Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

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Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

August 23, 2008

 

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon

and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

 

This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary

of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated

by multiplying 100/304.

 

Description------------ Passes- Fails

CorrectRecords

(Time Used as Given)....2..... 302

Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300

Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300

Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300

 

Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio:

98.602

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Dear Tw ji,

 

Appreciate your hard work. Please convey my congrats to Rangarajan ji or anybody else involved.

 

Can you please share 304 AA charts particulars in computer readable file format (CSV/TXT etc.). I'll try to run that data for Kalidasa rectification technique and D108 technique suggested by Satish ji/ Shrivastava ji.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR TechniqueAugust 23, 2008Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated by multiplying 100/304.Description------------ Passes- Fails

CorrectRecords(Time Used as Given)....2..... 302Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: 98.602

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Dear Tin Win,

What is your opinion about Mr.Gondhalekar's method of verification of correct TOB ?

Have you also conducted similar experiments(as quoted by for Shanmugham's method) ?

I also find it very accurate...infact in my own practise I use both methods to arrive at the correct TOB, independently of each other...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, 24 August, 2008 8:28:46 AM Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR TechniqueAugust 23, 2008Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated by multiplying 100/304.Description- --------- -- Passes- FailsCorrectRecords(Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300Incorrect (25 min)..... 6.....

298Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: 98.602

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Dear Punit Pandey,

 

Thanks for your encouragement. For both of us, only seeing, not here

say experience, is believing. Your message is already passed to

Rangarajan and it'll be easier for him to help us, if any technique

is provided in clear wording covertable into computer program

language.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Appreciate your hard work. Please convey my congrats to Rangarajan

ji or

> anybody else involved.

>

> Can you please share 304 AA charts particulars in computer readable

> file format (CSV/TXT etc.). I'll try to run that data for

> Kalidasa rectification technique and D108 technique suggested by

Satish ji/

> Shrivastava ji.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

> > August 23, 2008

> >

> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of

Moon

> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> >

> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the

summary

> > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be

calculated

> > by multiplying 100/304.

> >

> > Description------------ Passes- Fails

> > CorrectRecords

> > (Time Used as Given)....2..... 302

> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300

> >

> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection

ratio:

> > 98.602

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear TW,

There is yet one more method of verifying the correctness of a given TOB...

The planets Sun or Jup or Venus must be transitting the st.lord or s/l of the IXth cusp...

Sun - is Atmakaraka,chief significator of the soul

Jup - is Putrakaraka chief significator of childbirth

Ven - is chief significator of Kama

Whenever even after applying the 2 methods given in my last mail,if I am not satisfied completely,I use this method finally...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, 24 August, 2008 5:22:29 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

Dear Punit Pandey,Thanks for your encouragement. For both of us, only seeing, not here say experience, is believing. Your message is already passed to Rangarajan and it'll be easier for him to help us, if any technique is provided in clear wording covertable into computer program language.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Appreciate your hard work. Please convey my congrats to Rangarajan ji or> anybody else involved.> > Can you please share 304 AA charts particulars in computer readable> file format (CSV/TXT etc.). I'll try to run that data for> Kalidasa rectification technique and D108 technique suggested by Satish ji/>

Shrivastava ji.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > August 23, 2008> >> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> >> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary> > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated> > by multiplying 100/304.> >> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> > CorrectRecords> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7.....

297> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> >> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio:> > 98.602> >> > > >>

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Dear Tin Win

 

I am attaching the birth time rectification of my daughter by Kalidas method in excel format.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 8/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 11:52 AM

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey,Thanks for your encouragement. For both of us, only seeing, not here say experience, is believing. Your message is already passed to Rangarajan and it'll be easier for him to help us, if any technique is provided in clear wording covertable into computer program language.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Appreciate your hard work. Please convey my congrats to Rangarajan ji or> anybody else involved.> > Can you please share 304 AA charts particulars in computer readable> file format (CSV/TXT etc.). I'll try to run that data for> Kalidasa rectification technique and D108 technique suggested by Satish ji/> Shrivastava ji.> > Thanks &

Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > August 23, 2008> >> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> >> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary> > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated> > by multiplying 100/304.> >> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> > CorrectRecords> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4.....

300> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> >> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio:> > 98.602> >> > > >>

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Dear Dhanabalan,

 

Pl send the attachment direct to me because I haven't opted the

individual mail to get the attachment from this group, and then

we'll try to check this rule.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win

>  

> I am attaching the birth time rectification of my daughter by

Kalidas method in excel format.

>  

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sun, 8/24/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

>

> Sunday, August 24, 2008, 11:52 AM

Dear Punit Pandey,

>

> Thanks for your encouragement. For both of us, only seeing, not

here

> say experience, is believing. Your message is already passed to

> Rangarajan and it'll be easier for him to help us, if any

technique

> is provided in clear wording covertable into computer program

> language.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Appreciate your hard work. Please convey my congrats to

Rangarajan

> ji or

> > anybody else involved.

> >

> > Can you please share 304 AA charts particulars in computer

readable

> > file format (CSV/TXT etc.). I'll try to run that data for

> > Kalidasa rectification technique and D108 technique suggested by

> Satish ji/

> > Shrivastava ji.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

> > > August 23, 2008

> > >

> > > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord

of

> Moon

> > > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

> > > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> > >

> > > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the

> summary

> > > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be

> calculated

> > > by multiplying 100/304.

> > >

> > > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails

> > > CorrectRecords

> > > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302

> > > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

> > > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

> > > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300

> > > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> > > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

> > > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> > > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300

> > > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

> > > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

> > > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> > > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

> > > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300

> > >

> > > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection

> ratio:

> > > 98.602

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description------------ Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2..... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

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Dear Shubhash

u have explained the important aspect o f BTR.

in the past i use to do BTR for given birth time , if BTR dint tallied with RU i use to shift nearest time which was very few say maximum 5 minits.

Lagna sign lord, Star lord and sub lord only i use to work.

 

we need BTR up to LSgn Lord, Lag str lord, lgna sub lord and lagna sub sub lord for more accurate BTR now - a - days needed.

 

Minute seconds will be very important in KP system.

 

DBAS and prana periods depend on the correct birth time up to seconds i feel.

Sahhasra Saagara.--- On Tue, 2/9/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 1:59 PM

 

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

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respected subhash ji,

 

what u have calculated is by averaging out things,but

in Vinshottary sequence Rah Jup sat Mer Ven contribute

for major chunk of times,whenever such order will come

that sub or sub subs are in middle of these or the

order in which these operate in comparison to star

lord of moon will decide the whether is rule is going

to satisfy the criteria,what % of time it will pass

and fail is shown by study of shri tin win,still

confusion prevails and we shd start collecting real

time charts which come to us and then conclude when

some 100 charts are collected for which we are totally

satisfied that time corrected as per above method is

giving proper events of life ,then we can conclude

that method is working fine upto certain % of

time,still when a method fails even in a single case

can not be called foolproof,what i mean is chances of

failure shd not be there in a method of btr atleast,

 

regards

Asheesh

--- Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

 

>

> Dear Members,

>

> This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on

> the subject.

>

> Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within

> the period of + or

> – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We

> are matching

> Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers

> the arc of 13*

> 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120

> minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33

> min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during

> this period. This

> means when we change the birth time by +30 min and

> -30 min (i.e. a

> variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9

> subs of particular

> star.

>

> To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time

> span the sub lord of

> Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

>

> Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord

> of Asc. must match

> the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about

> 54 min. So it covers

> each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx.

> 6 min Asc must cover

> all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border

> line cases beyond +

> or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub.

> Thus summary

> presented, in my opinion, does not give correct

> picture. This is because

> the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min

> interval used in

> summary. According to me this needs further

> analysis.

>

> Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar

> ji will be highly

> appriciated.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

>

>

>

> , " tw853 "

> <tw853 wrote:

> >

> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

> > August 23, 2008

> >

> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as

> the starlord of Moon

> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as

> the sublord of

> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> >

> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records.

> Here is the summary

> > of the results. The percentage in each case can

> easily be calculated

> > by multiplying 100/304.

> >

> > Description------------ Passes- Fails

> > CorrectRecords

> > (Time Used as Given)....2..... 302

> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300

> >

> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597,

> Rejection ratio:

> > 98.602

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji...I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise"...

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered...

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare Sent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5

min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

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Dear Rao Sir,

Please accept my due regards.

I have aquintance with the term 'Prenatal Epock'. But I am unaware the details. Will you kindly give a brief note on the topic please?

Thanking you.

Dr. Luther

 

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:45:51 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7...... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5

min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji...I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise"...

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered...

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare > Sent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Respected members,

Sir,

R.P.s are said to be Devine Guidence from above which is not to be

put to any logical scrutiny; it is beyond the grasp of human-brain so

far.

You might be aware that Astrology itself does not stand the test of

logic. Why do we study it then? Because we call it Devine science,

because we know that there is some " cause and effect " principle

behind it which we have not been able to unravel so far.

I prefer to be either fully logical or fully faithful.

Regards,

sujatkaram.

, " swami " <swami wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah

> Hari Om,

> Dear sir,

> Perhaps I am ignorant.

> " Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique "

> Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of

Moon

> and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

> I am not sure.

> After all What it is?

> any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called

Technique apart fom above Rule?.

> [Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for

fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to

refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

> hope to hear , about it .

> Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this

thread.

> Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

> with regards.

> OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> Swami_RCS

> http:\\www.kaalvastu.com]

> -----------------------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> --

>

> -

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi

>

> Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

>

>

> Dear Subhash,

> Allow me to thank you ...

> Right from the very day this appeared on

this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji...I

had serious reservations about the " conclusions " drawn from

this " exercise " ...

> That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if

it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to

correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal

epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to

the level of 87 %...

> Your analysis should surely prompt more

research on this subject...

> As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's

theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough

(for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is

discovered...

> I am looking forward to Senior K.P.

Stalwart's opinions...

> With best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> Subhash <subhash_ektare

>

> Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM

> Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

>

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

>

> Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of

+ or †" 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching

Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20'

(i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min.

It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This

means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e.

a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of

particular star.

>

> To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub

lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

>

> Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must

match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So

it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min

Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border

line cases beyond + or †" 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon

sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct

picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5

min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further

analysis.

>

> Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be

highly appriciated.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

>

>

>

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

> > August 23, 2008

> >

> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord

of Moon

> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> >

> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the

summary

> > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be

calculated

> > by multiplying 100/304.

> >

> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails

> > CorrectRecords

> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302

> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300

> >

> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection

ratio:

> > 98.602

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sirs,

Let me give my opinion here. My KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification is based on Shri.M.P.Shanmugam's novel findings, as given in his article "BIRTH TIME VERIFICATION" in the book

"Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2".

 

Shri MPS has said in his eye-opener article that the GIVEN BIRTH TIME is correct,

1. if Asc Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

2. if Asc Sublord's Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

3. if Asc Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

4. if Asc Sublord has a Sublord; this Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Signlord or Starlord, then the Given Birth Time is correct.

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Starlord itself, then it is more preferred.

 

Now, what can we understand from this? In line, we can say that

Birth Asc Sublord should be in some way be connected to Birth Moon's Position. (OR)

One's Birth Lagna position will have some connection to the Moon's position in his Chart.

"WHY?" is another question.

 

Now, please study my observation.

We all know that Moon's Starlord is the DASA lord at the time of one's birth.

Suppose a native is born in the period of Venus DASA - and in the beginning of Kethu BHUKTHI -

i.e.WITH A DASA BALANCE of about, say, 1 year.

Here, it is evident that out of 20 years of his Venus DASA, 19 years had lapsed before his birth, and only the last BHUKTHI of Kethu has given the birth.

At this juncture, would it not be logically meaningful to give some weightage to KETHU, which will appear as the Moon's Sublord in his Birth Chart?

Most part of Venus DASA had lapsed making it weaker. So, naturally Kethu, alongwith Venus

has played the major role in influencing the birth of the native.

 

With this same logical reasoning, anybody can see the truth that

a BIRTH occurs in a particular DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA period.

( NOTE: Shri. A.R.RAICHUR's Software gives this DASA balance in years, BHUKTHI balance

in months, and ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA balances in days at BIRTH.)

These DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA Lords are nothing but, as we must know,

Birth Moon's STARLORD, SUBLORD, SUBSUBLORD and SUBSUBSUBLORD.

i.e., DBAS at Birth = Moon's Starlord, Sublord, SubSublord (SS), SubSubSublord (SSS).

 

Hence, will it not be correct to relate Asc Sublord to any of these DBAS Lords at birth, i.e. the Birth's Moon's Position?

 

So, Shri.M.P.Shanmugam's rule can be conveniently modified for better usage as below:

" If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord,

then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

This is the first rule in my KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification,

which I will put into this Forum in detail shortly.

This I have been applying for all Birth Charts since 2003. And it works well.

But, of course, then there is the Signification part which needs to be modified,

which has been given the name KP-MK Formula of Cuspal Point Signification (CPS).

 

Shall be back with you soon.

 

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:20:39 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Please accept my due regards.

I have aquintance with the term 'Prenatal Epock'. But I am unaware the details. Will you kindly give a brief note on the topic please?

Thanking you.

Dr. Luther

 

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, September 2, 2008 8:45:51 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups..comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e.. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7...... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6...... 298> Incorrect (5

min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)....... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Dear Sujatkaram,

I agree RP are said to be Devine guidence.They are part of Kaal chakra, undestood as limbs of Panchanga .They are perfectly logical and well withen grasp of human mind.

Being faithful is not wrong, for all para vidhyas need of faith is basic ingedient

for grasping mundane level happenings.

Thanks for your note.

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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:24 PM

Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Respected members,Sir,R.P.s are said to be Devine Guidence from above which is not to be put to any logical scrutiny; it is beyond the grasp of human-brain so far. You might be aware that Astrology itself does not stand the test of logic. Why do we study it then? Because we call it Devine science, because we know that there is some "cause and effect" principle behind it which we have not been able to unravel so far.I prefer to be either fully logical or fully faithful.Regards,sujatkaram. , "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah> Hari Om,> Dear sir,> Perhaps I am ignorant.> "Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"> Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?> I am not sure.> After all What it is?> any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.> [Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]> hope to hear , about it .> Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.> Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.> with regards.> OM TATSAT> ------------------------> Swami_RCS > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > -----------------------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> -------------------------> > - > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > > Dear Subhash,> Allow me to thank you ...> Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji...I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise"...> That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...> Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...> As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered...> I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare> > Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM> Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > > Dear Members,> > This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.> > Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€" 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star. > > To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon. > > Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€" 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.> > Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > August 23, 2008> > > > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > > > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > > by multiplying 100/304.> > > > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> > CorrectRecords> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> > > > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > > 98.602> >> > > > > --> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now>

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Dear Mohan kumar ji

Thanks for your beautiful Note.

I did not read II and III vol for I thought IT was not authered by SRI MPS.

I hardly read KP books now a days.

With best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:07 AM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

Let me give my opinion here. My KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification is based on Shri.M.P.Shanmugam's novel findings, as given in his article "BIRTH TIME VERIFICATION" in the book

"Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2".

 

Shri MPS has said in his eye-opener article that the GIVEN BIRTH TIME is correct,

1. if Asc Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

2. if Asc Sublord's Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

3. if Asc Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

4. if Asc Sublord has a Sublord; this Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Signlord or Starlord, then the Given Birth Time is correct.

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Starlord itself, then it is more preferred.

 

Now, what can we understand from this? In line, we can say that

Birth Asc Sublord should be in some way be connected to Birth Moon's Position. (OR)

One's Birth Lagna position will have some connection to the Moon's position in his Chart.

"WHY?" is another question.

 

Now, please study my observation.

We all know that Moon's Starlord is the DASA lord at the time of one's birth.

Suppose a native is born in the period of Venus DASA - and in the beginning of Kethu BHUKTHI -

i.e.WITH A DASA BALANCE of about, say, 1 year.

Here, it is evident that out of 20 years of his Venus DASA, 19 years had lapsed before his birth, and only the last BHUKTHI of Kethu has given the birth.

At this juncture, would it not be logically meaningful to give some weightage to KETHU, which will appear as the Moon's Sublord in his Birth Chart?

Most part of Venus DASA had lapsed making it weaker. So, naturally Kethu, alongwith Venus

has played the major role in influencing the birth of the native.

 

With this same logical reasoning, anybody can see the truth that

a BIRTH occurs in a particular DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA period.

( NOTE: Shri. A.R.RAICHUR's Software gives this DASA balance in years, BHUKTHI balance

in months, and ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA balances in days at BIRTH.)

These DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA Lords are nothing but, as we must know,

Birth Moon's STARLORD, SUBLORD, SUBSUBLORD and SUBSUBSUBLORD.

i.e., DBAS at Birth = Moon's Starlord, Sublord, SubSublord (SS), SubSubSublord (SSS).

 

Hence, will it not be correct to relate Asc Sublord to any of these DBAS Lords at birth, i.e. the Birth's Moon's Position?

 

So, Shri.M.P.Shanmugam's rule can be conveniently modified for better usage as below:

" If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord,

then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

This is the first rule in my KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification,

which I will put into this Forum in detail shortly.

This I have been applying for all Birth Charts since 2003. And it works well.

But, of course, then there is the Signification part which needs to be modified,

which has been given the name KP-MK Formula of Cuspal Point Signification (CPS).

 

Shall be back with you soon.

 

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Luther Rath <rathluther > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:20:39 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Please accept my due regards.

I have aquintance with the term 'Prenatal Epock'. But I am unaware the details. Will you kindly give a brief note on the topic please?

Thanking you.

Dr. Luther

 

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, September 2, 2008 8:45:51 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups..comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e.. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7...... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6...... 298> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)....... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham’s rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB – 15th July 1980

TOB – 8-54 AM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB – 6th December 1971

TOB – 12-15 PM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

 

swami <swami Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 



|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5

min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Dear Asheesh ji

You are right. I have given these calculations by averaging. Actually they might be—no they are—different.

1) You agree that Ascendant moves through all signs in approx. 24 hours. So it takes max. 2 hours 10 min (130 min) to cross one sign. (Max. time of 2Hr 10 min 10 sec is taken to travel Cancer sign at Chennai, Ref. Article "Timing of Events" on page 173 of Astrosecrets & KP 2001 Edition)

2) In one sign there are 2.25 stars i. e. nakshatras. Therefore Ascendant will require 130 min divided by 2.25 =57.77 min say 58 min. maximum to travel in one star.

3) Therefore proportionate time required to travel each sub (in proportion to Vimshottari Dasha) will be as shown in following table:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Ketu

 

Ven

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

Jup

 

Sat

 

Mer

 

Total

 

 

Time in min:sec

 

3-23

 

9-40

 

2-54

 

4-50

 

3-23

 

8-42

 

7-44

 

9-11

 

8-13

 

58-00

 

 

4) As suggested by you let us consider two extreme examples with Ascendant sub lord as a) Saturn and b) Sun.

a) With Ascendant sub lord as Saturn (at the beginning of this sub) see table below.

From the table it will be clear that even if Moon star lord is Sun and the sub lord is also Sun (which is within – 27-33) it can be covered within (-) 30 min change. And if Moon Star lord be Venus and its sub lord is Ketu, it is covered within (+) 30 min 27 sec range. Please note that all the subs of Moon in the Stars of Sun and Venus are covered in the time span of + or – 30 minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moon Star Lord

 

Min:sec

 

Cumulative

Min:sec(+)

 

Cumulative

Min:sec(-)

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

2-54

 

 

 

27-33

 

All subs of Sun Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Moon

 

4-50

 

 

 

24-39

 

All subs of Moon Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Mars

 

3-23

 

 

 

19-49

 

All subs of Mars Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Rahu

 

8-42

 

 

 

16-26

 

All subs of Rahu Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Jupiter

 

7-44

 

 

 

7-44

 

All subs of Jupiter Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Saturn

 

9-11

 

9-11

 

0-00

 

All subs of Saturn Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Mercury

 

8-13

 

17-24

 

 

 

All subs of Mercury Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Ketu

 

3-23

 

20-47

 

 

 

All subs of Ketu Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Venus

 

9-40

 

30-27

 

 

 

All subs of Venus Star are covered in this time span

 

b) With Ascendant Sub lord as Sun (at the beginning of the sub). Refer table below:

As explained above this table is self-explanatory. Please note that all star lords and sub lords of Moon are covered in the time span of (+) 27 min 33 sec and (-) 30 min 27 sec.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moon Star Lord

 

Min:sec

 

Cumulative

Min:sec(+)

 

Cumulative

Min:sec(-)

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

9-11

 

 

 

30-27

 

All subs of Saturn Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Mercury

 

8-13

 

 

 

21-16

 

All subs of Mercury Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Ketu

 

3-23

 

 

 

13-03

 

All subs of Ketu Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Venus

 

9-40

 

 

 

9-40

 

All subs of Venus Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Sun

 

2-54

 

2-54

 

0-00

 

All subs of Sun Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Moon

 

4-50

 

7-44

 

 

 

All subs of Moon Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Mars

 

3-23

 

11-07

 

 

 

All subs of Mars Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Rahu

 

8-42

 

19-49

 

 

 

All subs of Rahu Star are covered in this time span

 

 

Jupiter

 

7-44

 

27-33

 

 

 

All subs of Jupiter Star are covered in this time span

 

Thus for any Ascendant sub lord and sub-sub lord if one tries to match them with Moon star lord and sub lord, in my personal opinion, the rule will be satisfied in more than 95% cases. That is why I do not agree to the "conclusion" that the rule fails in 98.602 % cases. Senior Astrologer Shri L. Y. Rao Lajmi is claiming a success rate of 87% + (refer message # 19286) using this modified method. In short, detailed analysis of 304 AA charts only will throw some light on this aspect. Though it is laborious work, it will be highly appreciated.

Views/ comments and even criticism from senior members are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

 

 

, Asheesh <ni_ash1 wrote:>> respected subhash ji,> > what u have calculated is by averaging out things,but> in Vinshottary sequence Rah Jup sat Mer Ven contribute> for major chunk of times,whenever such order will come> that sub or sub subs are in middle of these or the> order in which these operate in comparison to star> lord of moon will decide the whether is rule is going> to satisfy the criteria,what % of time it will pass> and fail is shown by study of shri tin win,still> confusion prevails and we shd start collecting real> time charts which come to us and then conclude when> some 100 charts are collected for which we are totally> satisfied that time corrected as per above method is> giving proper events of life ,then we can conclude> that method is working fine upto certain % of> time,still when a method fails even in a single case> can not be called foolproof,what i mean is chances of> failure shd not be there in a method of btr atleast,> > regards> Asheesh> --- Subhash subhash_ektare wrote:> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on> > the subject.> > > > Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within> > the period of + or> > – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We> > are matching> > Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers> > the arc of 13*> > 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120> > minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33> > min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during> > this period. This> > means when we change the birth time by +30 min and > > -30 min (i.e. a> > variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9> > subs of particular> > star.> > > > To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time> > span the sub lord of> > Asc. must match the star lord of moon.> > > > Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord> > of Asc. must match> > the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about> > 54 min. So it covers> > each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx.> > 6 min Asc must cover> > all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border> > line cases beyond +> > or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub.> > Thus summary> > presented, in my opinion, does not give correct> > picture. This is because> > the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min> > interval used in> > summary. According to me this needs further> > analysis.> > > > Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar> > ji will be highly> > appriciated.> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > > , "tw853"> > tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > August 23, 2008> > >> > > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as> > the starlord of Moon> > > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as> > the sublord of> > > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > >> > > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records.> > Here is the summary> > > of the results. The percentage in each case can> > easily be calculated> > > by multiplying 100/304.> > >> > > Description------------ Passes- Fails> > > CorrectRecords> > > (Time Used as Given)....2..... 302> > > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> > > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> > > Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> > > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> > > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> > > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> > > Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> > > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> > > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> > > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> > > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> > > Incorrect (30 min)..... 4..... 300> > >> > > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597,> > Rejection ratio:> > > 98.602> > >> > > > > >>

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Dear subhash ji,

 

very nice explanation,

so far so good,but u are not considering relative

positions of moon star lord and asc sub,

in the recently discussed case 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,F

as per method given the rectified time comes to 2.19PM

in the same asc and beyond 3.50Pm in next asc,

suppose we consider the asc correct , is the time of

2.19PM justified according to u,and it is said so many

times that when sss of asc will equal to ss of moon

that will be precise birth time up to second,if this

is the case this has become the precondition for the

birth to take place , do u think that at 3 pm no birth

is possible or any other similar time is it ok to say

so,suppose the birth has actually taken place at 3 PM

then the rule is wrong altogether,hope u will try to

understand my point,i may be wrong because i do not

have any exp in astrology but i do have logical

reasoning which asks me to scrutinize the above rule

,hope u try to explain above points with same

mathematical way u wrote previous mail,and sir i do

consider anything a failure if it gives so much wide

variations even in a single case, because rotation

wise such times will keep on coming ,

 

regards

Asheesh

 

regards

--- Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

 

>

> Dear Asheesh ji

>

> You are right. I have given these calculations by

> averaging. Actually

> they might be—no they are—different.

>

> 1) You agree that Ascendant moves through all signs

> in approx. 24

> hours. So it takes max. 2 hours 10 min (130 min)

> to cross one sign.

> (Max. time of 2Hr 10 min 10 sec is taken to travel

> Cancer sign at

> Chennai, Ref. Article " Timing of Events " on page

> 173 of

> Astrosecrets & KP 2001 Edition)

>

> 2) In one sign there are 2.25 stars i. e.

> nakshatras. Therefore

> Ascendant will require 130 min divided by 2.25

> =57.77 min say 58 min.

> maximum to travel in one star.

>

> 3) Therefore proportionate time required to travel

> each sub (in

> proportion to Vimshottari Dasha) will be as shown in

> following table:

>

>

>

>

> Planet

>

> Ketu

>

> Ven

>

> Sun

>

> Moon

>

> Mars

>

> Rahu

>

> Jup

>

> Sat

>

> Mer

>

> Total

>

> Time in min:sec

>

> 3-23

>

> 9-40

>

> 2-54

>

> 4-50

>

> 3-23

>

> 8-42

>

> 7-44

>

> 9-11

>

> 8-13

>

> 58-00

4) As suggested by you let us consider two extreme

> examples with

> Ascendant sub lord as a) Saturn and b) Sun.

>

> a) With Ascendant sub lord as Saturn (at the

> beginning of this sub) see

> table below.

>

> From the table it will be clear that even if Moon

> star lord is Sun and

> the sub lord is also Sun (which is within – 27-33)

> it can be covered

> within (-) 30 min change. And if Moon Star lord be

> Venus and its sub

> lord is Ketu, it is covered within (+) 30 min 27 sec

> range. Please note

> that all the subs of Moon in the Stars of Sun and

> Venus are covered in

> the time span of + or – 30 minutes.

>

>

>

>

> Moon Star Lord

>

> Min:sec

>

> Cumulative

>

> Min:sec(+)

>

> Cumulative

>

> Min:sec(-)

>

>

>

> Sun

>

> 2-54

>

>

>

> 27-33

>

> All subs of Sun Star are covered in this time span

>

> Moon

>

> 4-50

>

>

>

> 24-39

>

> All subs of Moon Star are covered in this time

> span

>

> Mars

>

> 3-23

>

>

>

> 19-49

>

> All subs of Mars Star are covered in this time

> span

>

> Rahu

>

> 8-42

>

>

>

> 16-26

>

> All subs of Rahu Star are covered in this time span

>

> Jupiter

>

> 7-44

>

>

>

> 7-44

>

> All subs of Jupiter Star are covered in this time

> span

>

> Saturn

>

> 9-11

>

> 9-11

>

> 0-00

>

> All subs of Saturn Star are covered in this time

> span

>

> Mercury

>

> 8-13

>

> 17-24

>

>

>

> All subs of Mercury Star are covered in this time

> span

>

> Ketu

>

> 3-23

>

> 20-47

>

>

>

> All subs of Ketu Star are covered in this time

> span

>

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Dear Luther ji,

 

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

 

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

 

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB – 15th July 1980

TOB – 8-54 AM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB – 6th December 1971

TOB – 12-15 PM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

 

 

swami <swami

 

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 



|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

" Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique "

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

 

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Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the " conclusions " drawn from this " exercise " .. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.com

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

 

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

 

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

 

 

 

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008>

> Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary

> of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302

> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4..... 300

> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swami Ji,

Thank you very much for the compliments.

This BTR problem had been a great task for me in the early days of my entry into KP principles, which posed as a big boulder on my path, just because the seniors astrologer here in my place had cautioned or tried to misguide all saying "without BTR we can go nowhere in KP"..

What is it? How to make it? What are the rules? How do others apply them?

So many questions kept me sleepless at nights. I digged into all the books I could afford at that time.

So, naturally I am concerned about friends who are really bothered about this.

Thanks again. Shall continue in this subject after a short while.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025--- On Wed, 9/3/08, swami <swami wrote:

swami <swamiRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:25 PM

 

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Mohan kumar ji

Thanks for your beautiful Note.

I did not read II and III vol for I thought IT was not authered by SRI MPS.

I hardly read KP books now a days.

With best wishes.

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Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:07 AM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

Let me give my opinion here. My KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification is based on Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s novel findings, as given in his article "BIRTH TIME VERIFICATION" in the book

"Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2".

 

Shri MPS has said in his eye-opener article that the GIVEN BIRTH TIME is correct,

1. if Asc Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

2. if Asc Sublord's Sublord = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

3. if Asc Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

4. if Asc Sublord has a Sublord; this Sublord's SubSubSublord (SSSL) = Moon's Signlord or Starlord;

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Signlord or Starlord, then the Given Birth Time is correct.

If anyone of these is the same as Moon's Starlord itself, then it is more preferred.

 

Now, what can we understand from this? In line, we can say that

Birth Asc Sublord should be in some way be connected to Birth Moon's Position. (OR)

One's Birth Lagna position will have some connection to the Moon's position in his Chart.

"WHY?" is another question.

 

Now, please study my observation.

We all know that Moon's Starlord is the DASA lord at the time of one's birth..

Suppose a native is born in the period of Venus DASA - and in the beginning of Kethu BHUKTHI -

i.e.WITH A DASA BALANCE of about, say, 1 year.

Here, it is evident that out of 20 years of his Venus DASA, 19 years had lapsed before his birth, and only the last BHUKTHI of Kethu has given the birth.

At this juncture, would it not be logically meaningful to give some weightage to KETHU, which will appear as the Moon's Sublord in his Birth Chart?

Most part of Venus DASA had lapsed making it weaker. So, naturally Kethu, alongwith Venus

has played the major role in influencing the birth of the native.

 

With this same logical reasoning, anybody can see the truth that

a BIRTH occurs in a particular DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA period.

( NOTE: Shri. A.R.RAICHUR' s Software gives this DASA balance in years, BHUKTHI balance

in months, and ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA balances in days at BIRTH.)

These DASA, BHUKTHI, ANTHARA and SOOKSHAMA Lords are nothing but, as we must know,

Birth Moon's STARLORD, SUBLORD, SUBSUBLORD and SUBSUBSUBLORD.

i.e., DBAS at Birth = Moon's Starlord, Sublord, SubSublord (SS), SubSubSublord (SSS).

 

Hence, will it not be correct to relate Asc Sublord to any of these DBAS Lords at birth, i.e. the Birth's Moon's Position?

 

So, Shri.M.P.Shanmugam' s rule can be conveniently modified for better usage as below:

" If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord,

then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

This is the first rule in my KP-MK Formula of Birth Time Verification,

which I will put into this Forum in detail shortly.

This I have been applying for all Birth Charts since 2003. And it works well.

But, of course, then there is the Signification part which needs to be modified,

which has been given the name KP-MK Formula of Cuspal Point Signification (CPS).

 

Shall be back with you soon.

 

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 3, 2008 7:20:39 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Please accept my due regards.

I have aquintance with the term 'Prenatal Epock'. But I am unaware the details. Will you kindly give a brief note on the topic please?

Thanking you.

Dr. Luther

 

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, September 2, 2008 8:45:51 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %....

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups..comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e.. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given).....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7...... 297> Incorrect (-20 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3...... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6...... 298> Incorrect

(5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)........ 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Dear Luther,

 

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

 

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

 

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

 

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

 

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji,

 

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

 

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

 

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB – 15th July 1980

TOB – 8-54 AM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB – 6th December 1971

TOB – 12-15 PM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 



|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

 

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

 

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

 

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

 

 

 

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

 

 

 

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Dr Luther,

Please mention sex of Native X and Y.

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Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:48 AM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham’s rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB – 15th July 1980

TOB – 8-54 AM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB – 6th December 1971

TOB – 12-15 PM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 



|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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Respected Sir,

Very sorry for not mentioning. Both of them are females.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

 

swami <swami Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:34:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 



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Dear Dr Luther,

Please mention sex of Native X and Y.

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Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:48 AM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically.. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham’s rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB – 15th July 1980

TOB – 8-54 AM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB – 6th December 1971

TOB – 12-15 PM

POB – 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 



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Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

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Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

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Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

 

 

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or – 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or – 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7...... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5

min)...... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)....... 4..... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

 

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