Guest guest Posted September 5, 1999 Report Share Posted September 5, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Sarat/Manpreet/Shiv, Please attempt the answer to this. Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Sanjay Rath <varahamihira Friday, September 03, 1999 2:12 AM Re: YOUR QUESTIONS JAYA JAGANNATHA! Daer Sanjay Rath Prabhu, Namaskar. > S.RATH: THE TRANSLATION OR YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT CORRECT. THE LAGNA IS > TO BE SEEN FROM THE NAVAMSA PRASNA LAGNA. WHAT IS TO BE SEEN IS A SEPARATE > ISSUE. THE JANMA LAGNA CAN BE THE 1ST, 5TH, 7TH OR 9TH FROM THE NAVAMSA > LAGNA OF PRASNA OR THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE LORD OF NAVAMSA LAGNA IN > NAVAMSA ITSELF. > THESE ARE THE SIGNS OF JUPITERS INFLUENCE (1,5,7,9 & PAKA LAGNA). So how should I decide in a query chart, whether the person's Janma Lagna would be the 1, 5, 7, or 9. house, or tha Paka Lagna (which would mean the Navamsa occuppied by the lord of the Navamsa Lagna, if I understood correctly). > S.RATH: IT IS THE WISH OF SRI jAGANNATHA. > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > P.S. PLEASE SEE THE NEW SJVS WEBPAGE AT http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath > and send your comments or home-page. Please also send a scanned photograph > and small write up for SJVC records. ALL SJVC MEMBERS PLEASE I don'T have Internet access at the time, I have only e-mail. But as soon as I have one, I will do that. I have d to the mail list. I have a fwe more questions. I hope that You will answer them. 1. I'm not really familiar with using the vargas. Is it important to use all of them, or only the Navamsha? If I have to see all, then what should be seen from which one? (Parasara and Jataka Parijat give different meanings to the divisional charts). 2. What is the principle for using the divisional charts? 3. What is the real role of the Navamsha chart? I somehow came up with the understanding that Rasi would show our external and more determined life, while Navamsha shows our inner potential, and things that could manifest if we make effort towards that. 4. How should we interpret a Navamsha chart correctly? For example. I analyze the 5th house in the rasi chakra. Should I look at the same sing in Navamsa, or the 5th from Navamsha Lagna, or the houses occupied by the lord and occupants of the 5th natal? Or maybe see the natural significator of that house as well? One astrologer told me that in case you have a planet in the 5th for example, you have to see hoiw far it is from the same sign in the navamsha, and judge accordingly. So these are my questions for now. One astrologer doubted that oyu were as familiar with the other brancehes of astrology as with Jaimini. He mentioned Parasara-Varahamihira, Bhrigu, Nadi, and Prasna as well. And others were also interested to know who did you learn from and how did the knowledge of Jyotisha come down in the sucession that you are in. What should I answer them? I belive that it's the arrangement of the Lord that I met you and that You will be able to teach me nicely. I know of many who think themselves to be very advanced in their studies, still I don't trust them so much. I hope that I didn't burden You with my questions. Your servant, Gauranga das > Sanjay Rath > Sri Jagannath Vedic Center > 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091. > Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath > Webpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 1999 Report Share Posted September 7, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Gauranga, I thought I will attempt a reply to some of your fresh questions. Here it is: You wrote: " I have a few more questions. I hope that you will answer them " . Your Qn. 1. I'm not really familiar with using the vargas. Is it important to use all of them, or only the Navamsha? If I have to see all, then what should be seen from which one? (Parasara and Jataka Parijat give different meanings to the divisional charts). Answer: Yes, it is important to use all the vargas for precise analysis and predictions. Vargas are harmonic charts working in sets of 12 in each harmonic level. The harmonic levels being (i) physical or the tantra level - D1 to D12 (ii) conscious level (mental level or mind) D13 to D24 (iii) sub-conscious level (active mind when physical body is asleep) - D25 to D48, and (iv) supra-conscious level (where things of the past birth are remembered and linked to the present birth) - D49 to D60. However, there are even further vargas which were used by the Maharishis like Parasara, Jaimini etc. To reach these levels one needs to have such 'Sadhana' and 'Siddhi' as that of the Maharishis to be able to rise from the present state of birth to see and use these vargas as they are the true reflections of what God has willed for each individual to the nano-seconds of his life. Your Qn. 2. What is the principle for using the divisional charts? Answer: Maharishi Parasara recommends the usage of only the following vargas in the life of a normal person: D1 - Rasi chart - for self D2 - Hora chart - for dhanam (well being) D3 - Dreshkana/Drekkana - for co-borns D7 - Saptamsa - for children D9 - Navamsa/Dharmamsa- for spouse and the extent of values of dharma D10 - Dasamsa/Karmamsa - for honour (karma/action) D12 - Dwadasamsa - for parents (paternal & maternal) and ancestors D16 - Shodasamsa - for comforts and luxuries D20 - Vimsamsa - for devotion D24 - Siddhamsa - for studies/higher studies D27 - Bhamsa - for personal strengths & weaknesses D30 - Trimsamsa - for past evils/bad karma and its effects D40 - Khavedams - for karma inheritance from maternal side D45 - Akshavedams - for karma inheritance from paternal side D60 - Shashtiamsa - for personal life These charts are to be examined (i) individually, and (ii) also in relevance to the natal chart, placement of respective lords in the respective varga charts etc. The readings and rules are many and complex to be explained in a small manner like this. Your Qn. 3. What is the real role of the Navamsha chart? I somehow came up with the understanding that Rasi would show our external and more determined life, while Navamsha shows our inner potential, and things that could manifest if we make effort towards that. Answer: Navamsa is the most vital amsa or varga of the entire scope of vedic astrology. It is truly called the Dharmamsa wherein the true nature, ability, desires and actions of the person are reflected. Your Qn. 4. How should we interpret a Navamsha chart correctly? For example, if I have to analyze the 5th house in the rasi chakra should I look at the same sign in Navamsa, or the 5th from Navamsha Lagna, or the houses occupied by the lord and occupants of the 5th natal? Or maybe see the natural significator of that house as well? One astrologer told me that in case you have a planet in the 5th for example, you have to see how far it is from the same sign in the navamsha,and judge accordingly. Answer: Navamsa is 1/9th division of the natal chart. (1) The placement of each planet in the navamsa with respect to its house in the natal chart (D1/Rasi) is to be studied (2) their (planets) individual placements in the navamsa with respect to the navamsa lagna is to be studied. Besides, there are very many rules, exceptions, riders etc., to be followed in corelating the navamsa with the natal (rasi) chart. These need a detailed expression and learning. Your Qn. 5. One astrologer doubted that you were as familiar with the other branches of astrology as with Jaimini. He mentioned Parasara, Varahamihira, Bhrigu, Nadi, and Prasna as well. And others were also interested to know who did you learn from and how did the knowledge of Jyotisha come down in the succession that you are in. What should I answer them? I belive that it's the arrangement of the Lord that I met you and that you will be able to teach me nicely. I know of many who think themselves to be very advanced in their studies, still I don't trust them so much. Answer: This point drives me nuts. My understanding, as my Guru (Sanjay ji) taught me is that Maharishi Parasara, Maharishi Jaimni, Maharishi Garga, Maharishi Agastya (for Agastya Nadi) etc., were all very great souls who were beyond any comparisons. In any case, what has been followed by Sanjay ji in his own life and what is being taught to us is that Maharishi Jaimni never claimed his work to be unique and different from the work of Maharishi Parasara. In fact, in the Jaimni Sutram, Maharishi Jaimni has only given slokas and has always suggested reference to standard texts (Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra). What Sanjay ji practices and teaches is from the standard texts i.e., Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, which he respects so much, along with the works of other Maharishis and even the modern exponents who have practiced in a very traditional manner without distortions. This shows his broad minded and broad-based approach in life and astrology in particular. To say that he is an exponent of this and not the other, is actually demeaning oneself with cheap values and thoughts. In any case, he belongs to a family hailing from Bira Balabhadrapur sasan of Puri (Orissa) where vedic astrology has not only been a tradition but has been a part of their life. His grandfather, Pt. Jagannath Rath, one of the renowned astrologers of Orissa, was a Royal/Chief astrologer of the King of Puri. None of us have even risen to be good human beings to draw comparisons between the Maharishis and say that Sanjay is the follower/expert on this line and he is not so in the other as the other lines are different. No line/branch in vedic astrology is different. It is only that different people (contemporaries) have adopted different explanations. That is all. To draw comparisons and doubt the ability of the Guru is most disrespectful and absurd. People had even doubted Chaitanya Mahaprabhu for his abilities during his times. Only time will prove the truth. I hope this controversy, or a would be controversy, will end here and even the mere discussions of this nature will stop in a forum of learning, that too divine learning where we are talking of God and Maharishis Let us not drag their names into this. I hope I am not too harsh but I felt it is necessary to have absolute faith in a Guru like in the parents and God. Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " Sanjay Rath " <srath >varahamihira > " SJVC Astrology Class " <varahamihira > > Fw: YOUR QUESTIONS >Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:32:34 +0530 > >JAYA JAGANNATH >Dear Sarat/Manpreet/Shiv, >Please attempt the answer to this. >Rath >- >Gauranga Das <gauranga >Sanjay Rath <varahamihira >Friday, September 03, 1999 2:12 AM >Re: YOUR QUESTIONS > > >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Daer Sanjay Rath Prabhu, >Namaskar. > > > S.RATH: THE TRANSLATION OR YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT CORRECT. THE LAGNA >IS > > TO BE SEEN FROM THE NAVAMSA PRASNA LAGNA. WHAT IS TO BE SEEN IS A >SEPARATE > > ISSUE. THE JANMA LAGNA CAN BE THE 1ST, 5TH, 7TH OR 9TH FROM THE NAVAMSA > > LAGNA OF PRASNA OR THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE LORD OF NAVAMSA LAGNA IN > > NAVAMSA ITSELF. > > THESE ARE THE SIGNS OF JUPITERS INFLUENCE (1,5,7,9 & PAKA LAGNA). > >So how should I decide in a query chart, whether the person's Janma Lagna >would be the 1, 5, 7, or 9. house, or tha Paka Lagna (which would mean the >Navamsa occuppied by the lord of the Navamsa Lagna, if I understood >correctly). > > > S.RATH: IT IS THE WISH OF SRI jAGANNATHA. > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > P.S. PLEASE SEE THE NEW SJVS WEBPAGE AT >http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath > > and send your comments or home-page. Please also send a scanned >photograph > > and small write up for SJVC records. ALL SJVC MEMBERS PLEASE > >I don'T have Internet access at the time, I have only e-mail. But as soon >as >I have one, I will do that. I have d to the mail list. > >I have a fwe more questions. I hope that You will answer them. > >1. I'm not really familiar with using the vargas. Is it important to use >all >of them, or only the Navamsha? If I have to see all, then what should be >seen from which one? (Parasara and Jataka Parijat give different meanings >to >the divisional charts). > >2. What is the principle for using the divisional charts? > >3. What is the real role of the Navamsha chart? I somehow came up with the >understanding that Rasi would show our external and more determined life, >while Navamsha shows our inner potential, and things that could manifest if >we make effort towards that. > >4. How should we interpret a Navamsha chart correctly? >For example. I analyze the 5th house in the rasi chakra. Should I look at >the same sing in Navamsa, or the 5th from Navamsha Lagna, or the houses >occupied by the lord and occupants of the 5th natal? >Or maybe see the natural significator of that house as well? >One astrologer told me that in case you have a planet in the 5th for >example, you have to see hoiw far it is from the same sign in the navamsha, >and judge accordingly. > >So these are my questions for now. > >One astrologer doubted that oyu were as familiar with the other brancehes >of >astrology as with Jaimini. He mentioned Parasara-Varahamihira, Bhrigu, >Nadi, >and Prasna as well. And others were also interested to know who did you >learn from and how did the knowledge of Jyotisha come down in the sucession >that you are in. What should I answer them? I belive that it's the >arrangement of the Lord that I met you and that You will be able to teach >me >nicely. I know of many who think themselves to be very advanced in their >studies, still I don't trust them so much. > >I hope that I didn't burden You with my questions. > >Your servant, Gauranga das > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > Sri Jagannath Vedic Center > > 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091. > > Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath > > Webpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath > > > > > > > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 1999 Report Share Posted September 8, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Gauranga, Namaskar! I hope you didn't take it otherwise about the last point. But I felt it necessary so that the institution of faith in the Guru is not affected. All of us in the group too are happy to have you amidst us to share knowledge. After all knowledge grows more the more it is shared. May Jagannath ji bless us with more such perfect knowledge. Once again, I am sorry if I may have hurt you. Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " Gauranga Das " <gauranga >varahamihira >varahamihira > Re: Fw: YOUR QUESTIONS >Tue, 07 Sep 99 20:51:27 PDT > >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Dear Sarat, > >Namaskar. > >Thank you for your answers. They were very instructive. Especially the last >one. > > > Answer: This point drives me nuts. My understanding, as my Guru >(Sanjay > > ji) taught me is that Maharishi Parasara, Maharishi Jaimni, Maharishi >Garga, > > Maharishi Agastya (for Agastya Nadi) etc., were all very great souls who > > were beyond any comparisons. In any case, what has been followed by >Sanjay > > ji in his own life and what is being taught to us is that Maharishi >Jaimni > > never claimed his work to be unique and different from the work of >Maharishi > > Parasara. In fact, in the Jaimni Sutram, Maharishi Jaimni has only >given > > slokas and has always suggested reference to standard texts (Brihat >Parasara > > Hora Shastra). What Sanjay ji practices and teaches is from the >standard > > texts i.e., Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, which he respects so much, >along > > with the works of other Maharishis and even the modern exponents who >have > > practiced in a very traditional manner without distortions. This shows >his > > broad minded and broad-based approach in life and astrology in >particular. > > To say that he is an exponent of this and not the other, is actually > > demeaning oneself with cheap values and thoughts. In any case, he >belongs > > to a family hailing from Bira Balabhadrapur sasan of Puri (Orissa) where > > vedic astrology has not only been a tradition but has been a part of >their > > life. His grandfather, Pt. Jagannath Rath, one of the renowned >astrologers > > of Orissa, was a Royal/Chief astrologer of the King of Puri. None of us > > have even risen to be good human beings to draw comparisons between the > > Maharishis and say that Sanjay is the follower/expert on this line and >he is > > not so in the other as the other lines are different. No line/branch in > > vedic astrology is different. It is only that different people > > (contemporaries) have adopted different explanations. That is all. To >draw > > comparisons and doubt the ability of the Guru is most disrespectful and > > absurd. People had even doubted Chaitanya Mahaprabhu for his abilities > > during his times. Only time will prove the truth. I hope this >controversy, > > or a would be controversy, will end here and even the mere discussions >of > > this nature will stop in a forum of learning, that too divine learning >where > > we are talking of God and Maharishis Let us not drag their names into >this. > > > > I hope I am not too harsh but I felt it is necessary to have absolute >faith > > in a Guru like in the parents and God. > >I'm embarrassed to say that this same person called Sanjay ji a mayavadi >who likes Jagannath. At the same monment as I read this, Krishna stopped me >from any further contact with that person. All of us are in Krishna's hands >and if we pray to Him sicerely, he will show us the way to Him through our >Gurus. Obeisances to Sanjay once again. I'm happy to be with you all and >learn from you. > >Your servant, Gauranga das > > >------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/805 > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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