga (Patanjali) - Saturn

 

- Recognizes a Godhead that can be realized with

discipline. [One-word summary: discipline]

---------------

 

Each of these philosophies may have sub-fields which are

ruled by various planets.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Narasimha,

Shows perfect understanding. You got it right.

FINAL LIST:-

Mimamsa (Both)-Mercury

Nyaya-Mars

Vaiseshika-Venus

Saankhya-Moon

Vedanta-Jupiter

Yoga-Saturn

 

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

 

-

<pvr

<varahamihira >

Saturday, October 02, 1999 5:05 AM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> Pranaam Sanjaya,

>

> > I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta,

> Sankhya,

> > Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these?

> > Hare Krishna

>

> This is what my intuition tells me:

>

> ---------------

> Poorva Meemaamsaa (Jaimini) - Mercury

>

> - This philosophy puts too much weight in karma/action

> and argues that good action gives good results. It puts

> " duty " on a higher pedestal than " bhakti " . It recognizes

> fruitive activities as the reason for the existence of

> this universe. [One-word summary: speculation]

>

> Uttara Meemaamsaa/Vedanta (Badarayana) - Jupiter

>

> - Recognizes personal Brahman who transcends the

> material nature of this universe. [One-word summary:

> realization]

> ---------------

> Nyaaya (Goutama) - Mars

>

> - The philosophy of logical and rational thinking. It

> recognizes atom as the reason for the existence of

> this universe. [One-word summary: logic]

>

> Vaiseshika (Kanada) - Moon (or Venus?)

>

> - Recognizes *impersonal* Brahman as the reason for the

> existence of this universe. [One-word summary: maya]

> ---------------

> Saankhya (Kapila) - Venus (or Moon?)

>

> - Somewhat atheistic philosophy. Says that the material

> nature of this universe is its cause of existence. It

> analyzes various bhootas, tanmantras etc primordial

> sources of this universe. This is a materialistically

> oriented philosophy. [One-word summary: materialism]

>

> Yoga (Patanjali) - Saturn

>

> - Recognizes a Godhead that can be realized with

> discipline. [One-word summary: discipline]

> ---------------

>

> Each of these philosophies may have sub-fields which are

> ruled by various planets.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

> ------

> OM TAT SAT

> Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

>

>

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Dear Gauranga,

One-Vedanta for Jupiter.

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

Gauranga Das <gauranga

Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:11 AM

Re: Mercury and Jupiter

 

 

> ----------

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Gauranga,

> > I think I said six forms..Mimamsa, Nyaya, Vaisesika, Vedanta,

Sankhya,

> > Yoga. Which of the six from the Moon to saturn rules these?

> > Hare Krishna

> > Sanjay Rath

>

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> Pranaams.

>

> Let's see. I'm just trying to guess.

>

> Vedanta - Jupiter

> Yoga - Moon

> Nyaya - Mercury

> Vaisesika - Saturn

> Samkhya - Mars

> Mimamsa - Venus

>

> How many are correct?

>

>

> Your shishya,

>

> Gauranga das

>

>

>

>

>

> > -

> > Gauranga Das <gauranga

> > Varahamihira <varahamihira >

> > Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:08 PM

> > Re: Mercury and Jupiter

> >

> >

> > > JAYA JAGANNATHA!

> > >

> > > Dear Gurudeva,

> > >

> > > I'm not sure in what five forms of knowledge do you mean. Could You

give a

> > hint and then maybe I will able to execute the task. I was thinkink of

the

> > five tattwas explained in the Gita and the Vedanta Sutra. These are

Isvara,

> > Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma. There are also Karma, Jnana, Dhyana and

> > Bhakri Yogas expalined, but these are only four. So could You specify

what

> > five forms of knowledge did you mean?

> > >

> > > You shishya,

> > >

> > > Gauranga das

> > >

> > > ----------

> > > > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > > > Dear Gauranga,

> > > > That bit on influences on Mercury..If Moon is in trines to

Mercury

> > in

> > > > the Navamsa, and Jupiter is weak in placement, then the person

becomes

> > of

> > > > loose character while if Jupiter is in trines to Mercury, then the

> > person

> > > > has an excellent character. Jupiter in trines to navamsa lagna also

> > gives a

> > > > good character.

> > > > Does this show intelligent working or does it show the ability

to

> > learn

> > > > by copying others? If the latter is correct, then Mercury does not

rule

> > the

> > > > pure intelligence. Coming to DHI Shakti again and where I had

stopped,

> > the

> > > > next step was to list the five forms of knowledge that lead to

salvation

> > and

> > > > their planets. Can we have another brilliant piece from you

including

> > the

> > > > quotes from the Gita etc?

> > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > -

> > > > Gauranga Das <gauranga

> > > > Varahamihira <varahamihira >

> > > > Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:52 AM

> > > > Re: Mercury and Jupiter

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Yasomati,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have also found mercury to give logic and the tendency to

speculate

> > > > (I've got Moon in Gemini) and Jupiter more to give wisdom and

> > realization

> > > > (vijnaana). If we want to be more accurate, we could say that

> > speculation is

> > > > caused by Saturn and Mercury together (or in some relationship. The

same

> > > > Moon is aspected in my chart by Saturn from the 9th. But my Guru

(9th

> > house)

> > > > always stops me if I've gone too far in speculation. So because

Mercury

> > may

> > > > get influenced easily by other planets, if it's in strong

relationship

> > with

> > > > Jupiter, then they would give real jnana and vijnana, but if with

> > Saturn,

> > > > this would be more ajnana or avidya, speculative, imperfect

knowledge.

> > > > Because Guru holds within Himself the priciples of Sattwa and

Sraddha,

> > > > whereas Saturn is more Tamasik and doubtful, or faithless

(asraddha).

> > > > >

> > > > > I hole this adds to the picture.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours,

> > > > >

> > > > > Gauranga das

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha Prabhu,

> > > > > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is a quote from Lord Kapiladeva (Devahutya Kapila) the

original

> > > > proponent

> > > > > > of the Samkhya philosophy:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.26.29-30

> > > > > >

> > > > > > taijasaad tu vikurvaanaad

> > > > > > buddhi-tattvam abhuut sati

> > > > > > dravya sphurana vijnaanam

> > > > > > indriyaanaam anugraham

> > > > > >

> > > > > > samSayo 'tha viparyaaso

> > > > > > niSchaya smritir eva cha

> > > > > > svaapa ityuchyate buddhir

>

> > > > > > lakshanam vrittitah prithak

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " By transformation of the false ego in passion, intelligence

takes

> > > > birth, O

> > > > > > virtuous lady. The functions of intelligence are to help in

> > ascertaining

> > > > the

> > > > > > nature of objects when they come into view, and to help the

senses. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Doubt, misapprehension, correct apprehension, memory and sleep,

as

> > > > determined

> > > > > > by their different functions, are said to be the distinct

>

>

> > > > characteristics of

> > > > > > intelligence. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > I have Mecury all around in my chart and thus have a good

practical

> > > > experience

> > > > > > of what it is as I have been engaged in the areas of theoretical

> > > > science,

> > > > > > systems analisys, computers, communications, pshychotherapy and

> > similar

> > > > staff

> > > > > > all my life. Mercury shuffles the same things around - within

one

> > > > paradigm. It

> > > > > > does not give much revelations. It does not generate anything at

> > all -

> > > > it is

> > > > > > just manipulating whatever is already there. Punah punar

charvana

> > > > charvananam

> > > > > > - just chewing the chewed. Mercury is a strerile planet on it's

own.

> > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > excellent for communication, for world jugglery, logic also but

> > which is

> > > > > > ultimately inconclusive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tarko 'pratisthan srutayo vibhinna

> > > > > > naasav rishir yasya matam na bhinnam

> > > > > > dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam

> > > > > > mahajana yena gatah sa panthah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ?Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose

opinion

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by

> > studying

> > > > the

> > > > > > Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path

by

> > which

> > > > > > religious principles are understood. The solid truth of

religious

> > > > principles

> > > > > > is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person.

> > > > Consequently,

> > > > > > as the shastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive

path

> > the

> > > > > > mahajanas advocate.?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mahabharata, Vana-parva (313.117).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a big difference between intelligence and reasoning.

The

> > former

> > > > means

> > > > > > specifically the faculty of discrimination. It is not a mordern

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > of intelligence or intellect which is simply logic - logic

within

> > the

> > > > given

> > > > > > axiomatic frame. Like in quantum mechanics. There is a

Shroedinger

> > (am

> > > > not

> > > > > > sure for English spelling) equation given and by using reasoning

you

> > can

> > > > drive

> > > > > > all sorts of conclusions from there. But to philosophically

> > understand

> > > > what

> > > > > > they mean - the uncertainity principle, and observables, and

other

> > > > things - is

> > > > > > a totally different thing. This is where the so-called

intelligent

> > > > scientists

> > > > > > broke. Because you won't do here mere with logic or reasoning.

You

> > need

> > > > > > intelligence which is based on knowlege of the Absolute Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I give classes on Shastras at the Temple I know there is a

very

> > big

> > > > > > difference between the Vach and Dhi shaktis. With the first you

can

> > what

> > > > it

> > > > > > called shine with intellect but you will fill empty and the

class

> > will

> > > > be just

> > > > > > superficial. In order to say something substantial I need to

> > meditate

> > > > > > (dhimahi) on the lotus feet of my Spiritual Master (Guru),

praying

> > to

> > > > see

> > > > > > things with his eyes (aim gurudevaya vidmahe krishnanandaya

dhimahi

> > tan

> > > > no

> > > > > > guroh prachodayat). Then by Krishna's grace some knowledge gets

> > > > revealed. And

> > > > > > at that time I don't need to really warry about how to transmit

it

> > > > (Mercury) -

> > > > > > it comes out automatically.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So the shastras are completely conclusive about it: speculations

are

> > > > never

> > > > > > equal to knowledge, and reasoning is never equal to

intelligence.

> > They

> > > > are on

> > > > > > different platphorms altogether.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course Mercury is an excellent planet for communications. So

if

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > fortunate enough to connect to the true source of knowledge

which is

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > Narayan or His bona-fide representative and use the faculty of

> > reasoning

> > > > and

> > > > > > communication in Their service, then you can become a

transparent

> > via

> > > > media

> > > > > > for the flow of that knowledge and thus Mercury will take up

funcion

> > of

> > > > > > Jupiter. There is much more to say about it but the time is

limited

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > subject is unlimited. So I will stop for now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope I was not too heavy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respecfully,

> > > > > > with a smile, :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yasomatinandana das

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> ------

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> ------

> > > > >

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> > > > > - Simplifying group communications

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ------

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> ------

> > > OM TAT SAT

> > > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------

> > OM TAT SAT

> > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------

> OM TAT SAT

> Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu

>

>

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