Michael Jackson

[Guest guest]

--Dear All Members,

My internet connection resumed after a week long break, as such I was out of

contact with you all.

One of my favorite singer is MJ , I booked tickets for his show in India. I am

unfortunate his show was cancelled.

After seeing your discussion about his horoscope , I was searching for his

height on web.

 

Finally I got it at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio

Date of Birth 29 August 1958, Gary, Indiana, USA

Height

5' 10 " (1.78 m)

Spouse

Debbie Rowe (15 November 1996 - 8 October 1999) (divorced) 2 children

Lisa Marie Presley (26 May 1994 - 18 January 1996) (divorced)

 

Doing Birth Time Verification with HEIGHT

I found his Date of birth to be 30 August 1958 at 01:52:35 am

Karkataka Lagna ( 3deg falling in first drekkanna ) .

 

Mercury( as 12th lord ) in 2nd with Sun ( separative characteristic planet )

gives multiple marriages and separation too.

 

Mercury as 12th in second indicates – he cannot save money .

(if we SAV – 12th bhava has 29 bindus & 2nd has 27 however 11th bhava has 37

indicates that he earns and spends )

 

# Lagna is falling in first drekkanna indicating he will major health problem in

HEAD region.

 

There is Ketu & Mars in Mesha ( kalapurusha) , (considering kuja vat ketu )

Mars is karaka for surgery – so there are multiple surgery on face .

 

Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu . indicating

Surgery on face.

 

Rahu & Jupiter combination leads to cancer . Which will lead to sudden death

caused by congestion in lungs.

 

Similary Transit of major planets like Saturn , Jupiter & rahu on 2nd,8th & 6th

bhava

 

If We see Transit on BinnAshtaka Varga of Mars - transit mars is in conjunct

with natal mars ( having 3 bindus) and Saturn transiting on 2 bindus.

 

DASA : Ketu – Sat which are in 6/8 – not a favourable period.

 

This is as brief as possible I have given.

 

 

- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Hello Neena,

>

> CDT +5 should give Libra Asc

>

> Ron

>

> neenako wrote:

> > -

> > Ron,

> >

> > With 11-53 a.m.time I am getting Scorpio lagna and not Libra.

> >

> > Could you check again?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Neena

> > -- In jyotish-vidya , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote:

> >> Hello Anil,

> >>

> >> There are a few problems with the 11.53 pm chart. ie Taurus ascendant.

> >> Michael Jackson is fiery and charismatic yet Sa is closely aspecting the

> >> ascendant.

> >> Ma does aspect ascendant lord Ve but is a little weak by degree and in

> >> the 12H.

> >>

> >> Also 12L Ma aspecting 10L Sa is not great for a performer.

> >>

> >>

> >> I think that the PM should be AM and the correct time is more likely

> >> 11.53am giving Libra ascendant. For Libra ascendant Ma becomes angular

> >> and aspects both ascendant and Ve and Sa Lord of 5H (entertainment).

> >>

> >> Often when the nodes are in the ascendant there can be confusion with

> >> the BT. For Libra ascendant mean Ra is in the ascendant.

> >>

> >>

> >> Ron

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ANIL CORDA wrote:

> >>> Dear Neena,

> >>>

> >>> Time of birth is 11.53 pm..... (just see the comment and the link)

> >>>

> >>> If it would help: after a similar discussion about the same issue at

another

> >>> forum in 2003, I had a brief e-mail exchange with Basil Ferrington, an

> >>> astrologer who discussed the subject of this thread directly with MJ. This

> >>> is what Basil had to say (I am quoting from his e-mail to me): " I have

taken

> >>> interest in Jackson's concerns because I am a musician and because the

> >>> timing of the story helps to define definitively the rectification of

> >>> *Jackson's

> >>> horoscope that I did some years ago (August 29, 1958; 11:57 PM CDT, Gary,

> >>> Indiana) for Noel Tyl's book, " Astrology Of The Famed. " I was initially

> >>> given a time of " after 10:30 PM " by Jackson himself*. Subsequent to that,

a

> >>> biography of his life was released, edited by Jackie Onassis, in which it

> >>> was stated that Jackson was born very late in the evening. My initial

> >>> rectification of 11:57 PM turned out to be just four minutes late;* the

> >>> actual time of 11:53 PM was confirmed by a Jackson representative whom I

had

> >>> occasion to meet. "

> >>> *

> >>> The story Basil refers to is February/March 2003 scandal about the alleged

> >>> pedophilia of MJ. Most definitely the most damaging year (so far) in the

> >>> whole MJ's career.

> >>>

> >>> My two bits towards the discussion.

> >>>

> >>> Paul Paral

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4449 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & \

start=0 & sid=378589a52702c0caa5141524c5b91ca9

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>>

> >>> Anil

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:10 AM, neenako <neena-k@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Hi,

> >>>>

> >>>> has anyone had a look at MJ's chart?

> >>>>

> >>>> His death at such a young age is a shocker. Does his chart show any self

> >>>> destructive tendencies? He had been so dependant on drugs and pain

killers.

> >>>>

> >>>> I understand his d.o.b is August29,1958. p.o.b is Gary, Indiana,USA and

> >>>> t.o.b is 10.00 a.m.

> >>>>

> >>>> According to my chart the asc is Libra and current dasa was Mercury and

> >>>> antardasa of Jupiter.

> >>>>

> >>>> For Libra lagna, Mercury being the 12th lord can act asa Maraka grah.

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>> Neena

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu,

 

///Doing Birth Time Verification with HEIGHT

I found his Date of birth to be 30 August 1958 at 01:52:35 am

Karkataka Lagna ( 3deg falling in first drekkanna )///

 

I don't think anyone can dispute the official DATE of his birth which is

recorded as 29 Aug. I think it's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) to

move to the next day to prove a point.

 

///Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .

indicating Surgery on face.///

 

To the best of my knowledge, 1st house and the sign Aries govern the head

(as in brain and forehead). 2nd house and the sign Taurus govern the face

and neck. If we look at Taurus lagna (23:53) we find fiery Mars aspecting

lagna lord Venus from Aries (12th house). Remember forehead, head and

brain are governed by 1st house and the sign Aries. Bear in mind that,

for the time of 23:53 Taurus was rising 23:31:58 in the nakshatra of

Mrigashi lorded by Mars...the planet of accidents etc..

 

I'm not absolutely certain of the date but the information I have states

that the hair on the back of Michael's head was severely burned during

the shooting of a Pepsi commercial on (or about) 27 Jan. 1984. The dasa

at that time was ME-VE-SA. Note natal Mars aspect on bhukti lord Venus.

 

TRANSITS:

On that day bhukti lord Venus, along with Mercury and 8th lord Jupiter,

were transiting 8th house of accidents whilst P/D lord Saturn was joined

(in transit) by Mars...

 

(I'm trying to keep this as brief as possible as, once again, time is

running away from me, sorry!)

 

///There is Ketu & Mars in Mesha ( kalapurusha) , (considering kuja vat

ketu ) Mars is karaka for surgery - so there are multiple surgery on

face. Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .

indicating Surgery on face.///

 

Let's take another look at this. Please note the influences on 2nd house

(Taurus lagna). 8th lord Jupiter, dispositor of Ketu, is in mutual aspect

with Mars...8th house as we know governs such things as surgical

intervention, and Mars, of course, represents the surgeon's knife. Please

consider (this) Jupiter's aspect on 2nd house which governs face and

neck... Please try to study the example given on following page when you

have time.

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/kalapurusha.htm

 

A link to this page is (also) found here

http://jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm scroll down the page to the link

" Limbs of Kalapurusha "

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" chandu " <rchandu_98

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:13 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

--Dear All Members,

My internet connection resumed after a week long break, as such I was out

of contact with you all.

One of my favorite singer is MJ , I booked tickets for his show in India.

I am unfortunate his show was cancelled.

After seeing your discussion about his horoscope , I was searching for

his height on web.

 

Finally I got it at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio

Date of Birth 29 August 1958, Gary, Indiana, USA

Height

5' 10 " (1.78 m)

Spouse

Debbie Rowe (15 November 1996 - 8 October 1999) (divorced) 2 children

Lisa Marie Presley (26 May 1994 - 18 January 1996) (divorced)

 

Doing Birth Time Verification with HEIGHT

I found his Date of birth to be 30 August 1958 at 01:52:35 am

Karkataka Lagna ( 3deg falling in first drekkanna ) .

 

Mercury( as 12th lord ) in 2nd with Sun ( separative characteristic

planet ) gives multiple marriages and separation too.

 

Mercury as 12th in second indicates - he cannot save money .

(if we SAV - 12th bhava has 29 bindus & 2nd has 27 however 11th bhava has

37 indicates that he earns and spends )

 

# Lagna is falling in first drekkanna indicating he will major health

problem in HEAD region.

 

There is Ketu & Mars in Mesha ( kalapurusha) , (considering kuja vat

etu ) Mars is karaka for surgery - so there are multiple surgery on face

..

 

Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .

indicating Surgery on face.

 

Rahu & Jupiter combination leads to cancer . Which will lead to sudden

death caused by congestion in lungs.

 

Similary Transit of major planets like Saturn , Jupiter & rahu on 2nd,8th

& 6th bhava

 

If We see Transit on BinnAshtaka Varga of Mars - transit mars is in

conjunct with natal mars ( having 3 bindus) and Saturn transiting on 2

bindus.

 

DASA : Ketu - Sat which are in 6/8 - not a favourable period.

 

This is as brief as possible I have given.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy

 

You are absolutely correct it is head definetly not face ( it s my mistake while doing cut & paste )

 

I want to write about injuries on head.which was not discussed.

 

secondly regarding time of birth : I have discussed with doctors the time taken from shirosodaya

to bhoosthapana , it can be 5minutes to more than 5 hrs in normal delivery.

 

Here I dont want to discuss.

 

 

Thanking you.

 

Chandu.

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyaRe: Re: Michael Jacksonjyotish-vidya Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 2:22 PM

 

 

Dear Chandu,///Doing Birth Time Verification with HEIGHTI found his Date of birth to be 30 August 1958 at 01:52:35 amKarkataka Lagna ( 3deg falling in first drekkanna )///I don't think anyone can dispute the official DATE of his birth which isrecorded as 29 Aug. I think it's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) tomove to the next day to prove a point.///Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .indicating Surgery on face.///To the best of my knowledge, 1st house and the sign Aries govern the head(as in brain and forehead). 2nd house and the sign Taurus govern the faceand neck. If we look at Taurus lagna (23:53) we find fiery Mars aspectinglagna lord Venus from Aries (12th house). Remember forehead, head andbrain are governed by 1st house and the sign Aries. Bear in mind that,for the time of 23:53 Taurus was rising 23:31:58 in the nakshatra ofMrigashi

lorded by Mars...the planet of accidents etc..I'm not absolutely certain of the date but the information I have statesthat the hair on the back of Michael's head was severely burned duringthe shooting of a Pepsi commercial on (or about) 27 Jan. 1984. The dasaat that time was ME-VE-SA. Note natal Mars aspect on bhukti lord Venus.TRANSITS:On that day bhukti lord Venus, along with Mercury and 8th lord Jupiter,were transiting 8th house of accidents whilst P/D lord Saturn was joined(in transit) by Mars...(I'm trying to keep this as brief as possible as, once again, time isrunning away from me, sorry!)///There is Ketu & Mars in Mesha ( kalapurusha) , (considering kuja vatketu ) Mars is karaka for surgery - so there are multiple surgery onface. Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .indicating Surgery on face.///Let's take another look at this. Please

note the influences on 2nd house(Taurus lagna). 8th lord Jupiter, dispositor of Ketu, is in mutual aspectwith Mars...8th house as we know governs such things as surgicalintervention, and Mars, of course, represents the surgeon's knife. Pleaseconsider (this) Jupiter's aspect on 2nd house which governs face andneck... Please try to study the example given on following page when youhave time.http://jyotishvidya .com/kalapurusha .htmA link to this page is (also) found herehttp://jyotishvidya .com/prikriti. htm scroll down the page to the link"Limbs of Kalapurusha"Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______----- Original

Message ----- "chandu" <rchandu_98 (AT) (DOT) co.uk><jyotish-vidya>Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:13 PM Re: Michael Jackson--Dear All Members,My internet connection resumed after a week long break, as such I was outof contact with you all.One of my favorite singer is MJ , I booked tickets for his show in India.I am unfortunate his show was cancelled.After seeing your discussion about his horoscope , I was searching forhis height on web.Finally I got it at http://www.imdb. com/name/ nm0001391/ bioDate of Birth 29 August 1958, Gary, Indiana, USAHeight5' 10" (1.78 m)SpouseDebbie Rowe (15 November 1996 - 8 October 1999) (divorced) 2 childrenLisa Marie Presley (26 May 1994 - 18 January 1996) (divorced)Doing Birth Time Verification with HEIGHTI found his Date of birth to be 30 August 1958 at 01:52:35 amKarkataka Lagna ( 3deg falling in first drekkanna ) .Mercury( as 12th lord ) in 2nd with Sun ( separative characteristicplanet ) gives multiple marriages and separation too.Mercury as 12th in second indicates - he cannot save money .(if we SAV - 12th bhava has 29 bindus & 2nd has 27 however 11th bhava has37 indicates that he earns and spends )# Lagna is falling in first drekkanna indicating he will major healthproblem in HEAD region.There is Ketu & Mars in Mesha ( kalapurusha) , (considering kuja

vatetu ) Mars is karaka for surgery - so there are multiple surgery on face.Now let us consider Lagna, which is aspected by kuja and ketu .indicating Surgery on face.Rahu & Jupiter combination leads to cancer . Which will lead to suddendeath caused by congestion in lungs.Similary Transit of major planets like Saturn , Jupiter & rahu on 2nd,8th & 6th bhavaIf We see Transit on BinnAshtaka Varga of Mars - transit mars is inconjunct with natal mars ( having 3 bindus) and Saturn transiting on 2bindus.DASA : Ketu - Sat which are in 6/8 - not a favourable period.This is as brief as possible I have given.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu,

 

///I want to write about injuries on head.which was not discussed.///

 

I await your further comments on this...

 

///secondly regarding time of birth : I have discussed with doctors the

time taken from shirosodaya to bhoosthapana , it can be 5minutes to more

than 5 hrs in normal delivery.

 

Here I dont want to discuss.///

 

Why would you not want to discuss this here? I find this difficult to

understand...we are a discussion group, are we not?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" chandu r " <rchandu_98

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:00 PM

Re: Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy

 

You are absolutely correct it is head definetly not face ( it s my

mistake while doing cut & paste )

 

I want to write about injuries on head.which was not discussed.

 

secondly regarding time of birth : I have discussed with doctors the time

taken from shirosodaya

to bhoosthapana , it can be 5minutes to more than 5 hrs in normal

delivery.

 

Here I dont want to discuss.

 

 

Thanking you.

 

Chandu.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

 

//// PS: It would be good to see some other's attempt at confirming Michael's

> T.O.B.. There's enough data now to work with, surely./////

 

I agree :-)

 

It looks like so far Taurus and Libra are the favorites.

 

From my perpsective there is a huge emotional psychological component as well as

MJ's innovative pioneering genuis in the musical and entertainment arena. This

is where I am beginning to look to hone in on T.O.B

 

It will be interesting to see where other learned members as yourself break down

the chart for accuracy. Great learning lesson for sure.

 

Thanks too for those who have already put forth their results. it gives great

insight.

 

As always,

 

Uttara

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> Thank you for the update! It's good to hear from you again...

>

> I'll write some more on Michael's chart later today...have a few things

> off-list to catch up on at the moment.

>

> PS: It would be good to see some other's attempt at confirming Michael's

> T.O.B.. There's enough data now to work with, surely.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> <muttaraphalguni

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:11 PM

> Re: Michael Jackson

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

>

> >>> Many thanks for the info...will go through it carefully as soon as I

> >>> can.<<<

>

> Your very welcome!

>

> >>> I've tried phoning you several times to see how you're doing...left

> >>> messages on your answering machine...did you get them?<<<

>

> No, unfortunately, I have not. However, I am in good spirits resting at

> home after a complicated month of health issues and multiple trips in and

> out of the hospital. Mainly, it is my heart acting up something awful.

> I sleep more than awake these last weeks. The fatigue is really

> debilitating. I am seeing a pancreatic specialist shortly for an

> endoscopic pancreatic biopsy with ultra sound to rule out metastatic

> breast cancer to the pancreas or primary pancreatic cancer. The mass was

> found earlier this month while ruling out cancer of the lung and liver.

> Both the lung and liver will continue to be watched and the lung retested

> in 3 to 6 months. The liver every month for it is showing end stage

> steatohepatitis with fibrous cell proliferation at the main bile duct.

> the doctors say they don't know how progressively fast the liver will

> continue to deteriorate or turn cancerous. Each person is different.

>

> I can't wait to get my heart fixed with pace maker and pulmonary

> ablation. I am sure this is the culprit to my fatigue and compromised

> breathing along with blacking out. Saturn transiting my 12th hse Leo

> (natural fifth - heat and spine) will be over in September. So, I am

> counting the days!!!

>

> Just the thought of having a good heart again thrills me to no end and

> keeps my spirits up. If the pancreas is ruled out for cancer and only a

> type of cyst then I can get my heart fixed before surgery on the pancreas

> which will be less risky and traumatic.

>

> In the the meantime, I am glad I have had this opportunity to contribute

> to JV regarding information on Michael Jackson's chart.

> It's a good distraction!!! If nothing else I watch more news while

> lounging so I just happen to have all the times and such. The coverage

> here has been a constant stream of everything Michael. Now one of the

> tabloids came out with the exclusive one picture of Michael being

> intubated and CPR before being rushed to UCLA. Gad, no privacy even in

> death.

>

> Thank you again for your loving concern.

>

> The best to you and everyone here at JV

>

> As Always,

> Uttara

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I have a slightly different birth time for MJ, as we know usually it is the case

with famous persons like MJ, which goes as follows:

 

11:57 PM on 29th August 1958

Gary, In (US)

Universal Time 4:57 on 30th August 1958

Sidereal time 21:39:08

 

Asc: Taurus, 24:34:13

Moon: Aquarius, 23:51:8

 

 

Lagna Lord in 3rd house and 3rd lord in 10th house, Mars aspects powerfully the

Venus is a clear indication of the kind of " stamina " required for a dancer and a

hectic life style of MJ.

 

Mars becomes the 3rd lord from Moon. Saturn, the sign lord of Moon, moves to

10th. Notice, how this einforces the above conclusion once again. From Moon,

Rahu in 8th..... explains a lot of his psychology....

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

Death took place (probale cause of death being reported as cardiac arrest) in

Ke/Ra/Me. Sun and Mercury ® both influnced by Saturn from 7th, the maraka

house and his placement in the 7th qualifies him a potential killer. Mercury is

the 2nd lord. Further, Mercury disposits Rahu.

 

From Venus, the Lagna Lord, Saturn becomes the 7th and 8th lord. Sun becomes

the 2nd lord and Mercury becomes the lord of 12th house. Rahu in 3rd house, a

clear indication of nature of death (chemicals, drugs, needles - poison )in his

body at the time of death.

 

With this, tranist of Ketu over Venus in 3rd house(Lagna Lord in 3rd House, Rahu

and Ketu in 1:7 axis.), Saturn over Sun and Mercury is a clear explanation from

the parashari angle.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

I agree with you absolutely! Taurus lagna seems unquestionable to

me...the slight time difference I will look at closely when I get

back...have to go out in a few minutes.

 

I ask members to consider carefully the placement of lagnesh Venus in 3rd

(aspected by energetic/ambitious Mars) with 3rd lord Moon in 10th house

of career/name/fame. What other lagna could show this more clearly? His

fame will surely endure!

 

It's been said that his need/desire for the " love " of the people (the

public) was the greatest driving force in his life...

 

Must leave this here for now or I'll be late...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:57 AM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I have a slightly different birth time for MJ, as we know usually it is

the case with famous persons like MJ, which goes as follows:

 

11:57 PM on 29th August 1958

Gary, In (US)

Universal Time 4:57 on 30th August 1958

Sidereal time 21:39:08

 

Asc: Taurus, 24:34:13

Moon: Aquarius, 23:51:8

 

 

Lagna Lord in 3rd house and 3rd lord in 10th house, Mars aspects

powerfully the Venus is a clear indication of the kind of " stamina "

required for a dancer and a hectic life style of MJ.

 

Mars becomes the 3rd lord from Moon. Saturn, the sign lord of Moon,

moves to 10th. Notice, how this einforces the above conclusion once

again. From Moon, Rahu in 8th..... explains a lot of his psychology....

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

Death took place (probale cause of death being reported as cardiac

arrest) in Ke/Ra/Me. Sun and Mercury ® both influnced by Saturn from

7th, the maraka house and his placement in the 7th qualifies him a

potential killer. Mercury is the 2nd lord. Further, Mercury disposits

Rahu.

 

From Venus, the Lagna Lord, Saturn becomes the 7th and 8th lord. Sun

becomes the 2nd lord and Mercury becomes the lord of 12th house. Rahu in

3rd house, a clear indication of nature of death (chemicals, drugs,

needles - poison )in his body at the time of death.

 

With this, tranist of Ketu over Venus in 3rd house(Lagna Lord in 3rd

House, Rahu and Ketu in 1:7 axis.), Saturn over Sun and Mercury is a

clear explanation from the parashari angle.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I do not see a reply for this mail uptil now.

 

The poster had mentioned that " singer, pouplar person esp with women

so must have a good Sukra '.

 

This is common knoledge to even a new entrant of of one day in astrology

that Venus is connected to MUsic, so whats new here ???

 

What Lagna has been ascertained by the poster ?

 

Where is the analysis ?

 

What is the logical reason - astrological for every point made by the

poster, which I see - None.

 

Why is the reply not forthcoming ?

 

Please be strict and not allow the non-astrologers not to mention just

anything on this esteemed Forum which is known to be a great one and

serious for astrological discussions.

 

best wishes and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> ///but like Obama he has a long ish face///

>

> To be able to judge anything according to facial features I think we

> would have to consider how he looked before surgery.

>

> ///with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good

Kendra

> for Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,///

>

> According to my calculations Jupiter occupies Libra whilst Rahu

occupies

> Virgo?

>

> ///I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis

and

> worked backwards///

>

> His time of death was reported as 14:26?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " astro desk " astro.prashantkumar

> " Wendy Vasicek " jyotishvidya

> Monday, June 29, 2009 7:26 PM

> Fwd: Michael Jackson

>

>

>

> Dear Members

>

> the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the world of

> instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's

>

> a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for

the

> AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a

human

> being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money

> for

> relief

>

> anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on

the

> chart for discussion

>

>

> my attempt at it

> -----------------------

> I tried 18.01 Hrs what I can make of his life, events, death

> again do say celebrity data is a slippery one so w we can try our bit

to

> relate both astrology and what we know in a humble way could be right

or

> wrong.

> if we explain it in some way does help many new comers to analyse data

,

> events for time of birth missing ppl.

> but like Obama he has a long ish face

> a singer, pouplar person esp with women so must have a good Sukra

> a celebrity, humaiterian

> and also a controversial one

> with Guru+rahu involved the best place for it is 10th a v good Kendra

> for

> Guru but with rahu the controversy seems right,

>

> I have currently chosen his death time 02.26 hrs LA, CA as a basis and

> worked backwards

>

>

>

>

> Prashant

> *Some events in his life*

>

> August 29,

> 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana.

>

> August 1962: Singing debut

> with his brothers, The Jackson Five.

>

> March 1969: First Jackson

> Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label.

> Michael's

> voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be

> There " .

>

> 1970: Launch of solo

> career alongside that of the Jackson Five.

>

> August 1979: Release of " Off

> The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million

copies.

>

> December 1982: release of

> " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat

It, "

> pushing

> sales to 50 million copies worldwide.

>

> 1984: Jackson's face gets

> burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad.

>

> 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a

> company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for

47.5

> million

> dollars.

>

> 1985: Jackson

> writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in

> Africa.

>

> 1987: Release of " Bad, "

> which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration

with

> Quincy

> Jones.

>

> 1988: His

> autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out.

>

> 1990: Michael Jackson is

> seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/

>

> 1992: Release of

> " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/

>

> August 1993: A father

> accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of

> court/

>

> May 1994: February 1996:

> marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/

>

> June 1995: Release of

> " History " album/

>

> November

> 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with

whom

> he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine

> .

> October 2001: Release of

> " Invincible " .

>

> July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

> especially

> African-Americans.

>

> November 19,

> 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old

Prince

> Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony.

>

> January 31, 2003: Sotheby's

> auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two

> paintings.

>

>

> February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on

> ITV,

> Jackson claims never to have

> abused a child, merely to have shared his bed.

>

> February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

> back

> salary, which is settled out

> of court in June.

>

> November

> 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number

Ones "

> album is released.

>

> November

> 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child

> molestation.

>

> November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to

> police, held briefly

> then released on bail.

>

> December

> 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation.

>

> January 16, 2004: Jackson

> pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus.

>

> January 31, 2005: Michael

> Jackson trial begins with jury selection.

>

> February 28, 2005: Opening

> arguments begin in trial.

>

> June 4,

> 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict.

>

> June 13, 2005: Jackson

> acquitted on all charges against him.

>

> March 5, 2009: Jackson

> announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the

" final

> curtain "

> -- his first major shows for more than a decade.

>

> May 20, 2009: Jackson delays

> comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " .

>

> June 25, 2009: Jackson dies

> in Los Angeles.

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Membe

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste, CS Ravindramani....your configurations/rectification of MJ chart are most intriguing....assuming you ment to type Rahu in the 5th, right?Regards,blessings to youSabine ..............................http://pbase.com/stetsaWe dont see things as they are, we see things as we are.Anais Nin

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani and All,

 

Working on the assumption that your (rectified) time is correct, let's

take a look at just one of the major events in his life. Interestingly,

as we've only recently been discussing the indications for litigation

and/or prosecution, Michael's chart offers another opportunity for

further study.

 

The following link on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson reports that Michael was

charged with seven counts of child molestation on 18 Dec 2003...

 

At the time he was running dasa of ME-SA-ME. Combust dasa lord Mercury

occupies 4th bhava...12th house of loss from 5th house of children. This

is an indication that some difficulties regarding children could manifest

as his experience during this period. 12th, as we know, governs such

things as secret enemies, fall, sin, pleasures of the bed, expenditure

etc..

 

Antardasa lord Saturn, karaka for 8th, occupies 7th house which indeed

governs " Law Courts " , indicating that court appearance could manifest as

his experience during this period. Looking at the transits for the day he

was actually charged we find dasa lord Mercury transiting bhukti lord

Saturn in 7th whilst both 8th karaka Saturn and 8th lord Jupiter,

transiting lagna, were in mutual aspect with dasa lord Mercury

(transiting 7th). It certainly seems there were enough indicators (at the

time) supporting this particular event i.e. being officially charged with

child molestation.

 

Jackson was arraigned on 16 Jan 2004 and, after a lengthy trial, he was

found 'Not Guilty " on 13 Jun 2005. Time doesn't permit me to do a

detailed study of the dasas/transits for the time of arraignment or for

the time the verdict was handed down...perhaps others would like to offer

their input on this...

 

Dear Manoj,

 

As per your below post, which I haven't really had time to respond to, we

have in fact addressed the main questions you asked through discussions

of other charts presenting similar questions, so (perhaps) in a

non-direct fashion, your questions have indeed been answered...your

contribution would certainly be welcome :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Manoj Chandran " <chandran_manoj

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:39 AM

Re: Re: Predicting the outcome of litigation

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy and All,

 

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

 

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody

battle. Notice he is running a strong Sa dasha. Sa-Rahu started

separation and for the last two years the couple have been separated.

Official divorce proceedings in court started Jan 2009 (Sa- Ju). Jupiter

is the exalted 6th lord of Rashi in 10th house. In the D-9 Jupiter is in

the 8th house with Rahu. Jupiter is also the D-9 lagna lord.

 

I am in a bad time crunch so cannot do more exhaustive analysis.

 

But interesting questions for the group are:

 

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife

(soon to be ex-wife)?

 

A bonus question is :

 

What was the profession of the wife before marriage?

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

 

I will be honest and say that when I got his chart first, I could NOT

guess his wife's profession from this chart. Interestingly her profession

changed after marriage and she went into a profession that I HAD Guessed

from my analysis initially !!!

 

So there are enough clues for any one willing to attempt !!!

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

_____

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:57 AM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I have a slightly different birth time for MJ, as we know usually it is

the case with famous persons like MJ, which goes as follows:

 

11:57 PM on 29th August 1958

Gary, In (US)

Universal Time 4:57 on 30th August 1958

Sidereal time 21:39:08

 

Asc: Taurus, 24:34:13

Moon: Aquarius, 23:51:8

 

 

Lagna Lord in 3rd house and 3rd lord in 10th house, Mars aspects

powerfully the Venus is a clear indication of the kind of " stamina "

required for a dancer and a hectic life style of MJ.

 

Mars becomes the 3rd lord from Moon. Saturn, the sign lord of Moon,

moves to 10th. Notice, how this einforces the above conclusion once

again. From Moon, Rahu in 8th..... explains a lot of his psychology....

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

Death took place (probale cause of death being reported as cardiac

arrest) in Ke/Ra/Me. Sun and Mercury ® both influnced by Saturn from

7th, the maraka house and his placement in the 7th qualifies him a

potential killer. Mercury is the 2nd lord. Further, Mercury disposits

Rahu.

 

From Venus, the Lagna Lord, Saturn becomes the 7th and 8th lord. Sun

becomes the 2nd lord and Mercury becomes the lord of 12th house. Rahu in

3rd house, a clear indication of nature of death (chemicals, drugs,

needles - poison )in his body at the time of death.

 

With this, tranist of Ketu over Venus in 3rd house(Lagna Lord in 3rd

House, Rahu and Ketu in 1:7 axis.), Saturn over Sun and Mercury is a

clear explanation from the parashari angle.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

 

Really there's no need to worry about this at all. Many people submit

information about a topic without offering an analysis. We offer what we

feel we can, when we can :-)

 

It would be inappropriate (for anyone) to delve into this matter any

further.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:33 AM

Re: Fw: Michael Jackson

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I do not see a reply for this mail uptil now.

 

The poster had mentioned that " singer, pouplar person esp with women

so must have a good Sukra '.

 

This is common knoledge to even a new entrant of of one day in astrology

that Venus is connected to MUsic, so whats new here ???

 

What Lagna has been ascertained by the poster ?

 

Where is the analysis ?

 

What is the logical reason - astrological for every point made by the

poster, which I see - None.

 

Why is the reply not forthcoming ?

 

Please be strict and not allow the non-astrologers not to mention just

anything on this esteemed Forum which is known to be a great one and

serious for astrological discussions.

 

best wishes and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you for your reply. In the mean time I have posted the same query on the group as a blind quiz. Hence I would like to hold of on adding any more info until members in that group are able to offer their inputs.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyajyotish-vidya Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 9:21:17 PMRe: Re: Michael Jackson

 

Dear Ravindramani and All,Working on the assumption that your (rectified) time is correct, let's take a look at just one of the major events in his life. Interestingly, as we've only recently been discussing the indications for litigation and/or prosecution, Michael's chart offers another opportunity for further study.The following link on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson reports that Michael was charged with seven counts of child molestation on 18 Dec 2003...At the time he was running dasa of ME-SA-ME. Combust dasa lord Mercury occupies 4th bhava...12th house of loss from 5th house of children. This is an indication that some difficulties regarding children could manifest as his experience during this period. 12th, as we know, governs such things as secret enemies, fall, sin, pleasures of the bed, expenditure etc..Antardasa lord Saturn, karaka for 8th,

occupies 7th house which indeed governs "Law Courts", indicating that court appearance could manifest as his experience during this period. Looking at the transits for the day he was actually charged we find dasa lord Mercury transiting bhukti lord Saturn in 7th whilst both 8th karaka Saturn and 8th lord Jupiter, transiting lagna, were in mutual aspect with dasa lord Mercury (transiting 7th). It certainly seems there were enough indicators (at the time) supporting this particular event i.e. being officially charged with child molestation.Jackson was arraigned on 16 Jan 2004 and, after a lengthy trial, he was found 'Not Guilty" on 13 Jun 2005. Time doesn't permit me to do a detailed study of the dasas/transits for the time of arraignment or for the time the verdict was handed down...perhaps others would like to offer their input on this...Dear Manoj,As per your below post, which I

haven't really had time to respond to, we have in fact addressed the main questions you asked through discussions of other charts presenting similar questions, so (perhaps) in a non-direct fashion, your questions have indeed been answered...your contribution would certainly be welcome :-)Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com____________ _________ _________ _______- "Manoj Chandran" <chandran_manoj@ ><jyotish-vidya>Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:39 AMRe: Re: Predicting the outcome of litigationDear Mrs. Wendy and All,Here is the

data of a friend of mine.Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USAHe is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle. Notice he is running a strong Sa dasha. Sa-Rahu started separation and for the last two years the couple have been separated. Official divorce proceedings in court started Jan 2009 (Sa- Ju). Jupiter is the exalted 6th lord of Rashi in 10th house. In the D-9 Jupiter is in the 8th house with Rahu. Jupiter is also the D-9 lagna lord.I am in a bad time crunch so cannot do more exhaustive analysis.But interesting questions for the group are:Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?A bonus question is :What was the profession of the wife before marriage?The answer to the above question is very interesting and

intruiguing.I will be honest and say that when I got his chart first, I could NOT guess his wife's profession from this chart. Interestingly her profession changed after marriage and she went into a profession that I HAD Guessed from my analysis initially !!!So there are enough clues for any one willing to attempt !!!Regards,-Manoj____________ _________ _________ _________- "ravindramani" <ravindramani@ gmail.com><jyotish-vidya>Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:57 AM Re: Michael JacksonDear Mrs. Wendy,I have a slightly different birth

time for MJ, as we know usually it is the case with famous persons like MJ, which goes as follows:11:57 PM on 29th August 1958Gary, In (US)Universal Time 4:57 on 30th August 1958Sidereal time 21:39:08Asc: Taurus, 24:34:13Moon: Aquarius, 23:51:8Lagna Lord in 3rd house and 3rd lord in 10th house, Mars aspects powerfully the Venus is a clear indication of the kind of "stamina" required for a dancer and a hectic life style of MJ.Mars becomes the 3rd lord from Moon. Saturn, the sign lord of Moon, moves to 10th. Notice, how this einforces the above conclusion once again. From Moon, Rahu in 8th..... explains a lot of his psychology.. ..Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.Death took place (probale cause of death being reported as cardiac arrest) in Ke/Ra/Me. Sun and Mercury ® both influnced by Saturn from 7th, the maraka house and his placement in the 7th qualifies him a

potential killer. Mercury is the 2nd lord. Further, Mercury disposits Rahu.From Venus, the Lagna Lord, Saturn becomes the 7th and 8th lord. Sun becomes the 2nd lord and Mercury becomes the lord of 12th house. Rahu in 3rd house, a clear indication of nature of death (chemicals, drugs, needles - poison )in his body at the time of death.With this, tranist of Ketu over Venus in 3rd house(Lagna Lord in 3rd House, Rahu and Ketu in 1:7 axis.), Saturn over Sun and Mercury is a clear explanation from the parashari angle.Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

 

You're more than welcome to participate in any of the discussions here,

however we don't interact with other groups. Different groups follow

different methods which can lead to contradictions, confusion and/or

conflict.

 

Since you've posted your query to other groups it would be best not to

pursue it here :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Manoj Chandran " <chandran_manoj

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:53 PM

Re: Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you for your reply. In the mean time I have posted the same query

on the group as a blind quiz. Hence I would like

to hold of on adding any more info until members in that group are able

to offer their inputs.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

I did not write in my message that I rectified the chart (MJ). I simply wrote,

I have a slightly different time for him. As per this time, Rahu would be in 5th

house. I am not able to understand what is intriguing in it.

 

I am not claiming one should accept this time as a final one.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Even with the 23:53 time Rahu occupies 5th house and the dasa for 18 Dec

2003 was still ME-SA-ME...

 

Also my apologies for assuming the 23:57 time was a rectified time :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:47 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Group,

 

I did not write in my message that I rectified the chart (MJ). I simply

wrote, I have a slightly different time for him. As per this time, Rahu

would be in 5th house. I am not able to understand what is intriguing in

it.

 

I am not claiming one should accept this time as a final one.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu,

 

///You are absolutely correct it is head definetly not face (it s my

mistake while doing cut & paste)///

 

Something I should have highlighted earlier but it somehow slipped my

mind, I'm afraid. In Michael Jackson's chart we can see both 2nd house

and lagna having a say in regards to face.

 

NB: Both 2nd bhava and the sign Taurus signify face/neck etc.. This is

important when we consider the connection between such things as

physiology, temperament, complexion, sense of self-worth, psychological

makeup etc, etc..

 

Important (also) to consider lagnesh Venus occupying nakshatra of 2nd

lord Mercury. It has been suggested by some that Michael modelled his

facial surgery on his sister La Toya who had similar cosmetic surgery on

her nose...both sought the same upturned nostril look.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" chandu r " <rchandu_98

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:00 PM

Re: Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy

 

You are absolutely correct it is head definetly not face ( it s my

mistake while doing cut & paste )

 

I want to write about injuries on head.which was not discussed.

 

secondly regarding time of birth : I have discussed with doctors the time

taken from shirosodaya

to bhoosthapana , it can be 5minutes to more than 5 hrs in normal

delivery.

 

Here I dont want to discuss.

 

 

Thanking you.

 

Chandu.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sabine,

 

///assuming you ment to type Rahu in the 5th, right?///

 

No! Ravindramani was referring to Rahu's position in relation to lagnesh

Venus i.e. Rahu occupies 3rd from Venus...see below.

 

Ravindramani Wrote:

*From Venus, the Lagna Lord, Saturn becomes the 7th and 8th lord. Sun

becomes the 2nd lord and Mercury becomes the lord of 12th house. Rahu in

3rd house, a clear indication of nature of death (chemicals, drugs,

needles - poison )in his body at the time of death.*

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Sabine Stetson " <stetsa

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:18 AM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Namaste, CS Ravindramani....

 

your configurations/rectification of MJ chart are most intriguing....

 

assuming you ment to type Rahu in the 5th, right?

 

Regards,blessings to you

Sabine

[Guest guest]

Dear Anil,

 

///It is not Paul. I had gone through one of the site (link attached)

where

paul as given his comments on his birth time of MJ.///

 

Indeed! My apologies! I realised my mistake as soon as I viewed the link

you sent :-(

 

///Time of death is unknown but one of the new channels say that an

unidentified man called a 911 emergency phone line from the mansion at

12:21

p.m. local time, saying Jackson was unconscious and not breathing.///

 

Yes, I heard that too. However, although he (appeared) to be not

breathing, there was a slight pulse (apparently)...on the information

available at the moment ascertaining a correct time of death would be

difficult...unless we've got some good detectives here :-))

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 29, 2009 3:05 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Wendiji,

 

It is not Paul. I had gone through one of the site (link attached) where

paul as given his comments on his birth time of MJ.

 

Time of death is unknown but one of the new channels say that an

unidentified man called a 911 emergency phone line from the mansion at

12:21

p.m. local time, saying Jackson was unconscious and not breathing.

Regards,

 

Anil Ronald

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

 

Simple basic things come first. Do not complicate the issue. If you are doing

so, you will not reach anywhere.

 

• Lagna lord Venus receives the aspect of Mars.

 

• Mars is a fiery plant which is in the constellation of Sun, a fiery planet.

Venus as lord of first house denotes head also. MJ had an accident which

involved with head/his hair being burnt.

 

• Venus is the Body, Mars is a surgeon's knife and he had number of surgeries.

 

• Mars is energy and Venus is body in 3rd house that gave him stamina.

 

• Mars is 12th lord which influences 7th house. He himself 7th lord. From the

7th house, he is in 6th. He influences Venus the karaka for marriage. Troubled

marriage life. His marriages took place away from his birth place. From the

6th house, 8th lord Jupiter influences 7th lord Mars. Obstacles in marriage

life, getting into legal tangles in regard to marriage life. The same Jupiter's

influence on Mars is an indication of abundant energy for MJ. Mars in turn

throws, Jupiter's influence also on Venus.

 

• Moon is karaka for mind; Venus is beauty, from Venus moon is in 8th. MJ has

an obsession over his facial beauty. He never satisfied. Now correlate the

position of Moon and Rahu. Rahu is in the constellation of Mars.

 

• Jupiter is in the constellation of Mars; Jupiter aspects the 2nd house of face

from the 6th house. He had number of facial corrections. Jupiter is the karaka

for children. Rahu is in 12th from Jupiter. Rahu is in 5th house from Lagna.

Rahu is in the constellation of Mars. Mars is 12th lord of secret enemies as

well as the lord of position. Now combine the influences on Mars. MJ faced

court cases regarding child molestation.

 

• Moon is in the 10th house and in the constellation of Jupiter, who is the

planet (11th Lord) represents achievements recognition/awards etc. etc.

influencing Moon and connecting 2nd house. He accumulated in millions. Won 8

awards in Grammy.

 

• Saturn is the 9th lord of long travels, from the 7th influnces the 4th house

of residence. MJ travelled world wide. Mars the 12th lord aspects Venus the

lagna lord in 3rd house of movements. He was always in move.

 

This is my way of analysis. Understand the language of planets first. Then

correlate with dasha and transits. Now, proceed in this way in regard to other

placements in this chart; compare with the life events of MJ. Come to a

conclusion. If the chart does not promise his life events; discard the chart.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: One of the members sent a message to me in my personal mail box, why I

chosen the Taurus Lagna for MJ. I thought, I post my response here so that

other members can also look the things in their perspective. Moderators kindly

bear with me.

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> I did not write in my message that I rectified the chart (MJ). I simply

wrote, I have a slightly different time for him. As per this time, Rahu would be

in 5th house. I am not able to understand what is intriguing in it.

>

> I am not claiming one should accept this time as a final one.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Yes. Your argument holds good even with the 23:53 time that places Rahu in 5th

House. No need of apologies, rather I should have, at the first place, mentioned

that my time (23:57)was not a rectified one, easily avoiding this situation.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

///PS: One of the members sent a message to me in my personal mail box,

why I chosen the Taurus Lagna for MJ. I thought, I post my response here

so that other members can also look the things in their perspective.

Moderators kindly bear with me.///

 

Many thanks, I'm sure members appreciate your analysis :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:15 PM

Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear friend,

 

Simple basic things come first. Do not complicate the issue. If you are

doing so, you will not reach anywhere.

 

.. Lagna lord Venus receives the aspect of Mars.

 

.. Mars is a fiery plant which is in the constellation of Sun, a fiery

planet. Venus as lord of first house denotes head also. MJ had an

accident which involved with head/his hair being burnt.

 

.. Venus is the Body, Mars is a surgeon's knife and he had number of

surgeries.

 

.. Mars is energy and Venus is body in 3rd house that gave him stamina.

 

.. Mars is 12th lord which influences 7th house. He himself 7th lord.

From the 7th house, he is in 6th. He influences Venus the karaka for

marriage. Troubled marriage life. His marriages took place away from

his birth place. From the 6th house, 8th lord Jupiter influences 7th

lord Mars. Obstacles in marriage life, getting into legal tangles in

regard to marriage life. The same Jupiter's influence on Mars is an

indication of abundant energy for MJ. Mars in turn throws, Jupiter's

influence also on Venus.

 

.. Moon is karaka for mind; Venus is beauty, from Venus moon is in 8th.

MJ has an obsession over his facial beauty. He never satisfied. Now

correlate the position of Moon and Rahu. Rahu is in the constellation of

Mars.

 

.. Jupiter is in the constellation of Mars; Jupiter aspects the 2nd house

of face from the 6th house. He had number of facial corrections. Jupiter

is the karaka for children. Rahu is in 12th from Jupiter. Rahu is in

5th house from Lagna. Rahu is in the constellation of Mars. Mars is

12th lord of secret enemies as well as the lord of position. Now combine

the influences on Mars. MJ faced court cases regarding child

molestation.

 

.. Moon is in the 10th house and in the constellation of Jupiter, who is

the planet (11th Lord) represents achievements recognition/awards etc.

etc. influencing Moon and connecting 2nd house. He accumulated in

millions. Won 8 awards in Grammy.

 

.. Saturn is the 9th lord of long travels, from the 7th influnces the 4th

house of residence. MJ travelled world wide. Mars the 12th lord aspects

Venus the lagna lord in 3rd house of movements. He was always in move.

 

This is my way of analysis. Understand the language of planets first.

Then correlate with dasha and transits. Now, proceed in this way in

regard to other placements in this chart; compare with the life events of

MJ. Come to a conclusion. If the chart does not promise his life

events; discard the chart.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: One of the members sent a message to me in my personal mail box, why

I chosen the Taurus Lagna for MJ. I thought, I post my response here so

that other members can also look the things in their perspective.

Moderators kindly bear with me.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you for your clarification on the rules. I was not aware of this. I will abide by this in future and not discuss that specific chart further here. I do not mean to cause any contreversies but only to learn and discuss.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyajyotish-vidya Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:22:12 PMRe: Re: Michael Jackson

 

Dear Manoj,You're more than welcome to participate in any of the discussions here, however we don't interact with other groups. Different groups follow different methods which can lead to contradictions, confusion and/or conflict.Since you've posted your query to other groups it would be best not to pursue it here :-)Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________ _________ _______- "Manoj Chandran" <chandran_manoj@ ><jyotish-vidya>Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:53

PMRe: Re: Michael JacksonDear Mrs Wendy,Thank you for your reply. In the mean time I have posted the same query on the ancient_indian_ astrology group as a blind quiz. Hence I would like to hold of on adding any more info until members in that group are able to offer their inputs.Regards,-Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Thank your for this post. It is a wonderful and instructive reminder on how to use the basics first before jumping on to other conclusions.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramanijyotish-vidya Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:15:47 AM Re: Michael Jackson

 

Dear friend, Simple basic things come first. Do not complicate the issue. If you are doing so, you will not reach anywhere. • Lagna lord Venus receives the aspect of Mars.• Mars is a fiery plant which is in the constellation of Sun, a fiery planet. Venus as lord of first house denotes head also. MJ had an accident which involved with head/his hair being burnt. • Venus is the Body, Mars is a surgeon's knife and he had number of surgeries. • Mars is energy and Venus is body in 3rd house that gave him stamina. • Mars is 12th lord which influences 7th house. He himself 7th lord. From the 7th house, he is in 6th. He influences Venus the karaka for marriage. Troubled marriage life. His marriages took place away from his birth place. From the 6th house, 8th lord Jupiter influences 7th lord Mars. Obstacles in marriage life, getting into legal tangles in regard to marriage life. The same Jupiter's

influence on Mars is an indication of abundant energy for MJ. Mars in turn throws, Jupiter's influence also on Venus. • Moon is karaka for mind; Venus is beauty, from Venus moon is in 8th. MJ has an obsession over his facial beauty. He never satisfied. Now correlate the position of Moon and Rahu. Rahu is in the constellation of Mars. • Jupiter is in the constellation of Mars; Jupiter aspects the 2nd house of face from the 6th house. He had number of facial corrections. Jupiter is the karaka for children. Rahu is in 12th from Jupiter. Rahu is in 5th house from Lagna. Rahu is in the constellation of Mars. Mars is 12th lord of secret enemies as well as the lord of position. Now combine the influences on Mars. MJ faced court cases regarding child molestation. • Moon is in the 10th house and in the constellation of Jupiter, who is the planet (11th Lord) represents achievements recognition/ awards etc. etc. influencing Moon and

connecting 2nd house. He accumulated in millions. Won 8 awards in Grammy. • Saturn is the 9th lord of long travels, from the 7th influnces the 4th house of residence. MJ travelled world wide. Mars the 12th lord aspects Venus the lagna lord in 3rd house of movements. He was always in move. This is my way of analysis. Understand the language of planets first. Then correlate with dasha and transits. Now, proceed in this way in regard to other placements in this chart; compare with the life events of MJ. Come to a conclusion. If the chart does not promise his life events; discard the chart. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: One of the members sent a message to me in my personal mail box, why I chosen the Taurus Lagna for MJ. I thought, I post my response here so that other members can also look the things in their perspective. Moderators kindly bear with me. jyotish-vidya, "ravindramani" <ravindramani@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Group,> > I did not write in my message that I rectified the chart (MJ). I simply wrote, I have a slightly different time for him. As per this time, Rahu would be in 5th house. I am not able to understand what is intriguing in it. > > I am not claiming one should accept this time as a final one. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

 

It's not necessarily a rule per se...more a matter of common etiquette

which is generally adhered to by those who to several groups.

Quite apart from the fact that different groups (generally) follow

different methods, members may not be able to follow the threads on other

groups discussing the same chart/topic...again, leading to some confusion

:-(

 

Whilst we were discussing the matter of court cases/litigation (Chopra's

chart), your query was in the back of my mind and I felt sure you would

have made the connection between the query you submitted and the points

we were discussing... I certainly recognised the similarities in your

friend's chart with 7th lord Mars occupying 12th (6th from 7th) and

assumed you would too??

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Manoj Chandran " <chandran_manoj

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:58 PM

Re: Re: Michael Jackson

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you for your clarification on the rules. I was not aware of this. I

will abide by this in future and not discuss that specific chart further

here. I do not mean to cause any contreversies but only to learn and

discuss.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs.Wendy,

 

I most certainly did make that connection. Thanks for your comments.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyajyotish-vidya Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 5:58:27 AMRe: Re: Michael Jackson

 

Dear Manoj,It's not necessarily a rule per se...more a matter of common etiquette which is generally adhered to by those who to several groups. Quite apart from the fact that different groups (generally) follow different methods, members may not be able to follow the threads on other groups discussing the same chart/topic. ..again, leading to some confusion :-(Whilst we were discussing the matter of court cases/litigation (Chopra's chart), your query was in the back of my mind and I felt sure you would have made the connection between the query you submitted and the points we were discussing.. . I certainly recognised the similarities in your friend's chart with 7th lord Mars occupying 12th (6th from 7th) and assumed you would too??Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com____________ _________

_________ _______- "Manoj Chandran" <chandran_manoj@ ><jyotish-vidya>Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:58 PMRe: Re: Michael JacksonDear Mrs Wendy,Thank you for your clarification on the rules. I was not aware of this. I will abide by this in future and not discuss that specific chart further here. I do not mean to cause any contreversies but only to learn and discuss.Regards,-Manoj