2-DM, re...natal planets, dasas and transiting planets vs. internal vs external facets of our lives, Mark K.

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Dear DM:

 

Some very good points you make below.

 

I just wanted to add one thing,...

 

I think both one's natal planets and transits, both, are probably indicative of our karmic nature and properties,...but....

 

the transits, that are coming to us in time, and even the dasas,.... seem more about how we're involved in the world, and learning to see our karmas, coming to us, even through others...

 

But, the Planets of our natal chart, seem to be the more easy to understand in terms of who we are.... and the dasas and transits,....are more related....

 

to our particular actions that we've done in the past, and are now, coming back to us....

 

Though I guess a case could also be made for the fact, that even our charts, are karmiclly linked....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

" drallamekard " <drallamekard

 

Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:23:12 -0000

 

2-Sabri, re... active planets and sensitive points

 

 

 

I think we tend to look at astrology in terms of " what's going to

happen to us " , and in that context, yes, transiting planets are active

and natal planets are sensitive points. But doesn't it work the other

way around--do we not act upon others?

 

Thinking about it in terms of other people, the natal planets are how

we act, and the transit planets are the people with whom we interact.

So if Saturn transits your natal Moon, you may feel like the world is

standing on your chest--but when the Moon transits your natal Saturn,

you may be the oppressive force in somebody's life that day. This

seems true in my experience.

 

DM

 

 

, " Sabri " <korua@e...> wrote:

>

> Hi Bettina,

> One further thought, I also used to think, natals would not aspect

> transits, based on the thinking/feeling that natals are not active

> like the transits are. But natal planets signify sensitive points in

> the zodiac for the person, as well as the places where they aspect,

> so when a transit comes to a sensitive point where a natal is

> aspecting, there should be some interaction, how is this logic?

>

> Adnan.

>

>

> , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> wrote:

> > Hey Adnan ...

> >

> >

> > The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other way

> around. A

> > trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at all.

> > Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

> >

> >

> > ... Bettina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sabri [korua@e...]

> > Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-- >

> > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Again, Dear Mark,

> >

> > So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> > magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

> with

> > you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the lesson....it

> > is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

> with

> > it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> > symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

> >

> > Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

> > Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My natal

> > Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and

> as

> > Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

> > Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

> >

> > I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

> transiting

> > planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

> anyway

> > classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

> >

> > By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably do

> > not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> > effect....he he hehe.....he.....

> >

> >

> > It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

> shines

> > through your messages, take care,

> >

> > Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

> >

> > And All Glory to Our Guru.

> >

> >

> > , Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Adnan:

> > >

> > > See below:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > >

> > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> > Aspects-->

> > > To Mark, > from Mark....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

> > > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> > > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and

> Ketu

> > > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> > >

> > > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

> > after

> > > watching the transits,

> > > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in

> > more

> > > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> > >

> > > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> > represent the

> > > reality of the desire mechanism....

> > >

> > > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

> > our internal

> > > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> > >

> > > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

> silence

> > along with

> > > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

> > won't find a

> > > ground for being malefic...

> > >

> > > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with

> > these

> > > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> > >

> > > One I guess needs to

> > > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

> transit

> > > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> > >

> > > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

> Moon

> > in one's

> > > natal chart,

> > > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the

> > transits,

> > > in general.

> > >

> > > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

> Moon

> > is, the

> > > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> > >

> > > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

> > much one

> > > gets thrown off by the transits....

> > >

> > > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

> > should be

> > > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> > >

> > > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> > start more

> > > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and

> > our charts,

> > > as well.

> > >

> > > You bring up a good point.

> > >

> > > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been

> on

> > them long

> > > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

> this...!

> > >

> > >

> > > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> > > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> > >

> > > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day,

> > both in

> > > Libra?

> > >

> > > this is some time later than

> > > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > > timezone etc.),

> > >

> > > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> > let's see, I

> > > would think that you

> > > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

> > US,... you

> > > being in Turkey,...

> > > I mean...

> > >

> > >

> > > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going

> > on,

> > > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> > >

> > > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

> Moon

> > went into

> > > Rahu's 9th house

> > > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> > >

> > > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely,

> > because

> > > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

> also

> > being in

> > > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through

> > > Sagittarius...

> > >

> > > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> > positive

> > > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

> people

> > go beserk

> > > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings,

> too

> > > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> > > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> > >

> > > Glad to hear it.

> > >

> > > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> > >

> > > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> > >

> > > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

> really

> > have a

> > > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> > >

> > > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

> > 50degree day

> > > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> > >

> > > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> > >

> > > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

> > the next 5

> > > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

> > each other,

> > > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

> > World....

> > >

> > > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

> > caused,

> > > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> > experiencing,....

> > > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> > >

> > > ehhehe

> > >

> > > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

> > > at least for a number of years, then....

> > > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> > >

> > > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> > >

> > > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-

> > tune with

> > > it...

> > >

> > > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of

> 1%

> > maybe!

> > > heheheh

> > > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the

> > rest of

> > > us...

> > >

> > > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> > Saturn,....

> > > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

> > that Silence

> > > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> > >

> > > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> > >

> > > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

> > benefits,

> > > ....tremendously....

> > > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> > >

> > > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> > truthfully say,

> > > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> > before...

> > >

> > > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

> Saturn

> > &

> > > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Guru.

> > > Adnan.

> > >

> > > Ciao!

> > >

> > > Mark K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time

> you

> > > asked this

> > > > question,

> > > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the

> > 1st

> > > degree of

> > > > Aries,

> > > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> > aspect

> > > of Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> > generally

> > > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > > >

> > > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > > Aquarius, where

> > > > it'll supposedly

> > > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > > >

> > > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > how ya been?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ciao

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mark K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark,

> > > >

> > > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > > > transits;

> > > >

> > > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

> > Ketu,

> > > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

> > natal

> > > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> > > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

> > > Ketu?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

> that

> > of

> > > > Rahu's.

> > > >

> > > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> > > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of

> the

> > > > theories.

> > > >

> > > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >