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Hi Suresh,

 

Which year and why so on March 23rd.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 2:34 AM, sureshbalaraman <sureshbalaraman

> wrote:

 

>

> March 23rd;3.39 AM;Nazareth,Israel.

>

> sb

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > If I was going to cast a horoscope for Jesus Christ, what data would I

> > use?

> >

> > ~~~ Vic DiCara

> >

> > www.vicdicara.com

> >

> > www.vedicastrologer.net

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Vic,

 

I once cast a chart (based on extensive research). However I no longer

have it? Must have deleted it in one of my moments of strong conscience

that nagged at me not to draw such an important chart based on

unconfirmed data.

 

I remember discussing the chart with Balaji...perhaps he still has it??

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:56 AM

Jesus Christ

 

 

To All:

 

If I was going to cast a horoscope for Jesus Christ, what data would I

use?

 

~~~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

 

www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Wendyji,

 

Is it possible for you to share with us what you found out from that data

and analysis.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidyawrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> I once cast a chart (based on extensive research). However I no longer

> have it? Must have deleted it in one of my moments of strong conscience

> that nagged at me not to draw such an important chart based on

> unconfirmed data.

>

> I remember discussing the chart with Balaji...perhaps he still has it??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> ___

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:56 AM

> Jesus Christ

>

> To All:

>

> If I was going to cast a horoscope for Jesus Christ, what data would I

> use?

>

> ~~~ Vic DiCara

>

> www.vicdicara.com

>

> www.vedicastrologer.net

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Wendy ji,

 

///I remember discussing the chart with Balaji...perhaps he still has it??///

 

We discussed it when I submitted " Rahu's Advocate " It was a date in March, I

remember. Christ had Makara Lagna, with Surya in 3rd, giving death because of

the displeasure of the king.

 

I don't know if I have the birth date with me. Let me check my home PC.

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Anil,

 

///Is it possible for you to share with us what you found out from that

data

and analysis.///

 

I wish I could. It was a couple of years ago now (at least) and

unfortunately I no longer have the data. It would mean starting over

again from scratch I'm afraid. Let's hope Balaji can remember the

discussion we had and that (perhaps) he might have saved a copy of the

chart.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

-

" ANIL CORDA " <korda.ronald

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, November 03, 2008 11:49 AM

Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Dear Wendyji,

 

Is it possible for you to share with us what you found out from that data

and analysis.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Wendy Vasicek

<jyotishvidyawrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> I once cast a chart (based on extensive research). However I no longer

> have it? Must have deleted it in one of my moments of strong conscience

> that nagged at me not to draw such an important chart based on

> unconfirmed data.

>

> I remember discussing the chart with Balaji...perhaps he still has it??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> ___

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>>

> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:56 AM

> Jesus Christ

>

> To All:

>

> If I was going to cast a horoscope for Jesus Christ, what data would I

> use?

>

> ~~~ Vic DiCara

>

> www.vicdicara.com

>

> www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Balaji,

 

Sorry, I sent the previous post before I saw yours...thank you for

jogging my memory...beginning to remember (vaguely) now :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, November 03, 2008 1:20 PM

Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

///I remember discussing the chart with Balaji...perhaps he still has

it??///

 

We discussed it when I submitted " Rahu's Advocate " It was a date in

March, I remember. Christ had Makara Lagna, with Surya in 3rd, giving

death because of the displeasure of the king.

 

I don't know if I have the birth date with me. Let me check my home PC.

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Balaji,

 

Many thanks, will look at it ASAP.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:42 PM

Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

As per a message you posted on 6/December/2005, Christ was born on

1/March/7 AD at 1:21 AM, giving Makara Lagna.

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Balaji,

 

Thank you for finding that, but surely the date would be BC (not AD)??

 

I've read the post (6 Dec 2005) and see that I calculated that using GJ

software which I no longer have installed...could reinstall it I guess

but would rather not as it takes up so much disk space, which is getting

low I'm afraid and there doesn't seem to be a way to calculate this with

PL?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:42 PM

Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

As per a message you posted on 6/December/2005, Christ was born on

1/March/7 AD at 1:21 AM, giving Makara Lagna.

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Vic,

 

Very quickly before I switch off. Here is the info Balaji sent. Only the

date (I'm sure) should be BC not AD. I'll only recognise if it's correct

once I see the chart.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:42 PM

Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

As per a message you posted on 6/December/2005, Christ was born on

1/March/7 AD at 1:21 AM, giving Makara Lagna.

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Mrs Wendy

 

I will send you the parashara's light file now to your personal email.

Please not that Makara did not rise (according to the software) till

2:30 am on the 1st of March 7BC

 

Can you give any information why you chose this date?

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> March/7

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Also, Balaji did not list the location you chose - so perhaps that is

why the lagna required 2;30 not 1:30. Please let me know the location

you choose as the birthplace of Jesus Christ.

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> March/7

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Dear Vic,

 

Thank you for that. Now I just have to figure out how to open it in PL?

 

As for how I arrived at that date, it was a long time ago and is quite a

stretch for my memory. However I do remember some research done by a

(Christian) Minister that led me initially in a certain direction. I

think his name was something like Moby...similar to that. I'd have to do

a search.

 

I do remember the chart definitely had Capricorn rising with Sun in 3rd.

Below is a post (in part) from the archives (6 Dec 2005)

________

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:56 PM

Re: Re: Wendy ji - Rahu's Advocate

 

///snip///

 

At the risk of being controversial, I do have to question B.V.

Raman's data for chart #4 (Jesus Christ). Theologians agree that Dec

25th is not actually Christ's birthday...just as the day we

celebrate the Queen's birthday (for instance) is not actually her

birthday. I also cannot find any strong evidence in that chart that

supports the life or (importantly) the death of Christ. One clue I

feel is worth looking at is Parashara's statement in Ch.44:

 

25-31. THIRD HOUSE AND DEATH:

O excellent of Brahmins, if the Sun, being with strength, is in the

3rd house from the ascendant, one will obtain his death due to a

king (or legal punishments).

 

You might like to look at the chart for Mar 1 0007 (01:21) which,

according to Goravani Jyotish gives Capricorn rising with lagnesh

Sani (conjunct Rahu) in 9th and Sun (conjunct Ketu) in 3rd (Pisces).

Interesting is the conjunction of JU/VE in 4th house; this house is

said to govern graves/graveside and, as we know, both his death by

crucifixion (3rd house) and resurrection from grave (4th house) are

the basic tenets of Christianity. Note also the exchange between

9th/2nd lord in light of his teaching (preaching). According to this

chart, he could have been in dasa of RA-SU-JU at time of

death/resurrection. I don't know how accurate GJ is at calculating

BC charts...perhaps (time permitting) you might like to try on your

software and see what you come up with.

 

Of course all this is mere speculation as no one really knows when

he was born and I have my doubts if GJ has even calculated this

correctly; but look also, in this chart, at the indications of

enlightenment:

 

*Moksha lord Sun conjunct Ketu.

*12th moksha lord Jupiter (dispositor of Ketu) in 4th (moksha

house).

*Jupiter and Venus both in nakshatra of Ketu.

* Moon, Saturn and Rahu are all in nakshatra of 8th lord Sun.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, November 07, 2008 3:48 AM

Re: Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy

 

I will send you the parashara's light file now to your personal email.

Please not that Makara did not rise (according to the software) till

2:30 am on the 1st of March 7BC

 

Can you give any information why you chose this date?

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear Vic,

 

Here is the information given by Rev.Don Jacobs (Moby Dick).

 

http://sos.netonecom.net/webpub/Jayj/jesus.htm

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 AM

Re: Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

Thank you for that. Now I just have to figure out how to open it in PL?

 

As for how I arrived at that date, it was a long time ago and is quite a

stretch for my memory. However I do remember some research done by a

(Christian) Minister that led me initially in a certain direction. I

think his name was something like Moby...similar to that. I'd have to do

a search.

 

I do remember the chart definitely had Capricorn rising with Sun in 3rd.

Below is a post (in part) from the archives (6 Dec 2005)

________

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:56 PM

Re: Re: Wendy ji - Rahu's Advocate

 

///snip///

 

At the risk of being controversial, I do have to question B.V.

Raman's data for chart #4 (Jesus Christ). Theologians agree that Dec

25th is not actually Christ's birthday...just as the day we

celebrate the Queen's birthday (for instance) is not actually her

birthday. I also cannot find any strong evidence in that chart that

supports the life or (importantly) the death of Christ. One clue I

feel is worth looking at is Parashara's statement in Ch.44:

 

25-31. THIRD HOUSE AND DEATH:

O excellent of Brahmins, if the Sun, being with strength, is in the

3rd house from the ascendant, one will obtain his death due to a

king (or legal punishments).

 

You might like to look at the chart for Mar 1 0007 (01:21) which,

according to Goravani Jyotish gives Capricorn rising with lagnesh

Sani (conjunct Rahu) in 9th and Sun (conjunct Ketu) in 3rd (Pisces).

Interesting is the conjunction of JU/VE in 4th house; this house is

said to govern graves/graveside and, as we know, both his death by

crucifixion (3rd house) and resurrection from grave (4th house) are

the basic tenets of Christianity. Note also the exchange between

9th/2nd lord in light of his teaching (preaching). According to this

chart, he could have been in dasa of RA-SU-JU at time of

death/resurrection. I don't know how accurate GJ is at calculating

BC charts...perhaps (time permitting) you might like to try on your

software and see what you come up with.

 

Of course all this is mere speculation as no one really knows when

he was born and I have my doubts if GJ has even calculated this

correctly; but look also, in this chart, at the indications of

enlightenment:

 

*Moksha lord Sun conjunct Ketu.

*12th moksha lord Jupiter (dispositor of Ketu) in 4th (moksha

house).

*Jupiter and Venus both in nakshatra of Ketu.

* Moon, Saturn and Rahu are all in nakshatra of 8th lord Sun.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Save the attachment somewhere, like your desktop. Then in PL just go

to the File Menu, Open, and go to the desktop in that dialog, and

double click the file you saved from the email attachment. That should

open it.

 

And I agree, I found it EXTREMELY odd that Raman did 12.25... in fact

I found it incredibly reassuring that even such an eminent personality

as he could be so fallible.

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> Thank you for that. Now I just have to figure out how to open it in

> PL?

>

> As for how I arrived at that date, it was a long time ago and is

> quite a

> stretch for my memory. However I do remember some research done by a

> (Christian) Minister that led me initially in a certain direction. I

> think his name was something like Moby...similar to that. I'd have

> to do

> a search.

>

> I do remember the chart definitely had Capricorn rising with Sun in

> 3rd.

> Below is a post (in part) from the archives (6 Dec 2005)

> ________

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:56 PM

> Re: Re: Wendy ji - Rahu's Advocate

>

> ///snip///

>

> At the risk of being controversial, I do have to question B.V.

> Raman's data for chart #4 (Jesus Christ). Theologians agree that Dec

> 25th is not actually Christ's birthday...just as the day we

> celebrate the Queen's birthday (for instance) is not actually her

> birthday. I also cannot find any strong evidence in that chart that

> supports the life or (importantly) the death of Christ. One clue I

> feel is worth looking at is Parashara's statement in Ch.44:

>

> 25-31. THIRD HOUSE AND DEATH:

> O excellent of Brahmins, if the Sun, being with strength, is in the

> 3rd house from the ascendant, one will obtain his death due to a

> king (or legal punishments).

>

> You might like to look at the chart for Mar 1 0007 (01:21) which,

> according to Goravani Jyotish gives Capricorn rising with lagnesh

> Sani (conjunct Rahu) in 9th and Sun (conjunct Ketu) in 3rd (Pisces).

> Interesting is the conjunction of JU/VE in 4th house; this house is

> said to govern graves/graveside and, as we know, both his death by

> crucifixion (3rd house) and resurrection from grave (4th house) are

> the basic tenets of Christianity. Note also the exchange between

> 9th/2nd lord in light of his teaching (preaching). According to this

> chart, he could have been in dasa of RA-SU-JU at time of

> death/resurrection. I don't know how accurate GJ is at calculating

> BC charts...perhaps (time permitting) you might like to try on your

> software and see what you come up with.

>

> Of course all this is mere speculation as no one really knows when

> he was born and I have my doubts if GJ has even calculated this

> correctly; but look also, in this chart, at the indications of

> enlightenment:

>

> *Moksha lord Sun conjunct Ketu.

> *12th moksha lord Jupiter (dispositor of Ketu) in 4th (moksha

> house).

> *Jupiter and Venus both in nakshatra of Ketu.

> * Moon, Saturn and Rahu are all in nakshatra of 8th lord Sun.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

>

> -

> " Vic D " <vicdicara

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, November 07, 2008 3:48 AM

> Re: Re: Jesus Christ

>

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy

>

> I will send you the parashara's light file now to your personal email.

> Please not that Makara did not rise (according to the software) till

> 2:30 am on the 1st of March 7BC

>

> Can you give any information why you chose this date?

>

> ~ Vic DiCara

>

> www.vicdicara.com

> www.vedicastrologer.net

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Thanks so much!

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> Dear Vic,

>

> Here is the information given by Rev.Don Jacobs (Moby Dick).

>

> http://sos.netonecom.net/webpub/Jayj/jesus.htm

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 AM

> Re: Re: Jesus Christ

>

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> Thank you for that. Now I just have to figure out how to open it in

> PL?

>

> As for how I arrived at that date, it was a long time ago and is

> quite a

> stretch for my memory. However I do remember some research done by a

> (Christian) Minister that led me initially in a certain direction. I

> think his name was something like Moby...similar to that. I'd have

> to do

> a search.

>

> I do remember the chart definitely had Capricorn rising with Sun in

> 3rd.

> Below is a post (in part) from the archives (6 Dec 2005)

> ________

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:56 PM

> Re: Re: Wendy ji - Rahu's Advocate

>

> ///snip///

>

> At the risk of being controversial, I do have to question B.V.

> Raman's data for chart #4 (Jesus Christ). Theologians agree that Dec

> 25th is not actually Christ's birthday...just as the day we

> celebrate the Queen's birthday (for instance) is not actually her

> birthday. I also cannot find any strong evidence in that chart that

> supports the life or (importantly) the death of Christ. One clue I

> feel is worth looking at is Parashara's statement in Ch.44:

>

> 25-31. THIRD HOUSE AND DEATH:

> O excellent of Brahmins, if the Sun, being with strength, is in the

> 3rd house from the ascendant, one will obtain his death due to a

> king (or legal punishments).

>

> You might like to look at the chart for Mar 1 0007 (01:21) which,

> according to Goravani Jyotish gives Capricorn rising with lagnesh

> Sani (conjunct Rahu) in 9th and Sun (conjunct Ketu) in 3rd (Pisces).

> Interesting is the conjunction of JU/VE in 4th house; this house is

> said to govern graves/graveside and, as we know, both his death by

> crucifixion (3rd house) and resurrection from grave (4th house) are

> the basic tenets of Christianity. Note also the exchange between

> 9th/2nd lord in light of his teaching (preaching). According to this

> chart, he could have been in dasa of RA-SU-JU at time of

> death/resurrection. I don't know how accurate GJ is at calculating

> BC charts...perhaps (time permitting) you might like to try on your

> software and see what you come up with.

>

> Of course all this is mere speculation as no one really knows when

> he was born and I have my doubts if GJ has even calculated this

> correctly; but look also, in this chart, at the indications of

> enlightenment:

>

> *Moksha lord Sun conjunct Ketu.

> *12th moksha lord Jupiter (dispositor of Ketu) in 4th (moksha

> house).

> *Jupiter and Venus both in nakshatra of Ketu.

> * Moon, Saturn and Rahu are all in nakshatra of 8th lord Sun.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Thank you Vic,

 

I did manage to open it, but, believe it or not, it came up as Mrs.

Wendy's Jesus Christ 7 Nov 2008 12:39:02 Bethlehem-Waldheim, Israel

??????

 

I've written to the staff at PL (customer service) to try to resolve this

problem. In the meantime I'm going to reinstall GJ (Goravani Jyotish).

 

///And I agree, I found it EXTREMELY odd that Raman did 12.25... in fact

I found it incredibly reassuring that even such an eminent personality

as he could be so fallible.///

 

Hope I don't stand on any toes here but I've read (somewhere) K.N. Rao

saying that B.V. Raman was often fallible...

 

....as we all are, no doubt!

 

PS: I eventually came across the Moby Dick chart (only) after I'd spent a

lot of time researching the date myself. This chart impressed me due to

it's confirmation of my own train of thought. Then after examining the

chart it began to be more and more of a possibility. Of course we can

never be 100% certain.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, November 07, 2008 11:17 AM

Re: Re: Jesus Christ

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Save the attachment somewhere, like your desktop. Then in PL just go

to the File Menu, Open, and go to the desktop in that dialog, and

double click the file you saved from the email attachment. That should

open it.

 

And I agree, I found it EXTREMELY odd that Raman did 12.25... in fact

I found it incredibly reassuring that even such an eminent personality

as he could be so fallible.

 

~ Vic DiCara

 

www.vicdicara.com

www.vedicastrologer.net

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Dear List,

 

///And I agree, I found it EXTREMELY odd that Raman did 12.25... in

fact> I found it incredibly reassuring that even such an eminent

personality> as he could be so fallible.///

 

> > Hope I don't stand on any toes here but I've read (somewhere)

K.N. Rao saying that B.V. Raman was often fallible...

....as we all are, no doubt!..>>

 

Just to add a line over here, Sh. K.N. Rao, is of the opinion that

birth data used in his book entitled Notable Horoscopes, by Dr. B.V.

Raman, in regard to certain personalities are wrong. Further, he was

always critical of Dr. B.V. Raman's, Ayanamsha is not a correct one,

hence the Ascendant of the Natal Chart and divisional charts go wrong

with Chitra Paksha Ayanmsha and beginners should bear this in mind.

 

>>>PS: I eventually came across the Moby Dick chart (only) after I'd

spent a lot of time researching the date myself. This chart impressed

me due to it's confirmation of my own train of thought. Then after

examining the chart it began to be more and more of a possibility. Of

course we can never be 100% certain.>>>

 

This is absolutely true. One should do lot of homework before

pronouncing the results on any chart (famous personalities, there is

always a chance the data may be incorrect).

 

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

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