Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear friends, I have written a small piece on Jyotish for Mid-Day, where I work as a Special Correspondent. Hope you like it! :-) The link is: http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2008/nov/101108-astrology-free-spirit-bangalore\ -stars-beliefs.htm ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Balaji, I applaud your selection of topic. I am not sure if I agree on a fine point that a strong third house will stop a person from believing in fate. It is an interesting thought but doesn't fully sum up correctly for me. Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Balaji Narasimhan wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have written a small piece on Jyotish for Mid-Day, where I work as > a Special Correspondent. > > Hope you like it! :-) > > The link is: > > http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2008/nov/101108-astrology-free-spirit-bangalore\ -stars-beliefs.htm > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 PS - Balaji, I also don't appreciate any cheap shots pertaining in any way to the Moon! =) (j/k) even though it WAS cute. And finally if you think your hand broke from " no fault of your own " you must feel terribly maligned by " fate. " In my opinion your hand broke (and everything else that ever happened " to " you) in an attempt to raise your consciousness and help your evolution towards enlightenment - and in a specific education program tailored by the laws of karma as reactions to your previous actions over 1, 10 and 1000s of lifetimes. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Balaji Narasimhan wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have written a small piece on Jyotish for Mid-Day, where I work as > a Special Correspondent. > > Hope you like it! :-) > > The link is: > > http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2008/nov/101108-astrology-free-spirit-bangalore\ -stars-beliefs.htm > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Balaji, I did enjoy reading your article! Not too lengthy so easy for a weary mind to appreciate :-) You Wrote: ///Some people genuinely believe that there is no such thing as fate. Jyotish itself has an answer to the question of why some people don't believe in fate. The third house concerns initiative, and those with a strong third house will not believe in fate. From their point of view, fate doesn't exist, but, from destiny's point of view, they are destined not to believe in destiny. But, can such people criticise jyotish without understanding what it is all about?/// Your understanding of this is spot on! A strong 3rd house can often indicate one may succeed through their own effort (self-will) and consequently such natives are often opposed to the possibility of destiny/fate. However, we need to consider carefully the type of desires (3rd house) that motivate our efforts...a strong/favourable 3rd lord can be an advantage for the spiritual seeker. It's often pointed out that the only difference between the saint and the sinner (enlightened and unenlightened) is that the saint never gave up...providing, of course, that the so-called sinner has the desire for sainthood (enlightenment). In fact, for any endeavour to succeed, we need the assistance of 3rd/11th...desire houses. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:29 PM Article on Jyotish Dear friends, I have written a small piece on Jyotish for Mid-Day, where I work as a Special Correspondent. Hope you like it! :-) The link is: http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2008/nov/101108-astrology-free-spirit-bangalore\ -stars-beliefs.htm ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions./// I see fate and karma as one and the same thing. If one manages to alter one's karma then, by definition, one's fate is altered accordingly. I do agree that karma is in a constant state of change and we see this ever-changing karma manifesting through the dasa system, and modified by transits. I do agree that kriyamana karma is a result of our own decisions and actions in this lifetime and that is not written in the horoscope...it's the karma we make for ourselves in this lifetime that will be added to the accumulated (sanchita) karma to be worked out in another lifetime. What IS 'written in stone' (or, rather, written in the horoscope) is the portion of karma we have to work through in THIS lifetime...prarabdha karma! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:26 PM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Balaji, I applaud your selection of topic. I am not sure if I agree on a fine point that a strong third house will stop a person from believing in fate. It is an interesting thought but doesn't fully sum up correctly for me. Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I agree with what you have said. I would like to add that I have read somewhere: There are three categories of Karma: 1. Dridha Karma This is that part of the karma which is cast in stone and which can not be altered by the Kriyaman karma 2. Adridha Karma This is that part of the karma which can be easily wiped out by our future actions or Kriyaman karma 3. Dridhadridha Karma This is like Adhridha karma but involves a stronger effort over a long period of time Hence, not everything is cast in stone and not everything could be changed by Kriyaman Karma. Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Article on Jyotish jyotish-vidya Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:14 PM Dear Vic, ///Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions./// I see fate and karma as one and the same thing. If one manages to alter one's karma then, by definition, one's fate is altered accordingly. I do agree that karma is in a constant state of change and we see this ever-changing karma manifesting through the dasa system, and modified by transits. I do agree that kriyamana karma is a result of our own decisions and actions in this lifetime and that is not written in the horoscope... it's the karma we make for ourselves in this lifetime that will be added to the accumulated (sanchita) karma to be worked out in another lifetime. What IS 'written in stone' (or, rather, written in the horoscope) is the portion of karma we have to work through in THIS lifetime...prarabdh a karma! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " Vic D " <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:26 PM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Balaji, I applaud your selection of topic. I am not sure if I agree on a fine point that a strong third house will stop a person from believing in fate. It is an interesting thought but doesn't fully sum up correctly for me. Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara. com www.vedicastrologer .net Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Krishnamurthy and Balaji, Thank you, Krishnamurthy, for referring to the classification of Karmas on a spectrum from adridha to dridha. I will have to state categorically that the concept of fate is intrinsically incompatible with the concept of karma - though on the surface they may even appear identical. This is because the fundamental thesis of karma is that everything happening to you is a result of your own actions, while the fundamental thesis of fate is that things can happen which are completely outside your own control. Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant. I have elsewhere in this group elaborately described the evolution of Karma from 1. avidya - ignorance 2. kutam - starting point 3. bijam - seed / desire 4. karma - " kriyamana " if you will - the action itself 5. aprarabdha - the reaction still held in store by the graha 6. prarabdha - the reaction being dispensed by the graha It is fundamentally important to the vedic world view that we understand that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever which is unchangable. Even the desire of the Jiva to be God - which is impossible - becomes possible in two contexts. Nothing is impossible. And nothing is unchangable. Even the very most WORST karma can only be described as " dridha " or " fixed " - indicating that it would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to change - but never that it is impossible. You must understand the cyclic nature of karma - it is self perpetuating. Therefore if any karma ever became unalterable for even an instant the result would be perpetual eternal bondage with no hope of enlightenment. I am confident that a careful deliberation on these points will reveal their truth to any and all. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > ///Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I > believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is > set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant > state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions./// > > I see fate and karma as one and the same thing. If one manages to > alter > one's karma then, by definition, one's fate is altered accordingly. > I do > agree that karma is in a constant state of change and we see this > ever-changing karma manifesting through the dasa system, and > modified by > transits. > > I do agree that kriyamana karma is a result of our own decisions and > actions in this lifetime and that is not written in the > horoscope...it's > the karma we make for ourselves in this lifetime that will be added to > the accumulated (sanchita) karma to be worked out in another lifetime. > > What IS 'written in stone' (or, rather, written in the horoscope) is > the > portion of karma we have to work through in THIS lifetime...prarabdha > karma! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:26 PM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Balaji, > > I applaud your selection of topic. I am not sure if I agree on a fine > point that a strong third house will stop a person from believing in > fate. It is an interesting thought but doesn't fully sum up correctly > for me. > > Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I > believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is > set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant > state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///I will have to state categorically that the concept of fate is intrinsically incompatible with the concept of karma - though on the surface they may even appear identical. This is because the fundamental thesis of karma is that everything happening to you is a result of your own actions, while the fundamental thesis of fate is that things can happen which are completely outside your own control./// A native takes his family on a long train/plane journey and it crashes, killing his whole family....this fateful event is (obviously) outside the native's control, yet, an experienced astrologer can see this (the journey and loss of family) reflected in his horoscope. Is this not the manifestation of karma; is this not fate...how do you define the difference? ///Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant./// To the best of my understanding the four types of karma are; 1) Sanchita Karma: Sum Total of Karma/Accumulated actions. 2) Praarabdha Karma: Fructifying Karma/Actions began (set in motion) 3) Kriyamana Karma: Current Actions (karma being made) 4) Aagami Karma: Future Karma (as a result of our present actions) ///Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant./// I'm afraid it's far too late, and the mind too tired, for me to argue semantics. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:01 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, Krishnamurthy and Balaji, Thank you, Krishnamurthy, for referring to the classification of Karmas on a spectrum from adridha to dridha. I will have to state categorically that the concept of fate is intrinsically incompatible with the concept of karma - though on the surface they may even appear identical. This is because the fundamental thesis of karma is that everything happening to you is a result of your own actions, while the fundamental thesis of fate is that things can happen which are completely outside your own control. Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant. I have elsewhere in this group elaborately described the evolution of Karma from 1. avidya - ignorance 2. kutam - starting point 3. bijam - seed / desire 4. karma - " kriyamana " if you will - the action itself 5. aprarabdha - the reaction still held in store by the graha 6. prarabdha - the reaction being dispensed by the graha It is fundamentally important to the vedic world view that we understand that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever which is unchangable. Even the desire of the Jiva to be God - which is impossible - becomes possible in two contexts. Nothing is impossible. And nothing is unchangable. Even the very most WORST karma can only be described as " dridha " or " fixed " - indicating that it would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to change - but never that it is impossible. You must understand the cyclic nature of karma - it is self perpetuating. Therefore if any karma ever became unalterable for even an instant the result would be perpetual eternal bondage with no hope of enlightenment. I am confident that a careful deliberation on these points will reveal their truth to any and all. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, > A native takes his family on a long train/plane journey and it > crashes, > killing his whole family....this fateful event is (obviously) > outside the > native's control, yet, an experienced astrologer can see this (the > journey and loss of family) reflected in his horoscope. Is this not > the > manifestation of karma; is this not fate...how do you define the > difference? To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash would be erroneous. > ///Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is > chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus > this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant./// > > To the best of my understanding the four types of karma are; > > 1) Sanchita Karma: > Sum Total of Karma/Accumulated actions. > > 2) Praarabdha Karma: > Fructifying Karma/Actions began (set in motion) > > 3) Kriyamana Karma: > Current Actions (karma being made) > > 4) Aagami Karma: > Future Karma (as a result of our present actions) These are the four CHRONOLOGICAL phases of karma. My classification of the 6 stages in the cycle of development of karma pertains to the essential nature of karma itself. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///You must understand the cyclic nature of karma/// You're assuming I do not ?? http://jyotishvidya.com/karma.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:01 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, Krishnamurthy and Balaji, Thank you, Krishnamurthy, for referring to the classification of Karmas on a spectrum from adridha to dridha. I will have to state categorically that the concept of fate is intrinsically incompatible with the concept of karma - though on the surface they may even appear identical. This is because the fundamental thesis of karma is that everything happening to you is a result of your own actions, while the fundamental thesis of fate is that things can happen which are completely outside your own control. Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant. I have elsewhere in this group elaborately described the evolution of Karma from 1. avidya - ignorance 2. kutam - starting point 3. bijam - seed / desire 4. karma - " kriyamana " if you will - the action itself 5. aprarabdha - the reaction still held in store by the graha 6. prarabdha - the reaction being dispensed by the graha It is fundamentally important to the vedic world view that we understand that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever which is unchangable. Even the desire of the Jiva to be God - which is impossible - becomes possible in two contexts. Nothing is impossible. And nothing is unchangable. Even the very most WORST karma can only be described as " dridha " or " fixed " - indicating that it would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to change - but never that it is impossible. You must understand the cyclic nature of karma - it is self perpetuating. Therefore if any karma ever became unalterable for even an instant the result would be perpetual eternal bondage with no hope of enlightenment. I am confident that a careful deliberation on these points will reveal their truth to any and all. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, > ///You must understand the cyclic nature of karma/// > > You're assuming I do not ?? > http://jyotishvidya.com/karma.htm Was not personally directed at all. However we sometimes understand something - but not the ramifications of it. The relevant point here is this: When one realizes the cyclic nature of Karma one immediately understands that if Karma were all- powerful and unchangeable it would immediately creates a " feedback- loop " in the cycle, which would makes karma impossible to escape. Since we know that moksha IS possible, we know that completely inalterable karma is NOT possible. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash would be erroneous./// Of course our karma/fate is intertwined with all those who come into our lives...family particularly! However, as it seems this discussion cannot reach anything akin to a mutual agreement, it may be best just to (amicably) agree to disagree and leave it at that, don't you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:59 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, > A native takes his family on a long train/plane journey and it > crashes, > killing his whole family....this fateful event is (obviously) > outside the > native's control, yet, an experienced astrologer can see this (the > journey and loss of family) reflected in his horoscope. Is this not > the > manifestation of karma; is this not fate...how do you define the > difference? To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash would be erroneous. > ///Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is > chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus > this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant./// > > To the best of my understanding the four types of karma are; > > 1) Sanchita Karma: > Sum Total of Karma/Accumulated actions. > > 2) Praarabdha Karma: > Fructifying Karma/Actions began (set in motion) > > 3) Kriyamana Karma: > Current Actions (karma being made) > > 4) Aagami Karma: > Future Karma (as a result of our present actions) These are the four CHRONOLOGICAL phases of karma. My classification of the 6 stages in the cycle of development of karma pertains to the essential nature of karma itself. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Clarification: I WROTE: ///I do agree that kriyamana karma is a result of our own decisions and actions in this lifetime and that is not written in the horoscope/// I should have (perhaps) phrased that better i.e. kriyamana karma is the karma we make in this lifetime...it is the actions in this lifetime rather than the result (yet to come) of those actions. This emphasises (to me) the importance of trying to live our lives according to religious principles. By so doing we can minimise the (negative) karma we create in this life. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:44 PM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Vic, ///Also, as an astrologer I myself don't believe in " fate " - rather I believe in Karma - which is significantly different because " fate " is set in stone and outside your control, while Karma is in a constant state of change and is 100% due to your own decisions and actions./// I see fate and karma as one and the same thing. If one manages to alter one's karma then, by definition, one's fate is altered accordingly. I do agree that karma is in a constant state of change and we see this ever-changing karma manifesting through the dasa system, and modified by transits. I do agree that kriyamana karma is a result of our own decisions and actions in this lifetime and that is not written in the horoscope...it's the karma we make for ourselves in this lifetime that will be added to the accumulated (sanchita) karma to be worked out in another lifetime. What IS 'written in stone' (or, rather, written in the horoscope) is the portion of karma we have to work through in THIS lifetime...prarabdha karma! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sure, we can agree to disagree. But I think it would be better to hash out the debate without personal emotion as there certainly is a clear siddhanta on this in Vedanta. My position is simply that the siddhanta is that every individual is accountable for his own destiny, and no other. I may be wrong, but I would be very surprised as I have studied this with extreme care under the guidance of Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Guru parampara in the holy Vraja-Dham in India over a period of many years. Vedanta (even it's summary in Bhagavad Gita) acknowledges that the individual does not act alone and is not without agents and support in his or her actions - but that the origin of the every action rests solely on the individual, and therefore the destination of every reaction is the individual. In an astrological sense if a family dies in a plane crash but the mother's chart says that she should have died peacefully in a temple... there is either something wrong with astrology, or something wrong with the birth times. If there is a case study that could be referenced it would be helpful. Of course there is the famous story of the young saint who saved a bus full of people from death in a mountain accident. I believe that there MUST have been some indication of a positive effect from sadhu-sanga in each and every one of the passenger's horoscopes otherwise they would not have been on THAT bus. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > ///To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their > OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash > would be erroneous./// > > Of course our karma/fate is intertwined with all those who come into > our > lives...family particularly! > > However, as it seems this discussion cannot reach anything akin to a > mutual agreement, it may be best just to (amicably) agree to > disagree and > leave it at that, don't you think? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:59 AM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > >> A native takes his family on a long train/plane journey and it >> crashes, >> killing his whole family....this fateful event is (obviously) >> outside the >> native's control, yet, an experienced astrologer can see this (the >> journey and loss of family) reflected in his horoscope. Is this not >> the >> manifestation of karma; is this not fate...how do you define the >> difference? > > To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their > OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash > would be erroneous. > > >> ///Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is >> chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus >> this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant./// >> >> To the best of my understanding the four types of karma are; >> >> 1) Sanchita Karma: >> Sum Total of Karma/Accumulated actions. >> >> 2) Praarabdha Karma: >> Fructifying Karma/Actions began (set in motion) >> >> 3) Kriyamana Karma: >> Current Actions (karma being made) >> >> 4) Aagami Karma: >> Future Karma (as a result of our present actions) > > These are the four CHRONOLOGICAL phases of karma. My classification of > the 6 stages in the cycle of development of karma pertains to the > essential nature of karma itself. > > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///However we sometimes understand something - but not the ramifications of it. The relevant point here is this: When one realizes the cyclic nature of Karma one immediately understands that if Karma were all- powerful and unchangeable it would immediately creates a " feedback- loop " in the cycle, which would makes karma impossible to escape. Since we know that moksha IS possible, we know that completely inalterable karma is NOT possible./// I think we're arguing two different concepts here: 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the horoscope. This is already written, set in stone so to speak. 2) Kriyamana Karma is the karma we're creating in this lifetime (to be added to the accumulated Sanchita Karma). This is not yet written, not set in stone. I further believe that the grahas are there to guide us (ultimately) towards moksha and that, in every lifetime, the opportunity to begin that journey will be given to us...for some it may take many, many more lifetimes, but even so, I do believe in the Divine benevolence of the Grahas who really do have our best interests at heart. Often it's in the greatest suffering that we have the greatest opportunity to be close to God. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:57 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, > ///You must understand the cyclic nature of karma/// > > You're assuming I do not ?? > http://jyotishvidya.com/karma.htm Was not personally directed at all. However we sometimes understand something - but not the ramifications of it. The relevant point here is this: When one realizes the cyclic nature of Karma one immediately understands that if Karma were all- powerful and unchangeable it would immediately creates a " feedback- loop " in the cycle, which would makes karma impossible to escape. Since we know that moksha IS possible, we know that completely inalterable karma is NOT possible. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///Sure, we can agree to disagree. But I think it would be better to hash out the debate without personal emotion as there certainly is a clear siddhanta on this in Vedanta. My position is simply that the siddhanta is that every individual is accountable for his own destiny, and no other./// Of course he is! I'm not arguing this fact! remember you spoke not so long ago about the revelation you had that the planets exist within us...that they are us! This was a wonderful revelation! The grahas are inseparable from us! Anyway, I really must leave this for now; you'll not believe how late it is here and I MUST put this body to bed. We can discuss this more later if you wish. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:31 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sure, we can agree to disagree. But I think it would be better to hash out the debate without personal emotion as there certainly is a clear siddhanta on this in Vedanta. My position is simply that the siddhanta is that every individual is accountable for his own destiny, and no other. I may be wrong, but I would be very surprised as I have studied this with extreme care under the guidance of Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Guru parampara in the holy Vraja-Dham in India over a period of many years. Vedanta (even it's summary in Bhagavad Gita) acknowledges that the individual does not act alone and is not without agents and support in his or her actions - but that the origin of the every action rests solely on the individual, and therefore the destination of every reaction is the individual. In an astrological sense if a family dies in a plane crash but the mother's chart says that she should have died peacefully in a temple... there is either something wrong with astrology, or something wrong with the birth times. If there is a case study that could be referenced it would be helpful. Of course there is the famous story of the young saint who saved a bus full of people from death in a mountain accident. I believe that there MUST have been some indication of a positive effect from sadhu-sanga in each and every one of the passenger's horoscopes otherwise they would not have been on THAT bus. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. Let me address it: > 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the horoscope. This is > already > written, set in stone so to speak. Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is entirely set in stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a swirling abstract energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I feel that karmic energy can create one outcome or the other depending on how it is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator creates heat, but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus the outcome is externally different but internally connected. Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, wearing of gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Two Capricorns keeping each other up!!! =) Good night!!! ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > ///Sure, we can agree to disagree. But I think it would be better to > hash > out the debate without personal emotion as there certainly is a clear > siddhanta on this in Vedanta. My position is simply that the siddhanta > is that every individual is accountable for his own destiny, and no > other./// > > Of course he is! I'm not arguing this fact! remember you spoke not so > long ago about the revelation you had that the planets exist within > us...that they are us! This was a wonderful revelation! The grahas are > inseparable from us! > > Anyway, I really must leave this for now; you'll not believe how > late it > is here and I MUST put this body to bed. We can discuss this more > later > if you wish. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:31 AM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Sure, we can agree to disagree. But I think it would be better to hash > out the debate without personal emotion as there certainly is a clear > siddhanta on this in Vedanta. My position is simply that the siddhanta > is that every individual is accountable for his own destiny, and no > other. > > I may be wrong, but I would be very surprised as I have studied this > with extreme care under the guidance of Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Guru > parampara in the holy Vraja-Dham in India over a period of many years. > > Vedanta (even it's summary in Bhagavad Gita) acknowledges that the > individual does not act alone and is not without agents and support in > his or her actions - but that the origin of the every action rests > solely on the individual, and therefore the destination of every > reaction is the individual. > > In an astrological sense if a family dies in a plane crash but the > mother's chart says that she should have died peacefully in a > temple... there is either something wrong with astrology, or something > wrong with the birth times. If there is a case study that could be > referenced it would be helpful. > > Of course there is the famous story of the young saint who saved a bus > full of people from death in a mountain accident. I believe that there > MUST have been some indication of a positive effect from sadhu-sanga > in each and every one of the passenger's horoscopes otherwise they > would not have been on THAT bus. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, ///I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus the outcome is externally different but internally connected./// The charts of twins with seemingly identical horoscopes need to be read very carefully (incorporating the finest dasa period). The following article is my attempt to explain this. http://jyotishvidya.com/twins.htm ///Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, wearing of gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA KARMA as it is written in the horoscope./// Even this will be reflected in the horoscope; strong 9th house/Jupiter: good fortune, support of nature, solution to problems, remedies, medicine, yagya, tapas etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:56 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Mrs. Wendy, I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. Let me address it: > 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the horoscope. This is > already > written, set in stone so to speak. Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is entirely set in stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a swirling abstract energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I feel that karmic energy can create one outcome or the other depending on how it is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator creates heat, but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus the outcome is externally different but internally connected. Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, wearing of gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for the FANTASTIC read in your article on twins and the importance of twins. I will be carefully digesting and meditating on this in the coming weeks / months. It appears that you are of the opinion that the horoscope cannot be altered in any way. Something like, 'If a native puts on an emerald or chants " bum buddhaya namah " and gets a significant sense of a change in his or her life, it must have been written in his or her horoscope already that he would be able to get such a relief.' This is fascinating. I will have to give it more thought. The basic problem I have with this theory (that karma indicated in the horoscope is unchangeable) is this - everything we do affects what happens to us. To say that the actions we do in this lifetime will have no affect in this lifetime - or that they are predestined - seems arbitrarily fatalistic to me, and since fatalism is opposite to the Vedantic conclusion I disfavor it. There is documentation in Vedic literature of karmic reactions from actions that manifest nearly immediately and do not wait for the next life. You would counter that this action would be predictable from the chart. I admit that I find this line of thought compelling and am inclined to accept it. But it is rather a 'the chicken or the egg' debate: I argue that I can do something change my karma. You counter that it was my karma to be able to change my karma. ...Both and neither must be entirely correct. However seeing that the fundamental siddhanta of Vedanta is that the individual is ultimately fully responsible for his own destiny, i feel it is less good to frame the language and explanation in a fate- alistic way; and it is better to frame the language which explains these phenomena in a terminology that highlights the importance of individual will and the choices we actively make. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > ///I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally connected./// > > The charts of twins with seemingly identical horoscopes need to be > read > very carefully (incorporating the finest dasa period). The following > article is my attempt to explain this. > > http://jyotishvidya.com/twins.htm > > ///Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, > wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA > KARMA > as it is written in the horoscope./// > > Even this will be reflected in the horoscope; strong 9th house/ > Jupiter: > good fortune, support of nature, solution to problems, remedies, > medicine, yagya, tapas etc.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:56 AM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. Let me address > it: > >> 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the horoscope. This is >> already >> written, set in stone so to speak. > > Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is entirely set in > stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a swirling abstract > energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I feel that > karmic energy can create one outcome or the other depending on how it > is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator creates heat, > but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. > > I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally connected. > > Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA > KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Shashi, This opinion has no Vedantic support. You are simply not clear on what " fate " and " karma " are. You are mistaking " fate " for karma generated by previous lifetimes. and " karma " for actions in the current lifetime. Attempting this discussion in English will probably be frustrating. Please understand that the English meaning of " fate " connotes things happening that are beyond your control. In the Vedic worldview " fate " does not exist. Everything happens because of choices you made - which you may or may not remember and which may or may not be from your current lifetime. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Shashi Singh wrote: > > I also stronly believe that karma depends on fate.If fate does not > allow,no one can fallow the karma.All know that by doing certain > karma certain things can be achieved, but how many follow this?every > oneis born diffrent in status and in intelligence.A person having a > dull intelligence will not achieve in education which is > necessary for upliftment which he desires.A person does karm > as per his quality of fate only.If fate is good, he will do karma > accodingly otherwise he will remain idle and suffer n life as his > fate indicates suffer only. > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 Wendy Vasicek wrote : >> Dear Vic, >> >> ///I see that twins have nearly identical charts but >> their lifes take >> distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately >> to their >> charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. >> One of them is >> plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in >> ovens. And thus >> the outcome is externally different but internally >> connected./// >> >> The charts of twins with seemingly identical horoscopes >> need to be read >> very carefully (incorporating the finest dasa period). >> The following >> article is my attempt to explain this. >> >> http://jyotishvidya.com/twins.htm >> >> ///Also we see that performance of yagna, religious >> rituatual, wearing of >> gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on >> the PRARABDHA KARMA >> as it is written in the horoscope./// >> >> Even this will be reflected in the horoscope; strong >> 9th house/Jupiter: >> good fortune, support of nature, solution to problems, >> remedies, >> medicine, yagya, tapas etc.. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya.com >> ___ >> >> >> - >> " Vic D " <vicdicara >> <jyotish-vidya > >> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:56 AM >> Re: Article on Jyotish >> >> >> Dear Mrs. Wendy, >> >> I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. >> Let me address it: >> >>> 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the >> horoscope. This is >>> already >>> written, set in stone so to speak. >> >> Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is >> entirely set in >> stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a >> swirling abstract >> energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I >> feel that >> karmic energy can create one outcome or the other >> depending on how it >> is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator >> creates heat, >> but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. >> >> I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their >> lifes take >> distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately >> to their >> charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. >> One of them is >> plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in >> ovens. And thus >> the outcome is externally different but internally >> connected. >> >> Also we see that performance of yagna, religious >> rituatual, wearing of >> gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on >> the PRARABDHA >> KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. >> >> ~ Vic DiCara >> >> www.vicdicara.com >> www.vedicastrologer.net >> >> > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I also stronly believe that karma depends on fate.If fate does not allow,no one can fallow the karma.All know that by doing certain karma certain things can be achieved, but how many follow this?every oneis born diffrent in status and in intelligence.A person having a dull intelligence will not achieve in education which is necessary for upliftment which he desires.A person does karm as per his quality of fate only.If fate is good, he will do karma accodingly otherwise he will remain idle and suffer n life as his fate indicates suffer only. On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 Wendy Vasicek wrote : > Dear Vic, > > ///I see that twins have nearly identical charts but > their lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately > to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. > One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in > ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally > connected./// > > The charts of twins with seemingly identical horoscopes > need to be read > very carefully (incorporating the finest dasa period). > The following > article is my attempt to explain this. > > http://jyotishvidya.com/twins.htm > > ///Also we see that performance of yagna, religious > rituatual, wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on > the PRARABDHA KARMA > as it is written in the horoscope./// > > Even this will be reflected in the horoscope; strong > 9th house/Jupiter: > good fortune, support of nature, solution to problems, > remedies, > medicine, yagya, tapas etc.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:56 AM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. > Let me address it: > > > 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the > horoscope. This is > > already > > written, set in stone so to speak. > > Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is > entirely set in > stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a > swirling abstract > energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I > feel that > karmic energy can create one outcome or the other > depending on how it > is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator > creates heat, > but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. > > I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their > lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately > to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. > One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in > ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally > connected. > > Also we see that performance of yagna, religious > rituatual, wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on > the PRARABDHA > KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, If I may add my opinion here... ///Please understand that the English meaning of " fate " connotes things happening that are beyond your control. In the Vedic worldview " fate " does not exist./// If we look in the Oxford dictionary, for instance, we will find that the word fate is synonymous with destiny. The word karma is also defined (in same dictionary) as " actions in previous lives, believed to decide his or her fate in future existences " . The only karma that is within our control is that which is being produced by our actions in this lifetime (kriyamana karma). Prarabdha karma is already set...no argument that this is a result of actions in previous lives, but once set it is beyond our control to change this. As for the philosophy of Vedanta in regards to jyotish: We understand that the highest principle of jyotish, a limb of the Vedas (Vedanga), is " as a light on the path of self-realisation. " From this level, the level of Vedanta, we're led towards the true understanding of 'Self " (the ultimate reality). Vedanta is a spiritual tradition leading to self-realisation...the ultimate realisation of reality. This is also what all great religious teachers try to convey. The Buddha and the Christ both taught this same reality; Be still and know that " I AM " God! I AM THAT I AM! etc, etc.. But even they had to fulfil their karma. Remember Christ in the garden of Gethsemane where, knowing his destiny was close at hand, prayed to God; " Father, if possible, take this cup from me, but then he uttered; " Not my will, but yours be done " . He knew that he could not escape his destiny and surrendered completely to the " Will of God " ...which we see reflected in the horoscope. I remember Maharishi in the last few years before his death...how terribly ill he was, he could hardly speak or even hold a candle. Even though all these great souls were " AT ONE " with the ultimate reality (Vedanta), their karma still had to play itself out. PS: The concept of Prarabdha karma (destiny/fate) is not my concept, but is (rather) the most fundamental principle of jyotish. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:46 AM Re: Article on Jyotish Dear Shashi, This opinion has no Vedantic support. You are simply not clear on what " fate " and " karma " are. You are mistaking " fate " for karma generated by previous lifetimes. and " karma " for actions in the current lifetime. Attempting this discussion in English will probably be frustrating. Please understand that the English meaning of " fate " connotes things happening that are beyond your control. In the Vedic worldview " fate " does not exist. Everything happens because of choices you made - which you may or may not remember and which may or may not be from your current lifetime. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, This discussion is getting interesting. All of us are correct and it is a question of putting things together. Mrs. Wendy talked about the chronology of Karma, you talked about stages of development of Karma. Where as what I mentioned is the the components of each type of Karma. For example, Sanchita karma has all three components - Dridha, Adridha and Dridhadridha. And, a part of this is selected as prarabdha for a lifetime. Hence, for a particular individual his prarabdha could contain all the three sub-componets or two of them or even one of them - just the dridha. It all depends on what proportions of these make up the sanchita karma for an individual. I am extending what I read. Hence, I could be wrong. Please do correct me if it is so. Regards, Krishna Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Article on Jyotish jyotish-vidya Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 9:29 PM Dear Mrs. Wendy, > A native takes his family on a long train/plane journey and it > crashes, > killing his whole family....this fateful event is (obviously) > outside the > native's control, yet, an experienced astrologer can see this (the > journey and loss of family) reflected in his horoscope. Is this not > the > manifestation of karma; is this not fate...how do you define the > difference? To think that the native was born in a family who did not, by their OWN karma deserve to be on the plane / train with him in that crash would be erroneous. > ///Regarding " kriyamana karma " this simply describes karma that is > chronologically present. Karma is actually a verb to begin with. Thus > this phrase is " Kriyamana Karma " fairly redundant.// / > > To the best of my understanding the four types of karma are; > > 1) Sanchita Karma: > Sum Total of Karma/Accumulated actions. > > 2) Praarabdha Karma: > Fructifying Karma/Actions began (set in motion) > > 3) Kriyamana Karma: > Current Actions (karma being made) > > 4) Aagami Karma: > Future Karma (as a result of our present actions) These are the four CHRONOLOGICAL phases of karma. My classification of the 6 stages in the cycle of development of karma pertains to the essential nature of karma itself. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara. com www.vedicastrologer .net Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dear Vic, In general, I tend to agree with your line of thinking. It would be appropriate to share a quote from Swami Yukteswar here: " A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with one's individual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and it's probable future results…The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate – the result of past good and evil - but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place and because he possesses spiritual resources that are not subject to planetary pressure. " Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Article on Jyotish jyotish-vidya Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 11:55 PM Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for the FANTASTIC read in your article on twins and the importance of twins. I will be carefully digesting and meditating on this in the coming weeks / months. It appears that you are of the opinion that the horoscope cannot be altered in any way. Something like, 'If a native puts on an emerald or chants " bum buddhaya namah " and gets a significant sense of a change in his or her life, it must have been written in his or her horoscope already that he would be able to get such a relief.' This is fascinating. I will have to give it more thought. The basic problem I have with this theory (that karma indicated in the horoscope is unchangeable) is this - everything we do affects what happens to us. To say that the actions we do in this lifetime will have no affect in this lifetime - or that they are predestined - seems arbitrarily fatalistic to me, and since fatalism is opposite to the Vedantic conclusion I disfavor it. There is documentation in Vedic literature of karmic reactions from actions that manifest nearly immediately and do not wait for the next life. You would counter that this action would be predictable from the chart. I admit that I find this line of thought compelling and am inclined to accept it. But it is rather a 'the chicken or the egg' debate: I argue that I can do something change my karma. You counter that it was my karma to be able to change my karma. ...Both and neither must be entirely correct. However seeing that the fundamental siddhanta of Vedanta is that the individual is ultimately fully responsible for his own destiny, i feel it is less good to frame the language and explanation in a fate- alistic way; and it is better to frame the language which explains these phenomena in a terminology that highlights the importance of individual will and the choices we actively make. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara. com www.vedicastrologer .net On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > ///I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally connected.// / > > The charts of twins with seemingly identical horoscopes need to be > read > very carefully (incorporating the finest dasa period). The following > article is my attempt to explain this. > > http://jyotishvidya .com/twins. htm > > ///Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, > wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA > KARMA > as it is written in the horoscope.// / > > Even this will be reflected in the horoscope; strong 9th house/ > Jupiter: > good fortune, support of nature, solution to problems, remedies, > medicine, yagya, tapas etc.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya .com > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:56 AM > Re: Article on Jyotish > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I really enjoyed your response and thank you for it. Let me address > it: > >> 1) Prarabdha Karma is what is written in the horoscope. This is >> already >> written, set in stone so to speak. > > Are we certain that what the horoscope indicates is entirely set in > stone? I am more of the opinion that Karma is a swirling abstract > energy, not a list of deeds inscribed into a tablet. I feel that > karmic energy can create one outcome or the other depending on how it > is directed - must as electric directed into a radiator creates heat, > but directed into an air conditioner creates cold. > > I see that twins have nearly identical charts but their lifes take > distinctly different directions BOTH RELATED intimately to their > charts, but both unfolding two different possibilities. One of them is > plugging in refrigerators, the other is plugging in ovens. And thus > the outcome is externally different but internally connected. > > Also we see that performance of yagna, religious rituatual, wearing of > gems, chanting of mantra DEFINITELY HAS AN EFFECT on the PRARABDHA > KARMA as it is written in the horoscope. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara. com > www.vedicastrologer .net > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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