2-Edward....re. Maharishi.....Guru's & Jupiter, in Astrology

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Dear Edward:I didn't mean to suggest

that the Guru doesn't have a great role.

Christ was a Guru,....Buddha, so many great

Guru's, teachers in life...

are there to protect and guide us.

I don't know what I would have done if Maharishi

hadn't blessed my life..

I only meant that the Guru also is meant to lead

us to our own Guru within,as you suggested....

And that truest light,....is also a Guru to

us...our Higher Self...and worthy to learn how to surrender

to....The 'physical' Guru, teacher, even mentor, parents are

there to teach us, as much asis possible... and especially when

we're stuck in our ignorances....

But, eventually we do have to step out...on our

own....

I spent many, many years before I felt

comfortable enough with my enlightenmentto

move...outwards....

But, even now, I have a great reverence for the

'Guru'.... which continues to guide me,and all of us....

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

Mark, Now that Jupiter is present in transit, we mustn't

be serious about Guru-disciple relationship. This for the real

apsirant, knows that this can be a trap for real spiritual growth. The Guru is within, this is the I/thou and the other that make the

triactic realtionship that is the constant realty; Brahma.

Be the servant of the " I " relationship in the Universal

and cosmic Guru who is everywhere in all things and is hidden, but

waiting to be discovered within. This is the secret.

So, if you have a Guru, drop him or her as soon as you can. Look for

the Light within and be saved and have life ever after.

Oh well, never mind! Anonymous one, Edward HM ,

markkincaid wrote: > > > > > > TM > Discussion

> > Dear All: > > In a > time when

so many peope are wondering about Gurus and their purity and >

their > intense affects upon us I thought I'd write in and give

you > all, my 2/cents. > > I've especially been

studying Jyotish for many > years now, and what Astrology has to

say > about Guru-Jupiter is I > think very relevant. > > For me, Maharishi too had the greatest >

spiritual and mentor affect upon me. Ever since > I first saw > video tapes of him in the early 1970's I was hooked. > > Then, > finally when I met him on my teacher training in

Spain in 1972 & 73, I > got a chance > for my first

encounter. > > I had this one > experience when

he made me an initiator when he was innocently chatting >

with me about my family and schooling... > Later I realized I

had > been with a man who could do " no harm " .

> > I felt so > strongly that this man could never

hurt me. > And I had been slightly > scared to be much

in his physical presence cuz I'd heard stories > of >

how he would get mad at some people. > > Now, I realize

an > enlightened man is many things. The most important is he or

she > is > established in the ever, the same, constant

pure consciousness. > > As to what their personality and

role is in this life; only they > and God may know for sure. > > In Astrology the Guru represents the >

Knowledge and Wisdom of Jupiter in life. Guru is > the

teacher, > Jupiter is love of learning, knowledge and Wisdom of

the Absolute. > > They say God was the first, original

Guru, and from him he gave > out His/Her wisdom to > all

including the Guru's. > > I think > with the

relationship of oneself and the Guru the primary characteristic > is supposed > to be one of devotion. >

> But, because the whole > relationship is for one's own

enlightenment it's not a devotion > relationship that enslaves us

but one that liberates. > > So, if > we're the

kind of person that tends to be attached to anyone, lovers, >

romantic, parents, > even Guru's then we need to make sure we

don't > get too overshadowed or identified with > that

person, Guru. > > In Astrology the Guru has a particular

role. The role is to guide, > teach and lead us to >

Enlightenment. > > While that is being >

accomplished or afterwards one has to become more identified with

> one's own enlightenment rather then that bond that was our

Guru-disciple > relationship. > > For some that

is easy and for many that is > not. > > Hence,

we see so many trials and confusions about > Guru's.

> > If we instead emphasize more on our own enlightenment > then, the rest will take care of > itself. > > I always > wondered why people spent so much time and

energy wrapped up in > Maharishi, > when he, himself,

always made such a point of > de-emphasizing his personality,

self, > and such details. > > Now, I understand

Guru is like a boat! > > It was designed to >

help us get to the other shore! > > Once we get there,

we may come > down to the shore, periodically and revere, and

remenisece > regarding > " ahh, my dear boat that

helped me soooo much! " ..... > > But, eventually the

fresh, ever more important relationship with God and >

one's own Divine > Self has to take precendent! >

> The journey > was for our enlightenment and not our

relationship with Guru! > > Jai Guru Dev! > > Mark Kincaid > > > Jai God!

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Messages) > > 1. I love Maharishi. > why?

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> > > I love Maharishi. why? > Posted by:

" David Fiske " fiskedavid > >

fiskedavid > Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:01 pm (PST) > Posted a

few hours ago on FFL > > > Maharishi has been

on mind recently. I have been thinking how much > I >

like him and what a pivotal role he played in my life. I last saw

> him > alone, probably in '74, on one of those European ATR

courses. He > had > been messing around with me, the

then National Leader in South > Africa, > as he was wont

to do, giving contradictory messages and > making me feel

> unsettled as to my position and his confidence in me. > I

raised this > with him as he lay ready for sleep and said I

was > unsure of his love. > > He replied "

my love for you was > established when first we met "

> > We me in 1962 > (Hochgurgl). I had received word

that my father was > dying in South > Africa and I was

uncertain about staying for the month. > Henry Nyburg >

organised for me to see him alone, right at the start of > the

course. > Maharishi took both my hands in a warm embrace and

asked > about my > father. It was a special moment for

me and set the tone both > for the > course, my first

romance with the Absolute, and my subsequent > >

frequent interactions with Maharishi. > > My last direct

contact, > en route as an immigrant to Canada, was from a

> phone booth on a > Swiss Autobahn as I was leaving

Seelisburg, having > been given the > run around by Neil

Patterson for videos and a machine > which never > came

because I had a moustache! Maharishi laughed heartily > about > this and said I could have gone to Canada as their national

> leader > rather than as a bearded philosopher. My response

was that > would > have put a few noses out of joint. > > By then I was well on my > way out from the

organization having decided > amongst other things >

that if enlightenment meant anything it meant the > ability to

be > one's self as well as one's Self. > > So

some 30 years later he > still comes to mind and I still feel

such > affection for him. He was > a wonderful person to

know and greatly > enriched my life. > > I do

wonder how much of this comes from the Jungian projection one >

tends to make on such figures and the reluctance to give up seeing

> one's Soul in them. > > I read what people say of

Muktananda. > I never met him but from what I > read he

was a first class rogue so I > have none of their projections > which either leaves them permanently > in love or furious

about being > betrayed. > > So I am >

uncertain of this continuing love for Maharishi, my wish that >

he > makes a happy `transition', and that warm happy

feeling I get > when, > as now, I think of him and feel

so grateful he was a part of > life. > >

Love, > David > >

www.esotericarts.org > > >

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fiskedavid fiskedavid > > Sun Oct 29,

2006 12:02 pm (PST) > Geoff Gilpin intended to interview

> me for his book but I `fell through > cracks' as he put it.

I was > interested to see what folks thought of it > so

got back on to FFL > searched and read a pile of posts that

had > nothing like a review. I > don't know whether a

review was written and, > if so, could someone > kindly

direct me to the message no. > > Has anyone read

Conny > Larson's auto biography? I have and found it >

moving. It details his > abuse by Satya Sai Baba and makes

some > allusions to MMY's behaviour. > He is writing an

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Mark,

 

Yes I am in agreement with you.

 

The Guru comes to us by way of Dharma, because "He" was at one point a disciple too! Perhaps, in this life, another life, a give and take in relationship at some point along the journey. This is why I spoke to the need to not get caught up with the dynamics of Guru/disciple outside of oneself. God is "Guru" within. But, this within is also without everywhere, and in all things. Higher beings come in a variey of forms. Some as Avataaras, such as Buddha, Jesus, Mohammid, and others from Persia, to "lighten" not only their perpective communities, but the Universe, the country; and each had their perspective duties, as we do. Thus, we should remember were we came from, in order to fulfill that dharma, and in turn each of us will be, in passing, fortunate to be blessed by the higher being, in what ever form they come to us in, whether in the physical or otherwise; in such case as

"Babji". Master's have thier purpose and thier role to serve humanity, and so do we. Some of us may have forgotten and yes, due to karma, the master will give those who are in need of "shaktipat", to boost that purpose along the way. But, He may be returning the favor from previous incarnations or association.

 

I am really fasinated by the fact that Christ Jesu chosed to be an Israeli at a time where chaos was rampent, but is worse today than it was then. I one can look at the cosmological, the eschatological and historical perspectives, over the millinium since that time of Jesu, I may have digressed somewhat from the topic, but this goes hand in hand as to the topic of the "presence" of higher beings that may not tell you why they have come. Jesu, gave up His Ego in that life, so that we may beleive...Jesu was a great yogi.

 

And then I mentioned that in leaving the Guru, I mean to say, leave your perception about "Ego body" of this world behind, the external Guru, must be let go, and when one is ready to do that, this will naturally occur. That is not to say that we do not love the Guru any less or respect him/her any less, but, on the contrary. On the other hand, when due time, the ego body consciousness will shift, then, you see, you and the Master become one, then the one recognizes the "I AM" the true Self everywhere and in all lokas similtaineously. Then the world will be filled with universal peace.

 

In all good, Om Shanti Prem,

 

Edward

"markkincaid" <markkincaid Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:35:58 PM 2-Edward....Re: re. Maharishi.....Guru's & Jupiter, in Astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Edward:I didn't mean to suggest that the Guru doesn't have a great role.

Christ was a Guru,....Buddha, so many great Guru's, teachers in life...

are there to protect and guide us.

I don't know what I would have done if Maharishi hadn't blessed my life..

I only meant that the Guru also is meant to lead us to our own Guru within,as you suggested... .

And that truest light,....is also a Guru to us...our Higher Self...and worthy to learn how to surrender to....The 'physical' Guru, teacher, even mentor, parents are there to teach us, as much asis possible... and especially when we're stuck in our ignorances.. ..

But, eventually we do have to step out...on our own....

I spent many, many years before I felt comfortable enough with my enlightenmentto move...outwards. ...

But, even now, I have a great reverence for the 'Guru'.... which continues to guide me,and all of us....

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

Mark,Now that Jupiter is present in transit, we mustn't be serious aboutGuru-disciple relationship. This for the real apsirant, knows that thiscan be a trap for real spiritual growth. The Guru is within, this isthe I/thou and the other that make the triactic realtionship that isthe constant realty; Brahma.Be the servant of the "I" relationship in the Universal and cosmic Guruwho is everywhere in all things and is hidden, but waiting to bediscovered within. This is the secret.So, if you have a Guru, drop him or her as soon as you can. Look for theLight within and be saved and have life ever after.Oh well, never mind!Anonymous one,Edward HM, markkincaid@ ... wrote:>>>>>>

TM> Discussion>> Dear All:>> In a> time when so many peope are wondering about Gurus and their purity and> their> intense affects upon us I thought I'd write in and give you> all, my 2/cents.>> I've especially been studying Jyotish for many> years now, and what Astrology has to say> about Guru-Jupiter is I> think very relevant.>> For me, Maharishi too had the greatest> spiritual and mentor affect upon me. Ever since> I first saw> video tapes of him in the early 1970's I was hooked.>> Then,> finally when I met him on my teacher training in Spain in 1972 & 73, I> got a chance> for my first encounter.>> I had this one> experience when he made me an initiator when he was innocentlychatting> with me about my family and schooling...> Later I realized I had> been with

a man who could do "no harm".>> I felt so> strongly that this man could never hurt me.> And I had been slightly> scared to be much in his physical presence cuz I'd heard stories> of> how he would get mad at some people.>> Now, I realize an> enlightened man is many things. The most important is he or she> is> established in the ever, the same, constant pure consciousness.>> As to what their personality and role is in this life; only they> and God may know for sure.>> In Astrology the Guru represents the> Knowledge and Wisdom of Jupiter in life. Guru is> the teacher,> Jupiter is love of learning, knowledge and Wisdom of the Absolute.>> They say God was the first, original Guru, and from him he gave> out His/Her wisdom to> all including the Guru's.>> I think> with the relationship of

oneself and the Guru the primarycharacteristic> is supposed> to be one of devotion.>> But, because the whole> relationship is for one's own enlightenment it's not a devotion> relationship that enslaves us but one that liberates.>> So, if> we're the kind of person that tends to be attached to anyone, lovers,> romantic, parents,> even Guru's then we need to make sure we don't> get too overshadowed or identified with> that person, Guru.>> In Astrology the Guru has a particular role. The role is to guide,> teach and lead us to> Enlightenment.>> While that is being> accomplished or afterwards one has to become more identified with> one's own enlightenment rather then that bond that was ourGuru-disciple> relationship.>> For some that is easy and for many that is> not.>> Hence, we see

so many trials and confusions about> Guru's.>> If we instead emphasize more on our own enlightenment> then, the rest will take care of> itself.>> I always> wondered why people spent so much time and energy wrapped up in> Maharishi,> when he, himself, always made such a point of> de-emphasizing his personality, self,> and such details.>> Now, I understand Guru is like a boat!>> It was designed to> help us get to the other shore!>> Once we get there, we may come> down to the shore, periodically and revere, and remenisece> regarding> "ahh, my dear boat that helped me soooo much!".....>> But, eventually the fresh, ever more important relationship with Godand> one's own Divine> Self has to take precendent!>> The journey> was for our enlightenment and not our relationship

with Guru!>> Jai Guru Dev!>> Mark Kincaid>>> Jai God!>> www.naturesastrolog y.com>>>>> Messages In This Digest (2 Messages)>> 1. I love Maharishi.> why?>David Fiske> 2. Geoff Gilpin>David Fiske>> View> All Topics | Create> New Topic> Messages> 1.>>> I love Maharishi. why?> Posted by: "David Fiske" fiskedavid@. ..>> fiskedavid> Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:01 pm (PST)> Posted a few hours ago on FFL>>> Maharishi has been on mind recently. I have been thinking how much> I> like him and what a pivotal role he played in my life. I last saw> him> alone, probably in '74, on one of those European ATR courses. He> had> been messing around with me, the then National Leader in

South> Africa,> as he was wont to do, giving contradictory messages and> making me feel> unsettled as to my position and his confidence in me.> I raised this> with him as he lay ready for sleep and said I was> unsure of his love.>> He replied" my love for you was> established when first we met">> We me in 1962> (Hochgurgl). I had received word that my father was> dying in South> Africa and I was uncertain about staying for the month.> Henry Nyburg> organised for me to see him alone, right at the start of> the course.> Maharishi took both my hands in a warm embrace and asked> about my> father. It was a special moment for me and set the tone both> for the> course, my first romance with the Absolute, and my subsequent>> frequent interactions with Maharishi.>> My last direct contact,>

en route as an immigrant to Canada, was from a> phone booth on a> Swiss Autobahn as I was leaving Seelisburg, having> been given the> run around by Neil Patterson for videos and a machine> which never> came because I had a moustache! Maharishi laughed heartily> about> this and said I could have gone to Canada as their national> leader> rather than as a bearded philosopher. My response was that> would> have put a few noses out of joint.>> By then I was well on my> way out from the organization having decided> amongst other things> that if enlightenment meant anything it meant the> ability to be> one's self as well as one's Self.>> So some 30 years later he> still comes to mind and I still feel such> affection for him. He was> a wonderful person to know and greatly> enriched my life.>> I

do wonder how much of this comes from the Jungian projection one> tends to make on such figures and the reluctance to give up seeing> one's Soul in them.>> I read what people say of Muktananda.> I never met him but from what I> read he was a first class rogue so I> have none of their projections> which either leaves them permanently> in love or furious about being> betrayed.>> So I am> uncertain of this continuing love for Maharishi, my wish that> he> makes a happy `transition' , and that warm happy feeling I get> when,> as now, I think of him and feel so grateful he was a part of> life.>> Love,> David>> www.esotericarts. org>>>> Back to top>> Reply to sender | Reply to group |> Reply via web post>> Messages in this topic (1)>>

2.>> Geoff Gilpin> Posted by: "David Fiske"> fiskedavid@. .. fiskedavid>> Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:02 pm (PST)> Geoff Gilpin intended to interview> me for his book but I `fell through> cracks' as he put it. I was> interested to see what folks thought of it> so got back on to FFL> searched and read a pile of posts that had> nothing like a review. I> don't know whether a review was written and,> if so, could someone> kindly direct me to the message no.>> Has anyone read Conny> Larson's auto biography? I have and found it> moving. It details his> abuse by Satya Sai Baba and makes some> allusions to MMY's behaviour.> He is writing an account of those at the> moment.> Love,>> David>>>> Back to top>>> Reply to sender |> Reply to group

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