Differences between K.P. and 4 step theory

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Dear Tin Win

 

Mr.Tin Win has compared the k.p. with 4 step theory. I have some doubts in it.

 

Tin win:

2. Basic Significators

1) All significators are considered in the order of strength, grade A,B,C,D & E with the astrologer’s own judgment based on his experience taking into account of sub lords.

 

Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK has ordered the priority. He recommended to take only the prime significator. One should go to B grade only if A grade is not available. If A grade significator is available there is no need to go to B grade.

 

Tin win:

3. Rahu/Ketu Significators

1) Whether Rahu/Ketu is a planet or star lord or sub lord, the followings e been found taken in KP Readers depending on relevance to the event under consideration regardless of their sequence of order (“Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP” by Tin Win in KPE-Zine, May 2007):

i) House occupied by Rahu/Ketu,

ii) Planet in conjun. with Rahu/Ketu,

iii) Planet in aspect to Rahu/Ketu and

iv) Star lord of Rahu/Ketu,

v) Sign lord of rasi sign occupied by Rahu/Ketu.

2) Conjunction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb are used.

3) No planet is wholly benefic or malefic depending on the signification at 3 levels by occupation and lordship.

 

Dhanabalan:Mr.KSK gave priority order. If there is no conjoined planet then only we have to go the next step of aspecting planets. When there is no conjoin and no aspecting planet then only we can go to the next level signlord signification.

 

Mr.KSK did not tell anywhere that conjuction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb for Rahu/Ketu. Mr.KSK is the strong believer of western aspect with orb. In his examples he used the western aspect then and there. His principle is to use western aspect with orb. May be he used vedic aspect without orb in his examples, for that we should not presume in the other way. Stick to the principle. In some examples he used the western aspect also.

Tin win:

5.Ruling Planets

1) The RPs in order of preference are:

i) Lagna’s star lord

ii) Lagna’s sign lord

iii) Moon’s star lord

iv) Moon’s sign lord

v) Day lord,

2) Moon’s sub lord and Lagna’s sub lord are added by some KP followers.

3) If Rahu/Ketu is in conj. or aspect with the RP; or if it occupies the sign owned by the RP, Rahu/Ketu should be included as the RP.

4) The RP in the star or sub of retrograde planet should be omitted.

 

Dhanabalan: For birth time rectification, all the planets even retrograde planets, planets in the star and sub of retrograde planets are also to be considered without elimination.

 

Tin win:

7.Uranus, Neptune & Pluto

Pluto, no more a planet since 2006, now called Plutoid, was not even mentioned in KP Readers. No planet is wholly benefic or malefic.

 

Dhanabalan: K.P. was developed from vedic astrology only. K.P. is 100% vedic. In k.p. system also houses are not allotted to Uranus, Pluto and Neptune. These planets are not running the dasas. Hence there is no need to consider these planets for prediction in k.p.

 

Dhanabalan

 

 

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, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Tin Win> > Mr.Tin Win has compared the k.p. with 4 step theory. I have some doubts in it.> > Tin win:> 2. Basic Significators> 1) All significators are considered in the order of strength, grade A,B,C,D & E with the astrologer's own judgment based on his experience taking into account of sub lords.> > Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK has ordered the priority. He recommended to take only the prime significator. One should go to B grade only if A grade is not available. If A grade significator is available there is no need to go to B grade.>

to take only the prime significator is in the 4 step, not recommended by Guruji KSK, instead in p 274 of the KP Vol. 2 of 1966:-

It is important to note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At last one is to proceed futher and apply the last rule (order (e))

> Tin win:> 3. Rahu/Ketu Significators> 1) Whether Rahu/Ketu is a planet or star lord or sub lord, the followings e been found taken in KP Readers depending on relevance to the event under consideration regardless of their sequence of order ("Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP" by Tin Win in KPE-Zine, May 2007):> i) House occupied by Rahu/Ketu,> ii) Planet in conjun. with Rahu/Ketu,> iii) Planet in aspect to Rahu/Ketu and> iv) Star lord of Rahu/Ketu,> v) Sign lord of rasi sign occupied by Rahu/Ketu. > 2) Conjunction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb are used.> 3) No planet is wholly benefic or malefic depending on the signification at 3 levels by occupation and lordship.> > Dhanabalan:Mr.KSK gave priority order. If there is no conjoined planet then only we have to go the next step of aspecting planets. When there is no conjoin and no aspecting planet then only we can go to the next level signlord signification.> > Mr.KSK did not tell anywhere that conjuction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb for Rahu/Ketu. Mr.KSK is the strong believer of western aspect with orb. In his examples he used the western aspect then and there. His principle is to use western aspect with orb. May be he used vedic aspect without orb in his examples, for that we should not presume in the other way. Stick to the principle. In some examples he used the western aspect also.

Pl refer the article in which each and every practical signification of Rahu/Ketu in the KP Readers has been reviewed. What said before that Guruji doesn't follow the priority order is correct. Guruji KSK's experimental application in the original 2 volumes is much reduced in the Readers perhaps because of the problem in the reconsilation the outright good or bad by the nature of the Western aspects and the signification by the KP rules.> > Tin win:> 5.Ruling Planets> 1) The RPs in order of preference are:> i) Lagna's star lord> ii) Lagna's sign lord> iii) Moon's star lord> iv) Moon's sign lord> v) Day lord, > 2) Moon's sub lord and Lagna's sub lord are added by some KP followers. > 3) If Rahu/Ketu is in conj. or aspect with the RP; or if it occupies the sign owned by the RP, Rahu/Ketu should be included as the RP.> 4) The RP in the star or sub of retrograde planet should be omitted.> > Dhanabalan: For birth time rectification, all the planets even retrograde planets, planets in the star and sub of retrograde planets are also to be considered without elimination.

This is what is said in the 4 step and pl think how much it is reliable based on the 4 step saying that the Horary is rarely used. > > Tin win:> 7.Uranus, Neptune & Pluto> Pluto, no more a planet since 2006, now called Plutoid, was not even mentioned in KP Readers. No planet is wholly benefic or malefic.> > Dhanabalan: K.P. was developed from vedic astrology only. K.P. is 100% vedic. In k.p. system also houses are not allotted to Uranus, Pluto and Neptune.. These planets are not running the dasas. Hence there is no need to consider these planets for prediction in k.p.

The following poits acn be found in the latest article on "A Review on Effect of Pluto".

 

1. Although Pluto was discovered in 1930 and originally classified as a planet, limited information on the distant, tiny object delayed a realistic understanding of its characteristics. In 2006 Pluto was reclassified by astronomers as a "dwarf planet" and therefore is no longer considered a planet in astronomy.

 

2. The Pluto is not mentioned at all in the KP Readers and only the basic knowledge is written about Uranus and Pluto in the KP Reader II as they do not rule any dasa for the KP analysis. They are not practically applied with any example chart, except one time just mentioning of the diseased marriage wife and second marriage for a native having Neptune on the 7th cusp (KP Reader IV, 1978, page 182, under the heading "Can't change fate"). It is to note that it may happen only "if Neptune is afflicted, …" (KP Reader II, page 340).

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