Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also seems to indicate such a thought process........ I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not stoop to such low levels " . Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice gesture you have shown me! This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > > Namaste, > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > God bless you, > > litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: Dear Group, > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to other > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > mails from my or ur's computer. > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his people, > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can enter > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can send > it to group. > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they will > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > real ? > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to become > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 yr, > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who is > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year old > man ? > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all 7719 > members of the group. > > Shame !!! > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said i m > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP address.....You > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I have > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were also > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > locked > > office room. > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people capable > of > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from his > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > knows > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer when > he > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it is > > nothing new. > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes you > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > many > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened you > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I have > > not even cursed you. > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what I > am > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as he > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. You > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software engineer > who > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in detail > and > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > mail > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different persons). > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing that > (he > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other connection > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not true. > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are all!) > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? Why > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to maintain > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will tell > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge in > > empty antics like that! > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said THE > > TRUTH. > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has good > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > convincing. > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in english > as > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > mental > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, discusses > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > power, > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse u, > > will > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > position > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > participated > > in > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his designation > is > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age for a > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He can't > be > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > other's > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with Pt. > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his mails, > > But, > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > between > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain other > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want to > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely have > I > > > come > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > present > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do get > > > tensed > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > agent. > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > intentions > > > in > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to sing > his > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge needs > > no > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been obvious > > to > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > aware, > > he > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; when > > > asked, > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he felt > it > > is > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > same > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > quite > > > if > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > that > > I > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > unsavoury > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my invitation > > that > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > only > > > for > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > private > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > introduced > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > that > > he > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > members > > > will > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions in > my > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. He > > is > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > limits; > > > and > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > which > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt to > > > retain > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > fact, > > > he > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > him. > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > again > > > and > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT SEEN > ME > > > EVEN > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Hare ramakrishna. respected karunakaramji. If some body imparted any knowledge to u they got the status of gurus ,i dont know anything of what u say .But if u benefited from some one pls dont hurt him Also i use this oportunity to thank mr.rafalji when i had problem for my son- studies only --i asked him to see the chart and he personaly giv him remedies, if i do it he may not accept it as his rahu dasa of confusions and his hyperactive intelligence will not take it .Now he is doing best . All the best to u regrds sunil nair . Om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > munisevitham@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Respected DakshinamoortiJi, Please accept the most humble request. Please do not leave all of us. Good knowledgeable people like you create pride for any place or forum like this. You have been contributing with your abilities and grace of god and a lot of members have benefitted from you. So, please continue to bless your presence here. Falsehood have no feet. Truth will automatically emerge. Please continue here and do not leave this group. Kind Regards, Harcharan vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 dear pandit dakshinamoorthiji there is a saying that people throw stones ONLY at a tree that is bearing so many fruits. out of my brotherly fraternal love, i earnestly request you to treat ALL your critics like those who are seeking more and more fruits (knowledge sharing mails) from you and keep obliging them in future as well, as you have been doing all along. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Dear Shri.Dakshinamoorthyji, To make us believe others pain when some one is hurt orally / physically, my Commerce professor used to quote “when a physical stone falls on a physical body, that body alone realize the abstract pain which others may not unaware”. It is also true in my case, which you may agree with the following; during a course of our Astrological discussions, he intruded as an uninvited guest and abused me. The pain and mental agony I under went on 21st April 2006[ref.message 93986] may be an enjoyable jock to others. Your sisya / sirushiti abused me with most derogatory obnoxious words:”egoistic pig” which you may plead your innocence now; where were you gone then? Why you have failed to prevail on him then? The above are the doubts lingering in my heart to believe the allegations framed against you by Mr.Lalitji. I am also now given to understand from your posts that he has placed you in tight corners, by hawking away your e-mail “pass word”; you should have taken corrective steps with all your experiences you had with him and kept under strict security vigil your pass word and ID. He had already tom-tamed that he is a retired Military Major [in his ‘Guruvaiyurappan thulaabaaram makuthvam’ narration episode, whether he is a culprit or otherwise, a time may come to verify his antecedents by the “STATE / CENTARAL “AUTHORITIES when he commits serious crime / fraud with your “pass word”. “alpha saakuvaasa praanasankatam” Please kindly lodge a criminal police compliant on him or else he may even hijack your changed e-mail “pass word” and misuse it which may even invite to institute a criminal conspiracy case against you by the “STATE” or else be ready for ‘test of fire’as mother SeethaDevi under went to establish HER innocence. I HAVE NO ANY PERSONAL VENDATA AGAINST YOU. dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also seems to indicate such a thought process........ I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not stoop to such low levels " . Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice gesture you have shown me! This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > > Namaste, > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > God bless you, > > litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: Dear Group, > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to other > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > mails from my or ur's computer. > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his people, > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can enter > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can send > it to group. > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they will > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > real ? > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to become > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 yr, > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who is > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year old > man ? > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all 7719 > members of the group. > > Shame !!! > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said i m > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP address.....You > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I have > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were also > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > locked > > office room. > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people capable > of > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from his > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > knows > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer when > he > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it is > > nothing new. > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes you > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > many > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened you > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I have > > not even cursed you. > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what I > am > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as he > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. You > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software engineer > who > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in detail > and > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > mail > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different persons). > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing that > (he > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other connection > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not true. > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are all!) > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? Why > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to maintain > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will tell > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge in > > empty antics like that! > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said THE > > TRUTH. > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has good > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > convincing. > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in english > as > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > mental > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, discusses > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > power, > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse u, > > will > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > position > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > participated > > in > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his designation > is > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age for a > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He can't > be > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > other's > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with Pt. > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his mails, > > But, > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > between > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain other > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want to > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely have > I > > > come > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > present > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do get > > > tensed > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > agent. > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > intentions > > > in > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to sing > his > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge needs > > no > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been obvious > > to > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > aware, > > he > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; when > > > asked, > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he felt > it > > is > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > same > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > quite > > > if > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > that > > I > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > unsavoury > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my invitation > > that > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > only > > > for > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > private > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > introduced > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > that > > he > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > members > > > will > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions in > my > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. He > > is > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > limits; > > > and > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > which > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt to > > > retain > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > fact, > > > he > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > him. > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > again > > > and > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT SEEN > ME > > > EVEN > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Namaste, Dear Pt.Ariunji, I regret to note your passing away comments.Please go through the message 93986 of 21.04.2006,if you have true heart to may realize my then pain. panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear pandit dakshinamoorthiji there is a saying that people throw stones ONLY at a tree that is bearing so many fruits. out of my brotherly fraternal love, i earnestly request you to treat ALL your critics like those who are seeking more and more fruits (knowledge sharing mails) from you and keep obliging them in future as well, as you have been doing all along. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Dear Shri. karunaakaram Raaghavam: Your current mail also reiterates " sishya/sruthti " which implies I have created a fake id. Your being hurt is no excuse for supporting dangerous allegations against the very honour and dignity of a person like me. To tell you one thing honestly, your sarcastic style of writing was not in good taste even in my opinion. You have probably forgotten the messages I have posted in the group requesting Mohanraaamji to excercise restraint. Another clarification.....Mohanraaamji has not hijacked my password......With the help of some members here, I could track his IP address to my own computer in an attempt to locate him......This is what I meant, but in my agony and upset I would have used the word email id. The incident I said refers to his suggestions which I followed in certain matters. But adverse results do not necessariy implicate bad intentions; I firmly believe that he gave the suggestion based on a higher understanding of karmic principles, and my suffering in that matter was my karma and he was an " agent " in that. He is not a terrorist or a criminal as you portray him to be. Such people do not get the sort of miraculous powers as Mohanraaamji has for which I can stand testimony but cannot obviously give proof. these things are to be experienced! I honestly feel that Mohanraaamji might have been abrasive in his words many times, but it was mostly when people taunted him sarcastically or made dishonourable references to me, which in my opinion any deeply attached sishya or admirer will do. I have often being writing to him in personal mails to desist from foul mouthing others. He may be an angry man.......But definitely he cannot be a criminal. I do not think he can tell lies....that is my perception. He is not a direct sishya for me.......I have not even seen him in person. He calls me Guruji out of respect and admiration. That is all...Regarding his designation and other factors, I am myself not aware of all those facts; only thing I know is of the Tulabharam incident which he has written to me also when I offered Tulaabhaaram for the benefit of my own nephew. Your anger has clouded your vision. Whatever it is, in spite of saying that you felt hurt that I did not stop Mohanraaamji from attacking you, your honour did not prevent you from seeking my help just one week back! You have clearly written " Mr. Lalith has tore the mask and exposed the truth " ......in which the reference is clearly that I have been at fault......Try to understand one thing, dharma upadesha should be got only from someone whom you believe is highly ethical. If you have been all along suspecting that I am not of a straight type, you should have refrained from getting my suggestions on dharmic matters. This hypocrisy is typical of these times......you believe in exploiting a person's knowledge but steadfastly refuse to accord respect due to a dharmic Guru. Dharmic knowledge of a subtle variety is obtained only by a life lived according to ethics; once a person slips up in ethics, he is no more qualified to preach dharma for others! Please understand that. That is one reason I am so touchy about this matter. Even your current mail is sceptical. I have nothing more to add and nothing from my side to " prove " my innocence. To be very honest, I have got so many mails during your exchange with Mohanraaamji alleging your " highhandedness " and " sarcastic mails " which prompted many members to quit this group. I never said one word about it in the group. I was a neutral observer in that exchange between yourself and Mohanraaamji. But, in this case, you have actively taken my opposite side joining hands with the person who has alleged something serious against me. Please try to understand the difference. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > Dear Shri.Dakshinamoorthyji, > > To make us believe others pain when some one is hurt orally / physically, my Commerce professor used to quote " when a physical stone falls on a physical body, that body alone realize the abstract pain which others may not unaware " . > It is also true in my case, which you may agree with the following; during a course of our Astrological discussions, he intruded as an uninvited guest and abused me. The pain and mental agony I under went on 21st April 2006[ref.message 93986] may be an enjoyable jock to others. Your sisya / sirushiti abused me with most derogatory obnoxious words: " egoistic pig " which you may plead your innocence now; where were you gone then? Why you have failed to prevail on him then? > The above are the doubts lingering in my heart to believe the allegations framed against you by Mr.Lalitji. > I am also now given to understand from your posts that he has placed you in tight corners, by hawking away your e-mail " pass word " ; you should have taken corrective steps with all your experiences you had with him and kept under strict security vigil your pass word and ID. He had already tom-tamed that he is a retired Military Major [in his `Guruvaiyurappan thulaabaaram makuthvam' narration episode, whether he is a culprit or otherwise, a time may come to verify his antecedents by the " STATE / CENTARAL " AUTHORITIES when he commits serious crime / fraud with your " pass word " . > " alpha saakuvaasa praanasankatam " > Please kindly lodge a criminal police compliant on him or else he may even hijack your changed e-mail " pass word " and misuse it which may even invite to institute a criminal conspiracy case against you by the " STATE " or else be ready for `test of fire'as mother SeethaDevi under went to establish HER innocence. > > I HAVE NO ANY PERSONAL VENDATA AGAINST YOU. > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 dear friend karunaakaram raaghavamji the mail i sent to pandit dakshinamoorthiji was based on several mails against him by others and it was unfortunate that i replied from your mail as yours was the last in the thread at the time of my replying and you construed it as if i was finding only your mail as a critic against panditji. as regards your mentioned mail of last year, i read that and found it to be from shri mohanraamji and not panditji. here i agree with you and in fact myself advised shri mohanraamji last year to kindly accommodate criticism and respond positively and i was among the vocals to request the group moderators to lift the ban on him. so my preaching and practice is that we shall accommodate our critics and at the same time advise them to criticise positively to help us improve further. to make things clear to you and all members of this group, i treat all astrologers like my own brothers and have equal fraternal love for all. it is needless to say that one must have respect and accommodation for others and shall never try to put the other in bad light. with this i request all fraternal brothers to treat other astrologers like brothers and do not find faults with them. it is up to the astrologer to take it positive or negatively based on his maturity. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > Namaste, > Dear Pt.Ariunji, > I regret to note your passing away comments.Please go through the message 93986 of 21.04.2006,if you have true heart to may realize my then pain. > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear pandit dakshinamoorthiji > > there is a saying that people throw stones ONLY at a tree that is > bearing so many fruits. > > out of my brotherly fraternal love, i earnestly request you to treat > ALL your critics like those who are seeking more and more fruits > (knowledge sharing mails) from you and keep obliging them in future > as well, as you have been doing all along. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am > Mohanraaamji > > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis > had > > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > > stoop to such low levels " . > > > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in > an > > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People > who > > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me > are > > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking > me > > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most > vocal > > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money > for > > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > > gesture you have shown me! > > > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have > respected > > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You > have > > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > > other > > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from > Pandit > > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted > all > > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > > people, > > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > > enter > > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > > send > > > it to group. > > > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group > members > > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > > will > > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > > real ? > > > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > > become > > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- > 44 > > yr, > > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > > is > > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > > old > > > man ? > > > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > > 7719 > > > members of the group. > > > > > > Shame !!! > > > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not > said > > i m > > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd > not > > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > > address.....You > > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > > have > > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that > time > > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > > also > > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > > locked > > > > office room. > > > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > > capable > > > of > > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food > from > > his > > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole > family > > > knows > > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > > when > > > he > > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, > it > > is > > > > nothing new. > > > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? > What > > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > > you > > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand > that > > > many > > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > > you > > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > > have > > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do > what > > I > > > am > > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even > as > > he > > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email > id. > > You > > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > > engineer > > > who > > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > > detail > > > and > > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a > stored > > > mail > > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > > persons). > > > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may > erraneously > > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > > that > > > (he > > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > > connection > > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > > true. > > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > > all!) > > > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > > Why > > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > > maintain > > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > > tell > > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to > indulge > > in > > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > > THE > > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > > good > > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft > and > > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > > english > > > as > > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > > mental > > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > > discusses > > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > > power, > > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will > curse > > u, > > > > will > > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > > position > > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > > participated > > > > in > > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > > designation > > > is > > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > > for a > > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > > can't > > > be > > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no > mistakes, > > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > > other's > > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related > with > > Pt. > > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > > mails, > > > > But, > > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail > Ids. > > > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a > nexus > > > > between > > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > > other > > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I > want > > to > > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > > have > > > I > > > > > come > > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in > this > > > > > present > > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > > get > > > > > tensed > > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not > a " paid " > > > > > agent. > > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > > intentions > > > > > in > > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > > sing > > > his > > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > > needs > > > > no > > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > > obvious > > > > to > > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > > aware, > > > > he > > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > > when > > > > > asked, > > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > > felt > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at > the > > > same > > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to > keep > > > quite > > > > > if > > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the > promise > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > > unsavoury > > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > > invitation > > > > that > > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did > this > > > only > > > > > for > > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > > private > > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted > his > > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > > introduced > > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only > so > > > that > > > > he > > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > > members > > > > > will > > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal > intentions > > in > > > my > > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his > request. > > He > > > > is > > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > > limits; > > > > > and > > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the > group > > > which > > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > > to > > > > > retain > > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. > In > > > > fact, > > > > > he > > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to > ignore > > > > him. > > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to > write > > > again > > > > > and > > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > > SEEN > > > ME > > > > > EVEN > > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > > web links. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: You have probably not read the message posted by Mohanraaamji properly....He has not called you an egoistic pig. It is not his word....He is referring to the mails he got; he has forwarded some such mails and has said that he has some mails calling you that ( " egoistic pig " ). You have misunderstood it as that he has used that against you. No....! I was wondering how I did not censure him for using such words....he has not used it at all! He has referred to others using that term against you and has even said he was willing to post it. If you felt he was telling a lie, you could have challenged him to post it in the group! Somebody else has abused you and you have put the blame on Mohanraaamji. Please, sir, read the message 73786 again. I read it again today....I had long forgotten it......I referred it today again, just in case to check whether Mohanraaamji had indeed called you an " egoistic pig " . If he had done, I would have apologized to you on his behalf definitely today. Please understand one thing, you hurt others and others hurt you. In my case, just on the basis of a doubt, my very dignity has been maligned endlessly. You got upset with just one post; just check what I have been undergoing for the past 3 weeks here! Mohanraamji and Shri Lalith have a hot exchange of posts, and Lalithji drags my name into it unnecessarily. He was taunting me or Mohanraaamji; he was speaking against established vedic traditions calling them " lack of practical experience " which are all really blasphemous to traditional persons. This is unnecessary provocation. Expressing one's views without unduly provocating others is an art. Please refer to Prashantji's correction of my post " Ganapaadi " ....how delicately he does it! Such decency is required in a debate or exchange between scholars. We should sow and reap goodwill. I have had too many mysterious experiences in my life and Mohanraaamji's using my computer to send mails is not a big deal for me. I have experienced far different occult experiences in my life to suspect it. I do not even comment on such instances or make serious note of it. In my belief, as a person doing shiva pooja, if Mohanraaamji is an evil entity he cannot have got access to my things or house. Once he is able to use his siddhis in my domain, he is above doubt as far as I am concerned. He will not harm me intentionally. These things cannot be proved by science nor can tangible evidences given in these matters. I will certainly be most deferential to persons who possess such powers because I know for sure that attaining them must be difficult (For starters, I myself do not have such powers in spite of having done some rigorous saadhanaas!). This is the context in which I view Mohanraaamji. Otherwise, I have no personal attachment or affiliation with him, and honestly I do not know what such a person of accomplishments sees in me to admire me! This is the truth. I am as perplexed as anybody else in this matter. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Your current mail also reiterates " sishya/sruthti " which implies I > have created a fake id. Your being hurt is no excuse for supporting > dangerous allegations against the very honour and dignity of a person > like me. > > To tell you one thing honestly, your sarcastic style of writing was > not in good taste even in my opinion. You have probably forgotten > the messages I have posted in the group requesting Mohanraaamji to > excercise restraint. > > Another clarification.....Mohanraaamji has not hijacked my > password......With the help of some members here, I could track his > IP address to my own computer in an attempt to locate him......This > is what I meant, but in my agony and upset I would have used the word > email id. The incident I said refers to his suggestions which I > followed in certain matters. But adverse results do not necessariy > implicate bad intentions; I firmly believe that he gave the > suggestion based on a higher understanding of karmic principles, and > my suffering in that matter was my karma and he was an " agent " in > that. He is not a terrorist or a criminal as you portray him to be. > Such people do not get the sort of miraculous powers as Mohanraaamji > has for which I can stand testimony but cannot obviously give proof. > these things are to be experienced! > > I honestly feel that Mohanraaamji might have been abrasive in his > words many times, but it was mostly when people taunted him > sarcastically or made dishonourable references to me, which in my > opinion any deeply attached sishya or admirer will do. I have often > being writing to him in personal mails to desist from foul mouthing > others. He may be an angry man.......But definitely he cannot be a > criminal. I do not think he can tell lies....that is my perception. > > He is not a direct sishya for me.......I have not even seen him in > person. He calls me Guruji out of respect and admiration. That is > all...Regarding his designation and other factors, I am myself not > aware of all those facts; only thing I know is of the Tulabharam > incident which he has written to me also when I offered Tulaabhaaram > for the benefit of my own nephew. > > Your anger has clouded your vision. Whatever it is, in spite of > saying that you felt hurt that I did not stop Mohanraaamji from > attacking you, your honour did not prevent you from seeking my help > just one week back! > > You have clearly written " Mr. Lalith has tore the mask and exposed > the truth " ......in which the reference is clearly that I have been at > fault......Try to understand one thing, dharma upadesha should be got > only from someone whom you believe is highly ethical. If you have > been all along suspecting that I am not of a straight type, you > should have refrained from getting my suggestions on dharmic matters. > This hypocrisy is typical of these times......you believe in > exploiting a person's knowledge but steadfastly refuse to accord > respect due to a dharmic Guru. Dharmic knowledge of a subtle variety > is obtained only by a life lived according to ethics; once a person > slips up in ethics, he is no more qualified to preach dharma for > others! Please understand that. That is one reason I am so touchy > about this matter. > > Even your current mail is sceptical. I have nothing more to add and > nothing from my side to " prove " my innocence. > > To be very honest, I have got so many mails during your exchange with > Mohanraaamji alleging your " highhandedness " and " sarcastic mails " > which prompted many members to quit this group. I never said one > word about it in the group. I was a neutral observer in that > exchange between yourself and Mohanraaamji. But, in this case, you > have actively taken my opposite side joining hands with the person > who has alleged something serious against me. > > Please try to understand the difference. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri.Dakshinamoorthyji, > > > > To make us believe others pain when some one is hurt orally / > physically, my Commerce professor used to quote " when a physical > stone falls on a physical body, that body alone realize the abstract > pain which others may not unaware " . > > It is also true in my case, which you may agree with the > following; during a course of our Astrological discussions, he > intruded as an uninvited guest and abused me. The pain and mental > agony I under went on 21st April 2006[ref.message 93986] may be an > enjoyable jock to others. Your sisya / sirushiti abused me with most > derogatory obnoxious words: " egoistic pig " which you may plead your > innocence now; where were you gone then? Why you have failed to > prevail on him then? > > The above are the doubts lingering in my heart to believe the > allegations framed against you by Mr.Lalitji. > > I am also now given to understand from your posts that he has > placed you in tight corners, by hawking away your e-mail " pass word " ; > you should have taken corrective steps with all your experiences you > had with him and kept under strict security vigil your pass word and > ID. He had already tom-tamed that he is a retired Military Major [in > his `Guruvaiyurappan thulaabaaram makuthvam' narration episode, > whether he is a culprit or otherwise, a time may come to verify his > antecedents by the " STATE / CENTARAL " AUTHORITIES when he commits > serious crime / fraud with your " pass word " . > > " alpha saakuvaasa praanasankatam " > > Please kindly lodge a criminal police compliant on him or else he > may even hijack your changed e-mail " pass word " and misuse it which > may even invite to institute a criminal conspiracy case against you > by the " STATE " or else be ready for `test of fire'as mother > SeethaDevi under went to establish HER innocence. > > > > I HAVE NO ANY PERSONAL VENDATA AGAINST YOU. > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> > wrote: Dear Shri. Karunaakaram > Raaghavam: > > > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am > Mohanraaamji > > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis > had > > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will > not > > stoop to such low levels " . > > > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in > an > > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People > who > > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me > are > > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking > me > > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most > vocal > > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and > say!...and > > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money > for > > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > > gesture you have shown me! > > > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have > respected > > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You > have > > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had > evaporated > > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > > other > > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from > Pandit > > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted > all > > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > > people, > > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > > enter > > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he > can > > send > > > it to group. > > > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group > members > > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, > they > > will > > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are > in > > > real ? > > > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort > of > > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > > become > > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- > 44 > > yr, > > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., > Who > > is > > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 > year > > old > > > man ? > > > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with > a > > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before > all > > 7719 > > > members of the group. > > > > > > Shame !!! > > > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not > said > > i m > > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd > not > > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > > address.....You > > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > > have > > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that > time > > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > > also > > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > > locked > > > > office room. > > > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > > capable > > > of > > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food > from > > his > > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole > family > > > knows > > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > > when > > > he > > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, > it > > is > > > > nothing new. > > > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? > What > > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > > you > > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand > that > > > many > > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not > threatened > > you > > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that > I > > have > > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do > what > > I > > > am > > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even > as > > he > > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email > id. > > You > > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > > engineer > > > who > > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > > detail > > > and > > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a > stored > > > mail > > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > > persons). > > > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may > erraneously > > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > > that > > > (he > > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > > connection > > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not > Panditji, > > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > > true. > > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you > are > > all!) > > > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my > mails? > > Why > > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > > maintain > > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking > will > > tell > > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to > indulge > > in > > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > > THE > > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > > good > > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft > and > > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > > english > > > as > > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > > mental > > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > > discusses > > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive > occult > > > power, > > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will > curse > > u, > > > > will > > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > > position > > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > > participated > > > > in > > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > > designation > > > is > > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > > for a > > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > > can't > > > be > > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no > mistakes, > > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to > curb > > > > other's > > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related > with > > Pt. > > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > > mails, > > > > But, > > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail > Ids. > > > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a > nexus > > > > between > > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > > other > > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I > want > > to > > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > > have > > > I > > > > > come > > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in > this > > > > > present > > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > > get > > > > > tensed > > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not > a " paid " > > > > > agent. > > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > > intentions > > > > > in > > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > > sing > > > his > > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > > needs > > > > no > > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > > obvious > > > > to > > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > > aware, > > > > he > > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > > when > > > > > asked, > > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > > felt > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at > the > > > same > > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to > keep > > > quite > > > > > if > > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the > promise > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > > unsavoury > > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > > invitation > > > > that > > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did > this > > > only > > > > > for > > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > > private > > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted > his > > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > > introduced > > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only > so > > > that > > > > he > > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > > members > > > > > will > > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal > intentions > > in > > > my > > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his > request. > > He > > > > is > > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > > limits; > > > > > and > > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the > group > > > which > > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an > attempt > > to > > > > > retain > > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. > In > > > > fact, > > > > > he > > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to > ignore > > > > him. > > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to > write > > > again > > > > > and > > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > > SEEN > > > ME > > > > > EVEN > > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, > not > > web links. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Group, Do u know, Pt Dakschhinamurty Ji has written mails to people like Arjun Pandit to support him. If he has no links with MohanRaam, i will be first to support him, i took a paid consultation from him. See, i m very clear tht there is a good astrologer exist with him, with you, i too appeciate him, bt seems there is another side of the coin too. PanditJi pls. stop saying that MohanRaam uses ur computer to post mails and u dont know him, Pls. stop saying that he is such a accomplished person in occult science that he can flew in the air and access one's mailbox, if it's, why he didn't access my mailbox. He is no more !! Perhapse Arjun Pandit Ji has forgotten me, well, m not begining another chapter of controversy. I think every one has right to exist and do the business but no one has right to exploit simple and gullible members who come to the group like i came, such people people started business doing with a psychological strategy. Well, No MOhanraam is appearing here, What a great psychological game is was, he did write to me - " I m going to send u a message, a sample of what mohanraam is, this will open ur eyes ... " , And Group u know, a Sr. astrologer called me around 11 pm, he was too worried for my safety , He said they people might have harmful occult siddhis ...., he suggested me to not to enter into any fight with them.... this sort of terror was being spread by people like mohanraam. He as taling about Veda and Upveda..... .... and world has seen what siddhi's this mohanraam had Pls. mind, if i had any weakness in my heart and mind, what w'd have happened to me, if my faith on my divine mother have been a little less, what w'd have happened to me.... yes, few people has correctly said - " Truth Wins.. " . Truth has won. The Game is over. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Karunaakaram Raaghavam: > > Do you mean to say that you also suspect me of being Mohanraaamji? > And the word " swine " does it apply to me? Shri. Lalith has not > merely attacked Mohanraaamji....He has alleged that I am Mohanraaamji > though I had refuted it to him time and again.....Your mail also > seems to indicate such a thought process........ > > I would have been happy if at least you who got some intricate > clarifications on shaastraas done through me on a honorary basis had > said something like " I also had trouble with Mohanraaamji, but he > cannot be Pandit Dakshinamoorthi. Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji will not > stoop to such low levels " . > > Thanks for your mail...I was undecided about my decision taken in an > upset mood in the evening about quitting the group. But your mail > has exposed one truth about the members of the group.......People who > are gentle and believe in the innate goodness of persons like me are > very silent and circumspect in their respect; They are just asking me > not to quit because " the group needs my presence! " . I have not so > far got even one mail in this group saying that Panditji would not > have done anything bad; But those who criticise others are most vocal > in raising a ruckus and joining hands - whether the subject of > criticism deserves such a censure or not. Have I ever ever spoken > one word against you in this forum; touch your heart and say!...and > when you asked a doubt did I not clarify it? Did I ask you money for > it? After getting knowledge clarifications from me, it is a nice > gesture you have shown me! > > This obviously is not a place for a person like me. I have respected > my Gurus with all my heart and would not even hear one word spoken > wrongly of them. But, such a mentality is not found here. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > Mr.Lalit Mishra, > > > > Thank you very much; I am happy about your perseverance in > excavating truth and shown the way to gullible glib takers. You have > torn the masks of invisible Swine. Once this swine had insulted > me " egoistic pig " [indirectly in message 73986 of 21stApril 2006], > then I had left it to God, now at last the invisible had evaporated > after addressing all the members of the forum as " spineless " . > > > > God bless you, > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > > It looks that a fake id of MohanRaam is created to counter to > other > > Senior Astrologers of the group, Now, it is clear, there is no > > Mohanraam existing. Mohanraam says he posted all mails from Pandit > > Dakschhinamurty's computer, He has not claimed that he posted all > > mails from my or ur's computer. > > > > So a strong doubt is, Either, it is PanditJi himself or his > people, > > whosoever it is, it's ridiculous and disgusting. MohanRaam can > enter > > into PanditJi's computer and can type in a mail and more, he can > send > > it to group. > > > > But he cant enter into my mailbox to see who are the group members > > sending mails to me , He claims that he was not a Major that i > > assumed, but what he was, he has not written ? > > > > Leave it, Group u have seen how these people who swears of veda > > culture or vedic values are in real life, I m so sad today, they > will > > talk about seers like Kanchi Sankaracharya, but what they are in > > real ? > > > > Panditji has good knowledge of astrology, Why he needs a sort of > > Mohanraam .... Why ? > > > > What u will say, ambition, greed or insecurity ? Or a wish to > become > > an icon in the field of Astrology... > > > > Have u noticed, This MOHANRAAM equates him to PT. SANJAY RATH- 44 > yr, > > PV NARSIMHA RAO - 37 yr, who are half of his claimed age..., Who > is > > doing this sort of claims, who is gettting benefitted. a 86 year > old > > man ? > > > > See, this was a ghost in the group, which happen to fight with a > > Software Engineer and trapped in the broad day light, before all > 7719 > > members of the group. > > > > Shame !!! > > > > And i m sorry, i was made instrumental to expose, had he not said > i m > > suffering from such and such psychological disorderness, I w'd not > > have tried to expose the two faces of one man. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You need not trouble yourself with tracing the IP > address.....You > > > will get the IP address of Panditji only if you trace it. I > have > > > been sending it from his computer only. > > > > > > Yesterday night, we had a long session of exchange; at that time > > > Panditji was asleep, and his younger brother and mother were > also > > > there in the house at that time. His computer was inside his > > locked > > > office room. > > > > > > You who speak of miracles must know that there are people > capable > > of > > > doing those things. I have consumed large amounts of food from > his > > > house which no normal human being can do.......His whole family > > knows > > > of all these. They are all perplexed by that. > > > > > > Guruji has himself traced the IP id once to his own computer > when > > he > > > got it traced through a software engineer client of his...So, it > is > > > nothing new. > > > > > > By the way, I was not a major in the Indian army during the > > > Bangladesh war....how did you assume I was only a " major " ? What > > > makes you think that I did not serve earlier wars? What makes > you > > > think that I was not a Brigadier at that time? > > > > > > Young man you have a long way to go in occult to understand that > > many > > > miracles can happen in normal life.......I have not threatened > you > > > with death or anything......I had infact openly written that I > have > > > not even cursed you. > > > > > > Guruji has no connection with me; he is not asking me to do what > I > > am > > > doing. I have been typing from his computer - sometimes even as > he > > > is chatting with clients, I have sent mails from his email id. > You > > > can check the time stamps to confirm this. One software > engineer > > who > > > traced this (on the request of Panditji himself) found that 5 > > > different mails had been sent at the same time that too in > detail > > and > > > in reply to mails received at the same time (it was not a stored > > mail > > > being sent; but a live mail sent as a reply to 5 different > persons). > > > > > > So, tracing IP address will prove nothing. You may erraneously > > > assume that Panditji or someone in his family might be doing > that > > (he > > > has parallel connection and his brother uses the other > connection > > > from his room; so you might assume that if it is not Panditji, > > > someone close to him is doing that......But even that is not > true. > > > His family is as perplexed by some of my activities as you are > all!) > > > > > > If Panditji and I are the same, how come he receives my mails? > Why > > > does he write to my email id? Is it humanly possible to > maintain > > > such elaborate set up, and what purpose it will serve? > > > > > > Your doubt is not baseless, but a simple logical thinking will > tell > > > you that it is not possible for a man of his schedule to indulge > in > > > empty antics like that! > > > > > > If the group can believe this, let them believe. I have said > THE > > > TRUTH. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I will put my observations : > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurty has good knowledge of Astrology and has > good > > > > collection of classics. his has good writing skills, soft and > > > > convincing. > > > > > > > > He owns a Master degree in Psychology..... (mind it) > > > > > > > > And this MohanRaam. > > > > > > > > Observe his way of writing, same sort of composition in > english > > as > > > > Pt. Dakschhina has. > > > > > > > > U see, this MohanRaam repeatedly uses some medical terms of > > mental > > > > disorderness, talks about Psychology and Psychiatrists, > discusses > > > > symptoms and suggests remedies ...... > > > > > > > > Now, watch him closely..., what he claims, astutely !! > > > > > > > > > > > > He spreads teror, a scaremonger , He owns destructive occult > > power, > > > > and if u speak a bit about Pt. Dakschhinamurty, He will curse > u, > > > will > > > > kill u.. and bla bla... > > > > > > > > Pt. Dakschhinamurthy has been selected in defence for the > > position > > > > of " Commander " or something like this .... > > > > > > > > Mohanraam gives his introduction like he was in army, > > participated > > > in > > > > bangladesh war... > > > > > > > > his age is 86+. > > > > > > > > now calculate, he was an officer in army, well, his > designation > > is > > > > not known, assuming he was a Major in army, the average age > for a > > > > major in army is 35-37. > > > > > > > > bangladesh war happened in 1971, if we add 36+36 = 72, He > can't > > be > > > > 86, may be he was not a major/col. also. > > > > > > > > Now, come to, His typing... > > > > > > > > Looks, He writes faster than a paid typist, with no mistakes, > > > > beleive, he is 86... and his fingers are so nice. > > > > > > > > He has only one pupose, that is to spread terror of his > > > > occultpower.., How, By creating a Psychological Game to curb > > > other's > > > > opinions, amd particularly if there is any thing related with > Pt. > > > > Dakschhinamurty. > > > > > > > > I have not traced his IP address, wherefrom he posts his > mails, > > > But, > > > > I m prone to think, Some Nexus, Some Link between two mail Ids. > > > > > > > > I leave it to the group to observe his behavior. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group: > > > > > > > > > > Lalith has made a serious allegation that " there is a nexus > > > between > > > > > me and Pandit Dakshinamoorthi " ....There have been certain > other > > > > > persons also who have alluded to that in the past....I want > to > > > > > clarify on that..... > > > > > > > > > > I accept that definitely I am an admirer of Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji > > > > > because as an elderly yogi who has seen life, very rarely > have > > I > > > > come > > > > > across a person of such a calibre and definitely not in this > > > > present > > > > > generation. So, I do write glowingly about him, and I do > get > > > > tensed > > > > > when someone attacks him, and retort with mails. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no unholy nexus between us. I am not a " paid " > > > > agent. > > > > > I write only what I have felt about him. I have no mal > > > intentions > > > > in > > > > > that. I do not think Panditji needs a person like me to > sing > > his > > > > > praise; as someone in this group wrote earlier " Knowledge > needs > > > no > > > > > introduction " , and Panditji's knowledge would have been > obvious > > > to > > > > > everyone in the group. > > > > > > > > > > I am supporting Panditji only because as you all might be > > aware, > > > he > > > > > was not contributing to the group regularly for sometime; > when > > > > asked, > > > > > he said that there were unnecessary controversies and he > felt > > it > > > is > > > > > beneath a scholar to indulge in unsavoury exchanges, at the > > same > > > > > time, as a practising professional he cannot afford to keep > > quite > > > > if > > > > > someone attacks his professionalism which might spoil his > > > > > professional image. So, I brought him back with the promise > > that > > > I > > > > > will be his mouthpiece and spokesperson to defend him if > > > unsavoury > > > > > controversies arise. Even initially, it was on my > invitation > > > that > > > > > Guruji joined this group in the first instance. I did this > > only > > > > for > > > > > the benefit of the learner of the group. Guruji is a very > > private > > > > > person who tends to hide his Glow in a bushel. I wanted his > > > > > intelligence and wisdom to benefit many and that is why I > > > > introduced > > > > > him to the group; and I support him and write mails only so > > that > > > he > > > > > does not quit the group due to unsavoury incidents. Old > > members > > > > will > > > > > remember that I was once even banned from the group. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, there is no other unholy or mal intentions > in > > my > > > > > supporting Guruji. Definitely, this is not at his request. > He > > > is > > > > > not one to make such requests. He will be patient to his > > limits; > > > > and > > > > > if his limit exceeds, he will just walk away from the group > > which > > > > > will be the loss to the group. That is why, in an attempt > to > > > > retain > > > > > his services here, I do write supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > In exchanges with Lalith, Guruji is not involved at all. In > > > fact, > > > > he > > > > > requested me not to fight with Lalith and asked me to ignore > > > him. > > > > > But, the challenging tone of Lalith only impels me to write > > again > > > > and > > > > > again. But, Guruji's name is unnecessarily drawn into this. > > > > > > > > > > THE TRUTH IS THAT I HAVE SEEN GURUJI; BUT GURUJI HAS NOT > SEEN > > ME > > > > EVEN > > > > > ONCE IN HIS LIFE. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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