Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Namaste Sanjay, I did discuss this with you privately a couple of years back and did not discover any discord then. You agreed then that what Parasara taught is different from SJC teachings. > For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of > Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did > not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by > Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach > exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do > that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*. There are passages in BPHS that open themselves to multiple interpretations. I am neither arrogant nor foolish enough to suggest that I understand exactly what Parasara meant in such cases. However, calculation of drigdasa gives no such scope (for movable and fixed lagnas). One need not be a trikaala-gya to translate *clearly* and *unambiguously* expressed *calculation instructions*. I simply cannot see how those instructions can mean what we taught earlier (and I thought you had agreed too, earlier). After the conference, I can give a word-by-word translation of Parasara's verses to establish that what I am teaching is indeed Parasara's version. * * * Anyway, Sanjay, my intention is not to argue and win debates. Nor do I have a strong desire or passion to teach or spread any specific knowledge. If there is a chance, I am happy to teach something. If there isn't, I am happy to skip. Sanjay, I am about to present the teachings of a great rishi on a very important dasa for spiritually minded people. I want to do it *with your blessings* and not amid your implicit discord. I will be most fortunate if you give me your blessings to do the best job I can in presenting Parasara's teachings so that people can use them if they want, instead of what we have taught so far. Instead, if you really believe that what we have taught earlier is based on Parasara's verses and what I am going to present (i.e. what I shared with you a couple of years back) is not a faithful translation of Parasara but is " my version " and that it is not any closer to Parasara's verses than what we taught earlier, then I'd rather drop this topic and teach something else. We can let people use what we taught earlier and not give this new option. I will be very happy either way! Please advise. You can reply to the list or send me a private email. I wish the best of luck to your " 27/28 nakshatras " and hope that they spread useful knowledge of Jyotish, along with other SJC Jyotish gurus. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > om gurave namah > > Dear Narasimha, > > For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of > Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did > not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by > Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach > exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do > that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*. > > I agree that there are some aspects of Jaimini and Parasara which I > may not have *fully taught* in the past, and am doing so now through > the Course on Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra during which I shall > train 27/28 nakshatras to shine in the Jyotish sky...oh yes, they will > shine...all of them. > > Next I will teach the Course on Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, as only > after this course will they be ready to grasp Parasara in His > completeness. > > Please NOTE: For those of you who wish to learn the course, please get > in touch with one of the 27 teachers as they alone can guide you step > by step through this subject. The Course Book is going to be available > shortly and is about 650 pages for Pada I (only) of Adhyaya I. Very > soon the other three padas will also be available. It is better to > study with a certified Jaimini Scholar. > > I will request Ajay Zarotia/Sarbani to forward the names and emails of > the 27 scholars with a brief to all lists. > > ----------you wrote------- > 9:00 am - 12:30 pm: " Drigdasa Taught by Parasara " - by PVR Narasimha Rao > -------- > > Pranapada lagna is an important special ascendant taught by Parasara. > It is the source of the life force within us. It is a very important > and yet the least understood special ascendant. It is important in > birthtime rectification, timing of various events including diseases > and even death. Pt Sanjay Rath taught several things about it for the > first time in this presentation and the SJC-Boston students will do > their best job to present this special knowledge. I will be helping them. > > Drigdasa is the dasa that shows events in spiritual life and spiritual > progress. In my study of " Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram " , I found > that Drigdasa taught to me by Sanjay ji differs from what Parasara > taught and that what Parasara taught works better. When I asked Sanjay > ji how confident he was of the calculation details he taught, he said > his teachings could have been wrong. He said he was taught all those > things in a small amount of time and he took brief notes and there > might have been errors. My well-considered view is that what Parasara > taught is correct and what we at SJC have so far taught is erroneous. > This conference will be the first occasion that this version of > Drigdasa will be taught publicly. I will soon release a newer revision > of " Jagannatha Hora " software that can calculate Parasara's version of > Drigdasa. > > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > http://srath.com http://jiva.us http://siva-edu-com > http://sagittariuspublications.com http://.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 om gurave namah Dear Narasimha, We need the word by word interpretation...and being perfectionists, both you and I, we have to review again and again. I am looking forward to this ... for a long time. So go ahead and do it. *Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya* - May you speak well and clearly. I am now so very happy at the attitude. This is so very right. Have you chosen the team for making the software open? There are many who are spiritually idle and are dying to make a little karmic contribution for Jagannath. In any case I do not undestand this open and closed software thing. I have often wondered "so what if the source code is given out? what will happen?" . Are we afraid that someone will steal the entire code and develop another software which they will sell. If someone is stealing from a temple, it is his/her karma. We are doing a good deed by placing faith in this world and also benefitting in showing faith in Bhagavan as the protector of the good works...these are some of my musings. Do what would be right in your best judgment as you alone know these things very well. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath http://srath.com http://jiva.us http://siva-edu-com http://sagittariuspublications.com http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha RaoThursday, August 02, 2007 8:42 PMsjc-guru ; vedic astrology ; sohamsa ; pvrSubject: Drigdasa (Re: Jaimini Course etc) Namaste Sanjay,I did discuss this with you privately a couple of years back and didnot discover any discord then. You agreed then that what Parasarataught is different from SJC teachings.> For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of> Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did> not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by> Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach> exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do> that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*.There are passages in BPHS that open themselves to multipleinterpretations. I am neither arrogant nor foolish enough to suggestthat I understand exactly what Parasara meant in such cases. However,calculation of drigdasa gives no such scope (for movable and fixedlagnas). One need not be a trikaala-gya to translate *clearly* and*unambiguously* expressed *calculation instructions*.I simply cannot see how those instructions can mean what we taughtearlier (and I thought you had agreed too, earlier). After theconference, I can give a word-by-word translation of Parasara's versesto establish that what I am teaching is indeed Parasara's version.* * *Anyway, Sanjay, my intention is not to argue and win debates. Nor do Ihave a strong desire or passion to teach or spread any specificknowledge. If there is a chance, I am happy to teach something. Ifthere isn't, I am happy to skip.Sanjay, I am about to present the teachings of a great rishi on a veryimportant dasa for spiritually minded people. I want to do it *withyour blessings* and not amid your implicit discord.I will be most fortunate if you give me your blessings to do the bestjob I can in presenting Parasara's teachings so that people can usethem if they want, instead of what we have taught so far.Instead, if you really believe that what we have taught earlier isbased on Parasara's verses and what I am going to present (i.e. what Ishared with you a couple of years back) is not a faithful translationof Parasara but is "my version" and that it is not any closer toParasara's verses than what we taught earlier, then I'd rather dropthis topic and teach something else. We can let people use what wetaught earlier and not give this new option.I will be very happy either way!Please advise. You can reply to the list or send me a private email.I wish the best of luck to your "27/28 nakshatras" and hope that theyspread useful knowledge of Jyotish, along with other SJC Jyotish gurus.Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org---------------------------- In sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Narasimha,> > For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of> Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did> not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by> Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach> exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do> that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*. > > I agree that there are some aspects of Jaimini and Parasara which I> may not have *fully taught* in the past, and am doing so now through> the Course on Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra during which I shall> train 27/28 nakshatras to shine in the Jyotish sky...oh yes, they will> shine...all of them.> > Next I will teach the Course on Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, as only> after this course will they be ready to grasp Parasara in His> completeness.> > Please NOTE: For those of you who wish to learn the course, please get> in touch with one of the 27 teachers as they alone can guide you step> by step through this subject. The Course Book is going to be available> shortly and is about 650 pages for Pada I (only) of Adhyaya I. Very> soon the other three padas will also be available. It is better to> study with a certified Jaimini Scholar.> > I will request Ajay Zarotia/Sarbani to forward the names and emails of> the 27 scholars with a brief to all lists.> > ----------you wrote-------> 9:00 am - 12:30 pm: "Drigdasa Taught by Parasara" - by PVR NarasimhaRao > --------> > Pranapada lagna is an important special ascendant taught by Parasara.> It is the source of the life force within us. It is a very important> and yet the least understood special ascendant. It is important in> birthtime rectification, timing of various events including diseases> and even death. Pt Sanjay Rath taught several things about it for the> first time in this presentation and the SJC-Boston students will do> their best job to present this special knowledge. I will be helpingthem.> > Drigdasa is the dasa that shows events in spiritual life and spiritual> progress. In my study of "Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram", I found> that Drigdasa taught to me by Sanjay ji differs from what Parasara> taught and that what Parasara taught works better. When I asked Sanjay> ji how confident he was of the calculation details he taught, he said> his teachings could have been wrong. He said he was taught all those> things in a small amount of time and he took brief notes and there> might have been errors. My well-considered view is that what Parasara> taught is correct and what we at SJC have so far taught is erroneous.> This conference will be the first occasion that this version of> Drigdasa will be taught publicly. I will soon release a newer revision> of "Jagannatha Hora" software that can calculate Parasara's version of> Drigdasa.> > Best Wishes> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.com http://jiva.us http://siva-edu-com> http://sagittariuspublications.com http://.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Narasimha, My two cents: 1) This software should not be given open to everyone, but only to FEW HEADS, because of the simple issue which Narasimhaji mentioned : bugs, mistakes and errors. This definitely will destroy the good name of this nice software, like allowing to decorate Deity by everyone. 2) If the code will be open (it should be only given to few one which are trustworthy persons, best within our circle) there should be option/menu in Jhora about PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION AND SETTINGS (which make one version different from another) and there should be also change/adding of name which will make that particular VERSION recognizable. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa ashram: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Narasimha P.V.R. Rao napisał(a): Namaste Sanjay, Thank you for the encouragement and blessings. I will now go ahead and present Parasara's teachings on Drigdasa to the best of my ability. The calculations are unambiguously explained by Parasara, but interpretation of dasa results is an open area. I will use hints from BPHS, hints from tradition and also my own observations. I asked Narayan, Sanjay etc to find some details related to open source. The concern is not somebody making money using this code. But there are other concerns. We do not want a confused state where there are ten different releases of JHora from ten people giving different calculations and confusing people on what is right. We do not want people to add bugs. We need the flexibility of different people making contributions but no confusion and chaos from it. It requires some co-ordination and laying out some rules and procedures. It will happen. It is a matter of time. My feeling is that it will happen when Jupiter is in Sagittarius. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote: > > om gurave namah > Dear Narasimha, > > We need the word by word interpretation...and being perfectionists, both you > and I, we have to review again and again. I am looking forward to this ... > for a long time. So go ahead and do it. *Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya* - > May you speak well and clearly. > I am now so very happy at the attitude. This is so very right. > > Have you chosen the team for making the software open? There are many who > are spiritually idle and are dying to make a little karmic contribution for > Jagannath. In any case I do not undestand this open and closed software > thing. I have often wondered "so what if the source code is given out? what > will happen?" . Are we afraid that someone will steal the entire code and > develop another software which they will sell. If someone is stealing from a > temple, it is his/her karma. We are doing a good deed by placing faith in > this world and also benefitting in showing faith in Bhagavan as the > protector of the good works...these are some of my musings. Do what would be > right in your best judgment as you alone know these things very well. > > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://jiva.us/> http://jiva.us > <http://siva-edu-com/> http://siva-edu-com > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > <http://.org/> http://.org > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha Rao > Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:42 PM > sjc-guru ; vedic astrology ; > sohamsa ; pvr > Drigdasa (Re: Jaimini Course etc) > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > I did discuss this with you privately a couple of years back and did > not discover any discord then. You agreed then that what Parasara > taught is different from SJC teachings. > > > For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of > > Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did > > not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by > > Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach > > exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do > > that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*. > > There are passages in BPHS that open themselves to multiple > interpretations. I am neither arrogant nor foolish enough to suggest > that I understand exactly what Parasara meant in such cases. However, > calculation of drigdasa gives no such scope (for movable and fixed > lagnas). One need not be a trikaala-gya to translate *clearly* and > *unambiguously* expressed *calculation instructions*. > > I simply cannot see how those instructions can mean what we taught > earlier (and I thought you had agreed too, earlier). After the > conference, I can give a word-by-word translation of Parasara's verses > to establish that what I am teaching is indeed Parasara's version. > > * * * > > Anyway, Sanjay, my intention is not to argue and win debates. Nor do I > have a strong desire or passion to teach or spread any specific > knowledge. If there is a chance, I am happy to teach something. If > there isn't, I am happy to skip. > > Sanjay, I am about to present the teachings of a great rishi on a very > important dasa for spiritually minded people. I want to do it *with > your blessings* and not amid your implicit discord. > > I will be most fortunate if you give me your blessings to do the best > job I can in presenting Parasara's teachings so that people can use > them if they want, instead of what we have taught so far. > > Instead, if you really believe that what we have taught earlier is > based on Parasara's verses and what I am going to present (i.e. what I > shared with you a couple of years back) is not a faithful translation > of Parasara but is "my version" and that it is not any closer to > Parasara's verses than what we taught earlier, then I'd rather drop > this topic and teach something else. We can let people use what we > taught earlier and not give this new option. > > I will be very happy either way! > > Please advise. You can reply to the list or send me a private email. > > I wish the best of luck to your "27/28 nakshatras" and hope that they > spread useful knowledge of Jyotish, along with other SJC Jyotish gurus. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAst > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> rologer.org/homam > Spirituality: http://groups. <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> nath.org > ------------------------- > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> ..com, "Sanjay > Rath" <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > For too long have we waited for you to come out with *your version* of > > Drig Dasa. Of course we all say that we are following Parasara...I did > > not know of another teacher. Do you? Even Rao and the others swear by > > Parasara, yet you seem to be the only one who says that you teach > > exactly that which is taught by Parasara! Narasimha, none of us can do > > that - to do that we have to be *trikaala-gya*. > > > > I agree that there are some aspects of Jaimini and Parasara which I > > may not have *fully taught* in the past, and am doing so now through > > the Course on Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra during which I shall > > train 27/28 nakshatras to shine in the Jyotish sky...oh yes, they will > > shine...all of them. > > > > Next I will teach the Course on Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, as only > > after this course will they be ready to grasp Parasara in His > > completeness. > > > > Please NOTE: For those of you who wish to learn the course, please get > > in touch with one of the 27 teachers as they alone can guide you step > > by step through this subject. The Course Book is going to be available > > shortly and is about 650 pages for Pada I (only) of Adhyaya I. Very > > soon the other three padas will also be available. It is better to > > study with a certified Jaimini Scholar. > > > > I will request Ajay Zarotia/Sarbani to forward the names and emails of > > the 27 scholars with a brief to all lists. > > > > ----------you wrote------- > > 9:00 am - 12:30 pm: "Drigdasa Taught by Parasara" - by PVR Narasimha > Rao > > -------- > > > > Pranapada lagna is an important special ascendant taught by Parasara. > > It is the source of the life force within us. It is a very important > > and yet the least understood special ascendant. It is important in > > birthtime rectification, timing of various events including diseases > > and even death. Pt Sanjay Rath taught several things about it for the > > first time in this presentation and the SJC-Boston students will do > > their best job to present this special knowledge. I will be helping > them. > > > > Drigdasa is the dasa that shows events in spiritual life and spiritual > > progress. In my study of "Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram", I found > > that Drigdasa taught to me by Sanjay ji differs from what Parasara > > taught and that what Parasara taught works better. When I asked Sanjay > > ji how confident he was of the calculation details he taught, he said > > his teachings could have been wrong. He said he was taught all those > > things in a small amount of time and he took brief notes and there > > might have been errors. My well-considered view is that what Parasara > > taught is correct and what we at SJC have so far taught is erroneous. > > This conference will be the first occasion that this version of > > Drigdasa will be taught publicly. I will soon release a newer revision > > of "Jagannatha Hora" software that can calculate Parasara's version of > > Drigdasa. > > > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath. <http://srath.com> com http://jiva. <http://jiva.us> us > http://siva- <http://siva-edu-com> edu-com > > http://sagittariusp <http://sagittariuspublications.com> ublications.com > http:// <http://.org> ..org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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