Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hi Morgana, Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their charts? Anne , morgana <aquatiger1950> wrote: > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they say: > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some more. > > Anne > > > , morgana > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > bookcase): > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, Moon > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in there > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am looking > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? Obviously > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have a > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have to > think about that! > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > Hi Morgana, > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned? > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my moon > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > changed > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in western > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest and > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > Anne > > > > , morgana > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet that > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > good > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not recognize > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that saturn > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge natal > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception with > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > contemplation > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and might > I > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > have > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > my > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you will > be > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > what > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > house > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > wrote: > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > bad > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > bad > > > aspects. > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > transits have > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've > > been > > > in a > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > significant > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like > > Liz > > > Greene's > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to have anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice that we are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we have the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone else notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty years) had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch. She was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you have by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to have a birth path with those numbers. You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am thinking spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure, already walking the path. My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I have called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western, although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to learning, even if they do not have the finances! I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my grandson's who will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous for its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-saturn conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with uranus/neptune/saturn/venus conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant and Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and her Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, both of those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it is hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those degrees are Western. Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant, but if I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico right now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose Pluto transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and grandson) Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now that I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long one to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve-wracking so I am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your babies, Morgaan Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa: > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their > > charts? > > > > Anne > > > > > > , morgana > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > say: > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > more. > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > bookcase): > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > Moon > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > there > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > looking > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > Obviously > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have > > a > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > to > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned? > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > moon > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > changed > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > western > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > and > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > that > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > good > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > recognize > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > saturn > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > natal > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > with > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > contemplation > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > might > > > I > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > are > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > > > have > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > > > my > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > will > > > be > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > what > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > house > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > bad > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > > > bad > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > transits have > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > I've > > > > been > > > > > in a > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > significant > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > like > > > > Liz > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as well as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the life out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society, you name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working on a master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We probably can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh! The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my son, his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of death (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a terrible fate). Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto: aaaaaaaargh. .... Bettina morganaspirit [morganaspirit]Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: your twins: MorganaHi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to have anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice that we are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we have the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone else notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty years)had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch. She was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you have by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to have a birth path with those numbers. You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am thinking spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure, already walking the path.My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I have called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western, although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to learning, even if they do not have the finances! I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my grandson's who will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous for its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-saturn conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with uranus/neptune/saturn/venus conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant and Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and her Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, both of those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it is hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those degrees are Western.Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant, but if I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico right now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose Pluto transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and grandson) Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now that I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long one to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve-wracking so I am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your babies, MorgaanQuoting hagazussah <hagazussa:> > > > > Hi Morgana,> > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their > > charts?> > > > Anne> > > > > > , morgana > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana> > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,> > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > say: > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > more.> > > > > > Anne> > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > bookcase):> > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > one...which is good too by the way.> > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > Moon > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > there > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > looking > > > at western, not having vedic software.> > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > Obviously > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have > > a > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > to > > > think about that!> > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana> > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > > > Hi Morgana,> > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned?> > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > moon > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > changed > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > western > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > and > > > > Stephen Arroyo.> > > > > > > > Anne> > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > that > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > good > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > recognize > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > saturn > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > natal > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > with > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana> > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > contemplation > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > might > > > I > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M> > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > are > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?> > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,> > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > > > have > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > > > my > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > will > > > be > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > what > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > house > > > > > in ashwini/aries.> > > > > > > > > > Anne> > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > bad > > > > > guy. Certainly> > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > > > bad > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > > cheers, Morgana> > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > transits have> > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > I've > > > > been > > > > > in a> > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > significant> > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > like > > > > Liz > > > > > Greene's> > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize. I wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her Uranus also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has the same Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of sign, so it was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still! Having it on an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's is in her 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that degree and future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his Mom, Thanks for the info, cheers, Morgana Quoting Bettina <chiria: > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as well > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the life > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society, you > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working on > a > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We probably > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh! > > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my son, > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of death > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a > terrible fate). > > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto: > aaaaaaaargh. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to > have > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice > that we > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we > have > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone > else > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty > years) > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch. > She > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you > have > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to > have a > birth path with those numbers. > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am > thinking > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure, > already walking the path. > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I > have > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western, > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to > learning, > even if they do not have the finances! > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my > grandson's > who > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous > for > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-saturn > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant > and > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and > her > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, > both > of > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it > is > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those > degrees > are Western. > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant, > but if > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her > Mars/Pluto > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico > right > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose > Pluto > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and > grandson) > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now > that > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long > one > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was > nerve-wracking > so I > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > > > say: > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > Moon > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > there > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > looking > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > Obviously > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have > > > > a > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > > > to > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned? > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > > > moon > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > changed > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > western > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > > > and > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > > > that > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > > > good > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > recognize > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > saturn > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > natal > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > > > with > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > might > > > > > I > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > > > are > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > > > > > my > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > > > what > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > > > house > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > > > bad > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > > > > > bad > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > I've > > > > > > been > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > > > like > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hi Bettina, I am happy that your rebellious son is in more quiet waters. Nice to read about your son too ;-) Anne , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as well > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the life > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society, you > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working on a > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We probably > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh! > > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my son, > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of death > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a > terrible fate). > > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto: > aaaaaaaargh. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > morganaspirit@t... [morganaspirit@t...] > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to have > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice > that we > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we > have > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone else > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty > years) > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch. > She > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you > have > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to > have a > birth path with those numbers. > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am > thinking > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure, > already walking the path. > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I have > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western, > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to > learning, > even if they do not have the finances! > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my grandson's > who > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous > for > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-saturn > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant > and > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and > her > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, both > of > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it > is > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those > degrees > are Western. > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant, > but if > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her > Mars/Pluto > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico > right > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose > Pluto > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and grandson) > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now > that > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long > one > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve-wracking > so I > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > > > say: > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > Moon > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > there > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > looking > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > Obviously > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have > > > > a > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > > > to > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned? > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > > > moon > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > changed > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > western > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > > > and > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > > > that > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > > > good > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > recognize > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > saturn > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > natal > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > > > with > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > might > > > > > I > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > > > are > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > > > > > my > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > > > what > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > > > house > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > > > bad > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > > > > > bad > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > I've > > > > > > been > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > > > like > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi, Morgana ... My daughter was born when I was 40 and we both have Moon/Uranus cnjs which are almost exactly in opposition to each others. My Moon is 13 Taurus, Uranus 20 Taurus, her Moon is 14 Scorpio, Uranus 20 Scorpio. Our ascs are sq. with mine at 14 0r 15 Gemini and hers at 15 degreees Virgo (near my Sun). Actually, we get along well, but every transit that hits one of us hits the other one as well. We have a really close karmic connection. I even met her in a dream before she was conceived. And she was a complete surprise ... conceived after I'd had a tubal ligation. .... Bettina morganaspirit [morganaspirit]Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: RE: Re: your twins: Morgana Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize. I wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her Uranus also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has the same Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of sign, so it was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still! Having it on an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's is in her 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that degree and future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his Mom, Thanks for the info, cheers, MorganaQuoting Bettina <chiria:> My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as well> as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the life> out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society, you> name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working on> a> master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That> Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We probably> can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh!> > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my son,> his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of death> (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a> terrible fate).> > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto:> aaaaaaaargh.> > > ... Bettina> > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM> > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana> > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to> have> anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice> that we> are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we> have> the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone> else> notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty> years)> had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch.> She> was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you> have> by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to> have a> birth path with those numbers.> You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am> thinking> spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree> intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure,> already walking the path.> > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I> have> called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western,> although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora> software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really> appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to> learning,> even if they do not have the finances!> > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my> grandson's> who> will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous> for> its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-saturn> conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with> uranus/neptune/saturn/venus> conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant> and> Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am> thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and> her> Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag,> both> of> those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it> is> hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those> degrees> are Western.> > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant,> but if> I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates> Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her> Mars/Pluto> in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico> right> now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the> country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose> Pluto> transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her> home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and> grandson)> Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now> that> I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long> one> to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was> nerve-wracking> so I> am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your> babies, Morgaan> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa:> > >> >> >> >> > Hi Morgana,> >> >> >> > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their> >> > charts?> >> >> >> > Anne> >> >> >> >> >> > , morgana> >> > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> >> > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to> >> > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred> >> > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana> >> > >> >> > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,> >> > >> >> > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their> >> > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite> >> > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils',> >> > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in> >> > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are> >> > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never> >> > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they> >> > say:> >> > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they> >> > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe> >> > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious> >> > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some> >> > more.> >> > >> >> > > Anne> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > , morgana> >> > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> >> > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my> >> > > bookcase):> >> > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have> >> > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs> >> > > one...which is good too by the way.> >> > > >> >> > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing,> >> > Moon> >> > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are> >> > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in> >> > there> >> > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on> >> > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and> >> > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a> >> > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am> >> > looking> >> > > at western, not having vedic software.> >> > > >> >> > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant!> >> > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?> >> > Obviously> >> > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have> >> > a> >> > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at> >> > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have> >> > to> >> > > think about that!> >> > > >> >> > > > warm wishes, Morgana> >> > > >> >> > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> >> > > > Hi Morgana,> >> > > >> >> > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned?> >> > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more> >> > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it> >> > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my> >> > moon> >> > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically> >> > > changed> >> > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in> >> > western> >> > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to> >> > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a> >> > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good> >> > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the> >> > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest> >> > and> >> > > > Stephen Arroyo.> >> > > >> >> > > > Anne> >> > > >> >> > > > , morgana> >> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> >> > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I> >> > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet> >> > that> >> > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always> >> > > good> >> > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not> >> > recognize> >> > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all> >> > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that> >> > saturn> >> > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge> >> > natal> >> > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception> >> > with> >> > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana> >> > > > >> >> > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating> >> > > contemplation> >> > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and> >> > might> >> > > I> >> > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M> >> > > > >> >> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> >> > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu> >> > are> >> > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western> >> > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I> >> > > > have> >> > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set> >> > > my> >> > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a> >> > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you> >> > will> >> > > be> >> > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about> >> > > what> >> > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st> >> > > > house> >> > > > > in ashwini/aries.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Anne> >> > > > >> >> > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...>> >> > > > wrote:> >> > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the> >> > > bad> >> > > > > guy. Certainly> >> > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed> >> > > bad> >> > > > > aspects.> >> > > > > > > cheers, Morgana> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn> >> > > > > transits have> >> > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something> >> > I've> >> > > > been> >> > > > > in a> >> > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most> >> > > > > significant> >> > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I> >> > like> >> > > > Liz> >> > > > > Greene's> >> > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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