Mark K....5/12..... Philosophy of Jyotish....

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Here's an interesting email re. the Philosophy of Jyotish, itself....

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

Originally sent out to Jyotish-remedies, ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To Manish & All:

 

To me, Jyotish, is synonomous with life itself.

 

It's the nature of life, that has meaning in our births.

 

It's the nature of life, that's telling us, when we start our day, and slip

at the bottom of the stairs, that 'that' day is going to be a little bit

like that....

 

It's in the very nature of life, that the very moment of our births,....

is a flash,....representative of our lives.

 

That being said, there's still much to learn.

 

Jyotish or Astrology...are ancient and eternal knowledges....

 

Which at some times and some places, will be more or less perfect and

profound.

 

In my case, having studied Jyotish, now, for over 16 years....

 

when I got through all the books, and started studing the Transits,

then,...baam!.... that's when Jyotish/Astrology came alive, to me!

 

Wow....I thought, Nature lives Astrology....

 

If we all could learn how Jyotish/ or Astrology,...helps us have greater

understanding about the very lives that we're living....then it's purpose is

partly fulfilled...

 

 

When I first started studying Jyotish over 16 years ago, I had an

instinctive, feeling that Jyotish 'worked'...thougth there were two aspects

to it,..that I also felt...we're quite.....perfect....

 

#1, has been the habit of Jyotish being too negative...

 

When I read any of the books that were available back then, they were just

full of the worse kind of negativity, and pessimism....

 

Also, I noticed, that almost every Jyotish I had every heard about had made

some predictions that hadn't turned out to be true...

 

So, I thought,...

 

okay, let's try and look at this thing positively....

 

and made steer away from making predictions...

 

So, I focused on personality analysis, and within a very short time,

realized.... that we all really do fit our charts....

 

Now, the future of Jyotish & Western Astrology, too....

 

needs to become truely scientific....

 

Life is scientific.....

 

It's allow itself, revealed it's secrets to people who care to listen....

 

and Jyotish is completely like this...

 

Take any rule, principle or idea in Jyotish .....and you can find it in real

life...

 

 

Jyotish says the Moon.... represents people's emotions, emotional

stability...

 

Well, that should be easy enough to validate.

 

Take 1,000 people, right out of the phone book, ask them a slew of questions

designed to determine emotional maturity, strength, and EQ!, and then

compare to these people's Jyotish charts....

 

We should be able to find a remarkable correlation .....

 

Take the Sun.

 

It's supposed to represent one's self-confidence...

 

Well, that's easy to study too.

 

Intellect?,...that's Mercury,.... and intellectual capacity, communications

skills, decision makings..... all these too should correspond...

 

Jyotish is Real....and therefore studyable, therefore, scientific.....

 

We all have the great joy and privilege.... to pass on this knowledge...

 

To find it's truths inside of us...

 

And as we do that.... then, turn on others to this great knowledge...

 

I used to be a Philosophy & Education major in college.... and believe me,

 

there's no Philosophy,.... in the entire World, that so clearly captures the

essence of every human beings birth...

 

Our charts, are snap-shots, pictures, of our lives to come...

 

However, don't forget.... we still have freedom....

 

We still can choose, to do this or that....

 

We can go with the 'destiny' our lives started with....

 

or move in other directions....

 

Free will & determinism.....?

 

Two of the greatest Principles....and questions of life, eternal....

 

Freedom is expressed by our Jupiter's.....

 

Determinism...is captured by our Saturn's....

 

Learn your own chart, and all doubts regarding Jyotish will evaporate....

 

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish

newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other

aspects

of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid

 

I, also have a new /message board, called

which is a nice blending of both Western & Eastern

Astrologys. You can

check that out at:

 

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> " manish_p_jain " <manish_p_jain

>

> Wed, 05 May 2004 06:54:58 -0000

>

> Re: Jyotish and jyotishis

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please do not mind my long message. I just want to write down some

> perspectives on Jyotish for reflection. I hope to describe the

> subjects vastness and complexity.

>

> --Jyotish tries to capture the effects of time. At highest level it

> is attuned to the evolution of the creation.

>

> --We know from several texts that all the planets now considered in

> the horoscope were great beings who were granted boons/offices and

> became office bearers.

>

> --As such several luminaries, including constellations and remote

> stars, new stars etc would affect the magnetic fields and influence

> life. However only the nine planets and 12 houses for most of our

> work. As these luminaries are also live beings and ever engaged in

> sadhana, there qualities and properties, inter-relationships keep

> changing.

>

> --There are many systems in vogue bequeathed by various sages. It is

> my humble understanding that these systems cannot be mixed together,

> neither the rishis have penned down everything. Some texts are

> explicit on this matter, esp. areas on longevity and graha dasas

>

> --In BHPS itself 40 dasa systems are mentioned!! BHPS indicates that

> D-150 (Nadi-Amsa) is very important, which means accuracy of charts

> upto 12 mts of accuracy -- any mathematician can calculate now the

> total combinations of 12 planets. Practically it is extremely

> difficult to construct a Nadi-amsa with any reliability.

>

> --Also to be considered are place, family, cultural factors. As we

> know, there are various jyotish traditions all over the world,

> developed in different times and places and helpful to various

> peoples and traditions. In my view, different astrological factors

> have governed the various cultures at various times, so it could be

> that eastern astrology may not apply to people from other cultures.

> E.g. some metaphysical texts assign various planetary rulers to

> various races like, White - Venus, Yellow- Mars, Brown - Mercury,

> Black - Jupiter. Yet due to the mixing of various cultures today, it

> is difficult to identify which system is applicable to whom. In my

> view it is presumptious to suppose that one system will fit all.

>

> --My own view is that it takes intuition to learn jyotish. Intuition

> can only be developed under discipleship. Most people have varied

> degrees of intuition, usually it gets mixed up by the desires and

> passions and is not understood. The intuition has to be developed to

> become steady, only then it is reliable.

>

> I am unable to describe all what I think about this subject. Suffice

> it to say that we have to proceed with extreme caution in our

> studies, step-by-step and try to verify whatever we understand. Maybe

> some of the more learned members can throw light with brevity and

> precision. Please pardon my poor articulation, but I hope to bring

> some important matters on the table for discussion

>

> -Manish P. Jain

>

> , " Manas Kumar "

> <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

>> Just happened to read a message by KN Rao a revered teacher, writer

>> and acclaimed jyotishi, on a jyotish weblist. His writings indicate

>> that most jyotishis are either sadly mistaken or at the worst,

>> simply crooks and vultures (not his word, but meaning) and must be

>> regulated and so on. He is careful never to name anyone, but his

>> reference to 'kavachs' and " schools " leaves little to imagination.

>>

>> How do individuals feel on this list? Have you experienced,

>> personally or through a jyotishi any evidence that indicates that

>> jyotish can be accurate, consistently?

>>

>> Be very careful, because many of these jyotishis who take charts to

>> bed and then do japam and meditation on the chart as " a picture

>> emerges, slowly and reveals its contents ... " may be actually

>> invoking something that is neither jyotish based nor logic-

> dependent.

>>

>> The odd jyotishi may be an accurate prognosticator and some can

> even

>> justify their predictions using some astrological rules, but I

>> cannot forget what I heard one of my teachers say: If astrology is

>> all techniques then it must be transferable to a large extent

>> without a lot of spiritual mumbo-jumbo or even considerations.

> After

>> all there are more mechanics that have comparable and good level of

>> skills than astrologers. How can two 'technical/scientific' and

> thus

>> transferable skill have such different track records, in modern

>> world? <end of quote>

>

>

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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