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Poojya Guruji,

 

Thanks for your illuminative writings to the group which beside blessing people

like me ,also indirectly help in gradually coming back to adherence to our vedic

precepts.

 

Seeking your blessings

 

smadavi

 

 

Quoting dakshinastrologer:

 

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

 

Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

 

Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam

of his Ishta Devataa.

 

Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

 

It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

of the mantra will give manifest results.

 

Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are

o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

 

So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of

diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

 

A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE

RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

 

Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in

itself a tapasya!

 

This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who

want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

<asmp2k02 wrote:

>

> Respected Learned Members,

>

> Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

as Base.

> In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

time every day without help of alarm.

>

> With due Respects

>

> smadavi

>

>

> Quoting starsuponme:

>

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

against

> Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> >

> > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

counting

> > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> >

> > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

is

> > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

god

> > will ensure it for u.

> >

> > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> >

> > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > esoteric

> > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > >

> > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > But,

> > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > various

> > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

a

> > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

understood

> > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

there

> > are

> > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > the

> > > list.

> > >

> > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40>,

> > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

from

> > the

> > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

from the

> > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

too.

> > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > Narayana.

> > > >

> > > > jayasree

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > Actually

> > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

so

> > > total

> > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

and

> > > 20

> > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

it

> > > comes

> > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > represetns

> > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

nakshatra

> > > are

> > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > chanting a

> > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

who

> > > has

> > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

brahmagyani he

> > > is

> > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > recomended

> > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

 

Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target

is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting,

someone may get it with counting.

 

Thanx, for the writing.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

<asmp2k02 wrote:

>

> Respected Learned Members,

>

> Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

as Base.

> In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

time every day without help of alarm.

>

> With due Respects

>

> smadavi

>

>

> Quoting starsuponme:

>

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

against

> Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> >

> > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

counting

> > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> >

> > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

is

> > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

god

> > will ensure it for u.

> >

> > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> >

> > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > esoteric

> > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > >

> > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > But,

> > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > various

> > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

a

> > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

understood

> > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

there

> > are

> > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > the

> > > list.

> > >

> > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40>,

> > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

from

> > the

> > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

from the

> > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

too.

> > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > Narayana.

> > > >

> > > > jayasree

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > Actually

> > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

so

> > > total

> > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

and

> > > 20

> > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

it

> > > comes

> > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > represetns

> > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

nakshatra

> > > are

> > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > chanting a

> > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

who

> > > has

> > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

brahmagyani he

> > > is

> > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > recomended

> > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Resp Sri Lalitji,

Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's

mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the

applicability principles to my mail.

I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies from

saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that that the count will

be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial period of saadhana.

Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is symbolic for

ritualism as well as from practical point of view for our count) will help in

keeping away destructive forces acting on us .Thus the symbolic rituals will

indirectly help us in keeping away from negative thoughts and also trains our

memory to be object oriented.If our memory grows and retentive capacity increase

the Gnaana will increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions)

also becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to

successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising early(if

possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, attending to the

livelihood job etc etc in defined times as discipline helps indirectly tune our

memory through keeping our body healthy.

Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures are not

actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for our own good if we

practice to the extent we can.

 

Quoting mishra.lalit:

 

> Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

 

Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target

is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting,

someone may get it with counting.

 

Thanx, for the writing.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

<asmp2k02 wrote:

>

> Respected Learned Members,

>

> Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

as Base.

> In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

time every day without help of alarm.

>

> With due Respects

>

> smadavi

>

>

> Quoting starsuponme:

>

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

against

> Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> >

> > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

counting

> > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> >

> > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

is

> > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

god

> > will ensure it for u.

> >

> > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> >

> > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > esoteric

> > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > >

> > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > But,

> > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > various

> > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

a

> > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

understood

> > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

there

> > are

> > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > the

> > > list.

> > >

> > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40>,

> > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

from

> > the

> > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

from the

> > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

too.

> > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > Narayana.

> > > >

> > > > jayasree

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > Actually

> > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

so

> > > total

> > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

and

> > > 20

> > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

it

> > > comes

> > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > represetns

> > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

nakshatra

> > > are

> > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > chanting a

> > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

who

> > > has

> > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

brahmagyani he

> > > is

> > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > recomended

> > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

 

Thanx, u seem logical.... but u know there are myths.

 

one myth is attack of destructive forces. See, your mantra and ur God is

always capable of taking care of all destructive forces. it's beyond

descipline and what descipline, descipline is our perception.

 

like, if u switch on an electric bulb, it emits light,wherever it's

located.

 

so, when u start chanting mantra, when ur single minded, no thought with

intensity is there in ur mind, whatever force is there, if any, will get

automatically repelled and u w'd hardly come to know about what happened

around.

 

like, i used to chant devi kavach given in durga shapthshati, then after

a point, i realized it's just nothing but my own effort to condition my

mind, mother is always there, why and what i fear.

 

u know, but i m not sthitpragya, still deviation comes in mind and i try

to understand where is the root, sometimes, it is fun too, like u get

frineds to njoy ur time, same way, I consulted with Pandit ji to know

the reason why i m not getting good proposals for my marriage, that was

a fun sort of thing, till 32 i was busy in my struggle for a good Job of

my liking and exploring the spirituality after the sharada temple's

incident, after that, i saw my old father and mother, wants me to get

married, I was not sure what i should do, but then i thought deeply, and

accpted the option of getting married.

 

Let's see when it happens, I have made a time frame, then i w'd move on,

there is much to discover and rediscover in the field of spirituality

for my satisfactin and for all , like relationship and control of body,

mind and soul. so many questions needs to be answered.

 

U know even getting God's vision is not enough, still, karma is left to

burn out.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , asmp2k02 wrote:

>

> Resp Sri Lalitji,

> Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's

mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the

applicability principles to my mail.

> I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies

from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that that

the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial

period of saadhana.

> Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is

symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for our

count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us .Thus

the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from

negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object oriented.If

our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will

increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also

becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to

successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising

early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan,

attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as discipline

helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy.

> Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures are

not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for our

own good if we practice to the extent we can.

>

> Quoting mishra.lalit:

>

> > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

>

> Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target

> is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting,

> someone may get it with counting.

>

> Thanx, for the writing.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

> asmp2k02@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@:

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal@

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Rafal,

 

Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur understanding,

u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r messaging

same to many.

 

I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

 

Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software

engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is beyond

all sort of vidya or profession.

 

I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self awakening or

in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

connected. dissolved in each other.

 

First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, by

mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless god

graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort of

hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect u only

no one else.

 

somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-Aham " no

one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get cured by

knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to get

cured " .

 

So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a guru, nor

i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have to get

fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of affection,

that's it.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Jyotishas

>

> Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for

natives

> like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation will be

> only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

Dakshinamoorti

> advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development will

be

> slow and unauthoritative.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

> asmp2k02 napisa?(a):

> >

> > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's

> > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the

> > applicability principles to my mail.

> > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies

> > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that

that

> > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial

> > period of saadhana.

> > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is

> > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for

our

> > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us

..Thus

> > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from

> > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

oriented.If

> > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will

> > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also

> > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to

> > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising

> > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as

discipline

> > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy.

> > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures

are

> > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for

our

> > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> >

> > Quoting mishra.lalit <mishra.lalit%40gmail.com>:

> >

> > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> >

> > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target

> > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting,

> > someone may get it with counting.

> >

> > Thanx, for the writing.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi

> > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Learned Members,

> > >

> > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

> > as Base.

> > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

> > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

> > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

> > time every day without help of alarm.

> > >

> > > With due Respects

> > >

> > > smadavi

> > >

> > >

> > > Quoting starsuponme@:

> > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Litsol,

> > >

> > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> > against

> > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > >

> > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> > counting

> > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > >

> > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur

part

> > is

> > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> > god

> > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > >

> > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > > >

> > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > >

> > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > > esoteric

> > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

wonderful

> > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > > >

> > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

Universe.

> > > > But,

> > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > > various

> > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108

is

> > a

> > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> > understood

> > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information

of

> > > > the

> > > > > list.

> > > > >

> > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > 40>,

> > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> > from the

> > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> > too.

> > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of

Lord

> > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

question.

> > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

> > so

> > > > > total

> > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

degree

> > and

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to

108

> > it

> > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This

cycle

> > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> > nakshatra

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

> > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > brahmagyani he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers

from

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Litsol,

 

Please be careful about words.

 

Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating ones.

 

Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish Vedanga

as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But dont

be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting proper

understanding.

 

 

After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

 

litsol napisa?(a):

>

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur understanding,

> u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r messaging

> same to many.

>

> I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

>

> Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software

> engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is beyond

> all sort of vidya or profession.

>

> I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self awakening or

> in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

> connected. dissolved in each other.

>

> First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, by

> mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless god

> graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort of

> hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect u only

> no one else.

>

> somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-Aham " no

> one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get cured by

> knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to get

> cured " .

>

> So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

> experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a guru, nor

> i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have to get

> fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of affection,

> that's it.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Jyotishas

> >

> > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for

> natives

> > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation will be

> > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> Dakshinamoorti

> > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development will

> be

> > slow and unauthoritative.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> > asmp2k02 napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi ji's

> > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the

> > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies

> > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that

> that

> > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial

> > > period of saadhana.

> > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is

> > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for

> our

> > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us

> .Thus

> > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from

> > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

> oriented.If

> > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will

> > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also

> > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to

> > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising

> > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as

> discipline

> > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy.

> > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures

> are

> > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for

> our

> > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > >

> > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>:

> > >

> > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > >

> > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target

> > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting,

> > > someone may get it with counting.

> > >

> > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa murthy adavi

> > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > >

> > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

> > > as Base.

> > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

> > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

> > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

> > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > >

> > > > With due Respects

> > > >

> > > > smadavi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > >

> > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> > > against

> > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > >

> > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> > > counting

> > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > >

> > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur

> part

> > > is

> > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> > > god

> > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > >

> > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

> wonderful

> > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

> Universe.

> > > > > But,

> > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > > > various

> > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108

> is

> > > a

> > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> > > understood

> > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information

> of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > 40. com>,

> > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> > > from the

> > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> > > too.

> > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of

> Lord

> > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

> question.

> > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

> > > so

> > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

> degree

> > > and

> > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to

> 108

> > > it

> > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This

> cycle

> > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> > > nakshatra

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

> > > who

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers

> from

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Rafel,

 

I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with an

engineer's approach.

 

I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in

god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r

thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's not

like that. there is no delay.

 

It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked depends

on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

 

God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

 

spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Please be careful about words.

>

> Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating

ones.

>

> Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish

Vedanga

> as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But

dont

> be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting

proper

> understanding.

>

>

> After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

understanding,

> > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

messaging

> > same to many.

> >

> > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> >

> > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software

> > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is

beyond

> > all sort of vidya or profession.

> >

> > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self

awakening or

> > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

> > connected. dissolved in each other.

> >

> > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others,

by

> > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless

god

> > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort

of

> > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect

u only

> > no one else.

> >

> > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-

Aham " no

> > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get

cured by

> > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to

get

> > cured " .

> >

> > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

> > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a

guru, nor

> > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have

to get

> > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

affection,

> > that's it.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotishas

> > >

> > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for

> > natives

> > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation

will be

> > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > Dakshinamoorti

> > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development

will

> > be

> > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > >

> > >

> > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi

ji's

> > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity

to the

> > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it

varies

> > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such

that

> > that

> > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some

initial

> > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala

(which is

> > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of

view for

> > our

> > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on

us

> > .Thus

> > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away

from

> > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

> > oriented.If

> > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana

will

> > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

(diversions) also

> > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in

handy to

> > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be

Rising

> > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as

> > discipline

> > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body

healthy.

> > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic

procedures

> > are

> > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity

for

> > our

> > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > >

> > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>:

> > > >

> > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont

count,target

> > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

counting,

> > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > >

> > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa

murthy adavi

> > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the

goal as

> > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the

Mantra

> > > > as Base.

> > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

develops the

> > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

automatically

> > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for

2 or 3

> > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at

the same

> > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > >

> > > > > With due Respects

> > > > >

> > > > > smadavi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your

view is

> > > > against

> > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> > > > counting

> > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you

may be

> > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and

ur

> > part

> > > > is

> > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it

will be,

> > > > god

> > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out

limited

> > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual

growth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in

for ur's

> > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting

and

> > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

wonderful

> > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

> > wonderful

> > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

Wonderful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

> > Universe.

> > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post,

there are

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

practices. 108

> > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> > > > understood

> > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact

that

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the

information

> > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is

away

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is

away

> > > > from the

> > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to

deities

> > > > too.

> > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya

desas of

> > Lord

> > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

> > question.

> > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4

Charan

> > > > so

> > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

> > degree

> > > > and

> > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

minutes to

> > 108

> > > > it

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle).

This

> > cycle

> > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

horoscope. So

> > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand.

Further One

> > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some

remedies

> > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel

answers

> > from

> > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Litsol,

 

Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too shallow for

this Forum aspiration.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

 

litsol napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Rafel,

>

> I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with an

> engineer's approach.

>

> I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in

> god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r

> thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's not

> like that. there is no delay.

>

> It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked depends

> on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

>

> God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

>

> spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Please be careful about words.

> >

> > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating

> ones.

> >

> > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish

> Vedanga

> > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But

> dont

> > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting

> proper

> > understanding.

> >

> >

> > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > >

> > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> understanding,

> > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> messaging

> > > same to many.

> > >

> > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > >

> > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software

> > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is

> beyond

> > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > >

> > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self

> awakening or

> > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

> > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > >

> > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others,

> by

> > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless

> god

> > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort

> of

> > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect

> u only

> > > no one else.

> > >

> > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-

> Aham " no

> > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get

> cured by

> > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to

> get

> > > cured " .

> > >

> > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

> > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a

> guru, nor

> > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have

> to get

> > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> affection,

> > > that's it.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > >

> > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for

> > > natives

> > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation

> will be

> > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development

> will

> > > be

> > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi

> ji's

> > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity

> to the

> > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it

> varies

> > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such

> that

> > > that

> > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some

> initial

> > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala

> (which is

> > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of

> view for

> > > our

> > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on

> us

> > > .Thus

> > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away

> from

> > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

> > > oriented.If

> > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana

> will

> > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> (diversions) also

> > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in

> handy to

> > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be

> Rising

> > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as

> > > discipline

> > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body

> healthy.

> > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic

> procedures

> > > are

> > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity

> for

> > > our

> > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > >

> > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont

> count,target

> > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> counting,

> > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa

> murthy adavi

> > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the

> goal as

> > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the

> Mantra

> > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> develops the

> > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> automatically

> > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for

> 2 or 3

> > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at

> the same

> > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your

> view is

> > > > > against

> > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> > > > > counting

> > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you

> may be

> > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and

> ur

> > > part

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it

> will be,

> > > > > god

> > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out

> limited

> > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual

> growth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in

> for ur's

> > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting

> and

> > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> wonderful

> > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

> > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> Wonderful.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

> > > Universe.

> > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post,

> there are

> > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> practices. 108

> > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact

> that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the

> information

> > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is

> away

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is

> away

> > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to

> deities

> > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya

> desas of

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

> > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4

> Charan

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

> > > degree

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> minutes to

> > > 108

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle).

> This

> > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand.

> Further One

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some

> remedies

> > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel

> answers

> > > from

> > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Rafal,

 

Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No rafal,

it's not like that.

 

At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's

replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to

what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u

 

I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in

Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on earth,

at home, in forests etc...

 

then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

 

Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not

chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in North

normally its done.

 

And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra sadhana,

perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do it

this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most

of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we

think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, very

difficult.

 

what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation

process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins diluting,

and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial

part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective gets

fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being

devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track.

 

I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

 

My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m not

going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i will

complete Garg Hora series.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

shallow for

> this Forum aspiration.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Rafel,

> >

> > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with

an

> > engineer's approach.

> >

> > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in

> > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r

> > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's

not

> > like that. there is no delay.

> >

> > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

depends

> > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> >

> > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> >

> > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Litsol,

> > >

> > > Please be careful about words.

> > >

> > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating

> > ones.

> > >

> > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish

> > Vedanga

> > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go.

But

> > dont

> > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting

> > proper

> > > understanding.

> > >

> > >

> > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> > understanding,

> > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> > messaging

> > > > same to many.

> > > >

> > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

software

> > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality

is

> > beyond

> > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > >

> > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self

> > awakening or

> > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

> > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > >

> > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to

others,

> > by

> > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it.

unless

> > god

> > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this

sort

> > of

> > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will

affect

> > u only

> > > > no one else.

> > > >

> > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-

> > Aham " no

> > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get

> > cured by

> > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine

to

> > get

> > > > cured " .

> > > >

> > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

> > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a

> > guru, nor

> > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i

have

> > to get

> > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > affection,

> > > > that's it.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > >

> > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting,

so for

> > > > natives

> > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation

> > will be

> > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

development

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > ji's

> > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more

clarity

> > to the

> > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time

(it

> > varies

> > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity

such

> > that

> > > > that

> > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after

some

> > initial

> > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala

> > (which is

> > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of

> > view for

> > > > our

> > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

acting on

> > us

> > > > .Thus

> > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping

away

> > from

> > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

> > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the

Gnaana

> > will

> > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > (diversions) also

> > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in

> > handy to

> > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be

> > Rising

> > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times

as

> > > > discipline

> > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body

> > healthy.

> > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic

> > procedures

> > > > are

> > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

necessity

> > for

> > > > our

> > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail.

com>:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont

> > count,target

> > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> > counting,

> > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa

> > murthy adavi

> > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with

the

> > goal as

> > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of

the

> > Mantra

> > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> > develops the

> > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> > automatically

> > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas

etc).

> > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up

for

> > 2 or 3

> > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup

at

> > the same

> > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your

> > view is

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls.

stop

> > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and

then

> > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by

you

> > may be

> > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part

and

> > ur

> > > > part

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it

> > will be,

> > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out

> > limited

> > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual

> > growth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put

in

> > for ur's

> > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

counts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

interesting

> > and

> > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> > wonderful

> > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today

your

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in

the

> > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post,

> > there are

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > practices. 108

> > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we

have

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the

fact

> > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the

> > information

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the

moon is

> > away

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun

is

> > away

> > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to

> > deities

> > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya

> > desas of

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very

good

> > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras

has 4

> > Charan

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan

has 3

> > > > degree

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> > minutes to

> > > > 108

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle).

> > This

> > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

planets and

> > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand.

> > Further One

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu

mon

> > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some

> > remedies

> > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel

> > answers

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Litsol,

 

You compared Jyotish to Engineering which takes away all subtle and

refined glories of that Vedanga, which gives direct association of

Narayana. If one follows Brhat Samhita and Prasna Marga in learning

Jyotish then it is much more than just hobby. This forum's aspiration is

to appreciate depth of this Vedanga (representing eyes) and this

comparision altough can be personal preference will be rejected because

of tradition we try to follow.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

 

litsol napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No rafal,

> it's not like that.

>

> At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's

> replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to

> what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u

>

> I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in

> Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

> mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on earth,

> at home, in forests etc...

>

> then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

> remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

>

> Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not

> chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in North

> normally its done.

>

> And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

> devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra sadhana,

> perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do it

> this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most

> of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we

> think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, very

> difficult.

>

> what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation

> process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins diluting,

> and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial

> part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

> togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective gets

> fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being

> devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track.

>

> I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

>

> My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m not

> going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i will

> complete Garg Hora series.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

> shallow for

> > this Forum aspiration.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Rafel,

> > >

> > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with

> an

> > > engineer's approach.

> > >

> > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in

> > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r

> > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's

> not

> > > like that. there is no delay.

> > >

> > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

> depends

> > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > >

> > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > >

> > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > >

> > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > >

> > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish

> > > Vedanga

> > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go.

> But

> > > dont

> > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting

> > > proper

> > > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> > > understanding,

> > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> > > messaging

> > > > > same to many.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

> software

> > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality

> is

> > > beyond

> > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self

> > > awakening or

> > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is

> > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to

> others,

> > > by

> > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it.

> unless

> > > god

> > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this

> sort

> > > of

> > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will

> affect

> > > u only

> > > > > no one else.

> > > > >

> > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-

> > > Aham " no

> > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get

> > > cured by

> > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine

> to

> > > get

> > > > > cured " .

> > > > >

> > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the

> > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a

> > > guru, nor

> > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i

> have

> > > to get

> > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > > affection,

> > > > > that's it.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting,

> so for

> > > > > natives

> > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation

> > > will be

> > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> development

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > ji's

> > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more

> clarity

> > > to the

> > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time

> (it

> > > varies

> > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity

> such

> > > that

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after

> some

> > > initial

> > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala

> > > (which is

> > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of

> > > view for

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

> acting on

> > > us

> > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping

> away

> > > from

> > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object

> > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the

> Gnaana

> > > will

> > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in

> > > handy to

> > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be

> > > Rising

> > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times

> as

> > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body

> > > healthy.

> > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic

> > > procedures

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

> necessity

> > > for

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail.

> com>:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont

> > > count,target

> > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> > > counting,

> > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa

> > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with

> the

> > > goal as

> > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of

> the

> > > Mantra

> > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> > > develops the

> > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> > > automatically

> > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas

> etc).

> > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up

> for

> > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup

> at

> > > the same

> > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your

> > > view is

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls.

> stop

> > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and

> then

> > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by

> you

> > > may be

> > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part

> and

> > > ur

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it

> > > will be,

> > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out

> > > limited

> > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual

> > > growth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put

> in

> > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

> counts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> interesting

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today

> your

> > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in

> the

> > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post,

> > > there are

> > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > > practices. 108

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we

> have

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the

> fact

> > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the

> > > information

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the

> moon is

> > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun

> is

> > > away

> > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to

> > > deities

> > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya

> > > desas of

> > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very

> good

> > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras

> has 4

> > > Charan

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan

> has 3

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> > > minutes to

> > > > > 108

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle).

> > > This

> > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

> planets and

> > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand.

> > > Further One

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu

> mon

> > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some

> > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel

> > > answers

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Well Lalith:

 

If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I

can say....

 

And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited

the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant

Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming

he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants

Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a

bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the day;

as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to

stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful practice

that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and

occult matters. Please understand that.

 

There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who

will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to compare

astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as

possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in

this category.

3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their

Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant

Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

Vidyaa.

4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned by

vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and satisfaction.

They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results

(sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked knowledge

and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

 

You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is that

innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

ramblings.

 

Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik

Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God usually

never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may even

be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some

mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when they

switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees usually

take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

Lalith.

 

On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests,

rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What heights

of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). On

the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, etc......

He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru

should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his

shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his

habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May

Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the

hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching "

Rafalji!)

 

If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed

computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of girls " ,

and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will

learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta

and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will never

allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise your

discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good

elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as

philosophy).

 

Mohanraaam

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

rafal,

> it's not like that.

>

> At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's

> replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to

> what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u

>

> I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in

> Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

> mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on

earth,

> at home, in forests etc...

>

> then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

> remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

>

> Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not

> chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in

North

> normally its done.

>

> And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

> devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

sadhana,

> perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do

it

> this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most

> of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we

> think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult,

very

> difficult.

>

> what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation

> process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

diluting,

> and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial

> part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

> togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective

gets

> fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being

> devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track.

>

> I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

>

> My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m

not

> going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i

will

> complete Garg Hora series.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

> shallow for

> > this Forum aspiration.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal@

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Rafel,

> > >

> > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it

with

> an

> > > engineer's approach.

> > >

> > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters

in

> > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u

r

> > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u,

it's

> not

> > > like that. there is no delay.

> > >

> > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

> depends

> > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > >

> > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > >

> > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > >

> > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > >

> > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

inspirating

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat

Jyotish

> > > Vedanga

> > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to

go.

> But

> > > dont

> > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in

getting

> > > proper

> > > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and

japa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> > > understanding,

> > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> > > messaging

> > > > > same to many.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

> software

> > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

spirituality

> is

> > > beyond

> > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self

> > > awakening or

> > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god

is

> > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to

> others,

> > > by

> > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it.

> unless

> > > god

> > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this

> sort

> > > of

> > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will

> affect

> > > u only

> > > > > no one else.

> > > > >

> > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

repeating " So-

> > > Aham " no

> > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get

> > > cured by

> > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

medicine

> to

> > > get

> > > > > cured " .

> > > > >

> > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared

the

> > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher,

nor a

> > > guru, nor

> > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i

> have

> > > to get

> > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > > affection,

> > > > > that's it.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting,

> so for

> > > > > natives

> > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

speculation

> > > will be

> > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> development

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > ji's

> > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more

> clarity

> > > to the

> > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of

time

> (it

> > > varies

> > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity

> such

> > > that

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after

> some

> > > initial

> > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala

> > > (which is

> > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point

of

> > > view for

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

> acting on

> > > us

> > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping

> away

> > > from

> > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be

object

> > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the

> Gnaana

> > > will

> > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come

in

> > > handy to

> > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may

be

> > > Rising

> > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined

times

> as

> > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our

body

> > > healthy.

> > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic

> > > procedures

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

> necessity

> > > for

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

40gmail.

> com>:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont

> > > count,target

> > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> > > counting,

> > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa

> > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with

> the

> > > goal as

> > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha

of

> the

> > > Mantra

> > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> > > develops the

> > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> > > automatically

> > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas

> etc).

> > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake

up

> for

> > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

wakeup

> at

> > > the same

> > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala.

Your

> > > view is

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U

pls.

> stop

> > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego

and

> then

> > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted

by

> you

> > > may be

> > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his

part

> and

> > > ur

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken,

it

> > > will be,

> > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out

> > > limited

> > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

spiritual

> > > growth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u

put

> in

> > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

> counts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> interesting

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today

> your

> > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in

> the

> > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier

post,

> > > there are

> > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > > practices. 108

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While

we

> have

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the

> fact

> > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the

> > > information

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

response.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the

> moon is

> > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the

sun

> is

> > > away

> > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable

to

> > > deities

> > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya

> > > desas of

> > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very

> good

> > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras

> has 4

> > > Charan

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

Charan

> has 3

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> > > minutes to

> > > > > 108

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

(Circle).

> > > This

> > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

> planets and

> > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand.

> > > Further One

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he

is

> > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu

> mon

> > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that

some

> > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better

travel

> > > answers

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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Respected Mohanraaamji:

 

Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees

don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra shaastra

experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent

saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta will

be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which Dasa

Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her prayers in

the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These bhaktaas

did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on dot in

saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola mantraas " .

You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish more

knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place just as

Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of

these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the

paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she

deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

 

We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. Bhaktaas

can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra experts

chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! Yes...improper

chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as

proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be considered as

a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case, why

did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow Pandit

Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras though he

has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He never

compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for that

which most of us will never do. The words of such a person should

obviously carry more weight.

 

Abhishek.

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Well Lalith:

>

> If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I

> can say....

>

> And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited

> the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant

> Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming

> he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants

> Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a

> bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

day;

> as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to

> stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

practice

> that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and

> occult matters. Please understand that.

>

> There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who

> will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

compare

> astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as

> possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in

> this category.

> 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their

> Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant

> Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> Vidyaa.

> 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned

by

> vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

satisfaction.

> They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results

> (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

knowledge

> and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

>

> You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is

that

> innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> ramblings.

>

> Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik

> Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

usually

> never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

even

> be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some

> mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when

they

> switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

usually

> take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> Lalith.

>

> On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests,

> rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

heights

> of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!).

On

> the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

etc......

> He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru

> should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his

> shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his

> habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May

> Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the

> hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching "

> Rafalji!)

>

> If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed

> computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

girls " ,

> and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will

> learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta

> and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

never

> allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

your

> discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good

> elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as

> philosophy).

>

> Mohanraaam

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> rafal,

> > it's not like that.

> >

> > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

ur's

> > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to

> > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u

> >

> > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in

> > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

> > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on

> earth,

> > at home, in forests etc...

> >

> > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

> > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> >

> > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not

> > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in

> North

> > normally its done.

> >

> > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

> > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> sadhana,

> > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do

> it

> > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where

most

> > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if

we

> > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult,

> very

> > difficult.

> >

> > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

transformation

> > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> diluting,

> > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial

> > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

> > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective

> gets

> > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

being

> > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

track.

> >

> > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> >

> > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m

> not

> > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i

> will

> > complete Garg Hora series.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Litsol,

> > >

> > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

> > shallow for

> > > this Forum aspiration.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > >

> > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it

> with

> > an

> > > > engineer's approach.

> > > >

> > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

parameters

> in

> > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if

u

> r

> > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u,

> it's

> > not

> > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > >

> > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

> > depends

> > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > >

> > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > >

> > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > >

> > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> inspirating

> > > > ones.

> > > > >

> > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat

> Jyotish

> > > > Vedanga

> > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to

> go.

> > But

> > > > dont

> > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in

> getting

> > > > proper

> > > > > understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and

> japa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> > > > understanding,

> > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> > > > messaging

> > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

> > software

> > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> spirituality

> > is

> > > > beyond

> > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of

self

> > > > awakening or

> > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and

god

> is

> > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to

> > others,

> > > > by

> > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it.

> > unless

> > > > god

> > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid

this

> > sort

> > > > of

> > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

will

> > affect

> > > > u only

> > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> repeating " So-

> > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt

get

> > > > cured by

> > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> medicine

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

shared

> the

> > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher,

> nor a

> > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor

i

> > have

> > > > to get

> > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > > > affection,

> > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

counting,

> > so for

> > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> speculation

> > > > will be

> > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > development

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more

> > clarity

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of

> time

> > (it

> > > > varies

> > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

maturity

> > such

> > > > that

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

after

> > some

> > > > initial

> > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa

maala

> > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

point

> of

> > > > view for

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

> > acting on

> > > > us

> > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

keeping

> > away

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be

> object

> > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the

> > Gnaana

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will

come

> in

> > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals

may

> be

> > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined

> times

> > as

> > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our

> body

> > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

symbolic

> > > > procedures

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

> > necessity

> > > > for

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> 40gmail.

> > com>:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or

dont

> > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

srinivasa

> > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or

with

> > the

> > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

Devatha

> of

> > the

> > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas

> > etc).

> > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

wake

> up

> > for

> > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> wakeup

> > at

> > > > the same

> > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala.

> Your

> > > > view is

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U

> pls.

> > stop

> > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego

> and

> > then

> > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

chanted

> by

> > you

> > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his

> part

> > and

> > > > ur

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

awaken,

> it

> > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with

out

> > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> spiritual

> > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u

> put

> > in

> > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

> > counts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > interesting

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

today

> > your

> > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony "

in

> > the

> > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier

> post,

> > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While

> we

> > have

> > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of

the

> > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for

the

> > > > information

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> response.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the

> > moon is

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the

> sun

> > is

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

applicable

> to

> > > > deities

> > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108

divya

> > > > desas of

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a

very

> > good

> > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

Nakshtras

> > has 4

> > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> Charan

> > has 3

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> > > > minutes to

> > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> (Circle).

> > > > This

> > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

> > planets and

> > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

brahmand.

> > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e.

he

> is

> > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his

name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

babu

> > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that

> some

> > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better

> travel

> > > > answers

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

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Devotee = Bhakta,

 

right !!

 

and every one moves from Tamasik to Rajasik ...

 

right !!

 

when i tried astrology, out of curiosity, i contacted him, not to

him only, some 8-10 ... that's my wish.

 

 

remember, how lord rama was weeping ... , how shiva was being made

for their better half,i m looking for her, my better half.

 

Now, i think deeply.

 

but if u r in a move to establish panditji like kanchi sankaracharya,

 

i still have no problem, ask pandit ji first, in any case, he looks

wiser than u.

 

ok.

 

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Well Lalith:

>

> If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I

> can say....

>

> And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited

> the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant

> Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming

> he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants

> Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a

> bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

day;

> as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to

> stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

practice

> that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and

> occult matters. Please understand that.

>

> There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who

> will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

compare

> astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as

> possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in

> this category.

> 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their

> Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant

> Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> Vidyaa.

> 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned

by

> vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

satisfaction.

> They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results

> (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

knowledge

> and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

>

> You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is

that

> innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> ramblings.

>

> Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik

> Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

usually

> never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

even

> be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some

> mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when

they

> switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

usually

> take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> Lalith.

>

> On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests,

> rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

heights

> of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!).

On

> the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

etc......

> He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru

> should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his

> shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his

> habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May

> Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the

> hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching "

> Rafalji!)

>

> If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed

> computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

girls " ,

> and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will

> learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta

> and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

never

> allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

your

> discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good

> elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as

> philosophy).

>

> Mohanraaam

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> rafal,

> > it's not like that.

> >

> > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

ur's

> > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to

> > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u

> >

> > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in

> > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

> > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on

> earth,

> > at home, in forests etc...

> >

> > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

> > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> >

> > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not

> > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in

> North

> > normally its done.

> >

> > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

> > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> sadhana,

> > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do

> it

> > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where

most

> > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if

we

> > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult,

> very

> > difficult.

> >

> > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

transformation

> > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> diluting,

> > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial

> > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

> > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective

> gets

> > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

being

> > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

track.

> >

> > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> >

> > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m

> not

> > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i

> will

> > complete Garg Hora series.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Litsol,

> > >

> > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

> > shallow for

> > > this Forum aspiration.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > >

> > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it

> with

> > an

> > > > engineer's approach.

> > > >

> > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

parameters

> in

> > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if

u

> r

> > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u,

> it's

> > not

> > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > >

> > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

> > depends

> > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > >

> > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > >

> > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > >

> > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> inspirating

> > > > ones.

> > > > >

> > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat

> Jyotish

> > > > Vedanga

> > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to

> go.

> > But

> > > > dont

> > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in

> getting

> > > > proper

> > > > > understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and

> japa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur

> > > > understanding,

> > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r

> > > > messaging

> > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

> > software

> > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> spirituality

> > is

> > > > beyond

> > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of

self

> > > > awakening or

> > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and

god

> is

> > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to

> > others,

> > > > by

> > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it.

> > unless

> > > > god

> > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid

this

> > sort

> > > > of

> > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

will

> > affect

> > > > u only

> > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> repeating " So-

> > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt

get

> > > > cured by

> > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> medicine

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

shared

> the

> > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher,

> nor a

> > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor

i

> > have

> > > > to get

> > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > > > affection,

> > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

counting,

> > so for

> > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> speculation

> > > > will be

> > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt.

> > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > development

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more

> > clarity

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of

> time

> > (it

> > > > varies

> > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

maturity

> > such

> > > > that

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

after

> > some

> > > > initial

> > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa

maala

> > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

point

> of

> > > > view for

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

> > acting on

> > > > us

> > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

keeping

> > away

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be

> object

> > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the

> > Gnaana

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will

come

> in

> > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals

may

> be

> > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined

> times

> > as

> > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our

> body

> > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

symbolic

> > > > procedures

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

> > necessity

> > > > for

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> 40gmail.

> > com>:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or

dont

> > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no

> > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

srinivasa

> > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or

with

> > the

> > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

Devatha

> of

> > the

> > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one

> > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

> > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas

> > etc).

> > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

wake

> up

> > for

> > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> wakeup

> > at

> > > > the same

> > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala.

> Your

> > > > view is

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U

> pls.

> > stop

> > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego

> and

> > then

> > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

chanted

> by

> > you

> > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his

> part

> > and

> > > > ur

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

awaken,

> it

> > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with

out

> > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> spiritual

> > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u

> put

> > in

> > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

> > counts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > interesting

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

today

> > your

> > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos!

> > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony "

in

> > the

> > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier

> post,

> > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While

> we

> > have

> > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of

the

> > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for

the

> > > > information

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> response.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the

> > moon is

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the

> sun

> > is

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

applicable

> to

> > > > deities

> > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108

divya

> > > > desas of

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a

very

> > good

> > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

Nakshtras

> > has 4

> > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> Charan

> > has 3

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20

> > > > minutes to

> > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> (Circle).

> > > > This

> > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

> > planets and

> > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional

> > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

brahmand.

> > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e.

he

> is

> > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his

name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

babu

> > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that

> some

> > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better

> travel

> > > > answers

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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I was waiting for u dear..

 

why u took time ?

 

Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

 

Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a

mantra for lord krishna.

 

is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs

remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

 

why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

 

i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and

my hobbies ok.

 

there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish

things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

 

this is enough ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology ,

" abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti wrote:

>

> Respected Mohanraaamji:

>

> Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees

> don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra shaastra

> experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent

> saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta will

> be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which

Dasa

> Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

> consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her prayers

in

> the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

> shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

bhaktaas

> did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on dot

in

> saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

mantraas " .

> You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish more

> knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place just

as

> Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of

> these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the

> paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she

> deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

>

> We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

Bhaktaas

> can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra experts

> chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

> procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

Yes...improper

> chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as

> proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be considered

as

> a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case,

why

> did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

Pandit

> Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

> learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras though

he

> has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He

never

> compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for that

> which most of us will never do. The words of such a person should

> obviously carry more weight.

>

> Abhishek.

>

> vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Well Lalith:

> >

> > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much

I

> > can say....

> >

> > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have

edited

> > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't

chant

> > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and

assuming

> > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

chants

> > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As

a

> > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

> day;

> > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams

to

> > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

> practice

> > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual

and

> > occult matters. Please understand that.

> >

> > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees

who

> > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

> compare

> > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as

> > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall

in

> > this category.

> > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their

> > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant

> > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> > Vidyaa.

> > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

sanctioned

> by

> > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> satisfaction.

> > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

results

> > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> knowledge

> > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> >

> > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is

> that

> > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> > ramblings.

> >

> > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik

> > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

> usually

> > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

> even

> > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some

> > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when

> they

> > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

> usually

> > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> > Lalith.

> >

> > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

forests,

> > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

> heights

> > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!).

> On

> > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> etc......

> > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his

Guru

> > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his

> > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his

> > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable.

May

> > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the

> > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching "

> > Rafalji!)

> >

> > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

" Failed

> > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

> girls " ,

> > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much

will

> > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

vedanta

> > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

> never

> > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

> your

> > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good

> > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented

as

> > philosophy).

> >

> > Mohanraaam

> >

> > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > >

> > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> > rafal,

> > > it's not like that.

> > >

> > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

> ur's

> > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed

to

> > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for

u

> > >

> > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained

in

> > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their

> > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on

> > earth,

> > > at home, in forests etc...

> > >

> > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont

> > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > >

> > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are

not

> > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in

> > North

> > > normally its done.

> > >

> > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a

> > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> > sadhana,

> > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i

do

> > it

> > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where

> most

> > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if

> we

> > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult,

> > very

> > > difficult.

> > >

> > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> transformation

> > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> > diluting,

> > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

substantial

> > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing

> > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

objective

> > gets

> > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

> being

> > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

> track.

> > >

> > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > >

> > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i

m

> > not

> > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i

> > will

> > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > >

> > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too

> > > shallow for

> > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > >

> > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at

it

> > with

> > > an

> > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> parameters

> > in

> > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in

> > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought

if

> u

> > r

> > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell

u,

> > it's

> > > not

> > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked

> > > depends

> > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > > >

> > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his

> > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > > >

> > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> > inspirating

> > > > > ones.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat

> > Jyotish

> > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way

to

> > go.

> > > But

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in

> > getting

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and

> > japa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing

ur

> > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that

u r

> > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a

> > > software

> > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > spirituality

> > > is

> > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of

> self

> > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and

> god

> > is

> > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest

to

> > > others,

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel

it.

> > > unless

> > > > > god

> > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid

> this

> > > sort

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

> will

> > > affect

> > > > > u only

> > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > repeating " So-

> > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

doesnt

> get

> > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> > medicine

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

> shared

> > the

> > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

preecher,

> > nor a

> > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession,

nor

> i

> > > have

> > > > > to get

> > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of

> > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

> Gendarz

> > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> counting,

> > > so for

> > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> > speculation

> > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow

Pt.

> > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > > development

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in

more

> > > clarity

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree

of

> > time

> > > (it

> > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

> maturity

> > > such

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

> after

> > > some

> > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa

> maala

> > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

> point

> > of

> > > > > view for

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces

> > > acting on

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

> keeping

> > > away

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be

> > object

> > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase

the

> > > Gnaana

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will

> come

> > in

> > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals

> may

> > be

> > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined

> > times

> > > as

> > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping

our

> > body

> > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

> symbolic

> > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a

> > > necessity

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> > 40gmail.

> > > com>:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or

> dont

> > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with

no

> > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> srinivasa

> > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or

> with

> > > the

> > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

> Devatha

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as

one

> > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body

will

> > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of

malas

> > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

> wake

> > up

> > > for

> > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> > wakeup

> > > at

> > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on

Mala.

> > Your

> > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

rejected.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u,

U

> > pls.

> > > stop

> > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false

ego

> > and

> > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

> chanted

> > by

> > > you

> > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's

his

> > part

> > > and

> > > > > ur

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

> awaken,

> > it

> > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent

with

> out

> > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> > spiritual

> > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time

u

> > put

> > > in

> > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity

> > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > > interesting

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we

had a

> > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

> today

> > > your

> > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the

cosmos!

> > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

symphony "

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier

> > post,

> > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult

> > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

number...While

> > we

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of

> the

> > > fact

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for

> the

> > > > > information

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance -

the

> > > moon is

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and

the

> > sun

> > > is

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> applicable

> > to

> > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108

> divya

> > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a

> very

> > > good

> > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> Nakshtras

> > > has 4

> > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> > Charan

> > > has 3

> > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and

20

> > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> > (Circle).

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis,

> > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

dimensional

> > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

> brahmand.

> > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time

i.e.

> he

> > is

> > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his

> name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> babu

> > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of

you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason

that

> > some

> > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

> reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better

> > travel

> > > > > answers

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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And to tell u one more thing -

 

mantra and god's name is one and same thing.

 

both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is

itself a mantra. first understand that.

 

and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as beeja -

 

" Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah "

 

what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !!

 

" Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as beeja

right.

 

Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union with

God.

 

whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is one

and same thing.

 

 

if u think differently, u think, i dont bother.

 

 

ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

>

> I was waiting for u dear..

>

> why u took time ?

>

> Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

>

> Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a

> mantra for lord krishna.

>

> is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs

> remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

>

> why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

>

> i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and

> my hobbies ok.

>

> there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish

> things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

>

> this is enough ...

>

>

>

>

>

>

vedic astrology ,

> " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> >

> > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees

> > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

shaastra

> > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent

> > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta

will

> > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which

> Dasa

> > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

> > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

prayers

> in

> > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

> > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> bhaktaas

> > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on

dot

> in

> > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> mantraas " .

> > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish

more

> > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place

just

> as

> > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of

> > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the

> > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she

> > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> >

> > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

> Bhaktaas

> > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra

experts

> > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

> > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> Yes...improper

> > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as

> > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

considered

> as

> > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case,

> why

> > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

> Pandit

> > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

> > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

though

> he

> > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He

> never

> > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for

that

> > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

should

> > obviously carry more weight.

> >

> > Abhishek.

> >

> > vedic astrology ,

" mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Well Lalith:

> > >

> > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that

much

> I

> > > can say....

> > >

> > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have

> edited

> > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't

> chant

> > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and

> assuming

> > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

> chants

> > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert.

As

> a

> > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

> > day;

> > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

japams

> to

> > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

> > practice

> > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual

> and

> > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > >

> > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees

> who

> > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

> > compare

> > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far

as

> > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually

fall

> in

> > > this category.

> > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of

their

> > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not

chant

> > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> > > Vidyaa.

> > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> sanctioned

> > by

> > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > satisfaction.

> > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

> results

> > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> > knowledge

> > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > >

> > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer

is

> > that

> > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> > > ramblings.

> > >

> > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

saatwik

> > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

> > usually

> > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

> > even

> > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant

some

> > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when

> > they

> > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

> > usually

> > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> > > Lalith.

> > >

> > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> forests,

> > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

> > heights

> > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

disgusting!).

> > On

> > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> > etc......

> > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his

> Guru

> > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff

his

> > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And,

his

> > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable.

> May

> > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect

the

> > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is

" teaching "

> > > Rafalji!)

> > >

> > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

> " Failed

> > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

> > girls " ,

> > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much

> will

> > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

> vedanta

> > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

> > never

> > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

> > your

> > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some

good

> > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented

> as

> > > philosophy).

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam

> > >

> > > vedic astrology ,

" litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> > > rafal,

> > > > it's not like that.

> > > >

> > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

> > ur's

> > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay

heed

> to

> > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write

for

> u

> > > >

> > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

trained

> in

> > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings,

their

> > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water,

on

> > > earth,

> > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > >

> > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i

dont

> > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > >

> > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are

> not

> > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but

in

> > > North

> > > > normally its done.

> > > >

> > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being

a

> > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> > > sadhana,

> > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks,

i

> do

> > > it

> > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is

where

> > most

> > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being

if

> > we

> > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

difficult,

> > > very

> > > > difficult.

> > > >

> > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > transformation

> > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> > > diluting,

> > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> substantial

> > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such

thing

> > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> objective

> > > gets

> > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

> > being

> > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

> > track.

> > > >

> > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > >

> > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be,

i

> m

> > > not

> > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however.

i

> > > will

> > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > >

> > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are

too

> > > > shallow for

> > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at

> it

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> > parameters

> > > in

> > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement

in

> > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

thought

> if

> > u

> > > r

> > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell

> u,

> > > it's

> > > > not

> > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

clicked

> > > > depends

> > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for

his

> > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> > > inspirating

> > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You

treat

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long

way

> to

> > > go.

> > > > But

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You

in

> > > getting

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala

and

> > > japa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

developing

> ur

> > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond

that

> u r

> > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m

a

> > > > software

> > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > > spirituality

> > > > is

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss

of

> > self

> > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u

and

> > god

> > > is

> > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

suggest

> to

> > > > others,

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel

> it.

> > > > unless

> > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont

avoid

> > this

> > > > sort

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

> > will

> > > > affect

> > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

> doesnt

> > get

> > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> > > medicine

> > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

> > shared

> > > the

> > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> preecher,

> > > nor a

> > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession,

> nor

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind

of

> > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

> > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> > counting,

> > > > so for

> > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> > > speculation

> > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

follow

> Pt.

> > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > > > development

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in

> more

> > > > clarity

> > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

degree

> of

> > > time

> > > > (it

> > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

> > maturity

> > > > such

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

> > after

> > > > some

> > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the

japa

> > maala

> > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

> > point

> > > of

> > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive

forces

> > > > acting on

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

> > keeping

> > > > away

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to

be

> > > object

> > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase

> the

> > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures

will

> > come

> > > in

> > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

rituals

> > may

> > > be

> > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

defined

> > > times

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping

> our

> > > body

> > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

> > symbolic

> > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but

a

> > > > necessity

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> > > 40gmail.

> > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count

or

> > dont

> > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it

with

> no

> > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> > srinivasa

> > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/

or

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

> > Devatha

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as

> one

> > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body

> will

> > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of

> malas

> > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

> > wake

> > > up

> > > > for

> > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> > > wakeup

> > > > at

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on

> Mala.

> > > Your

> > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with

u,

> U

> > > pls.

> > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false

> ego

> > > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

> > chanted

> > > by

> > > > you

> > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's

> his

> > > part

> > > > and

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

> > awaken,

> > > it

> > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent

> with

> > out

> > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the

time

> u

> > > put

> > > > in

> > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart.

purity

> > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > > > interesting

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we

> had a

> > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

> > today

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the

> cosmos!

> > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> symphony "

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

earlier

> > > post,

> > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in

occult

> > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> number...While

> > > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight

of

> > the

> > > > fact

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just

for

> > the

> > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

<astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance -

> the

> > > > moon is

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and

> the

> > > sun

> > > > is

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> > applicable

> > > to

> > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the

108

> > divya

> > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is

a

> > very

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> > Nakshtras

> > > > has 4

> > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> > > Charan

> > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree

and

> 20

> > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> > > (Circle).

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

rashis,

> > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> dimensional

> > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

> > brahmand.

> > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time

> i.e.

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before

his

> > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>,

> > babu

> > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of

> you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason

> that

> > > some

> > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

> > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get

better

> > > travel

> > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Lalith:

 

Again the peak of ignorance from you!

 

Everything in the world - every language is composed of

aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama mantraas....It

is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that

there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they are

approached....

 

If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time

interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the learned

Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult experience

of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read

about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read that.....You

might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of

Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop spreading

your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of mysticism!

 

Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of the

aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you will

attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that

your idea?

 

You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try chanting

Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things?

 

Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the woodcutter

also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You are

the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted

philosophies just because you see other more talented and

knowledgeable members are posting matters on that.

 

In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there are

more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with my

imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well knowledgeable

in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august

group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you a

part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time and

again).

 

Abhishek

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

>

> And to tell u one more thing -

>

> mantra and god's name is one and same thing.

>

> both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is

> itself a mantra. first understand that.

>

> and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as beeja -

 

>

> " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah "

>

> what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !!

>

> " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as beeja

> right.

>

> Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union

with

> God.

>

> whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is

one

> and same thing.

>

>

> if u think differently, u think, i dont bother.

>

>

> ok.

>

>

>

>

>

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I was waiting for u dear..

> >

> > why u took time ?

> >

> > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

> >

> > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is

a

> > mantra for lord krishna.

> >

> > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let

thnigs

> > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

> >

> > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

> >

> > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering

and

> > my hobbies ok.

> >

> > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of

foolish

> > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

> >

> > this is enough ...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology ,

> > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > >

> > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india

devotees

> > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

> shaastra

> > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as

innocent

> > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta

> will

> > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which

> > Dasa

> > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

> > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

> prayers

> > in

> > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

> > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> > bhaktaas

> > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on

> dot

> > in

> > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> > mantraas " .

> > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish

> more

> > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place

> just

> > as

> > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers

of

> > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of

the

> > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/

she

> > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> > >

> > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

> > Bhaktaas

> > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra

> experts

> > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

> > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> > Yes...improper

> > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just

as

> > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

> considered

> > as

> > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the

case,

> > why

> > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

> > Pandit

> > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

> > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

> though

> > he

> > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He

> > never

> > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for

> that

> > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

> should

> > > obviously carry more weight.

> > >

> > > Abhishek.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology ,

> " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have

never

> > > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that

> much

> > I

> > > > can say....

> > > >

> > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have

> > edited

> > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't

> > chant

> > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and

> > assuming

> > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

> > chants

> > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert.

> As

> > a

> > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout

the

> > > day;

> > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

> japams

> > to

> > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

> > > practice

> > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in

ritual

> > and

> > > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > > >

> > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic

devotees

> > who

> > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

> > > compare

> > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far

> as

> > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually

> fall

> > in

> > > > this category.

> > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of

> their

> > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is

this

> > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not

> chant

> > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa

Mahaa

> > > > Vidyaa.

> > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to

the

> > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> > sanctioned

> > > by

> > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > > satisfaction.

> > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

> > results

> > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> > > knowledge

> > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > > >

> > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer

> is

> > > that

> > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with

your

> > > > ramblings.

> > > >

> > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

> saatwik

> > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

> > > usually

> > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert

may

> > > even

> > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant

> some

> > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But,

when

> > > they

> > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

> > > usually

> > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption

like

> > > > Lalith.

> > > >

> > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> > forests,

> > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

> > > heights

> > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

> disgusting!).

> > > On

> > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> > > etc......

> > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his

> > Guru

> > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff

> his

> > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And,

> his

> > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really

condemnable.

> > May

> > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect

> the

> > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than

trying

> > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is

> " teaching "

> > > > Rafalji!)

> > > >

> > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

> > " Failed

> > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

> > > girls " ,

> > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how

much

> > will

> > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

> > vedanta

> > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego

will

> > > never

> > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list

exercise

> > > your

> > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some

> good

> > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash

presented

> > as

> > > > philosophy).

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology ,

> " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain,

No

> > > > rafal,

> > > > > it's not like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i

read

> > > ur's

> > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay

> heed

> > to

> > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write

> for

> > u

> > > > >

> > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many

tantrik

> > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

> trained

> > in

> > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings,

> their

> > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water,

> on

> > > > earth,

> > > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i

> dont

> > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras

are

> > not

> > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but

> in

> > > > North

> > > > > normally its done.

> > > > >

> > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's

being

> a

> > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of

mantra

> > > > sadhana,

> > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power

packet,thinks,

> i

> > do

> > > > it

> > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is

> where

> > > most

> > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human

being

> if

> > > we

> > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

> difficult,

> > > > very

> > > > > difficult.

> > > > >

> > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > > transformation

> > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> > > > diluting,

> > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> > substantial

> > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such

> thing

> > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> > objective

> > > > gets

> > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple

and

> > > being

> > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the

right

> > > track.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > > >

> > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may

be,

> i

> > m

> > > > not

> > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently.

however.

> i

> > > > will

> > > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are

> too

> > > > > shallow for

> > > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking

at

> > it

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> > > parameters

> > > > in

> > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or

advancement

> in

> > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

> thought

> > if

> > > u

> > > > r

> > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to

tell

> > u,

> > > > it's

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

> clicked

> > > > > depends

> > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for

> his

> > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and

rules.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> > > > inspirating

> > > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You

> treat

> > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long

> way

> > to

> > > > go.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You

> in

> > > > getting

> > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala

> and

> > > > japa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

> developing

> > ur

> > > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond

> that

> > u r

> > > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i

m

> a

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > > > spirituality

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss

> of

> > > self

> > > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u

> and

> > > god

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

> suggest

> > to

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to

feel

> > it.

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont

> avoid

> > > this

> > > > > sort

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding,

it

> > > will

> > > > > affect

> > > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

> > doesnt

> > > get

> > > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take

the

> > > > medicine

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

> > > shared

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> > preecher,

> > > > nor a

> > > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my

profession,

> > nor

> > > i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a

kind

> of

> > > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

Rafal

> > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> > > counting,

> > > > > so for

> > > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> > > > speculation

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

> follow

> > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of

spiritual

> > > > > development

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings

in

> > more

> > > > > clarity

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

> degree

> > of

> > > > time

> > > > > (it

> > > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

> > > maturity

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine

forces

> > > after

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the

> japa

> > > maala

> > > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from

practical

> > > point

> > > > of

> > > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive

> forces

> > > > > acting on

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

> > > keeping

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to

> be

> > > > object

> > > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity

increase

> > the

> > > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive

forces

> > > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures

> will

> > > come

> > > > in

> > > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

> rituals

> > > may

> > > > be

> > > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

> defined

> > > > times

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through

keeping

> > our

> > > > body

> > > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

> > > symbolic

> > > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such)

but

> a

> > > > > necessity

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> > > > 40gmail.

> > > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count

> or

> > > dont

> > > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it

> with

> > no

> > > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> > > srinivasa

> > > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/

> or

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

> > > Devatha

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the

count;as

> > one

> > > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the

intellect/body

> > will

> > > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of

> > malas

> > > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if

we

> > > wake

> > > > up

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically

we

> > > > wakeup

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on

> > Mala.

> > > > Your

> > > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> > rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with

> u,

> > U

> > > > pls.

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives

false

> > ego

> > > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

> > > chanted

> > > > by

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count,

it's

> > his

> > > > part

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

> > > awaken,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent

> > with

> > > out

> > > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the

> time

> > u

> > > > put

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart.

> purity

> > > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday

we

> > had a

> > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit,

and

> > > today

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the

> > cosmos!

> > > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> > symphony "

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

> earlier

> > > > post,

> > > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in

> occult

> > > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> > number...While

> > > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose

sight

> of

> > > the

> > > > > fact

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this

significance -

> > the

> > > > > moon is

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter

and

> > the

> > > > sun

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> > > applicable

> > > > to

> > > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the

> 108

> > > divya

> > > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have

given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it

is

> a

> > > very

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> > > Nakshtras

> > > > > has 4

> > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan.

Each

> > > > Charan

> > > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree

> and

> > 20

> > > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one

cycle

> > > > (Circle).

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

> rashis,

> > > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> > dimensional

> > > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

> > > brahmand.

> > > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time

> > i.e.

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before

> his

> > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>,

> > > babu

> > > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all

of

> > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason

> > that

> > > > some

> > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

> astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide

a

> > > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> better

> > > > travel

> > > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

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Huh,

 

do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a

salvation, u will.

 

u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara'

means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak.

 

And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a

manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown out!!

 

well, u got to know what u deserve !!

 

with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded.

 

and i m n'joying !!

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

<abhishekpotti wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> Again the peak of ignorance from you!

>

> Everything in the world - every language is composed of

> aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama mantraas....It

> is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that

> there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they are

> approached....

>

> If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time

> interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the learned

> Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult

experience

> of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read

> about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read that.....You

> might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of

> Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop spreading

> your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of

mysticism!

>

> Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of the

> aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you will

> attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that

> your idea?

>

> You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try

chanting

> Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things?

>

> Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the

woodcutter

> also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You

are

> the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted

> philosophies just because you see other more talented and

> knowledgeable members are posting matters on that.

>

> In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there are

> more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with

my

> imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well knowledgeable

> in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august

> group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you a

> part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time

and

> again).

>

> Abhishek

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > And to tell u one more thing -

> >

> > mantra and god's name is one and same thing.

> >

> > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is

> > itself a mantra. first understand that.

> >

> > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as

beeja -

>

> >

> > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah "

> >

> > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !!

> >

> > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as

beeja

> > right.

> >

> > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union

> with

> > God.

> >

> > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is

> one

> > and same thing.

> >

> >

> > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother.

> >

> >

> > ok.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > I was waiting for u dear..

> > >

> > > why u took time ?

> > >

> > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

> > >

> > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh'

is

> a

> > > mantra for lord krishna.

> > >

> > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let

> thnigs

> > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

> > >

> > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

> > >

> > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering

> and

> > > my hobbies ok.

> > >

> > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of

> foolish

> > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

> > >

> > > this is enough ...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology ,

> > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > > >

> > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india

> devotees

> > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

> > shaastra

> > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as

> innocent

> > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik

bhakta

> > will

> > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say

which

> > > Dasa

> > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in

Krishna

> > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

> > prayers

> > > in

> > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not

mantra

> > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> > > bhaktaas

> > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was

on

> > dot

> > > in

> > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> > > mantraas " .

> > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish

> > more

> > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place

> > just

> > > as

> > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers

> of

> > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of

> the

> > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/

> she

> > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> > > >

> > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

> > > Bhaktaas

> > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra

> > experts

> > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt

ritual

> > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> > > Yes...improper

> > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just

> as

> > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

> > considered

> > > as

> > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the

> case,

> > > why

> > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

> > > Pandit

> > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He

is

> > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

> > though

> > > he

> > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life.

He

> > > never

> > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for

> > that

> > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

> > should

> > > > obviously carry more weight.

> > > >

> > > > Abhishek.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology ,

> > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Well Lalith:

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have

> never

> > > > > approached a professional astrologer for

consultation...that

> > much

> > > I

> > > > > can say....

> > > > >

> > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you

have

> > > edited

> > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees

don't

> > > chant

> > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and

> > > assuming

> > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

> > > chants

> > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra

expert.

> > As

> > > a

> > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout

> the

> > > > day;

> > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

> > japams

> > > to

> > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this

wonderful

> > > > practice

> > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in

> ritual

> > > and

> > > > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic

> devotees

> > > who

> > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare

to

> > > > compare

> > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as

far

> > as

> > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods

for

> > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually

> > fall

> > > in

> > > > > this category.

> > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of

> > their

> > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is

> this

> > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not

> > chant

> > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa

> Mahaa

> > > > > Vidyaa.

> > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to

project

> > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to

> the

> > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> > > sanctioned

> > > > by

> > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > > > satisfaction.

> > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

> > > results

> > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only

prayer

> > is

> > > > that

> > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with

> your

> > > > > ramblings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

> > saatwik

> > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on

God

> > > > usually

> > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class

of

> > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert

> may

> > > > even

> > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant

> > some

> > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But,

> when

> > > > they

> > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened

devotees

> > > > usually

> > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption

> like

> > > > > Lalith.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> > > forests,

> > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here!

What

> > > > heights

> > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

> > disgusting!).

> > > > On

> > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> > > > etc......

> > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only

his

> > > Guru

> > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to

stuff

> > his

> > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible.

And,

> > his

> > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really

> condemnable.

> > > May

> > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to

respect

> > the

> > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than

> trying

> > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is

> > " teaching "

> > > > > Rafalji!)

> > > > >

> > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

> > > " Failed

> > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing

of

> > > > girls " ,

> > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how

> much

> > > will

> > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

> > > vedanta

> > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego

> will

> > > > never

> > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list

> exercise

> > > > your

> > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless

some

> > good

> > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash

> presented

> > > as

> > > > > philosophy).

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohanraaam

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the

domain,

> No

> > > > > rafal,

> > > > > > it's not like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i

> read

> > > > ur's

> > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay

> > heed

> > > to

> > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did

write

> > for

> > > u

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many

> tantrik

> > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

> > trained

> > > in

> > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings,

> > their

> > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on

water,

> > on

> > > > > earth,

> > > > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry

i

> > dont

> > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India

but

> > in

> > > > > North

> > > > > > normally its done.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's

> being

> > a

> > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of

> mantra

> > > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power

> packet,thinks,

> > i

> > > do

> > > > > it

> > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is

> > where

> > > > most

> > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human

> being

> > if

> > > > we

> > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

> > difficult,

> > > > > very

> > > > > > difficult.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > > > transformation

> > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma

begins

> > > > > diluting,

> > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> > > substantial

> > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such

> > thing

> > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> > > objective

> > > > > gets

> > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple

> and

> > > > being

> > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the

> right

> > > > track.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may

> be,

> > i

> > > m

> > > > > not

> > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently.

> however.

> > i

> > > > > will

> > > > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they

are

> > too

> > > > > > shallow for

> > > > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be

looking

> at

> > > it

> > > > > with

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> > > > parameters

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or

> advancement

> > in

> > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

> > thought

> > > if

> > > > u

> > > > > r

> > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to

> tell

> > > u,

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

> > clicked

> > > > > > depends

> > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get

clicked.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just

for

> > his

> > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute

too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and

> rules.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal

> Gendarz

> > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience -

very

> > > > > inspirating

> > > > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You

> > treat

> > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a

long

> > way

> > > to

> > > > > go.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help

You

> > in

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the

mala

> > and

> > > > > japa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

> > developing

> > > ur

> > > > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond

> > that

> > > u r

> > > > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like

i

> m

> > a

> > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the

bliss

> > of

> > > > self

> > > > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel

u

> > and

> > > > god

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

> > suggest

> > > to

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to

> feel

> > > it.

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont

> > avoid

> > > > this

> > > > > > sort

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and

understanding,

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > > affect

> > > > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

> > > doesnt

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take

> the

> > > > > medicine

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here,

i

> > > > shared

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> > > preecher,

> > > > > nor a

> > > > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my

> profession,

> > > nor

> > > > i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a

> kind

> > of

> > > > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> Rafal

> > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> > > > counting,

> > > > > > so for

> > > > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any

other

> > > > > speculation

> > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

> > follow

> > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of

> spiritual

> > > > > > development

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings

> in

> > > more

> > > > > > clarity

> > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

> > degree

> > > of

> > > > > time

> > > > > > (it

> > > > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such

inbuilt

> > > > maturity

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine

> forces

> > > > after

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the

> > japa

> > > > maala

> > > > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from

> practical

> > > > point

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive

> > forces

> > > > > > acting on

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us

in

> > > > keeping

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory

to

> > be

> > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity

> increase

> > > the

> > > > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive

> forces

> > > > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures

> > will

> > > > come

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

> > rituals

> > > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi

muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

> > defined

> > > > > times

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through

> keeping

> > > our

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so

called

> > > > symbolic

> > > > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such)

> but

> > a

> > > > > > necessity

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra.

lalit%

> > > > > 40gmail.

> > > > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we

count

> > or

> > > > dont

> > > > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it

> > with

> > > no

> > > > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > > srinivasa

> > > > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views

have/

> > or

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards

adhistana

> > > > Devatha

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the

> count;as

> > > one

> > > > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the

> intellect/body

> > > will

> > > > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help

of

> > > malas

> > > > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock

if

> we

> > > > wake

> > > > > up

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then

automatically

> we

> > > > > wakeup

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa

on

> > > Mala.

> > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> > > rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share

with

> > u,

> > > U

> > > > > pls.

> > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives

> false

> > > ego

> > > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the

mantra

> > > > chanted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count,

> it's

> > > his

> > > > > part

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has

to

> > > > awaken,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more

intelligent

> > > with

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in

our

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the

> > time

> > > u

> > > > > put

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart.

> > purity

> > > > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting

very

> > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday

> we

> > > had a

> > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit,

> and

> > > > today

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of

the

> > > cosmos!

> > > > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> > > symphony "

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

> > earlier

> > > > > post,

> > > > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in

> > occult

> > > > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> > > number...While

> > > > > we

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose

> sight

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is

just

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this

wonderful

> > > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this

> significance -

> > > the

> > > > > > moon is

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter

> and

> > > the

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> > > > applicable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by

the

> > 108

> > > > divya

> > > > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have

> given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it

> is

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> > > > Nakshtras

> > > > > > has 4

> > > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan.

> Each

> > > > > Charan

> > > > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3

degree

> > and

> > > 20

> > > > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one

> cycle

> > > > > (Circle).

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

> > rashis,

> > > > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> > > dimensional

> > > > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of

this

> > > > brahmand.

> > > > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one

time

> > > i.e.

> > > > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri

before

> > his

> > > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > com>,

> > > > babu

> > > > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for

all

> of

> > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the

reason

> > > that

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to

provide

> a

> > > > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

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> --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get

> > better

> > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

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Oye Lalith:

 

that Mara Mara was initiated by Sage Naarada....the background was

different.....Sage Vaalmiiki had a curse that he will forget the

mantra that he is initiated into and he will be impelled to chant it

in reverse....So, sage Naarada intelligently gave the reverse of the

mantra so that with time Sage Vaalmiiki chanted the raama name

perfectly after which he got salvation.

 

Incidentally, Ant hills grew around him because he did not move for

long periods. Only after such intense tapasya did Vaalmiii get

wisdom. Not merely by chanting in buses and trains.......

 

By the way, if you think chanting " idiot " will give you salvation,

keep doing it! May be you will get perfection in " idiocy " ....you are

nearing your perfection....that siddhi of idiocy is at arms' reach

for you. March on Hero to the Glorious siddhi of idiocy!

 

Abhishek.

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Huh,

>

> do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a

> salvation, u will.

>

> u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara'

> means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak.

>

> And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a

> manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown out!!

>

> well, u got to know what u deserve !!

>

> with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded.

>

> and i m n'joying !!

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

> <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > Again the peak of ignorance from you!

> >

> > Everything in the world - every language is composed of

> > aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama

mantraas....It

> > is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that

> > there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they

are

> > approached....

> >

> > If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time

> > interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the

learned

> > Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult

> experience

> > of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read

> > about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read

that.....You

> > might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of

> > Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop

spreading

> > your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of

> mysticism!

> >

> > Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of

the

> > aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you

will

> > attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that

> > your idea?

> >

> > You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try

> chanting

> > Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things?

> >

> > Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the

> woodcutter

> > also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You

> are

> > the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted

> > philosophies just because you see other more talented and

> > knowledgeable members are posting matters on that.

> >

> > In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there

are

> > more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with

> my

> > imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well

knowledgeable

> > in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august

> > group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you

a

> > part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time

> and

> > again).

> >

> > Abhishek

> >

> > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > And to tell u one more thing -

> > >

> > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing.

> > >

> > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is

> > > itself a mantra. first understand that.

> > >

> > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as

> beeja -

> >

> > >

> > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah "

> > >

> > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !!

> > >

> > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as

> beeja

> > > right.

> > >

> > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur

union

> > with

> > > God.

> > >

> > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it

is

> > one

> > > and same thing.

> > >

> > >

> > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother.

> > >

> > >

> > > ok.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I was waiting for u dear..

> > > >

> > > > why u took time ?

> > > >

> > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

> > > >

> > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya

Namh'

> is

> > a

> > > > mantra for lord krishna.

> > > >

> > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let

> > thnigs

> > > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

> > > >

> > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of

guru.

> > > >

> > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software

engineering

> > and

> > > > my hobbies ok.

> > > >

> > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of

> > foolish

> > > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains

here.

> > > >

> > > > this is enough ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > > > >

> > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india

> > devotees

> > > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

> > > shaastra

> > > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as

> > innocent

> > > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik

> bhakta

> > > will

> > > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say

> which

> > > > Dasa

> > > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in

> Krishna

> > > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

> > > prayers

> > > > in

> > > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not

> mantra

> > > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> > > > bhaktaas

> > > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was

> on

> > > dot

> > > > in

> > > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> > > > mantraas " .

> > > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I

wish

> > > more

> > > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their

place

> > > just

> > > > as

> > > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive

readers

> > of

> > > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which

of

> > the

> > > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as

he/

> > she

> > > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> > > > >

> > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti

doctrines.

> > > > Bhaktaas

> > > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra

> > > experts

> > > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt

> ritual

> > > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> > > > Yes...improper

> > > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also

just

> > as

> > > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

> > > considered

> > > > as

> > > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the

> > case,

> > > > why

> > > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously?

Rafalji,

> > > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to

follow

> > > > Pandit

> > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams.

He

> is

> > > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

> > > though

> > > > he

> > > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal

life.

> He

> > > > never

> > > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price

for

> > > that

> > > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

> > > should

> > > > > obviously carry more weight.

> > > > >

> > > > > Abhishek.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well Lalith:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have

> > never

> > > > > > approached a professional astrologer for

> consultation...that

> > > much

> > > > I

> > > > > > can say....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong?

He

> > > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you

> have

> > > > edited

> > > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees

> don't

> > > > chant

> > > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth

and

> > > > assuming

> > > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji

himself

> > > > chants

> > > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra

> expert.

> > > As

> > > > a

> > > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa

throughout

> > the

> > > > > day;

> > > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

> > > japams

> > > > to

> > > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this

> wonderful

> > > > > practice

> > > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in

> > ritual

> > > > and

> > > > > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic

> > devotees

> > > > who

> > > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not

dare

> to

> > > > > compare

> > > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as

> far

> > > as

> > > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods

> for

> > > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts

usually

> > > fall

> > > > in

> > > > > > this category.

> > > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory

of

> > > their

> > > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It

is

> > this

> > > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will

not

> > > chant

> > > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa

> > Mahaa

> > > > > > Vidyaa.

> > > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to

> project

> > > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal

to

> > the

> > > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> > > > sanctioned

> > > > > by

> > > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > > > > satisfaction.

> > > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not

get

> > > > results

> > > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-

baked

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only

> prayer

> > > is

> > > > > that

> > > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked

with

> > your

> > > > > > ramblings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

> > > saatwik

> > > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on

> God

> > > > > usually

> > > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class

> of

> > > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra

expert

> > may

> > > > > even

> > > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes

chant

> > > some

> > > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical

issues......But,

> > when

> > > > > they

> > > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened

> devotees

> > > > > usually

> > > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on

assumption

> > like

> > > > > > Lalith.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> > > > forests,

> > > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here!

> What

> > > > > heights

> > > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

> > > disgusting!).

> > > > > On

> > > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses,

trains,

> > > > > etc......

> > > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only

> his

> > > > Guru

> > > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to

> stuff

> > > his

> > > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible.

> And,

> > > his

> > > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really

> > condemnable.

> > > > May

> > > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to

> respect

> > > the

> > > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than

> > trying

> > > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is

> > > " teaching "

> > > > > > Rafalji!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on

a

> > > > " Failed

> > > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing

> of

> > > > > girls " ,

> > > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how

> > much

> > > > will

> > > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion

to

> > > > vedanta

> > > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated

ego

> > will

> > > > > never

> > > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list

> > exercise

> > > > > your

> > > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless

> some

> > > good

> > > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash

> > presented

> > > > as

> > > > > > philosophy).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the

> domain,

> > No

> > > > > > rafal,

> > > > > > > it's not like that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning,

i

> > read

> > > > > ur's

> > > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to

pay

> > > heed

> > > > to

> > > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did

> write

> > > for

> > > > u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many

> > tantrik

> > > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

> > > trained

> > > > in

> > > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their

doings,

> > > their

> > > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on

> water,

> > > on

> > > > > > earth,

> > > > > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but

sorry

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that

BeejMantras

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India

> but

> > > in

> > > > > > North

> > > > > > > normally its done.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's

> > being

> > > a

> > > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of

> > mantra

> > > > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power

> > packet,thinks,

> > > i

> > > > do

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this

is

> > > where

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human

> > being

> > > if

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

> > > difficult,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > difficult.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > > > > transformation

> > > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma

> begins

> > > > > > diluting,

> > > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> > > > substantial

> > > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many

such

> > > thing

> > > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> > > > objective

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being

simple

> > and

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the

> > right

> > > > > track.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so,

may

> > be,

> > > i

> > > > m

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently.

> > however.

> > > i

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they

> are

> > > too

> > > > > > > shallow for

> > > > > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be

> looking

> > at

> > > > it

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put

our

> > > > > parameters

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or

> > advancement

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay "

or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

> > > thought

> > > > if

> > > > > u

> > > > > > r

> > > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted

to

> > tell

> > > > u,

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

> > > clicked

> > > > > > > depends

> > > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get

> clicked.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just

> for

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute

> too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and

> > rules.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal

> > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience -

> very

> > > > > > inspirating

> > > > > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If

You

> > > treat

> > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a

> long

> > > way

> > > > to

> > > > > > go.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help

> You

> > > in

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the

> mala

> > > and

> > > > > > japa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

> > > developing

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going

beyond

> > > that

> > > > u r

> > > > > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession,

like

> i

> > m

> > > a

> > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my

profession.

> > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the

> bliss

> > > of

> > > > > self

> > > > > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u

feel

> u

> > > and

> > > > > god

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

> > > suggest

> > > > to

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to

> > feel

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u

dont

> > > avoid

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > sort

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and

> understanding,

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > affect

> > > > > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > > > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like

one

> > > > doesnt

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to

take

> > the

> > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed

here,

> i

> > > > > shared

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> > > > preecher,

> > > > > > nor a

> > > > > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my

> > profession,

> > > > nor

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness

a

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> > Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than

just

> > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > so for

> > > > > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any

> other

> > > > > > speculation

> > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

> > > follow

> > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > development

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which

brings

> > in

> > > > more

> > > > > > > clarity

> > > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

> > > degree

> > > > of

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > (it

> > > > > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such

> inbuilt

> > > > > maturity

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine

> > forces

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in

the

> > > japa

> > > > > maala

> > > > > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from

> > practical

> > > > > point

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away

destructive

> > > forces

> > > > > > > acting on

> > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help

us

> in

> > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our

memory

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity

> > increase

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive

> > forces

> > > > > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic

procedures

> > > will

> > > > > come

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

> > > rituals

> > > > > may

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi

> muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

> > > defined

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through

> > keeping

> > > > our

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so

> called

> > > > > symbolic

> > > > > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as

such)

> > but

> > > a

> > > > > > > necessity

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we

can.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra.

> lalit%

> > > > > > 40gmail.

> > > > > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we

> count

> > > or

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got

it

> > > with

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>,

> > > > > srinivasa

> > > > > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views

> have/

> > > or

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards

> adhistana

> > > > > Devatha

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the

> > count;as

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the

> > intellect/body

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-

help

> of

> > > > malas

> > > > > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock

> if

> > we

> > > > > wake

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then

> automatically

> > we

> > > > > > wakeup

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra

Japa

> on

> > > > Mala.

> > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> > > > rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share

> with

> > > u,

> > > > U

> > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives

> > false

> > > > ego

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired

results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the

> mantra

> > > > > chanted

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count,

> > it's

> > > > his

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra

has

> to

> > > > > awaken,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more

> intelligent

> > > > with

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in

> our

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about

the

> > > time

> > > > u

> > > > > > put

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure

heart.

> > > purity

> > > > > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting

> very

> > > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members.

Yesterday

> > we

> > > > had a

> > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil

Dikshit,

> > and

> > > > > today

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of

> the

> > > > cosmos!

> > > > > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> > > > symphony "

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

> > > earlier

> > > > > > post,

> > > > > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant

in

> > > occult

> > > > > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> > > > number...While

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose

> > sight

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is

> just

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this

> wonderful

> > > > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. --- In

vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this

> > significance -

> > > > the

> > > > > > > moon is

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's)

diameter

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances

is

> > > > > applicable

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by

> the

> > > 108

> > > > > divya

> > > > > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

.

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have

> > given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but

it

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and

every

> > > > > Nakshtras

> > > > > > > has 4

> > > > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108

Charan.

> > Each

> > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3

> degree

> > > and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one

> > cycle

> > > > > > (Circle).

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

> > > rashis,

> > > > > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> > > > dimensional

> > > > > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of

> this

> > > > > brahmand.

> > > > > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one

> time

> > > > i.e.

> > > > > he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri

> before

> > > his

> > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> > .

> > > com

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This interesting discovery, the new mantra - " idiot ... idiot " is

done by you, not by me, i only gave a hint to you, pls. do a

purascharan of 10,000 repeatitions, will get u some good results.

 

:)

 

let's take it seriously, i vaguely remeber, once i partially read a

book, no, perhapse, i read it's reference - " nighantu " , it has

meanings of all the akschhar's of a varnmala, perhapse,all the dhatu

rup's are also explained there.

 

other seniors may tell u more.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

<abhishekpotti wrote:

>

> Oye Lalith:

>

> that Mara Mara was initiated by Sage Naarada....the background was

> different.....Sage Vaalmiiki had a curse that he will forget the

> mantra that he is initiated into and he will be impelled to chant

it

> in reverse....So, sage Naarada intelligently gave the reverse of

the

> mantra so that with time Sage Vaalmiiki chanted the raama name

> perfectly after which he got salvation.

>

> Incidentally, Ant hills grew around him because he did not move for

> long periods. Only after such intense tapasya did Vaalmiii get

> wisdom. Not merely by chanting in buses and trains.......

>

> By the way, if you think chanting " idiot " will give you salvation,

> keep doing it! May be you will get perfection in " idiocy " ....you

are

> nearing your perfection....that siddhi of idiocy is at arms' reach

> for you. March on Hero to the Glorious siddhi of idiocy!

>

> Abhishek.

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Huh,

> >

> > do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a

> > salvation, u will.

> >

> > u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara'

> > means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak.

> >

> > And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a

> > manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown

out!!

> >

> > well, u got to know what u deserve !!

> >

> > with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded.

> >

> > and i m n'joying !!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

> > <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalith:

> > >

> > > Again the peak of ignorance from you!

> > >

> > > Everything in the world - every language is composed of

> > > aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama

> mantraas....It

> > > is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point

that

> > > there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they

> are

> > > approached....

> > >

> > > If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time

> > > interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the

> learned

> > > Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult

> > experience

> > > of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not

read

> > > about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read

> that.....You

> > > might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of

> > > Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop

> spreading

> > > your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of

> > mysticism!

> > >

> > > Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of

> the

> > > aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you

> will

> > > attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is

that

> > > your idea?

> > >

> > > You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try

> > chanting

> > > Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things?

> > >

> > > Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the

> > woodcutter

> > > also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol?

You

> > are

> > > the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted

> > > philosophies just because you see other more talented and

> > > knowledgeable members are posting matters on that.

> > >

> > > In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there

> are

> > > more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group

with

> > my

> > > imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well

> knowledgeable

> > > in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this

august

> > > group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And

you

> a

> > > part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues

time

> > and

> > > again).

> > >

> > > Abhishek

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And to tell u one more thing -

> > > >

> > > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing.

> > > >

> > > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala

is

> > > > itself a mantra. first understand that.

> > > >

> > > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as

> > beeja -

> > >

> > > >

> > > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah "

> > > >

> > > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !!

> > > >

> > > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as

> > beeja

> > > > right.

> > > >

> > > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur

> union

> > > with

> > > > God.

> > > >

> > > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it

> is

> > > one

> > > > and same thing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ok.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I was waiting for u dear..

> > > > >

> > > > > why u took time ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya

> Namh'

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > mantra for lord krishna.

> > > > >

> > > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let

> > > thnigs

> > > > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of

> guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software

> engineering

> > > and

> > > > > my hobbies ok.

> > > > >

> > > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of

> > > foolish

> > > > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains

> here.

> > > > >

> > > > > this is enough ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india

> > > devotees

> > > > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > > > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

> > > > shaastra

> > > > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as

> > > innocent

> > > > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik

> > bhakta

> > > > will

> > > > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say

> > which

> > > > > Dasa

> > > > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in

> > Krishna

> > > > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were

her

> > > > prayers

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not

> > mantra

> > > > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam.

These

> > > > > bhaktaas

> > > > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi

was

> > on

> > > > dot

> > > > > in

> > > > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> > > > > mantraas " .

> > > > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I

> wish

> > > > more

> > > > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their

> place

> > > > just

> > > > > as

> > > > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive

> readers

> > > of

> > > > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as

> he/

> > > she

> > > > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of

procedures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti

> doctrines.

> > > > > Bhaktaas

> > > > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra

shaastra

> > > > experts

> > > > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt

> > ritual

> > > > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> > > > > Yes...improper

> > > > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also

> just

> > > as

> > > > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

> > > > considered

> > > > > as

> > > > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not

the

> > > case,

> > > > > why

> > > > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously?

> Rafalji,

> > > > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to

> follow

> > > > > Pandit

> > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams.

> He

> > is

> > > > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the

shaastras

> > > > though

> > > > > he

> > > > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal

> life.

> > He

> > > > > never

> > > > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price

> for

> > > > that

> > > > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a

person

> > > > should

> > > > > > obviously carry more weight.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Abhishek.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well Lalith:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would

have

> > > never

> > > > > > > approached a professional astrologer for

> > consultation...that

> > > > much

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > can say....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong?

> He

> > > > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you

> > have

> > > > > edited

> > > > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees

> > don't

> > > > > chant

> > > > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth

> and

> > > > > assuming

> > > > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji

> himself

> > > > > chants

> > > > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra

> > expert.

> > > > As

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa

> throughout

> > > the

> > > > > > day;

> > > > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola

mantra

> > > > japams

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this

> > wonderful

> > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in

> > > ritual

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic

> > > devotees

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not

> dare

> > to

> > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines

as

> > far

> > > > as

> > > > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-

Gods

> > for

> > > > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts

> usually

> > > > fall

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > this category.

> > > > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory

> of

> > > > their

> > > > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It

> is

> > > this

> > > > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will

> not

> > > > chant

> > > > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do

Dasa

> > > Mahaa

> > > > > > > Vidyaa.

> > > > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to

> > project

> > > > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> > > > > sanctioned

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > > > > > satisfaction.

> > > > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not

> get

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-

> baked

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only

> > prayer

> > > > is

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked

> with

> > > your

> > > > > > > ramblings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said

that

> > > > saatwik

> > > > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love

on

> > God

> > > > > > usually

> > > > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one

class

> > of

> > > > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra

> expert

> > > may

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes

> chant

> > > > some

> > > > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical

> issues......But,

> > > when

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened

> > devotees

> > > > > > usually

> > > > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on

> assumption

> > > like

> > > > > > > Lalith.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants

in

> > > > > forests,

> > > > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here!

> > What

> > > > > > heights

> > > > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

> > > > disgusting!).

> > > > > > On

> > > > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses,

> trains,

> > > > > > etc......

> > > > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues.

Only

> > his

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to

> > stuff

> > > > his

> > > > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible.

> > And,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really

> > > condemnable.

> > > > > May

> > > > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to

> > respect

> > > > the

> > > > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather

than

> > > trying

> > > > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is

> > > > " teaching "

> > > > > > > Rafalji!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life

on

> a

> > > > > " Failed

> > > > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email

chasing

> > of

> > > > > > girls " ,

> > > > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims,

how

> > > much

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion

> to

> > > > > vedanta

> > > > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated

> ego

> > > will

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list

> > > exercise

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash

> > > presented

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > philosophy).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mohanraaam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the

> > domain,

> > > No

> > > > > > > rafal,

> > > > > > > > it's not like that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m

learning,

> i

> > > read

> > > > > > ur's

> > > > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to

> pay

> > > > heed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did

> > write

> > > > for

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many

> > > tantrik

> > > > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great

tantriks

> > > > trained

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their

> doings,

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on

> > water,

> > > > on

> > > > > > > earth,

> > > > > > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but

> sorry

> > i

> > > > dont

> > > > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming

that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that

> BeejMantras

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South

India

> > but

> > > > in

> > > > > > > North

> > > > > > > > normally its done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in

one's

> > > being

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of

> > > mantra

> > > > > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power

> > > packet,thinks,

> > > > i

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this

> is

> > > > where

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good

human

> > > being

> > > > if

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

> > > > difficult,

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > difficult.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > > > > > transformation

> > > > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma

> > begins

> > > > > > > diluting,

> > > > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> > > > > substantial

> > > > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many

> such

> > > > thing

> > > > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace

ur

> > > > > objective

> > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being

> simple

> > > and

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on

the

> > > right

> > > > > > track.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so,

> may

> > > be,

> > > > i

> > > > > m

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently.

> > > however.

> > > > i

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as

they

> > are

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > shallow for

> > > > > > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be

> > looking

> > > at

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put

> our

> > > > > > parameters

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or

> > > advancement

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay "

> or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality,

I

> > > > thought

> > > > > if

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > r

> > > > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted

> to

> > > tell

> > > > > u,

> > > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r

getting

> > > > clicked

> > > > > > > > depends

> > > > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get

> > clicked.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " )

just

> > for

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next

minute

> > too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort

and

> > > rules.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal

> > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience -

> > very

> > > > > > > inspirating

> > > > > > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If

> You

> > > > treat

> > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a

> > long

> > > > way

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > go.

> > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to

help

> > You

> > > > in

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about

the

> > mala

> > > > and

> > > > > > > japa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

> > > > developing

> > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going

> beyond

> > > > that

> > > > > u r

> > > > > > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession,

> like

> > i

> > > m

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my

> profession.

> > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the

> > bliss

> > > > of

> > > > > > self

> > > > > > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u

> feel

> > u

> > > > and

> > > > > > god

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and

then

> > > > suggest

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going

to

> > > feel

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u

> dont

> > > > avoid

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > sort

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and

> > understanding,

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > affect

> > > > > > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By

mere

> > > > > > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like

> one

> > > > > doesnt

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to

> take

> > > the

> > > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed

> here,

> > i

> > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not

a

> > > > > preecher,

> > > > > > > nor a

> > > > > > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my

> > > profession,

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of

friendliness

> a

> > > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > Rafal

> > > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than

> just

> > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > so for

> > > > > > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any

> > other

> > > > > > > speculation

> > > > > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We

should

> > > > follow

> > > > > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > development

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which

> brings

> > > in

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > clarity

> > > > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to

what

> > > > degree

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > (it

> > > > > > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such

> > inbuilt

> > > > > > maturity

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine

> > > forces

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in

> the

> > > > japa

> > > > > > maala

> > > > > > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from

> > > practical

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away

> destructive

> > > > forces

> > > > > > > > acting on

> > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help

> us

> > in

> > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our

> memory

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity

> > > increase

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time

destructive

> > > forces

> > > > > > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic

> procedures

> > > > will

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative

forces.The

> > > > rituals

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi

> > muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc

in

> > > > defined

> > > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through

> > > keeping

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so

> > called

> > > > > > symbolic

> > > > > > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as

> such)

> > > but

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > necessity

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we

> can.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra.

> > lalit%

> > > > > > > 40gmail.

> > > > > > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we

> > count

> > > > or

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I

got

> it

> > > > with

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > com>,

> > > > > > srinivasa

> > > > > > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the

views

> > have/

> > > > or

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards

> > adhistana

> > > > > > Devatha

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the

> > > count;as

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the

> > > intellect/body

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-

> help

> > of

> > > > > malas

> > > > > > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm

clock

> > if

> > > we

> > > > > > wake

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then

> > automatically

> > > we

> > > > > > > wakeup

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra

> Japa

> > on

> > > > > Mala.

> > > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should

be

> > > > > rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not

share

> > with

> > > > u,

> > > > > U

> > > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra

gives

> > > false

> > > > > ego

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired

> results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the

> > mantra

> > > > > > chanted

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him

count,

> > > it's

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra

> has

> > to

> > > > > > awaken,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more

> > intelligent

> > > > > with

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles

in

> > our

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about

> the

> > > > time

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > put

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure

> heart.

> > > > purity

> > > > > > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology%

40.

> > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is

getting

> > very

> > > > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members.

> Yesterday

> > > we

> > > > > had a

> > > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil

> Dikshit,

> > > and

> > > > > > today

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry

of

> > the

> > > > > cosmos!

> > > > > > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists

a " numerical

> > > > > symphony "

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in

my

> > > > earlier

> > > > > > > post,

> > > > > > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant

> in

> > > > occult

> > > > > > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> > > > > number...While

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not

lose

> > > sight

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This

is

> > just

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this

> > wonderful

> > > > > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. --- In

> vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> > > > <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this

> > > significance -

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > moon is

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's)

> diameter

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances

> is

> > > > > > applicable

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated

by

> > the

> > > > 108

> > > > > > divya

> > > > > > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology%

40.

> > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you

have

> > > given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> > .

> > > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology%

40.

> > > > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question

but

> it

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and

> every

> > > > > > Nakshtras

> > > > > > > > has 4

> > > > > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108

> Charan.

> > > Each

> > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3

> > degree

> > > > and

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e.

one

> > > cycle

> > > > > > > (Circle).

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all

the

> > > > rashis,

> > > > > > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> > > > > dimensional

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of

> > this

> > > > > > brahmand.

> > > > > > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least

one

> > time

> > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri

> > before

> > > > his

> > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@

> > > .

> > > > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology%

> 40.

> > > > com>,

> > > > > > babu

> > > > > > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter

for

> > all

> > > of

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the

> > reason

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to

> > provide

> > > a

> > > > > > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- -----

--

> --

> > -

> > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter.

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> > > > better

> > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it

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Dear Sir,

 

I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying 'RAM'

pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even while sleeping,

most of the times it just keeps going on involuntarily. However, I do not keep a

count of how many times I am reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in

books, I don't remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by

not counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd

really appreciate your answer.

Regards,

Mona

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: To:

vedic astrology

" dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer

Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

[vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

 

Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

 

Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

 

Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam

of his Ishta Devataa.

 

Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

 

It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

of the mantra will give manifest results.

 

Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are

o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

 

So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of

diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

 

A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE

RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

 

Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in

itself a tapasya!

 

This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who

want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

<asmp2k02 wrote:

>

> Respected Learned Members,

>

> Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

as Base.

> In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

time every day without help of alarm.

>

> With due Respects

>

> smadavi

>

>

> Quoting starsuponme:

>

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Litsol,

>

> Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

against

> Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> >

> > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

counting

> > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> >

> > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

is

> > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

god

> > will ensure it for u.

> >

> > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> >

> > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > esoteric

> > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > >

> > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > But,

> > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > various

> > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

a

> > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

understood

> > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

there

> > are

> > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > the

> > > list.

> > >

> > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

40>,

> > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

from

> > the

> > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

from the

> > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

too.

> > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > Narayana.

> > > >

> > > > jayasree

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > Actually

> > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

so

> > > total

> > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

and

> > > 20

> > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

it

> > > comes

> > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > represetns

> > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

nakshatra

> > > are

> > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > chanting a

> > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

who

> > > has

> > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

brahmagyani he

> > > is

> > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > recomended

> > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Mona,

 

Its allright, Vija doesnt require so much regulations as standart

mantras. Please continue.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa ashram: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

Mona napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying

> 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even

> while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on

> involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am

> reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember

> how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting?

> Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really

> appreciate your answer.

> Regards,

> Mona

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in

> <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> wrote: vedic astrology@

> . com <vedic astrology%40>

> " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in

> <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>>

> Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

> [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

>

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

>

> Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

> esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

> great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

> Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

>

> Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

> pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam

> of his Ishta Devataa.

>

> Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

> perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

> than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

> exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

>

> It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

> will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

> Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

> teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

> initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

> is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

> to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

> of the mantra will give manifest results.

>

> Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

> years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

> chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

> devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are

> o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

> aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

> we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

> necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

> such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

>

> So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

> rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of

> diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

>

> A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

> FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

> THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

> COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

> WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

> THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE

> RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

> MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

> EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

>

> Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in

> itself a tapasya!

>

> This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who

> want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi

> <asmp2k02@.. .> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@ ...:

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40. com>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Mona Ji,

 

As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction.

this is the way one has to move on. count to countless.

 

Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better

way to have faith is to experiment and realize.

 

Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely.

 

See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord

Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the

morning, and thought to read Times of India.

 

I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without

invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you.

 

And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the

purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those

who have not experienced.

 

Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

vedic astrology , Mona <due0803 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of

saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am

saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on

involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am

reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't

remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not

counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name?

I'd really appreciate your answer.

> Regards,

> Mona

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: vedic-

astrology

> " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer

> Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

> [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

>

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

>

> Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

> esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

> great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

> Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

>

> Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

> pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama

japam

> of his Ishta Devataa.

>

> Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

> perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

> than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

> exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

>

> It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

> will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

> Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

> teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

> initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

> is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

> to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

> of the mantra will give manifest results.

>

> Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

> years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

> chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

> devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that "

are

> o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

> aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

> we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

> necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

> such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

>

> So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

> rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead

of

> diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

>

> A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

> FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

> THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

> COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

> WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

> THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT

THESE

> RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

> MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

> EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

>

> Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is

in

> itself a tapasya!

>

> This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those

who

> want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

> <asmp2k02@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the

Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or

3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the

same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@:

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal@

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur

part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108

is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information

of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of

Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4

Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to

108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This

cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further

One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers

from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

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Hi lalit can u please share your birth details with us...

At least we should know wht sort of birth chart you have which has given you

such divine things.........

 

 

 

 

litsol <mishra.lalit

vedic astrology

Friday, August 3, 2007 6:38:47 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

 

Mona Ji,

 

As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction.

this is the way one has to move on. count to countless.

 

Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better

way to have faith is to experiment and realize.

 

Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely.

 

See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord

Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the

morning, and thought to read Times of India.

 

I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without

invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you.

 

And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the

purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those

who have not experienced.

 

Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

vedic astrology, Mona <due0803 > wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of

saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am

saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on

involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am

reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't

remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not

counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name?

I'd really appreciate your answer.

> Regards,

> Mona

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: vedic-

astrology@grou ps.com

> " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

> [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

>

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

>

> Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

> esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

> great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

> Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

>

> Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

> pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama

japam

> of his Ishta Devataa.

>

> Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

> perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

> than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

> exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

>

> It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

> will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

> Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

> teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

> initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

> is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

> to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

> of the mantra will give manifest results.

>

> Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

> years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

> chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

> devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that "

are

> o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

> aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

> we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

> necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

> such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

>

> So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

> rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead

of

> diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

>

> A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

> FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

> THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

> COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

> WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

> THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT

THESE

> RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

> MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

> EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

>

> Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is

in

> itself a tapasya!

>

> This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those

who

> want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, srinivasa murthy adavi

> <asmp2k02@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the

Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or

3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the

same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal@

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur

part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108

is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information

of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40. com>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of

Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4

Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to

108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This

cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further

One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers

from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you.

Regards,

Mona

 

 

litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: vedic astrology

" litsol " <mishra.lalit

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:08:47 -0000

[vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

 

Mona Ji,

 

As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction.

this is the way one has to move on. count to countless.

 

Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better

way to have faith is to experiment and realize.

 

Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely.

 

See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord

Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the

morning, and thought to read Times of India.

 

I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without

invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you.

 

And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the

purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those

who have not experienced.

 

Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

vedic astrology , Mona <due0803 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of

saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am

saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on

involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am

reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't

remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not

counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name?

I'd really appreciate your answer.

> Regards,

> Mona

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: vedic-

astrology

> " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer

> Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

> [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

>

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

>

> Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

> esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

> great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

> Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

>

> Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

> pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama

japam

> of his Ishta Devataa.

>

> Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

> perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

> than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

> exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

>

> It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

> will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

> Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

> teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

> initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

> is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

> to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

> of the mantra will give manifest results.

>

> Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

> years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

> chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

> devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that "

are

> o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

> aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

> we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

> necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

> such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

>

> So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

> rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead

of

> diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

>

> A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

> FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

> THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

> COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

> WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

> THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT

THESE

> RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

> MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

> EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

>

> Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is

in

> itself a tapasya!

>

> This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those

who

> want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi

> <asmp2k02@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the

Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will

automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or

3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the

same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@:

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal@

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur

part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your

wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the

Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108

is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information

of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of

Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good

question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4

Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3

degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to

108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This

cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further

One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers

from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you for the clarification.

Regards,

Mona

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: *hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Mona,

 

Its allright, Vija doesnt require so much regulations as standart

mantras. Please continue.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa ashram: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

Mona napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying

> 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even

> while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on

> involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am

> reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember

> how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting?

> Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really

> appreciate your answer.

> Regards,

> Mona

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in

> <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> wrote: vedic astrology@

> . com <vedic astrology%40>

> " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in

> <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>>

> Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000

> [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108

>

> Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy:

>

> Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has

> esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would

> great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri

> Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala?

>

> Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A

> pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam

> of his Ishta Devataa.

>

> Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to

> perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage

> than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an

> exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam.

>

> It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you

> will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me?

> Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their

> teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain

> initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process

> is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena "

> to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant

> of the mantra will give manifest results.

>

> Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100

> years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the

> chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of

> devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are

> o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the

> aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas,

> we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not

> necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for

> such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals.

>

> So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following

> rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of

> diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives.

>

> A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY

> FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS

> THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT

> COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES

> WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND

> THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE

> RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC.

> MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND

> EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS.

>

> Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in

> itself a tapasya!

>

> This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who

> want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi

> <asmp2k02@.. .> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Learned Members,

> >

> > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as

> development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra

> as Base.

> > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the

> habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically

> take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc).

> > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3

> days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same

> time every day without help of alarm.

> >

> > With due Respects

> >

> > smadavi

> >

> >

> > Quoting starsuponme@ ...:

> >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Litsol,

> >

> > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is

> against

> > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > >

> > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

> counting

> > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > >

> > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

> is

> > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

> god

> > > will ensure it for u.

> > >

> > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> > >

> > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > > esoteric

> > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > > But,

> > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > > various

> > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

> a

> > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

> understood

> > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

> there

> > > are

> > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > > the

> > > > list.

> > > >

> > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%

> 40. com>,

> > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

> from

> > > the

> > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

> from the

> > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

> too.

> > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > > Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > jayasree

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

> so

> > > > total

> > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

> and

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

> it

> > > > comes

> > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

> nakshatra

> > > > are

> > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

> who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

> brahmagyani he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon

> > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > > recomended

> > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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